7 Awesome Bible Verses That The Devil Hates

7 Awesome Bible Verses That The Devil Hates March 12, 2016

Here are seven Bible verses that the Devil and his demons hate.

Acts 5:38 “And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

This line must have enraged the enemy because he could no longer condemn those who were following the god of this world, being blinded no more (John 12:40; 2nd Cor 4:4) and the Apostle Peter added that “the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls” (Acts 5:39-41). This was just prior to Peter’s convicting them of the murder of Jesus, causing them to cry out “Brothers, what shall we do” (Acts 5:37c)? Peter’s obvious answer is just what Jesus said when He began His earthly ministry and that was to repent and believe the gospel (Mark 1:15).

John 14:30 “I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me.”

Prior to Jesus’ going to the cross to die for our sins and then return to the Father, He reassured them that the world has no claim on Him anymore. He lived a sinless life and one of complete obedience to the will of the Father. He kept the Law as we could never have done, thereby giving His life as a ransom for many. The ruler of the world or the prince of darkness has his hour coming but his claim is voided by the perfect, sinless Lamb of God’s sacrifice.

First John 3:8 “Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.”

The Apostle John writes in the 3rd chapter of the Book of John perhaps the best chapter in the Bible on how to surmise whether someone’s a false convert and one who is genuinely saved. Jesus, as the Son of God, came “to destroy the works of the devil” and after accomplishing this, John wanted the church to know who might appear to be saved but who really isn’t. Yes, only God knows the heart (1st Sam 16:7) but John makes it perfectly clear that “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God” (1st John 3:9) because “it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother” (1st John 3:10).


Genesis 3:15 “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”

This was the first mention of the gospel. It was a prophecy of what was to come thousands of years later and was fulfilled by Christ in the work at Calvary. Satan did bruise His heel at the cross but Jesus death and resurrection crushed Satan’s head and he lost his grip of those whom God would redeem. Now they are no longer slaves of sin although they still do sin. They only sin less than they used to. They can sin but not really enjoy it because their conscience troubles them by the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Jesus returned to the Father and sent the Spirit of God to point those who would be saved to Jesus Christ and can calm our fears “for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world” (1st John 4:4).

First John 3:10 “By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.”

The Apostle John, again in the 3rd chapter of First John, wrote about the confidence that the children of God can have in knowing that they are the children of God. That was a common theme for John as he earlier wrote that all of the things that Jesus did (John 20:30) “are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name” (John 20:31). John says as much by concluding, “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life. And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us” (1st John 5:13-14).

Matthew 4:10 “Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”

Satan was defeated in his attempt to cause Jesus to sin, despite his use of Scripture but he misquoted Scripture or took them out of context to create a false pretext (as he always does), so we know the Devil knows the Word but it’s not enough to know the Word. We must know the Word well enough to obey the Word, which of course Satan certainly doesn’t do, so “the devil left him, and behold, angels came and were ministering to him” (Matt 4:11) and from that point forward, Satan’s fate was determined. His fate would be sealed at the cross when Jesus said “It is finished” (John 19:30). God one, Satan zero. Game over.

John 1:12 “But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God”

The children of God are “born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God” (John 1:13). Jesus had told Nicodemus that “one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” (John 3:5) but as the Apostle John wrote, it wasn’t of the will of the flesh or our will that decided but it was God’s will as Jesus said, “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day” (John 6:44).

Luke 10:19 “Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you.”

When Jesus sent out the Seventy to preach the gospel, he gave them His own authority to not be hurt by anyone as He promises “and nothing shall hurt you.” Today we have the authority to go into all the world to preach the gospel of repentance and faith and Jesus reminds us that we “will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth” (Acts 1:8) and that power is by God’s Spirit and the gospel, which is the power of salvation (Rom 1:16).


We have no more fear of death (Rom 8:38-39) because our sins were judged at the cross. We who have repented and trusted in Christ have the adoption papers sealed and approved by God (Eph 1). For those who have yet to humble themselves, God is against them (James 4:8). Unless a person humbles themselves, repents of their sins (turns away from and forsakes them), and then puts their trust in Christ, they have the very wrath of God resting upon them (John 3:36b) which is to be revealed either after death (Heb 9:27) or at the judgment if Christ returns before they die (Rev 20:12-15).

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • pud

    Now this takes the cake! A “devil” jack? What other invisible non existent creatures do you “believe” in? Do you ever stop to pause and think how totally ridiculous it is to posit that the entire universe is nothing but a cosmic drama acted out between super heroes with pitiful human beings the insignificant pawns in the middle? I think you play too many video games jack.

    Why have you never bothered to understand the actual invention of your so called “devil”? You do know that it is an entirely made up character right?

    And there you go again with your celestial dictator pointing a gun at your head demanding that you “believe” or else! How could anyone “repent” honestly jack with the threat of eternal fire torture hanging over them? How honest is your “repentance” jack? How much of your “belief” is based on honest “belief” vs. terrorism by this heavenly dictator?

    Why do your cower instead of answering my questions?

    • Yata-Hey

      2 other scriptures to add to the above

      (2 Corinthians 4:4) 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

      (2 Timothy 2:26) 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

      • pud

        Quoting more verse from the buybull doesn’t add a single element of truth to this ridiculous nonsense of another invisible supernatural creature.

        Try doing some honest homework before you blindly believe in the absurd.

        The History of the “devil”…How he was invented…not real…hello?


        • Yata-Hey

          40 years of “honest homework” on my end. Before that 20 years of “blindly” not believing.

          • pud

            Is that so? Tell me then…How do you know what is “true” vs what is not? Tell me the methodology don’t quote buybull nonsense. Tell me how you KNOW that what you BELIEVE is true…waiting

          • Yata-Hey

            40 years of happiness and peace as a believer vs. the anxiety and emptiness that I knew as a non believer. “Proof (for me) is in the pudding”

          • pud

            Lobotomies are like that. Some of us prefer to know what is true rather than deceive ourselves with nonsense and make believe

          • Yata-Hey

            I wouldn’t know I have never had a lobotomy but I will take your word for it.

          • pud

            But you have. You’ve surrendered your critical thinking skills in favor of a feel good make believe story. Worse you do so out of fear and ignorance watched over 24/7 by your mind reading deity who supervises your every thought word and deed. You’re a slave

          • Yata-Hey

            Funny you should say that, not knowing me, when I have had employers reward me generously for sound thinking and critical analysis. When a person’s mind is at peace they tend to think better. At least I find that to be so personally. Jesus is the “Prince of Peace” and yes I do serve Him. Not sure where you are getting the “fear and ignorance” part, maybe you are trying to project your experience on to me?

          • pud

            Only slaves serve masters. In your case an invisible non existent master…now you tell me if that’s a sign of critical thinking. There is no evidence that any “jesus” ever existed. None and you can find none…try…use your “critical analysis” skills and see what you can find. You are delusional as all cult members are. Rational people do not “believe” anything without evidence. Rational people do not serve invisible deities who threaten you with eternal torture. Rational people do not revere human sacrifice.

          • Yata-Hey

            Ah, but now you are speaking out of ignorance. Lots of proof that Jesus lived. Having been to Israel 4 times and having walked where Jesus walked, I can tell you that it all lines up with what the Bible describes. I would suggest that it is you who are blinded by your hatred towards Jesus and the God of the Bible. You seem drawn to thinking about eternal torture, actually Jesus came that you might have eternal life not eternal torture. You have the message all wrong. Jesus wants to take your hatred for Him and exchange it for His love for you.

          • pud

            Show me ANY non biblical evidence that such a creature existed. I don’t care what you believe or what christian propaganda you’ve swallowed…show me ANY non biblical evidence. While you’re at it explain why this most important person/god that ever lived wrote nothing, said nothing and left nothing…not a trace. Explain why, if this message was so important, your “jesus” chose the most backwards part of the world to reveal himself and ignored educated parts of the world that could read and write. And finally tell me how you can possibly “believe” that the only way your “god” could get a message across was to have a human blood sacrifice which is the most revolting thing about your cult

          • Yata-Hey

            The reality is that no historian of any merit denies the existence of Jesus as a historical person, even atheist historians. Josephus makes reference to Jesus twice in his book Antiquities of the Jews. Tacitus’s work, titled Annals, written c. 116–117 C.E. references Jesus. There were a number of followers who wrote about the existence of Jesus within a 100 years of his death & resurrection. There are also many who starting out as non believers have looked into the existence of Jesus and His death and resurrection and have become believers in the process. I could point you to many resources that examine that issue, however with your mind being closed as it is, I doubt that there is any amount of logical presentation of facts that would persuade you to believe. The problem is not one of the logic and reason but rather one of the heart and will. Jesus said, “… you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.”

          • pud

            Wrong. Only biblical cult member historians try to defend the historicity of your “jesus”…there is NO extra biblical evidence. Joesephus wrote casually about “christians” but neither he or Tacitus were even remotely eye witness to anything. There were many contemporary real historians and the Romans were great record keepers yet NONE of them make ANY reference to any such “jesus” People who became cult members are not historical evidence nor is any writing by any “believer” 100s of years down the road. I have done my homework.

            Your “savior” should have mountains of evidence! Mountains of facts! There should be NO debate no doubt by anyone anywhere yet more people on this planet don’t believe in your “jesus” than do “believe” Explain that rationally.

            PS….jesus NEVER SAID ANYTHING…no name authors decades later “said” he “said”…it’s a story book!

          • Yata-Hey

            Yes a story: “The Greatest Story Ever Told”!
            The Jewish Talmud and Trypho’s debate with Justin Martyr are two other historical sources that reference the historical Jesus.
            You don’t like the Bible but it is the book with the greatest source of manuscripts of any document from antiquity. You can accept or deny claims made about Jesus in the Gospels, but you can’t pretend they were never made. Luke was a historian par excellence (according to Sir William Ramsay the famed archaeologist who sought to refute him at first) and he wrote about Jesus.

            And like I said before “the proof is in the pudding” I have experienced His life changing power 1st hand.

            PS. Jesus never claimed to write a book, not sure why you are hung up on that. However, a record of His words have been left for our enjoyment and benefit… it is called the New Testament. Try reading it.

            All the best – I sincerely pray for you, that you might come to the knowledge of the truth!

          • pud

            No “Luke” wasn’t anything of the sort! The book of “Luke” was not written by anyone name of “luke” LOL They all copy from mark…nearly word for word and it’s all hearsay! Hearsay is NOT evidence.

            You have “experienced” his life saving power? How do you know this to be true? Why doesn’t he cure cancer in children but makes you feel good inside?

            I’ve read your nonsense book…I know what I’m talking about. Your “jesus” was immoral! He endorsed slavery, stole other people property, urged people to forsake their families to “follow me” …like all cult leaders do.

            Tell me who followed your “jesus” around with pen and paper writing down exactly what he said? How would you KNOW if the words in your book are fiction or fact? What methodology would you use to confirm all the ridiculous claims made?

            Did Muhammad ride a winged horse to heaven? Did Joe Smith receive golden plates from the angel Gabriel? How do you KNOW they didn’t? Why don’t you “believe” those claims like millions of other gullible people do?

            Watch the video I sent to you…

          • Yata-Hey

            Of course you are much smarter than Sir William Ramsay who actually did the leg work to vet Luke. What are your credentials? That you watched a video?

            I know a girl who was healed of cancer and many others who have been healed. Is there a reason for your hatred – did He not heal when you asked Him?

            3rd paragraphs – all lies so I won’t dignify them with a response.

            “Proof is in the Pudding”

            Can’t answer for Muhammad or Joe Smith… but I can answer for Jesus.

            If you had something worth sharing I would gladly watch it… trash is abundantly available on the internet. If I was disposed to watch it I would but I have better things to lend my mind to.

            Open your heart, repent of your sins & let Christ prove Himself to you!

          • pud

            No you don’t know a girl healed of cancer by some religious nonsense. People have remission at the exact same small rate whether they are prayed over or not. There is no such thing as a “Miracle” Why doesn’t your “god” cure cancer instead of a token beggar here and there?

            Hahahhahahaha! I don’t ask favors from invisible non existent made up sky friends…only psychotics talk to invisible things. Are you psychotic?

            There isn’t a single christian apologist that I cannot defeat in debate.

            Oh no they are not lies. Your “lord” expressly comments on how slaves are to be treated. He expressly commands followers to leave everything and just follow him. He steals a donkey and kills a mans herd of pigs…theft! Have you not read your story book?

            Rational people do not turn themselves over to the cult so that they can know the cult is true…Tell your jesus to meet me for lunch if it’s so important to him. Clearly he can do that right? Funny he’s been a no show for 2000+ years!

          • Yata-Hey

            Yes I have medically verifiable evidence regarding healing but I’m sure that the showing of it would not persuade you.

            Also, regarding Jesus as a “no show”: Jesus certainly showed for me and I’m certain that He would show for you if you truly humbled yourself, repented and turned to Him.

            I would continue but I have been instructed by Jesus not to give my pearls to swine or that which is holy to dogs. I am pretty sure it was this type of discussion He was speaking about. So I must be signing off.

          • pud

            Healing sure, miracle NO. Show me the nobel winning study proving the healing was because of your jesus…good luck

            People have remission at THE SAME exact rate regardless of prayer or not. Every study ever done SHOWS that there is NO validity to prayer…NONE.

            He showed in your head. People suffer all manner of delusions. Go hang out in a NYC subway for a day

            Ha! jesus just instructed you? You are mentally ill

            There isn’t a single one of you on this site that doesn’t run away..not a one

          • pud

            You watch this and then pick it apart with actual evidence that refutes anything any of them say…I dare you to even try


          • pud

            Ramsey…born again nut case apologist desperate to find a shred of anything to support his delusional thinking…like ALL apologists…

            An apologetic argument that biblicists persist in using in their attempts to prove the inerrancy of the Bible is that the historical accuracy of Luke was such that it strongly indicates that he was divinely inspired. This argument is almost always accompanied by claims that Sir William Ramsay, a renowned British archaeologist, had been a biblical skeptic until he began his field studies in the topography of Asia Minor. What he learned led him to conclude that Luke was a “first-rate historian.”

            Norman Geisler appealed to this argument in the Till-Geisler Debate. He said that Ramsay had found that in Luke’s “references [in the book of Acts] to 32 countries, to 44 cities, and 9 islands, there were no errors.” One can go to the internet and find hundreds of website articles written by preachers and would-be apologists who chant this same theme song about Ramsay’s opinion of Luke as if geographical and sociological accuracy in a written work is somehow proof that it was divinely inspired. Wayne Jackson, a fundamentalist preacher whose articles have often been quoted in The Skeptical Review, was so excited over what he thought was attention to details in the book of Acts that he said, “Only inspiration can account for Luke’s precision” (“The Holy Bible-Inspired of God,” Christian Courier, 27 [1]: 1-3, May 1991).

            The problem with this argument is the same as that which was noted in “The Absence of Evidence” on pages 5-7 of this issue. When biblical “maximists” find extrabiblical confirmation of some information recorded in the Bible, they read into the evidence far too much and conclude that if some of what the Bible says is true, then all that it says must be true. Their argument is that if biblical authors were right in A, B, and C, then they must have been right in D, E, F, G, H, I, J, etc. The fallaciousness of this argument should be apparent to anyone who has even a minimal sense of logic.

            Whether Sir William Ramsay was as “skeptical” as claimed by biblicists or merely had reasonable doubts about inerrancy is a matter of dispute, but for the sake of argument, let’s just assume that he was a dyed-in-the-wool atheist when he went to Asia Minor. Everything he cited as his reasons for concluding that Luke was a “first-rate historian” concerned the commonplace and ordinary, but not one of Ramsay’s discoveries confirmed any of Luke’s many miraculous claims. Accuracy in references to 32 countries, 33 cities, 9 islands, and other geographical matters is hardly sufficient evidence to warrant the conclusion that Luke wrote by divine inspiration.

            Geographical, sociological, and political accuracy in secular books is not at all unusual. Any long-time resident of Fulton County, Illinois, can read Spoon River Anthology and easily recognize that its author, Edgar Lee Masters, was familiar with the geography of the region in which this book was set, but that by no means would prove that Masters was divinely inspired as he wrote. He was simply familiar with a geographical region that he had lived in. If Luke had traveled with the apostle Paul, as claimed in the book of Acts, why should we not expect that he would have become familiar with the places they visited?

            The book of Acts claimed 26 different miracles between the ascension of Jesus in 1:6-11 and the apostle Paul’s survival of the bite of a venomous serpent in 28:3-6. These miracles were as extraordinary as the claims that Peter struck two people dead (5:1-11) and resurrected Dorcus (9:39-42) and that Paul struck a sorcerer blind (13:4-12) and raised Eutychus from the dead (20:7-11), yet not one scrap of extrabiblical evidence has ever been found to corroborate Luke’s claims that all of these events happened. Some of them allegedly happened in the presence of witnesses that sometimes numbered several thousand, as in the case of the baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 in the presence of “devout Jews” from “every nation under heaven”(v:5) to whom Peter said that Jesus of Nazareth had been approved of God to them by “mighty works and signs which God did by him in [their] midst” even as they themselves knew (2: 22), yet despite the alleged openness of many of these extraordinary events that filled the works of Luke, not one of them has ever been confirmed by unbiased, disinterested contemporary records. As noted on page 7 of this issue, that is a silence that screams.

            The accuracy of Luke even in ordinary matters is by no means agreed upon in scholarly circles, but that is another subject for another article. Certainly, what accuracy has been found in his works doesn’t prove divine inspiration.

          • aservant

            So, if all of this is make believe, why do you persist in easting your time here? Do you spend as much time debunking Marvel comics characters or Disney stories? Just wondering.

          • pud

            Readers of comic books don’t try to change laws to reflect the writings in their books do they?

          • aservant

            No and I suspect you prefer laws that can somehow justify and endorse something in your own life that you know isn’t right.

          • pud

            I don’t prefer any laws. I’m a rational virtuous man who doesn’t need laws to direct me towards decent and rational behavior

          • aservant

            according to whom?

          • pud

            According to ME and the rules of logic and rational thought.

          • aservant

            Did you personally write said rules? If not, then you are placing your faith in someone else.

          • pud

            Do you have an intelligent question to ask or are you just intent on boring me?

          • pud

            Justin Martyr = mental case

          • pud

            “When we say that Jesus Christ was produced without sexual union, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended to heaven, we propound nothing new or different from what you believe regarding those whom you call the sons of Jupiter”


            Mythology…all of it

          • pud
          • pud

            PS…There is no such thing as “blindly” not believing…every human being is born a “non believer” in all “gods” “cults” and “superstitions” It is only through indoctrination that you fall away from rational thinking

          • aservant

            prove it.

          • pud

            Since when to christian cult people care about “proof”? It is self evident that all children are born as empty vessels. They are indoctrinated into various cults by parents and cultures. Fairly obvious considering if you were born in Saudi you would be a Wahabi muslim, in India a hindu and backwards Kansas a christian

        • aservant

          You are indeed blind.

          • pud

            Really? So you can categorically demonstrate that a “devil” and “demons” exist? That should win you the Nobel Prize! I eagerly await your amazing findings

    • aservant

      Why do you lie?

      • pud

        Point out any lie and show with evidence that it is indeed a “lie”

    • Doug Barron

      PUDDY I’m yer Huckleberry!
      I’ll answer yer questions! Pastor Wellman has other things to do besides answer your gnat-fly inquisitions.
      What would you like to know? Would you like to meet with me in the Rec. room, or in the Cafetorium, and we can share some jello?
      Love ya PUDDY!…really!!

  • pud

    21,000 children died around the world today but God didn’t give a shit. However, he did speak to some politicians and told them to run for President. He helped Russel Wilson win an NFL Football game. He made Matthew McConaughey win an Oscar and made sure Kevin Durant won the NBA MVP in 2014 !

    • aservant

      How do you know?

    • Doug Barron

      Why ya gotta cuss, buckwheat?

    • Jack Wellman

      Then why don’t you feed some of them. Since you don’t believe in God, then you are partly to blame.

      • pud

        We all share in that blame…wouldn’t disagree

  • suwannalu

    @ pud If there is no god or satan what is the reasoning behind being virtuous or decent?

    • pud

      Your question makes no sense whatsoever

      • suwannalu

        If God and satan do not exist. If there is no heaven or hell. Why would you make a point of describing yourself as decent and virtuous? Why would you care about anything beyond whatever you wish to do in each moment?

        • pud

          If all of your superstitious invisible nonsense could be shown to be completely non existent would you run over to your neighbors house and rape her? Would no longer love your kids or chocolate ice cream?

          • suwannalu

            Rape is not my thing. However you could insert any other action in that blank. There would be no reason to even have children. I wouldn’t care about being rational either. I think I would be a traveling beach bum with no visible means of support. My life plan would involve nothing but sand, Sun and water. Well maybe with tennis and weed thrown in.

          • pud

            Well that only serves to show how shallow and non virtuous you are. I would still get up in the morning, still love my kids, still be nice to the old lady up the street and still like chocolate ice cream….deity or no deity

          • suwannalu

            I would really like to understand why? To what end?

          • pud

            Doesn’t need some ultimate justification. Certainly eternity in “heaven” singing songs of praise with an infinite number of wacky christians at the feet of the celestial dictator isn’t anything to aspire to

          • suwannalu

            Lol, probably not all there is to do, but point taken.

          • pud

            I don’t care what the entertainment center in the sky is like…After the first Trillion years you will wish you were dead

          • suwannalu

            I don’t subscribe to unicorns, cherubs or rainbows. But I can imagine an endless supply of different things to do in the limitless universe (of my strong delusion lol)

          • suwannalu

            I know you are composing. In the meantime I would like to add that “religion”, “church”, “christians” “preachers” etc. Have ruined the name of my fantasy creator!

          • suwannalu

            It is unfair for him to be besmirched by these people and others like them.

          • suwannalu

            Right again, a very many of them are certainty wacky.

          • suwannalu

            Ach *many are certainly whacked out.

          • pud

            I don’t need to know that there’s an endless supply of chocolate ice cream to enjoy a scoop today

          • suwannalu

            Well, I do understand ice cream

          • suwannalu

            I haven’t claimed to be deep or virtuous.

          • suwannalu

            Also, why care about dead children? What did they have to look forward to if there is nothing after this pitiful 100 year or less lifetime.

          • pud

            That’s only if you consider this life “pitiful” I don’t. I find my pleasures as they come. You have to understand that “wish thinking” doesn’t make it so. Nature is a pathological killer and that’s just a brute fact of reality even if you don’t like it and prefer to delude yourself with fantasy worlds and realms

          • suwannalu

            Despite the pitiful things in life, I think a better word would have been short. I agree nature is an indiscriminate, brutal killer. That is a fact.

          • suwannalu

            I agree with you again. Wish thinking never makes it so.

          • suwannalu

            It isn’t fear of said deity that makes me want to do right . It is respect.

          • suwannalu

            If it could be proven. However you cannot prove your position any more than Christians can prove Jesus. And if he were to prove himself so that everyone would follow him there would be no free will. Everyone really would be slaves.

          • pud

            Yes I can. What to see?

            Define “god”

            Define “exist

            Then I’ll prove that NO deity can “exist”

          • suwannalu

            God-a creator or other object of worship.
            Exist- brought into being.

          • pud

            No…What I meant was..

            How do you define exist vs non exist. What property defines things that exist vs non exist?

            I will accept your definition of “god”…an object

            Now answer the “exist” question and I’ll finish the proof for you

          • suwannalu

            Creator OR an object. You have chosen object. And you are waiting for me to say existence is something that must be physically felt, heard , seen or smelled. What about the things that are assumed to be true because of scientific theory. Like things in deep space that cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

          • pud

            The principle defining property of “exist” is “shape” If something doesn’t have shape it doesn’t exist. Without shape and a distinct separation from the background of space which is nothing…it cannot “exist”

            Objects have shape. Only objects exist. Everything else is a concept or a relationship between objects

            If it doesn’t have the property of “shape” it cannot “exist” it would be indistinguishable from the background of space which is nothing so it would therefore also be “nothing”

            “god” therefore must be either an object or a concept..there is no other state of being..or he is “nothing” ..empty space

            If “god” is a “concept” then he doesn’t exist as a concept is a relationship between objects that do exist.

            “love” is a concept “justice” is a concept…they do not “exist” they are relationships between humans (objects) that do exist that do have the intrinsic property of shape

            If “god” is an object then he is defined by shape and dependent upon space to contour him. He is therefore no different than any object composed of matter in the universe. If he is identical to all matter and objects in the universe then he is not a “god” but just another artifact of nature subject to the same physical laws. He is a prisoner of space just as all material objects are. He would be nothing other than a higher order of life but he would not be an immaterial “god”

            “gods” cannot “exist” only objects can “exist” to claim that “god” exists is to state categorically that “god” is an object. All “objects” are material. They have shape. You cannot cite a single case where this is not so. If “god” is an object then he is matter and energy just like everything else in the universe.

            “Objects” cannot “create” Creation is the product of interactions between objects. A carpenter carves wood to “create” a table. Object acts on object to “create” another object. Every time every case no exceptions. “god” in order to “create” the world would have to have pre-existing matter with which to act upon to “create” the world. The pre-existing matter is as eternal as this “god” creature and thus holds the exact same status. The universe must therefore be eternal and this “god” just another element made of matter exactly like everything else from shrub to ape. There is nothing special or unique about any “god” All “gods” are material or concepts. If they are concepts they do not exist. If they are objects they are no different fundamentally than you or I

          • suwannalu

            A very good composition. I will take time to formulate my position and reply. Off the cuff I would agree with all that you postulated, adding that God is spirit , which in essence would be nothing.therefore making it impossible to prove or disprove by any means known to me.

          • pud

            Well if “god” is “nothing” then he doesn’t “exist”

            If he is “something” then he has to conform to the properties of “existence” meaning he has shape and is dependent upon space surrounding him to define that shape. He would also then have to be made of matter and he could only act on other objects made of matter to “create” anything. He would therefore just be another object composed of matter and subject to all the physical laws of nature…ungod.

          • suwannalu

            God, the intelligent creator does indeed exist and has truthfully always existed. The theory that this universe somehow got here by itself is extremely illogical. I see the proof of a thoughtful creator all around me every day. Intelligent design is blatantly evident in children, my dog, the earth, moon and stars, flowers, rain, tornados, cats, dogs, birds etc etc, and most evident in the design of my own brain. None of the magnificent wonder that surrounds us can rationally be explained away by the completely ridiculous notion of a random explosion followed by evolution. Which is the only other explanation. Either God has always existed or the universe has always existed. And it has been scientifically proven that the universe has not always existed. Therefore God exists.

          • suwannalu

            @pud Scientifically the universe started from a point and has been expanding ever since . At the same time it is dying which means it has an end as well as a beginning.

          • pud

            Wrong…The “known” “universe” seems to have come about from a “point” and is headed towards “heat death” but that is simply one explanation amongst many other competing “theories”

            What did this “universe” “bang” into? Nothing? Eternal space has always been…it is eternal. The “big bang” was an event within the eternal universe not the beginning of it.

            No one knows what preceded the “big bang”

            Not knowing doesn’t infer a “god” or specifically your “god” which was invented about 3000 years ago as one of many thousands of “gods” invented by humans

          • pud


            1. which “god”?
            2 whose “god”? Yours?
            3 Who said it “got here by itself”?
            4. It’s eternal
            5. How did a “god” get here by itself?
            6 How did “your” “god” get here by himself?
            7 There is no such thing as ID..you see what you want to see and infer what you want given your limited intellect and education.
            8. Wasn’t an “explosion”
            9. That’s not the “only” other explanation
            10. Has not been “proved” that the universe hasn’t always existed. The “big bang” is not proved and it was an event within the universe not the “creation” OF the universe.

            Your “proof” is simple minded

          • suwannalu

            Yes, my God.
            The universe is eternal? And we are mortal? Bahahahahahahahahaha
            When you resort to name calling you have lost.
            I don’t care what it was.
            You can’t think you were going to change my mind when you are so wrong and have provided no proof at all ,only theory.
            I never even considered you changing your distorted views.

          • pud

            Yeah we are mortal…duh

          • suwannalu

            Guess we will just have to wait and see. However if I am wrong it makes no difference either way. If you are wrong though, I don’t think you will like the way it turns out.

          • pud

            Oh no! I better make myself “believe” nonsense or else! You better start “believing” in Allah or else! And Zeus just in case!

          • suwannalu

            Oh, I do believe in Allah and zeus. They are both demons

          • pud

            Run along now..I hear your unicorn stomping around

          • suwannalu
          • suwannalu

            I’m simple, yet you just admitted it was all theory.

          • pud

            You don’t even know what a “theory” is do you? Yet you pontificate ….lol

          • suwannalu

            Theory=every single thing you have posited that is not fact.

          • pud

            A “theory” is a complete explanation of a given phenomenon that combines “facts” into a cohesive description …it is superior to a “fact”

          • suwannalu

            Your facts are as weak as your theories.

          • pud

            You clearly aren’t very bright or educated…do you live in Kansas too? Bye bye

          • suwannalu

            No Kansas. I’m not familiar with this website. Just stumbled across this thread.

          • suwannalu

            My education may be lacking but I would match IQ with you anytime.

          • pud

            Great! You’re a giant Bazooka with no ammo.

          • suwannalu

            Lol, because I lack a degree I have zero ammunition.. You have angrily pronounced yourself so intellectually superior to everyone. As if you know everything about everything. Well that makes u appear as narrow minded and ignorant as any other fanatic. Roflmfao

          • pud

            You are irrational and make lots of unsubstantiated ridiculous nonsensical claims…that is why you can easily be dismissed. I only speak on matter that I’m sure of and can defend

          • suwannalu

            I literally cannot stop laughing at your assurance that you have successfully defended your own ignorant fairy tale.

          • pud

            I have the data, the rational argument, the logic and the lack of superstition. I win

          • suwannalu

            Sure, declare yourself the winner. So you are the master of the absence of religion,judge , jury , the final word of the universe. Should I bow down to you.

          • pud

            Feel free to challenge me on anything.

          • suwannalu

            Yep, a made up children’s story about magical lands that have just always existed, and the best part it spawned magical creatures.

          • suwannalu

            Furthermore you didn’t make up the story you just regurgitate.

          • pud

            We all parrot others. None of us unless you’re Einstein have original ideas. The key is knowing who to listen to and who not to as well as being able to critically think

          • pud

            Only your made up “god” performs magic….abbra kadabbra! Calling things into existence from nothing with incantations.

          • suwannalu

            The danger of your thinking lies in the fact that just like a cult would, you have supplied all these facts, which I already told you I agree with. these facts do not mean that there is no God , just that you nor anyone else can understand him. The second critical failure of your logic is ;because you do not understand it it doesn’t exist. However you are missing the fact that God is spirit. Humans also have an eternal spirit. It is impossible to disprove because it is the truth. Denominations, The Church,church, televangelists, Christians, little c Christians, preachers,priests,pastors and people in general have screwed it up. That does not mean that it is not true. Your fatal flaw in the theory is that because your facts are true you can then suppose that there is no God. This theory has been regurgitated before and you act as if you made it up. What astounds me is that you can be so sure about your story , that you read or heard somewhere is more valid than my story that I read/heard somewhere. None of us were here and you arrogantly suppose that your silly arguments are valid and mine are not. Smdh

          • suwannalu

            Clarifying . To suppose the bible is invalid because you do not like that it is outrageous and outlandish. And to also suppose your ancient writings are valid because you like the sound of them is foolishness.

          • pud

            I would not dismiss the buybull because I didn’t like it. I dismiss it because it can be shown to be false, immoral, contradictory and a made up story. I do not blindly accept or reject anything

          • pud

            Understand something…There are NO absolutes. Everything is a probability function…everything. For the purposes of living however we have no choice as rational beings but to provisionally accept those things with the highest probability.

            We establish probability through testing, measuring, repetition and “rational argument” using the rules of logic.

            There is NO evidence for any “god” NONE, ZERO, NADA therefore it is irrational to even posit one. Further as I explained it is impossible for the common definition of a “god” to exist for the very definition of “existence” precludes any “god”

            I do not have to “understand” to dismiss. If something is contradictory for example I can completely dismiss it without having a clue what the subject is.

            We KNOW what “exists” because we have a definition of “existence” and ALL “gods” fail the test as I explained earlier

          • suwannalu

            We agree. There are n o absolutes. Everything is probability. You have repeatedly failed to show any real proof of your theory. God exists outside of your definition of existence. You cannot test or measure him, so you conclude that he is fantasy.You think because your rational argument leads you to dismiss God and his bible as contradictory to your unbelief that all must come to the same conclusion or be ignorant and superstitious. The highest probability here is intelligent design. Your logic is flawed , but you are spot on on your repetition. And you have also failed to prove that the bible is any of the things that you listed.

          • pud

            You’re not paying attention. The only “proofs” are in mathematics, logic and by definition. We cannot offer “proofs” only probabilities. I have constructed a logical proof. For a “god” to “exist” he MUST be an object. For a “creation” there MUST be 2 or more objects interacting. At best anything that might be called a “god” is just another natural manifestation comprised of matter.

            No the highest probability IS NOT intelligent design as there is absolutely NO evidence for it. Everything we observe in nature has a NATURAL cause and you cannot demonstrate a single example to the contrary.

            There was no global flood. There, done.

          • suwannalu

            things such as the amazing complexities of the human brain, body and human emotions cannot be explained away adequately by nature alone. You will never convince me of your insane position and I never expected you to accept my beliefs. I just enjoy talking to you..

          • pud

            Science and rational thinking don’t “explain away” They seek to explain in rational testable ways.

            I’m sure you will never be convinced. The religious are married to their positions. Your whole world rests on denial of evidence..mine does not.

            Would you agree that to “create” a highly complex organism would require an even more complex organism?

            Yes or No

            You must answer “yes”

            Applying that logic to your deity…would he not (being more complex than the things he “created” have to have been designed himself by an even more complex entity?

            If you say no and offer up some nonsense I’m going to press you hard to explain your “special pleading” non answer

          • suwannalu

            Apply that same logic to your eternal universe theory. Was it once just random matter? Or were biological creatures always here? Where did the random matter come from? Where did beings with cells come from? If not created by a more complex entity, how did the universe become so complex? How can the prospect of an eternal God who was just always here and nobody knows how he got here, be less probable than a universe that was just always here and nobody knows how it got here. One is a living being the other inanimate objects. How did these objects interact to produce anything at all much less a human being? If something cannot be created from nothing, how did the universe create itself and then all life forms. How did the sun get just the right distance from the earth to sustain life and not burn or freeze it.? Looking back over our conversation you have provided no real evidence that would persuade anyone of your fantastical argument.

          • pud

            I don’t mind communicating with you but I insist that you proof read your posts before you hit the “post” button..

            If the universe, matter and energy are eternal they didn’t have to come from anywhere. That is the nature of being eternal. Just because your human experience has trouble with this doesn’t mean it isn’t so. See the 1st Law of Thermodynamics

            Biological entities are the product of evolution. The raw material of the universe combined with energy.

            The universe is “complex” because there is energy in it to do work. The vast majority of the universe is nothing but there are pockets of complexity like our solar system

            A “god” on top of a universe is less probable because it layers on another parameter and begs the next logical question …What more complex entity created this “god”? You cannot just stop where you want to stop and make the “claim” that that’s where it ends

            The “universe” is eternal it didn’t “create itself” All nature does is recycle matter over and over eternally. I just told you that biology is the product of matter, energy and time.

            The sun didn’t just get into the right position. It just happened to be the way it is…and rest assured it’s not going to stay that way…It will swell and obliterate the earth and then there will be no trace it ever existed at all…recycled

            My argument is based on fact not fantasy. I don’t invent invisible beings. I present rational arguments not a complex man shaped invisible deity living beyond space and time watching everything you do and periodically intervening in human affairs with floods and human sacrifice! LOL

          • pud

            PS…Which is more likely….The universe is eternal or it popped into existence from nothing? How did your “god” create it?…from nothing? See the corner you paint yourself into? You theists scoff at something from nothing but your scenario is exactly that! Your “god” entity speaks matter and energy into existence with a magical incantation from nothing! Magic! You have to defend that and an eternal being on top of that! Think this through before you challenge me again ok?

          • suwannalu

            Energy interacted with matter over millennia until humans were evolved. And you find that less preposterous than intelligent design. Rotflmfao

          • pud

            For all the actual physical principles I articulated…It is clear to me now that you are a very stupid person. I don’t engage stupid people..good day

          • suwannalu

            …and they parted ways, each convinced that the other was an idiot. Hahaha a hahahahahahaha

          • pud

            I have a mountain of evidence to back up my claim that you’re an idiot…you, not so much

          • suwannalu

            But still neither of us has presented enough evidence to win the case. Your evidence while nice and articulate is heavy on the evolution babble. Things like “define exist” do not help your case.

          • pud

            It’s a waste of my time to continue with you when you have no respect for science, logic or the need for clear definition of terms.

            The definition of “exist” is critical to any discussion,

            Evolution is a SCIENTIFIC FACT more supported by evidence than any theory in science. More than gravity theory, more than germ theory, more than atomic theory. It is supported by every related branch of science from Anatomy to genetics to paleontology …every single credible scientist and rational person KNOWS that evolution is a scientific FACT

            See? It’s pointless engaging you further

          • suwannalu

            Oh pud, you are so angry. Because a group of people (Christians) are pushing their agenda? All groups of people push their own agendas.You are certainly going hard at yours… for some reason. Your motivation and goal escape me.

          • pud

            Not angry at all. My motivation is to get you to stop influencing public policy, stop indoctrinating children and stop inhibiting humanity from advancement. If you were to keep your delusional wish thinking death cult to yourself we wouldn’t have any reason to exchange a word

          • Jack Wellman

            Great question Suwannalu. I think he has an ax to grind, otherwise, his motivation and goal are a mystery.

          • Jack Wellman

            Sorry Pud, wrong….evolution is a theory and by the way, there is no “gravity theory” and evolution is not called a scientific fact…it is called the “theory of evolution.”

          • pud

            Simple Jack…Are you really and truly this uneducated and overtly ignorant? Do you even know how to use a dictionary so you don’t embarrass yourself?

            Theory….A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.

            Would that have been so hard to look up?

            Everything postulated by science IS A THEORY! Science doesn’t deal in facts it deals in probabilities. Theories are comprehensive explanations that carry more weight than any single agreed upon truth. Theory is THE highest state in science.

            Gravity IS A THEORY. Atomic science is ATOMIC THEORY…Disease study is GERM THEORY etc etc

            a·tom·ic the·o·ry


            the theory that all matter is made up of tiny indivisible particles (atoms). According to the modern version, the atoms of each element are effectively identical, but differ from those of other elements, and unite to form compounds in fixed proportions.
            in any field, a theory that proposes the existence of distinct, separable, independent components.

            The germ theory of disease states that some diseases are caused by microorganisms. These small organisms, too small to see without magnification, invade humans, animals, and other living hosts. Their growth and reproduction within their hosts can cause a disease.

            gravitational theory – (physics) the theory that any two particles of matter attract one another with a force directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. Newton’s theory of gravitation, theory of gravitation, theory of gravity.

            I’m beginning to think Jack that you are a very stupid, willfully ignorant, backwards, brain washed man with absolutely no interest whatsoever in what is real.

          • pud

            Do christians apologize when they are shown to be willful idiots and patently wrong?

            (includes off-site links)


            > The Case Against “Intelligent Design”

            National Academy of Sciences

            Those who oppose the teaching of evolution in public schools sometimes ask that teachers present evidence against evolution. However, there is no debate within the scientific community over whether evolution occurred, and there is no evidence that evolution has not occurred. Some of the details of how evolution occurs are still being investigated. But scientists continue to debate only the particular mechanisms that result in evolution, not the overall accuracy of evolution as the explanation of life’s history.

            American Association of University Professors

            “The theory of evolution is all but universally accepted in the community of scholars and has contributed immeasurably to our understanding of the natural world. […] The American Association of University Professors deplores efforts in local communities and by some state legislators to require teachers in public schools to treat evolution as merely a hypothesis or speculation, untested and unsubstantiated by the methods of science, and to require them to make students aware of an “intelligent-design hypothesis” to account for the origins of life. These initiatives not only violate the academic freedom of public school teachers, but can deny students an understanding of the overwhelming scientific consensus regarding evolution.”

            American Association for the Advancement of Science

            The [intelligent design] movement has failed to offer credible scientific evidence to support their claim that ID undermines the current scientifically accepted theory of evolution… the lack of scientific warrant for so-called intelligent design theory’ makes it improper to include as a part of science education.

            American Anthropological Association

            The Association respects the right of people to hold diverse religious beliefs, including those who reject evolution as matters of theology or faith. Such beliefs should not be presented as science, however.Science describes and explains the natural world: it does not prove or disprove beliefs about the supernatural.

            American Astronomical Society

            Science is not based on faith, nor does it preclude faith. Whatever personal beliefs teachers, students, parents or administrators may hold, the teaching of important scientific concepts, such as the formation and aging of planets, stars, galaxies and the Universe, should not be altered or constrained in response to demands external to the scientific disciplines.

            National Association of Biology Teachers

            Scientists have firmly established evolution as an important natural process. Experimentation, logical analysis, and evidence-based revision are procedures that clearly differentiate and separate science from other ways of knowing. Explanations or ways of knowing that invoke non-naturalistic or supernatural events or beings, whether called creation science,’ scientific creationism,’ intelligent design theory,’ young earth theory,’ or similar designations, are outside the realm of science and not part of a valid science curriculum.

            Geological Society of America

            In recent years, certain individuals motivated by religious views have mounted an attack on evolution. This group favors what it calls creation science,’ which is not really science at all because it invokes supernatural phenomena. Science, in contrast, is based on observations of the natural world. All beliefs that entail supernatural creation, including the idea known as intelligent design, fall within the domain of religion rather than science. For this reason, they must be excluded from science courses in our public schools.

            The American Chemical Society

            Evolution cannot be dismissed or diminished by characterizing it as mere conjecture or speculation.The inclusion of non-scientific explanations in science curricula misrepresents the nature and processes of science and compromises a central purpose of public educationthe preparation of a scientifically literate workforce.

            American Institute of Biological Sciences

            The theory of evolution is the only scientifically defensible explanation for the origin of life and development of species. A theory in science, such as the atomic theory in chemistry and the Newtonian and relativity theories in physics, is not a speculative hypothesis, but a coherent body of explanatory statements supported by evidence. The theory of evolution has this status. Explanations for the origin of life and the development of species that are not supportable on scientific grounds should not be taught as science.

            The Paleontological Society

            Because evolution is fundamental to understanding both living and extinct organisms, it must be taught in public school science classes. In contrast, creationism is religion rather than science, as ruled in recent court cases, because it invokes supernatural explanations that cannot be tested. Consequently, creationism in any form (including scientific creationism, creation science, and intelligent design) must be excluded from public school science classes. Because science involves testing hypotheses, scientific explanations are restricted to natural causes.

            Botanical Society of America

            Science as a way of knowing has been extremely successful, although people may not like all the changes science and its handmaiden, technology, have wrought. But people who oppose evolution, and seek to have creationism or intelligent design included in science curricula, seek to dismiss and change the most successful way of knowing ever discovered. They wish to substitute opinion and belief for evidence and testing. The proponents of creationism/intelligent design promote scientific ignorance in the guise of learning.

            Many other scientific organizations are opposed to teaching intelligent design as a science-based alternative to evolution, including:

            New Orleans Geological Society

            New York Academy of Sciences

            Ohio Academy of Science

            Ohio Math and Science Coalition

            Oklahoma Academy of Sciences

            Sigma Xi, Louisiana State University Chapter, Baton Rouge, Louisiana

            Society for Amateur Scientists

            Society for Integrative and Comparative Biology

            Society for Neuroscience

            Society for Organic Petrology

            Society for the Study of Evolution

            Society of Physics Students

            Society of Systematic Biologists

            Society of Vertebrate Paleontology

            Southern Anthropological Society

            Virginia Academy of Science

            West Virginia Academy of Science

            American Association of Physical Anthropologists

            American Geophysical Union

            American Society of Biological Chemists

            American Psychological Association

            American Physical Society

            American Society of Parasitologists

            Association for Women Geoscientists

            Australian Academy of Science

            California Academy of Sciences

            Ecological Society of America

            Genetics Society of America

            Geological Society of America

            Georgia Academy of Science

            History of Science Society

            Iowa Academy of Science

            Kentucky Paleontological Society

            Louisiana Academy of Sciences

            National Academy of Sciences

            North American Benthological Society

            North Carolina Academy of Science

          • pud

            It is a demonstrable FACT unlike your invisible sky daddy

          • suwannalu

            Lol I don’t know how God got here. And everyone’s intelligence and education is limited by many factors.

          • pud

            PS…reread what I wrote dummy. Is your “god” an object or a concept?

          • pud

            There is no such thing as “free will” I can demonstrate that too

          • suwannalu

            So, everything in your life is predetermined?

          • pud

            Every “choice” you think you make is entirely dependent upon every event that ever transpired in the past. You are who you are at this very instant totally because of the sum of all the experiences that have come before. They determine what you will think and do next which in turn determines what you think and do after that

          • suwannalu

            I agree . If my parents and theirs before them had not been” Christians” then I probably would not be. After careful adult consideration I still believe. I think I can control my own mind enough to look past all the “conditioning” and see that it is the best fit for me. And what’s it hurting if I’m happy in my “delusion”

          • pud

            I prefer reality to “feel good”

            I’m composing my proof to you…stand by

          • suwannalu

            Feel good is the wrong term. I don’t “feel good” in the sense that you mean. Reality is relative maan

          • suwannalu

            Reality, existence, God, feelings etc. All relative .

  • Blank Blank

    In the paragraph under the scripture John 1:12 where you discuss what Jesus told Nicodemus, what was quoted sounds a little confusing; “one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” is what you wrote I feel you should put the whole line so a person understands that you have to be born of water and of the spirt. “Jesus answered, Verily, verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” (John3:5) God bless.