Why We Are Losing So Many Churches In The United States?

Why We Are Losing So Many Churches In The United States? October 26, 2013

What are some of the reasons that churches in the U.S. are losing members?  What can be done to stop this bleeding?  How can you help?

There is less than half of the number of churches today than there were only 100 years ago

The Decline of the American Church

You might not be surprised that Brazil is the number one receiving nation of foreign missionaries in the world but you might be surprised about who is the 2nd most missionary receiving nation in the world.  It is the U.S.   Why?  In a recent sermon, Pastor James McDonald from Walking in the Word Ministries revealed these shocking numbers about Christianity in America:

Of the 250,000 Protestant churches in America, 200,000 are either stagnant (with no growth) or declining. That is 80% of the churches in America and maybe the one you attend, if you attend at all.

4,000 churches close their doors every single year.

There is less than half of the number of churches today than there were only 100 years ago.

3,500 people leave the church every single day.

Since 1950, there are 1/3rd fewer churches in the U.S.

As I mentioned, the U.S. is the number two receiving nation of foreign missionaries and perhaps now you can see why.  Churches in America are declining and may be following the trend that has been occurring in Europe.  Why?  What can be done about this?  What is the root cause of why so many churches in the U.S. are disappearing?  Seeker Sensitive Churches

I believe part of the reason that the church is declining in America is that expository preaching is no longer the rule but the exception. Too many churches are seeker sensitive that try to appeal to the masses to make them solve their everyday problems or try to make their lives happier.  This is not the gospel for Christ Himself said that the road is hard and that we will all have to take up our cross and bear it (Luke 9:23). The gospel has been compromised and has been changed from a repentance, confession, and trust in Christ gospel to a feel good, real good, health, wealth, and prosperity gospel.  This is not the gospel that Christ or Paul preached but another gospel (2 Cor 11:4).

A Works Based Religion

Another reason is that some churches teach a work-based gospel that robs God of glory.  Paul rebuked the Galatian church for this very reason writing

“O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.  Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh” (Gal 3:1-3)?

Some churches are critical of other churches who do not keep the Sabbath or who allow members who smoke or drink when the most critical issues of repentance and faith are ignored.  Instead they teach that a person is not a Christian if they do certain things or don’t do other things.  I often tell other Christians who believe this that we have a section of town where no one smokes, no one drinks, no one dances, no one works on the Sabbath and not even one there plays cards.  We call it the cemetery.  If a person is saved by works then Christ died for nothing (Gal 2:21)!

Revival Starts With The Believer

The church in America is in desperate need of revival but where does revival start? Revival is not an appeal to those outside of the church.  We can’t pitch a tent and put up a sign saying “Revival Tonight.”  Revival is not for the lost for if you are still dead in your sins then you cannot be revived.  Here is the only place that revival can begin. If you are standing in the sand, draw a circle around yourself.  Inside of that circle is where revival must first begin. In the same message about the decline of American churches James McDonald gave some diagnostic questions that reveal whether a believer needs personal revival or not.  I have added some of my own.

When I hear the Lord’s name taken in vain and used as a curse word and am not moved to righteous indignation, then I need revival.

When striving for personal holiness ceases to dominate your thinking then personal revival is need.

When you do not attend corporate worship regularly with the church Jesus built or have no desire to be with the redeemed in the Body of Christ, the church, then you are in dire need of revival.

When I sin and know that it is sin and fail to repent immediately, then I need revival on the spot!

When I don’t rejoice in the success of others but instead are secretly or inwardly jealous or envious, then I need reviving by the Spirit of God.

Where there is no hunger for hearing the Word of God or for reading the Bible then I need revival.

When biblical truth is ignored or we rationalize our sin against what the Word of God says, then that person needs revival.

When the eternal fate of those in our family, our co-workers, our friends or even strangers fails to move us to share the gospel, then we need personal revival.

When my prayer life ceases to be an everyday necessity then I am really saying to God by my silence, “God, I am good to go…I don’t need your intervention in my life today.”  That is a critical sign that you are in need of reviving.

When I am able to watch degrading movies filled with violence and profane language or I can read publications with the same things then I need to have revival.

If I find more joy in discord or disunity than in unity in the church, workplace or the family, then I am not in tune with the Holy Spirit and need reviving.

When I see an injustice or suffering and fail to be moved by it, then my heart is hardened and I desperately need revival.

What do you believe reveals the need for revival in yourself or in others?  Is there something that you can add to this list?

Revival in the Church

If revival is to take place in this nation or any nation, then revival must begin with the individual believer.  Revival starts within each one of us.  Then it spreads to other believers in the church.  Then the church which is revived can impact the proximate community around it.  That revival can then spread from that neighborhood into the district of that town or city.  Only then can this revival begin to impact the entire town or city.  The revival of this city initiated by born-again believers can start to spread outward to other cities and affect the state.  States can impact neighboring states and states impact the nation.  Only then can that nation impact those bordering nations…and those bordering nations can affect the nations around the world.  Revival will never come until it first comes to believers.

Conclusion

You can help bring revival to America but it must start with you and with me but we cannot have revival until revival has us.  We cannot revive what is not first alive.  If you are not born again then you are dead in your sins.  The greatest revival in human history began with one man.  Jonah, the reluctant prophet brought salvation to Nineveh.  Nineveh was the arch-enemy of Israel and Jonah hated the idea of having them be saved but God told Jonah “And should not I pity Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also much cattle” (Jonah 4:11)?  Who doesn’t know their left hand from their right?  They are those who are under the age of accountability and are very young children, babies, infants and toddlers.  So if there were over one hundred thousand young children in Nineveh, then there must have been over one million souls in that city-state.  Nineveh did repent and more than a million people were saved.  Does that excite you?  If not, then you need revival.

Only God can bring revival.  We can fall on our face and repent of our spiritual laziness which I have had to do.  We can pray that God sends revival to us and then pray for those around us and that God will bring revival to our church, to our city, to our state, to our nation and to the world so that millions might be saved.  This is the will of God.  He doesn’t take pleasure in or desire that any perish.  Is that your wish too?  Then pray for God to revive you so that others might be saved and bring glory to God because bringing glory to God is what it’s all about.

Jack Wellman is Senior Writer at What Christians Want to Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Blind Chance or Intelligent Design

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  • Correlation is not causation; and it’s not clear that there’s even correlation rather than mere contemporaneity. Are the declines concentrated in those with those where expository preaching is comparatively more rule, or concentrated where it is more the exception? Is the decrease in expository preaching a result of that means being less effective than in the past at keeping the sheep within the fold, or even simply less prevalent because churches relying on it too have shrunk in size to being too small to notice?

    For that matter, is there any measurable decline?

  • Jonas Aagbjargensson

    Because we see what a bunch of stupid, unloving hypocrites you all really are under your veneer of phony handshakes and lardy potlucks with your jiggling fat bellies, that you have no divine authority or respect for life (but instead preach hate and eternal torment of billions of innocent people), and that what you preach could not possibly be the religion that Jesus preached. Give up everything you have and give it to the poor. What…you mean…you…don’t do that? Then I guess you don’t practice what Christ preached. I am a millennial and I speak for my generation. And trust me…you won’t get us back…

    • Ozzie Glea

      Jonas,

      I can appreciate and respect your thoughts , reasons, and conclusions based on your experience. I would first of all say that everyone is not called to give up all the have in a literal sense, abandoning all and walk the land as Christ. No, some may be “moved” to do that, but if everyone did that I would any of us survive in the natural setting we call earth.

      The Bible’s main purpose is to transform one’s thinking beyond just themselves and what they want, but to in a holistic effort love, respect, and cherish the life of all people, regardless of their lifestyle, religion, race or gender.

      I do agree with you that church is full of hypocrites, but so is any and every other organization in the world, surely you must recognize and know that.

      I trust that your heart and mind will be changed, not because I want it to, not because God is making you to, but because you will see and respond to the need to.

      • LaDiablaBlanca

        There is no god. And we will be okay with that. Probably better off.

        • 12grace

          Read the Bible and pray to G-d and you will see that you are loved and have been wrong. There is a G-d.

          • The OT does not tell us God loves us, and the NT tells us that God hates us

          • 12grace

            You obviously have not read the entire Bible, Baf.

            Please open your mind and heart and ask the G-d of the Bible to teach you who HE is…

            Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

            -Matthew 7:7

            Our discussion has concluded, Baf.

          • Seems you only want to read the parts and interpretations you like

          • Seems you only want to read the parts and interpretations you like

          • Boreal

            BS There is no god. Utter nonsense. Blocked for stupidity.

          • 12grace

            I am sorry for you, Oikos, there is a G-d and I pray that one day you will find out what you have been missing.

            Our discussion has concluded.

        • DKAR Hightech

          Psalm 53:1
          ‘The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.”
          The air you breath every second is God given to you FREE, He made the sun and rain for produces grown and foods you eat everyday. If you are in the hospital, the oxygen tank they are put in your nose for you to breath is not Free, sorry.
          How long you are living, then how long God was given to you Free air.Think and you will be thankful for His grace if no sun and no air and there is no you or no living on earth. God bless you.

          • The air we breath is a gift of photosynthesis, for the first 2.5 billion years there was virtually no free oxygen in the Earth’s atmosphere .

            the Earth itself accreted out of the protostellar cloud , and that material was spewed out of stars as they blew up over many generations

            the Fool on the hill sees the sun going down but the eyes in his head see the world spinning round

          • OhioBrian

            In most every religion, being that they are all cultish “Malware of the Mind” viral memes, inherent to the faithful is always that apostasy must be the greatest sin.

            And yet the recursive rationale trying to back such beliefs always is logical fallacy, ex: “The Bible says you must believe in the Bible!” “The ‘Gospel Truth’ is called upon to ‘prove’ the ‘truth’ of the Gospels.” And the Christian quotes scriptures to people who don’t accept the validity of scripture.

      • cleos_mom

        Historically, quite a few people have been “cherished” to a horrible death via the Bible’s followers. And you didn’t even include sexual orientation at that.

      • The Bible’s main purpose is to tell a story, most of which is about the Jews with a paganized cargo cult messiah add on, thanks to the Christians.

        • SJ
        • 12grace

          The bible’s purpose is help people to know that G-d loves them. And he seeks a relationship with them. It is also a guide book for how to live your life.

          • The OT syas God made us and then killed most people in a great flood., and the NT is silly too

          • The Bible is propaganda and is political in nature

      • Dark Star

        LOL, you guys are having a rough time these days. But bravo to this site for leaving up the dissenting opinions. Clear and open communication is important, even if it’s not always pretty.

        I’m curious to know where in the Bible you find justification for making this exception. Jesus seems VERY clear on the likelihood of the wealthy getting into Heaven but you seem to know better. I don’t recall any “unless you just aren’t feeling it” clause.

        My issue lies not with hypocrites (ye shall know them by their fruits) but with the words of the Bible itself.

        God very clearly ordains slavery. Many try to excuse this as indentured servitude but it CLEARLY states indentured servitude is only for their fellow Israelites, NOT those slaves taken from those around you who are your property and can be passed to your children:

        Leviticus 25:46 And by right of inheritance shall leave them to your posterity, and shall possess them for ever. But oppress not your brethren the children of Israel by might.

        This is also the kind of slavery where it is considered acceptable to beat another human being, as we are reminded:

        Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

        Slavery is categorically immoral and while I accept it was the MORAL STANDARD OF THE TIME God’s law isn’t supposed to bow to the standards of the time – it would be eternal or it isn’t very God-like. Even I reject moral relativism (although I don’t accept there are any moral absolutes either, neither extreme makes sense — we are biological beings with imperfect brains).

        So either you accept that this kind of Slavery where a person can never go free and you can beat them (so long as they don’t die within a day or two) is MORAL — or you wallow in self-imposed ignorance — or you reject the Bible as any kind of authority. The middle path seems the most popular these days.

        God also commands the genocide of the Amalekites and the 7 Nations. 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'”

        God also commits infanticide by murdering all the first born of Egypt and mass murder in the flood story. Religious indoctrination may have utterly destroyed your own sense of morality but mine is intact and commanding the mass murder of suckling infants is categorically immoral.

        These are the actions of petulant monster.

        These are the reasons I could no longer believe in the divinity of the Bible. These Mountain-sized holes in the story are just impassible.

        If you insist on continuing your belief I would at least urge you to follow the parts you don’t like, such as Matthew 25:31-46 excerpt:

        35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

        37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

        40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

        When you put aside your pettiness and truly take care of the weak, the downtrodden, the stranger (and do it without demanding access to sell your religion in exchange as most ‘missions’ do) then you’ll earn my respect.

        When religious groups try to deny women or gay people rights, when you close your doors to refugees seeking shelter, when you value guns over the lives of children, when you would murder a person in captivity (death penalty), then you earn my enmity.

        • 12grace

          What if any religion do you follow?

          • Dark Star

            I do not follow any religion.

        • I go by science and preservation of life so that we may live.

          Promotion of diseases and seeing young men go blind from second and third stage syphilis along with having 12% with AIDS and just about every sexually transmitted disease is not a good thing for life. Gay men have 1700% MORE anal and bowel cancer. There is nothing good about this form of “sex”.

          If you had any compassion for Gay men, you would educate them on the extreme dangers of that life style. Those with compassion try to help them out of that deadly lifestyle. It is all a matter of medical evidence and compassion that I teach about this.

          And The Bible is clear that NO BODY who promotes or spreads diseases will be allowed in the new kingdom where no diseases will exist. So, I want them to live, and you don’t care if they live or die. Their sexual compulsions are more important than life itself.

    • I agree. Christendom is an utter failure and according to Jesus Prophesy it is to be destroyed right before the end of all evil on the earth.

      The earth remains forever, and only those who are UNABLE to cause disease, suffering and death will be allowed to live.

      2 Peter 3:13

      13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.

      The whore who fornicates with governments, kings and emperors, Chirstendom will be destroyed and all her lies made open for all to see.

      Revelation 17:5

      5 On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.”

    • 12grace

      Churches are “hospitals for the soul” you aren’t going to find perfect people that are carbon copies of Christ. Perhaps, you should stay at church and show them how to be better people.

      BTW: The Bible talks about love not hate.

      I encourage you to develop your own personal relationship with G-d.

      • Since jesus never existed and there were no carbon copies then, that’s a tall order

        • 12grace

          Bafoof,
          You are wrong about Jesus but you probably won’t find out the truth until you die. I’m sorry for you.

          • Framis Furblongkit

            After you Die and IF you have been a Bleever upon the Lord Roscoe, then your Soul gets taken up by the Herd of Hoogly Hamsters to the Second Kindom up in Heaven .

            A true Bleever shall inn no wise be cast out, check out the Jeez fer Joozis

          • that is part of the idiocy of Christianity [ and islam] threats of hell in the next life are supposed to keep the “believers” in line as the rulers reap the benefits of a very unequal society

            It simply is a scam

          • that is part of the idiocy of Christianity [ and islam] threats of hell in the next life are supposed to keep the “believers” in line as the rulers reap the benefits of a very unequal society

            It simply is a scam

      • Sharon37

        The Bible was written by people that said slavery was ok. Anyone with a soul knows that slavery goes against all of humanity. You are accepting the fact that little boys and girls can be raped, brutalized, beaten, slaughtered, tortured? Everything in Creation is part of the Creator but we CHOOSE what part of Creation we want to bring forth. Supporting such a book as the Bible means you are trading in your humanity to blindly follow a book written by one group of people at one point in time. Religion requires people to lose their common sense and rationality to blindly follow false doctrine. Young people are waking up. We are conscious of the Universe and the role we directly play in it. No middle man is needed.

        • 12grace

          Sharon,
          I could easily go over point by point with you, and prove you are wrong, However, I feel very confident that you don’t have the heart or mind to hear the truth. And, I’d be wasting my time.

          I’m not at all surprised by your assertions, Sharon. You clearly express the “typical” sentiments of the times in which we live. Ironically, it was detailed in G-d’s WORD centuries ago.

          The Bible says that in End Times, people would be the following: “For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,” -2 Timothy 3:2

          “Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold.” -Matthew 24:12

          “Slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful. They invent new forms of evil; they disobey their parents.” – Romans 1:30

          The best thing that I can do for you and those on this site that have
          bought into the devil’s lies about the Father and HIS precious Son,
          Jesus, is pray for you.

          Our discussion has concluded!

    • Jesus did not preach, Jesus is a rather
      stupid hoax

    • DKAR Hightech

      Proverd6:6 Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise!
      7 It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, 8 yet it stores its provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest.
      9 How long will you lie there, you sluggard? When will you get up from your sleep?
      10 A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest—
      11 and poverty will come on you like a thief and scarcity like an armed man.

      (We should work hard for our food, don’t we? We are created equal, 2 hands and 2 feet with a brain. Why someone are expecting others to feed you?)

      Judging Others (Mathew 7:1-6)
      1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
      2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
      3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. 6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

    • From reading your post, I see you have clear perception of false religions.

      http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/12/who-is-babylon-great-now.html

    • e the religion that Jesus preached is nonsense, Jesus is a hoax

    • e the religion that Jesus preached is nonsense, Jesus is a hoax

    • mandycat

      And this was written four years ago, long before Evangelicals turned out by the millions joyfully to vote for a lecherous, foul mouthed, amoral, irresponsible, unqualified, erratic creep like Donald Trump. So you can probably take this person’s sentiments and multiply them by five.

  • Ryan J

    Howdy from an ex-Christian Millennial. As usual, none of the reasons adduced in this article hit upon why the church is shrinking, and why my generation wants nothing to do with the Christian faith. Here are the core reasons: (1) the Bible isn’t true; (2) the Bible is chock-full of myopic, misanthropic nonsense (cf. Old Testament law)–the kind of nonsense which can be (and indeed was, during the Reformation and its aftermath) used to justify all manner of violence. Millennials often ascribe their lack of faith to the hypocrisy of Christians (see Jonas’s comments). But the real culprit in simpler: the preachments of the Bible just ain’t true. And as the disparity between the revelations of science and the intellectually stultifying dogmas of Scripture widens, the Bible only appears more and more untentable–more and more laughable.

    • tonhogg

      Yeah I agree. I looked at a lot of things about the bible and couldn’t believe the horrible immoral things it puts forth. It truly is a book that makes horrible awful stances on how to deal with people not obeying God. But it goes way beyond that. Parts added to books of the new testament long after it was written, and the horrible lack of evidence that there is even a supernatural force anywhere in the world.

      I think the church is dying because of the internet and it can’t hide it’s failings anymore behind of veil of “All is right with the bible”. Clearly these things are there in black and white and you can’t hide it anymore. This article got it wrong. I don’t believe because of the lack of “getting back to the basics”. I don’t believe anymore because it’s a book that is awful, you can’t read through the stupid thing because it makes no sense half the time, and it’s just overall a book with a really bad message. Hey someone is a witch or committed adultery, well hey, just have the church pick up rocks and throw them until the person is dead. WHAT!!!!

      • Clive Johnson

        I used to be a Christian as well. One of the reasons I’ve remained an ex-Christian is precisely because of the Bible, which I now regard as an abject testimony to human ignorance and primitiveness. There are other reasons.

        1. For a supposedly god-inspired book, it stacks up very poorly with philosophy and ethical thought. The Bible simply doesn’t have much to say, and what it does say it is often not with intelligence or much insight into the human condition.
        2. The Bible is objectively worthless as a guide to understanding the natural world. Science wins this one in a nanosecond.
        3. With very few exceptions, the Bible pales as literature compared with with many thousands of books of literature and poetry written before and since. One novel of Proust, for example, with its genius of observation, its brilliance of expression, its beautiful similes, is culturally worth more to humanity than the entire Bible. In my view, anyway.
        4. The Bible is silent on a huge range of questions facing humanity. What economic systems works best for people? How do we treat the environment? How do we make end-of-life decisions? What is the moral status of animals? How do we think about radically enhancing human capabilities through science? What is dark matter? Is there intelligence elsewhere in the universe? Should we contact it? There’s nothing the Bible says–NOTHING–that hasn’t been exceeded in depth of understanding by subsequent thought. The Bible is dead in this way.

        In every sphere of human activity we know more now than we did then. Why hold onto this ancient book as though it’s the master key to human wellbeing?

        • cleos_mom

          It’s a corner that at least two out of the three “Abrahamic” religions have painted themselves into.

          1500 to 2000 years ago, a religion claiming to have an historical basis was a radical concept and one that appealed to people in terms of rendering the other dimension more relevant to their lives and more personal to them.

          But now? Even 2 or 3 centuries back, reading the Bible as history wasn’t any huge contradiction even for the most educated people and that era is over. Not to mention the fact that all it takes to get an idea of how huge the Universe is would be to know what a light-year is. And difficult to believe in a god who created that universe but still insists on religious practices (i.e., sacrifices) common in the first century CE on a planet that’s only one among billions. The notion of an historical religion has gone from a state-of-the-art road to a dirt track with mud up to a SUV’s bumper.

          • Clive Johnson

            Well put.

          • 12grace

            Because you don’t understand the Bible doesn’t mean that it is not true.

        • So, you prefer this religion?

          “Evotards are perverts who perverts science into a political religion based on faith, and teachers are paid shills for the religion of Evodelusionism. Evodelusionism is the religion of atheists, politicians, whores, sex addicts, sex industry, academia (paid off by big business) socialists, liberals, criminals, perverts, pedophiles, sex trade, drug pushers, bankers, Monsanto, BP etc, and big pharma (just loves this religion), the medical industry, and all the polluters and don’t forget the Pope and Jimmy Swaggart. If I left your particular disease or greedy addiction off the list I apologize.”

          (Please help me to add to this list. I think I have covered all the Evotards but maybe I missed someone. )

          • Clive Johnson

            You suffer from extreme confirmation bias. This means that you embrace evidence that confirms your current views and reject that which does not.

            There’s no way to have a discussion with someone who doesn’t have the capacity for internal regulation of such obvious but unrecognized cognitive distortions.

            The idea that any social phenomenon can be directly attributed to evolution rests on the simplest and most easily avoidable failures in reasoning. It’s as though every other social phenomenon, belief, value, institution, practice, inheritance, etc., etc., has zero systemic influence on anything else. All social phenomena exist in their own islands, unconnected from everything else–that is, until the all-powerful pull of evolution distorts them into its perverted agenda.

            This is lunatic stuff. Seriously. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You haven’t thought anything through at even an elementary level. All you’ve done is identified what you believe to be your Ultimate Enemy, and then you go about taking an inventory of everything you don’t like that attributing it to this enemy. –A crude and juvenile move.

          • I am extremely intelligent compared to 99,968% of humans. I am a scientist over 45 years. Tested IQ over 200, and I am very successful in using pure science to its physical outcome of success. You see when one uses functional science things become clear.

            The ultimate enemy is low intelligent arrogant humans, with very little understanding of anything and they continue to destroy all life on earth out of ignorance. They are so lost that they actually believe they are “right” when what they do supports suffering and death on earth…

            Unless you have some degree of morals, you are worthless to yourself and to humanity.

            Absolute Morality:

            Good: That which supports the TRUTH, recognizes the TRUTH, and uses PHYSICAL evidence to support TRUTH. Good Supports all life on earth and the health of babies over all other ideas. Good is the love of life.

            Evil: That which supports continual disease, suffering and death. Evil is delusional deceptive and convinces people they are good, while they do atrocities and continue to increase suffering and death on earth. Evil supports emotional diseases and mental illnesses as good.

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2015/08/more-absolutely-irrefutable-evidence-of.html

          • Clive Johnson

            IQ has been found to have little correlation with rationality. Likely it has little to no correlation with creativity at least past 120, or so I’ve read. And, to state the obvious, IQ (or doing science for 45 or 200 years) doesn’t excuse one from the imperative of making sound arguments. You don’t get any points for either claim to authority.

            Low intelligence humans are problematic, but hardly more so than intelligent ones who perpetuate systems of all types that reproduce harm for both humans and non-human nature. If every stockbroker on Wall Street disappeared tomorrow the world would improve.

            I’m in agreement more or less with your good and evil categories. Regarding babies and children–our species certainly isn’t serious for the most part about optimizing their development. There’s a massive backlog of things that could improve life for children but are not done. And, few people are bothered by that.

          • I am also tested completely sane, (whatever that means). I haven no delusions, am able to deal with the most horrible stuff and not blank out as most people. I am tested extremely rational and logical. In times of crisis I do very well, never get emotionally screwed up. Do what ever is needed and in the right order of preferences.

            The PhD who tested me said I was the most intelligent person he had ever tested and make the record books.

            He was just reiterating what I already knew from working with emotional cripples most of my life.

            It turns out that I am a remnant of human intelligence. My family lived remote in Europe and did not breed with city people who are extremely infected with diseases that wipe out brain and health. They also followed religious ideas about sex and marriage.

            I am grateful to them.

            The number one evil in the USA is sexual immorality. This is promoted by TV, Movies. And many movie stars are infected.

            We have some 120,000,000 cases if STD’s in a country of roughly 320,000,000. And the majority of these infected people are teen age girls. Viral STD’s infect the reproductive cells and cause the rapid rise of diseases we have and the mental retardation that is rampant today.

            It is proven that when countries reduce morals, like following the modern culture of diseased babies, their is a rapid rise in human suffering and disease.

            In Australia, 90% of people believe in this idiotic emotional disease of evolution, that humans evolved from fish.

            And what we find is 229% rise in Cancer in less than 25 years. And 400% rise in STD’s in 10 years.

            The USA has had about 10% rise every year for the past 12 years, and Evolution is right up there as the root cause of diseased reproduction.

          • Clive Johnson

            You’re full of claims but provide no good arguments for them.

            “It is proven that when countries reduce morals…”

            “Proven” by whom? What class of moral behavior gets the title of being most important? Killing 6 million Jews strikes me as vastly more morally serious than STDs. Or, going back a couple of decades from that, we could also include the needless slaughter of WWI. Or, Churchill’s genocide of Indians.

            Your reply to this, no doubt, is that the worst thing we can do to humanity is to decrease its mental and physical performance through insults to its basic functions. But you have yet to provide evidence that STDs are behind the statistics you cite.

            Epidemiology has complexities that I have to see you acknowledge. There are yet many unknowns. Many scientific studies, from nutrition to drug efficacy, are not reliable. And yet you’ve convinced yourself that STDs are to blame.

            Further, you claim once again but offer no supporting argument, that evolution is the ‘root cause’ of the problem. From what I can tell so far you don’t appreciate what kind of claim you’re making. I’ve already noted that behavior, to the extent that it’s determined by environmental factors, is multi-causal or correlational. You claiming evolution is the ‘root cause’ would be like me arguing that mere Bible reading is the root cause of Catholic priests molesting children. Of course that’s not the case.

            “They also followed religious ideas about sex and marriage.”

            There’s one study showing that on average secular liberals have 5 IQ points higher than religious conservatives.

            If that’s an accurate study, then how does it play into your pet theory?

            Also, you ignored my question about the Flynn effect, a scientific finding that would also contradict your thesis.

          • It is proven by thing thing called Evidence?

            You don’t seem to like evidence.

            Most humans are emotional cripples.

            You ignorance of evidence is clear evidence to me of the blinders you wear because you are an emotional cripple.

            I have studied the medical statistics of every country that has adopted Evodelusionism. It is very bad.

            When your children are dying from some horrible genetic diseases that never existed before the 1900’s maybe then you will listen.

            Please tell your friends and family members with cancer how happy you are that they show evolution with their diseases. Tell them how happy you are that their immune system is so weak from “evolution” they they cannot fight off normally occurring cancer cells.

            Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance.

            Is there any sort of a real human at home, one with enough compassion to care about life? (knock, knock)

            Your religion is proven beyond all possibility to contradict the evidence, to be the most destructive to human health “religion” ever to bless humanity.

          • Clive Johnson

            You ignore my critiques once again. I feel we can no longer have a dialogue if we continue this way.

          • You critique has no validity.

            Your ignorance of evidence is clear evidence to me of the blinders you wear because you are an emotional cripple. You see things from your emotional bondage. Blind as can be.

            I have studied the medical statistics of every country that has adopted Evodelusionism. It is very bad.

            When your children are dying from some horrible genetic diseases that never existed before the 1900’s maybe then you will listen.

          • Clive Johnson

            “You critique has no validity.”

            And yet you fail to provide any rebuttal of it except your authority, which is never sufficient for settling a dispute, and which further is called into question by the logical holes in your case–obvious ones, which you fail to recognize.

          • Your religion has cause the increased rapid rise of children dying.

            Done. Argument is over.

            You know them by their fruit. If you fruit is diseased and dead children then that is how I know you.

          • 12grace

            Clarification. Are you a Christian GoodScience? Are you saying that Clive’s religion is Evolution?

          • Clive, knows nothing about science nor has any clue what evidence is and yet he believes in some magical Evotard Fairy that will make things better. I think the Evotard Fairy died.

          • You seem to get false religions and the use of religions by governments verse MORALS about saving lives contained in scriptures.

            I hate false religions, and so does Jesus Christ, as clearly spoken about in the Bible.

            Evodelusionism is another disgusting religion of the death cult.

            Every county who has adopted Evodelusionism, has had extreme rise in STD’s Autism, Mental illness, Cancer and genetic diseases. These statistics are NOT refutable.

            And every country and that countries false religions who has used Christ as a tool for conquest, greed, nationalism, war l(lets go kill for “god and country’) are clearly condemned in the Bible.

            But you would never know this because you are a typical weak person who wants to believe in humanity and so you go from one screwed up religion to another.

            How stupid is that?

            The biggest whore of all time is Christendom.
            The newest whore is academia, the new state owned church of garbage science.

            http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/12/who-is-babylon-great-now.html

          • Clive Johnson

            Do you know what you do? Are you aware of your own motivations?

            As you have done throughout our exchange you lecture and assert claims, but refuse to deal with valid objections. You believe others want to know what you have to say but have little interest in listening to others.

            What is a “false religion”? There’s no point in discussing whether this or that supernatural view of the world is true or not since there is no way to validate any of them. Is a criterion of a “false religion” one that doesn’t give a rat’s patootie about Jesus? Why should this be the case?

            You continually harp on facts and statistics without a sufficient appreciation for the role of interpretation and theory. The most blatant example of this is claiming that acceptance of evolution leads to a plethora of social problems. No one has any reason to accept this claim until you provide a theoretical account for why this is backed by evidence.

            “These statistics are NOT refutable.”

            1) First, this depends on the validity of the measures used. But even if they are reliable…

            2) This doesn’t explain why those statistics are the way they are in the first place.

          • When over 10,000,000 peer studies say the same thing you are going to argue against it because you cannot deal with reality. Head up ass, or head in sand or whatever? As long as you don’t see it , it does not exist?? Is that your policy of protecting your weak emotional condition.

            You see when ALL the testable evidence shows the same thing, I think I will go with the evidence and not with government bull crap.

            So, you think that magically Cancer is now the number one disease killer of children?

            You think that magically, birth defects and genetic malformations is the second leading disease killer of children.

            You think that it is magic that congenital heart diseases have risen so much that it is now the number 3 killer of babies and children.

            I think you live in fantasy land because you are weak minded and cannot deal with reality. You prefer la la land of head up ass syndrome common with modern people.

            You are evidence of a degraded mental emotional diseased new modern human as Doctor Gerald Crabtree was talking about in his papers on how stupid and emotional modern humans are compared to our ancestors of 2000 to 6000 years ago.

            This is, of course from sampling DNA from our ancestors remains.

          • You live in darkness of your own prison of bondage.

            Worldly knowledge is bondage.

          • Dakinggamer

            Agreed law of God supersedes the law of man

            Titus 1:2 – in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

          • 12grace

            Do you think it is possible to be a Christian and believe in Evolution?

          • Clive Johnson

            It’s not just possible, it happens all the time.

          • So, ONE piece of evidence for evolution. Just one, and then I will listen to you.

          • Clive Johnson

            Your statement translates to:

            ‘In this age of unprecedented access to information, I can’t be bothered to do even an iota of my own research in order to satisfy even a simple question about the central organizing theory of biology. Do my work for me. Think for me’.

            No.

          • I am sorry, but you don’t seem to understand English. Is it your second language?

            The question is you need to show me even ONE piece of evidence that would even remotely indicate evolution is possible, and it cannot have any religious garbage beliefs in it. Evidence is PHYSICAL, and as any REAL scientists knows it is repeatable, testable, and needs actual molecules made from the foundation of life. If you don’t produce even one speck of evidence, then you are a religious nut case.

            I have studied this at the molecular level and find this really stupid and primitive idea of “evolution” to be lacking in ANY evidence at all. And all the evidence used to sell this crap religion shows genetic degradation as we see EVERYWHERE on earth in every species and in every part of the human body.

            You, obviously, have no criteria of mental protection against garbage belief systems.

          • Clive Johnson

            You have an autodidact’s obsession with your misinformed pet theories, easily correctable with investigation, and yet you persist.

            I don’t need to provide a bit of evidence to you since the burden of proof is on you to show that evolution is false. However, I have zero confidence that you are able to fairly and objectively assess evidence.

          • You are WEAK and a COWARD, and have no courage of your convictions enough to show us why you believe in magical nonsense. It is very sad to see people like you, but those with low IQ’s and who have no rigorous scientific training are all like you. You just follow the crap you have been told and you are afraid of the truth.

            Please tell your friends with cancer how happy you are to see them suffer from evolution that made them so physically strong and healthy.

            Only weak and ignorant people believe in evolution. And you have no knowledge of this subject at all. The weak and stupid are all over the planet, as professors, as teachers, as politicians, and preachers. They cow tow to whatever is fed them, because they are weak and low intelligence and have some form of stupid worship of human ideology and myths.

          • It is IMPOSSIBLE to believe in evolution and be a true Christian.

            There is no evidence for evolution.

            *Evolution: “that theory which sees in the history of all things organic and inorganic a development from simplicity to complexity, a gradual advance from a simple or rudimentary condition to one that is more complex and of a higher character.” Webster’s Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language.*

            And there is tons of evidence for what the Bible teaches.

            Humans started on the road to genetic degradation, suffering and death, when they (Adam and Eve and all those who followed), decided to be like God and defy God’s Laws.

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2014/10/what-is-human-sin-and-where-is-it.html

            http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/05/your-entire-argument-is-that-there-is.html

          • I am so sorry for you. Not having a relationship with Jehovah God means eternal death when you die. Death is the result of human ignorance which causes, disease, suffering, hate, war, murder, and death.

            We were never meant to die, yet because of humans denying any form of love for life on this planet humans are extremely close to extinction.

          • 20,000,000 peer studies completely approved by scientists is not good enough for you?

            The problem is you wear blinders and only want to see what already is believed. It is a horrible condition to be in.

            You actually believe in magical garbage and think you are sane.

            Life and what is obvious is all around you, but you can’t see what is real from what is fake because you are blind and really seem very ignorant to me.

            You are incapable of even one independent thought. And you cannot go beyond the dogma of your stupid religion.

            For instance, Cancer is now proven to be caused by several genetic defects, and cancer cells are allowed to live by degraded immune systems is the main cause. 600,000 peer studies on cancer by medical doctors is not enough to show you how degraded humans are.

            You cannot even show why you think evolution is real from any evidence, because you have no knowledge of the subject, yet you believe.

            I would like to think that you are not THAT low IQ or that egotistical to the point of allowing yourself to die in total ignorance.

          • Clive Johnson

            You’re full of hostility, extreme bias, eccentric fixations–you don’t want to have a discussion. You’re trapped in your fantasy view of the world and are raging at a psychological symbol (me) of the system you hate but don’t understand.

            We’re done here. Rage alone. You’re blocked.

          • The irony of your silly arguments is getting way out of line. I am extremely knowledgeable and trying to help you out of darkness and into a condition of peace, as I have.

            There is something so wonderful about knowing the Truth and the peace it gives is just amazing. When all the pieces fit together perfectly and everything is understood is a great place to be.

            You are still thinking you know something but you are dumb as a box of rocks, and that is an insult to rocks becasue they have a good purpose in life.

          • My motives is to stop people from destroying the health of all life on the planet. I don’t think one can have a better motivation that only comes from compassion.

          • 12grace

            Unfortunately, people have interpreted the Word of G-d to suit their own agenda.

            I wonder how you view Islam and other non- Christian religions.

          • Islam is an offshoot of Judaism. The rejected son of Abraham, the son of Abraham’s servant woman Hagar, Ishmael is the founder of Islam. The reason why they hate Jews so much is the parent of that religion was rejected by the Jews as the real son and the inheritor of Abraham’s legacy.

            Funny how immoral sex results in a lot of death and destruction of the human family. Sarah was given a child as the proper lineage to bring about the Messiah.

            Islam is a religion of destroy all those who they hate. And they hate a lot of people.

          • Childhood Invasive Cancer Has No Magical Causes. by James Arjuna

            http://www.acco.org/Information/AboutChildhoodCancer/ChildhoodCancerStatistics.aspx

            http://seer.cancer.gov/csr/1975_2010/results_merged/sect_29_childhood_cancer_iccc.pdf

            http://www.siope.eu/binarydata.aspx?type=doc/Cancer_in_long-term_survivors_of_childhood_cancer.pdf

            The rise of cancer, a genetic disease in which the body’s repair mechanism cannot fix a mutated cell, and the bodies immune system no longer recognizes and destroys cancer cells is on the rise.  In the US it is up 135% in 35 years. In Australia the land of militant Evotards it is up 229% in 25 years. The statistics of childhood cancer is very disturbing, 135% in 34 years with the highest incidents in under 1 year old babies. Genetic degradation is all there is. There’s no evolution!
            It is very difficult to break into a religious ideology base on emotional nonsense.

            I can’t believe that anyone would attribute childhood deaths and in particular the MOST numbers of deaths are babies under one year to unsubstantiated causes.

            Before 1948 cancer was so rare that it was not even kept as a statistic and MD’s were not focused on this disease because it was so rare.

            Since 1948 the over all incidence has risen by 178% and from 1975 to 2009 it has risen by 135% and this is in children with the most cases in unborn and under one year old babies.
            There has been a 199.7% rise in unborn babies with spinal and brain cancerous tumors. I posted the links to seer chart 29.3 on the blog.

            In 1948 the environmental factors were bad. I know I was alive then.
            Most people in the US smoked. Doctors were recommending people smoke to calm nerves.
            There was lead in the gasoline and we had no smog devices on cars trucks trains, anything.
            The water was poisoned from pesticides (DDT). The air from industrial and combustion in cars.
            The foods had poisons (DDT) in them and most foods were processed and refined to the point of being almost dead of nutrients.
            The City where I lived as a child has a section called “Cannery Row”. I am sure you have heard of it from Steinbeck’s book. The reason why Cannery Row is a historical place and does no canning is because DDT killed off all the Sardines and most fish in the Monterey bay.

            It wasn’t until the 1960’s that environmental poisons were actually addressed and started to be cleaned up. I can remember when I first was driving I went to Los Angeles and could not believe how bad the air was. 1964. I lived there in 1970 and again in 1980-83. There was no more smog then.

            By 1975 the USA was cleaned up so much better than before:
            1975 when all lead was long gone and removed from Gasoline.
            DDT was outlawed.
            The water only had chlorine as the only poison in less than 0.5 PPM
            The EPA was in full bloom.

            However the cancer rates still are rising at nearly the same rate in percentage. Meaning we are destroying our genomes using the exact same methods of spreading diseases that cause fetal mutations. It has almost nothing to do with toxic chemicals and it never has.

            Therefore, babies being born who do not smoke, don’t drink, don’t breast feed (one of the causes of breast cancer is not breast feeding your baby), don’t have any environmental reason to be sick (and the environment has been cleaned up) can only be caused by diseased reproduction.

            The USA has almost 1 in 3 people with an STD. Two STD’s are not curable, permanent and reduce your life and increased suffering. Many of the viral STD’s do not go away. They remain in your cells and can erupt at any time your immune system fails to keep them at bay. STD give rise to fetal mutations that cause 1 in 88 babies born with autism. 1 in 125 born with congenital heart disease. 200% rise in STD’s in 10 years is evidence that social liberalism/ communism and atheism is bad for health.
            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/14/std-epidemic-costs-us-nearly-16-billion-year/

            http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/256413.php

            http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/abstinence-education-downplayed-as-method-of-combating-americas-std-epidemi/

            The rapid rise in babies with cancer is a horrible statistic, but people want to be free to spread diseases. The truth has never changed. We must not keep doing this in the name of sexual freedom.

            The ONLY way to stop this is by making laws to stop it and enforcing those laws to protect the children and babies, to protect the future of humanity.

            The only cure for STD;s is to not spread them. The medical industry and big pharma have never cured a single disease, but have only participated in the cause of new diseases.
            http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/05/what-can-we-do-to-help-our-future.html

            There are easy to find over 1,000,000 peer reviewed articles on human genetic degradation, showing over 100,000 deleterious mutations causing diseases. Also 20,000 lost genes atavism, non functioning genes. We have lost eye site strength, muscle strength, jaw size, brain size, bone density, can’t eat even half the foods we could, lost enzymes, lost, hearing, suffer from many deformity, lost olfactory sensors and have never gained any improvements ever. This is science, not magic nor voodoo.
            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/04/are-humans-getting-better-what-is.html

            Its absolutely clear in evidence that there is no “correcting” or “fixing” influence in any creature. They are all losing gene functions; are less complex because of this.
            99.9999% of “mutations” results in damage to the genome. Constantly happening from infected human zygotes. It is absolutely clear there is no “correcting” or “fixing” influence in any creature. Only degradation!
            This is why we only see increases in cancer, diabetes, heart disease and the 7000+ “rare” genetic diseases.

          • Why would the US Government publish this chart?

            Why wouldn’t they do the normal thing and hide the truth?

            It is because of independent medical studies that completely surround the CDC so this data cannot be avoided. It is however, tweaked and made to look less bad ,believe it or not.

          • There are no “holes” in my research. I have not left any “stone” upturned on this subject of human life sciences. There is not one PhD, MD, Biologist, Paleontologist who can disprove the truth.

            It is VERY difficult for a modern human to accept reality, because of the need to hide from difficult realities. The ONLY way to find the Truth and to be able to deal with it comes from Faith in God. There is no other way.

            If you want to continue to suffer in fear and in darkness of delusions, that is your choice. But Jehovah God, OUR CREATOR, has a plan to fix this mess that humans put themselves in. This mess is disease, suffering and death as we have never seen before.

            Fertility clinics are testing for some 17000 genetic diseases they have discovered so far, and many more are discovered every day in the world. Most of these diseases have NO history past a few hundred years.

            All and I mean ALL of the evidence points to the Truth. Humans are sickly weak and cannot exist much longer as they create new ways to kill themselves with diseases, infected reproduction (destroying children at the germ line level), chemicals, and bad foods.

          • Is there any sort of a real human at home, one with enough compassion to care about life? (knock, knock)

            Your religion is proven beyond all possibility to contradict the evidence, to be the most destructive to human health “religion” ever to “bless”
            humanity.

          • So, you love disease suffering and death….Why? That is the question. Why is death so attractive to you?

          • Please tell your friends and family members with cancer how happy you are that they show evolution with their diseases. Tell them how happy you are that their immune system is so weak from “evolution” they they cannot fight off normally occurring cancer cells.

            I have answered every question and countered every one of your stupid beliefs with evidence. You are not capable of learning what is going on because the truth is not for weak wussies like you. Only those with Faith in God can deal with reality.

          • You are a moron compared to me. If you had any brains and eyes you would listen.

            But you are so “smart” and cool and know more than anybody. WTF is wrong with you are you blind and stupid both.

            We have never had this much tragedy with diseases EVER.

            Do you really support the death of children because of your denial mechanism cannot deal with it?

          • Clive Johnson

            My last reply.

            You don’t understand the difference, at least from what I can tell so far, between statistics and the interpretation of statistics. I have no problem believing in increasing rates of cancer, and in fact have seen such claims before. But WHY this is happening is the question. The idea that its ultimate cause is evolution is based on a fictionalized view of reality.

            I’m done here. Goodbye.

          • Because people like you live in a lie. Our humanity is being destroyed by ignorance. Do you think this crap has magical causes as the medical industry does?
            As a real scientist I look for causes. The cause of genetic degradation and disease is infected reproduction. Viral infections at conception destroy humans cells.

          • Actually you are wrong. Think of the diseases that no longer plague us and how the average life expectancy has improved all over the world thanks to SCIENCE .

          • You don’t seem to have any objective awareness and are a complete emotional cripple. Truth and reality are not for people like you. You ARE evidence of human degradation into very ignorant and emotional cripples today.

            The medical industry is clear evidence of human degradation and rapid rise of diseases, that never existed before.

            For some 200,000 years humans lived with NO medical. Now, according to accredited scientists, without medical we would either be extinct or nearly extinct with an average lifespan of 15 years.

            Try to think for a change. Without medical we are so degraded that there is almost no chance for survival.

          • That is completely silly, Malaria, combated in part by sickle cell trait in some parts of Africa has a very long history of association with humans

            http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/10-oldest-known-diseases.htm

            host’s brain in a way that makes the host want to bite things. This is how rabies gets a ticket to ride. And it’s been doing it since at least 2300 B.C.E., when it was described in the Eshuma Code of Babylon [source: Rupprecht et al.].

          • That is completely silly, Malaria, combated in part by sickle cell trait in some parts of Africa has a very long history of association with humans

            http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/10-oldest-known-diseases.htm

            host’s brain in a way that makes the host want to bite things. This is how rabies gets a ticket to ride. And it’s been doing it since at least 2300 B.C.E., when it was described in the Eshuma Code of Babylon [source: Rupprecht et al.].

          • There was no modern medicine 200 years ago, a time period far to short for any significant amount of evolution to take place

          • There was no modern medicine 200 years ago, a time period far to short for any significant amount of evolution to take place

          • GoodScienceFYou … Truth and reality are not for people like you. People have not changed significantly in 200 years, and the life expectancy was much lower 200 years ago

          • According to medical doctors, modern humans would not live much past 15 on average without artificial life support. The medical industry is now at its limits to curtail the effects of human diseased lifestyles. We cannot continue to have a rapid increase in babies born with defects as we do now.
            Women today in the USA live 5 years less than their mothers.

            Mental illness is so common that MD’s want to put Prozac in the water supply.

            Putting your faith in degraded, greedy and hateful humans has never worked out very well. There is no hope for this to continue much longer.

          • People have drastically changed in the past 100 years. We are now extremely retarded, sickly and have increased diseases by at least 30 times, according to DNA studies.

            You think that 40% of high school students after 12 years of education not being able to read is evidence of improvement?

          • GoodScienceFYou … Truth and reality are not for people like you. People have not changed significantly in 200 years, and the life expectancy was much lower 200 years ago

          • According to the revered Dr. Gerald Crabtree, PhD, MD, and professor of genetics at Stanford university, humans are far less intelligent today and far more emotional. This ignorance of cause and effect pertaining to sexual activity means that sexual compulsions and desires are more important than the survival of humanity. And there is this false idea that humans are better off today. All of the evidence points to the fact that we are close to extinction, within 100 years at the present rate in rise of genetic diseases.

            People who think humans are better off today, ARE evidence of Dr Crabtree’s study.

            Childhood Cancer is up nearly 30,000% since the 1800’s where it was almost unnoticed as a cause of death. Personally, as a research scientist, I cannot find even one case of invasive cancer killing a child prior to late 1890’s.

            In 1914 cancer deaths was 1 in 20 (In 1847 it was 1 in 45), now it has become for the fist time, the number one cause of death in the USA, beating out heart disease for the fist time ever. 1 in 3 people will die from cancer in the USA before the age of 64. And after 64 to 80 it takes out 1/2 of them but the chart becomes very narrow at 80 of those who are actually living. It looks like a needle on the end of a funnel, the actual mortality chart of humans in the USA.

            Now, not only is it the number one cause of adult death, is it the number one disease killer of children ages 1 to 15, we are seeing and incredible rise in unborn babies with cancerous brain and spinal tumors.

            The cause of cancer is proven to be a molecular genetic disease in over 500,000 peer studies now. But that doesn’t matter, because sex has some how become a recreation, instead of for reproduction.

            1 in 9 babies are now born with serious genetic (besides cancer and heart disease) diseases, according to N.O.R.D. statistics on genetic diseases. N.O.R.D. lists over 7000 of these diseases that require life long treatments in order to function.

            1 in 36 males are born with autism, up nearly 800% since 1970. Autism is proven from many thousands of genetic studies to be from defective genetics, and in particular a set of duplication mutations in the HAR genes. Some people think it is from vaccines, but there is no real evidence of that. The vaccines may just be a trigger for a genetic problem.

            Just like “mutagens” are not the cause of cancer, but they are the trigger. How is it possible that going out in the sun is now considered “bad”? Maybe, it is because we have destroyed our ability to deal with solar mutated cells?

            The cause of cancer is our repair and immune system’s inability to detect these cells and destroy them. PERIOD. Well proven in millions of studies.

            And 400% rise in diabetes in 36 years, is not alarming.

            WHO states that by 2050, Caner will be the number ONE cause of death over every disease, including all the pathogens in Africa.

          • And yet i know lots of very smart people

          • And yet i know lots of very smart people

          • Dr. Gerald Crabtree is barking up the wrong tree,

          • Dr. Gerald Crabtree is barking up the wrong tree,

          • Contractions of Fate

            You are completely delusional, irrational and a total pseudo-scientist.

          • So, because you never look around to see what is actually going on and check with the AUTHORITIES on diseases, and disease history, you live with blinders on and think that 30,000% rise in childhood cancer in less than 150 years is good. You are very lost in total ignorance and you know NOTHING about science.

          • Contractions of Fate

            30,000%? What abilities did we have to identify childhood cancer 150 years ago? You are such a proven pseud, full of “fallen genome” claptrap, you confuse an ability to detect with an actual increase in incidence. Additionally, you ignore the effects of environmental mutagens. Your actual IQ is closer to 72, rather than the spurious figure you spout.

            >:8o

          • 30000% is low figure. This is based on evidence. We did not have children’s hospitals when I was young because NO children I met had cancer. Now we have children’s cancer hospitals the size of small towns with 2000 people on staff. There is NO RECORD of any child dying from cancer in 1847 the era where all causes of death were recorded. And only 1 in 45 OLD people died from cancer. It was an old person’s disease. Now it is the number one disease killer of children.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8ab2bb145ebc3ad2f81221fe880d2d925e77b7b8b8352e449e1d353382805c22.jpg

          • And 1 in 3 adults ages 15 to 64 dies from cancer. It is no longer an old age disease. By the age of 50 1/3 of the people born the same year are dead according to the mortality charts published by the US government.

          • You are an idiot. Cancer has been known about for a long time. And you insult the greatest Doctors of all time who put on the death certificate the cause of death. You really think that modern MD’s are better when they kill over 400,000 people (official government statistics. The real statistics is estimated at 748,000) a year from medical mistakes and have over 12,000,000 cases of malpractice, where they harmed the patient so much from incompetence that the family and patient sued them. Why is malpractice insurance the MOST expensive insurance on the planet?

          • Contractions of Fate

            You still here? Where’ve you been for the last three weeks? Hospitalised again?

            Who were “the greatest Doctors of all time”? The ones that bled patients and used leeches? Or the ones that cured leprosy by sprinkling bird blood around in a magickal ritual? You clearly do not think that “the greatest Doctors of all time” are modern doctors, as you claim they kill about half a million patients per year.

            Please post a link to your “official government statistics” on iatrogenic disease and related deaths. And not a link to a stupid web blog, a link to CDC, NCBI, PubMed or something genuine like that.

            If there is ANY truth in your claim at all, I strongly suspect that you have completely ignored the differences in;

            a) general population figures between now and the C19th
            b) population being treated now compared with C19th
            c) number of doctors and health care professionals now and in the C19th
            d) number of conditions that could never even be treated in the C19th compared with now
            e) number of conditions that were lethal in the C19th but can now be cured
            f) number of hopeless cases that would not even be attempted in C19th but can now be fixed
            g) the dramatic increase in complex surgical procedures that did not even exist in the C19th
            h) the development of chemo- and radiotherapy treatments that did not exist in the C19th

            You are not a research scientist. You are a sad, lonely, senile old man. A delusional, fundamentalist Biblical literalist who perfectly demonstrates the phenomenon of Dunning-Kruger. You appear on dozens of videos and web blogs being debunked by people who actually understand the science and I think you won the Croco-Duck Award for claiming that palaeontologists did not date dinosaur bones, they dated the sediment around the dinosaur bones.

            You similarly are full of nothing but anecdote and poor scholarship. You take figures reported in the middle of the 19th century and compare them with 2015, when we know that surveillance of disease has improved dramatically and that we can now recognise diseases that we did not even know existed in 1850. We can treat diseases that were not recognised in 1850 and can cure many diseases today that we could not even treat, or even know existed, in 1850.

            At least very few people in the Western world die of cholera, dysentery and typhoid anymore. And NO one dies from smallpox.

            Maybe you should just stick to prayer and stop making public appearances? The tragic thing is that there may be 5 or 6 people in the world that would actually swallow your bilge. I’ve seen them making Flat Earth videos.

            >:8o

          • Contractions of Fate

            False-flagging as Spam? Is this how you demonstrate your “intellectual honesty”? Is your Christianity equally as deceptive and deceitful? No wonder that on your YouTube channel of gibberish and drivel, every thread is you arguing with yourself. You have been reported.

            Fortunately, I am quite used to dealing with dishonest, deceitful, charlatans, liars and frauds like you and keep copies..

            Who were “the greatest Doctors of all time”? The ones that bled patients and used leeches? Or the ones that cured leprosy by sprinkling bird blood around in a magickal ritual? You clearly do not think that “the greatest Doctors of all time” are modern doctors, as you claim they kill about half a million patients per year.

            Please post a link to your “official government statistics” on iatrogenic disease and related deaths. And not a link to a stupid web blog, a link to CDC, NCBI, PubMed or something genuine like that.

            If there is ANY truth in your claim at all, I strongly suspect that you have completely ignored the differences in:

            a) general population figures between now and the C19th
            b) population being treated now compared with C19th
            c) number of doctors and health care professionals now and in the C19th
            d) number of conditions that could never even be treated in the C19th compared with now
            e) number of conditions that were lethal in the C19th but can now be cured
            f) number of hopeless cases that would not even be attempted in C19th but can now be fixed
            g) the dramatic increase in complex surgical procedures that did not even exist in the C19th
            h) the development of chemo- and radiotherapy treatments that did not exist in the C19th

            You are not a research scientist. You are a sad, lonely old man. A delusional, fundamentalist Biblical literalist who perfectly demonstrates the phenomenon of Dunning-Kruger. You appear on dozens of videos and web blogs being debunked by people who actually understand the science and I think you won the Croco-Duck Award for claiming that palaeontologists did not date dinosaur bones, they dated the sediment around the dinosaur bones.

            You are full of nothing but anecdote and poor scholarship. You take figures reported in the middle of the 19th century and compare them with 2015, when we know that surveillance of disease has improved dramatically and that we can now recognise diseases that we did not even know existed in 1850. We can treat diseases that were not recognised in 1850 and can cure many diseases today that we could not even treat, or even know existed, in 1850.

            At least very few people in the Western world die of cholera, dysentery and typhoid anymore. And NO one dies from smallpox.

            Maybe you should just stick to prayer and stop making public appearances? The tragic thing is that there may be 5 or 6 people in the world that would actually swallow your bilge. I’ve seen them making Flat Earth videos.

            >:8o

          • What a sad person. I am so sorry your life is so difficult.

          • Contractions of Fate

            Do you have any responses to the direct questions? Any response at all? Where are your links to support your nonsensical assertions?

          • According to the revered Dr. Gerald Crabtree, PhD, MD, and professor of genetics at Stanford university, humans are far less intelligent today and far more emotional. This ignorance of cause and effect pertaining to sexual activity means that sexual compulsions and desires are more important than the survival of humanity. And there is this false idea that humans are better off today. All of the evidence points to the fact that we are close to extinction, within 100 years at the present rate in rise of genetic diseases.

            People who think humans are better off today, ARE evidence of Dr Crabtree’s study.

            Childhood Cancer is up nearly 30,000% since the 1800’s where it was almost unnoticed as a cause of death. Personally, as a research scientist, I cannot find even one case of invasive cancer killing a child prior to late 1890’s.

            In 1914 cancer deaths was 1 in 20 (In 1847 it was 1 in 45), now it has become for the fist time, the number one cause of death in the USA, beating out heart disease for the fist time ever. 1 in 3 people will die from cancer in the USA before the age of 64. And after 64 to 80 it takes out 1/2 of them but the chart becomes very narrow at 80 of those who are actually living. It looks like a needle on the end of a funnel, the actual mortality chart of humans in the USA.

            Now, not only is it the number one cause of adult death, is it the number one disease killer of children ages 1 to 15, we are seeing and incredible rise in unborn babies with cancerous brain and spinal tumors.

            The cause of cancer is proven to be a molecular genetic disease in over 500,000 peer studies now. But that doesn’t matter, because sex has some how become a recreation, instead of for reproduction.

            1 in 9 babies are now born with serious genetic (besides cancer and heart disease) diseases, according to N.O.R.D. statistics on genetic diseases. N.O.R.D. lists over 7000 of these diseases that require life long treatments in order to function.

            1 in 36 males are born with autism, up nearly 800% since 1970. Autism is proven from many thousands of genetic studies to be from defective genetics, and in particular a set of duplication mutations in the HAR genes. Some people think it is from vaccines, but there is no real evidence of that. The vaccines may just be a trigger for a genetic problem.

            Just like “mutagens” are not the cause of cancer, but they are the trigger. How is it possible that going out in the sun is now considered “bad”? Maybe, it is because we have destroyed our ability to deal with solar mutated cells?

            The cause of cancer is our repair and immune system’s inability to detect these cells and destroy them. PERIOD. Well proven in millions of studies.

            And 400% rise in diabetes in 36 years, is not alarming.

            WHO states that by 2050, Caner will be the number ONE cause of death over every disease, including all the pathogens in Africa.

          • So, you think that having 1 in 4 teen age girls infected with STD’s is a good thing? Destroying their own reproductive organs and fetuses. You do know that an infected woman at the time of conception has a huge chance of getting either a miscarriage or mutated and sickly baby. This is why we now have some 1 in 9 children born with serious genetic diseases which require life long treatments. Source is NORD.

          • 12grace

            Clive, I agree with you about the need for America to take better care of it’s babies and children.

            Example
            Our children are now exposed to a variety of serious diseases because our gov’t opened our borders.

            In the past, people coming into our county to become citizens had to undergo stringent health screening. Now, our children are exposed to things like drug-resistant TB, Chagna and even Leprosy.

          • Dark Star

            This is a deeply disturbing attempt at justifying xenophobia.

            Domestic anti-vaxxers have done far more harm to American children than immigration.

            US travelers to South America bring Changa back to the US also. There are few transmissions here in the US, so it’s not a big health risk unless you travel to endemic areas.

            Drug-resistant TB is a curse we brought on ourselves by misusing antibiotics.

            Leprosy is bacterial and only about 100 cases in the US per year. 95% of all people are naturally immune to Leprosy and if you do get it (which is hard because it isn’t highly communicable, or it would have been far worse throughout history) it can be cured with an MDT regimen now.

            So the ‘facts’ you put in your argument here are completely skewed from reality.

            But my bigger question is — why do only people in the US matter to you?

          • 12grace

            Dark.

            ” Why do the people of every country but America matter to you?”

          • You have no evidence to back anything you say. Every statement I make comes from evidence and only evidence.

          • I was born into a family that hated religions and hated politicians. I was blessed.

            Both of my parents taught me to NEVER BELIEVE anyone on anything. That all humans are full of “shit”.

            I have never been a “joiner” of anything, but have studied EVERYTHING there is to study in terms of the fields of science and religions.

            It turns out that my parents “theroy of human bullshit” has never failed me.

          • You suffer with extreme need to believe in something. You are a religious addict.

        • You seriously need A bible lesson. All the details of what the earth is supposed to be is in the Bible.

          All of your questions about life science and how it will be when Jehovah destroys all evil from the earth is in the Bible.

          It is not in these pagan “Christendom” religions.

          I was a “Christian” until I read the Bible at the age of 12. I realized that Christians were full of HEMG and what they taught was not in the Bible and they avoided most of the Bible.

          I spent many years studying all religions. I even went to India and studied with the ancient lineage of Siddha Masters. They used the Bible and other ancient scriptures on Truth.

          In every sphere of human activity, we have never solved humanity’s problems, but out of that ignorance, we are now killing our babies faster than ever.

          Every technological advancement has resulted in more disease suffering and death, and a deeper denial as to the cause.

          Even the medical industry came out of our genetic degradation and for no other reason.

          http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-medical-industry-and-what-it-tells.html

          http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/06/what-are-inherited-diseases-and-what-is.html

          Do you know that MD’s and Professors of Medical Science have no clue why we have had 300% rise in childhood cancer in such a short period of time. NO frigging clue. I know because I have studied the entire subject and all the evidence is easy to find.

          • Clive Johnson

            You ignore my critique and continue to preach. I’ll address some of your points below.

            “ll the details of what the earth is supposed to be is in the Bible.”

            This all depends on one’s prior conception of what it is good to be or what human civilization should be.

            How could the Bible possibly be a complete guide to ethics or knowledge or huge fields and paradigms of human thought and action?

            The Bible is that it doesn’t address, or even know about, a vast range of things that are key to human progress. The Bible essentially endorses slavery, to give one example. Or, there’s no mention made of the need for creativity or critical thinking. What little indirect and vague things the Bible might be forced to say about these mental capacities is obviously not enough to establish them as central values. The Bible knows nothing of how to cure all of human disease. It knows virtually nothing of the cosmos compared with current knowledge. I has no understanding of accurate earth history. Etc., etc.

            “In every sphere of human activity, we have never solved humanity’s problems…”

            This is simply false. Take polio, for instance. The fact that you make such absolute generalizations is a key to how biased your thinking is.

            Another example:

            “Every technological advancement has resulted in more disease suffering and death, and a deeper denial as to the cause.”

            Again, it’s easy as pie to find counterexamples. Antibiotics, e.g., has saved countless lives.

          • So, you either support disease, suffering and death, or you don’t. It is not some gray area, which you are allowed to pick and choose which disease and which form of suffering you support. Most morons think what they do is good. They have all sorts of justifications for their diseased ways of thinking. That is why humans today are so rapidly going tribal and degraded, retarded and sickly, just like our cousins the Chimpanzees. They are so sick that with all the sex they have they cannot produce enough offspring to offset the deaths from diseases, even in sanctuaries.

            Which is it? Good or Evil?

            And do you want to really learn the deeper meanings of the Bible? Do you think that the most published book of all time, one that has 40 different authors and over a period over 1600 years and the same theme is perfectly written about front to back. See if you can find any other book like that.

          • You know nothing about the Bible, nor history. The Bible does no endorse slavery. Are you really that stupid?

            Slavery was around for thousand and thousands of years. It speaks about slavery and it was a common historical occurrence. It existed then the same a corporate brainwashing and the slavery of your mind today.

            The Bible and God’s laws gave rules on how to treat people who were indentured. Today the modern slaves don’t have that advantage and are treated like a commodity. Corporate fodder.

            Modern slavery is obvious. The difference is people are paid slaves in stead of being taken care of by their master buying clothes and feeding them. They are given money for the same purposes. Just enough money so they don’t starve and attack.

            Today you are a slave to money. It is exactly the same as it ever was. The only ones who are free are those who don’t participate in this rotten system of greed, lust, anger, nationalism, fear, religions, and the disgusting political brainwashing you seem to relish.

            Please show me where slavery is gone? Every person I have seen who tries to live away from this system eventually dies young or has to return to the system.

            I think you need a dose of George Carlin, to at least get you to see this freak show.

            George Carlin was working on escape and was likened to the Buddha, who realized humanity is full of crap. But that was a far from separation from his disease , suffering and death cult of humans we now have that seems universal.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy-sVByUHqE

          • Clive Johnson

            I’m not even reading your posts.

            You’ve demonstrated that you have no interest in an exchange of views, but only preaching your views. This doesn’t even serve your own interests, but only you can realize that for yourself.

          • So, you live in total ignorance and think you know everything. You can challenge the works of millions of scientists and think you are smarter than evidence.

          • 12grace

            Clive, GoodScience makes an excellent case. It seems you are bothered because GS doesn’t agree with your perspective.

          • Take polio for example. Humans cultivated that disease by IGNORANCE. It did not exist in the history of humans until it appeared in the 1900’s.

            “Major polio epidemics were unknown before the 20th century; localized paralytic polio epidemics began to appear in Europe and the United States around 1900. The first report of multiple polio cases was published in 1843 and described an 1841 outbreak in Louisiana.”

            So a disease that never existed before is evidence of human resistance to disease because of such a great immune system.

            Humans lived, (according to science, which is full of crap) for 200,000 years before medical was needed. This is because humans became so degraded that they were suffering terribly from babies and children dying and the average life span in 1600 was 35.

            In 1040 BCE Jews were living on average 70 to 80 years.

        • Your ignorance is evidence of the primitive and tribal religious that cause disease suffering and death.

          It is well proven by DNA studies that the ancients had far more intelligence and far less emotionalism.

          So your idea that a book written by 40 different people over a period of 1600 years and was preserved for us and has NO inconsistencies, is totally congruent shows just how stupid and primitive modern humans are.

          What is the bible silent on?

          The best economic system has NO MONEY. There will be no money, no greed, no hording of wealth in God’s Kingdom. And everyone will be rich beyond anything we see now. No one will work and slave for another persons wealth. No mortgages, no interest, no banks, no greed. No fighting over property.

          There will be no disease, suffering and death in God’s kingdom about to come. No want, no desire will be left out. even the people who mourn for the death of children will be reunited with their dead children.

          All of the details of the solutions for mankind are in the Bible. You simply have never understood the Bible, because Christendom is a horrible excuse for a religion.

          Every body has a very short sickly life, in case you have no eyes to see? Somehow this idea that being treated by doctors (artificial life support) and then dying at some young age of 80 is “normal”? How is it possible for people to believe that?

          What exactly is wrong with my statements? If you can correct me using scriptures and actual physical evidence, would be fine. The loving thing to do is to tell the Truth.

          The scientists and doctors have no clue why human age. Not a clue. They can see the results of aging, like shorter telomeres in the chromosomes and cell replication becomes screwed up. But they have no idea the cause of this.

          Without Jehovah, that is your reward.

          It is our inheritance from all the sins we got from our ancestors: death.

          http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2014/10/what-is-human-sin-and-where-is-it.html

          When people are so degraded that there is no hope for them and they have no signs of having any eyes to see with, you have to let them go, and according to scriptures you have to tell them it means life or death that they get this right.

          The wages of sin is death.

          That is why we die from some 17000 genetic diseases we inherited from our ancestors who were just as stupid to cause fetal mutations in offspring as we do now. Germ line mutations are caused by diseased lifestyles. Only now it is 10 times the speed of acceleration of the numbers of new diseased every 30 years..

          The Truth becomes more obvious to some (very few according to scriptures) people, but you have to tell them what it is. Then when crap happens they realize I was telling them the Truth.

          If no one ever tells them the Truth, then when crap happens, they have no clue and are even more lost and confused living in despair.

          I am a scientist so I deal in evidence and facts to back up what I say.

          People are so stupid today that they are ground into this idea that living for 80 years and being sickly needing medical aids all along is “normal”. That this sickly body, is somehow “good”. It breaks easily, catches every new virus there is and dies very young.

          There is nobody I have met over 80 who said being old was “so much fun”. Normally it is; “Old age is not for wussies.” And they will all tell you their life was extremely short.

          Yet they want life. This is because life was instilled in us at the beginning. As the Bible states; “eternity is in their hearts”.

          http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/12/religions-and-first-lie-ever-told.html

          http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2014/04/absolute-morality-what-is-it-by-james.html

          Death is not normal. Death is part of our diseased existence in which we have defied God for thousands of years.

          It started with Adam and Eve who decided they wanted to “be like God and know good and evil”.

          Since then the “good” has waned and the evil has taken over, obviously. Even worse people are so degraded they think that “evil is good”.

          According to medical doctors, modern humans, especially, white Caucasians could not live in the wild with no technology, no medical, no vaccines, no antibiotics, no drugs, no surgery, for more than 15 years. And massive deaths of children with no vaccines.

          The merciful and loving thing to do is to point out these facts to people who are living in some fantasy world of delusion put there by lies and lying to themselves. And so many “well meaning” people who say they love you, but are ignorant as a box of rocks.

          This includes all of Christendom, Academia, and those who follow all the lies of this rotting world.

          http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/12/who-is-babylon-great-now.html

          And the way out is very easy, once you realize how messed up this all is, it is easy to stop doing the things that destroy life and join in with Jehovah’s Kingdom.

          You see Jehovah is setting up a new Kingdom on Earth and in Heaven. It is happening right now. All of the prophesies of the Bible show this, and my evidence shows that humans don’t have long before extinction.

          No one who promotes, disease, suffering and death will be allowed to live in God’s new Kingdom.

          The sins (compulsions and desires) that bind us to everlasting death can be removed by the Grace of Jehovah through the Death of His Son. This shows amazing love of Jehovah God for us. We certainly don’t deserve any of it.

          Jesus came to remove your sins so that you may live. Not for you to continue to sin and die.

          http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2014/10/what-is-human-sin-and-where-is-it.html

          It means your eternal life, or your eternal death that you learn to stop destroying life out of ignorance.

          Every sinful action is associated with disease, suffering and death.

          If you want to live, all you have to do is to ask Jehovah to save you with all your heart and soul and mind. Then have convictions that you want to align with Jehovah’s Laws for life, and not listen to the emotional baggage in your mind.

          If you want eternal death, you have that as the reward of the gift of our ancestors who followed Satan’s ideas of “religion” and “good”..

          The Bible is the inerrant word of the Living God, Jehovah. It has the information to save you. Nothing else does. I know I have been to the most revered places on earth and they all Teach from the Bible. Even the Siddha Masters of India, a lineage that goes back 6000 years.

          • 12grace

            GoodScience.
            You are the voice of reason and understanding on this board.

        • 12grace

          It is good to have questions and research information about the Bible however, it seems you would greatly benefit from talking to a Bible scholar about your questions. You may find that your opinions really equate to questions and are not facts.

        • Who is Babylon the Great, NOW??

          Babylon is the massive world of false religions, lies and deception, indoctrination and that includes Christendom, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Evodelusionism (academic religion), fake science, nationalism, Judaism, some 200,000 plus sects that just keep babbling on, and all who lie to children for profits. And Christendom is the biggest prostitute of them all, making profits by association (fornicating) with governments since its conception all in the name of “Christ”. More deaths, rapes, are attributed to Christians than any other “creed” and that is not more clear now than ever. More war, killing and “causes” of death to other societies and religions. “Let’s go rape pillage and murder in order to save these other people, and while we are at it, let us take all their natural resources and riches for our holy government and our God”. This IS the legacy of the “church” on earth. Do you really want to associate with that, when all they do is lie about God to you.

          Jesus has Christendom in his target now, because it was written that the false religion of those representing “Christ” are particularly “first” on the list. Those who are paid to preach are very accountable to Jesus, because he clearly said He did away with all “teachers” and “rabbis” and not to call anyone “Father”, that we are all Brothers. “You cannot serve God and money”. You see Christ was very smart, and knows that money making is a great way to destroy any truth.

          So peer ministers who do not get paid to minister are the only allowable and acceptable congregation according to Jesus Christ the Lord of the New Kingdom about to arrive. .

          Guess who that congregation is? It is the fastest growing congregation on earth with volunteer ministers who only use the Bible and nothing else.

          The fact that churches are dropping like flies on RAID and even the government has abandoned them because the religions cannot pay off enough politicians any more. And utter immorality is far more profitable.

      • Eric

        I’m in exactly the same camp as you Ryan and I’ll share some of the reasons:
        1) Christianity does not deliver on its promises. Living life as proposed by the Christian message is supposed to bring peace, joy and love into your life, at a level not offered by any other practice of religion. It most emphatically does not. Instead, it leads to guilt, self-doubt, narcissism and ultimately to depression, which brings me to my next point.
        2) Christianity (read prayer) is supposed to be able to fix all of life’s problems. Angry or depressed? You need to pray more. Having a disaster in your relationship or job? Just pray. This clearly doesn’t do anything except bring more focus to the problems and discourage any action upon the part of the petitioner, which can in turn make them worse, especially if those problems were brought on by the guilt and shame that this religion likes to shower upon all natural human needs and desires.
        3) Christianity has its focus on the wrong means for its stated goals. Most Christians will say they desire joy, well-being and success for themselves and others, but then go on to promulgate religious and political dogmas that run directly counter to those admirable aspirations. For example, the church I left is *still* actively struggling with equality for women in church roles and family life, despite every evidence that women offered opportunities to do take on more responsibility and have successful careers are thriving. This is because a central theme within Christianity is submission to authority in every aspect of life: government, society, church and home. I think we can all agree that actively suppressing the free intelligence, creativity and personal growth of half the population is going to undermine the well-being of everyone concerned.
        This is only for a start; I could go on for pages. Maybe I’ll write a book. 🙂

        • Gravity

          Look at the health, well being and lives of children these days in America….

          • Vaughn Bang

            Yes, thanks to science and the dying off of religion we actually live in the most peaceful time in history with the least wars, crime and discrimination is dropping or being faced head on now without religion pushing for the hate. Your magical sky zombie is not coming back, it was all a scam to fleece and control you. Get over it.

          • Gravity

            Wow, such hatred in your voice over a “magical sky zombie”. My relationship with the Creator has very little to do with organized religion. As for “the most peaceful times in history” …torturing, beheadings, terrorist attacks, invading armies (Crimea, now Syria), Chinese military build up in the Pacific…..

          • Vaughn Bang

            You either are young and do not remember how bad things were, or your religious confirmation bias tells you were are all doomed to live up to the self-fullfilling end times prophecy you all need to prove anything in that book. In other words a death cult. Seriously though, we live in the most peaceful times ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbuUW9i-mHs Please stop spreading religious fear. Its’s abusive to younger generations that are trying to move beyond such dark times and superstitious thinking that breeds ignorance and hatreds.

          • Scott

            Clearly the message of Christianity is love and forgiveness to all equally. Listening to your hatred, posted here to antagonize people you feel are inferior to you only proves how much we still need this message today. This kind of crass bullying has been around for centuries and quite frankly is what keeps real Christianity in business by proving the need people still have in the hearts to love each other. I truly hope you find the peace you are looking for.

          • oikos

            “Clearly the message of Christianity is love and forgiveness to all equally.”
            Tell that to all the gay and transgendered people in this country who are so ‘loved’ that young ones regularly kill themselves due to the message from Christianity to them.

          • MSM sex is known to be a disease. I has the highest rates of anal and bowel cancer 1700% more cancers than hetero’s, HIV. 11% of homos have AIDS (vs .007% heteros) and another 20% of that is HIV positive.
            Being a male homo is about the same danger as being a Christian in Iraq. Both need to change. One needs to move the other needs to stop sharing spit and shit with diseased men.

            Is this what you call love.

            Young men in San Francisco are going blind as never before from syphilis.

            Is that your idea of love.

            The loving thing to do is to stop them from killing themselves.

            They know what they do is wrong or they would not be suicidal. I have had many “queer” friends over my life, and all of them were mentally ill.

            This does not excuse whores, male or female who have sex with many men or women and get diseases and suffer from horrible mental illnesses.

            The CDC has issued Bible rules for safe sex.

            According to the CDC “safe sex” is only between monogamous couples, tested clean of diseases, who do not cheat and don’t kiss anyone else on the mouth. There is only one way to protect the children of the future from the devastation we see already in genetically caused diseases from fetal mutations at conception.

            This is the ONLY SAFE SEX.

            “Consistent and correct use of male latex condoms can reduce (though not eliminate) the risk of STD transmission. To achieve the maximum protective effect, condoms must be used both consistently and correctly. Inconsistent use can lead to STD acquisition because transmission can occur with a single act of intercourse with an infected partner. Similarly, if condoms are not used correctly, the protective effect may be diminished even when they are used consistently. The most reliable ways to avoid transmission of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), *are to abstain from sexual activity or to be in a long-term mutually monogamous relationship with an uninfected partner*. However, many infected persons may be unaware of their infections because STDs are often asymptomatic or unrecognized.”

            This article was posted because of the ineffectiveness of condoms, even all the free condoms, because people are ignorant and seem to be compulsive about not understanding the nature of these pathogens.

            http://www.cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/latex.htm

            The diseases that can be transmitted by just skin contact are several viral infections and many bacterial infections. Kissing is a perfect way to get HPV, causing oral cancer, Herpes, and there are unknown STD’s because new viruses are emerging all the time. Even sex professionals will NEVER KISS anyone, never give oral sex without latex between them and the object.

            http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/family_ties_not_condoms_protect_teens_health

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/

            http://www.ivillage.com/forums/health-fitness/sexual-health-reproduction/sexual-health/sexual-health-well-being/i-have-unknown-std-help

          • Boreal

            It would seem in addition to posting links to junk science, you think about man on man love quite a bit. Most phobes are secretly enamored of other men. Next.

          • I don’t think about sex as anything but what it is.

            I am a scientist and all this data is available for anyone to find.

            Do you like to see young men going blind from second stage syphilis? And the new strains soon will have no cures as these microorganisms are now rapidly becoming antibiotic resistant.

            Maybe you need to have a gay son who goes blind or dies before you realize humans are killing themselves with addictions and compulsions.

            http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/cdc-official-we-re-seeing-epidemic-syphilis-among-gay-men

          • Boreal

            If you were a scientist you would have answered my questions about what accredited constitution of higher learning you earned your PhD from and what credible peer reviewed journals you’re published in. Since you haven’t, you are merely a hack (and not a very good one at that) and a liar.

          • Scott

            Sorry I have not been on this board for a long time and the message seems to have digressed greatly! That being said I just saw this and I want to honor your point. The way love and acceptance is transferred from a Christian to ANYONE with different beliefs is sadly often very flawed. While no two people will agree on everything it should be up Christian’s to “turn the other check” and rather than attack others who attack us we should serve and love them. While we can articulate a different understanding on certain topics that should not get in the way of showing love to and serving others who believe very differently. Loving others should not be dependent on them agreeing with us on everything (or anything for that matter). When we fail to live up to this we fail to live up to our own religion and beliefs.

          • Boreal

            Then xtians are a major fail. This is why non-religious is the fastest growing demographic. We’re tired of hate, vitriol, judgement and proselytizing.

          • Scott

            In fairness non-religious is the fastest growing not based on total numbers but on percentage as it had a decidedly smaller base to start from. Either way as I said before Christianity is made up of the same flawed people as all of humanity. When we fail to let God’s love change our actions we fail our own beliefs and fail at being Christ-like (which is the literal translation of Christian.) In my beliefs though all humanity is fortunate that in the end God prevails where mankind fails.

          • Boreal

            There is no god. If there is or was explain children starving to death, genocide and the host of other things humanity suffers from. If god existed he would either be impotent or a cruel monster. Love and morality do not spring from belief in fairy tales. Much of the evil from human actions is rooted in religious nonsense.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0fd6aaf11695f5804a5426a64ac487b6f74d25279d76e50bc3e0a9bdce0d8df3.jpg in fairy tales but from empathy and compassion

          • Scott

            Interesting quote by Wood Vanzandt Oikos but as you must know it is totally inaccurate. The 20th century is a literally bloodbath on expressedly nonreligious people persecuting others – often religeos folks. Mao”s revolution, Stalins great terror and Hitlers Nietzsche loving philosophy. Those numbers account for almost 100,000,000 deaths between them. Do you endorse that? Is that representative of what atheism is all about? Well I don’t endorse people using religion as a cover to attack those they hate either nor do I find it represents a real relationship with God in any way.

          • Boreal

            So why didn’t your gawd stop Mao or Stalin? Your argument is total BS and VanZandt is wholly accurate. Get back to me when you have proof of your tinpot gawd.

          • Scott

            Oikos I have tried to talk with you about valid points and you don’t acknowledge those. Clearly the truth of the 20th century is obvious to any historian or those of who lived then. If you won’t acknowledge historical truth why are you even discussing religion? If you want to antagonize and argue fair enough, it’s your life. If you want to talk and discuss then have an open mind. You are clearly more close minded than those your criticize and I honestly feel sad for you. Not because you don’t believe in God but because you don’t care about people, sharing ideas, looking at other viewpoints, empathy, or even being civil. It’s like listening to Trump. You have been on this Earth for less than 100 hundred years and yet you alone conclusively have the answers to all life’s great questions which you fervently state as facts. If you honestly want to listen and discuss God I will be happy to. You will see in my post I acknowledge all sides of the argument and the clear problems with religion as well as the upsides. If you want to antagonize about something you aren’t going to listen to don’t waste everyone’s time. Life is short why waste yours trying to start arguments?

          • Boreal

            You are an apologist for a fairy tale. There is nothing to discuss about ‘god’ in a context other than one would discuss the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus. If the religulous spent a fraction of the time they do on religion, doing something useful, the world would be a better place. Fairy Tales are entertainment for children, not something to base life’s decisions on. Other viewpoints (valid ones) are based upon reality, not imaginary friends.

          • Scott

            So Oikos what I hope for you is joy and happiness. Clearly the non-God approach is not providing this for you and I am sorry about that. As for Mao, Hitler, and Stalin what is you feeling on why they did what they did? Clearly they were not driven by what you claim are the delusional forces of belief in God that are the cause of all trouble in the world. So where do you attribute the sources of their genocide? How do you personally philosophically account for it? Was it justified – they felt so -or a crime against humanity? Does might make right and we should weed out the week? I am interested in your take – as God does not exist in your mind then let’s leave Him or Her out of it. What does Oikos think when she/he is not blaming religion – I honestly would love to know your viewpoint?

          • Boreal

            How typical of a xtian to equate reason with unhappiness. Nice false narrative. I’m quite happy in my life but quite unwilling to let religious mumbo jumbo continue to go unchallenged.
            People who kill others are either sociopaths or severely mentally ill. Mental illness and religion go hand in hand with the afflicted both willing to accept delusional behavior as a norm. If you believe in magic apples, talking snakes, virgin births and imaginary friends then you are delusional. The xtian belief that you get to go to some magic place when you die and that somehow you can be absolved of all responsibility for action here in the real world makes it easy for feeble minds to think they can do whatever they want.
            Dictators care little whether you believe religious nonsense or not. Their goal is power at any cost. Another false narrative that somehow because they rejected your imaginary friend, that made them evil. They tend toward sociopathy. While there have been religious dictators, most of the evil from religion comes from its dogma and followers. For the reasons stated above: being absolved of responsibility.
            No one needs religion to know right from wrong, merely empathy. Religion fosters a continuing immaturity in mankind and is a relic of the past. Those who can reason and think for themselves need no ‘god’ to derive morality from.

          • Scott

            I was not equating reason with unhappiness. I was equating rudeness and disrespect for others with unhappiness. Unless you feel it makes you happy to be rude and disrespectful and then there are obviously deeper issues here. As for reason clearly two different sane, intelligent, logical, well educated people can use reason to arrive at two different conclusions. Why do we have good intelligent people as Democrats, Independents, and Republicans, economist that predict the market will go up and those that predict it will go down, scientist that debate multiple theories? Is there only one right conclusion to every argument of reason? If so who decides…you…Trump (who argues like you)? “People that kill others are either sociopaths or severely mentally ill” I generally agree with that. You then say that goes hand in hand with religion and a belief in God which none of these folks had. Sorry but that is a failed argument. Clearly you are very intelligent so I am sure you know that but repeat it anyway. That being said these people clearly used their perceived superiority, paired it with a hatred for specific people and/or religions, demonized them, and then acted on it. My point is that you are walking very close to the same slippery slope. You may feel religion is dangerous and you have to be bold to counter it but if you don’t care about the people you are trying to help you are creating worse problems. I am all for reason but you need to add love to it. Without love and empathy for other side you ignore strong arguments, you ignore weakness in your points, and become a demagogue (regardless of what side of the argument you are on.) “No one needs religion to know right from wrong, merely empathy.” Do you have that empathy because you are not displaying it yet. If you do not by your own definition you don’t fully know right from wrong because you are blinded by anger.

          • Boreal

            Thanks for the lecture. Typical of xtianists. I have plenty of empathy without needing fairy tales to tell me right from wrong. I just have little tolerance for cults that spread indoctrination derived from bronze age savages while living in the 21st century. Meanwhile these same cults part rubes from their money to support con artists and charlatans. Nice tactic comparing me to drumpf but I am a liberal and voting for Hillary. I notice drumpf is endorsed by the main representatives of the xtian grifting scam: Robertson, Graham, etc. “According to a Pew Research Foundation study (conducted before Trump announced his choice of Pence), white evangelicals overwhelmingly support Trump, with 78 percent saying that they would vote for him. ” 7/13/16. How many atheists are supporting drumpf?
            What proof can your provide of your ‘god’? Have a recent photo?
            BTW in your list of murderous despots, you forgot Hitler, a professed christian who was aided and abetted by the RC Pope.

          • Scott

            Oikos thanks for clarifying that you are both angry and intolerant. Clearly your empathy only extends to those like you (by the way, not empathy by it’s very definition). I am not sure you understand love or empathy. You broad brush all folks who have any religion – much less acknowledge differences that truly exists inside particular religions. At least you do not pretend otherwise. Glad you appreciated the lecture sadly you earned it.

            As for a photo of God I do not have one. I also do not have a photo of the wind but clearly I believe in it’s existence based on the impact it has on me and the things around me. I would suggest two reasonable people can disagree on this but I doubt you would buy into that notion.

            In the meantime I will yield the floor to you and sign off. Clearly you will post a last word as that must seem like a redeeming value to you. I honestly do wish you a more hopeful, peaceful, and loving future. I hope you are able to be more open minded and introspective in the future as well. You are the reason I have hope in a God.

          • Boreal

            Enjoy your delusions.

          • So, you are Gay. There is a cure, but only for people who want life more than some guys butt to shove one’s penis in and get sick from the tremendious numbers of diseases created by putting penises in feces. Being Gay is a compulsive disorder as is being a sex addict of any sort. It runs your life and causes diseases and death.

            Young men right now are going blind from second and third stage syphilis and there are new strains of both syphilis and gonorrhea that do not respond to most antibiotics. This is because of the mutations found in bacteria and viruses. By the way there are no cures for most all the viral infections, and gay men have 1700% more anal and bowel cancer from infected diseased sex. If you cared about Gay people you would want them to be healthy and live free from anger and fear. 12% of Gay men have AIDS and at least 20% more are infected with HIV virus. So that less than 0.5% of the population has 52% of the aids and 90% of the syphilis. This is just two of the diseases plagues, in this lifestyle. The most deadly lifestyle on the planet is to be “worshiped”. I don’t think so. The only choice many have after leaving that lifestyle is celibacy and many are doing that in order to live.

          • You have no ability to see, what is obvious.

            However: “The obvious (the Truth) is not obvious until it becomes obvious.”

            When your children start dying before you do, maybe that will give you a clue how messed up this world is. Your blinders are very large.

          • You live with blinders on. We have the most violence in the streets now. We have the most diseases in children that never existed before the 1900’s. We have massive retardation with 40% of high school seniors who cannot read nor write above the 5th grade level.

            We are number 29 in science in the world, behind even India.

          • Yes is it pretty horrible what is going on with children today.

            Cancer is now the number one disease killer of children ages 1 to 15

            Second is genetic deformity; wrong coding of genes making organs and body parts.

            Third is congenital heart disease 1 in 120 now.

            Considering that all forms of genetic defects and diseases have risen over 1000% in 100 years and our average life expectancy has been reduced by the death rates of these diseases. The government is not going to tell you the truth about this, because it would cause a revolution. All of this is directly associated with the spread of reproductive diseases giving viral infections to our first cells at the germ line level of conception.

             Between 1997 and 2004, hospitalization rates increased by 28.5% for cardiac and circulatory congenital anomalies.

            That is a REAL 128% rise in heart defects at birth in 7 years, equates to 4% rise per year.

            There is also a death or mortality rise of 4 % per year in babies 0 to 4 years old in the population of the USA.

            So it is up by over 200% since 1981 and up 128% in the last 7 years. It is accelerating in the rise of this form of suffering and death.

            =======================================

            Julien I.E. Hoffman, MD, FACC ,

            Roberta Christianson, MAcorrespondence

            Received: January 30, 1978; Received in revised form: May 24, 1978; Accepted: May 24, 1978;

            Abstract

            The Child Health and Development Studies are longitudinal studies of pregnancy and the normal and abnormal development of the offspring. Women who were members of the Kaiser Foundation Health Plan entered the study in early pregnancy, and their children were examined frequently until the youngest child in the study was 5 years old. This is a more intensive follow-up than hitherto reported.

            Of the 19,044 live-born children, 163 had definite and another 31 had possible congenital heart disease; the crude incidence rates per 1,000 live births were 8.8 for definite congenital heart disease and 10.4 for definite plus possible congenital heart disease. The incidence rate of congenital heart disease was 7.9 percent among all stillborn fetuses subjected to autopsy and 10.2 percent among those in this group with autopsies evaluated as being detailed enough to detect heart disease. Among the live-born children with congenital heart disease, 21 died in the neonatal period and 22 died in later infancy and childhood; about half the deaths were judged to have been due to heart disease. About 30 percent of the children with congenital heart disease had associated severe anomalies of other systems. In the whole cohort, 50 children had diagnosed chromosomal abnormalities (Math Eq) and about 30 percent of them had congenital heart disease. Among the group of 163 children with definite congenital heart disease, the diagnosis was made in 46 percent by age 1 week, in 88.3 percent by age 1 year and in 98.8 percent by age 4 years.

            ============================================================

            CONGENITAL HEART DISEASE: PREVALENCE AT LIVEBIRTH

            THE BALTIMORE-WASHINGTON INFANT STUDY

            CHARLOTTE FERENCZ1, JUDITH D. RUBIN1, ROBERT J. MCCARTER1, JOEL I. BRENNER2, CATHERINE A. NEILL3, LOWELL W. PERRY4, SEYMOUR I. HEPNER5 and JOHN W. DOWNING5

            +Author Affiliations

            Abstract

            The Baltimore-Washington Infant Study is a regional epidemiologic study of congenital heart disease. Among infants born in the study area in 1981 and 1982, 664 had a diagnosis of congenital heart disease confirmed in the first year of life by echocardiography, cardiac catheterization, cardiac surgery, or autopsy. The prevalence rate was 3.7/1,000 livebirths for all cases and 2.4/1,000 livebirths for cases confirmed by invasive methods only. Diagnosis-specific prevalence rates of congenital heart disease are compared with those of eight previous case series. Changing diagnostic categorizations in the time span covered and methodological differences resulted in great variation of the data. However, the data of the New England infant Cardiac Program which used the same case discovery methods showed similar occurrences of major morphologic abnormalities, suggesting that these are stable basic estimates in the eastern United States. For all case series, the rate of confirmed congenital heart disease was approximately 4/1,000 livebirths over the 40-year time span.

            =====================================

            American Heart Association 2014

            Congenital Cardiovascular Defects (ICD/10 codes Q20-Q28) (ICD/9 codes 745-747)

             An estimated minimum of 32,000 infants are expected to be affected each year in the United States. Of these, an approximate 25%, or 2.4 per 1,000 live births, require invasive treatment in the first year of life.

             The most commonly reported incidence of congenital heart defects in the United States is between 4 and 10 per 1,000, clustering around 8 per 1,000 live births.

             Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM) is the most common inherited heart defect, occurring in 1 of 500 individuals. In the United States, about 500,000 people have HCM, yet most are unaware of it.

             Congenital cardiovascular defects are the most common cause of infant death resulting from birth defects; 27% of infants who die of a birth defect have a heart defect.

             The 2010 death rate attributable to congenital cardiovascular defects was 1.1. Death rates were 1.1 for white males, 1.4 for black males, 0.9 for white females, and 1.2 for black females. Infant mortality rates (<1 year of age) were 32.5 for white infants and 43.2 for black infants.

             Between 1997 and 2004, hospitalization rates increased by 28.5% for cardiac and circulatory congenital anomalies.

      • 12grace

        The church has it’s faults but the world’s faults are even greater!

        America was a Blessed nation when she relied on HIM. Now, America has turned their back on HIM and we see the results.

        I will pray for the people on this board that clearly don’t understand G-d or HIS precious word.

        I urge, all of you to open your hearts and minds and turn to HIM. Even if you don’t go to church, you can have a loving relationship with HIM.

    • Guest

      You’re an absolute moron. That is all.

      • oikos

        You have no cogent argument to make so you call him a moron. Religion is dying because of the ignorance of people like you who promote its bigotry and superstition.

        • Guest

          You’re an even bigger moron.

          • oikos

            Does your mother know you’re on the Internet unsupervised? Make sure you finish high school, your critical thinking and conversational skills are abysmal.

          • Guest

            I finished high school 30 years ago.
            You’re getting all the conversation you deserve, idiot.

    • The problem isn’t the Bible. It is religions and their utter BS about what the Bible actually is about and what it really teaches. I mean where in the Bible does it teach that a “god” who “loves” you is going to torture you in hell forever burning torture, for 60 years of mistakes? “The wages of sin is death”. No life no eternal soul is found in any scriptures.

      The Bible also predicts the genetic degradation of modern people. The average IQ is less than 84 in this world and it is declining rapidly.

      The Bible and Jesus predicted that right before Armageddon when this world would be renewed that Churches, the prostitutes fornicating with governments would be destroyed.

      George Carlin tells it like it is, but he was raised Catholic I think and so that is why he thinks the Bible has this crap in it. Churches have done more to destroy life on earth than any other “useful thing” used by tyrants.

      http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/

      • Warren

        The Bible also predicts the genetic degradation of modern people. The average IQ is less than 84 in this world and it is declining rapidly.

        Do you have a source for that? Because the median IQ is 100 (by definition; IQ is a relative measure).

          • Sharon37

            Im an African descended woman whose ancestors first taught spirituality to other nations that eventually corrupted their teachings. People like you speak for science as if it is an absolute truth when it actually is someone else interpretation of the natural world. The key component missing in science is spirituality. Because churches have corrupted what spirituality means doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Science will take you to the door but spirituality opens the door for you. You are correct that ego destroys the world and but ego drives science as well. Step back and look at both sides. Science and religion are two sides of the same coin. True learning doesn’t start until one reaches a high level of humility. Only then can the mind be cleared of ego to learn spiritual lessons. I use to question all the time why racism exist. Why slavery happened to our people. Why we are still abused even today. As I put ego aside, I realize that everything happens for a reason. Everything is a learning opportunity. The lower you fall the greater the rise. I understand to have spiritual growth you have to “walk through the fire”. And if the right lessons are learned, you can be transformed into something even greater than what you can imagine. I pray for all of the world that we seek out the Greater Universe and find peace, healing, and harmony within our souls. I don’t have all the answers but I know all of the answers to the Universe reside deep within me and everyday I seek to bring those truths forth in the hope that I can give something beautiful to myself and back to the world.

          • You have me mixed up with academic scientists who are full of garbage religious beliefs from Evodelusionsim, Communism, Racism, Greed, Lust, Anger, and the Death Cult that runs the world.

            Jehovah God is the CREATOR of the Science that I follow. It is called the truth as found in EVIDENCE. What is called the absolute obvious.

            Here is some evidence for you:

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2014/10/what-is-human-sin-and-where-is-it.html

          • All people are “abused” by this rotting system run by Satan. People of any race are treated badly by other people every day, especially if you are in the government, politics, corporate greedy world.

            http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2015/10/taking-baby-steps-to-get-free.html

          • Sharon37

            You are right everyone has been abused to varying degrees. You seem like someone who really has a heart for all of humanity and probably angry about what the world has become. But whatever you do please do not give up hope. People throw the word hope around as if it’s some small thing, a useful political slogan. But, hope is the only thing that’s keeping us from completely destroying ourselves and each other. The Universe works in cycles and checks and balances. The world as we know it at this moment will not last for eternity. All things changes and self corrects. The world is a beautiful place. Nature is beautiful. The people that reside on this blue and green planet are beautiful as well just a little broken. Everything is as it should be. Enjoy your life and please don’t give up hope on humanity. Something miraculous may happen that totally surprise you.

          • Boreal

            Are you still going on about your imaginary friend? Get a life.

          • Are you still worshiping death. You have disease, suffering and death as your goal in life.

            I have eternal life as my goal and to be creative for a very long time.

          • Boreal

            We’ll both be worm food and then dust in the cool moist earth. There is no magic afterlife. Deal with it, dipstick.

          • So, you are content with eternal death? Why not try for life?
            Without life you have nothing, are nothing, can not ever be anything.

            You think about it. I death really your goal? Do you like suffering from massive numbers of diseases in your genome that will kill you?

          • Boreal

            You are dumb as dirt. There are no imaginary friends who live in the sky and no magic afterlife.

          • According to your Creator’s Holy Words, you are dust and will return to dust, because of the imperfections put on us by our ancestors, starting with Adam and Eve.

            We can CLEARLY see the degradation process in humanity’s genome. It is obvious that humans had many more productive genes producing much healthier cells. We have lost over 44% of our once coding genes and have destroyed so much of our genome from living in ignorance of diseases, mental illnesses, compulsions, greed, lust, hate, anger, etc.

            If you want to be restored to health, in the coming new system of things, then you need to start now, by giving up all those disgusting diseases and handing them over to your Creator so that you may live.

            The concept of death does not exist in the human being. Because we were never intended to die.

            Ecclesiastes 3:11
            11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish.

          • Boreal

            Speak for yourself. It is not my creator. I I don’t believe in fairy tales. Your post is dismissed as nonsense. Seek help for mental illness.

          • There is ONLY one True God and His Name is Jehovah, or Yehovah in Hebrew.

            Science and all the evidence is what brought me to know Jehovah.

            Every scientifically testable statement in the Bible is 100% accurate. … Right down to the molecular bases of humans.

            The Truth can set you free, and give you life.

          • Boreal

            No god exists. Dismissed for unprovable nonsense.

          • What evidence do you have for your ignorance?

            All of the greatest minds of science were believers in God.

            Because it takes intelligence to see the massive INTELLIGENCE that put all this together.

          • Boreal

            Citations from credible peer reviewed scientific journals needed for your unprovable nonsense. Dismissed.

          • There are over 20,000,000 peer articles stating reality on humans and our degraded and stupid condition.

            I have read over 45,000 of them, and consulted with over 500 MD’d, PhD’s,students,geneticists, and many people in science. There is no evidence for “evolution” and only huge data bases on genetic degradation and extinction.

            Here is all the evidence we have on human “evolution”:

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/04/are-humans-getting-better-what-is.html

          • Boreal

            You’ve read nothing and provided no credible citations. Your own fact free blog does not count. You lack credentials and spout garbage. Dismissed for lying again.

          • I gave you over 20,000,000 peer studies on this. How much more do you need to get some understanding of evidence based science.

            You stupid, poorly educated, fools will NEVER look at evidence. Science denial is a disease.

          • Boreal

            Absolute nonsense, unsupported by any data. Dismissed.

          • All the greatest minds that science stands on were CREATIONISTS and had a firm understanding that God created this universe.

            The father of modern physics was a creationist.

            “Coincidence is God’s way of remaining anonymous.” Albert Einstein

            “Black holes are where God divided by zero.” Albert Einstein

            “God did not create evil. Just as darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of God.” Albert Einstein

            “God does not play dice with the universe.” Albert Einstein

            “My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.” Albert Einstein

            “The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.” Albert Einstein

            “Got always takes the simplest way.” Albert Einstein

            “That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.” Albert Einstein

            “I am a deeply religious nonbeliever – this is a somewhat new kind of religion.” Albert Einstein

            “What really interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation of the World.” Albert Einstein

            “It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.” Albert Einstein

            “It is very difficult for people to overcome their brainwashing. I know I have watched this all of my life in people who have the most screwed up beliefs.” James Arjuna

            “Just realize that if you don’t have any absolutely clear obvious physical evidence for your beliefs, you are considered to be delusional.” James Arjuna

            “Inference, opinions from faith, and projections of belief and wearing blinders so you don’t look at any obviously clear evidence that shows the truth, is considered to be the common delusions of mankind.” James Arjuna

            Rising atheism is directly proportional to the rise of mental retardation from mutations. In other words intelligence seeks out creationism as OBVIOUS and retards cannot comprehend complex ideas. “Dumb and Dumber: Study Says Humans Are Slowly Losing Their Smarts
            Stanford geneticist,Dr Gerald Crabtree says “humans evolving into dumber species.”

            “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”

            “The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits.”

            “Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school.”

            ― Albert Einstein

          • Boreal

            Rubbish.

          • So, absolutely irrefutable physical evidence is of no concern to you?

            And you have absolutely no interest in living?

            Why is death so attractive to you? Is your life THAT bad?

            All you have to look forward to is diseases (as you have now), suffering (as you have now) and death as is your death sentence forever.

            Is that what you really want? Is your hate for God that great?

          • Boreal

            You’ve provided no evidence for your imaginary friend and as someone who actually works in the sciences, your nonsense is laughable. There is no god, nor evidence for such an imaginary friend as you describe. Since my work is to educate others on the sciences, I have no more time to spend on someone such as yourself who obviously needs treatment for mental illness. Thus you are dismissed and blocked. Good bye.

          • I pity you.

          • You are digging your own pile of misconceptions and do it with emphasis

          • You are digging your own pile of misconceptions and do it with emphasis

          • Proverbs 24:20
            20 For there is no future for anyone evil;
            The lamp of the wicked will be extinguished.

          • the Lamp of everybody will be extinguished, we will now use LED lights

          • the Lamp of everybody will be extinguished, we will now use LED lights

          • You don’t have any evidence

          • I have researched this for over 45 years. I am a classical trained scientist….. EVIDENCE ONLY scientist; something you are not familiar with.

            Here is ALL and I mean all the evidence we have on human “evolution”:

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/04/are-humans-getting-better-what-is.html

            Not one qualified scientist has ever “debunked” this data, because it comes directly from peer science and not from magical fairy tales with no evidence.

            If you had any evidence for your stupid religion, you would show it. I think that, now, 20,000,000 peer studies that only show genetic loss and degradation tells the truth.

          • You don’t have any evidence

          • ALL of the EVIDENCE demonstrates that Jehovah God is a human invention

          • Basically, you are OK with disease, suffering and death as your outcome and the outcome for all those around you. That seems to be the outcome for many retarded modern degraded humans, incapable of understanding the complexity of life.

          • Perhaps you know somebody who’s escaped death? Have him email me

          • If you hate life that much, then there is no point in disguising life with you.

            Without life, you are nothing, have nothing, become nothing. Your extremely short life has no meaning at all, and is worthless. Why do you even want to live? There is no meaning to your life, because all you really want is death. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would think that death was good?

            Revelation 21:4
            4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

          • Perhaps you know somebody who’s escaped death? Have him email me

          • Basically, you are OK with disease, suffering and death as your outcome and the outcome for all those around you. That seems to be the outcome for many retarded modern degraded humans, incapable of understanding the complexity of life.

          • ALL of the EVIDENCE demonstrates that Jehovah God is a human invention

          • Boreal

            Dismissed. Nonsense.

          • The TRUTH from Jehovah God through the gift of Grace and the sacrifice of God’s only Son, Jesus Christ, is the ONLY and final path to spiritual, mental, physical, and emotional freedom from disease, suffering and death. To accept death as normal is in itself a disease.

            I am an EVIDENCE ONLY SCIENTIST. I do not believe in anything if it is not backed by evidence. Most of what people call science is not based on evidence, but on human weakness and fear. The fear of reality because in our hearts we do not want to see the intense suffering and emotional diseases of humans. Blinders to the Truth is what is called Academic Science. And Academics have no authority on science. The evidence is the only authority, because the evidence shows the Truth.

            Every life science statement in the Bible is accurate, right down to the molecular basis of life on earth. This means that Jehovah God was protecting the genome (the very essence of existence) of the Jews so that the Messiah could be born.

            The Jews were living for 70 to 80 years as AVERAGE, not like now where 40% are dead by the age of 64 in the USA even with all the vaccines, surgery, drugs, antibiotics. This is because Jehovah God was directing them. The Creator gave them knowledge that was unknown and not discovered for nearly 3000 years. We know now that God’s plan was to get the Savior Born and he used the Jews and put them in extreme hardship in this process, as well as gave them bounty when they follow Jehovah’s laws.

            The same today. This idea of “spirituality” is indeed good, if you follow what your Creator teaches in the Bible, not the stupid religions of the world who have no clue what the Bible actually shows. The Bible is only revealed when Jehovah calls you to the Truth.

            Getting rid of “ego” means to be humble and surrender to your Creator, Jehovah. The only direct communication we have with God is in his Word as preserved in the Bible. God’s word has the power to fix us and remove all suffering. We know we are in the last days because all of the prophesies in the Bible about the end of all evil are coming true right now.

            2 Timothy 3:1-5: “In the last days . . . , men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power.”

            God will remove all evil from the earth and very soon. There is not much time to get right with God.

            Psalm 37: 10 Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more;
            You will look at where they were,
            And they will not be there.
            11 But the meek will possess the earth,
            And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

            Jehovah will get rid of diseases, suffering and death and restore life on earth as it was intended, before humans decided to play “god”.

            Revelation 21:4
            And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

      • Guest777

        You’re right, the Bible does NOT teach we will burn in hell fire and it does not teach the trinity doctrine. It DOES teach that false religion (Babylon the Great) will be devastated and that right before false religion is devastated, her “waters would dry up” or numbers would dwindle: kind of like how the river Euphrates dried up (Revelation 16:12) and Babylon’s defenses were let down by the Persians (Darius the Mede and Cyrus) so that they could conquer Babylon. One thing you are missing is that even the governments at Armageddon will be destroyed because God’s Kingdom will replace them and the mild-tempered or meek will inherit the earth. Daniel 2:44, Matthew 5:5

        I can understand how many are soured by religion today too, and this is simply because of what Jesus said would happen: apostate christian’s would grow as weeds along with the wheat until the harvest or judgement. (Matthew 13:24-30). Also, there is only ONE group of true Christians doing the work Jesus commanded them to do on a worldwide scale at Matthew 28:19-20. That’s us: Jehovah’s Witnesses. jw.org

    • I doubt very much that the truth from medical science will have any effects on you, your mind is set on cultivation of diseases and trying not to take any blame for you actions that destroy life and the lives of all your children.

      There is nothing funny about a Book that can save the lives of people. It is a wonderful book full of extremely HIGH intelligence when it comes to life sciences and health.

      There now are 120,000,000 cases of STD’s in the USA. Most are in young women ages 13 to 24. 1 in 3.5 teen age girls are infected right now, most of them do not know it, because many STD’s are asymptomatic. They either look like something else or they have no symptoms until you start going blind or are in sever pain from these diseases taking over. The CDC has completely concluded that the only safe sex is a monogamous relationship free from infections, where you don’t sodomize (put human shit on one’s penis)..They published this because of the complete ineffectiveness of the phony condom program that proves condoms do not protect against the most common STD’s.

      Infected conception damages fetuses.

      MSM sex is proven beyond all doubts to be the most dangerous life style for one’s health next to being a Christian in Iraq. 1700% more anal and bowel cancer. 11% of them are infected with HIV AIDS. VS .007% of heterosexuals.

      Every rule in the Bible is 100% accurate when it comes to saving babies lives and your life from disease.

      Jehovah is the God of Life and Love, that is why he gave those rules to us. I can explain them to you using modern medical research on all of them.

      A recent study by the chief Doctor on female infections, Dr Jeanne Marrazzo, on circumcision has shown a 40% reduction in bacterial vaginoses in women who have sex with circumcised men. . This has led to the World Health Organization “Circumcision Vans” traveling around Africa offering free services to curtail AIDS.

      Childhood cancer which has almost no statistics in the 1800’s now has risen to the number one disease killer of children, (From this infected reproduction,) This represents a 4000 to 6000% rise in this disease since the mid 1800’s.

      Cancer was considered to be an old person’s disease for a long time. The fastest rates of cancer is in unborn babies with spinal and brain tumors. Babies not even out of the womb with cancer. Up 300% in 40 years.

      The second most rapid rising disease causing is genetic deformity, (This is not in “third world countries” either, the USA. IN Africa babies born with genetic defects are now more common than not.)

      The third is congenital heart disease up some 200% in just the last 30 years.

      You see infected reproduction causes viruses to find host cells in the zygote and mutate them. Some of them will reverse transcript and are easy to see. Others don’t transcript at all, they simply knock out parts of the DNA.

      Humans have less than 100 years left (according to the statistics on disease and mental retardation) ; because of this lack of understanding life sciences that are clearly 100% accurate in the Bible because they were given by our Creator. Jehovah has tried many times to correct humans and their genetic suicide from sexual immorality and compulsions , murder, rape, pedophilia, hate, war, politics, nationalism, greed, and just plain rotting behavior.

      If you don’t support the Bible’s rules for life and to love one another, then you must support the opposite; disease, suffering and death. There is no gray area when it comes to life sciences and the cause of all human suffering.

      I would say from my 44 years of investigation on this that sexual immorality is the number one cause of human diseases.

      Second is this idea that humans can eat anything and cultivate all sorts of new infections. We now have some 17,000 genetic diseases, and some 10,000 pathogens that humans have developed in total ignorance of life sciences.

      Jehovah forbid the Jews from eating pigs. It was not because of trichinosis. Jehovah knows that humans and pigs share DNA in our cells and that a human virus finds similar host cells (receptors for the virus to enter the cells). Cultivating pigs gave rise to the “Swine Flue” that killed over 100,000,000 people and today all the new strains continue to be cultivated by human ignorance of this accurate life science. That “Christmas” ham is killing us. Every year we get new versions of the Swine Flue, mostly coming out of China.

      Bird flue is a result of cultivating pigs and chickens in the same area as humans. That is disastrous thinking.

      After deep study into humans and their diseases and the history of diseases, It is clear that humans are out of control and have no idea what they are doing. Sexual compulsions is a disease, mental illness, is now one of the fastest rising results of this behavior. The more we pass on diseases to our children, the faster we go extinct.

      Now these diseases are rising almost logarithmic base 10 scale every 10 years.

      Now we have 1 in 9 babies born in the USA with serous genetic diseases that have to have life long treatments and they are living shorter lives.

      Women in the USA are dying about 5 years younger than their mothers.
      40% of High School students cannot pass and English proficiency test , nor can they do simple check book math. They do not qualify for any college, except to take remedial reading and math classes.

      Modern (obviously retarded) MD’s are killing more people now than a 747 crashing every day and yet nobody is complaining about this. Number three cause of death in the USA is Death by Doctor. They even give it a new “disease name”.

    • 12grace

      The real reason Millennials have stopped going to church and believing in HIS word is that they have been indoctrinated. They don’t know the love of Christ and they would rather play video games than study the Bible.

    • 12grace

      You are so wrong, Ryan.

      Turn from the lies and wickedness you are now embracing. And go back to our, Father.

      Our discussion has concluded.

  • Guest

    I wrote a blog about this very issue titled :Church – Evolve OR Dissolve read here..www.TheTheoSphere.com

    • Hawthorne Timms

      Basically, Millenials understand that most of what the religions bring to the table is a demand for the modern person to be intellectually dishonest.

      It was easy to accept what people wrote about god, miracles, demons, etc hundreds and thousands of years ago. Nobody had the concepts of human rights we have developed today – so the moral bullying and power-based compulsion that came from threatening eternal punishment and the like kept people in line. Further, scientific thought and an understanding of just how the universe works is a recent development. So, people of those days can be forgiven, in some way, for their acceptance of malarkey.

      However, to do so now – to accept that demons, ghosts, spirits are running about, taking over people’s souls (or taking over pigs and throwing them off a cliff;), that corpses of saints rose out of the ground and strolled around Jerusalem when Jesus died; that God stopped the sun in the sky an extra 12 hours or so in order that his armies could slaughter another army – well, that kind of “faith” or acceptance requires an intellectual dishonesty from the modern, educated person of today.

  • TheTheoSphere

    Want to save your fellowship? Time to adapt. The advent of a global Theospheric Neurological Network is evolving through the understanding, development and application of ministry metrics. Ministry metrics is the science and process of discovering true or accurate value(s) within a spiritual community in order to solve optimization gaps utilizing big data technology. This technology can be compared to the invention of the printing press as far as impact goes. Truth be told, applying big data technology within a spiritual context changes the depth of relationships never quantified before and it will happen quicker than most people think. read more http://www.thetheosphere.com

  • world freedom

    The Internet now exist a place for people to stand against you and explain why faith is bad for people you can’t go anywhere on the Internet without being ridiculed by the people who are correct as people become more and more entertained by the Internet your attendance will drop even faster and faster.
    the atheists shall win is only a matter of time.
    only the truly ignorant unable to let go of the past will remain going to your churches.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvg3mRZXut4 Aronra

    Falsehoods of Creationism

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmQZ4f9f_Yw

    To comment that saying there are no transitional species

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKxRe0hAQmg

    to people who want to read the real bible

    http://www.amazon.com/Skeptics-Annotated-Bible-Steve-Wells-ebook/dp/B00I76ROXK/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=&qid=

    For people wondering what God actually is
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j8ZMMuu7MU&list=PLECD9ACF9D6F1F8FF&index=27

    Evidence
    against a recent creation

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_against_a_recent_creation

    http://uath.org/download/literature/Richard.Dawkins.The.Blind.Watchmaker.pdf

    Jesus is literally the bread http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation

    • Guest

      FAIL

      • LaDiablaBlanca

        The only thing that fails is Christianity. 4000 churches close a year. What a worthless religion.

    • The times are very short for you to save yourself. If you want life, and love life on this beautiful earth you have to learn to know your Creator.

      Traditional religions are utter failures. We can see that in the fact that they join armies, go to war and kill other Christians. The only purpose for religion in the past as it was created was to serve the emperor, king, or government.

      The highest numbers of Diseased teenagers is in the Bible Belt. They have the most STD’s because they do not follow any of the rules for clean health.

      Pagan Christian Religions have been used for nothing but killing, hate, and division by greedy politicians. Now they use Evodelusionism as the mythological religion of today to make weak fodder for corporations .

      Jesus promised to destroy them right before the end of this rotten system of human greed, diseases, suffering and death.

      You can see that about 8000 churches are closing every year and that is not fast enough for me. These greedy preachers, pedophiles, and sex addicts are not allowed in any Christian congregation according to the Bible. There are no paid clergy, no clergy, no class system no money made for preaching what the Bible really teaches. Greed and political power is all religion was and now that it has no political power, the politicians are abandoning any association with religion.

      If you want to understand what the Bible really teaches I am your best bet for now. If you want to live, that is.

      Why would you worship a guy like AronRa, who is a hateful bitter alcoholic. Is that your idea of “salvation”.

      Otherwise you have attained your inherited diseases and death from your family and will never be healed from them.

      It is a matter of eternal life, if you love life enough you would seek it. Or eternal death that you already earned by being born in this rotting system of genetic diseases, suffering and death.

      Friday, September 26, 2014

      The Delusional Nonsense of Academia

      I am hoping for your sake that you wake up from this delusional nonsense that you believe.

      This is the Evotard Creed and Oath:

      1/ We Evotards believe that dead extinct hominids degraded and went extinct are human ancestors. By magical processes and mystical causes,somehow these dead apes that were wiped off the planet, were resurrected and evolved into “modern” humans.

      2/ We only look at fossils that have never been seen living or even have a living relative, In spite of the fact that we have 90% of the now living or recently extinct, non bird, vertebrates as fossils and the farther back you go you see higher fitness for survival, We Evotards believe and take an oath that this shows evolution.

      3/ We Evotards believe in magical beneficial mutations, in spite of the fact that we don’t see any in over 10 million DNA studies on humans and other creatures. That all we see is genetic losses with speciation, lost genes, lost health and shorter lives. And some 1.5 million species already extinct and some 47000 now on the list to die out. We believe that extinction is “evolution” because our teachers tell us that.

      4/ The Religion of Evodelusionism is this idea that by magical processes and mystical causes slime turned into one celled creatures and humans evolved from fish, in spite of the fact there is NO evidence for this on this planet. But we must believe in spite of this fact that there is not even one tiny piece of physical evidence.

      5/ Evotards believe that there was this mystical time in the past where species and science operated differently, that the natural laws of science in some magical way were avoided (by the “Evotard Fairy of natural positive selection”) and that now we see no creatures evolving at all doesn’t matter, because we don’t live in the magical times of the past where the laws of science were “different”. Every myth starts out with “Long, Long ago, and far far away in the distant land of the Evotard fairy, bla bla bla……the primal soup, and the matrix of these amino acids that magically assembled themselves” and other such crap.

      6/ Evotards swear to sell wisdom teeth, appendix, tail atavism, thinner bones, and other genetic losses, atavism’s, and vestiges as some sort of “refining” or advancing increased evolution and that white people are the highest level of evolution on the planet. (It’s roots are based on some serious racism. Now with the advent of DNA, we can clearly see that white people cannot survive past about 15 to 25 years in the wild with no medical nor technology. I find that funny/sad, because when I took “evolution” classes the “homo erectus” cartoon was black, representing that blacks were “less evolved”. Now we see the new “homo erectus” cartoons have pink skin. Not only is that funny to me, is just shows how full of crap these people are. If it was the truth it would never change.)

      http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/04/are-humans-getting-better-what-is.html

      7/ Evotards change the etymological meanings of words that have been used for centuries and mean one basic meaning. What is the real definition of “evolution” as it has been for centuries.http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/04/what-is-real-definition-of-evolution.html

      8/ Evotards take an oath to operate on “Judyism”, the religion of Judy Tenuta, “It could happen.” (rather than any form of realism or truth) is the bases of all those religious slogans. As if they are willing it to happen by faith and belief.. All we see in actual evidence is genetic losses, degradation of health, leading to extinction. This is obvious to all those who simply look around and see how fast the genetic diseases are rising.

      The Oath:
      “ In the name of our god Darwin and our master of death worship, who owns us, Dawkins, we pray. So, we can spread diseases and destroy the lives of our offspring and all future generations from diseased, immoral, behavior as our ancestors did to us, we will continue to destroy the lives of our children.”

      Here is Richard Dawkins in all his glory:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UT3dfPOdAYU

      Here he is glorifying death as being so good!

      “We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones.” Richard Dawkins
      There is nothing lucky about dying. There is no one who looks forward to death even when they are “deathly” ill. If death is so good, then why don’t you follow your own advice, Richard, old boy?

      If you are not seeking the Truth, then you are 1/ retarded and believe in magic. 2/ only seeking to keep your dumb ass job and feed the system. 3/ perpetuating lies.

      http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/06/what-is-real-history-of-humans.html

      More Evotard Creed:
      “We believe in evolution, ( We are brainwashed from an early age and prepared by TV, Carl Sagan, PBS, and cartoon shows, and our friends, peer pressure and parents force us to believe, because we are weak and cannot look at real evidence.) so we look for comparisons in creatures and project this fantasy on life. We use creatures that are sickly, going extinct and say they are representative of our prior condition. (When they are actually showing clearly the results of “evolution” which is sickness, weakness, and total inability to survive. The path that humans are on and are rapidly degrading now at the fastest rate in history.)

      “We, accredited scientists never look at the degraded condition of all the modern creatures and tell people what is real, because politicians would destroy our jobs and we would lose tenure.

      We are here as paid shills to produce any crap that will sell this, Evodelusionism to the public and not let anyone know how badly the government and the rich elite corporate owners are doing at protecting today’s children from these rapidly rising diseases.”

      “After all disease is good for business! $2,500,000,000,000 per year.”

      If you counted one dollar per 1/10 of a minute it would take you 457,647 years to count it. Just to give you an idea how much money is in this industry. (Please check my math, my calculator doesn’t go into the trillions.)
      http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-medical-industry-and-what-it-tells.html

      “We don’t ever look at the results of our actions and we attribute magical causes and mystical processes and sell that to the poor ignorant public.”

      To the Evotards who teach this crap and perpetuate lies on the public:

      You are accountable to every student you have lied to, and your desperation is now showing.

      Whatever you “experts” are doing is an abject failure to protect babies from diseases. It is obvious.

      http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-here-and-now-of-science-today-what.html

  • EvidenceBasedDecisions

    People no longer rely upon the local cleric as their source of misinformation (sic). Whereas a century ago the local pastor was (supposedly) the font of all knowledge, now you can listen to a sermon whilst fact checking it on your phone browser – calling BS all the way through.

    To put it bluntly,
    1) There are no philosophcal arguments to demonstrate that any god exists,
    2) There is no evidence or rational reason to believe that a god exists.
    3) There IS already a scientific theory that explains a god free universe.
    4) We can already explain the origins of life in a god free universe.
    5) There IS already a scientific theory that explains the origin of species (our existence) in a god free universe.
    6) If we examine societies based on religiosity correlated with desirable social factors , we identify that religion fails “everywhere” (certainly on 43 indicators in 18 categories).
    7) Religion has had millenia to demonstrate itself – and failed miserably.

    When the epistemological basis of your belief system is “faith”, saying to a person “1 + 1 = 3, have faith” is NOT gong to win you any converts.

    It is time to abandon bronze age sky fairies, and move on the the 21st Century of evidence based reality.

    • I think you have been mislead by academia. But then the Bible tells us that it will be evil against evil at the end of times. Jehovah put in your mind your hate for religion and that is how this prophesy is fulfilled. The fact that you hate false religions so much is evidence for Jehovah. Every prophesy in the Bible, every testable life science is correct right down to the molecular bases of human DNA, but because of your education you may never find the Truth.

      P.S. It is proven beyond all doubts that modern humans are dumber, and more emotional (more animal) than our ancestors from 2000 to 6000 years ago. This comes from DNA studies on ancient specimens.

      Once you become an evidence based scientist, all this is clear.

      • oikos

        “Once you become an evidence based scientist, all this is clear.”
        Hilarious as you cite an anonymously authored book of fairy tales written by savage goatherds who thought the sun went into hiding at night.

        • It is an amazing book produced over by over 40 known authors and over a period of 1600 years. It is totally congruent and has the same message throughout. No other book has this.

          And now that we have studied the DNA of the ancients it is well known that modern humans are both retarded and far more emotional than our ancestors.

          Reading books by modern retards is somehow better than reading books by ancient seer’s of the Truth.

          This only proves the degradation of humans.

          • oikos

            (credible) citations needed for all of your claims. Just because your book of fairy tales tells you something doesn’t make it true. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/67b12d43860a2d5a5110b35c9634656cf0d743bac261729e56c6e2285f9fe771.jpg

          • I am an evidence based scientist. I am classically trained in the use of the scientific methodology.

            I am, perhaps, the world’s expert on the “theory of evolution”.

            I subscribe to all the modern data we have now from all over the earth.

            That is why I know that modern humans are very degraded, sickly and emotional cripples. The evidence is everywhere.

            Here is some of my recent findings from obvious data.

            The guy they arrested in the school meeting was about his teen daughter’s required reading of a pornographic book, describing all sorts of disgusting sex. He could not get them to acknowledge that as a parent he does not want the schools to promote diseased sex.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HC2LPu8wHQ

            We now have some 1 in 3 teen girls infected with STD’s, RIGHT NOW, this minute.

            This is a human tragedy. STD’s cause permanent infection in women and men cause problems with reproduction and cause fetal mutations. When those viruses attack the reproductive cells you get mutated babies.

            80% of humans are infected with HPV which is a cancer causing virus. It also causes mutations in your reproductive cells. HBV is also common in 1 out of 10 births. There are some 34 STD’s now and there is no protection against most of them. Touching, and sharing spit will do it.

            We now have cancer as the number one disease killer of children and it is up some 300% in 40 years.

            Childhood invasive cancer did not exist in the 1800’s in any significant numbers; so rare that it was not documented. And it was only found to be cause of death in 1 in 45 adults in 1847 in Europe.

            Now it is the cause of death in 1 in 3 people before the age of 64. (CDC)

            All this is from infected reproduction.

            The second deadly killer of children is mutated defects to organs and body parts. Often called birth defects.

            Birth defects are caused by genetic deformity from infection and from a combination of two mutated and defective parents reproducing.

            Those mutated parents (carriers of inherited diseases) got if from their ancestors who had infected reproduction.

            The third deadly killer of children is congenital heart diseases, obviously a genetic deformity caused by infected reproduction and to mutated people who carry the defect from inheriting it from their ancestors.

            Their ancestors got it from infected reproduction. This is up over 200% in just the last 30 years.

            We now have 1 in 9 children born with genetic diseases that will affect them for life and they need to be treated for life. And their lives will be shorter because of this.

            The fastest rising death rate (after the fetus gets born) in the USA is children 1 to 4 years old. UP 4% per year.

            It turns out that in the last 40 years each genetic diseases and deformity is up about 6% every 5 years and it is accelerating from the diseased lifestyle we now promote.

            We have a constant number of STD’s in the USA now of over 120,000,000 cases and it has been rising by 20,000,000 cases per year for over 12 years.

            Another tragedy is the fact that 70% of wanted pregnancies end in miscarriage in the USA. This goes all the way from zygotes (fertilized eggs) that do not implant to 16 weeks of pregnancy and miscarriage. The fetuses are not viable from defects and diseases.

            There was a study about this idea that woman’s eggs get “bad” as the woman ages. That this was the cause of the chromosomal abnormality causing 47 chromosomes called mongoloid and autism. It turns out that the eggs are not the issue. The 40 year old woman’s eggs are just as healthy as the 13 year old. The problem is the infections the woman has gained from sexual contact over the years has given her diseased viral infections at reproduction. And as she ages her immune system cannot stop the virus from mutating her babies.

            The effects of this human genetic suicide are clear in the culture.

            In 1914 less than 2% of high school seniors could not pass a graduation test in Reading, Writing, Math, Science, History, and Civics. Now 40% fail to pass. And the academic standards are continually being reduced to match the mental retardation of the children, and still they can’t teach them to read nor write after 12 years of school.

            The clear results of this tragedy:

            Women in the USA are dying about 5 years younger than their mothers.

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449186/American-women-expected-live-FIVE-YEARS-mothers–scientists-dont-know-why.html

            And now doctors are so retarded they are killing more than 400,000 people a year from incompetence. Death by Doctor is now the number 3 killer of people in the USA. They lowered the standards in academia because they need doctors. The doctors who are teaching them are also more retarded, so they cannot see the students as being abnormal. The norm is retardation. The are producing doctors as as fast as they can, because the 4 trillion dollar a year medical industry cannot function without them.

            *Deaths by medical mistakes hit records*

            400,000 people die each year from medical mistakes.

            http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/deaths-by-medical-mistakes-hit-records

            The fact that the medical industry is the fastest growing industry on the planet is just more evidence that humans are getting sicker and sicker from fetal diseases.

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2015/08/more-absolutely-irrefutable-evidence-of.html

            The CDC has issued a statement that there is no safe sex. The only way to stop STD’s is to have no sex. The only other way to to have virgin marriage to an uninfected person and never cheat. The problem is in finding an uninfected person, because these infections do not show symptoms until they are in second stages of development and then it is too late.

            http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/10/what-is-safe-sex.html

            If 13 and 14 year old boys are having sex with their teachers and whores in the neighborhood, they are infected. Then they lie to their girlfriend about not having and STD (because they did not get tested) and infect her. Same with girls. Girls are much more prone to infections because of how they are made.

            What we are watching is the total destruction of human life and intelligence by this process if infected reproduction. So, not only are we cultivating infected whores as daughters and telling them “it is good that they are whores”, these whores are the mothers of new fetal mutations. These are the mother of our future, and they are so ill educated on sexual matters today. They cannot understand why their babies are so sick all the time and need to be taken to the doctor.

            There is no hope at all for humans to do anything to stop or even reduce this rapid genetic degradation, because humans have never succeeded in stopping diseases, but rather they promote them by utter ignorance of science. It is a negative feedback system, The more retarded the culture the more they destroy their own fetuses. And the whole culture is now greatly retarded.

          • oikos

            Yeah none of those are credible peer reviewed sources you cited.

            “I am, perhaps, the world’s expert on the “theory of evolution”.

            Bwahahahahahahahahaha. Thank you. I needed a good laugh.

          • I know more about this theory than anyone, anywhere. I have studied all the permutations and rubber logic of this crap for over 44 years. Every time new evidence comes that destroys the theory they try to hide it or destroy the PhD. There is nothing ever found to show this is nothing more than some faith based projection on rocks, because all the DNA evidence, the rapid rises of genetic diseases, and all the creatures now going extinct, only shows degradation.

            The reason you have no evidence that any creature has ever gained in cells and those new cells have new functions, is because that evidence does not exist.

            I have had this discussion with thousands of believers and so far NOT ONE has ever shown any evidence to back up this really stupid ideology of retarded people.

            The fact that they believe and have no evidence is evidence of human mental degradation.

            Only retarded people believe in magical crap that has NO evidence.

            I am sorry for any retarded believer in evolution. You must have some awful compulsions or really stupid fantasies that control you. When you easily surrendered all logic and reason it is only from and can only be from weakness and some love of fantasy and magic.

            “Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character.”

            “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.” Albert Einstein

            The whole basis of absolute objective morality is this:

            Good: That which supports Truth, true knowledge, health, life and joy for living on this beautiful planet.

            Evil: That which supports, ignorance (the common theme of mankind), suffering, diseases, and shorter lives with early death.

            “Evotards are perverts who perverts science into a political religion based on faith, and teachers are paid shills for the religion of Evodelusionism. Evodelusionism is the religion of atheists, politicians, whores, sex addicts, sex industry, academia (paid off by big business) socialists, liberals, criminals, perverts, pedophiles, sex trade, drug pushers, bankers, Monsanto, BP etc, and big pharma (just loves this religion), the medical industry, and all the polluters and don’t forget the Pope and Jimmy Swaggart. If I left your particular disease or greedy addiction off the list I apologize.”

            (Please help me to add to this list. I think I have covered all the Evotards but maybe I missed someone. )

            Rising atheism is directly proportional to the rise of mental retardation from mutations. In other words intelligence seeks out complexity and sees intelligent design and construction of creatures as OBVIOUS and retards cannot comprehend complex ideas. “Dumb and Dumber: Study Says Humans Are Slowly Losing Their Smarts

            Stanford geneticist, Dr. Gerald Crabtree says humans evolving into dumber species”

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/04/are-humans-getting-better-what-is.html

            Why is it is so important to you to continue your degraded lifestyle. Probably a sex addict, or religious Evotard from education, the most common use and types of Evodelusionism today. Evotard are so delusional they think they care about children and helping them.

            I think you need to look at your family and friends. Take a look at all the diseases that have afflicted them and look at YOUR friends with cancer and say to them: “See cancer is proof of humans evolving into better creatures”.

            “We can see, especially from the rapid rise of childhood cancer, that humans are getting better.” “We want all those people to suffer for our cause.” “Suffering and diseases are good according to medical science and the theory of evolution.” “How else are we going to get paid”. ” I teach and a university that trains doctors and if they have no sick people then I lose my job.”

            Unless you live under a rock and have no awareness at all, what I teach is friggin obvious.

          • oikos

            Your ad hominem attacks and long ranting paragraphs (saying nothing) may convince the brain dead but not anyone else. The vast majority of scientists concur with the vast data for evolutionary theory. FYI-in science a theory is not a guess. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0e122f04f7edd043a9e92fe2a3b0b20d09c7add8ba99c0e6a6f3df4c021c79fb.jpg

          • SJ

            No you cherrypicked from the liars to support you and you will have to check your own motive for doing that.

            The Apostle Thomas and 1 John make it clear Jesus came in the flesh.

            Jesus also ate fish which is a fleshly activity.

            The gnostics were attempting to deny Jesus came in the flesh which is the same error these mythologists make.

            There are spirits of error and confusion in the world and a lot of people embrace them because it suits their personal desires and motives.

          • Boreal
          • There is NOTHING in the Bible that states the earth is 6000 years old.

            And it is well established that the ancients were far more intelligent and far less emotional than modern people. People are such emotional basket cases now they cannot deal with stupid names and get all violent because someone insults them.

          • Boreal

            What absolute garbage you spew without a shred of credible evidence for any of your claims. Were your parents siblings? There is nothing in the bible but fiction. Next.

          • pud

            Show a single strata of rock anywhere on earth that contains the fossils of a dinosaur and a modern mammal. Win the Nobel Prize! Imbecile

          • See if you can “falsify anything in this paragraph”.

            The facts give the Truth about any ideology.

            “Evotards are perverts who perverts science into a political religion based on faith, and teachers are paid shills for the religion of Evodelusionism. Evodelusionism is the religion of atheists, politicians, whores, sex addicts, sex industry, academia (paid off by big business) socialists, liberals, criminals, perverts, pedophiles, sex trade, drug pushers, bankers, Monsanto, BP etc, and big pharma (just loves this religion), the medical industry, and all the polluters and don’t forget the Pope and Jimmy Swaggart. If I left your particular disease or greedy addiction off the list I apologize.”

            (Please help me to add to this list. I think I have covered all the Evotards but maybe I missed someone. )

          • Boreal

            You left out Freemasons , Illuminati, False Flags and Sasquatch. Try harder.

            http://38.media.tumblr.com/841007abf7f0346dc02784373c3b7cff/tumblr_inline_n97uhi7BpE1qebnq6.jpg

          • http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/03/this-is-what-is-happening-to-humans-now.html

            Friday, March 29, 2013

            This Is What Is Happening to Humans Now. by James Arjuna

            I find it interesting that some of you at least understand the condition of humanity, sort of;

            Here is the summary from accredited sources that anyone can google.

            33% of Americans ages 15 to 64 will die from cancer (CDC 2007). This is not attributed to old age, but at ages in the 70’s it gets closer to 1 in 2.

            Disease Statistics the UK. From a few years of reporting.

            ” incidence rates for all cancers in Great Britain increased by 20% in males during the period 1975-1977 and 2007-2009 (from 354.3 per 100,000 to 426.0 per 100,000) and by 40% in females (from 265.2 per 100,000 to 370.4 per 100,000)”

            UPDATE:

            “The European age-standardised incidence rates for all cancers in Great Britain increased by 22% in males during the period 1975-1977 to 2008-2010 (from 351.8 per 100,000 to 429.8 per 100,000) and by 42% in females (from 263.3 per 100,000 to 375.1 per 100,000)” NEW CASES per year. 142% rise in female cancer with 172% rise in breast cancer. These are not statistics we should ignore. The cause is fetal mutations for this continual rise, because the environment has gotten cleaner since 1975

            UPDATED 2010: The European age-standardised incidence rates for all cancers in Great Britain increased by 22% in males during the period 1975-1977 to 2008-2010 (from 351.8 per 100,000 to 429.8 per 100,000) and by 42% in females (from 263.3 per 100,000 to 375.1 per 100,000)”

            The UK has some great statistics on Cancer in 1847 to 2014 Cancer is up by 1650%.

            Australia: “The number of new cancer cases more than doubled between 1982 and 2007. In 1982, 47,350 new cases of cancer were diagnosed in Australia compared with 108,368 cases in 2007.”

            229% rise in Cancer cases in 25 years! That is alarming! During the same time period STD’s had a rise of over 400% but just in the last 10 years.

            In 2007, the most commonly reported cancers were:

            Prostate cancer (19,403 cases)

            Bowel cancer (14,234 cases)

            Breast cancer (12,670 cases)

            Melanoma of the skin (10,342 cases)

            Lung cancer (9,703 cases).

            “Cancer in New Zealand

            Cancer is the leading cause of death in New Zealand accounting for 29.4% of all deaths”

            Netherlands is 30% death rate due to cancer.

            Since 1975, USA statistics: Childhood invasive cancer rates have risen by 129% in a continuous study from 1975 to 2004 with Childhood Leukemia rising 157%.

            More updated from 2009

            Age 0-14:,1975 11.5 100,000 to 2009 15.5100,000,for an increase of ~35% (135% increase).

            Age 0-19: 1975 13100,000 to 2009 17.3100,000 for an increase of ~34% (134% increase)..

            Childhood Cancer is now the number one disease killer of babies to 15 years old.

            http://www.acco.org/Information/AboutChildhoodCancer/ChildhoodCancerStatistics.aspx

            The daily death rate of cancer in the US has risen by over 150% since 1948. Consider that in 1948 there were nearly no cures for cancer except to cut out tumors and some experimental radiation treatments. Today with all the successful treatments cancer is still winning by 50% and increasing.

            The interpolated rise in incidents since 1948 is 200% rise. that means that if 100 people out of a group of the sames size as now, the group now has 200 people with cancer in less than 3 generations.

            Cancer, according to many thousands of articles on pubmed is only attributed to genetic defects. It is caused by mutagens, weak cells and weak immune system that cannot recognize the cancer cells and destroy them any more. Here is a video made from accredited sources at the American Cancer Society of electron microscopy of human immune cells and cancer.

            One-third of people aged 40 or older will contract diabetes

            According to a survey of diabetes by Japan’s Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare in 2006, the prevalence of diabetes in Japan is estimated at 8.20 million patients, and 10.50 million people are likely to suffer from the disease in the future. Hence, a quarter of Japanese people aged 40 or older are reportedly affected, either currently or potentially, by diabetes.

            “Finland has a population of 5.4 million. There are about 40 000 people with type 1 diabetes and about 250 000 people with type 2 diabetes in Finland. About 4 400 children under the age of 16 have diabetes. The number of undiagnosed cases of type 2 diabetes is estimated at 200 000.” 494,000 out of 5.4 million = 1 in 10.9

            New Cases of Diagnosed Diabetes Among U.S. Adults Aged 18–79 Years, 1980–2009 366% rise from 493,000 to 1,812,000 Source http://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/resources/publications/AAG/ddt_text.htm USA CDC. By the year 2050 1 in 3 people in the US will have diabetes and more in other countries. In Canada and US most insulin is “over the counter” drug.

            The rate of diabetes in the US is 1 in 12 and is predicted to rise if the current acceleration of genetic defects continues to 1 in 3 by 2050. In other countries the rates are already much higher. Canada has about 34 million people and they list 9 million with diabetes.

            1 in 10 people have “rare” genetic diseases and the numbers are also accelerating from mutagens. The average is 1 in 200,000 but the number of different “rare” genetic diseases I very high.

            The number of people with heart disease that need heart surgery is 1 in 15 but it is much higher for the over all heart and circulation diseases. And it is increasing so much so that huge hospital centers, the size of small cities, with over 10,000 employees are planned for the future to centralize an keep costs down. The medical industry is slated to overshadow any other industry that has ever existed on earth, including the computer industry.

            1 in 125 children are born with Congenital Heart Disease.

            “The likelihood of a child’s being given a diagnosis of autism, Asperger syndrome or a related disorder increased more than 20 percent from 2006 to 2008, according to a report released on Thursday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

            The new report estimates that in 2008 one child in 88 received one of these diagnoses, known as autism spectrum disorders, by age 8, compared with about one in 110 two years earlier.” New York Times.

            In the last 5 years in “affluent” cultures the infant mortality rate has either leveled off or has increased for the first time in 50 years we are losing more babies from genetic defects.

            Human genetic suicide seems to be caused by ignorance and denial of the human condition.

            Evolution is just another denial mechanism used to placate people into genetic suicide for lust and money.

            This is one of the bravest Scientists today, who actually published information on the mental retardation of modern humans.

            http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121112135516.htm

            http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/15/research-suggests-humans-are-evolving-to-be-dumber/

            Dr. Gerald Crabtree a renouned geneticists and professor of genetics at Stanford University states that

            “I would wager that if an average citizen from Athens of 1000 BC were to appear suddenly among us, he or she would be among the brightest and most intellectually alive of our colleagues and companions, with a good memory, a broad range of ideas, and a clear-sighted view of important issues. Furthermore, I would guess that he or she would be among the most emotionally stable of our friends and colleagues. I would also make this wager for the ancient inhabitants of Africa, Asia, India or the Americas, of perhaps 2000–6000 years ago. The basis for my wager comes from new developments in genetics, anthropology, and neurobiology that make a clear prediction that our intellectual and emotional abilities are genetically surprisingly fragile.”

            http://rt.com/usa/intelligence-stanford-years-fragile-531/

            http://naturalsociety.com/leading-geneticist-human-intelligence-slowly-declining/

            The number of pseudo genes is over 20,000 and the numbers of mutations associated with all these diseases and more, (flat feet, color blindness, knocked knees, and all the normal body defects are way beyond 100,000+ found so far by medical research. You can go see all of them at PubMed.com and there are about 1,000,000 articles on human genetic diseases alone.

            There are zero positive mutations ever found in the human genome. I have had this discussion with thousands of people including many PhD’s of genetics and they cannot show me one totally positive mutation.

            Positive mutation is that it must increase complexity NOT be associated with any disease, not be part of normal immune responses to pathogens and/or any of the following: 1/ add new genes with new functions 2/ increase health and fitness to survive 3/ increase intelligence. (This by the way is the “Evotard Creed of Delusion”. These fools believe in magical mutations.)

            There are none. If you would care to discuss this please goto (google it)

            “Neutral Evolution Forum” and sign up and bring all your evidence.

            Thank You.

            All of this data can be found at; PubMed.com NORD, American Cancer Society and cancer.gov/statistics, American Diabetes Association, CDC, Canadian Diabetes Association,

            and any worldwide statistics on diseases.

            You can goto http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=human%20genetic%20diseases And do a search on “human genetic diseases”

            You can goto PubMed as well and search out every “positive” mutation the Evotards think are real, and find that they have at least 2 and up to 7 genetic diseases tied to them and or they are deletions that remove genetic coding and reduce fitness that way. Thus, there are zero “positive” mutation.

            http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1002240

            Sung Chun1, Justin C. Fay1,2*

            1 Computational and Systems Biology Program, Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri, United States of America, 2 Department of Genetics and Center for Genome Sciences and Systems Biology, Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri, United States of America:

            “Evidence for Hitchhiking of Deleterious Mutations within the Human Genome”

            According to this article of 1000 samples of human genomes, there is an average of 1000 deleterious mutations per person. Quote: “Each human is estimated to carry on the order of 1,000 deleterious mutations in their genome.”

            These are FIXED (permanent) in the reproductive process.

            There are way over 100,000 total mutations found and this represents the sick condition of humankind. How we have degraded and are heading for extinction.

            The only cure for this is absolute adherence to moral behavior to wipe out all these various virus diseases that are eating away at our genome, stop using mutagenic substances.

            Stop destroying our species from ignorance mixed with compulsions that are way out of balance.

            The next paper states that there has been on average 3 FIXED deleterious mutations passed on. Considering

            Also Note that there are 47000 species on the worldwide endangered species list including all the cousins of humans, the chimps, and all apes, many species of monkeys. go look.

            This one attempts to describe the cause of mutations, but for some reason humans are unable to be objective about human behavior, especially if they participate in it.

            http://genome.cshlp.org/content/22/3/429.full.pdf

            http://www.onelife.com/evolve/degen.html

            The daily death rate due to cancer has risen by 122% since 1948. Keep in mind that there were no treatments for cancer except to cut out tumors and some rudimentary treatments that pretty much always failed. So even with all the medical success, cancer is winning because our genetics has degraded drastically since 1948.

            In 48 we used toxic chemicals on DDT foods, most people smoked unfiltered cigarette. Drinking was necessary at any social gathering. In other words it’s far less toxic now. Also we had lead in the gasoline that was floating in the air along with the unburned hydrocarbons.

            Now the air is clear, no DDT, no lead poison in the air, smoking has declined, and people are aware of highly processed foods.

            Renouned Dr. Ben Carson has his version.

            He is a famous pediatric surgeon.

            http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/07/dr_ben_carson_o061601.html

            Infertility and Miscarriages:

            In Vitro Fertilization

            Laboratory studies on IVF patients have found that a very large percentage of eggs harbor chromosome abnormalities (the leading cause of miscarriage), and another study found that in natural cycles, about 22% of all conceptions never complete implantation. Considering such evidence, some scientists have speculated that if you factor in fertilized eggs that don’t implant along with pregnancies that end in miscarriage, around 70-75% of conceptions end up miscarrying.

            Normal Pregnancy Success rates.

            About 70% of WANTED pregnancies end in miscarriage.

            In the same study that found 22% of conceptions fail to implant, it was also found that 31% of pregnancies confirmed after implantation end in miscarriage.

            That would mean that about 1 in 3, implanted egg, pregnancies miscarry.

            http://humupd.oxfordjournals.org/content/8/4/333.full.pdf+html

            http://www.hopexchange.com/Statistics.htm

          • Boreal

            Blah blah blah. Posting the same garbage ad infinitum still doesn’t make any of it true. Yawn.

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          • Boreal

            The only amazing thing is that you believe a work of fiction written by savages in the bronze age.

        • I am sorry for any retarded believer in evolution. You must have some awful compulsions or really stupid fantasies that control you. When you easily surrendered all logic and reason it is only from and can only be from weakness and some love of fantasy and magic.

          “Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character.”

          “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.” Albert Einstein

          The whole basis of absolute objective morality is this:

          Good: That which supports Truth, true knowledge, health, life and joy for living on this beautiful planet.

          Evil: That which supports, ignorance (the common theme of mankind), suffering, diseases, and shorter lives with early death.

          “Evotards are perverts who perverts science into a political religion based on faith, and teachers are paid shills for the religion of Evodelusionism. Evodelusionism is the religion of atheists, politicians, whores, sex addicts, sex industry, academia (paid off by big business) socialists, liberals, criminals, perverts, pedophiles, sex trade, drug pushers, bankers, Monsanto, BP etc, and big pharma (just loves this religion), the medical industry, and all the polluters and don’t forget the Pope and Jimmy Swaggart. If I left your particular disease or greedy addiction off the list I apologize.”

          (Please help me to add to this list. I think I have covered all the Evotards but maybe I missed someone. )

          Rising atheism is directly proportional to the rise of mental retardation from mutations. In other words intelligence seeks out complexity and sees intelligent design and construction of creatures as OBVIOUS and retards cannot comprehend complex ideas. “Dumb and Dumber: Study Says Humans Are Slowly Losing Their Smarts

          Stanford geneticist, Dr. Gerald Crabtree says humans evolving into dumber species”

          http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/04/are-humans-getting-better-what-is.html

          Why is it is so important to you to continue your degraded lifestyle. Probably a sex addict, or religious Evotard from education, the most common use and types of Evodelusionism today. Evotard are so delusional they think they care about children and helping them.

          I think you need to look at your family and friends. Take a look at all the diseases that have afflicted them and look at YOUR friends with cancer and say to them: “See cancer is proof of humans evolving into better creatures”.

          “We can see, especially from the rapid rise of childhood cancer, that humans are getting better.” “We want all those people to suffer for our cause.” “Suffering and diseases are good according to medical science and the theory of evolution.” “How else are we going to get paid”. ” I teach and a university that trains doctors and if they have no sick people then I lose my job.”

          Unless you live under a rock and have no awareness at all, what I teach is friggin obvious.

          • oikos

            Hahahahahahahah-Hilarious! You post some nutjob’s conspiracy theory blog and think it is credible.

            “and can only be from weakness and some love of fantasy and magic.”
            Perfect projection from believers in a magic book with talking snakes, magic apples and burning bushes.

            I have to say I have been entertained. Your rantings are most amusing but do nothing to disprove the vast trove of empirical data for evolution. Your cancer/mutation/retardation claims are beyond hysterical and I will share them with my biology friends in academia so they can show their students the complete lack of critical thinking inherent in the Alex Jones mindset. Again my thanks for the entertainment value of your posts

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          • You are unable to falsify that statement, because it is the Truth about Evotards. No rational sane intelligent person believes in magical crap. Unless, of course, they are retarded and simply want to validate their immoral behavior that is proven to destroy the lives of babies.

          • Boreal

            You simply repeating the same inane, unverifiable BS doesn’t make it so. The only ones believing in magical crap are creationists and bible bleaters. Empirical data or it never happened. I don’t believe in evolution, I understand it.

            BTW I’m still waiting to hear what accredited university of higher learning your earned your PhD in biology from and which credible peer reviewed journals you’ve been published in, Mr, I’m an world expert on evolution. Failure to provide this information is confirmation that you are a liar and a fraud.
            According to your own book of fairy tales, that will make your imaginary friend angry.
            Exodus 20:16

          • The Delusional Nonsense of Academia

            I am hoping for your sake that you wake up from this delusional nonsense that you believe.

            This is the Evotard Creed and Oath:

            1/ We Evotards believe that dead extinct hominids degraded and went extinct are human ancestors. By magical processes and mystical causes,somehow these dead apes that were wiped off the planet, were resurrected and evolved into “modern” humans.

            2/ We only look at fossils that have never been seen living or even have a living relative, In spite of the fact that we have 90% of the now living or recently extinct, non bird, vertebrates as fossils and the farther back you go you see higher fitness for survival, We Evotards believe and take an oath that this shows evolution.

            3/ We Evotards believe in magical beneficial mutations, in spite of the fact that we don’t see any in over 10 million DNA studies on humans and other creatures. That all we see is genetic losses with speciation, lost genes, lost health and shorter lives. And some 1.5 million species already extinct and some 47000 now on the list to die out. We believe that extinction is “evolution” because our teachers tell us that.

            4/ The Religion of Evodelusionism is this idea that by magical processes and mystical causes slime turned into one celled creatures and humans evolved from fish, in spite of the fact there is NO evidence for this on this planet. But we must believe in spite of this fact that there is not even one tiny piece of physical evidence.

            5/ Evotards believe that there was this mystical time in the past where species and science operated differently, that the natural laws of science in some magical way were avoided (by the “Evotard Fairy of natural positive selection”) and that now we see no creatures evolving at all doesn’t matter, because we don’t live in the magical times of the past where the laws of science were “different”. Every myth starts out with “Long, Long ago, and far far away in the distant land of the Evotard fairy, bla bla bla……the primal soup, and the matrix of these amino acids that magically assembled themselves” and other such crap.

            6/ Evotards swear to sell wisdom teeth, appendix, tail atavism, thinner bones, and other genetic losses, atavism’s, and vestiges as some sort of “refining” or advancing increased evolution and that white people are the highest level of evolution on the planet. (It’s roots are based on some serious racism. Now with the advent of DNA, we can clearly see that white people cannot survive past about 15 to 25 years in the wild with no medical nor technology. I find that funny/sad, because when I took “evolution” classes the “homo erectus” cartoon was black, representing that blacks were “less evolved”. Now we see the new “homo erectus” cartoons have pink skin. Not only is that funny to me, is just shows how full of crap these people are. If it was the truth it would never change.)

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/04/are-humans-getting-better-what-is.html

            7/ Evotards change the etymological meanings of words that have been used for centuries and mean one basic meaning. What is the real definition of “evolution” as it has been for centuries. http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/04/what-is-real-definition-of-evolution.html

            8/ Evotards take an oath to operate on “Judyism”, the religion of Judy Tenuta, “It could happen.” (rather than any form of realism or truth) is the bases of all those religious slogans. As if they are willing it to happen by faith and belief.. All we see in actual evidence is genetic losses, degradation of health, leading to extinction. This is obvious to all those who simply look around and see how fast the genetic diseases are rising.

            The Oath:

            “ In the name of our god Darwin and our master of death worship, who owns us, Dawkins, we pray. So, we can spread diseases and destroy the lives of our offspring and all future generations from diseased, immoral, behavior as our ancestors did to us, we will continue to destroy the lives of our children.”

            Here is Richard Dawkins in all his glory:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UT3dfPOdAYU

            Here he is glorifying death as being so good!

            “We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones.” Richard Dawkins

            There is nothing lucky about dying. There is no one who looks forward to death even when they are “deathly” ill. If death is so good, then why don’t you follow your own advice, Richard, old boy?

            If you are not seeking the Truth, then you are 1/ retarded and believe in magic. 2/ only seeking to keep your dumb ass job and feed the system. 3/ perpetuating lies.

            http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/06/what-is-real-history-of-humans.html

            More Evotard Creed:

            “We believe in evolution, ( We are brainwashed from an early age and prepared by TV, Carl Sagan, PBS, and cartoon shows, and our friends, peer pressure and parents force us to believe, because we are weak and cannot look at real evidence.) so we look for comparisons in creatures and project this fantasy on life. We use creatures that are sickly, going extinct and say they are representative of our prior condition. (When they are actually showing clearly the results of “evolution” which is sickness, weakness, and total inability to survive. The path that humans are on and are rapidly degrading now at the fastest rate in history.)

            “We, accredited scientists never look at the degraded condition of all the modern creatures and tell people what is real, because politicians would destroy our jobs and we would lose tenure.

            We are here as paid shills to produce any crap that will sell this, Evodelusionism to the public and not let anyone know how badly the government and the rich elite corporate owners are doing at protecting today’s children from these rapidly rising diseases.”

            “After all disease is good for business! $2,500,000,000,000 per year.”

            If you counted one dollar per 1/10 of a minute it would take you 457,647 years to count it. Just to give you an idea how much money is in this industry. (Please check my math, my calculator doesn’t go into the trillions.)

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-medical-industry-and-what-it-tells.html

            “We don’t ever look at the results of our actions and we attribute magical causes and mystical processes and sell that to the poor ignorant public.”

            To the Evotards who teach this crap and perpetuate lies on the public:

            You are accountable to every student you have lied to, and your desperation is now showing.

            Whatever you “experts” are doing is an abject failure to protect babies from diseases. It is obvious.

            http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-here-and-now-of-science-today-what.html

          • Boreal

            So the answer to the questions are that you are not an expert in anything and have no credentials or qualifications of any kind.

            I must apologize, I did not initially realize you were mentally ill as well as mentally deficient thus in any discussion, are incapable of cogent thought or conversation. Obamacare covers mental health treatment and you would be wise to take advantage of it.

            Happy Holidays and Merry Mithra!

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          • I have 19 years of formal education, and 45 years of research and study.

            What do you have? Faith and belief?

          • Boreal

            In what? Where? What accredited institutions. Where are you published? Links to the journals you are published in? Your evasion on this is proof of your disingenuous character.
            I have 3 degrees, one of them advanced, all of them in the sciences. Next.

          • So, you simply want to validate your compulsions and diseases that enslave you, make you sick, and destroy any joy for living? I get it.

          • pud

            You’re a psychopath. Rational people do not “believe” in anything including gravity, evolution, germ theory or plate tectonics…we go where the EVIDENCE leads.

            The only “magical thinking” are you delusional religious mental cases who CLAIM an invisible “god” spoke via incantation the universe into being from nothing. Rational people do not “believe” anything let alone abject nonsense such as this.

            Your juvenile slandering and name calling makes sense given the intellectual capacity you must have to be a “faith” driven “believer” rather than an evidence led “knowledge” sane person

          • “Evotards are perverts who perverts science into a political religion based on faith, and teachers are paid shills for the religion of Evodelusionism. Evodelusionism is the religion of atheists, politicians, whores, sex addicts, sex industry, academia (paid off by big business) socialists, liberals, criminals, perverts, pedophiles, sex trade, drug pushers, bankers, Monsanto, BP etc, and big pharma (just loves this religion), the medical industry, and all the polluters and don’t forget the Pope and Jimmy Swaggart. If I left your particular disease or greedy addiction off the list I apologize.”

            (Please help me to add to this list. I think I have covered all the Evotards but maybe I missed someone. )

          • Your stupid argument is called “Not my science” argument.

            I am a practicing scientist for over 44 years. I know more about the “theory of evolution” than you ever will. I have studied it objectively for a very long time. And there is no evidence for evolution. There is only evidence of continual genetic degradation leading to extinction.

            Humans cannot live without medical aids. You would already be dead without artificial life support. Is that evolution?

            Humans have increased genetic diseases in their children by over 4000% in the last 100 years. In just the last 30 years a 300% rise in unborn babies with spinal and brain cancerous tumors.

          • Boreal

            Which of the recognized sciences do you work in? What academic credentials from an accredited institution of higher learning do you possess? What peer reviewed scientific journals are you published in?

          • pud

            You’re not only insane but a nasty little asshole too!

            Evolution is a scientific FACT and ALL the evidence supports such.

            Humans live twice as long as they used to stupid. Four times longer than in the filthy days of the Buybull.

            Environmental issues are responsible for modern ailments..chemicals, radiation and longer lives exposed to the fucking sun. There is no provision for evolution to make humans bullet proof to the forces of nature idiot.

    • ALL of the EVIDENCE demonstrates that Jehovah God created this universe.

      But stupid people, modern degraded humans as found in evidence from DNA studies on our ancestors, cannot deal with EVIDENCE.

      There is NO evidence for evolution.

      All the greatest minds that science stands on were CREATIONISTS and had a firm understanding that God created this universe.

      The father of modern physics was a creationist.

      “Coincidence is God’s way of remaining anonymous.” Albert Einstein

      “Black holes are where God divided by zero.” Albert Einstein

      “God did not create evil. Just as darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of God.” Albert Einstein

      “God does not play dice with the universe.” Albert Einstein

      “My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.” Albert Einstein

      “The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.” Albert Einstein

      “Got always takes the simplest way.” Albert Einstein

      “That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.” Albert Einstein

      “I am a deeply religious nonbeliever – this is a somewhat new kind of religion.” Albert Einstein

      “What really interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation of the World.” Albert Einstein

      “It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.” Albert Einstein

      “It is very difficult for people to overcome their brainwashing. I know I have watched this all of my life in people who have the most screwed up beliefs.” James Arjuna

      “Just realize that if you don’t have any absolutely clear obvious physical evidence for your beliefs, you are considered to be delusional.” James Arjuna

      “Inference, opinions from faith, and projections of belief and wearing blinders so you don’t look at any obviously clear evidence that shows the truth, is considered to be the common delusions of mankind.” James Arjuna

      Rising atheism is directly proportional to the rise of mental retardation from mutations. In other words intelligence seeks out creationism as OBVIOUS and retards cannot comprehend complex ideas. “Dumb and Dumber: Study Says Humans Are Slowly Losing Their Smarts
      Stanford geneticist,Dr Gerald Crabtree says “humans evolving into dumber species.”

      “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”

      “The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits.”

      “Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school.”

      ― Albert Einstein

      • ALL of the EVIDENCE demonstrates that Jehovah God

        You obviously can’t read the Bible, This is a myth, and there was no concept of a universe, the flat earth and a bowl shaped sky were all they could imagine

        All gods are imaginary

        • There is no mention of “flat earth” in the Bible. That was a secular belief promoted by the second most evil religion on earth. Their poop and cardinals etc never read the Bible. It was just a control mechanism of the government. You are a perfect example of that sort of brainwashing.

        • You have NEVER studied that every testable statement of science is 100% accurate, right down to the molecular basis of human and animal existence. I doubt from your ignorance that you would ever do such a study.

        • Here’s the facts. Humans are extremely degraded and are rapidly going extinct from ALL the evidence we find in real science.

          You have a death sentence and are suffering from mental degradation, physical degradation and some 17,000 known genetic diseases, not to mention the 10,000 and more pathogens humans have cultivated by being so compulsive and ignorant of science, as you seem to be.

          By 2100 all humans will be gone at the present rate of rise of genetic diseases.

        • Jack Wellman

          Then how can you demonstrate that they are all imaginary? BTW, many ancient cultures subscribed to a flat Earth cosmography, including ancient Greece, at least until the classical period, the Bronze Age, the Iron Age of the Near East until the Hellenistic period but also in India (until the Gupta period), (early centuries AD), and even in China until the 17th century. That paradigm was also typically held in the aboriginal cultures of the Americas, and the notion of a flat Earth domed by the firmament in the shape of an inverted bowl was common in pre-scientific societies.[1] I suggest you check history sir…history is not a myth, but what you have said is. 1. H. B. Alexander, The Mythology of All Races 10: North American (repr. New York: Cooper Square, 1964) 249.

      • ALL of the EVIDENCE demonstrates that Jehovah God

        You obviously can’t read the Bible, This is a myth, and there was no concept of a universe, the flat earth and a bowl shaped sky were all they could imagine

        All gods are imaginary

    • The Delusional Nonsense of Academia
      I am hoping for your sake that you wake up from this delusional nonsense that you believe.

      This is the Evotard Creed and Oath:

      1/ We Evotards believe that dead extinct hominids degraded and went extinct are human ancestors. By magical processes and mystical causes,somehow these dead apes that were wiped off the planet, were resurrected and evolved into “modern” humans.

      2/ We only look at fossils that have never been seen living or even have a living relative, In spite of the fact that we have 90% of the now living or recently extinct, non bird, vertebrates as fossils and the farther back you go you see higher fitness for survival, We Evotards believe and take an oath that this shows evolution.

      3/ We Evotards believe in magical beneficial mutations, in spite of the fact that we don’t see any in over 10 million DNA studies on humans and other creatures. That all we see is genetic losses with speciation, lost genes, lost health and shorter lives. And some 1.5 million species already extinct and some 47000 now on the list to die out. We believe that extinction is “evolution” because our teachers tell us that.

      4/ The Religion of Evodelusionism is this idea that by magical processes and mystical causes slime turned into one celled creatures and humans evolved from fish, in spite of the fact there is NO evidence for this on this planet. But we must believe in spite of this fact that there is not even one tiny piece of physical evidence.

      5/ Evotards believe that there was this mystical time in the past where species and science operated differently, that the natural laws of science in some magical way were avoided (by the “Evotard Fairy of natural positive selection”) and that now we see no creatures evolving at all doesn’t matter, because we don’t live in the magical times of the past where the laws of science were “different”. Every myth starts out with “Long, Long ago, and far far away in the distant land of the Evotard fairy, bla bla bla……the primal soup, and the matrix of these amino acids that magically assembled themselves” and other such crap.

      6/ Evotards swear to sell wisdom teeth, appendix, tail atavism, thinner bones, and other genetic losses, atavism’s, and vestiges as some sort of “refining” or advancing increased evolution and that white people are the highest level of evolution on the planet. (It’s roots are based on some serious racism. Now with the advent of DNA, we can clearly see that white people cannot survive past about 15 to 25 years in the wild with no medical nor technology. I find that funny/sad, because when I took “evolution” classes the “homo erectus” cartoon was black, representing that blacks were “less evolved”. Now we see the new “homo erectus” cartoons have pink skin. Not only is that funny to me, is just shows how full of crap these people are. If it was the truth it would never change.)

      http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/04/are-humans-getting-better-what-is.html

      7/ Evotards change the etymological meanings of words that have been used for centuries and mean one basic meaning. What is the real definition of “evolution” as it has been for centuries. http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/04/what-is-real-definition-of-evolution.html

      8/ Evotards take an oath to operate on “Judyism”, the religion of Judy Tenuta, “It could happen.” (rather than any form of realism or truth) is the bases of all those religious slogans. As if they are willing it to happen by faith and belief.. All we see in actual evidence is genetic losses, degradation of health, leading to extinction. This is obvious to all those who simply look around and see how fast the genetic diseases are rising.

      The Oath:
      “ In the name of our god Darwin and our master of death worship, who owns us, Dawkins, we pray. So, we can spread diseases and destroy the lives of our offspring and all future generations from diseased, immoral, behavior as our ancestors did to us, we will continue to destroy the lives of our children.”

      Here is Richard Dawkins in all his glory:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UT3dfPOdAYU

      Here he is glorifying death as being so good!

      “We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones.” Richard Dawkins
      There is nothing lucky about dying. There is no one who looks forward to death even when they are “deathly” ill. If death is so good, then why don’t you follow your own advice, Richard, old boy?

      If you are not seeking the Truth, then you are 1/ retarded and believe in magic. 2/ only seeking to keep your dumb ass job and feed the system. 3/ perpetuating lies.

      http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/06/what-is-real-history-of-humans.html

      More Evotard Creed:
      “We believe in evolution, ( We are brainwashed from an early age and prepared by TV, Carl Sagan, PBS, and cartoon shows, and our friends, peer pressure and parents force us to believe, because we are weak and cannot look at real evidence.) so we look for comparisons in creatures and project this fantasy on life. We use creatures that are sickly, going extinct and say they are representative of our prior condition. (When they are actually showing clearly the results of “evolution” which is sickness, weakness, and total inability to survive. The path that humans are on and are rapidly degrading now at the fastest rate in history.)

      “We, accredited scientists never look at the degraded condition of all the modern creatures and tell people what is real, because politicians would destroy our jobs and we would lose tenure.

      We are here as paid shills to produce any crap that will sell this, Evodelusionism to the public and not let anyone know how badly the government and the rich elite corporate owners are doing at protecting today’s children from these rapidly rising diseases.”

      “After all disease is good for business! $2,500,000,000,000 per year.”

      If you counted one dollar per 1/10 of a minute it would take you 457,647 years to count it. Just to give you an idea how much money is in this industry. (Please check my math, my calculator doesn’t go into the trillions.)
      http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-medical-industry-and-what-it-tells.html

      “We don’t ever look at the results of our actions and we attribute magical causes and mystical processes and sell that to the poor ignorant public.”

      To the Evotards who teach this crap and perpetuate lies on the public:

      You are accountable to every student you have lied to, and your desperation is now showing.

      Whatever you “experts” are doing is an abject failure to protect babies from diseases. It is obvious.

      http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-here-and-now-of-science-today-what.html

  • Clive Johnson

    Perhaps the fundamental fatal flaw within organized Christianity is its inability to adapt. This doesn’t mean conforming to every fashion. It means being able to change when confronted with new evidence. As a general rule the faith has done a terrible job with this.

    One example is young earth creationism. I’ve encountered any number of people who have left the faith because they figure out, usually in their teens or in college, that this account of earth history is not true. Objectively not true.

    This can be a disturbing experience and precipitate a spiritual and personal crisis. “How can my parents have misled me? How could they be so wrong? Can I trust anything my pastor tells me if he gets this so fundamentally wrong?”

    In the past the churches could rely on closed information environments to maintain conformity. Now with the internet, you can’t prevent people from pursuing knowledge on their own. They can take their doubts into a world of information and see what else is out there.

    It’s difficult to imagine that the collapse in numbers of believers can be reversed.

    • Adapt to far more rapid rise of childhood cancer and diseases caused by stupid humans spreading STD’s like he insane creatures they are?

      You think that 4000% rise in childhood cancer in 100 years is evidence of human advancement.

      Infected reproduction causes diseased babies. It ain’t magical like what Evotards believe.

      http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2015/08/more-absolutely-irrefutable-evidence-of.html

      • Clive Johnson

        By your use of “Evotards” it’s questionable whether you want to have a conversation or just spout off.

        (You may find it of interest that creationism in the U.S. is finally starting to collapse, at least in the younger generations:

        http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/11/polls_americans_believe_in_evolution_less_in_creationism.html)

        The wrote that “You think that 4000% rise in childhood cancer in 100 years is evidence of human advancement,” but nowhere in my post did I state that, nor any belief that social progress is linear.

        • You don’t seem to understand much, and have an agenda to fortify your brainwashed beliefs.

          I am an evidence ONLY scientist.

          Evodelusionism is a disease. This is proven by the fact that in every country where it has shown rapid rise, so has STD’s, Cancer and some 17,000 genetic diseases produced by ignorance and diseased lifestyles.

          Not that traditional religion of any sort are any good, but your religion is one of the proven worst, because people now think it is fine for their daughters to be diseased whores producing more and more mutated babies from infected reproduction.

          • Clive Johnson

            “I am an evidence ONLY scientist.”

            That you don’t seem to recognize that evidence can lack meaning and fail to expand knowledge outside of context and theory is quite apparent.

            This is further demonstrated by your grossly simplistic social theorizing. If you neglect theory, which you seem to do by your above admission, then of course you’ll wind up making poorly conceived statements like you have.

            “your religion”; “Evodelusionism”; “provent worst”–is mere rhetoric. You seem full of self-assured bluster, and have offered little else thus far.

            Of special interest in your remarks is your disturbing, creepy and rapey fixation on the sexuality of women, as if no men were ever involved in STDs. “diseased whores”? I bet you get a lot of dates with that language and mindset.

          • When you limit the information you learn from, you limit the ability to see the whole picture.

            When you do not go outside of your cult of delusions and see what is really going on, you are in a cult.

            A real scientist will read all knowledge from all fields, that mankind has to offer before making any conclusions on any part of it. If you are too lazy to do that , then you are not a real scientist. One thing is for sure ……: You have no standards for Truth. Or you don’t care about the Truth and are satisfied with nonsense beliefs.

            If you limit the places where you are “allowed” to absorb knowledge because some cultural icon tells you it is not good for you, then you are indoctrinated and have a very limited amount of human knowledge from which to make your decisions and conclusions for you own life and for the benefit of those around you.

            If you understand the nature of indoctrination it is to make you a victim of some human emotional mental garbage the same way your teachers were victimized.

          • Clive Johnson

            You know virtually nothing about my views of things and yet seem confident that you have me all figured out. In other words, your claim of being an “evidence ONLY” scientist is empty.

          • You are brainwashed by your culture and your culture is clearly self destructive.

            http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/

          • Clive Johnson

            You’ve already demonstrated serious self-undermining cognitive biases in your above responses, and now you wish to convince me that I’m deluded?

            Again, you overestimate your ability to discern the views of other people. Merely because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean that they are brainwashed.

            An irony that is not lost on anyone reading this is that you reject natural evolution, and worse, you presumably embrace the anti-science of creationism. Of all the popular falsified beliefs, creationism is relatively low-hanging fruit.

          • You are anti science. I am pro science. That is why I never believe anyone on anything. I can’t be indoctrinated, because it must be proven in the natural world to exist or it is fantasy.

            Evodelusionism, this idea that fish magically evolved into humans, is garbage. I has no evidence and ALL and I mean ALL the testable evidence by any standards of the scientific method show only genetic degradation leading to extinction.

            The recent evidence on humans is overwhelming evidence of mental retardation and extreme emotionalism.

            We now have some 1 in 3 teen girls infected with STD’s, RIGHT NOW, this minute.

            This is a human tragedy. STD’s cause permanent infection in women and men cause problems with reproduction and cause fetal mutations. When those viruses attack the reproductive cells you get mutated babies.

            80% of humans are infected with HPV which is a cancer causing virus. It also causes mutations in your reproductive cells. HBV is also common in 1 out of 10 births. There are some 34 STD’s now and there is no protection against most of them. Touching, and sharing spit will do it.

            We now have cancer as the number one disease killer of children and it is up some 300% in 40 years.

            Childhood invasive cancer did not exist in the 1800’s in any significant numbers; so rare that it was not documented. And it was only found to be cause of death in 1 in 45 adults in 1847 in Europe.

            Now it is the cause of death in 1 in 3 people before the age of 64. (CDC)

            All this is from infected reproduction.

            The second deadly killer of children is mutated defects to organs and body parts. Often called birth defects.

            Birth defects are caused by genetic deformity from infection and from a combination of two mutated and defective parents reproducing.

            Those mutated parents (carriers of inherited diseases) got if from their ancestors who had infected reproduction.

            The third deadly killer of children is congenital heart diseases, obviously a genetic deformity caused by infected reproduction and to mutated people who carry the defect from inheriting it from their ancestors.

            Their ancestors got it from infected reproduction. This is up over 200% in just the last 30 years.

            We now have 1 in 9 children born with genetic diseases that will affect them for life and they need to be treated for life. And their lives will be shorter because of this.

            The fastest rising death rate (after the fetus gets born) in the USA is children 1 to 4 years old. UP 4% per year.

            It turns out that in the last 40 years each genetic diseases and deformity is up about 6% every 5 years and it is accelerating from the diseased lifestyle we now promote.

            We have a constant number of STD’s in the USA now of over 120,000,000 cases and it has been rising by 20,000,000 cases per year for over 12 years.

            Another tragedy is the fact that 70% of wanted pregnancies end in miscarriage in the USA. This goes all the way from zygotes (fertilized eggs) that do not implant to 16 weeks of pregnancy and miscarriage. The fetuses are not viable from defects and diseases.

            There was a study about this idea that woman’s eggs get “bad” as the woman ages. That this was the cause of the chromosomal abnormality causing 47 chromosomes called mongoloid and autism. It turns out that the eggs are not the issue. The 40 year old woman’s eggs are just as healthy as the 13 year old. The problem is the infections the woman has gained from sexual contact over the years has given her diseased viral infections at reproduction. And as she ages her immune system cannot stop the virus from mutating her babies.

            The effects of this human genetic suicide are clear in the culture.

            In 1914 less than 2% of high school seniors could not pass a graduation test in Reading, Writing, Math, Science, History, and Civics. Now 40% fail to pass. And the academic standards are continually being reduced to match the mental retardation of the children, and still they can’t teach them to read nor write after 12 years of school.

            The clear results of this tragedy:

            Women in the USA are dying about 5 years younger than their mothers.

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449186/American-women-expected-live-FIVE-YEARS-mothers–scientists-dont-know-why.html

            And now doctors are so retarded they are killing more than 400,000 people a year from incompetence. Death by Doctor is now the number 3 killer of people in the USA. They lowered the standards in academia because they need doctors. The doctors who are teaching them are also more retarded, so they cannot see the students as being abnormal. The norm is retardation. The are producing doctors as as fast as they can, because the 4 trillion dollar a year medical industry cannot function without them.

            *Deaths by medical mistakes hit records*

            400,000 people die each year from medical mistakes.

            http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/deaths-by-medical-mistakes-hit-records

            The fact that the medical industry is the fastest growing industry on the planet is just more evidence that humans are getting sicker and sicker from fetal diseases.

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2015/08/more-absolutely-irrefutable-evidence-of.html

            The CDC has issued a statement that there is no safe sex. The only way to stop STD’s is to have no sex. The only other way to to have virgin marriage to an uninfected person and never cheat. The problem is in finding an uninfected person, because these infections do not show symptoms until they are in second stages of development and then it is too late.

            http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/10/what-is-safe-sex.html

            If 13 and 14 year old boys are having sex with their teachers and whores in the neighborhood, they are infected. Then they lie to their girlfriend about not having and STD (because they did not get tested) and infect her. Same with girls. Girls are much more prone to infections because of how they are made.

            What we are watching is the total destruction of human life and intelligence by this process if infected reproduction. So, not only are we cultivating infected whores as daughters and telling them “it is good that they are whores”, these whores are the mothers of new fetal mutations. These are the mother of our future, and they are so ill educated on sexual matters today. They cannot understand why their babies are so sick all the time and need to be taken to the doctor.

            There is no hope at all for humans to do anything to stop or even reduce this rapid genetic degradation, because humans have never succeeded in stopping diseases, but rather they promote them by utter ignorance of science. It is a negative feedback system, The more retarded the culture the more they destroy their own fetuses. And the whole culture is now greatly retarded.

          • Clive Johnson

            First, your claim that there is no evidence for evolution is a fantasy. It’s not even worth discussing. You’re in willful denial.

            Give your profound and personally unaddressed biases evidenced several times already in our short exchange, and your stated belief that you’re an ‘evidence only’ person, I have to assign a low degree of reliability to any interpretation of evidence you bring forward.

            For instance, you write about cancer and then add “All this is from infected reproduction.”

            I have no reason to assume this is true at all. We also know from environmental health studies that humans are subjecting themselves to an uncontrolled experiment relative to 10s of thousands of environmental chemicals, and additive/multiplicative exposure to agricultural chemicals. Adequate regulation would seem the rational response, but this is resisted by “small government” conservatives.

            You are right to draw attention to the STDs, but are you also willing to address the socio-cultural-religious factors that lead to these numbers? Texas, to state the obvious example, in its promotion of the usual counterproductive stew of sexual ignorance, fear and shame, and abstinence only, is leading the nation (last I read) in STDs and teen pregnancy.

            The statistics on mortal medical mistakes–I’ve seen figures related to this for years–are indeed shocking. If the public valued life, if the medical system adhered to a level of ethical and professional standards necessary in the care of human bodies in states of vulnerability, these many thousands of needless deaths would be among our most urgent priorities. You realize this is not the case and that most people would rather watch TV than participate in potentially saving their own lives at some point, and you realize just how primitive our society can be.

            Does this mean that doctors are “retarded”? What’s going on in all likelihood is a complex of factors–greater complexity in medicine; inadequate information systems; overworked staff; poor training in drug interactions; drug-resistant bugs brought about by idiotic anti-biotic prescriptions for viruses and American agriculture’s mindless use of antibiotics. There are no doubt other factors.

            The Daily Mail article you link to presents a familiar map: The American southeast, the most conservative part of the country, shows statistical concentrations of a very wide range of social dysfunction, from teenage pregnancy to STDs to high school dropout rates and on and on. Attributing falling longevity rates to genetics alone seems prima facie false when many social factors are likely involved.

            How do you square the Flynn Effect with your apparent belief that people are becoming more dumb over time?

            You are hung up on something. You use “whore” regularly, curiously omitting men from the picture. I’ve been around long enough to know that anyone who uses “whore” for women has non-trivial psychological issues with regard to women and their sexuality–control issues and security issues. Men who regularly refer to women as whores are more likely to rape them. In fact, anytime I encounter someone and one of the first things out of their mouth is some fixation on women’s allegedly transgressive sexuality, I assume I’m speaking with a rapist, either actual or potential.

          • You are evidence of mental retardation. You accept crap science because it was drummed into your head. All those cartoons on PBS are not science. But for retards they love this fantasy. .

            You do not understand that there NEVER has been one study or experiment EVER in any paper to show that “positive selection” is more than a brain fart in some low intelligence person’s mind.

            If you can find any evidence of this ever taking place then show it. So far all you do is ad hominem combined with ad populum and and the same crap that all Evotards do.

            “All the greatest minds today believe in Evodelusionism.”

            Weak willed people are weak minded and easy to dupe into this human emotional garbage religion called Evodelusionism.

            Your ignorance of science is really quite disgusting.

            Every country with a high percentage of believers in this crap have an extremely rapid rise in STD’s and genetic diseases in children.

            This is easy to find the statistics on this.

            Australia with 90% belief that “humans evolved from fish” has the fastest rise of STD’s at 400% rise in 10 years and 229% rise in cancer in 25 years (a record rise of death and disease from this religion of retards.)

          • Clive Johnson

            If you have an alternative to naturalistic evolution, one that’s actually supported by evidence and not supernatural handwaving, I’m open to hear it. Evolution is very well supported. Are all the mechanisms completely mapped out? Of course not, but it’s a fallacy to think that this counts against the theory.

            Once again, you have no idea of what I’ve read or the history of my reflection on this or any other topic. You can keep on projecting your prejudices onto me and others, but this won’t get you very far, especially in your own thinking–which is the amazing irony of it all.

            Acceptance of evolution is just as correlated with the rise of STDs as is adoption of the motor car, the telephone, and kitchen appliances, and the advent of the internet, and increasing gender equality, and dozens of other social changes.

            Not having a social theory that explains the rise of STDs, and being an “evidence ONLY scientist,” you simply attribute a negative social phenomenon to a favored punching bag, evolution. In other words, in the absence of any account of cause and effect, you simply want to pin the rise of STDs on a target that’s already the subject of your wrath.

            I’m not the least bit convinced by it. Social reality is (obviously) too complex for such a claim.

          • The Delusional Nonsense of Academia

            I am hoping for your sake that you wake up from this delusional nonsense that you believe.

            This is the Evotard Creed and Oath:

            1/ We Evotards believe that dead extinct hominids degraded and went extinct are human ancestors. By magical processes and mystical causes,somehow these dead apes that were wiped off the planet, were resurrected and evolved into “modern” humans.

            2/ We only look at fossils that have never been seen living or even have a living relative, In spite of the fact that we have 90% of the now living or recently extinct, non bird, vertebrates as fossils and the farther back you go you see higher fitness for survival, We Evotards believe and take an oath that this shows evolution.

            3/ We Evotards believe in magical beneficial mutations, in spite of the fact that we don’t see any in over 10 million DNA studies on humans and other creatures. That all we see is genetic losses with speciation, lost genes, lost health and shorter lives. And some 1.5 million species already extinct and some 47000 now on the list to die out. We believe that extinction is “evolution” because our teachers tell us that.

            4/ The Religion of Evodelusionism is this idea that by magical processes and mystical causes slime turned into one celled creatures and humans evolved from fish, in spite of the fact there is NO evidence for this on this planet. But we must believe in spite of this fact that there is not even one tiny piece of physical evidence.

            5/ Evotards believe that there was this mystical time in the past where species and science operated differently, that the natural laws of science in some magical way were avoided (by the “Evotard Fairy of natural positive selection”) and that now we see no creatures evolving at all doesn’t matter, because we don’t live in the magical times of the past where the laws of science were “different”. Every myth starts out with “Long, Long ago, and far far away in the distant land of the Evotard fairy, bla bla bla……the primal soup, and the matrix of these amino acids that magically assembled themselves” and other such crap.

            6/ Evotards swear to sell wisdom teeth, appendix, tail atavism, thinner bones, and other genetic losses, atavism’s, and vestiges as some sort of “refining” or advancing increased evolution and that white people are the highest level of evolution on the planet. (It’s roots are based on some serious racism. Now with the advent of DNA, we can clearly see that white people cannot survive past about 15 to 25 years in the wild with no medical nor technology. I find that funny/sad, because when I took “evolution” classes the “homo erectus” cartoon was black, representing that blacks were “less evolved”. Now we see the new “homo erectus” cartoons have pink skin. Not only is that funny to me, is just shows how full of crap these people are. If it was the truth it would never change.)

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blo

            7/ Evotards change the etymological meanings of words that have been used for centuries and mean one basic meaning. What is the real definition of “evolution” as it has been for centuries.http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogsp

            8/ Evotards take an oath to operate on “Judyism”, the religion of Judy Tenuta, “It could happen.” (rather than any form of realism or truth) is the bases of all those religious slogans. As if they are willing it to happen by faith and belief.. All we see in actual evidence is genetic losses, degradation of health, leading to extinction. This is obvious to all those who simply look around and see how fast the genetic diseases are rising.

            The Oath:

            “ In the name of our god Darwin and our master of death worship, who owns us, Dawkins, we pray. So, we can spread diseases and destroy the lives of our offspring and all future generations from diseased, immoral, behavior as our ancestors did to us, we will continue to destroy the lives of our children.”

            Here is Richard Dawkins in all his glory:

            Here he is glorifying death as being so good!

            “We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones.” Richard Dawkins

            There is nothing lucky about dying. There is no one who looks forward to death even when they are “deathly” ill. If death is so good, then why don’t you follow your own advice, Richard, old boy?

            If you are not seeking the Truth, then you are 1/ retarded and believe in magic. 2/ only seeking to keep your dumb ass job and feed the system. 3/ perpetuating lies.

            http://sciencereligionpolitics

            More Evotard Creed:

            “We believe in evolution, ( We are brainwashed from an early age and prepared by TV, Carl Sagan, PBS, and cartoon shows, and our friends, peer pressure and parents force us to believe, because we are weak and cannot look at real evidence.) so we look for comparisons in creatures and project this fantasy on life. We use creatures that are sickly, going extinct and say they are representative of our prior condition. (When they are actually showing clearly the results of “evolution” which is sickness, weakness, and total inability to survive. The path that humans are on and are rapidly degrading now at the fastest rate in history.)

            “We, accredited scientists never look at the degraded condition of all the modern creatures and tell people what is real, because politicians would destroy our jobs and we would lose tenure.

            We are here as paid shills to produce any crap that will sell this, Evodelusionism to the public and not let anyone know how badly the government and the rich elite corporate owners are doing at protecting today’s children from these rapidly rising diseases.”

            “After all disease is good for business! $3,800,000,000,000 per year.” 2014 numbers

            That is $34,650 USD per day for each citizen. Source is Forbes Magazine

            “We don’t ever look at the results of our actions and we attribute magical causes and mystical processes and sell that to the poor ignorant public.”

            To the Evotards who teach this crap and perpetuate lies on the public:

            You are accountable to every student you have lied to, and your desperation is now showing.

            Whatever you “experts” are doing is an abject failure to protect babies from diseases. It is obvious.

          • Clive Johnson

            You’re not interested in dialogue, you’re interested in shouting your pet theories at everyone.

            Your above list is familiar to anyone who has followed the evolution/creation “debate.” All of your points have already been addressed repeatedly in other forums. A minimally competent scientist would already have revised these misinterpretations with more complex and thoughtful views. To take one example:

            “If it was the truth it would never change.”

            This claim is true but trivial and only meaningful in context. A key distinction is necessary, that between propositions or explanations about natural phenomena and the phenomena themselves.

            Example: The standard model of physics, which describes elementary forces (minus gravity) and descriptions of particles. Over time it has changed, adding new levels of understanding through discovery of new particles. Does this mean that the theory can’t be relied upon–it’s false–because it has changed? No. It means that like any well established theory, the standard model is a true representation of underlying physical phenomena as far as we know, and later research simply uncovers richer details about how it all works.

            The same is true, of course, for evolution. That naturalistic biological change over time has occurred is true, even though parts of our understanding of this process are either missing or in dispute.

            Explanation in science is not anywhere near as simple as you want to make it out to be. Science is often not an enterprise of black and white but of probability, of false starts, of one hypothesis being discarded for another. This is actually science’s strength, since it show that it is capable of modification in light of better ideas and new evidence.

            Scientific understanding covers a range of terms covering how we describe the adequacy of our understanding, ranging from absolute to probability to the unknowable (like Gödels theorem or Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle). The adequacy of understanding can be encompassed by various understandings of the word theory, with low level to high level theory–discourse about which is probably more common in the social sciences.

            Populist anti-science rejects all the above in favor of unreflective popular maxims like ‘If it was true it would never change,’ or that ‘If we can’t see it happen directly we don’t have any evidence for it’ (which would mean that most of astronomy would have to be tossed out). If anyone traffics in these kinds of misunderstandings I honestly don’t know what to do over the short term to correct them. Those who utter them usually cling to them for psychological certainty–and, come to mention, this is perhaps the best reason for why they exist. People have a desire for absolutes and certainty. A hallmark of psychological maturity is aligning one’s epistemological compass with the limitations of human understanding, not pretending we’re gods with access to the ultimate truth about everything.

          • So, you think that if an infected woman get’s pregnant there is not infection attacking the reproductive cells?

            Are you really that ignorant of medical science?

          • Clive Johnson

            I made no claim either way about that. Read again.

          • Boreal

            Hi Clive. This one you’re arguing with is insane in the membrane. 🙂

          • Clive Johnson

            I hear ya, trust me.

            But then, why bother, right?

            I then tell myself that until we can figure out why it is that people continually reproduce dysfunctional and irrational states of being and behavior, we’ll keep on fighting the same social and political battles for generations. (I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir here.) I guess I view it as a kind of layman’s psychological anthropology, as well as practice in communication.

            I really think that the kind of mentality that can only see in black and white, that can’t integrate new information in tension with prior beliefs, that’s dogmatic, etc., is really harming everyone on this planet, not to mention the planet itself. –Apologies for the soapbox. 🙂

          • Boreal

            I had forgotten about this blog post until one of the ‘rocket scientists’ you refer to responded to one of my months old posts. I appreciate you taking one for the team and also appreciate your soapbox. Myself, I’m just having fun playing with them like a cat plays with a mouse. 😉

          • Clive Johnson

            Much love, comrade.

          • The Truth about your religion is obvious from evidence.

            Every countrry with a massive rise in the the brainwashed belief that humans evolved from fish, has and extreme rise in STD’s, Cancer and the other 17000 genetic diseases.

            The UK has has a rise of 706% in 10 years just in syphilis.

            Australia has 400% rise in STD’s in 10 years and 229% rise in Cancer in 25 years. This is the all time record for cancer rise in any civilized country.

            Cancer in the USA is now the number one disease killer of children.
            It is no longer an old age disease, and the fastest rising cancers are in unborn babies with spinal and brain cancerous tumors.

            The second rising disease that is killing babies and children is genetic deformity. organs not made correctly and body parts deformed.

            The third rising disease death rate is from congenital heart disease. It is up 200% in 30 years.

            What planet do you live on. These statistics are easy to find.

          • Clive Johnson

            So, you ignore my comments and rush back to your peculiar fixations, and then accuse me of not sharing them. Got it.

  • Charlie

    Why are so many people opposed to the church making comments here? If you don’t believe it, why do you care to read about it or discuss it?

    • Aquaria

      Because it’s not a closed forum, cupcake.

      I cheer the demise of your genocidal hate cult.

  • JackieTrinity

    I personally enjoy reading all these recent articles about “why are churches losing their memberships?” and “why are our young people deserting our churches in droves?” Like this article, most other articles written by older religious folks get it all wrong. But that’s okay. The more out of touch you old men and women are, the more young people will see it’s okay to think for themselves.

    My theory is that lack of information was what kept religion strong for so long. Now that we can communicate globally, and information is more and more available to the general public, religion has nowhere left to hide. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

  • I’d be interested in seeing the statistics on this one. Also there is the problem of cause and effect. According to the article the church is declining because of the type of preaching, many churches are works-based rather than grace based, and there needs to be individual revival.

    I’m glad the author pointed out “in my opinion.”

    One could list all the beefs one has with a particular church or small subset of churches and extrapolate that to all of the churches in the US. Since I haven’t done an independent, scientific, and statistically sound study I really cannot say what is going on “in the church” across America. I can only speak to what I personally know in my local context.

    In my own subset of Christianity, I’ve been noticing a marked increase in accepting a grace-based outlook as opposed to works-based. I’m seeing more believers reaching out to the poor and outcast. I have witnessed more folks trying to develop the mind of Christ in their day to day life and leave behind this idea that “church” is only about what happens at a particular place one or two (or three) times per week.

    If we are receiving missionaries, fantastic! We need all the help we can get.

  • PR8ZS8N

    The truth begins with atheism. Churches cannot solve people’s problems and offer no real world guidance. Religions are based on lies, and have no moral foundation. The internet is a light shining in the dark corners where superstitions hide. Start with atheism, whatever questions about life you may have, Iran issues you may be dealing with, and watch the answers become known to you.

    • Humans ARE the problem and Churches have been nothing more than political tools for the greedy people who own your country. Now that they have no power, they are being destroyed so the new stated owned chruch of academia and fake science can destroy human health much faster than the old church did.

      Here is some resent evidence of this:

      More Absolutely Irrefutable Evidence of Humanity’s Condition

      All of the evidence from the historical records of the rapid rise of diseases,

      The historical records of massive new huge hospitals treating diseases that did not exist before the 1700’s

      The medical industry did not exist prior to the 1600’s. So from nearly ZERO costs to $3,800,000,000,000 (3.8 Trillion Dollars) per year in the USA is an indication of the complete failure of humanity to curb their genetic suicide. That is over $12,340,000 Twelve million, three hundred forty thousand dollars spent per citizen per year on medical and still there is no cures.

      Greed, lust, anger, division, hate, race, are all disgusting human characteristics. Greed is a disease and it causes human diseases and suffering. Lust is a disease and we can see how that works. 300% rise in Childhood cancer in 45 years!

      Diseased (STD”s) parents have diseased babies. It is not magical. You cannot have rampant STD’s and the highest rate of STD’s in a country (USA) and not have diseased babies. How can we continue to destroy all life on earth for greed?

      It is not even stoppable by humans, because humans are the problem. No morals, no science, and the medical industry is a total failure.

      12,000,000 causes of medical misdiagnoses causing harm to patients.

      http://www.livescience.com/44888-misdiagnosis-doctors-visits.html

      The third leading cause of death is death by doctor.

      *Deaths by medical mistakes hit records*

      400,000 people die each year from medical mistakes.

      http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/deaths-by-medical-mistakes-hit-records

      Number one cause of death Heart disease. A proven genetic disease in which the arteries are etched by the immune system and that normally slick artery becomes like a gravel road and it collects lipids.

      Number 2 cause of Death is Cancer, proven by over 500,000 peer DNA studies to be a genetic disease of the immune system. Cancer cells are a normal occurrence in humans. The healthy immune system will destroy those defective cells. The weak and defective immune system cannot even recognize them as defective anymore.

      Number 3 cause of death, Medical incompetence. The MD’s today have all sorts of technology and still they cannot diagnoses and treat diseases correctly because they are retarded from mutations causing an overall retardation of humans. Memory loss is the most common disease.

      If the medical industry was a success there would be a reduction in diseases leading to no disease at all. Why do people think that having more and more doctors, medical centers, and diseases is a good thing?

      http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-medical-industry-and-what-it-tells.html

      We cannot even build a simple jet airplane because it is continually grounded for safety issues. Now, the DC 3 aircraft made in the 1930’s is still a functional airplane after 80 years. http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/04/travel/aviation-douglas-dc-3/

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-3

      We cannot make a rocket that will not explode, because of mental degradation in the engineers.

      http://www.space.com/27583-antares-rocket-explosion-captured-by-journalist-video.html

      In 1969 we put a man on the moon with a rudimentary mechanical calculator, and slide rules to make calculations on engineering. I know because I was there. The difference is the much higher intelligence of that generation.

      In less that 4 generations, 1914, we went from less than 2% of high school students who were “special” (we called them retarded because that is a medical term for low intelligence). Less than 2% of seniors in high school could not pass an English, Math, History, Science test in order to graduate. (Now, that test would be useless, because less than 20% could pass it today.)

      Now 40% of high school senior students are incapable of reading in English, writing in English nor can they do simple math. They cannot even pass any college entrance exams and the universities have drastically lowered their academic standards, because if they did not do that there would be no “students”.

      http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pubs/main2005/2007468.asp

      Only 23% of students tested above BASIC standards. That would mean that 23% got a “D” or above. In my day if you got a D you were considered “retarded”, “lazy”, and not wanting to learn.

      We are watching a human tragedy take place with mental retardation as the normal human. There are very few people who can concentrate long enough to even read my postings. If you can read and understand this, you are in the top 10% of intelligence on the planet.

      Humanity is degrading faster than ever. Over ten times the diseases, over 20 times the mental retardation.

      For over 200,000 years (by some unproven dating methods) humans did not write things down, because they had a nearly perfect memory.

      Like all technology. The invention of writing is evidence of human degradation.

      For over 200,000 years humans (by some unproven dating methods) lived with no medical, because disease was not prevalent.

      Like all technology. The invention of medical treatments came from genetic degradation.

      Now even with all the electronic memories we cannot keep from killing 400,000 humans a year from medical incompetence.

      No wonder there are so many “believers” in the evolution fraud.

      http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-medical-industry-and-what-it-tells.html

      http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/

  • Sarah Adirondack

    James 2:20 says that faith without WORKS is dead. It means that if we aren’t TRYING to live a holy life by avoiding things that are unclean and we are taking for granted Christ’s sacrifice then how can we really work to have faith in God and take his commandments seriously. You can’t pick and choose which scriptures you’re going to listen to and which ones you will. A person who is trying their hardest to live a clean and holy life is going to have a much easier life then a person who smokes for instance and shortens his life and dies of cancer. Or a person who avoids provocative styles of dancing may save himself/herself from sexual immorality. There is nothing wrong with dancing, though there are styles of dancing that would be wise to avoid. And there is nothing wrong with drinking, provided it’s in moderation and doesn’t go against scriptural counsel not to be a drunkard. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says that drunkards will NOT inherit God’s kingdom and there is a list of other practices that would not make you approved for God’s kingdom. So, yes ACTIONS do matter as a Christian.

  • Jimmy Fields

    Funny, the Apostle John in Revelation 16:12 prophecied long ago that in the last days “the river Euphrates would dry up” or false religion would dry up to make the way for the coming of the king (God’s son, Jesus Christ). Indeed, false religions who have proved themselves hypocrites and extortionists and that preach falsehoods like hellfire and the trinity are going away. Revelation 17+18 points out that after the pouring out of the sixth bowl that the seventh bowl will be poured out and the Great Harlot, Babylon the Great (false religion) will be destroyed by the Wild Beast (United Nations) completely because Jehovah God will put it into the hearts of world leaders (wild beast) to carry out his thought. Rev. 17:17 When that occurs, know that the Bible really is a source of wisdom and that the end is about here for these man run governments because God’s Kingdom will rule in heaven AND on the earth where only the meek who recognize the true God Jehovah’s supreme rulership who has appointed his son Jesus as King will inherit the earth. Psalms 37:10-11, Daniel 2:44 jw.org

    • Guest

      The river Euphrates symbolized the Ottoman Empire. It was dried up to make way for the kings from the rising sun, the sun symbolic of righteousness (Malachi 4:2). This happened already in WWI.
      The great harlot was the city of Berlin. The trinity is a good enough description considering that man cannot fully understand God, it is enough that he understands his place in the big scheme of things. Do you understand yours, little fella? Hell is spoken of by Jesus, I guess you’re calling him a liar? Well you go ahead,
      but I’ll take the word of Jesus over that of some JW knucklehead anytime.

  • When I talk with people of religion, I generally ask two questions that bear directly upon the premises of this article:

    1. When in the course of human history has the practice of humanistic ethics or the valuing of human beings for ourselves — apart from any concern for a Deity — ever resulted in mass atrocities?

    2. When in the course of history has the practice of religion ever FAILED to result in persecution, violence, and atrocity toward competitors, unbelievers and heretics?

    Apologists for religious faith contend that it is the excesses of individuals which get religion such a bad name. I counter that violence proceeds naturally from the nature of religion itself, and its requirement that we suspend our critical thinking and invest ourselves in being saved by an outside Power. People who refuse to think can be led to do almost anything.

    We should observe that there are many good people among religious believers — but religion didn’t make them that way. We can suggest from simple observation that they are charitable, accepting and loving people in spite of the silly dogmas in which they are encouraged to believe about “God’s Word” from the Bronze age of 3,000 years past.

    The first duty of every believer is to promote human misery and despair. People who feel good about themselves and their lives are poor candidates for intervention by an outside power. The same thought processes that operate in religion with regard to a Higher Power are present in Fascisim, where that power is replaced by The Leader.

    Why are people leaving churches? Perhaps it is in part because they are coming to realize that religion can rightly be characterized as the source of most of the great evils in our world.

    • ​ ​ ​ ​ ​

      1) All the time. It’s still going on today.
      2) If you mean the real religion of the real God, never. If you mean
      the false pagan ones, which are man’s own invention, see #1.

      • There are no “real” (as in factual) religions or real Gods. All religions are of humankind’s own invention.

        • Guest

          Prove it.

          • I don’t need to, Guest. You are the one making the assertion of “real” versus “false” or pagan. The burden of proof is on you. Nobody I’ve ever talked to can point to an instance in modern times when a god has talked to or revealed itself to non-believers. That isn’t proof of non-existence. But it’s at least mighty suggestive evidence.

          • Guest

            You do if you want to win. Isn’t that what you are here for?
            To win your argument? Can’t you finish what you’ve started?
            You have claimed there is no God, so the burden is on you to prove it, though an unbeliever has little chance; ironically
            only a believer could do that, but why would he? And no,
            God isn’t likely going to talk to you or your dumb friends,
            so never mind it then. Explain instead how someone who commits atrocities could be following the teachings of Christ.

          • LaDiablaBlanca

            No one ever proved god was anything more than a fairy tale in the first place, so ‘he’ is kind of still in that category. The Christian God is not real outside your mind. Sorry..but not that sorry.

        • The fact that you believe that, is found in the Bible. You are evidence of God’s existence from your planted beliefs.

          Jehovah said in scripture that he would plant in the minds of those living in the world, the thoughts to destroy false religions, right before the end is to come.

  • I’d like to first say that, many who’ve made comments here, have seemingly valid arguments. I’m not pretending to have the answers, at least not all of them. But I can say with some sense of surety that we have systematically altered the truth claims found in Scripture, in order to appeal to the masses. The result? A fundamental breakdown in how and what we perceive Christianity to be. It’s safe to say that the message Jesus preached and taught is NOT the message we hear from many of the pulpits today. There is little talk of sacrifice in the church. Little talk of radical obedience..the kind of obedience that could get you killed. We hear little, if anything about suffering for the cause of Christ. Instead, we get our spiritual bellies filled with nonsensical mumbo jumbo talk about how jesus is just waiting for people to accept Him. And once they do, they are promised to have all the holes in their lives plugged. No more pain. No more struggle. No more confusion. No more heartache. No more marital struggles. No more wayward kids. Blah, blah, blah.
    I spend my life teaching the Bible. I’m very fortunate to have a job that takes me around the world, helping people understand the real Jesus. Not the Americanized Jesus. But the Jesus of the Bible. And while I agree that there are many reasons that Americans have to disregard the American version of Christianity, I don’t believe we’d be nearly as quick to toss it all aside if we were living alongside of Jesus followers, lets say in China, who have risked it all, for the sake of the gospel. And today they’re sitting in cold, damp, prison cellars. Where is the prosperity gospel there? It’s NOT there. Why? Because it’s a big pile of crap. Jesus promised persecution would come to those who followed Him. He promised suffering would be a birthmark of those who have aligned themselves with Him. I can see why so many students walk away from their “faith”. The reality is, what they are walking away from isn’t God. It isn’t Jesus. What so many are walking away from is our American version of God and Jesus. Which sadly, is not even close to the biblical version of either. I’ve recently had 2 brothers commit suicide. That doesn’t fit well into an alliterated 3 point sermon. But, it fits in perfectly with a God that cannot be packaged and perfectly presented in a 30 minute sermon. It fits in perfectly with a faith that one must wrestle with, vehemently, in order to make sense of it all. Or at least partial sense of it all. That’s all. Now, feel free to throw your stones in my direction. I promise not to throw them back.

    • Aquaria

      Do you explain to these poor saps that your emo zombie deity will torture them forever if they don’t agree with him? Because that’s what he says in your book, several times. Why do you gloss over that indisputable fact? Do you need me to show you the verses where he explicitly says this–MORE THAN ONCE?

      You are obviously yet another degenerate for jaysus who absolutely refuses to use your brain long enough to think through exactly what it is that you sign up for when you declare yourself a member of this bloodthirsty hate cult.

      Do you not understand how much cruelty, hate and rage it takes to torture someone for five minutes, never mind FOREVER?

      Do you think that your monster deity doesn’t personally torture anyone clears him? If that’s the case, then you need to get over Hitler, because he didn’t hurt anyone, either. He only did what your monstrous deity did of setting up the system where it’s decided who will be tortured why, when and where. The ONLY difference between your deity and Hitler is that people targeted by Hitler could escape him. They could hide. The war could end. Or they could die, morbid as that is. At least Hitler couldn’t hurt them anymore after that, unlike your genocidal filth deity, who waits for them to die and then desecrates them forever afterwards.

      This is why I cannot belong to your murderous cult. I can never sign up for an idea that is so inhuman and hateful at its very core.

      This is what your cult is built around–believe or get burned.

      That’s the working definition of evil, and you have the utter inhumanity to call that evil “love.”

      And then you wonder why so many people find you abhorrent cretins.

      What’s sad is that the torture your deity would inflict would be far less torturous than the idea of spending eternity at the other place, sucking up to such a monster and his equally evil daddy 24/7 and, worse, spending it with the likes of you.

      I cannot think of anything more horrifying than that.

      • There is no “hell” in the original scriptures. It is only in the Roman Church who invented this idea in order to make people go rape pillage and murder and steal all the natural resources of the people they were “saving”. After all if you don’t do what the “god ordained king or emperor says” the Church will condemn you to suffer for ever.
        The Bible clearly teaches that when you are dead you are dead.

        And the Church kept the Bible from people for that reason. Power and control.

        Get a real copy of the Bible and read that.

        • Boreal

          There are no real copies. It is a work of fiction.

    • cleos_mom

      If you want to follow “the Jesus of the Bible”, please remember that he was a Jew of the first century CE; a radically different form of belief and practice from Judaism even 1,000 years ago.

    • I would agree that what Jesus preached and taught is not the message we hear in churches today. But to that I must add with some irony, that it is also not the message written in the New Testament. Paul and his disciples so completely altered the ideas of Jesus that the Carpenter of Bethlehem wouldn’t have recognized them. The historical record for this reality is analyzed brilliantly by theological historian James Tabor in “Paul and Jesus — How the Apostle Transformed Christianity.” It is highly informative reading.

      Nearly all of what believers think they know of Jesus has been filtered through the writing of Paul and his students. Paul never met Jesus, and in fact profoundly distrusted and denied almost everything the remaining leaders of the Christian church in Jerusalem said of their teacher. Paul began writing several years after Jesus death, probably before Mark, Luke, and John. His students likewise began writing 20 years or more after the fact. And Paul himself asserted that he “knew” everything that he wrote from instructions he received from the risen Spirit of Jesus, in Paul’s dreams. Paul claimed even in scriptures, to have been born specifically for the purpose of interpreting the life and work of Jesus.

      In a modern author, we would recognize such claims to be at best self-promoting and fantastic, even if we didn’t call them “delusional”. What is clear beyond the labels, however, is that Paul attributed to Jesus, things that no Jewish Rabbai would ever in a million years have said. The ritual of the bread and wine is a representative example. To a practicing Jew of that time, the eating of another’s flesh was cannibalism, pure and simple. The Eucharist is an outright invention of Paul’s, possibly created to attract Greeks and other Pagans who had similar symbols and rituals, to the new “faith”. The Eucharist doesn’t appear anywhere in the Dead Sea scrolls which students of Paul rigidly suppressed and whose authors they persecuted.

      Another book worth reading in this context is “Misquoting Jesus — Who Re-Wrote the Bible and Why” by historian Bart Ehrman. It was on the NY Times best seller list for several weeks, for good reason: it is both highly readable and carefully researched from the historical record of original Greek scriptural manuscripts and fragments dated to as old as 1800 years.

      • I have studied the Bible for over 55 years, and went to the oldest manuscripts we can find.

        Here’s the facts.

        The Romans destroyed and removed God’s name from all the manuscripts they could find. That is why we have none of the original hand written manuscripts by the writers. The oldest we have are copies. All replaced with “Lord” or “God” or “Lord God’ or “All mighty” or “Elioham”, or “Shadai” or “Adonai”

        The Romans would take anyone who used the name of God “Yehovah” in public or in writing and wrap the wet codex around their body so they would scream longer and burn them at the stake in the city center.

        You shall have no other God’s besides what the Roman Emperor decides for you to have. And the Romans loved to teach you that if you don’t do what the “god ordained” emperor tells you, the Church would condemn you do some fictitious hell to suffer forever. The Christendom Religion is nothing more than a tool used by governments.

        So the Jews kept God’s name private and even started using hand signals to replace the name of Yehovah.

        However, the name is still contained in the Aleppo Codex in two scriptures with all the letters, vowels sounds and consonants. It has been seen by those who have this codex, but still because of the fears put in the Jewish tradition and mysticism they are totally afraid to use God’s name Yehovah or Jehovah in English. It has become some sort of myth that speaking God’s name is bad. The Romans “did a number” on them.

        In old English the “J” is a “Y” sound so it is pronounced “Yehovah” for real.

        I want to help you to understand the words of Jesus Christ, so that you can get salvation and freedom from all false ideologies.

        Let’s start with something very CLEAR and EASY to understand from the scriptures.

        Just about the first commandment from Jesus was commanding us who to pray to and what to say and focus on in prayer.

        Jesus said: (and I put the Koine Greek transliteration there for you to see from a Bible Gateway transliteration of the original Greek.)

        9 Pray (proseuchomai) then (oun) like (houtōs) this: ‘Our (hēmeis) Father (patēr ·ho) in (en ·ho) heaven (ouranos), may your (sy) name (onoma) be sacntified (hagiazō, ·ho) 10 may your (sy) kingdom (basileia) come (erchomai, ·ho) may your (sy) will (thelēma) be done (ginomai, ·ho) on (epi) earth (gē) as (hōs) it is in (en) heaven (ouranos. ·kai) 11 Give (didōmi) us (hēmeis) today (sēmeron ·ho) our (hēmeis) daily (epiousios) bread (artos, ·ho) 12 and (kai) forgive (aphiēmi) us (hēmeis ·ho) our (hēmeis) sins (opheilēma), as (hōs) we (hēmeis) also (kai) forgive (aphiēmi) those (ho) who sin (opheiletēs) against us (hēmeis). 13 And (kai) do not (mē) bring (eispherō) us (hēmeis) into (eis) temptation (peirasmos), but (alla) deliver (rhyomai) us (hēmeis) from (apo) the ho evil ponēros one.’

        14 “For (gar) if (ean) you forgive (aphiēmi ·ho) others (anthrōpos ·ho) their (autos) offenses (paraptōma), your (hymeis) heavenly (ouranios) Father (patēr) will also (kai) forgive (aphiēmi) you (hymeis; ·ho ·ho) 15 but (de) if (ean) you do not (mē) forgive (aphiēmi ·ho) others (anthrōpos) their offenses, neither (oude) will (·ho) your (hymeis) Father (patēr) forgive (aphiēmi ·ho) your (hymeis) offenses (paraptōma).

        9 Pray then like this: ‘Our Father in heaven, may your name be sanctified; 10 may your kingdom come may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread 12 forgive us our sins a we also forgive those who sin against us 13 And do not bring us into temptation but deliver us from the evil one.’

        14 “For if you forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you 15 but if you do not forgive others their offenses, neither will your Father forgive your offenses.”

        OK. From this, who do you pray to and what is this “Name” that needs to be sanctified?

        Whose will is going to be done on earth and in heaven?

        Who is Jesus’s Father and Our Father, your father, my father; the Father of everyone including Jesus. Otherwise, Jesus would have said to pray to Jesus for Jesus’s will to be done.

        Jesus is not His name. His name is “Yeshua” which means “Yehovah Saves”
        Matthew 1:
        21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua, for he will save his people from their sins.”

        There is only ONE TRUE GOD and his name appears in the Holy Bible over 6828 times in just the Aleppo Codex. This Codex is the main one used to translate the scriptures from.

        Answer the question and we will go on from here. Baby steps to the Truth. 

        Here is God’s name Jehovah as it appears in the original 1611, first edition of the King James Bible. The most published Bible of all time. You can see Jehovah’s holy Name in Hebrew with all the consonants and vowels clear as can be (top center) as it was in the Aleppo Codex, the most translated version of the Old Testament. Please click on the photo and view it full size.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e2bac02860749399c868f2fb76b1cd7f9aa80fdc66914a365b1ecd1012ebd5a.jpg

    • Taking Baby Steps to Get Free

      I want to help you to understand the words of Jesus Christ, so that you can get salvation and freedom from all false ideologies.

      Let’s start with something very CLEAR and EASY to understand from the scriptures.

      Just about the first commandment from Jesus was commanding us who to pray to and what to say and focus on in prayer.

      Jesus said: (and I put the Koine Greek transliteration there for you to see from a Bible Gateway transliteration of the original Greek. )

      9 Pray (proseuchomai) then (oun) like (houtōs) this: ‘Our (hēmeis) Father (patēr ·ho) in (en ·ho) heaven (ouranos), may your (sy) name (onoma) be sacntified (hagiazō, ·ho) 10 may your (sy) kingdom (basileia) come (erchomai, ·ho) may your (sy) will (thelēma) be done (ginomai, ·ho) on (epi) earth (gē) as (hōs) it is in (en) heaven (ouranos. ·kai) 11 Give (didōmi) us (hēmeis) today (sēmeron ·ho) our (hēmeis) daily (epiousios) bread (artos, ·ho) 12 and (kai) forgive (aphiēmi) us (hēmeis ·ho) our (hēmeis) sins (opheilēma), as (hōs) we (hēmeis) also (kai) forgive (aphiēmi) those (ho) who sin (opheiletēs) against us (hēmeis). 13 And (kai) do not (mē) bring (eispherō) us (hēmeis) into (eis) temptation (peirasmos), but (alla) deliver (rhyomai) us (hēmeis) from (apo) the ho evil ponēros one.’

      14 “For (gar) if (ean) you forgive (aphiēmi ·ho) others (anthrōpos ·ho) their (autos) offenses (paraptōma), your (hymeis) heavenly (ouranios) Father (patēr) will also (kai) forgive (aphiēmi) you (hymeis; ·ho ·ho) 15 but (de) if (ean) you do not (mē) forgive (aphiēmi ·ho) others (anthrōpos) their offenses, neither (oude) will (·ho) your (hymeis) Father (patēr) forgive (aphiēmi ·ho) your (hymeis) offenses (paraptōma).

      9 Pray then like this: ‘Our Father in heaven, may your name be sanctified; 10 may your kingdom come may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread 12 forgive us our sins a we also forgive those who sin against us 13 And do not bring us into temptation but deliver us from the evil one.’

      14 “For if you forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you 15 but if you do not forgive others their offenses, neither will your Father forgive your offenses.”

      OK. From this, who do you pray to and what is this “Name” that needs to be sanctified?

      Whose will is going to be done on earth and in heaven?

      Who is Jesus Father and Our Father, your father, my father; the Father of everyone including Jesus. Otherwise, Jesus would have said to pray to Jesus for Jesus’s will to be done.

      There is only ONE TRUE GOD and his name appears in the Holy Bible over 6828 times in just the Aleppo Codex. This Codex is the main one used to translate the scriptures from.

      Answer the question and we will go on from here. Baby steps to the Truth. 

      Here is God’s name Jehovah as it appears in the King James Bible. The most published Bible of all time. You can see Jehovah’s holy Name in Hebrew with all the consonants and vowels clear as can be (top center) as it was in the Aleppo Codex, the most translated version of the Old Testament. Please click on the photo and view it full size.

      John 10:27

      27 My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

      John 10:14

      14 I am the fine shepherd. I know my sheep and my sheep know me,

      John 10:15

      15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I surrender my life in behalf of the sheep.

      John 10:16

      16 “And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.

      • Boreal

        Absolute rubbish.

    • I have most of the available answers from research. It is not “pretty” and the Truth is not for wussies.

      http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/

  • Patrick Anarchy

    The Holy Bible is from illiterate history& is hypocritical. It is also very fear based and uses tons of psychotic negative energy to seduce believers into historical & spiritual lies. Lucifer in genesis 3 was obviously attempting to teach adam & eve that human society would be CHAOS without spiritual knowledge of good & evil. However Christians and their ignorant faith positions seem to enjoy hypocritical chaos &obvious spiritual ignorance. Christians have a totally paranoid and violent belief
    system. Stay educated so you don’t have to believe Christianity’s spiritual lies& fear based circular misinformation & discover true peace in spiritual knowledge of eternal positive& negative energy. Stop dehumanizing eternal souls with Christianity’s violent historical spiritual lies ! Discover peace with intelligent spiritual Knowledge. HOWEVER,DON’T EVER SELL YOUR SOULS TO SPIRITS THEY LIE JUST LIKE HUMANS. I am a gentle intellectual. If you’re psychotic & delusional & think that I am the “antichrist” get psychiatric care for yourself.

  • Theresearcher

    I really liked this article as a whole and think it is insightful as to many of the issues the church has today. As I am a student of apologetics, debate and worldviews I have seen firsthand many of the heretical doctrines espoused by today’s churches. I fully believe we are in the time of the great apostasy and it is sad to see so many people not willing or capable to think for themselves and reason their way through the bible. Wth that said I do disagree with two of your criteria for personal revival. First is when you say one must attend corporate worship regularly. But this corporate worship is the center of the heresy we face today. Unfortunately the church today is sending people to hell and not guiding them to heaven. You actually pointed out some of this doctrine in your article. I know many that will not attend a sizable church for refusing to listen to this evil doctrine( for instance lordship salvation or prosperity gospel). What is more important is that people seek to understand Gods word whether that’s in a church setting or with friends or individually. I do agree that there is great need for fellowship with believers but that is not necessarily found in the places of abomination we today call churches. Second if watching violence on TV means one must immediately repent and seek revival then by your own logic the passion of the Christ movie must be one of the worst evils known To mankind. It isn’t so please review your logic. Generalizations are dangerous. Again overall a great article.

  • Scott

    Wow I can’t believe the vitriol in the comments here. Clearly I am out of touch with the most of the people on this board. I ran across this article as I was looking for some statistics on the number of churches in the US. While I do not agree with many of the authors conclusions I would like to reach out to the community here who is obvious fuming at Christianity. Ultimately for me Christianity boils down to a couple of points – First you were created special. You were made for a purpose, and that purpose is to love. That is true for every man woman and child who is alive today. Please don’t let the messengers, who are no more perfect than you, take you away from the truth that you are special. This message if accepted in faith can change your life not only in this world but (if you grant me the argument that there is a heaven) in the next. As many of you may know Christ was asked what the greatest commandment is and he answered with two. Love the Lord your God, and Love others.

    I am a member of the church but share some of the frustrations mentioned here. I was looking for the stats on churches because there are 100,000 foster kids waiting to be adopted. That is roughly one for every 3-4 churches. If the church was really like Christ this is a problem that would be solved already. Though rather than tear them down I want to challenge my fellow Christians to live up to who they can and should be.

    Again for those of you who are so unhappy with the church, don’t let the messengers keep you from God. Christ only exploded in anger at the church leaders who put barriers in the way of the people coming to his father. I would humbly suggest that you explore in study and prayer for yourself with an open mind to find the truth. I am both a scientist and a Christian and do not find one to in any way cancel the other, but that is just me. You are special and created in the image of God, who I believe is alive and with you right now.

    • This is kinda late, Scott, but I wanted to share with you why what you wrote is the opposite of helpful.

      First, you didn’t listen to what people actually said their problems with Christianity were, and instead gushed about “love.” If I don’t think your god exists, then I certainly don’t agree that he “loves” anybody or that anybody was created by this god for any particular purpose. Nor does a reading of the Bible make me believe that this god loves everybody. If you cannot demonstrate that your god exists, then you don’t really know anything about him. You are guessing. And I can’t speak for all non-Christians, but pardon me for not believing every religious nut making a guess about something supernatural. Your guess sits on a shelf with everybody else’s guesses.

      Second, your demand that we disregard the huge number of hypocrites in your religion is nothing less than a demand that we allow Christians to oppress and harm us. Would anybody who really values people advise an abused wife to return to her husband? Would anybody who really loves everyone put their children in a classroom headed by a known pedophile on a sex offender’s list? I certainly would not, in either case (though I’ve seen news articles about a Christian legislator who did something similar to the latter case, and I was personally counseled by a Christian chaplain to do the former). Your religion is known more for its hypocrites than for its sterling, shining examples. That’s not anybody’s problem but yours, but don’t blame people for noticing that your religion makes rules that even its own people can’t follow while under a threat of eternal torture, violence, pain, and mayhem that they claim to believe 100%. I’m not going to waltz into a sheepfold full of wolves on the hopes that maybe “Jesus” will stop them from preying upon me. I know better. I was Christian for the whole first half of a decently-long life. I know that Jesus isn’t making Christians better people. You don’t get to have it both ways: a living breathing god who improves his followers and meddles in their lives, but then also “sin nature” to hide behind when people point out how glaringly obvious it is that you don’t actually have that kind of a god at the heart of your religion and that its rules do not usually lead to people becoming improved.

      So first find a way to demonstrate, using objective, factual methods respected by anybody of any religious ideology (or none), that your god even exists, and then we can get to talking about why anybody sane should take this god’s demands, threats, and promises seriously. Good luck on the first; despite what fundagelicals think, there has not been one bit of evidence found over the religion’s 2000-year history to support a single one of its supernatural claims–and not much at all supporting that its myths even happened. They’re very good at hawking pseudoscience and revised history to try to support their myths, but sorry, none of it’s true. I care about the truth and don’t have time to waste on fooling myself.

      Sorry, Scott, but I’ll pass on your gracious invitation to get victimized and deceived. Fix your religion first, then worry about inviting people into your sheepfold. Right now all you’re doing is demanding we ignore the wolves in it and praising your wolf-filled sheepfold to the skies. It is grotesque to me.

      • oikos

        Thank you! Well said. Faery tales and nonsense have no place outside of a bronze age society.

        • Scott

          Oikos,

          When you say it has no place do you mean you would prefer it not exist or you think the protections in the constitution around it should be abolished? One is an authoritative political position and the other is a personal preference. In which way is your comment intended? Thanks for the clarification.

          • oikos

            I’m saying your delusions are not only a hindrance to advancement of society but in many cases cause outright harm. Look at the harm done to black people held as slaves for centuries. Women were also considered chattel and the current malice against LGBT people in the name of your god for example are what I would expect of bronze age savages.
            The Constitution allows you the freedom to believe in delusions but not to impose them upon the rest of a secular society. Once they infringe upon the civil rights of others then they are no longer protected. It is however the sheer hate that emanates from christers and the nonsensical rantings in the buybull that is driving people away from religion and why the churches mentioned in this article are closing.

          • Scott

            You do realize of course that slavery was ended by an entirely Christian movement both first in England and then here? Woman’s suffrage was also put over the top by a Christian movement (WTCM) as well (they were sick of drunk males making the rules.) Current efforts against sex trades, slavery, and fighting disease ridden areas (think Ebola) are predominately Christian driven and funded as well. If you want to point out Christians on the sides you don’t like at least acknowledge when you agree with them.

            That being said there are many Christian who take views I strongly oppose as well.

            So as a non-Christian are you entirely an atheist or more agnostic? Do I assume correctly that your beliefs are that you have no soul? That is a part of atheism I have a hard time grasping. No plan, no future, no over shared purpose? Regardless of any particular religion it takes a lot of faith to believe in nothing at all. Is this your belief or is it something else? I would love to understand better. As I mentioned when I started off I am clearly out of touch with the feelings of many on this board.

          • oikos

            This is it, the here and now. Make your life worthwhile here instead of pretending you get to go somewhere special when your body dies. My plan is to make sure I live well, leave the earth a better place and stamp out as much ignorance as possible.

          • Scott

            Ironically you and I agree on most of your statement. I also hope to live life well, and leave earth a better place. I also hope to find knowledge and truth which I assume you do as well. You seem like someone I would enjoy getting know in person but until then I wish you very well and I hope that as we both go forward we may find the truth for which we search and joy in the journey!

          • Scott

            Looking at your clip art here (didn’t come through before on my phone) I too enjoy the all of the above. Especially the wonder of birth. Doesn’t it make you wonder whether there is another better birth coming? In the meantime I hope you are filled with full joy at the other things on your list. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

          • oikos

            Yes my unicorns are about to give birth. I’ve hired an elf as a midwife for this better birth coming.

          • Scott

            Ok so if I am right and you are wrong and I see a unicorn and elf right after passing I will be pretty freaked out! If I go before you I will see what I can do to greet you with an elf at my side when it is your turn, just to get a laugh. Until then I wish you all the blessing from your post above and the peace for which you seek. I guess we will just have to wait and see how it all really turns out. Thanks for the laugh.

      • Scott

        Thank you for taking the time to review my thoughts. I would love to hear more from you as a follow up to some of your comments…
        1. Regardless of your thoughts on the existence of God do you agree that Love is fundamentally important? You are right if you feel that you are not created and are simply a body without a soul and I feel that you actually are a created SOUL and have a body then we are starting at fundamentally different places. The atheistic belief of no God and “Superman” as Nietzsche put it leads to his might makes right declaration. This put to the extremes in Nazism – no God, no rules – certainly can’t be what you are striving for. So what are your thoughts personally on where Love plays into your equation? No judging I am just curious.
        2. I do not demand anything. I am simply pointing out what I think agree with…Christians are no better than any people anywhere. It is a matter of whether you believe grace if offered to you even in your messed up state. I believe that, you do not. Christians struggle with all the same problems, addictions, ego, etc. of anyone else I have met. Going back to my first point without a focus on Love no progress is made in anyone’s personal life. You and I can agree that Christians are one of the biggest barrier most people have to accepting God. While I think you believe he doesn’t exist at all I believe otherwise.
        3. As for science and religion that is a fun topic that maybe we can talk about more in this thread. I will say that God’s work in my own life is the miracle I am focusing on. You can chalk it up to coincidence, positive thinking, or delusion but there have simply been too many instances of hearing from God in my life to write it off. My life is different because of the time I spend with God. That is just how I feel and you are welcome to feel otherwise.
        4. Finally you and I agree on the need to fix Christianity. I am focused on fixing myself first as that is what I have control over. If I feel the church should do more about orphans, I need to work with orphans. If there needs to be more love, I need to love more. The change in the church begins with the change in me. You are correct that rules do not usually lead to people being improved but I would counter that a relationship does.
        5. Finally I have no demands for you only hope and love. I understand at least some of your frustrations and why you think I am wrong. I think you can agree that both of us hope that the truth is found, regardless of how difficult that turns out to be.

    • oikos

      We are not any more special than any other life form that evolved on this planet.

      • Scott

        Is their nothing special about our ability to love, think, achieve, forgive, question. To know right from wrong even though we don’t always do the right things. But, knowing that makes us want to become better, unless we choose to harden our hearts. To care about people we have never met or even seen………………….

        • oikos

          Is there ?Not their.
          No there is nothing anymore special about us than any other animal. Yours is the very justification humans have used to decimate other species on this planet. Many animals love and grieve and they ,unlike us, do not destroy each others habitat or impose their beliefs on each other or wage wars for greed. They also don’t have imaginary friends and base their actions on them. You share 98% of your genetic makeup with chimpanzees, 75% with fruit flies and 50% with a banana.

          • Scott

            I agree that animals can have feelings, but there is an exponential difference. When 2 chimpanzee’s start having the conversation we are having about abstract philosophies, then I will concede to your point.

            You have faith that there is no God, which is your right. I have faith that God is Real, and that He loves us. Since neither one of us is God, or knows everything; all we have is faith. Things I would call miracles, you might call coincidences.

            No other animal on earth could have this conversation. To me, that is a miracle.

            May you be blessed!

          • oikos

            You don’t know what conversations animals can have: whales, dolphins, elephants and other animals are highly intelligent. The fact that we don’t understand their language is proof of how little we know. Again your ill gotten sense of xtian entitlement based upon the musings of an imaginary friend is used as justification to tout yourself as superior to other forms of of life on this planet and just one more reason people are rejecting this religulous nonsense in droves.

          • oikos

            So you missed my entire point that because these animals don’t speak your language, they have no conversations. This is the same argument used to enslave Africans and decimate Native peoples around the world by Christians. Failure to understand them and their differences and assigning them a value less than yours. Christians >others. Better cover up, your christian sense of (faux) superiority is showing. The arrogance of Christians to think they get to pass judgment on the value/worth of other life forms is sickening. There is no blessing you can bestow on me because I don’t believe in fairy tales or nonsense like the bible.

      • Scott

        Just to clarify I, I am not the same Scott hat posted earlier. I should have signed up differently. I only signed up to make this comment because I do care.

  • oikos
  • cleos_mom

    So far the clerical response to the rapid growth of us “Nones” — some of us atheist or agnostic but others not — has been to analyze the Nones’ perceived weaknesses and failures and to re-affirm teachings that even a shallow level of scientific knowledge render unbelievable or even immoral. Presumably that will lure us back into the fold.

    Kind of like standing at the bottom of a deep hole, busily tossing shovefuls of dirt to the surface. Keep on a-shovelin’.

    • Scott

      Sorry if you feel that way. I can only speak for myself but actually I am trying to learn what drives the thoughts of those who don’t think like I do. Clearly if you are on this board responding to these articles you are seeking to learn something yourself, no?

      I also find much about the church that I am not happy with and I do not agree with many of the authors points.

      While I am a Christian I understand and can relate to an Agnostic view far more clearly that Atheist. Many of the views shared by others here, though I don’t agree with all of them, are helpful to me when you weed out the anger and name calling.

      I believe ONLY a shallow (and very narrow) understanding of both science and Christianity find them unbelievable and at odds but that is just me. Too many people from both sides argue from a more narrow and not well thought out position echoing the thoughts of others rather than exploring them for themselves. I do not presume whether or not you represent that I am just saying I see the same problems on both sides. To really get to know how someone else thinks face to face is far better that a few words on a discussion board – current hypocrisy noted:)

      I would simply like the best for everyone and hopefully a chance to come closer to the truth together. Eventually a mutual respect and search for the truth should lure us all into the same fold I hope.

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  • EyesOpen

    “Preach eternal torment of billions of innocent people?” “What you preach could not possibly be the religion that Jesus preached?”

    I’m afraid Jonas is absolutely right. This is not what Jesus taught and actually not what the Bible teaches. Main stream religion made a horrendous mistake in the past in erroneously translating one single word in the Bible. The Hebrew word is “Sheol”, which was meant to mean the common grave of mankind but erroneous translations used the equivalent Greek word “Hades” which later somehow, someway got to mean a fiery place of torment. Can’t go into the details of how that happened. In the King James Version, it translated Sheol 31 times as “hell,” 31 times as “grave,” and 3 times as “pit.”
    But, you can clearly tell this was a mistake when you take into account one of the stories in the Bible where God gave specific instructions for the nation of Israel to keep separate from neighboring nations who worshiped other gods. One in particular, a pagan God named Baal. Baal worshiped entailed the burning of kids in the fire as a form of sacrificial death. It’s interesting to note what God himself thought about the practice of burning people alive. Listen to what God says in Jeremiah 7:31 “They have built the high places of To′pheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hin′nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.

    THERE YOU HAVE IT!

    God was so disgusted with the idea that it prompted him to exclaim that he never commanded such an atrocious act and IT NEVER CAME TO HIS HEART to do such a thing. Main stream religion really screwed this one up and now they are paying the price. THERE IS NO HELL PEOPLE.
    The Bible says, “God is love.”
    1 John 4:8 “Whoever does not love has not come to know God, because God is love.”
    If the idea of roasting people in fire had never come into God’s heart, does it seem reasonable that he created a fiery hell for those who do not serve him?

  • EyesOpen

    “Preach eternal torment of billions of innocent people?” “What you preach could not possibly be the religion that Jesus preached?”

    I’m afraid Jonas is absolutely right. This is not what Jesus taught and actually not what the Bible teaches. Main stream religion made a horrendous mistake in the past in erroneously translating one single word in the Bible. The Hebrew word is “Sheol”, which was meant to mean the common grave of mankind but erroneous translations used the equivalent Greek word “Hades” which later somehow, someway got to mean a fiery place of torment. Can’t go into the details of how that happened. In the King James Version, it translated Sheol 31 times as “hell,” 31 times as “grave,” and 3 times as “pit.”
    But, you can clearly tell this was a mistake when you take into account one of the stories in the Bible where God gave specific instructions for the nation of Israel to keep separate from neighboring nations who worshiped other gods. One in particular, a pagan God named Baal. Baal worship entailed the burning of kids in fire as a form of sacrificial death. It’s interesting to note what God himself thought about the practice of burning people alive. Listen to what God says in Jeremiah 7:31 “They have built the high places of To′pheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hin′nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.

    THERE YOU HAVE IT!

    God was so disgusted with the idea that it prompted him to exclaim that he never commanded such an atrocious act and IT NEVER CAME TO HIS HEART to do such a thing. Main stream religion really screwed this one up and now they are paying the price. THERE IS NO HELL PEOPLE.
    The Bible says, “God is love.”
    1 John 4:8 “Whoever does not love has not come to know God, because God is love.”
    If the idea of roasting people in fire had never come into God’s heart, does it seem reasonable that he created a fiery hell for those who do not serve him?

  • EyesOpen

    “Preach eternal torment of billions of innocent people?” “What you preach could not possibly be the religion that Jesus preached?”

    I’m afraid Jonas is absolutely right. This is not what Jesus taught and actually not what the Bible teaches. Main stream religion made a horrendous mistake in the past in erroneously translating one single word in the Bible. The Hebrew word is “Sheol”, which was meant to mean the common grave of mankind but erroneous translations used the equivalent Greek word “Hades” which later somehow, someway got to mean a fiery place of torment. Can’t go into the details of how that happened. In the King James Version, it translated Sheol 31 times as “hell,” 31 times as “grave,” and 3 times as “pit.”
    But, you can clearly tell this was a mistake when you take into account one of the stories in the Bible where God gave specific instructions for the nation of Israel to keep separate from neighboring nations who worshiped other gods. One in particular, a pagan God named Baal. Baal worshiped entailed the burning of kids in the fire as a form of sacrificial death. It’s interesting to note what God himself thought about the practice of burning people alive. Listen to what God says in Jeremiah 7:31 “They have built the high places of To’pheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hin’nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.

    THERE YOU HAVE IT!

    God was so disgusted with the idea that it prompted him to exclaim that he never commanded such an atrocious act and IT NEVER CAME TO HIS HEART to do such a thing. Main stream religion really screwed this one up and now they are paying the price. THERE IS NO HELL PEOPLE.
    The Bible says, “God is love.”
    1 John 4:8 “Whoever does not love has not come to know God, because God is love.”
    If the idea of roasting people in fire had never come into God’s heart, does it seem reasonable that he created a fiery hell for those who do not serve him?

    • SJ

      Yes, I’m no believer in eternal torment either.

      Lazarus and the Rich Man is a parable and not a literal passage but a lot of people use it to justify eternal hell doctrine.

      The word aion- aionios translated as ” everlasting ” in the bible means
      ” age lasting “. An age can vary in length but it can’t mean eternity.

      Most people won’t do a thorough enough bible topical study to know that though.

      Definitely, God said He isn’t Molech and His nature doesn’t change.

      It also says in Leviticus if a master blinds his slave that he has to set him free.

      Now God is not bound by His laws but Jesus did observe them.

      Everyone is spiritually blinded by God and /or Satan so in accordance with His own Old Testament Law God will set everyone free.

      Each will be saved in his own order.

      There could be a thousand year penalty for the unsaved thus denying them eternal life but ultimately even they get eternal life minus a thousand years.

      So the question is do you stress the penalty or not in delivering the Gospel?

      It really is perverse of some people to question a God who provides a perfect role model for people to follow.

      Some background on the subject:
      http://www.becomingone.org/nm/nm7.htm

  • Robert Hunt

    The Bible is a rule book for a time when we had no law.

  • The article is pathetic, telling us the cure for boring religion is increased strict adherence to more flat earth nonsense

  • CoffeeH

    But, also, as soon as a church fails, 1.5 more are planted. Churches are being planted all the time as population shifts.

  • The Oath:

    “ In the name of our god Darwin and our master of death worship, who owns us, Dawkins, we pray. So, we can spread diseases and destroy the lives of our offspring and all future generations from diseased, immoral, behavior as our ancestors did to us, we will continue to destroy the lives of our children.”

    Here is Richard Dawkins in all his glory:

    Here he is glorifying death as being so good!

    “We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones.” Richard Dawkins

    There is nothing lucky about dying. There is no one who looks forward to death even when they are “deathly” ill. If death is so good, then why don’t you follow your own advice, Richard, old boy?

    If you are not seeking the Truth, then you are 1/ retarded and believe in magic. 2/ only seeking to keep your dumb ass job and feed the system. 3/ perpetuating lies.

    http://sciencereligionpolitics

  • Religions and the First Lie ever Told.

    When you are finally exposed to the Truth of the Bible in a clear way from a correct translation the Bible no longer has any contradictions, and no conflicts.

    Can you imagine a “loving god” who would take little Buddhist children and put them in a burning suffering “hell” for eternity, simply because they were not Pentecostal Christians, instead, believed in Buddhism?

    This is exactly the type of garbage most Christian religions teach.

    Here is where this garbage got started.

    1/ Humans really don’t want to die. Duh! Death is not part of the vocabulary of our hearts. We inherited this eternity, because Adam and Eve had it in their hearts, before they inflicted death on us.

    Ecclesiastes 11 He has made everything beautiful* in its time.+ He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish.

    2/ Humans really do die and most never live again, having no “eternal soul”.

    3/ People want to think their dead family members are in “heaven with Jesus”. (They never stopped to realize that Jehovah God has a far better plan. Simple Bible study will show this plan.)

    Genesis 3:

    19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”

    Ecclesiastes 9:5

    For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.

    “His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; on that very day his thoughts perish.”—Psalm 146:4.

    19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread* until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken.+ For dust you are and to dust you will return.”+3/ The only hope for humans to live forever is by resurrection or being converted to spirit creatures according to scriptures. This is only available because Jehovah, saw us suffering in ignorance and death and gave us the way out; a way to return to the original condition of human life, with no death before Adam’s sin. And this life is promised as humans on earth.

    4/ Throughout the entire bible from the prophets of Jehovah and from Jesus’s direct statements, the theme of “eternal life or eternal death” is clear. There are many hundreds of scriptures that talk about this and they never talk about some eternal suffering in hell fire.

    Where did this lie get it’s start?

    Here it is clearly shown as the first lie ever told:

    Genesis 3;

    3 But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” (Has God ever lied to anyone?)

    4At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die” (Has Satan ever told the truth?) 5 For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.”

    —————-

    So, if the very fist Woman on earth, Eve, fell for this emotional nonsense, it is easy to see that others fall for this religious lie. It is Satanic to believe in the eternal soul of humans. It was the very first lie ever done on earth to humans.

    When Jehovah God created Adam and Eve, they had eternal life, and no death was existing, until they decided to “be like God” and to think they could outsmart the Creator of all Life. By defying God’s laws and God’s direct commandments they put sin and with sin came death on humans.

    Romans 5:12

    That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned—.

    Before Adam sinned against God, we had no death. God promises to fix this in the near future and to restore a small percentage of humans (who can stop sinning) to the perfect beings we were intended to be, like Adam and Eve before they sinned against god. If your religion teaches that you can keep on sinning and you will be forgiven, it has absolutely no sanity in it. Jesus came to REMOVE your sins, not for you to hang on to them as if they were “good”. Every thought or deed that causes disease, suffering, division, and death is sin. The problem is people are so emotional and stupid they think that evil is good. (According to Dr. Crabtree, professor of genetics at Stanford University, ,modern humans are degraded and much more emotional than our ancestors.) This is why so few will find the way out and so few can stick with the process of removing sins as set up by Jehovah God using Jesus Christ and the holy spirit that transforms those who can follow God’s laws as perfectly as possible.

    Isaiah 5:20

    20 Woe to those who say that good is bad and bad is good, Those who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness, Those who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

    Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6

    5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun.

    Victory over Death only comes one way:

    “He will swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will wipe away the tears from all faces.”—Isaiah 25:8.

    “This is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life.”—John 6:40.

    “The last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.”—1 Corinthians 15:26.

    “[We have the] hope of the everlasting life that God, who cannot lie, promised long ago.”—Titus 1:2.

    “He will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more.”—Revelation 21:4.

    However, this is ONLY for those who are able to become slaves of the One True God, Jehovah and no other way. No humans will ever be allowed to make the same mistakes. We are being trained right now in the paths of righteousness and no sin in order to live forever.

    http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20121001/can-you-live-forever/#?insight%5Bsearch_id%5D=4dd204ce-1ba4-4f52-8181-74cdea6494f3&insight%5Bsearch_result_index%5D=1

  • “There is an ongoing silent migration away from the church of an estimated 3,500 individuals each and every day. A 2014 study indicated that over 1.2 million people will leave the church in the next year. Several factors are contributing to this trend, but the majority of individuals who are leaving the church report that they no longer feel connected. Can this be reversed? Can the church connect with these people before it is to late?”

    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/3500-people-leave-the-church-every-day-139631/#gjoH4cCTO7Wh6z0u.99

    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/3500-people-leave-the-church-every-day-139631/#vWi7xS8q0l7F5mdJ.99

    This is Bible prophesy.

  • “There is an ongoing silent migration away from the church of an estimated 3,500 individuals each and every day. A 2014 study indicated that over 1.2 million people will leave the church in the next year. Several factors are contributing to this trend, but the majority of individuals who are leaving the church report that they no longer feel connected. Can this be reversed? Can the church connect with these people before it is to late?”

    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/n

    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/n

    This is Bible prophesy.

    Revelation 17:5
    5 On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.”

    Revelation 17:1
    17 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me: “Come, I will show you the judgment on the great prostitute who sits on many waters,

    Revelation 17:15
    15 He said to me: “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.

    Revelation 17:16
    16 And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire.

  • Revelation 17:1, 2

    17 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me: “Come, I will show you the judgment on the great prostitute who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality, and earth’s inhabitants were made drunk with the wine of her sexual immorality.”

    That whore is Christendom. The false pagan religion that started in Rome. The Romans removed God’s name, Jehovah, from all the scriptures and destroyed all they could find with His Holy Name. They did not want anyone worshiping the god of the Jews.

    Today that religion is now the perversion called Christendom. They have destroyed themselves by promoting lies and there is no Spirit of God in any Chruch.

    They are the great whore that is being destroyed in Revelation

    Revelation 17:5, 6

    5 On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.” 6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

    On here is the guilt of many killings and many diseases.

  • Christendom Churches have the highest numbers of pedophile preachers and rapists. They prey on young children and girls.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/03/12/evangelical_church_accused_of_ignoring_sexual_abuse_pedophilia_ring_partner/

    http://shoebat.com/2014/05/06/sexual-abuse-protestant-churches-catholic/

  • It is obvious to anyone who reads the Bible why these Chruches are being devastated. Jesus prophesied them to be destroyed right before the end of this rotting system of disease, suffering and death.

    Revelation 17:1, 2

    17 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me: “Come, I will show you the judgment on the great prostitute who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality, and earth’s inhabitants were made drunk with the wine of her sexual immorality.”

    That whore is Christendom. The false pagan religion that started in Rome. The Romans removed God’s name, Jehovah, from all the scriptures and destroyed all they could find with His Holy Name. They did not want anyone worshiping the god of the Jews.

    Today that religion is now the perversion called Christendom. They have destroyed themselves by promoting lies and there is no Spirit of God in any Chruch.

    They are the great whore that is being destroyed in Revelation

    Revelation 17:5, 6

    5 On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.” 6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

    On her is the guilt of many killings and many diseases.

  • 12grace

    It seems that the government has the churches by the 501C3. So, we aren’t hearing the word of G-d. We are hearing government mandated sermons.

  • Simple. Plain and simple here folks. the world that we live in is Satan’s World period. He is extremely powerful and has convinced everyone he can that God does not exist and that the bible is full of lies, he will go as far as he can to turn the entire world against God. When he fell from heaven, he took one third of the angels with him, so you have all these poisonous pills running around every second conning peoples minds, and they think its is their own thoughts, their own beliefs that come up with athiesm, and doubt but its not! where do i get such wild claims? The Holy Spirit is with me since ive been saved last month, and a veil has been lifted from my eyes, and jaw dropping revelations have been given to me in return that are quite shocking. the average person walking the streets buys into every hype they can, and deny God. Jesus said countless times in the bible that the world will hate you, they hate me, so they will hate you. He also predicted everyone would fall for false prophets and lies and deceive the very elite. Some of you who comment here think you are smart and you have figured out the answers in life. Satan has an IV drip hooked onto you and is laughing at you all the way to the bank.

  • Kdogs4life

    This is encouraging for those who can step back and look at if religion really produces better people. It doesn’t. A community only has so many resources, if they are being put into a school the product is a more educated public, if they are put into a church what is the product? The largest study on marriage ever done, and done by a religous person who was also a PhD in socialogy, revealed atheists have the lowest divorce rate. Countries without religion have the least violence and overall crime and the highest educated and healthiest populations in the world, they also have higher rates of co-parenting biologic offspring together in the same home. The most religious countries in the world (Afganastan, Somolia, etc) are the most violent and least educated. Religion has never been shown to make better people, and following a text that can’t be verified by history or science doesn’t move civilizations forward. Holding onto a narrative at all costs and denying the existence of human ancestors of other species when their skeletons are scattered all around the globe is the belief system of groups like ISIS who throw scientists off of cliffs. We have religious extremism right here in the US. There is a museum, that gets tax excempt status, that teaches that humans rode around on dinosaurs with saddles and we are all the product of an incestuous relationship between sons of Adam and Eve apparantly back-breeding with their mother. This is gross, disturbing and ignorant, and does not result in the advancement of civilizations, besides the fact that we just spent millions of dollars decoding the human genome which completely disproves this. Churches encourage people to ignore this research and go on with their incestuous origin stories (of which there are 4,000 different origin stories in the world today for the 4,000 different religions- of which Christianity is just 1. The chance that one of these stories is the correct version and the other 3,999 are wrong is unlikely and disrespectful to the other 3,999 religions. Science brings people together as demonstated by cooperation in space programs, the human genome project and the discovery of the higgs bosen which 20 nations invested 12 billion together to better understand the big bang theory. Give one example of religion bringing nations (of different religions) together for a comxmon goal to advance mankind and achieving that goal instead of tearing nations apart.

  • DKAR Hightech

    Psalm 53:1 abcThe fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.

  • KenX

    Very simple. If the flock is not fed spiritually by the shepherds they will leave. Spiritual nourishment – the Word, the spiritual energy – comes through the words and actions of the shepherds. If they have little or nothing of this inside them, they cannot give it to the flock.

  • Sharon37

    The real reason behind the decline is because people are just fed up with prosperity teaching. Having material things is NOT a sign of being blessed and highly favored. These churches are ego driven, profits based system ran on the same model as Wall St banking system. We are inanely born with TRUTH deeply embedded inside each one of us. Churches make money off people fear of death. All religions came out of ancient teachings which believed everything is energy and there is no death only transformation based on what you learned in this lifetime. Younger people see that religion is a racket created a long time ago to confuse people, steal from them and control them. Spirituality doesn’t require a church or a book. It just requires you looking within for growth and salvation. Earth is a school and we came here to learn. Stop invoking fear into people to buy outlandish church buildings that are only used for a few hours once a week. It’s a waste of money, energy, water, resources to keep these massive buildings operating. We the younger generations choose to go our own way and find our connection to the Universe within ourselves. We know this is right because we put our trust in the abiding love in our hearts rather than the words of a pastor or some ancient Bible that says slavery is A OK. It’s not right and we FEEL it in our souls that humans were born free and should pass this world free, Slavery is wrong and anyone that supports a spiritual system that says that it is ok must search their souls for the true answer.

    • We can see the “sins”* we inherited in the form of compulsions, emotionalism, fear, hate, lust, greed, anger, pride, basically all of humans emotional mental diseases found in DNA, that cause human to kill each other, causes war, cause screwed up ideas, screwed up marriages and screwed up children and screwed up religions, and hate anyone who has different beliefs. Division and “cultures” and all the mental permutations, constantly arguing, are a disease of mankind. It really is based on our poor quality degraded “genes” we all have that give rise to all the diseases and mental problems.

      The results of sin are in the emotional mess and in 17000 and more genetic diseases we have along with all the pathogens we have cultivated by our ignorance.

      Humans are now weak and sickly creatures proven beyond all doubts compared to any of our ancestors.

      http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/04/are-humans-getting-better-what-is.html

      Every aspect of your life and your actions and stupidity is contained in your DNA. It is said that we are slaves of the flesh now because we are so degraded. We have to learn to be free from this in spite of our selves and so we need Jehovah God’s grace through Jesus that “repairs” us enough to get free from the bonds of this horrible condition of continual recycling of the same emotional suffering over and over. (Clue, most religions are about money and God forbids making money off salvation.)

      Why is it that women and men continually recycle the same emotional patterns that cause them to suffer? Doing the same stupid actions over and over, never quite learning why it doesn’t work. Then going to school and learning from other screwed up humans teaching what is designed to keep the greedy rich elites and royalty in power. Also going to “church” and learning to feed the preachers more and more money in the name of “god”.
      There is no indication in any ancient scripture from any land that the teachers of Truth are to be paid wages for this work. The opposite is true.

      If a person commits a heinous crime, they can test the DNA now and find the mental diseases (sins inherited) that cause this**. When a teenager commits suicide, they have found in the DNA of the brain the cause for this very short trigger of rage that causes this momentary insanity.

      Basically we are diseased and will die because of inherited defects “sin”. We were not always that way and the evidence shows the same thing in all the testable evidence on humans.

      Sinful actions cause more “sin” (and sin always results in suffering and death), to be passed along to the offspring. It is sort of a cumulative pattern of ignorance breeds ignorance and suffering; found in the mutations that destroy our genome one or multiple mutations at a time, depending on the diseases we have at conception.

      It is easy to see this in other “tribes”, nations and cultures, but it is very difficult to see this in ones self. It takes humility to accept the fact of how weak and stupid one is and accept the Grace God gave us.

      The entire “mosaic” law for health and “cleanliness” is about preserving the genome and not allowing more mutations and to learn that Jehovah God actually loves humanity enough to go through all this and we should OBEY God’s laws leading to happiness and joy for living. It has no other purposes.

  • Faith in lies is no virtue

  • Faith in lies is no virtue

  • Mglass

    Perhaps the churches are closing because people no longer believe the messages they preach.

  • Edwin D. Delacruz

    ^_^ You say that “a works based religion” is driving people out of their churches. Have you ever thought that “the faith-alone religion” is the real reason why churchgoers are confused and thus decided to leave their churches?

  • WILLIAM JONES

    Why was jesuS not ground buried (?)
    Inadequate finance completely prevented expensive burial (!)
    Who buried jesuS (?)

    Satan must have wanted jesuS to be UNdead (!!)

  • WILLIAM JONES

    Joseph fucked mary virgin during pregnancy (!)
    jesuS was not from virgin birth (!!)

  • WILLIAM JONES

    There are and were no trees in Israel (.)
    How could josepH be a carpenter without wood (?)

    No manger could be made without wood (!!)

  • WILLIAM JONES

    How could wise-men following a star, arrive in Bethlehem on birthnight (?)

  • WILLIAM JONES

    jesuS may have been crucified for raping jewish females….!!

  • WILLIAM JONES

    cruciFICTION, written by SATAN….(!)

  • WILLIAM JONES

    SATAN
    SANTA
    CLAUSE
    CLAWS

  • WILLIAM JONES

    What language did adaM and evE speak (?)

  • WILLIAM JONES

    Have you ever heard a snake TALK (??)

  • WILLIAM JONES

    marY virgiN now lives in maryLAND…..

  • WILLIAM JONES

    What feed was used on noaH’s ark (??)

  • WILLIAM JONES

    VIRGINia M

  • WILLIAM JONES

    IDahoG

  • WILLIAM JONES

    jews do not eat PORK in public…..large pork consumers at home…..

  • WILLIAM JONES

    Monkeys are vegetarians and never develop CANCER (!!)

  • Joseph Bur

    The problem is exactly the same here in the UK with Churches being closest down on a regular basis. #soberwatersretreat.com

  • James 2:10
    10 For if anyone obeys all the Law but makes a false step in one point, he has become an offender against all of it.”

    In other words, if you make up false dogma, and fake nonsense not found in the Bible, or you change the wording of the Bible you have offended God. This is why God hates false religions and fake teachers. There is no such thing as a paid preacher according to Christ. It is not a W2 occupation. Christ knew that anyone who mixes money with religion would fail and so we have so many failed religions and so many people who are against Christendom, just as the Bible said it would happen.

    Yes the Bible’s prophesies include about false religions and what they have done to humans by stumbling them and mixing politics with purity of mind which can never happen.

  • In order for any religion of Christ to grow, you must know what Christ taught from his own words and follow that. That is not happening and so God’s Holy Spirit has left these churches. God’s Holy Spirit is what you need to gain and save others. If you don’t have that you are a dead congregation.

    Here is Christ’s own words that seem to be lost in religion.

    John 10:27
    My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

    John 8:31
    Then Jesus went on to say to the Jews who had believed him: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples,

    Matthew 12:50
    For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother.”

    Matthew 7:21
    “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

    This means to do what Christ taught exactly, and not do what God hates.

    http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2015/10/taking-baby-steps-to-get-free.html