God Spoke To Me To Tell You…

God Spoke To Me To Tell You… March 16, 2018

More times than I can count, people have told me or others, God spoke to me to tell you something, so is this biblical or believable?

A False Prophet

Over two years ago a man came to me from another church and prophesied and said to me, “God told me that you’re not going to be a pastor anymore but a prophet and you’ll be leaving this church to go on a national circuit to prophecy to other churches what God had told them through me.” Two years have passed since. I am still at the church where I’ve been for about a decade, and I never saw the man again. His own personal prophecy failed, and I say his “own personal prophecy” because it was obviously not from God. He had his own ideas but his prophecy was not only wrong; he was not being biblical. I was not interested in anything else he had to say after that because a true prophet of God is not like a baseball player where you’re allowed three strikes before you’re out. Moses wrote, “when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him” (Deut 18:22), therefore, whatever the man prophesied about me is of no concern to me because he spoke “it presumptuously,” and it was not from God but from man.

God Speaks

If I ever see this man again and have a chance to speak to him, I would tell him, “Yes, God speaks to us, but He speaks most clearly in His Word, the Bible. Here….I’ve got a word from God too….and here it is…it’s the Bible.” There is no ambiguity in the Word of God like there is when someone presumes to speak for God. I have heard so many failed prophecies that were spoken by others that their credibility has been totally lost. If I wrote out on a piece of paper one of the many prophecies that others have spoken and hold it in one hand, and then hold the Bible with the other hand, I can know the Bible speaks to me with 100% clarity, but when I look at someone’s personal prophecy, there is no way I can attribute any certainty at all to it…certainly, not 100%. I hold to the Bible because I know it’s true and the prophecies will come to pass (many have already), but I cannot say the same thing about someone who says “God gave me a word and told me to tell you…” Why would God speak to someone else to speak to me when He can speak directly to me in His Word? Does God need their assistance? No! When a person presumes to speak for God, they are playing with fire in my opinion, because in the Old Testament, it was one strike, and you’re out…of life! Moses wrote, “But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die” (Deut 18:20). Today God does not immediately strike the false prophets dead, but they will die in their sins unless they repent of their false prophecies, and they will have to give an account before Christ for what they uttered as “God’s word.” If they presume to speak for God and they’re not doing it, guess where the true source is from? It must either be their own imagination or it must be from Satan, because we know it’s not from God.

Where God Speaks

When people prophecy certain things, I can only hold them up to the Word of God because it’s the gold standard for true prophecy, and the words of the true prophets of God can be found there, but when someone prophecies something and it doesn’t square up with the Word of God, then guess who’s wrong!? Not only must it come to pass, the prophecy must match what biblical doctrine says. God will not contradict his word. Years ago, a man was told by a “prophet” that he was supposed to divorce his wife and go to Columbia to be a missionary, but we know this prophecy is not of God because it’s never God’s will to divorce (save for adultery). God would not speak to us or someone else to tell us to do something that’s contrary to His written Word. God is not like us. We can be wrong or we can make assumptions, but God’s Word is always true. I don’t need someone to tell me what God’s will for my life is when it’s already spelled out in the Bible. Why do I need a human telling me what God wants me to do when God’s Word already does so? Jeremiah’s prophecy in his day is applicable to ours. He wrote, “And the LORD said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds” (Jer 14:14). Apparently, some things never change.

Conclusion

How often have you heard of people “prophesying” something? Maybe you can ask them, “How do you know it’s from God and not from Satan? Are you 100% absolutely certain that this is from God? Don’t you think the Bible is enough? Why do you feel like we need more or newer revelation from God since we already have the Bible? Do you feel like the Bible is not enough revelation for you or for us?” I don’t want to take the best guess or hope he or she is right in their prophecy because I already know what’s right and it’s recorded in the Bible. It is a dangerous place to be to add to or take away from the Word of God. Whoever claims to speak for God had better be right. As for me, I’m putting my trust in God’s Word, not in man. That way I know for sure it’s right, rather than betting the person’s right about 50% of the time. If you want to be allowed three strikes, try baseball.

Article by Jack Wellman

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  • pud

    “How often have you heard of people “prophesying” something? Maybe you can ask them, “How do you know it’s from God and not from Satan? Are you 100% absolutely certain that this is from God? Don’t you think the Bible is enough? Why do you feel like we need more or newer revelation from God since we already have the Bible? Do you feel like the Bible is not enough revelation for you or for us?” I don’t want to take the best guess or hope he or she is right in their prophecy because I already know what’s right and it’s recorded in the Bible. It is a dangerous place to be to add to or take away from the Word of God”

    LOL!

    Nothing more beautifully illustrates how messed up in the head you are. YOU seem to “know” all these mindless, baseless absolutes yet you condemn fellow nut cases for hearing voices in their heads? What are you doing when you “talk” to your invisible undetectable deity except talk in your head and hear voices in reply?

    Demonstrate that ANY “god” past or present ever existed or exists….try!

    Demonstrate the existence of your other invisible being satan…try!

    The buybull is a STORY BOOK!! It was written by stupid know nothing Bronze Age goat herders!

    Any all powerful, omnipotent, omniscient “being” that would write a BOOK so stupid, so completely wrong, so disgusting and so fraudulent as your buybull would himself have to be a psychotic moron!

    You “know” NOTHING! You claim all manner of idiocy but you KNOW nothing! Knowing and “believing” nonsense aren’t the same thing jack!

    Snakes do not talk, donkeys do not talk, burning bushes do not talk, men don’t live in fish, the earth is not flat nor is it covered by a dome, there was no global flood, there is NO evidence for your “god” “jesus” “moses” virgin birth, zombies coming back to life etc etc etc….you KNOW NOTHING…you “believe” the most absurd ridiculous proposals ever put forward save maybe Lord of the Rings! ha! You are willfully delusional and incapable of separating reality from fiction.

    OHHHHHH and the “dangerous” thingy again!! oh no!!! Believe the absurd or else!!

    If your “god” gave a shit and if it was so damn important to him that people “believe” in him on BAD or NONEXISTENT evidence he would show up on CNN tonight and remove all doubt…since he doesn’t, hasn’t and never will he either doesn’t give a shit or doesn’t exist at all.

    You are so stupid and so indoctrinated you can’t even see how you demean this deity you so “believe” in…you make him this petty monster with NOTHING to do in all the universe except watch you, read your daffy mind and eventually judge you for being a stupid human being…all the while remaining completely invisible and undetectable! Only IDIOTS could buy into such nonsense

  • Salvatore Anthony Luiso

    Yes, many Christians speak false prophecies. Some are provably wrong, and some are not impressive, even if they are prophecies, because they merely state the obvious, such as “Many people will be praying for revival this year”, which is already happening, or “There will be natural disasters around the world this year”, which is a prediction of something that happens every year.

    That said: It sounds as if you believe there is no place today for prophecies such as were delivered by Agabus. Two of his prophecies are recorded in the Book of Acts. In Acts 11:27-30, he “stood up and foretold by the Spirit that there would be a great famine over all the world”. Because of this, “the disciples determined, every one according to his ability, to send relief to the brothers living in Judea”. Thank God that He spoke through Agabus, warning the disciples of a famine which they could not have learned of any other way.

    In Acts 21:10-11, Agabus prophesied that the Jews at Jerusalem would bind Paul and deliver him to the Gentiles. Interestingly, Paul already knew about this, as we can see from these earlier verses:

    And now, behold, I [Paul] am going to Jerusalem, constrained by the Spirit, not knowing what will happen to me there,
    except that the Holy Spirit testifies to me in every city that imprisonment and afflictions await me.
    –Acts 20:23 (ESV)

    And having sought out the disciples, we stayed there [Tyre] for seven days. And through the Spirit they were telling Paul not to go on to Jerusalem.
    –Acts 21:4 (ESV)

    As far as we know, Paul did not reply to Agabus “I already know that!” or “Why would God tell me that through you, when He can speak to me directly? After all, He has already spoken to me directly more than once before–and, what is more, I am an apostle, and you are not!”.

    Notice that as with the famine prophesied by Agabus, Paul could not have learned about what would happen to him in Jerusalem from the Scriptures. There are countless numbers of things we cannot learn about our lives and the future from the Scriptures. The facts that we have the Bible and that many people issue false prophecies do not preclude the possibility that God delivers new and true prophecies.

    • pud

      Demonstrate that ANY “god” has ever existed. Then explain why this invisible undetectable entity with all these important messages can only convey them through select individuals and never audibly so that anyone else can hear them

      • ron zaccagnini

        We dont need to prove anything. You are without excuse, because of what you see around you, and inside you. You know God exists- there is not doubt. You are not an atheist. No such thing as an atheist, regardless what you say. No one can claim that. God does not believe in Atheists.

        • pud

          I’ll cut you some slack as you clearly are not very bright. Had you considered that you do not “believe” in 9999 other “gods” that men have invented? That makes you an atheist too…I just go one god further

    • ron zaccagnini

      I dont know whom this is addressed this to. I think i made my position clear, but I did say that I believe 1. That Prophecy, as in the reception and relaying of new information from God, is ceased. It ceased with the completion of the New Testament. 2. You bring up Acts. Acts was written very early in the chronology of the new testament – perhaps 60 years before the completion of the NT Canon. And, Acts is an historical book, which deals with the early church in transition. Some very unique things happened during that period, but we can not take those as normative for the church for all time. We never derive our Eklesiology from an historical book. And, these unique phenomenon happened either to, or in the presence of, Apostles. 60 + years later, the NT Canon was completed, with the writing of Revelation. Nothing more was to be added- it was ‘once for all delivered’ to the church. The last verses in Revelation reinforce this position.
      Having said that, I realize that God is God, and can do whatever He wishes and has decreed. If we wants to speak directly or indirectly, to a person, He will do that. However, His standard is never violated. I am so very skeptical of anyone who declares that “God told me…” The burden of proof is very heavy, and lies in their court. I agree, that if God wanted to speak something to me, I am all ears. Never heard voices. But He does speak through His word, and that is always the final court of appeals for truth.

      • pud

        LOL…you’re skeptical of anyone who declares that “god has told me” yet every word in your stupid book is by someone who claimed that a “god” has told him….bhwa

      • Salvatore Anthony Luiso

        It is quite understandable that you are “very skeptical of anyone who declares that ‘God told me…’.” You should be skeptical.

        I do not know when you think Acts was written, but the Wikipedia article “Acts of the Apostles” says it is “usually dated to around 80–90 AD”. At you know, it ends with Paul in Rome, around the year 60. Are you saying that the NT canon was not completed until around the year 120 at the earliest, and around the year 150 at the latest? I myself think the canon was completed before the year 100.

        I do not know why you say “We never derive our Eklesiology from an historical book”. Many Christians look to Acts 2:46-47 for a model of church practice. Do you consider the four gospels to be historical books, and hence not to be used to derive ecclesiology? Do you believe we can derive ecclesiology from Romans 12, I Corinthians 12 and 14, and Ephesians 4? Notice that from I Corinthians 12 we can see that during Paul’s lifetime Christians spoke prophecy when no apostle was present.

        There is a logical problem with citing Hebrews 1:1-2, Jude 3, and Revelation 22:18 in support of the notion of the cessation of prophecy because only one of these books can be the last one written. If one considers Hebrews to have been written before Revelation, then should one conclude that Revelation is not truly prophetic? If Jude was written before Revelation, then should one conclude that “the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints” does not include Revelation? If Revelation was written before Hebrews and Jude, should one reject those two epistles because of what its author says in 22:18?

        Besides: Is it right to consider prophecies such as those which are recorded in Acts to be additions to the faith? Prophecies about a great famine and of the “imprisonment and afflictions” of an individual?

        • ron zaccagnini

          Hey Salvatore. Hope you are having a good day.
          Acts? Well, the date of authorship has been discussed for generations, as you probably are aware. I think it’s early because there is no reference to events which happened from AD 70 on. And no reference to Paul’s death, etc. But that is one person’s opinion, and it’s worth what you paid for it.
          IN any case, the prophecies were given before the close of the canon. And we know (or are fairly certain) that Revelation was the last book written. Neither Jude nor Hebrews preclude that, but refer to the entire NT Canon.
          Anyway, the fact that the NT Canon is closed is accepted by the church, except for some Charismatic circles. That was my point. As i said earlier, God can do anything He decrees, as long as it does not contradict His nature. I believe that He still works in our lives daily. But I would never claim to have ‘prophecy’ or ‘revelation’, and generally dismiss any claims that begin with ‘God told me…’. It can happen, but the burden of proof is heavy.
          God bless.

          • Graeme Cooksley

            Most Charismatic circles accept the canon, but that does not stop the recognition of God speaking to us, as per the gifts of the Holy Spirit, not only prophecy but word of knowledge, wisdom etc.

      • Graeme Cooksley

        Yes, some Christians think point 1. is valid. However, there is nothing in the Scripture that indicates that. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are still for today. Some would indicate that they don’t need them, that is getting close to arrogance. The NT makes it clear what the purpose is of prophecy. There is a danger of throwing the good out with the bad. (Yes, i have experienced bad/false prophecy).

        Point 2., Acts is certainly descriptive, but it also paints a picture of early Church life.The question is why can we not take what happened there as indicative of ecclesiology? (Bearing in mind context). Ecclesiology development is not excluded from descriptive material. There is nothing to indicate exclusiveness of “phenomenon” to the presence of the Apostles. Revelation as the last book in the canon, but the canonical books (27) were finally recognised in the 4th century. The last verses in Revelation are recognised as a typically standard “warning”, that applies to that book alone.

        The first 4 sentences are true, Jesus has promised that “My sheep will hear My voice”, that is for all. Scripture points to God speaking to individuals that appears as audible sound, it is not unknown today. I suspect ignorance or unbelief stops people hearing God’s voice. Yes, prophecy should line up doctrinally or in accordance with the NT guidelines for prophecy.

        • ron zaccagnini

          Howdy Greame. what nationality is that name? Interesting…
          You said that there is nothing in the scriptures that says that new revelation from God has ceased, and the Canon is complete? Have you read Jude? Verse 3… And the last two verses in Revelation, and Hebrews 1:1-2? The verses in Revelation refer to the the book, and the entire New Testament. Who recognizes that it applies to that book alone? It’s the last book!
          And the canonical books were not just recognized but officially it was declared what the church had actually believed, previously. Either way, the canon was recognized as complete- that sealed it.
          God speaks to His people through His word. There is no other way to test any ‘spirits’, or teachings, is there?

          If we open up the possibility of God continuing to give His Word to us, we have no way of determining truth from error. Cults all share that in one thing in common: It’s the bible PLUS additional, modern day, revelation.

          • Graeme Cooksley

            Hi Ron,
            Graeme is a Scottish spelling, Cooksley i believe has Germanic roots, some say its original meaning is ‘cook on the hill’, but I can’t verify that. my stock has its roots in UK, out to NZ.

            With Heb 1.1-2, the context is about the revelation of God’s purposes in relationship with Him. It is the good compared to the superlative in Christ, as the next few verses try to show. It cannot be used as proof text that prophecy has finished. If that was so, and Jesus was the final expression of God’s revelation, then we are would have to reject the NT beyond narratives, and wrestle with the fact that prophecy occurred post Christ.

            To use Jude 1.3 to say there is no new revelation by prophecy is to do violence to the context. It is dealing with licentiousness and perversion which needs to be contended. It has nothing to do with the gifts of the Spirit given to the church, that have never ceased down through the millenia.

            1. Now, to deal with Revelation, please bear with me, as I enlarge on my previous original comment above, as to the meaning of the Revelation quote, 22.18-19.

            I am quoting extracts from 3 different sources that form the basis of my belief.

            Although the warning in Revelation 22:18-19 is specific to the Book of Revelation, the principle applies to anyone who seeks to intentionally distort God’s Word. Moses gave a similar warning in Deuteronomy 4:1-2, where he cautioned the Israelites that they must listen to and obey the commandments of the Lord, neither adding to nor taking away from His revealed Word. Proverbs 30:5-6 contains a similar admonition to anyone who would add to God’s words: he will be rebuked and proven to be a liar. Although the warning in Revelation 22:18-19 applies specifically to the Book of Revelation, its principle must be applied to the entire revealed Word of God. We must be careful to handle the Bible with care and reverence so as to not distort its message.
            http://www.gotquestions.org/Revelation-22-18-19.html

            2. In addition, when the Book of Revelation was written, there were still questions as to which books would constitute Holy Scripture. This issue had not been settled yet. There may have been New Testament books written after the Book of Revelation. For example, it has been argued that the Gospel of John was written after John wrote Revelation.
            http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1229.cfm

            3. There are certain things to note about this solemn warning.
            It is not to be interpreted with absolute literalness. It does not refer to every individual word of the Revelation. It so happens that the text is, in fact, in bad condition and we do not know for certain what the actual wording is. What it does warn against is distorting the teaching which the book contains. It is very much what Paul meant, when he said: “If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8-9). It is the truth, and not the wording of the truth, which must not be changed.
            This is far from being an unique ending to an ancient book. It is, in fact, the kind of ending that ancient writers commonly added to their books. We find similar warnings in the Bible in other places. “You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it; that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you” (Deuteronomy 4:2). “Every word of God proves true…. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you, and you be found a liar” (Proverbs 30:5-6). In the Book of Enoch the writer demands that no one should “change or minish ought of my words” (Enoch 104:10).
            In the ancient days, since all books were hand-copied by scribes and everyone knew how easy it was for a scribe to make mistakes in the copying, it was a regular custom to insert at the end of a book a solemn warning against change.
            Barclay’s Commentary on Revelation

            The context of the “warning” determines to what it applies, and that points to it applying to that book. Our canonical Bible actually consists of 66 books. The meaning of the warning is, as barclay puts it so well, is about changing the truth, not the actual words. if this was not so, we would not be able to translate from Greek, and all of us would be having to learn Greek to comply.

            Moving on to your last paragraph, we do in fact have a means of determining truth from error, and that is the Scripture. Prophecy mto be true must line up with Scripture. The tests for true or false prophecy are clear. If false prophecy is possible then where is the true prophecy.? Cults can be called out on many grounds, and each claim needs to be examined.

            Thanks for the discussion.

  • ron zaccagnini

    I believe that the scriptures tell us that Prophecy, with a capital P, is finished. God has spoken His word, and it is complete. ‘Prophet’ simply means mouthpiece. So, to speak for another, is to prophesy. as did Aaron for Moses. So, when we speak the Word of God, we are being His mouthpiece. For example, I can tell Salvatore Luiso that God’s love is extended to him, and unless he repents and trusts in the finished work of Christ, all that awaits him is hell. I am simply conveying God’s word to him. However, to give new information directly from God- to Prophesy in that sense, is a function which has ceased. Jude 4 and Hebrews 1:1-2, etc., all declare that the office of Prophet is closed with the New Testament Canon. If we have people running around telling us they heard a voice from God, and giving us new information, I agree that we should hold them to the biblical standard. Kill him. That would end most of this nonsense. OF course, I would not actually advocate that, but the point is, God takes this very seriously, and to mislead His children, it would be better to tie a millstone around the neck and be cast into the deep. And, the biblical standard is 100% accuracy for prophecy. Anything less, to the tiniest detail, is deception and certainly not from God. Let us get back to the biblical standard and get the beam out of our eye.

    • pud

      There are NO prophesies and everything except some names and places are 100% false in your story book. Try doing some actual honest research

      • ron zaccagnini

        You must be reading the Korhan. The bible is full of Prophecy. When asked how Jesus would demonstrate that what He proclaimed was truth, He told about His resurrection- a prophecy which came true to the finest detail. There are over 300 prophecies about the coming Messiah- all fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth. The statistical probability that just 8 prophesies would be fulfilled in any one person are staggering! 10 to the 28th power. We can not conceive of that number, nor the implications of such improbability. Perhaps you, pud, need to do some research. Would you like a list of just a few? I challenge you to disprove me.

        • pud

          LOL~~~~!!!!

          It’s a MADE UP AFTER THE FACT STORY you boob!

          You people are truly INSANE

          https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_prophecies

          • ron zaccagnini

            Cant be made up after the fact…people have quoted the scriptures hundreds of years before He was born. The Jews had been transcribing, discussing and teaching the scriptures for hundreds of years before Christ. Where do you get these stories?

          • pud

            You really are dimwitted….When you write a STORY based on another STORY it’s pretty easy to make it fit the narrative isn’t it?

          • ron zaccagnini

            OH, you might look at your calendar….they do not change the dating system for the world, based upon a myth or a fairy tale.

          • pud

            LOL…Saturday is named after the “god” Saturn so there must have really been a god Saturn huh?

          • ron zaccagnini

            you can get back with me after you have looked at several of the references I have given you. I will not lower myself to respond to your childish remarks. More important things to do…. Like go castrate a calf.

          • pud

            Make sure you offer it up to the lord…bhwaa

          • ron zaccagnini

            No way. I have them for dinner!

          • pud

            Yeah, you seem like a testicle eating kind of guy

          • ron zaccagnini

            Raw or cooked. Does not make any difference.

          • pud
          • ron zaccagnini

            Scholars who actually know something about which they speak, both Jewish scholars and New Testament Scholars as well as Near East Historians all consider the historicity of Jesus a certainty. They might not agree on his person, who He claimed to be, or upon His teachings, but none doubt the reality of His life. Only half-informed and uneducated persons doubt his life and death.
            Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD, includes two references to the biblical Jesus in Books 18 and 20. Check ou the Testimonium Flavianum and Antiquities 20,9,1. You do know who Josephus was, right?
            How about Tacitus? Read his Annals (written ca. AD 115), book 15, chapter 44.
            Look up The Mishanh,(c. 200) refers to Jesus and reflect the early Jewish traditions of portraying Jesus as a sorcerer or magician. Other references to Jesus and his execution exist in the Talmud, even though they discredit his actions, they never deny his existence. And if any people had reason to cast doubt upon His existence, certainly they did.
            There is also a host of apocryphal writings and gospels you could look at.
            In fact, nearly all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted. There is no evidence today that the existence of Jesus was ever denied in antiquity by those who opposed Christianity. Only uneducated skeptics fill those ranks. Is that what you claim to be??

          • pud

            I couldn’t care less what any lunatic theist says or thinks….show me any historical evidence for the mere existence of any deluded rabbi name of “jesus” Waiting….

          • ron zaccagnini

            Tacitus, for one, was not a Theist. But the truth is no matter how many references I give you, you will not consider it. You join the ranks of those who know nothing about that which they speak. Why discount anyone who is a Theist? That is the only way you can sidestep the truth, and avoid having to deal with it. I once again challenge you to check it out. Dont allow your self to be sucked into the ranks of fools and idiots who really know nothing about which they speak. You have enough places to start. Your real problem is that you reject any authority to which you will be accountable. Some day you will regret such blindness.

          • pud

            A historian not an eye witness to anything.

            You like to throw that word “truth” around a lot….demonstrate how you arrive at “truth”

            Oh no! The celestial threats again! Believe absurdities or else!!!

          • ron zaccagnini

            Thanks for the exchange. I hope you have the guts to follow it up.

        • pud

          Show me the evidence for any “jesus” and failing that which you will demonstrate that anyone has ever come back from the dead….and you can skip the “finest details” hahahahhaa!

    • Jack Wellman

      Very well said my friend. If I had a choice to make and listen to someone who said God spoke to them or read the Word of God where God already speaks to us, it’s a no-brainer. The Word is 100% correct….the person who claims to be speaking for God, about zero %.

  • Bezukhov

    Wow. He listens to the voices in his head.

    • pud

      They echo in that big empty cavernous space

    • ron zaccagnini

      And right now they are telling me to load my guns!

      • Kera Lynn

        Lol Wowwww.

    • Jack Wellman

      No, I listen to what God says in His Word, and not voices in my head. You’re way off base.

  • pud

    “I hold to the Bible because I know it’s true and the prophecies will come to pass (many have already), but I cannot say the same thing about someone who says “God gave me a word and told me to tell you…” Why would God speak to someone else to speak to me when He can speak directly to me in His Word? Does God need their assistance? No!”

    Proof of your insanity….

    1. You do NOT “know” the buybull is true…you blindly and mindlessly “believe” that it is

    2. The buybull IS NOT true and we can DEMONSTRATE that it isn’t in hundreds of ways from the 100s of contradictions to the impossible claims we can and have proven to be false!

    3. Every word in your stupid book was supposedly given to the authors by your deity! “Why would god speak to someone else to speak to me”? LOL EXACTLY!! Make up your ridiculous mind jack!! Reading your book IS reading what your invisible undetectable deity supposedly said to someone else not you directly dummy!!

    4. If your “god” doesn’t need assistance why didn’t he author the “book” directly? Huh? Why did “he” wrestle with people, appear to people, talk to people, interact with people in ancient times (per your storybook) but has never once done so since then? Hmmmmm…things that make rational people go hmmmmmm

    5. There are NO prophesies that have come to pass…NONE. Vague claims and a “new” testament written with knowledge of the “old” testament is and are just one story book compiled on top of another! duh!

    But of course none of this matters to you because your living depends on masses of credulous bumpkins filling the donation boxes..to hell with the ACTUAL truth about anything!

  • Kera Lynn

    Hmm. This is something to think about. I’ve been told more false prophesies than I’d like to recall, so I tend to be skeptical when it comes to other people telling me things like that.

    • pud

      Is that so? Tell us all how you know a false prophet from a real one….lol

      • Kera Lynn

        Pud, did you read the article?

        • pud

          Of course…same mindless gibberish repackaged in ever creative delusional ways

          • Kera Lynn

            You’re welcome to that opinion. Thank you for replying.
            I wish that you wouldn’t be so annoying all the time. I actually think you can be a very friendly person when you want to be, and I don’t mind being *friends* with someone who I disagree with. But you make it very hard.

          • pud

            LOL I’m not in the market for friends right now. Read me, reply to me….I don’t care either way

          • Kera Lynn

            That’s what I thought. Sad. But I really just meant *friendly,* like, nicer than you usually are…But whatever. It’s a free country.

          • pud

            I am no friend to any theist. You are enemies of reason. You wish to drive humanity back into the Dark Ages….you are my enemies. I can either demonstrate your folly and compel you to change your ways and join the rational world or seek to drive you into the dust bin of history where all the other dead gods reside…it’s either or. You can never be my friends until you disavow yourself from your sick death cult

          • Kera Lynn

            Yeah, the Bible said that y’all would cast your names out as evil and separate us from your company. But still, I’m sorry you feel this way, especially since our biggest agenda is to love our enemies and be kind to those who persecute us. How can you hate us so when the only thing you have to hold against us is that? I feel your attitude is backwards. Whether or not our God exists does not dictate whether we are good people or not, just as being an atheist should not either.

          • pud

            It’s not hate…it’s contempt. You lie to children, you seek to drive humanity backwards, you can’t keep your delusional cult to yourselves and insist on imposing it on everyone else.

          • Kera Lynn

            First, I have never been forced to participate in the Christianity thing. I made my own secluded choice.
            Second, when are we ever forcing it on anyone? We have our own Christian blogs, like this one, we have Bible studies and church and activities that non-Christians are invited to, but no one is ever forced to come. Where do you get these ideas, girl?

          • pud

            You indoctrinate children, you conduct missions to corrupt the ignorant, you slaughtered all the native people wherever you went. You can only sustain yourself by deluding the credulous and ignorant

          • Kera Lynn

            We do good, we help the helpless, give hope to the hopeless, we do work for abused children everywhere, we put together places like Teen Challenge and Care Net, where broken people can get the kind of help they need. I don’t think you know Christians as well as you think…unfortunately.

          • pud

            Lots of people help the helpless you don’t do anything special. You give FALSE hope to the hopeless. You lie to them. You tell them fairy tales instead of being honest. You lie to children and terrorize them with visions of eternal damnation. You destroy human dignity as your cult is built upon guilt and shame…everyone is a filthy rag deserving of death. You do not help people you delude people….You convince them that they are sick and ordered to be well by some invisible undetectable invisible agent. You tell children that they are born sick and that only your cult is the cure. You are liars by nature and willfully delusional. You do nothing for goodness sake but to please your invisible entity and gain favor in some make believe afterlife. You are the embodiment of superstitious nonsense, false claims, false hope and backwards infantile thinking.

            Fixed it for you

          • Kera Lynn

            Hahahaha wow, I feel like your reply was sooo like, contradicting. Let me show you how, sweetheart.
            Here I am. I’ve known you for a while now and have had multiple conversations with you. For the most part I’ve tried to be nice and show Christ’s love.
            Here you are. Most of the time when I talk to you, you spew insults and “infantile” repeated words. Very seldom are you kind. You make all atheists look bad by your meaningless comments.
            Now, who’s deluding the people? It ain’t me.

          • pud

            You CANNOT demonstrate ANY actual historical evidence that ANY “christ” existed whatsoever. It is an imaginary character contrived in some ancient writings and perpetuated by your ridiculous cults through the ages.

            My manner has nothing to do with the FACTS I convey. Why don’t you address the points I made rather than create a strawman?

            Your character “jesus” supported human slavery….some love eh?

          • Kera Lynn

            I don’t want to go here with you AGAIN. We’ve already done this. It’s pointless for both of us.

          • pud

            It’s only pointless to you because you have no argument

          • Kera Lynn

            It’s pointless because no matter what argument I offer you will ignore it.

          • pud

            I don’t ignore any argument…I destroy them all.

            There is no argument you ever put forward or has ever been put forward on this cult website that has been rational, reasonable or believable by any critical thinking person

          • Kera Lynn

            Mhmmm.

          • pud

            Now address the points I just made or begone

          • Kera Lynn

            Read my latest reply and answer my question.

          • Graeme Cooksley

            Pud, reluctantly I must comment:

            Where is your evidence for no God?
            When will you actually engage in a discussion with logical arguments

            Infantile ad hominem and demeaning attacks on people don’t actually count in rational discussion. That may be news to you. 🙂

          • pud

            Where do you stupid people come from?

            Where is your evidence for no Zeus, Apollo and Thor? Where is your evidence for no universe creating pixies?

            Does that now mean that they must exist too?

            It is impossible to engage you in rational logical argument or discussion because YOU ARE NOT LOGICAL OR RATIONAL! hello?

          • pud

            Address the points!

            Lots of people help the helpless you don’t do anything special. You give FALSE hope to the hopeless. You lie to them. You tell them fairy tales instead of being honest. You lie to children and terrorize them with visions of eternal damnation. You destroy human dignity as your cult is built upon guilt and shame…everyone is a filthy rag deserving of death. You do not help people you delude people….You convince them that they are sick and ordered to be well by some invisible undetectable invisible agent. You tell children that they are born sick and that only your cult is the cure. You are liars by nature and willfully delusional. You do nothing for goodness sake but to please your invisible entity and gain favor in some make believe afterlife. You are the embodiment of superstitious nonsense, false claims, false hope and backwards infantile thinking.

          • Kera Lynn

            What do you want me to say, Pud? You want me to prove you wrong? I can’t. I know lot’s other people, probably including you, help the helpless, and I am grateful that they do.
            Maybe you’ll answer this question for me, since it seems I am always the one who it “required” to….How can you prove that we give false hope? How do you actually know? I don’t believe that you can answer that.

          • pud

            You tell people that there is a magical disney land in the sky that they will go to if they obey the celestial dictator…..You have NO evidence whatsoever for this claim….Therefore you are spreading false hope. You are spreading an image that you categorically do not and cannot KNOW to be true. A lie

          • Kera Lynn

            Just as I suspected. You say we have no evidence and that it is a lie, and yet you cannot provide evidence against it. You simply think and hope that it does not exist because if it does then, well, bye-bye Pud.
            Give me some real evidence against it and I will consider it.

          • pud

            Show your evidence that there is any kind of afterlife, heaven, hell, etc….waiting

            Do you understand the “burden of proof”? I guess not.

            It is you who is making the “positive claim” It is you who is claiming that such things exist. It is incumbent upon YOU to provide proof of your claim

            Can you provide evidence that pink unicorns AREN’T dancing on Neptune? Does your inability to prove a negative mean that there ARE pink unicorns dancing on Neptune? See how flawed your reasoning is?

          • Kera Lynn

            We’ve been thru this.
            See? You make silly, irrelevant comments and avoid the problem with you own argument! How can you not see that you sound just as ridiculous as you say I do? You have no evidence against me, yet you call me a liar!

          • pud

            Obviously you still don’t get it. There is NO problem with my argument….try pointing it out instead of making more unsubstantiated claims! Show exactly how anything I have said is wrong. Waiting…

          • Kera Lynn

            What’s wrong with your arguments? Well, first, you choose to ignore the evidence lying around of Jesus’ existence. You say we are brainwashed lunatics…how is it that we are and you aren’t? YOU are the one ignoring facts!
            Maybe You’ll answer my question concerning evolution: if everything was created from a tiny molecule *exploding* so to speak, where did the first molecule come from? Was it just there? It must have come from somewhere.

          • pud

            What evidence? Still waiting for you to provide ANY.

            Oh and now you go changing the subject! lol

            Your profound ignorance is on display for all to see! EVOLUTION has NOTHING to do with the origin of the universe. IT IS ONLY concerned with the change in allele frequency in a population over time…PERIOD! It has NOTHING to do with origins.

            NO ONE claims that a “molecule exploded”…more profound ignorance.

            The only lunatics who CLAIM that something came from nothing are YOU THEISTS who claim a magical gene uttered an incantation and created a universe from nothing! It is you who is off your rocker not us

            Explain the physics to everyone here as to how an invisible undetectable anthropromorphic immortal spoke matter into existence from nothing….waiting

          • pud

            Still waiting for your actual historical evidence for any claim you’ve ever made….

            Are you honorable enough to admit that you have no clue what evolution is and that the babble you just spewed was out of complete and utter ignorance?

          • Kera Lynn

            Lol well I know a bit and you are the strangest evolutionist I have ever come in counter with. All of the ones I’ve ever talked to have said that everything came into existence by a single molecule. Granted, maybe they didn’t know as much as they claimed to. Oh well.

          • pud

            LOL…see how gullible you are?

            There is NO such thing as an “evolutionist”….”evolution” is a science not an ideology. It is a BIOLOGIC science not physics or cosmology. It is the study of how life changes over time and has NOTHING to do with the universe or origins of life. It is NOT a “belief” or “belief system”…it says NOTHING about morality, ethics, origins, the stars, the universe or anything else other than how life changes over time via natural processes

            You should try in the future to not speak of things that you have no knowledge of or half assed conjecture from another uninformed know nothing

          • Kera Lynn

            There is such a thing as “evolutionist,” numbskull lol. That’s what they call themselves, just like there is a such thing as a “creationist” although that in itself isn’t necessarily a religion.
            Apparently you are only interested in insulting people (why am I surprised?) and not in showing truth. How sad for you.

          • pud

            You are an imbecile!

            If one studies the change in species over time he studies evolution…there is NO category that includes “evolutionIST” Go find a single scientist that calls themselves an evolutionIST…I dare you.

            Creationists are just stupid morons swinging wildly in the dark babbling absurd nonsense that is disproven as fast as they can make some new shit up

          • Kera Lynn

            Okay, I think I’m done now. The only thing I’m getting out of this conversation is a couple of laughs (thanks for being a blessing ;D) so I think I probably have better things to do.
            Have an fantasmagorical day!
            @trulyfree
            Kera

          • pud

            evolutionist
            One who argues that evolution is the correct theory of origins for life on earth (instead of creationism or Intelligent Design). The word was coined by creationists as a way to mischaracterize scientists that denounce creationism. “Evolutionist” implies that evolution is merely an unsupported belief ultimately interchangeable with creationism. In fact, most scientists “believe” in evolution because the of the great amount of research and empirical evidence that supports it. The word evolutionist is a mildly offensive term to most scientists.

            Yes, you are an imbecile

          • Kera Lynn

            Thank you, Pud. Good jobcopy-and-pasting, you’re a real pro now -_-
            Praying for you.

          • pud

            Thought you didn’t like wasting your time! LOL pray your brains out…nothing’s going to happen ever. Proof of your insanity as well as your ignorance

          • Kera Lynn

            Yeahhh, sure. I will, thanks for the permission.

          • Timothy

            Why won’t you use your real name Pud? you are a coward. Better atheists than you have the decency to put some skin in the game, be out and proud about your beliefs dude. If you really believe what you’re saying, meet us in debate, stop hiding on the internet. Man angsty atheist twelvies are the worst ..

          • pud

            1. LOL

            2. Nope

            3. Don’t care

            4. I don’t “believe” anything

            5. Just told you that I don’t “believe” anything…only fools “believe”

            6. You look creepy…no interest in meeting you

            7. There is no debate..you have nothing intelligent to say

            8. Who’s “us”..you mean there’s more creepy “dudes” like you? eeee

          • Timothy

            you sound cut dude, it’s just the internet don’t take it so personally coward, lel

          • pud

            I think you have a bird and some month old pizza living in your hipster face shag.

          • Kera Lynn

            Lol you speak truth, sir. 🙂

          • pud

            I PROVE you wrong on everything….run away! LOL I demonstrate that you are a willful idiot…run away!

            Evolutionism
            From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
            Evolutionism was a common 19th-century belief that organisms inherently improve themselves through progressive inherited change over time (orthogenesis), and increase in complexity through evolution.[1][2] The belief went on to include cultural evolution and social evolution.[1] In the 1970s the term Neo-Evolutionism was used to describe the idea “that human beings sought to preserve a familiar style of life unless change was forced on them by factors that were beyond their control”.[3]

            The term is sometimes also colloquially used to refer to the modern synthesis, a scientific theory that describes how biological evolution occurs through natural selection and Mendelian genetics. In addition, the term is used in a broader sense to cover a world-view on a wide variety of topics, including chemical evolution as an alternative term for abiogenesis or for nucleosynthesis of chemical elements, galaxy formation and evolution, stellar evolution, spiritual evolution, technological evolution and universal evolution, which seeks to explain every aspect of the world in which we live.[4][5]

            Since the overwhelming majority of scientists accept evolution as the best explanation of current data,[6] the term is seldom used in the scientific community; to say someone is a biologist implies acceptance of evolutionary views,[7] unless specifically noted otherwise. In the creation–evolution controversy, creationists often call those who accept the validity of the modern evolutionary synthesis “evolutionists” and the theory itself “evolutionism.” Some creationists and creationist organizations, such as the Institute of Creation Research, use these terms in an effort to make it appear that evolutionary biology is a form of secular religion.[8][9]

          • Kera Lynn

            Ohhh yayyyy, MORE copy-and-pasting! I’m so proud of you.
            I’m not really interested in debating the meaning of the word “evolutionist.” Mostly because I don’t know what the point is…

          • pud

            No, mostly because you haven’t a clue about that which you so confidently babble…that’s the point!

            You babble on about things which you do not even have the foggiest notion of, are completely wrong about and despite being shown how wrong you are you either change the subject, run away or babble more nonsense on top of previous nonsense!

            You don’t even have the honor to admit when you’re wrong…that’s the point

          • Kera Lynn

            Lol I have admitted to be wrong, THAT’S the point!

          • pud

            Run along now….the invisible undetectable celestial insecure dictator needs your praise!

          • Kera Lynn

            Lol nice talking to you.

          • Graeme Cooksley

            Hi Kera,
            It isn’t worth the time trying to reason with Pud, who seems to exhibit a troll mentality, with no intent (sadly), to engage in a meaningful way..

            The moment abuse, name calling, patronisation, or ad hominem attacks start, (all of which Pud sinks to), it is better to recognise they have no valid debating/dialoguing skills, and as a wise man said, don’t waste time on a scoffer.

            Pud’s philosophical belief that there is no God is ok, many hold that philosophy.

            Interestingly, Pud berates for using the term “evolutionist”, be assured it is a valid term: noun 1. a person who believes in the theories of evolution and natural selection. (Any dictionary will define it.)

            Interestingly, re. evolution, in one of Pud’s posts this is said ” has NOTHING to do with the universe or origins of life”, and shortly after in another post says this ” In addition, the term is used in a broader sense to cover a world-view on a wide variety of topics, including chemical evolution as an alternative term for abiogenesis”.

            When one talks of evolution one needs to define what is being thought of, (of its many meanings), e.g. as common descent (strong evidence for that), or something like the inanimate becoming animate.

            Then, looking at Pud’s many posts of 4 days ago, it is interesting to see the straw men being set up, and the (logical fallacies) of hasty generalisations.

          • Kera Lynn

            Hey Graeme, thank you for your reply. I know it’s no use to engage her, although sometimes I can’t help it, she is so arrogant and rude. But I know it is only fueling the fire of anger and spite.
            Thanks also for your definitions and thoughts. You make much more sense than she did.
            Anyway, God bless! 🙂
            Kera Lynn

          • Graeme Cooksley

            Hi Kera, I’m not sure if “Pud” is a female, doesn’t matter anyway, but I will use female pronouns in referring to Pud.
            As can be seen she doesn’t appear to have the wit or smarts to use proper debating/dialogue speech. Her ad hominem in her last sentence below shows that, a bit like people who continually swear, it shows a very little vocabulary of their mother tongue.

            Pud misses the irony of her statement below, where she uses “creationist” while objecting to ‘evolutionist”. Just for your benefit here is a quick dictionary definition using it as a noun or adjective:
            noun 1. a person who believes in the theories of evolution and natural selection.;
            adjective 1. relating to the theories of evolution and natural selection. “an evolutionist model”

            Actually, there is good empirical evidence to support the idea of evolutionary descent, but that is an another story.

            Pud is obviously not a free thinker, rather a rote quoter, it often goes with simplistic thinking and immature outlook, which is where i think Pud is at. Interestingly, former atheist Antony Flew was a true free thinker, followed the truth where ever it led, realised his atheist philosophy didn’t hold up, and accepted a change to theist. His book on his philosophical processing is worth the read.

          • Kera Lynn

            From many recent conversations with Pud, I have determined that Pud is female. But, yeah, it doesn’t really matter.
            Yes, I agree. She doesn’t care for facts only for argument and ridicule. She is a trying aspect to this site.
            But we should all agree to pray for her (assuming you are a Christian). That’s what I’ve been doing.
            Nice talking to you!

          • Graeme Cooksley

            Frankly it is not worthwhile engaging with people like Pud. They have troll mentality, and are not really free thinkers t all.

            I have seen her in action on other blogs, sad really.

            Yes i am a Christian. 🙂

          • Kera Lynn

            Yeah, she seems to crash anything that she disagrees with. Pathetic. I mean, do we go crashing all the atheist’s sites? Well, we shouldn’t. It’s whatever. Most of us just ignore her now -_- Until it gets out of hand and someone says something.

          • pud

            Undetectable is the exact same as non existent. Can we measure, detect, quantify any single one of your religious claims? NO…you cannot therefore you are full of it, delusional, wrong, misguided and irrational for “believing” anything for which you can provide NO evidence for.

          • pud

            Every cult claims that the world will reject them…you’re not anything special…that’s how cults sustain themselves

          • Kera Lynn

            Lol Yeah, but no religion is more despised than Christianity. Even you focus mostly on us.

          • pud

            No one despises you..except maybe the muslims but they hate everyone….you’re paranoid.

          • Kera Lynn

            No one despises us? lol What are you doing? I know you most likely will call it something else….

          • pud

            I have contempt for your wicked, delusional, irrational ideology…it’s not personal.

          • Kera Lynn

            It may not be personal to begin with, but you make it so. I have nothing against you, yet you ridicule me! Contradictions and more contradictions.

          • pud

            I ridicule your ridiculous notions. Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule. If you sat down with an employer while looking for a job and started babbling about how Elvis was still alive I assure you that you would be met with laughter and ridicule…and you wouldn’t get the job.

          • Kera Lynn

            Yes, but you also ridicule me for my personal convictions and passions. When I’ve mentioned anything, even in a casual manner, you have always met it with *laughter*. Deep down, you know you don’t hate us because of our “imaginary” God. You hate us because you are angry and need/want to blame someone, and also because we have something that you don’t. That’s sad and I’m sorry for you.

    • Jack Wellman

      I too am skeptical Kera. Thank you.

      • Kera Lynn

        Yeah, these days it’s hard not to be.

  • Myles

    Sheer foolishness. Have you even read your bible?

    • Kera Lynn

      Why is it foolishness, sir?

      • Myles

        How do you decide if a “prophet” is real? Does the little voice in your head give you hints or maybe you get visions or talk in strange “tongues”?

        • Kera Lynn

          Oh joy another “Pud.” I thought maybe I was going to have a decent conversation.
          We know what a false prophet is by what the Bible tells us.

          • Myles

            Does your little book of fairy tales tell you what makes a “prophet” real?
            What is “Pud”? Oh,wow, you have your own atheist.
            I, however am an anti-theist, not an atheist.
            If your god wants me to change my mind, an appearance;grovelling to excuse itself for its atrocities, would be required.

          • Kera Lynn

            Did you read the article?
            “Pud” is an annoying troll that invades this site, spreading hate and ridicule.
            So, what exactly is an anti-theist?

          • Myles

            Of all the millions of gods man has created surely one must have some spark of life. Still nothing has ever been more damaging and harmful to humanity than religion. Thus, I have an open mind. Still, what I see indicates only hypocrisy and greed. Is there another side to any religion?
            From what I have read, “Pud” seems only to be pointing out inconsistencies is the arguments of others on the site.

          • Kera Lynn

            Hmm, well I like to talk to an open-minded person. How do you say that religion is only hypocrisy and greed?

            Now, I should explain something to you: I am not religious. I just simply am not. I consider religion dried up and counted as nothing. But. What I AM is a friend of God (Jesus Christ) Who gave His life that I may live. You ask if there is another aspect of “religion” besides greed and hypocrisy? I think there is. People like me are often called religious, basically because the other person doesn’t know what they’re talking about (no offence whatsoever to you). I believe that true Christians should seek to show love and compassion to everyone. My agenda is not to accuse, judge, or manipulate, but rather to show hope, spread peace, and give truth. That’s where people seem to get confused about Christians.

            As for Pud, she may think she is pointing out inconsistencies, but her real agenda is to simply start arguments and stir up anger. Not someone who should even be here. But it’s whatever. -_-

          • Myles

            You do realize just how foolish your answer is? Some nutcase rapes his mother to become his father and then murder his scion to permit his creations to escape the punishments it already laid out for it. Sense is always unimportant.
            Your question assumes that someone or something has benefited in some way from religion. Leeches get rich (700 Billion dollars in assets) up to date 2017 C.E. Still on worship days, the need for more money is stressed.
            If Religious people forget the damage and harm they are doing, I am sure “Pud” will point it out. “Echo-chambers” help nobody.
            I would still like to know what makes a “prophet” real.

          • Jean Camille

            You are in luck. On Google, your question raises 6.69 million answers in less than half a second.

            I look forward to seeing your summary of some of the better ones.

          • Kera Lynn

            Alright, well apparently you weren’t telling the truth when you claimed to be open minded.
            Unless you want to pose a legit question or have a decent conversation, I’m going to say goodbye now. I’m not interested in listening to pointless drivel.
            Goodbye until you have something real to say.

          • Jean Camille

            ;’)

          • Kera Lynn

            Haha thanks, Jean 🙂
            Is the spam bot still after you?

    • Jack Wellman

      Yes, I have read it. It never states that God will send someone to speak for HIm about what God’s will is for their life.

      • Myles

        Which did you enjoy more, the talking snakes, the zombie walking on water or the psychopath going door-to- door murdering every first-born, animal, pet or human?

    • Jack Wellman

      Yes. Have you?

  • Jean Camille

    For me, a key passage here is Ephesians 4:1-15.

    We are nowhere near the perfect man of Eph. 4:13. That tells me we still need, in some meaning of the words, apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers to keep building the Body of Christ until that perfection comes.

    I do not like people condemning each other over these disagreements. 1 Co. 13:8-10 teaches us to expect the imperfections until “that which is perfect has come.” We need to allow for our imperfections “with all lowliness and gentleness, with long-suffering, bearing with one another in love, endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace” (Eph. 4:2,3).

    And Paul advises, “Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast to what is good” (1 Thess. 5:19-21). Note how we show respect, not in rejecting or accepting but in testing.

    Pastor Jack, quite rightly you leave aside “prophecies” that do not stir your spirit, but, doubtless, you have experienced the converse as well. Out of the blue one day, my pastor said I should step out in a certain direction. It was an idea playing around in my mind that I had not shared with anyone. With that, I stepped out into an area that has blessed me and many others.

    We know that prophecy is speaking God’s words for someone (2 Peter 1:20-21), in concept, quite simple. I have spoken such on this site. Someone accused me of lying in a prayer for another. There is only one way to silence such a critic: give a personal word explicitly from the Lord. The outcome was, “I asked the Lord what he wants to say to you. A thought came to mind: Go, get it right with your Mom; she needs it.” So far, the critic has remained silent.

    You will note I made no claims; I simply stated my experience. It is for the recipient to decide if it truly is from God or not. This word was a little too generic for my taste. However, it is consistent with scripture. And it was not for me; it need only be significant to the recipient.

    For my part, it is important to take the risk and speak. To continue building the Body of Christ, I am convinced the Lord wants to speak to us personally and often, in a balanced way through His written word, His indwelling Spirit and through each other.

  • Jean Camille

    HELP! I’ve been attacked by the spam bot again. This is attempt #2 with a little re-organisation.

    Background Texts
    For me, a key passage here is Ephesians 4:1-15. We are nowhere near the perfect man of Eph. 4:13. That tells me we still need, in some sense of the words, apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers to keep building the Body of Christ until that perfection comes.
    I do not like people condemning each other over these disagreements. 1 Co. 13:8-10 teaches us to expect imperfections until “that which is perfect has come.” We need to allow for our imperfections “with all lowliness and gentleness, with long-suffering, bearing with one another in love, endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace” (Eph. 4:2,3)
    And Paul advises, “Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good” (1 Thess. 5:19-21). Note how we show respect, not in rejecting or accepting but in testing.

    Application
    Pastor Jack, quite rightly you leave aside “prophecies” that do not stir your spirit, but, doubtless, you have experienced the converse as well. Out of the blue one day, my pastor said I should step out in a certain direction. It was an idea playing around in my mind that I had not shared with anyone. With that, I stepped out into an area that has blessed me and many others.
    We know that prophecy is speaking God’s words for someone (2 Peter 1:20-21), in concept, quite simple. On this site, someone accused me of lying in a prayer for another. There is only one way to silence such a critic: give a personal word explicitly from the Lord. The outcome was, “I asked the Lord what he wants to say to you. A thought came to mind: Go, get it right with your Mom; she needs it.” So far, the critic has remained silent.

    Comment
    You will note I made no claims; I simply stated my experience. It is for the recipient to decide if it truly is from God or not. This word was a little too generic for my taste. However, it is consistent with scripture. And it was not for me; it need only be significant to the recipient.
    For my part, it is important to take the risk and speak. To continue building the Body of Christ, I am convinced the Lord wants to speak to us personally and often, in a complementary way through His written word, His indwelling Spirit and through His Body members.

  • Michael73501

    So, let’s set this all in order…

    1.) Romans 1:17 – But the righteous shall live by faith.

    2.) Romans 10:17 – Faith comes by hearing the WORD of God.

    3.) Romans 14:23 – …and whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

    You can provide NT “word” for your religious teachings and practices, OR you can choose to NOT “walk by faith”.

    Accept NO substitutes! It’s your decision.