March 15, 2005

In the category of things that slip you by, the UK EA last month announced a new basis of faith. Things could get interesting around September time when this becomes active- it seems to me some of these items have been sharpened- I wonder how many people will struggle to affirm 3, 6, and for that matter 11.

It seems strange that the EA have moved quickly to remove mention of the old basis of faith from their website- perhaps to avoid the kind of point by point analysis I am going to attempt here.

Fortunately, I found a website with an old copy of the EA’s basis of faith on it. I know this will be hard for some to understand, but the family of churches I am part of doesnt actually have a statement of faith of its own, prefering to maintain its amazing degree of doctrinal consistency by relationships. Thus, for many of our churches including York City Church who’s website had a copy of the old one, the EA’s statement of faith is the nearest we come to a statement of faith to define our doctrine. Thus, its probably a good idea for us more than anyone to note any differences in what the EA basis of faith actually says.

I assume that at some point all member organisations (and individuals?) will be asked if they are still happy to affirm the new statement- I suppose that may happen after Sept 2005.

New Statement of Faith
We believe in…

1. The one true God who lives eternally in three persons the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

2. The love, grace and sovereignty of God in creating, sustaining, ruling, redeeming and judging the world.

3. The divine inspiration and supreme authority of the Old and New Testament Scriptures, which are the written Word of God fully trustworthy for faith and conduct.

4. The dignity of all people, made male and female in God’s image to love, be holy and care for creation, yet corrupted by sin, which incurs divine wrath and judgement.

5. The incarnation of God’s eternal Son, the Lord Jesus Christ born of the virgin Mary, truly divine and truly human, yet without sin.

6. The atoning sacrifice of Christ on the cross: dying in our place, paying the price of sin and defeating evil, so reconciling us with God.

7. The bodily resurrection of Christ, the firstfruit of our resurrection; his ascension to the Father, and his reign and mediation as the only Saviour of the world.

8. The justification of sinners solely by the grace of God through faith in Christ.

9. The ministry of God the Holy Spirit, who leads us to repentance, unites us with Christ through new birth, empowers our discipleship and enables our witness.

10. The Church, the body of Christ both local and universal, the priesthood of all believers given life by the Spirit and endowed with the Spirit’s gifts to worship God and proclaim the gospel, promoting justice and love.

11. The personal and visible return of Jesus Christ to fulfil the purposes of God, who will raise all people to judgement, bring eternal life to the redeemed and eternal condemnation to the lost, and establish a new heaven and new earth.

Old Statement of Faith
Evangelical Christians accept the revelation of the triune God given in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments and confess the historic faith of the Gospel therein set forth. They here assert doctrines which they regard as crucial to the understanding of the faith, and which should issue in mutual love, practical Christian service and evangelical concern.

* The sovereignty and grace of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit in creation, providence, revelation, redemption and final judgement.
* The divine inspiration of the Holy Scripture and its consequent entire trustworthiness and supreme authority in all matters of faith and conduct.
* The universal sinfulness and guilt of fallen man, making him subject to God’s wrath and condemnation.
* The substitutionary sacrifice of the incarnate Son of God as the sole all-sufficient ground of redemption from the guilt and power of sin, and from its eternal consequences.
* The justification of the sinner solely by the grace of God through faith in Christ crucified and risen from the dead.
* The illuminating, regenerating, indwelling and sanctifying work of God the Holy Spirit.
* The priesthood of all believers, who form the universal Church, the Body of which Christ is the Head and which is committed by His command to the proclamation of the Gospel throughout the world.
* The expectation of the personal, visible return of the Lord Jesus Christ in power and glory.

So comparing the two statements point by point, using the new statements numbering system, what are the main differences and do they matter?

1. The word “triune” has been dropped in favour of a description of doctrine that few would be able to deny amounted to the trinity. Since some would have a problem with the word “trinity” but still believe in a three-in-one God, this difference seems minor. I certainly dont think its worth getting excited for. To make the statement more accessible to someone looking at Christianity without the benefit of knowledge of theological words this change may well be sensible.

2. By making love explicit the statement is more true to the Bible which states “God is love”. We are wrong to assume that everyone understands this, so it is good to add this statment. Removing the concept of providence and revelation seems to loose something in my view which is not fully captured in the notion of sustain. Maybe this is a concession to Arminians (many of whom I would of course recognise as genuine evangelicals) but for me Gods sovereignty over the nations is more than a mere sustaining. History is HIS-STORY which he ordains and over-rules. It concerns me slightly that this new statement of faith would initially appear to leave open the option of Open Theism, although to be fair in my mind at its most extreme that would exclude the notion of a sovereign God.

3. The supremacy of the Scripture- now theres a welcome addition that is sure to rile some of our “emergent” friends. I couldnt agree more. Much as I believe in the personal relationship with God, it is vital that we have a source of authority to appeal to- not the church, not my hunch, not a pope-like figure, but the Bible. I believe this language strengthens the view of scripture compared to the old one.

4. I like this rewording, as it emphasises that man remains made in God’s image, without denying the doctrine of the depravity of man.

5. It seems strange that the old statement did not talk of the incarnation of Jesus, and again this statement appears clear and concise.

6. I am not sure on reflection who wins on this one- “in my place” would to me mean “substitutionary” but I wonder what those who deny penal substitution make of this. Wheres Richard and Sven when you need them?

7. Making the statement about resurrection explicitly bodily and adding the fact Jesus is the only saviour of the world is a good step also.

8. The change here seems insignificant

9. Although a new expression is unlikely to be controversial

10. I am thrilled at the mention of the local church, which needs to be reinforced as a vital part of Christian doctrine. I am surprised by the mention here of gifts of the Spirit, and here wonder what some of our less charismatic brothers might make of this statemement. I do hope it wouldnt define jollyblogger as a non-evangelical!

11. Talking of defining great men as non-evangelical didnt Stott at one point have a problem affirming this last point?

Finally, At first glance it seems that concepts like “mut

ual love, Christian service and evangelical concern have been lost”, in fact these now sit in a mission statement that is also available online.

What are we to conclude in all this? This new basis of faith is definitely an attempt to make the doctrines of the church more understandable to modern man, which is a good motivation. All in all, I welcome this new statement and have no qualms in affirming my personal allegiance to it as a clear and simple statement of what I believe. I am eager to see what some of my readers and commentators think.

Having said that, the devil is always in the detail and I sincerely doubt the value of any document like this in protecting doctrinal unity. It will only be in discussion of each of these points and there implications that someones true doctrinal stand becomes clear. Thus clarification of doctrine can be done to some degree in writing, but I am increasingly convinced is best done through personal relationships.

February 10, 2005

It seems its tell your story time, as well as Jollyblogger and I Rebecca Writes, 21st Century Reformation, Word and Spirit and La Shawn Barber are all at it- why don’t you do the same?

August 25, 2004

HAve had a lot of fun exploring Evangelical Outpost’s list of Bloggers he tips for the big time. I wondered what they had in common, and I discovered that all except four of them shared the good taste (Ed- you are being too modest!) not to link to my own blog. The fact that all of them link to Evangelical Outpost is probably a give-away as to how he found some of them. The easiest and often most fruitful way of finding a blog that you like is to look in your referrers and to see who has sent readers to you. My guess is that is exactly what Joe Carter did and good on him for doing so. I really must do more of this myself. For now, if you link to me do feel free to drop me a line about it and I will check your own blog out.

So what of the four that link to me? Rusty Lopez , Jeremy Pierce, and David Wayne are three most excellent openly Evangelical Bloggers. I am familiar with all of them, and would single out David for special praise- he will overtake me in the ecosystem rankings very soon I am sure- and I will rejoice! Gideon Strauss describes himself as a neocalvinist and from his explanations I am no wiser as to what that is. If he reads this, I think it would be great to engage further on this.

So everyone else hadnt linked to me, which means if they are going to be big league bloggers in the future, I will not be getting hits from them! There are some good blogs here-

OMF Serge tends to blog very intelligently about science and religion

John Coleman brogs on a broad range of subjects and appears to be evangelical

Nick Troester describes himself as a Christian…third way Democrat- no I don’t believe thats a contradiction in terms, honest!

David Koyzis is a political lecturer complete with bow tie and describes himself as a Byzantine-Rite Calvinist, which to me sounds almost as much of a potential contradiction as the ‘reformed charismatic’ label I sometimes use.

Bill Wallo caught my eye with his post arguing that any reparations for American slavery should only be paid by corporations with a history of profit from slavery.

Donald Crankshaw caught my eye with a post on the purpose of science.

Macht turned out to be another scientist

And finally, the boys from Lean Left seemed to me to be doing a better job of promoting Kerry than what I have seen of the official campaign.

May 19, 2004

Mr. Standfast has joined the latest game on the internet, lets see who can compliment Adrian the best! Being in the same sentance as the jollyblogger is almost as good as being in the same sentance as Wayne Grudem. Perhaps I should score the ego-enhancing properties of each of these compliments, and run over to vessel of honour for a quick blog beating to keep me humble!

“Just a quick note this morning to point my readers toward a conversation that’s been going between two of the finest bloggers out there, Adrian Warnock and Jollyblogger. This refreshingly polite debate is over the issue of spiritual manifestations or charismatic gifts on the one hand, and what has been perhaps misleadingly called cessationism on the other.”

May 18, 2004

Jollyblogger has done something I never thought I would see- He has put my name and Wayne Grudem’s in the same sentance!

“People like Adrian and Bob at Mister Standfast, and Wayne Grudem are examples of the maturity of the modern charismatic movement.”

If this sentance is true it is true because of my exposure to teaching from so many great men of God, some of whom he mentions in his post, which is well worth a read. I will respond more fully to the content of his cessationist post at a later point.

May 11, 2004

Jollyblogger has replied to my post with another on the will of God: Towards the end of an interesting and long post which also does a great job of listing other material on blogs on the subject he states

“That’s a long winded response and story. My guess is that Adrian and I are extremely close on this. I think the crux of the matter is ‘what place does the subjective play in discerning the will of God?’ We both agree that it plays a role, any differences we have is probably over degree.

I would just encourage Christians to relax a little in this matter. “

I find that quote and the whole subject interesting. I have certainly come accross Christians (who I might call ‘extreme cessationists’) who completely deny the role that an impression can take in hearing from God. I remember a book which I always thought had a rather arrogant title ‘The Last word on guidance’ which tried to argue this way. If the gifts of the Spirit stopped at the completion of the bible some would say that anything that could conceivably be called ‘prophecy’ is out of line.

Jollyblogger gives a good example of a view that I believe was fairly widespread before the charismatic movement with its unfortunate excesses led to a over-reaction and hardenning of those who might be called ceassationist.

There are many examples of events which would have met the descriptions given by charismatics of words of knowledge or prophecy that have happened to those who would not have called themselves charismatic.

I guess probably one of the strongest examples of this has to be the prophecy given to the young Spurgeon as a boy which set the course of his ministry. I will quote extensively from his autobiography-

Then, in the presence of them all, Mr. Knill took me on his knee, and said, “This child will one day preach the gospel, and he will preach it to great multitudes. I am persuaded that he will preach in the chapel of Rowland Hill, where (I think he said) I am now the minister. He spoke very solemnly, and called upon all present to witness what he said. Then he gave me sixpence as a reward if I would learn the hymn, ”

God moves in a mysterious way

His wonders to perform.

I was made to promise that, when I preached in Rowland Hill’s Chapel, that hymn should be sung. Think of that as a promise from a child! Would it ever be other than an idle dream? Years flew by. After I had begun for some little time to preach in London, Dr. Alexander Fletcher was engaged to deliver the annual sermon to children in Surrey Chapel; but as he was

taken ill, I was asked in a hurry to preach to the children in his stead.

Yes, I replied, “I will, if you will allow the children to sing, “God moves in a mysterious way. I have made a promise, long ago, that so that hymn should be sung. And so it was: I preached in Rowland Hill’s Chapel, and the hymn was sung. My emotions on that occasion I cannot describe, for the word of the Lord’s servant was fulfilled. Still, I fancy that Surrey was not the chapel which Mr. Knill intended. How was I to go to the country

chapel? All unsought by me, the minister at Wotton-under-Edge, which was Mr. Hill’s summer residence, invited me to preach there. I went on the condition that the congregation should sing, “God moves in a mysterious way, which was also done.

To me it was a very wonderful thing, and I no more understood at that time how it came to pass than I understand today why the Lord should be so gracious to me. Did the words of Mr. Knill help to bring about their own fulfillment? I think so. I believed them, and looked forward to the time when I should preach the Word: I felt very powerfully that no unconverted person might dare to enter the ministry; this made me, I doubt not, all the more intent upon seeking salvation, and more hopeful of it, and when by grace enabled to cast myself upon the

Savior’s love, it was not long before my mouth began to speak of His redemption. How came that sober-minded minister to speak thus of one into whose future God alone could see? How came it that he lived to rejoice with his young brother in the truth of all that he had spoken? We think we know the answer; but each reader has a right to his own: so let it

rest.

Just how significant this event was is demonstrated by what happened when the young preacher renewed his aquaintance with Mr Knill

After that, I went to preach for Mr. Knill himself, who was then at Chester.

What a meeting we had! He was preaching in the theater, and consequently I had to take his place at the footlights. His preaching in a theater took away from me all fear about preaching in buildings of doubtful use, and set me free for the campaigns in Exeter Hall and the Surrey Music Hall. How much this had to do with other theater services many know.

November 26, 2003


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