What The Bible Says About Good Works

What The Bible Says About Good Works October 3, 2018

We are not saved by works but saved to do works, so here’s what the Bible says about works.

Not by Works

Jesus said that the kingdom of God is about repentance and faith or belief (Mark 1:14-15), but it is only through Jesus Christ that we can be saved. The Bible teaches that it is “by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast” (Eph 2:8-9). Eternal life is not received by, or attained by, or kept by a person’s conduct or behavior (works), and if we try to add works to our salvation, we have rejected grace. Jesus warned about those who thought they were righteous because of what they did, saying, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God” (Luke 16:15). It is never about religion. It’s about a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. It is not by grace plus stop smoking or grace plus weekly church attendance or grace plus baptism or grace plus stop drinking (or just fill in the blank). We are saved by grace alone, period.

Danger of Works

Who could imagine that doing good works could turn against them someday? If we believe our works contribute to our salvation, instead of being a byproduct of our salvation, then our trust is not fully on Christ. For example, a person who believes we should obey the Ten Commandments or be lost doesn’t understand grace. The Apostle Paul would tell them, “You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace” (Gal 5:4). If that is the case, “Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh” (Gal 3:2-3)? The truth is “all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them” (Gal 3:10), so “it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith” (Gal 3:11).

Works for Christ

Jesus indicated that our works must be done in secret, just as our giving should be, but when our works are done to be seen by others, and the person receives the glory, their works are worthless to God. Jesus said of the Day of Judgment, “that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name,” but what does Jesus tell them? He says, “I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness’” (Math. 7:22-23). Once a person trusts in Jesus Christ, there isn’t anything else they can do to improve on it. How can you improve on Christ’s perfection; in His perfecting gift of His own life? It is all sufficient in His propitiation. Certainly our works will naturally become better by the new nature in us, but we are not saved by those works. Jesus warned that “many” will say to Him, “Lord, Lord,” we did such and such, but these same many will be turned away…forever. Perhaps they were thinking their works would be enough so save them. Wrong.

Fellowship and Relationships

If I fast twice a week, read the Bible daily for one hour, never miss church, God loves me exactly the same as if I did none of those things this week. Our fellowship will be hurt, but our relationship will not change. When my son was young, he got in trouble for breaking house rules, and our fellowship as father and son was strained, but our relationship never changed! It will always be the same. Nothing he could do would ever stop me from loving him, and he will always be my son, no matter what he does. It’s the same with our heavenly Father. You know you are preaching the works-plus-nothing-gospel if it is salvation through grace alone, by Christ alone. Any other form of salvation than by grace alone is man’s own fabrication, and it’s nothing you can hang your hat on. It is [solely] “the gift of God” (Ephesians 2:8), and not the effort by man. We’re not saved by works, but we’re saved to do works that God has ordained that we should walk in (Eph 2:10). To attempt to make the believer’s response part of their own salvation, and to look upon grace as “a help,” is to flatly deny the gospel, since if it is “by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace…” (Romans 11:6). The simple Biblical message is that we are saved only by the free gift of graces, “For if by one man’s offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:17). The thief on the cross had no chance of doing any good works before death, and even if he could have, they wouldn’t have helped him get saved.

Shed Blood

Jesus came to give His life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45), and when He introduced the New Covenant, He said, “for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins” (Matthew 26:28). The Apostle Peter proclaimed that “Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit” (1 Peter 3:18). Paul’s preaching is summarized at the end of 2 Corinthians 5:21, writing that it was “For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” The righteousness needed to enter the kingdom is only found outside of ourselves, since we have no righteousness within us. Sadly, there are far too many who, “being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness” (Romans 10:3).


Aren’t you glad that we don’t have to do good works to save ourselves? If that were the case, who would ever know when enough good works would be enough? Jesus only mentioned works one time in regards to what we could do, saying, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent” (John 6:29), and just who can believe on Him? Anyone who repents and puts their trust in Christ can be saved (John 3:16). Today is the day of salvation (2 Cor 6:2). Today, Jesus beckons, “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light” (Matt 11:28-30). Trying to work your way into heaven will wear you out! Come to Christ today and rest in Him, because His “yoke is easy” and His “burden is light.” A lot easier and lighter than yours and mine is.

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • pud

    “Aren’t you glad that we don’t have to do good works to save ourselves?”

    Whoo Hooo! Three cheers serial killers, pedophiles, mass murderers! You can do your worst so long as just before you croak you “BELIEVE”!! You see the insecure ego maniac “god” can tolerate your most evil acts so long as you “believe” nonsense and stupidity from an ancient BOOK written by ignorant savages in the middle east. LOL!

    This isn’t surprising given that the deity is the greatest mass murderer of all time! Genocide is bad but not as bad as not BELIEVING! Rape is bad but all forgiven if you just BELIEVE in some invisible undetectable story book character!

    Simple jack…..what a waste of a life

    • Good word, Pud! These religious fanatics believe ancient nonsense written by ignorant and barbaric savages, then consign the rest of us to burn in a literal fire called hell. Couldn’t they make up a better religion? Apparently, not!

      • pud

        It’s all about “belief” and nothing about fact or truth. They start with the premise that this stupid antiquated book is a correct vision of reality. All their conclusions MUST fit the premise. They are wholly dishonest and steadfastly refuse to ask the question first and then seek a rational answer…nope…they start with the answer and fit the questions to support it. They are infantile, willfully ignorant, totally indoctrinated mindless sheep and proud of it! LOL

        • Well said! All religions espouse cultism in some form or another and the “sheep” blindly follow their religious guru or cult organisation. Christianity, itself, has over 40,000 different cults. Almost all its members are deluded and totally indoctrinated. Fortunately, some church attendees are atheists and others are agnostics. Even some pastors and priests have become atheists, but all these are few and far between all the indoctrinated and deluded.

  • JimboFlex

    I like the article but I think you may have over complicated the message.

    Man is saved by faith alone, but what results from that faith? Should it not produce a change that is visible outwardly?

    Also consider the fallen angelic host. They have perfect understanding of the cosmos, they have witnessed the divine personally , and they have faith that God is who he is. Yet look at their works.

    This is what James was talking about. Faith without works is dead.

    • Theodore A. Jones

      “For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.” Rom. 2:13

    • Jack Wellman

      Thank you for clarifying that.

      • pud

        LOL! Clarifies gibberish with even more gibberish!

    • pud

      “The fallen angelic host”? WTF? Is there no limit to the absurdly stupid things you demented people can come up with?

  • Carlos Santiago

    Nice article Jack. My 2 cents are scripture tells us faith should not be sterile but leading to producing an abundance of fruit as listed in Galatians 5:22. For me focusing on that helps me day to day.

    • Jack Wellman

      Thank you Mr. Santiago. Your “2 cents” is always invaluable to me sir.

  • pud

    How come you’re not out doing the work of the lord jack?

    2 Chronicles 15:13 ESV / 99 helpful votes
    But that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

    Luke 19:27 ESV / 94 helpful votes
    But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

    Deuteronomy 17:1-20 ESV / 48 helpful votes
    “You shall not sacrifice to the Lord your God an ox or a sheep in which is a blemish, any defect whatever, for that is an abomination to the Lord your God. “If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones. …

    2 Chronicles 15:12-13 ESV / 44 helpful votes
    And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

    John 3:16 ESV / 32 helpful votes
    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

    Leviticus 20:27 ESV / 32 helpful votes
    “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”

    1 Samuel 15:2-3 ESV / 30 helpful votes
    Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

    Exodus 22:19 ESV / 30 helpful votes
    “Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death.

    Matthew 10:34 ESV / 29 helpful votes
    “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

    Leviticus 20:13 ESV / 29 helpful votes
    If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

    Deuteronomy 17:2 ESV / 27 helpful votes
    “If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant,

    Deuteronomy 17:2-5 ESV / 27 helpful votes
    “If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones.

    Revelation 21:8 ESV / 26 helpful votes
    But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

    Deuteronomy 17:12 ESV / 25 helpful votes
    The man who acts presumptuously by not obeying the priest who stands to minister there before the Lord your God, or the judge, that man shall die. So you shall purge the evil from Israel.

    • Why is it that Glory and Jack don’t deal with these passages? Why does Glory feign loyalty to the bible, yet ignores these passages? Why is she trying to get us banned from this blog? What is she so afraid of? She seems to be psychopathic?

    • Good quotes Pud. Glory is a complete fruitcake. According to her, this holy book is inspired by some god. Well he’s a god of wicked violence, not the God of love that she pretends to believe in. Her cruel and vicious god is going to burn all who don’t follow him in the lake of fire and brimstone, forever. Can’t she make up a better religion than this? Her brain is so atrophied that she is incapable of making up a better religion.

      Since there is no god, what she fails to realise is that all religions are human made. She’s got hers and all others who disagree with her are false.

  • Glory

    Goodbye Pastor Wellman. I see the people with evil intentions are still here and you seem to be powerless to remove them from this blog comments section so I will shake the sand from my feet, leave them to their evil devices and move on.

    We need to be looking for people with the teachable spirit to transmit Christianity to not letting people with evil spirits get away with things.

    Atheists expect civility from us and try to manipulate Christians on their own blogs with it while they ruthlessly eject evangelicals from their own blogs along with insulting them. By that fact alone it ought to be obvious who the better group to belong to is.

    They will know us by our love but they should not be allowed to manipulate us with it.

    So you took the side of evil Pastor. That blocking feature not withstanding. I shouldn’t have to have half the commenters on block in a thread. If these people want to blaspheme God it should not be tolerated on here and that is the gift of prophecy speaking. The gift that does not let evil get away with things.

    You have to be even firmer online than out in the world about who you let into your internet community because the evil people always think they will get away with their evil with impunity on Christian blogs.

    Blocking doesn’t stand up to evil. Banning and setting posting rules of behavior does.

    Have a blessed day, Jack. I have had my say and am out of here for good.

    • Glory

      Read this verse:

      2 Corinthians 6:17 King James Version (KJV)

      17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

      Every time you read a comment from pud et al you came into contact with the unclean thing.

      The Bible commentary explanation of the verse from bible study tools:

      2 Corinthians 6:17
      Wherefore come out from among them
      Since they were the temple of the living God, built up an habitation for the Most High; since he resided among them, took his walks in the midst of them, was their God, and they were his people. These words are taken out of ( Isaiah 52:11 ) where the several phrases here used may be observed. They seem to be directed to the Israelites, and particularly to the priests and Levites, who bore the vessels of the Lord; and are fitly applied to believers under the Gospel dispensation, who are by Christ made priests unto God. They are usually interpreted by the Jewish writers, as a call to the Jews to come out of captivity, to quit Babylon and Persia, and the several cities and countries where they were; and are applied in ( Revelation 18:4 ) to mystical Babylon, the church of Rome, as a call to God’s people, to leave the superstitions and idolatries of that church, lest they be partakers of her plagues; and here, by the apostle, as an exhortation to believers in general, to forsake the company and conversation of the men of the world: who may be said to come out from among them at first conversion, when they are called to forsake their own people, and their Father’s house, to leave their native country, and seek an heavenly one; and when, in consequence of effectual calling grace, their conversations are different from what they were before, and from other Gentiles; when they dislike their former companions, abhor their sinful conversation, abstain from it, keep out of it, as being infectious, hurtful, and detrimental to them; when they have no fellowship with the workers of iniquity, but reprove them both by words and deeds, which is their incumbent duty: the phrase in Isaiah is, “go ye out from the midst of her”; which Kimchi interprets, “out of the midst of every city in which thou art”; that is, in which idolaters lived; and well agrees with (ek mesou autwn) here, “out of the midst of them”:

      and be ye separate, saith the Lord;
      this phrase is not to be met with expressly in our version of the above text in Isaiah, but is signified by several expressions in it; the words rendered “depart ye, depart ye”, are by the Targum, or Chaldee paraphrase on the place, expressed by (wvrpta wvrpta) , “be ye separate, be ye separate”, which are the very words of the apostle here; and the phrase, “touch no unclean thing”, is explained by R. Aben Ezra, (Mlweh twmwam) (wldbyv) , “that they might be separate from the nations of the world” and another word, (wrbh) , “be ye clean”, signifies such a purgation as is made by separation, by removing the clean from the unclean, by separating the wheat from the chaff. The people of God are a separate people in election, redemption, and the effectual calling, and ought to be so in their conduct and conversation; they ought to separate themselves from all superstition and will worship in religious matters, and from the evil customs and manners of the world, though they are sure to become a prey, and to expose themselves to the contempt and rage of it:

      and touch not the unclean thing.
      The allusion is to several laws under the former dispensation, which forbid touching many things which were accounted unclean, whereby pollution was contracted, and the persons were obliged to a ceremonial cleansing; see ( Leviticus 5:2 Leviticus 5:3 ) ( Numbers 19:11 Numbers 19:16 ) . It has no regard to touching, tasting, and eating any sort of food, which was forbid as unclean by the ceremonial law; for the difference between meats clean and unclean was now removed; but if anything is particularly designed by the unclean thing, it seems to be idolatry, and to be a prohibition of joining with worshippers of idols in their idolatrous practices, whereby a moral pollution is contracted; since in the beginning of the former verse it is said, “what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?” though it is rather intended in general, to forbid all communion and fellowship with unclean persons and things, not to touch them, to come nigh them, or have anything to do with them:

      and I will receive you;
      this, and what follows in the next verse, are said to encourage believers to keep at a distance from wicked and immoral persons, whose company and conversation are dishonourable, ensnaring, and defiling. These persons had been already received into the love of God, his best and strongest affections, from which there can be no separation; and in the covenant of grace, which as it cannot be removed, so neither could they be removed out of that; they were received into the church of Christ, and had a place and a name in it, better than that of sons and daughters; and as they had been received by Christ, when they came to him as poor perishing sinners without him, so they were still received graciously, notwithstanding their many backslidings: neither of these therefore is the sense of this passage: but, that whereas by quitting society with carnal men, they would expose themselves to their resentments; the Lord here promises, that he would take them under the wings of his protection; he would take care of them and preserve them, keep them as the apple of his eye, and be a wall of fire round about them, whilst in this world; and when he had guided them by his counsel here, would “receive” them “to glory”: this clause seems to be taken from the latter part of ( Isaiah 52:12 ) which may be rendered, “the God of Israel will gather you”; i.e. to himself, and protect them.

    • You only want one point of view to be discussed: yours and those who agree with you. The pastor is not evil for allowing different viewpoints to be expressed. Your level of tolerance is pretty low. All Pud and I are doing is showing that some parts of the bible are bloodthirsty and barbaric. Don’t you believe what is written in your supposedly infallible book?

      • pud

        “Glory” is the one who threw the torch into the pile of sticks that burned alive those who held a different opinion. “Glory” is the book burner, the inquisitor, the crusader who slaughtered their way across the barbaric landscape. “Glory” is the Conquistador who carried a bible in one hand and sword in the other. There is no room for dissent in a cult, their make believe “god” doesn’t have any so why should they? When your brain is possessed and you’ve surrendered your critical thinking skills you become “Glory”

        • Well said, Pud!

          • pud

            Yeah but don’t forget! You were “created” in the “image of god” AND you’re worthy of death. LOL! SICK!

        • Glory

          Goodbye pud. Your logic sucks and leads you to false equivocations i.e. stereotyping people and slandering people online that are different from yourself. That makes you an empathyless psychopathic xenophobe who leads smear campaigns.

          I am one of the biggest proponents of free speech and never burned a book in my life and would not join a religious crusade because God dislikes violence.

          I am not against dissent. I am against your evil hate speech which is criminal.

          If Hitler’s evil hate speech had been stopped then WWII would not have happened.

          Christians don’t care about your arguments that keep you spiritually blind but they ought to point out what a xenophobic hater you are so nobody entertains your evil lies for one second.

          People who live in glass houses should not throw stones Mr. Class A Xenophobe.

          I don’t need to read any more of your rebellious thinking and am not going down to your level.
          So goodbye. You have failed.

          Arguments don’t sway true believers because we have our own faith based logic based on God and His character.

          You are a boundary violator. You never respect other people and throw verbal tantrums when people do not give you attention or concede to your demands so that makes you an attention whore on this blog.

          If you need to argue and have attention then get your own blog and set the agenda and stop hounding Christians.

          I know you are too far gone to listen to reason so I am out of here.

          Go ahead and rant on here like a rabid dog but don’t expect a God loving Christian to take you seriously. We have better things to meditate on than all that rebellion you allowed to drive you crazy.

          Sayonara. And stop claiming to be logical. If no one can reason with you then you aren’t so rational.

          You are back on block now and have been reported. I am leaving to discuss with more reasonable people and may never return. I may start a church so yeah you are an epic fail at trying to destroy my faith.

          • pud

            There’s no such thing as “faith based logic” Logic is empirical, testable, demonstrable. If any proposition is testable, demonstrable and empirical there is no need for “faith”

            It is you who have failed…miserably.

            Your “adhominem” attacks are pitiful and show how vacuous your attempt at reason is. You don’t reason, You are irrational, You cannot win the argument because you have no argument.

            You live in a fantasy make believe realm with invisible undetectible agents running around pulling strings…these are the things only lunatics could “believe”

            You care nothing for the TRUTH and only the preservation of your failed hypothesis….sad actually

          • Jack Wellman

            I flagged Pud on her words months ago but to no avail, so I just blocked her so I don’t have to see the garbage. Her only agenda is to bash, insult, degrad, and sophmoric things like this we all stopped doing in Jr. High, so I don’t even see her useless comments, just as Arthur. I tried but they didn’t want to learn anything but simply come to troll. Take care Glory.

          • Glory

            Thanks for your response, Jack. I am sure you are a busy man. You did right to flag and block him but keep persevering. I got banned by atheists so many times because I refused to give up and give in to their nonsense.

            Why do they think we haven’t heard their arguments? I have witnessed hundreds and am unimpressed. They are sophomoric.

            Somethings they deliberately overlook like it is better to be a lover than a hater are so obvious that you just know they are letting evil rule them.

            You don’t deny God, Jesus and sin and think it won’t have repercussions do you?

            A lot of atheists pretend not to be, too, to fit in. I read one on an atheist blog once moaning about having to attend church with his wife who had no idea he was an atheist. 70 percent of atheists are men. 30 percent are women. So that means some will have to misrepresent themselves to get a significant other. So the deviousness runs deep. I know it does.

            Really who pillories another group of people without examining himself and his group’s own history. Atheism resulted in political anarchy once for 17 years under one British king in Great Britain and we see it’s political vicissitudes when we examine the regimes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim of North Korea.

            God bless you for your perseverance. Give God the glory and He will give you the victory.

            It is hard to have genuine Christian fellowship online with all these atheist trolls constantly trolling for a fight. Why don’t they see themselves as they really are. Xenophobes controlled by spirits of fear and unbelief.

          • Look at all the murders you Christians committed during the crusades and the torture you applied during the inquisition.

            Also look at John Cavin’s Geneva. 34 so-called witches were burnt at the stake and Servetus was burnt for heresy. Your spirit filled murderers did all this, and it was all legal, because the “butchers” were the ones with political power who wrote the barbaric laws, based on your barbaric, bloodthirsty, ignorant and very violent holy book.

          • Most atheists in the Western World are not Marxist and so are NOT responsible for atheism that was based on dialectical and historical materialism. Are you so dim-witted and ignorant that you cannot tell the difference between a Communist and a humanist who is an atheist?

            Well, it’s like saying that that subset of evangelicals who are peaceful are responsible for the crusades, the inquisition and the horrors that occurred under John Calvin in Protestant Geneva. See my next post to you.

          • Glory

            Oh when I first set out to save a large group of atheists it was in a rough online neigborhood where the Christians were outnumbered approximately 20 to 1. I was innocent and just thought they were mistaken and needed re-education because they had such a poor grasp of the Old Testament and other concepts. I didn’t know so many would fake good naturedness and courtesy only to get close and launch a cheap personal attack but many, though not all of them, do.

            So arguing when people are hidden behind computer screens like the KKK under hoods and there is no strict moderation is out and not a safe occupation for Christians online.

            Simply deliver the Gospel and move on. The sincere truth seeker will seek God or ask a polite question. The hardened against God they want to argue and show off their intellects and subject you to mockery.

            But why allow them to subject you?

            Deliver the Gospel and leave. The Word of God will not come back void.

          • You’re delusional! “The Word of God will not come back void”. Really? If God does not exist, there can be no word of any god. Have you considered using the pages of the bully bull as toilet paper?

          • Glory

            Atheists need to stop puffing and preening over their “arguments” which are really just gussied up lies other evil men taught them and let God change them.

            When you let God in He is love and His love will change you from the inside out just like Stephen Curtis Chapman’s song “When Love Lets You In” explains.

            It is quite obvious the more love you receive the better you turn out. All you have to do is compare children raised in loving homes versus unloving ones.

            Well God’s love is the greatest and His family is the greatest, too.

            When I have experienced this why would I let the dogs who haven’t tear it apart? They need to seek God and let Him civilize their hearts for themselves.

          • You are teaching the “gussied up lies” that the evil barbaric savages who created god in their image taught you. You should use its pages as toilet paper.

          • Glory

            Peace Be With You, Brother Jack. I see the trolls are frothing again but we are simply different from them.

            I have no desire to be a loveless, hard hearted atheist. That is too discouraging to contemplate and so why play ball with those wild dogs when they haven’t got a snowball’s chance in hell of deconverting me?

            But they simply refuse to acknowledge that Christians are quantifiably different from them with a better and different value system.

            Why would I want to debase myself by tossing away the best mentor and value system to please them?

            I would not because I was born more perceptive than them.

            Logic is nothing without perception/discernment.

            They can’t even perceive God exists in their spiritual blindness but some people are more perceptive than others. Check Myers Briggs personality types. God makes some people more perceptive than others. Of course, some of the perceptive ones allow this world to tinker with their perception through false philosophical arguments and other false ideas until they lose their spiritual perception.

            I never allow just anyone to tinker with my perception ability which is higher than normal because I trust my own mind is good enough to judge for itself unlike atheists who allow man made methods like science to circumvent their own judgment and common sense and replace it.

            Plenty of people are believers and scientists so who got tinkered out of faith in his own judgment.

            Keep your lousy arguments atheists. I will think for myself thank you very much.

          • So you weren’t true to your word about leaving this blog. You’re back again trolling your cult comments, and displaying your ignorance about atheists.

          • “I see the trolls are frothing again”

            You have accurately described yourself. Well done! You are a great cult troll. You espouse your cultic ideas and try to capture gullible believers within your grasp. Thank goodness Pud, I and others are trying to deliver gullible and brainwashed believers from your false cult.

          • ” I am not against dissent.”

            You could have fooled me. If you are not against dissent, why are you trying to get rational atheists banned from this blog? Why if you are not against dissent do you keep attributing the truth of atheism to “evil lies”? Why if you are not against dissent do you refuse to read so-called “rebellious thinking”? What are you shit scared of?

        • Well said! Pud. I don’t think she even knows what critical thinking skills are.

  • Glory

    Pastor, Here is the REPORT ABUSE PAGE for you or anyone else who would like to report abuse from pud or that Arthur fellow.

    How to Report Abuse on Disqus

    Even if you block an abuser that still leaves other people open to their unsolicited verbal abuse.

    So don’t be afraid to use any legal means in your power and at your disposal to stop religious harassment crimes.

  • pud

    “jesus said”…no he didn’t…the authors of the BOOK wrote that he said this or that. Name the scribe who followed him around and took dictation…EVEN WHEN STORYBOOK jesus WAS ALL ALONE! Any cult leader who CLAIMS that you must follow him or else is sick which makes you a willing sheep! Rev moon said…Charles Manson said….Dear Leader said….The boss said….

    “FAITH” and “BELIEF” are THE MOST DISHONEST positions anyone can take! There is NOTHING too absurd to “believe” via “faith” All unsupported “BELIEFS” are exactly equal regardless of how stupid they may be. NONE require evidence or proof, making them the dwelling place of the credulous, gullible, ignorant, stupid and easily led. “BELIEF” in alien abductions, Bigfoot and jesus are on the same equal footing and those who by “faith”, “believe” the ridiculous have nothing to add to the conversation. NOTHING.

    You are a TERRORIST jack….you pimp your wares of guilt, shame and unworthiness under threat of hellfire if the stupid masses don’t follow your cult. How do you sleep at night? How do you look at yourself in the mirror?

    • Well Glory prefers Jesus to bigfoot, but can offer no more evidence for Jesus than for bigfoot. And when you point this out to her, all she can do is to accuse you of abuse. Apparently, if you disagree with religious fanatics then this is called “verbal abuse” but if atheists are misrepresented by these fanatics by their lying for Jesus, it seems to be okay for them to do it. It doesn’t matter to them that their holy book says, ” You shall not bear false witness”.