How Can We Be Holy, As God Is Holy?

How Can We Be Holy, As God Is Holy? January 21, 2019

The Word tells us to be holy as God is holy, so how is that possible?

Holy, Holy, Holy

Perhaps one of the greatest attributes of God, if not “the” greatest attribute of God, is that He is holy. When Jews wanted to emphasize something, they would often repeat it, much in the same way that God often repeated a person’s name twice, but this repeating of the person’s name was an indication of a close, personal relationship. Jesus would say “Peter, Peter,” and later, “Saul, Saul.” In the past, God said “Moses, Moses,” or “Abraham, Abraham,” so importance or emphasis was often the purpose of repeating something or someone’s name, so what are we to make of Isaiah seeing the Lord on His throne, while the seraphim’s proclaim, “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory” (Isaiah 6:3)! Here it is stated that God is not just “Holy, or “Holy, Holy,” but “Holy, Holy, Holy.” Repeating something three times is the greatest emphasis that could be given in Jewish literature, and as great of an emphasis as there is in the Bible, and it is reserved for God alone. God is so holy that it is beyond human comprehension, so how can we be holy as God is holy? Isn’t that asking the impossible?

False Converts

There will be many people that will be before Christ on Judgment Day, but many will hear the most shocking thing of their life. Jesus said of that Day, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” (Matt 7:21), so doing God’s will is more important than saying, “Lord, Lord,” which again, repeating a name indicates a personal relationship, but they don’t really have one with Christ. They think they know the Lord, but Jesus doesn’t know them, and that has tragic consequences. The Lord said that “many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name” (Matt 7:22)? They thought they were doing things for Christ, but not actually doing the things He specifically commanded (i.e. Matt 25:35-36). They emphasized works and “doing” instead of the finished work of Christ, and as a result, Jesus says that “I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness” (Matt 7:23). It does not matter to Jesus if you say you know Him. What is of eternal importance is that He knows you. They relied on their works to be saved (Eph 2:10), instead of Christ to save them by grace alone. There are “many” who think they have this relationship with Christ (“Lord, Lord”) but these same many, not a few, will be turned away from the kingdom for all time.

You Be Holy

The Bible calls us to be holy as God is holy, but God wouldn’t command us to do something if it were not possible, so it must be possible to become holy before God, or at least, in His sight. The Apostle Peter commanded us to be “like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior” (1 Pet 1:15). He could have been quoting Leviticus 11:44-45, or Leviticus 19:2, or even Leviticus 20:7, but his point is well taken: “You shall be holy, for I am holy” (1 Pet 1:16), so how do we do that or how do we become holy? Is it even possible that fallen, sinful creatures can become holy? To answer this question, we must look to Jesus. The Apostle Paul tells us that it was “For our sake he [God] made him [Jesus] to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Cor 5:21). Notice that it wasn’t for our sakes that He made us to be sinless, but rather, it was for Jesus’ sake. It was because of Him “who knew no sin” that Jesus became sin for us. This was the only way that “we might become the righteousness of Christ,” and being seen as having Jesus’ very own righteousness. Only then can we enter the kingdom. For everyone that has received the righteousness of Christ, they are not the same because, “if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come” (2 Cor 5:17).

                                          Old Nature

Our old, sinful nature doesn’t just disappear overnight or on the day we’re saved, but rather, the new creation in Christ and our old nature battle it out. After we receive a new nature as a child of God, the old still likes to come knocking at our door and make himself at home. It’s a battle that we will all fight, all the way to the grave. The new creation in Christ is enough to take us into the kingdom, even though the old nature tugs at our sleeve and still whispers in our ear, “Do this.” Paul wrote, “For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing” (Rom 7:19). Sound familiar? Paul was a new creation in Christ (2 Cor 5:17), but the old kept being resurrected, time and again, until in desperation, Paul cried out, “Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death” (Rom 7:24)? I bet you know Paul’s answer. It comes next in Romans 7:25 where Paul gives us all hope. He answers his own question with, “Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin” (Rom 7:25).

Conclusion

To be holy as God is holy we must repent of our sins and put our trust in Christ. Once that happens, we become new creations in Christ and our nature is changed. We now desire to live holier lives and to avoid those things we used to do before we were saved. Now, we might fall into sin, but it’s not like it was before where we’d dive into sin and drink up the waters. Today we still sin but we don’t keep on sinning because the Holy Spirit convicts of us our sins and we confess them to God and repent of them. The new creation confesses and repents, whereas the old man even denied there is such a thing as sin, but the one who admits they’re a sinner and confesses their sins before God will be like the tax collector who came to God and was saved. Jesu said of him, “I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other” (Luke 18:14a). The Pharisee tried to justify himself by his works. That’s bad news because we’ve already seen the results of bringing works to Christ to show we’re saved (Matt 7:21-23). The saved are not saved by works, but the saved will do works because they’re saved. The lost do works believing that will save them, but their works will be the thing that condemns them as “they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done” (Rev 20:13). We must trust in the finished work of Christ. If you think you’re a good person, or you trust in your own “goodness” or works, then “the second death, the lake of fire” (Rev 20:14) is your final destination. I pray you repent of that and trust in Christ today, while the present day of salvation is still here (2 Cor 6:2). Tomorrow it may not be. In fact, tomorrow, “you” may even not be (Heb 9:27).

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • pud

    There is no “word”…there is a collection of stories, myths, absurdities and ridiculous ignorant claims by ancient know nothing savages. It is only you delusional cult members who have drank the kool-aid who “believe” and “think” its some divine “word”…it is not. It is gibberish, and nonsense from beginning to end. There is no such thing as sin, christ, repenting, begging, praying, miracles, hell, heaven or any celestial being tinkering with pitiful human beings and there certainly isn’t any nirvana coming anyone’s way for buying into such tripe. You propagate infantile fear based, guilt based, wish thinking and couldn’t care less for reality, logic, reason or the truth of anything…such it the nature of delusional cults

    • Graeme Cooksley

      Pud, Still trolling. Still hiding.

      • pud

        Nope..not trolling….simply destroying your superstitious death cult one comment at a time. Just doing my part to expose the lunacy and insanity of your make believe, child indoctrinating, brain rotting stupid book worshiping. You’re welcome!

        • Graeme Cooksley

          “In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion”
          I think the cap fits you.

        • No, you are trying to sneer away your shame, and then trying harder when you realize it doesn’t work.

          This Ven. Fulton Sheen quote describes you perfectly:

          “Conscience, Christ, and the gift of faith make evil men uneasy in their sin. They feel that if they could drive Christ from the earth, they would be free from “moral inhibitions.” They forget that it is their own nature and conscience which makes them feel that way. Being unable to drive God from the heavens, they would drive his ambassadors from the earth. In a lesser sphere, that is why many men sneer at virtue–because it makes vice uncomfortable.”

          So perfect it even describes your comment on “child indoctrinating.” It is that Good.

          Now, as it says, your fundamental error is assuming that you are ashamed of your evil because you have heard of God. you then stupidly assume that you would not be ashamed if you had never heard of God. Wrong.

          As the quote accurately states, shame is merely a response of your nature against doing unnatural things. That you would be ashamed of your evil no matter what.

          It then goes on to describing the two insane steps you take to try to make your shame go away: denying God, and attacking Christians.

          • pud

            “Faith” isn’t a “gift” it’s gullibility. “Faith” can be claimed for any stupid “belief” including all your nonsense. There is nothing no matter how absurd that can’t be “believed” in via “faith” so it is NOT a pathway to truth but a cop out for the simple minded incapable of critical thinking

          • It is a gift to found yourself in the only possible foundation for anything. Else someone becomes like you.

    • The Word of God is Scripture. That is not something you can sneer away, as that is the literal title of Scripture.

      Now let me define terms for you, which you should really pay attention to as I will probably be the only person in your life who can do it that is also willing to do so:

      sin is division from God.

      Christ is God.

      Repentance (literally “going beyond your mind”) means transcending your fallen nature to ask for forgiveness so you may be healed of the damage caused by sin.

      Begging is when someone desperately wants something, and cannot get it of their own volition, so therefore relies on the kindness of others.

      Praying is communing with God. Since our fallen nature makes prayer impossible, God has to come to people to prompt them to pray.

      Miracles are when God susspends the laws of His Creation to aid his Creations.

      hell is total, complete, permanent division from God. A furnace to which all wicked put themselves. It is common error to think God sends people to hell, when people send themselves there and God respects their free will by letting them go.

      Heaven is our home and where we were created for.

      Only “celestial beings” I know of are planets, which are just floating rocks.

      • pud

        Every single bit of that insane drivel is NOTHING but mindless, baseless assertion and parroting of the established christian religious cult. Demonstrate that ONE SINGLE thing you babbled is anything other than a ridiculous claim on the exact same level as every other religious “claim” through the ages

        • Scripture is just Prophets recounting their dealings with God.

          It is regularly corroborated by common sense, reality, and history. Take Romans 1 as a good example of what happened to you.

  • Maltnothops

    I wonder what it says about Donald Trump’s holiness that he repeats himself so much.

  • tovlogos

    Amen, Jack — Yes, it’s positional holiness, not literal…the believer in Jesus consciously makes the commitment to follow Him,
    establishing his position in the creation, and in the kingdom of heaven. John 3:3 and Matthew 22:37-39; and on the narrow path…Matt. 7:13-14.
    These are among the indelible anchors in finding our way to the Kingdom (which is said plainly in John 3:3). As we hobble all the way
    to the kingdom, on the narrow path. We’ll have obstacles and scoffers; but we will walk in His light — to do this consistently is human perfection.

    • pud

      It is insanity of the highest order to “follow” a non-existent, invisible, undetectable make believe character from a ridiculous ancient book. You cannot “follow” what doesn’t exist. Only lunatics and small children have imaginary friends.

      • tovlogos

        I understand your position pud.

      • Matthew 22:37

        Albert Einstein has been widely quoted as saying, “The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.”

        • pud

          A mind..intuitive or not..is not a “gift”

          • Matthew 22:37

            Taking off. Your mind is firmly closed and I am going to respect your decision to stop thinking which you show by your ill willed behavior and predilection to insult people.

            You lose. Nobody persuades anybody by refusing to be socially intelligent and you don’t have the right to go off on people on the internet.

            I guess you are subconsciously anxious because you know you might be wrong.

            There is no reason to debate with people who are not cordial.

            And too many of you waffle between agnosticism and atheism indicating internal inconsistency and if your are internally inconsistent in your belief system then there is no point to you taking a position and debating it.

            You should have researched and thought on this further.

            What you need a debate to think or prove something?

            Most people can think for themselves without all the drama.

          • pud

            Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule. I do not have any “belief system” Rational people follow where the evidence leads and only provisionally accept certain propositions to degrees of certainty. Irrational people “believe” things and hold dogmatic “belief systems”

          • Matthew 22:37

            God is the most rational person in the universe so I follow Him.

            Ridiculing people comes from a thug mentality.

            You are that extreme form of atheist called a militant atheist.

            Dialoging with you makes me feel like a Jew engaging a Nazi.

            You should check into it.

            Do you know what xenophobia is? Ask a mental health physician about it.

            Hitler is the world’s most famous xenophobe and it could be some of you militant atheists suffer from xenophobia.

            I can’t be arguing with a person with a thug mentality that may come from a phobia that can be learned and transferred can I?

            Explaining this to you so you can get checked is the best I can do. You are probably too narcissistic to get checked. Many narcissists refuse counseling. But if you are intelligent you will consider it.

            Have a nice day. Will block you after you have time to receive this message.

          • pud

            Oh, so this invisible undetectable “god” is a person eh? Dude…now I know that you’re batshit crazy

          • Matthew 22:37

            And you still have the manners of a thug. I really would get checked if I were you.

            This obsessive need to dominate people who are different from yourself is not healthy.

          • Matthew 22:37

            My dialoging with you may just be reinforcing your bad behavior.

            Go to the doctor and get checked.

            None of the Christians hate you as far as I can tell. They express concern for you. Probably suspect something is wrong but don’t know what and would rather not incite your anger towards them or hurt your feelings.

            Why don’t you google xenophobia. Xenophobes sometimes make extreme and rash verbal outbursts like you do.

            There might be a solution for it but you won’t know unless you check with a professional and get diagnosed.

            Have a great day! No one is really angry with you on this board. They just can’t understand what all this extreme emotion and outbursts is all about.

          • God has Three Persons: Father, Son, and the sigh of adoration between Father and Son.

          • pud

            Ya don’t say? Tell me how you KNOW this rather than ignorantly and irrationally “believe” such absurd and ridiculous “claims”

          • “know” as in “gnosis.” Meaning the wishful thinking that will make you “be like gods” like in the lie the devil told Eve?

          • No, you believe Truth deserves ridicule because you think that will make you hate it all in the hopes it lets you ignore it. Not so.

            As Venerable Fulton Sheen put it, evil men sneer at virtue because virtue makes their vice uncomfortable.

            Worse so is the idiocy of your position, which can be basically described as you having “a dogma that there are no dogmas.” It is a self-refuting position based on rejecting any possible foundation for any of your thoughts. We normally call that insanity in the world at large.

          • Clearly it is, as you spit at God who tried to give you one.

      • God is the uncreated, uncontingent Prime Mover. There is no foundation outside of God.

        Without Faith (which is founding oneself in God), reason is totally blind and therefore all thought is unfounded and incorrect.

        As for the presence of God, do you not get the urge to pray? That is God personally coming to you to ask you to ask Him for help.

    • Matthew 22:37

      Well if you are going to walk in His light be sure to check church doctrines against history.

      Quote:
      The preface to historian Edward Gibbons’ History of Christianity sums up the Greek influence on the adoption of the Trinity doctrine by stating: “If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism [basic religion, in this context] of the first Christians … was changed, by the Church of Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief” (1883, p. xvi).

      Quote taken from the article “Greek Philosophy’s Influence on the Trinity Doctrine” on the United Church of God site.

      I am reading “The Surprising Origins of the Trinity Doctrine” on there now.

      Question your teachers and check them against history and the scriptures until you know this better than they do.

      How can you put into practice what you can’t preach?

      Never give up seeking. God rewards seekers.

      It is truly amazing how much people, particularly Christians, trust in the rationalizations of other men without checking the record of scripture and historical events.

      Have a blessed day!

      • Hi Matt.22:37,

        Are you a Unitarian? I am glad to see that you are recognizing the gobbledegook of the Trinity doctrine. Maybe there is still hope that you will become an atheist. The doctrine of the Triune God is considered to be an essential doctrine for Christians, especially Catholics, Eastern Orthodox churches, and Protestant Evangelicals. Haven’t you, in the past, claimed to be an Evangelical Christian? Are you no longer an Evangelical?

        • That one could fit the entire ocean in a cup before you could understand the Trinity does not mean it is false. It just means that you are not very intelligent or studious.

          • Perhaps, unlike you, I am not a religious fanatic!

          • Yet your entire being is dedicated to your satanic delusions and you spend so much effort on trying to attack the Truth.

            Once more you appear to be projecting.

          • Satan is a fictitious being made up by religious fanatics.

          • Then why do you worship and serve the demon without question? Why capitalize the name out of respect? In fact, you purposefully de-capitalize God.

          • I don’t worship any invisible beings, unlike you. But your god seems to be as ugly as you satan. perhaps you are really worshipping satan, like many (but not all) Roman Catholics.

          • Yet you try to prove you are worthy of the demon by doing everything they say without question.

            The demon has no power to give you, so you waste your time and your soul.

      • Don’t Evangelicals believe that the United Church of God is a false cult? What are you doing relying on a cult as a source of insight on the Trinity doctrine?

      • tovlogos

        Thanks Matthew for your effort. After all the studying, my teacher became the word of God supported by the two languages
        of Holy Writ. That said, I firmly believe what is given in John 16:8-9 — that really works, if I do my part — my part consists of
        (1) John 3:3; (2) Matthew 22:37-40; (3) Matthew 16:24-26; and (4) Matthew 7:13-14 — everything has flowed from there et al.
        What comes is the leading of the Holy Spirit, and the very important “Assurance” of the Holy Spirit offered in Romans 8:16.
        If we believe and walk by grace through faith (despite our charistic stumbling — Luke 17:1…which is in contrast to “practicing” sin, 1 John 3:8-9) He leads us not by our merit but by faith.
        So, since I set my mind to learn from the Word, by the leading of the Spirit. I must say, I find it somewhat surprising to hear complains about the origins of the Trinity — the question is, Can the reality of the Trinity be unequivocally found in Scripture? Most assuredly and repeatedly.
        All spirituality, which is of the utmost importance, becomes available to those who love Him through faith — the ultimate nightmare of the atheist; but no problem for us. Why? because we experience the results which you will never find through philosophical minutia or finite theories. So, thanks again., and you have a blessed day as well.

        • Matthew 22:37

          tovlogos they spammed my long reply. Apparently someone (probably an atheist) wants to censor me or be a nuisance.

          Question everything. History hides a lot of secrets. Plus some people are a lot better at constructing the scriptures than others.

      • “The pure Deism of the first Christians…”

        Christians were never deists! Pure Deism assumes that God created the universe and then let it unwind like a clock that has been wound up. Christianity teaches that God actively intervenes in history and this is not Deism. You don’t seem to know what your faith teaches. And you seem to be too proud to really learn because you think that you already know more than Evangelical scholars. You think that you are led by the Spirit, but maybe you are not really so led.

      • tovlogos

        I just got your other comment about Jesus not being equal to God; and you said it as if your perspective was fact.
        Ok, fine — you believe that…Many do not. Many finite minds like army ants are marching through the jungle surviving;
        only if they could be lifted up over the jungle canopy and see the big picture — they would have to pause and realize they
        didn’t have the full truth in panorama — what they had was partially theoretical and partially temporal based observations
        on very limited info. There’s much more than meets the eye, which is why I’m more than comfortable
        since we have been taken up in our spirits beyond the jungle floor — that’s one way to put it. In short I will never agree with your perception.
        And I have a library that would take me 50 years reading 8 hours per day to finish. So, I am willing to live and let live and wish you peace.

        • Matthew 22:37

          Well if you got Jesus you got the main thing. But it is strange that over the past few months a couple of Christians on this blog and another blog didn’t get that Christians have a relationship with Jesus.

          Strange huh? Wonder what caused that when the term “children of God” is used especially by the Apostle John.

          Have a good day.

          • tovlogos

            Amen Matt

          • Matthew 22:37

            Sorry for bothering you now that you are getting trolled. John 3:3. Great verse!

          • Matthew 22:37

            I forgot to give you this verse.

            John 14:28
            You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Here is a good scriptural summation of the born again believer’s relationship with God from gotquestions.org.

            Notice Jesus praying to God who he calls Abba or Daddy.

            What does it mean that God is our Abba Father?

            Abba FatherQuestion: “What does it mean that God is our Abba Father?”

            Answer: In Scripture there are many different names used to describe God. While all the names of God are important in many ways, the name “Abba Father” is one of the most significant names of God in understanding how He relates to people. The word Abba is an Aramaic word that means “Father.” It was a common term that expressed affection and confidence and trust. Abba signifies the close, intimate relationship of a father and his child, as well as the childlike trust that a young child puts in his “daddy.”

            Abba is always followed by the word Father in Scripture, and the phrase is found in three passages. In Mark 14:36, Jesus addresses His Father as “Abba, Father” in His prayer in Gethsemane. In Romans 8:15, “Abba, Father” is mentioned in relation to the Spirit’s work of adoption that makes us God’s children and heirs with Christ. In Galatians 4:6, again in the context of adoption, the Spirit in our hearts cries out, “Abba, Father.” Together, the terms Abba and Father doubly emphasize the fatherhood of God. In two different languages, we are assured of God’s care for His children.

            Many claim that all people are “children of God,” but the Bible reveals quite a different truth. We are all His creations and under His authority and lordship, and all will be judged by Him, but the right to be a child of God and call Him “Abba Father” is something that only born-again Christians have (John 1:12–13).When we are born again (John 3:1–8), we are adopted into the family of God, redeemed from the curse of sin, and made heirs of God (Romans 8:17; Galatians 4:7). Part of that new relationship is that God now deals with us differently, as family.

            It is life-changing to understand what it means to be able to call the one true God our “Father” and what it means to be joint-heirs with Christ. Because of our relationship with our Abba, Father, He no longer deals with us as enemies; instead, we can approach Him with “boldness” (Hebrews 10:19) and in “full assurance of faith” (Hebrews 10:22). The Holy Spirit “testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ” (Romans 8:16–17).

            Becoming a child of God is the highest and most humbling of honors. Because of it we have a new relationship with God and a new standing before Him. Instead of running from God and trying to hide our sin like Adam and Eve did, we run to Him, calling, “Abba, Father!” and finding forgiveness in Christ. Being an adopted child of God is the source of our hope, the security of our future, and the motivation to “live a life worthy of the calling you have received” (Ephesians 4:1). Being children of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords calls us to a higher standard, a different way of life, and, in the future, “an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade” (1 Peter 1:4).

            When Jesus taught His disciples to pray, He began with the words Our Father. There is much truth in those two words alone. The holy and righteous God, who created and sustains all things, who is all-powerful, all-knowing, and ever-present, not only allows us but encourages us to call Him “Father.” What a privilege is ours. What amazing grace that God would love us so, that Jesus would sacrifice Himself for us, and that the Holy Spirit would indwell us and prompt our intimate cry of “Abba, Father

          • Jack Wellman

            GotQuestions.org is rock-solid. Thank you for such a strong and biblical recommendation.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Thank you, Pastor. I don’t know how you put up with this comments section. Most of the atheists seem oblivious to the fact they have never researched into the evil of the peoples surrounding the ancient Hebrews who God wanted to be a light to the nations so He surrounded them with strict legal boundaries.
            For years now I have believed God was protecting human genetics in His people as well as promoting them spiritually, emotionally, physically and morally. If they could have maintained that light they would have influenced the less godly people around them. But due to the nature of sin they couldn’t fully influence them in a godly way though they did manage to stop the worldwide practice of infanticide.

            You can let infallible God influence you or let fallible people.

            Most people don’t know today that the Hebrews hardly ever stoned anyone. The rabbis always had ways to keep it from happening.

            But people don’t research. They atheists want to condemn God off the words in His book. They don’t know a single thing about how things were applied.

            A book can engender a lot of dumb assumptions in the overly literalminded or people who want to be divisive or were brainwashed into being divisive. Who lack reverence and are unable to give the benefit of the doubt to God.

            If you are going to condemn God then you are required to do a lot of deep investigation to get Him off the hook first before condemning Him or you are not judging Him fairly.

            God said to be filled with the spirit not wine. But do people listen and obey? Alcohol addiction can run in families plus the brain can repattern itself to form addiction to it.

            Today we have 1 in 2 in Canada and 1 in 3 in the U.S.that will have cancer. That is the statistic I heard on television from a cancer charity appealing for charitable contributions. Tobacco smoking is implicated in cancer and there is a study that it affects the sperm in men. Cancer will kill more people in this century than wars will and the government of the people still let the stupid cancer lobby have access to it’s public officials for decades.

            Don’t you really get sick of these atheists taking everything out of context in the Bible totally ignoring the fact that people have limited intelligence. Only God knows all.

            I have known many people who were smokers in my life. Some smoke and drank through their pregnancies.

            Cancer isn’t only a disease of longevity. It is also a disease promoted by careless living.

            What is freedom without responsibility? If you are God’s temple then you had better take care of your temple. Because we all affect the next generation.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Btw, why do people have to teach on hell at all? How do you know the people who taught it in the early days of orthodoxy had their own hearts right with God?

            They say Jerome who made the translation errors in the Vulgate was mean spirited.

            Teach people to get their hearts right with God and leave final destiny judgments to Him.

            Eternal torment sounds like it came from someone with a real problem with spiritual pride.

            Why should you depend on some other person’s interpretation?

            Get your own heart right with God then go check the interpretations.

            Imagine you are the victim of the interpretation of someone with a bad heart motive.

            This life could be one big test where God sees who is paying attention and who isn’t.

            That is why He said to meditate on everything in Psalm 1.

            People always want to be right but it does not mean they are.

            So I have to depend on God. He is the only One 100 percent error free.

          • Jack Wellman

            Well said. God doesn’t want religion or a religious system but a personal relationship. Thank you Matthew 22:37

          • Matthew 22:37

            Evangelicals are good on the concept of spiritual birth. But I checked out all 3 positions: eternal torment, annihilationism and universal reconciliation and came to the conclusion that the universal reconciliationists are right.

            We do have a book but God never said to stop thinking and comparing and observing when using it.

            God wrote the book but He will judge us on our words and our deeds.

            Atheists are steeped in false intellectual pride.

            But they weren’t even smart enough to give God the benefit of the doubt in their own minds before attacking. Why attack Him if He doesn’t exist? So irrational of them.

            It could be that faith is giving God the benefit of the doubt. I don’t doubt that God can, is and will save this whole world. That He is all sufficient to do it of Himself and that was His expressed intent. To save the world not just believers.

            Now if His children would just put in the research they will find those translation errors.

            Unfortunately, few will bother to do it. I wouldn’t expect an atheist to do it. He’s too busy thinking onesided and condemning God. He hasn’t got enough reverence to look into God’s plan. He only condemns God off of hearsay.

            All people whether believers or unbelievers contain biases in their minds.

            Faith is a bias as is skepticism. Faith is inborn in some people. But skepticism seems to be learned.

            Isn’t it strange how some people bother to unlearn belief? God is the greatest relationship in this world to have and people go out of their way to unlearn Him and teach this unlearning to others.
            All the while they never gave God a fair shake.

            And I am suppose to believe these evil minded people?

            I believe you are innocent until proven guilty and that above all includes God.

            None of these lopsided thinking, prideful atheists have suceeded in condemning God or Christianity at all. Not in my mind. I know better than to condemn someone before researching for all the facts that exonerate them first.

            I guess atheists are on the God is guilty before He is innocent system.

            I hope you look into universal reconciliation, Pastor. We are shaped by what we believe and I do believe God is in charge of the whole salvation process and He will succeed in spite of the error prone thinking and interpretations of men. See I always give Him the benefit of the doubt.

            There are too many false teachers and cantankerous unbelievers around for me not to.

        • Hi Tovlogos,

          Where did Matthew 22:37 say that Jesus was not equal to God? If she said this, than she is definitely not an Evangelical Christian as she previously has claimed to be. All Evangelicals believe in the full Deity of Jesus and hence believe that Jesus is equal with God.

          • tovlogos

            Hi John,
            It didn’t say any such thing, and in John 20:28 — and Thomas agreed finally: “Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”… It is very noticeable that in this exchange Jesus received what Thomas said. Yet, when He was called “Good Teacher” in Luke 18:19…He didn’t receive it because He knew the ‘Ruler’ didn’t know who He ‘really’ was…

          • Matthew 22:37

            John 1:18, NASB
            No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

            Philippians 2, ESV

            5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,[b] 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[c] being born in the likeness of men.

            1 Corinthians 11:3, ESV
            3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife[a] is her husband,[b] and the head of Christ is God.

            The above verses show a divine order. Christ is under God obediently not striving for equality with Him.

            God is Jesus’ Father.

            Hope this helps!

          • tovlogos

            John 1:18 — very good verse…Kohlenberger sees that “explaining” as “exegeting” — no one less than God can
            explain Him. Likewise 1 Corinthians 2:10 — “The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.” And it was Jesus who “sent” the Spirit… John 16:7. Who can do that but God Himself? No one less than God can do it (John 3:8). The Spirit and the Son can do what the Father can do — to say they are inferior cannot make sense.
            However, this is a conversation that has been going on for centuries. People are thrown off because of the obedience of the Son to the Father — but they are thinking in the flesh, not the Spirit. One cannot think in terms of the Spirit unless he is indwelled by Him. It takes God to obey God “perfectly”. There are many very interesting passages that discuss the “equality” such as: “Then the Jews demanded of him, “What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days (John 2:18,19).
            There is so much in Scripture.. its endless. So, I don’t try to prove these things the Bible proves them.

          • Matthew 22:37

            I don’t know who Kohlenberger is but I was reading another Non-Trinitarian who pointed out this verse.

            John 17: 3 – And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

            The Trinity is an unknowable mystery. I have read more than one person claim that.

            The Trinity is confusion and confusion doesn’t come from God.

            That is why you go back to research the scriptures. If you don’t you could carry an error forward.

            God’s Word First says:

            The New Testament clearly does not teach the trinitarian doctrine.

            The words of Jesus in the New Testament specifically teach that the Father is a being that is superior to the Son.

            “I can of mine own self do nothing. . . my judgment is just because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” — John 5:30

            “. . . my Father is greater than I.” — John 14:28

            “. . . as my Father hath sent me, even so I send you.” — John 20:21

            “. . . I ascend unto my Father, and your Father: and to my God and your God.” — John 20:17

            In the last verse quoted above, note that the Heavenly Father is said to be the God of Jesus. And Jesus spoke of his Father ( John 17:3) as the “only true God”.

            Research into it more.

            God’s Word First again:

            John 1:1 is frequently cited in support of the doctrine of the Trinity, for our common version says that the “. . . Word was with God, and the Word was God.” But that expression contains a contradiction, for how can the Word be God and be with God at the same time? This contradiction is not found in the Greek text.

            “. . . the Word was with the God and a god was the Word.” — John 1:1 (EMPHATIC DIAGLOTT—interlinear)

            This transaction expressed the thought that the Apostle John intended—that is, our Lord was with “the God” (our Heavenly Father) and that our Lord was “a god” (a mighty, godlike one). The night before he was crucified, Jesus prayed to the Father (John 17:5) that, when resurrected, he might have “. . . the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” And God granted this request that Jesus made that night in Gethsemane, for Paul tells us
            (Php 3:9) that God has “. . . highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name.”

            I and the Father are one. Is not a statement of being. It is a statement of purpose like Jesus makes about his and his disciples purpose in the Lord’s prayer. A oneness in God’s will.

            In many of the epistles greetings are from the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit is never mentioned because he isn’t a person.

            Read the God’s Word First site.

            Paganism and politics forced the Trinity onto Christianity which is a mystery many a bible scholar claims is unknowable but God is not the author of confusion. There was some early political, philosophical and pagan meddling in the Church and it’s doctrines.

            The Old Testament said there is only one God and the Jews still believe that today.

            Jesus sat down at the right hand of the Father. If the Trinity is true shouldn’t he have sat down on God’s throne?

            After everything is placed under Jesus’ feet then everything is turned over to Jesus’ head God the Father.

            The mistaken teachers tell you to take the Trinity on faith without checking because it is confusion that almost nobody understands.

            But didn’t God say to study to be an approved man?

          • Matthew 22:37

            I don’t know who Kohlenberger is but I was reading another Non-Trinitarian who pointed out this verse.

            John 17: 3 – And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

            The Trinity is an unknowable mystery. I have read more than one person claim that.

            The Trinity is confusion and confusion doesn’t come from God.

            That is why you go back to research the scriptures. If you don’t you could carry an error forward.

            God’s Word First says:

            The New Testament clearly does not teach the trinitarian doctrine.

            The words of Jesus in the New Testament specifically teach that the Father is a being that is superior to the Son.

            “I can of mine own self do nothing. . . my judgment is just because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” — John 5:30

            “. . . my Father is greater than I.” — John 14:28

            “. . . as my Father hath sent me, even so I send you.” — John 20:21

            “. . . I ascend unto my Father, and your Father: and to my God and your God.” — John 20:17

            In the last verse quoted above, note that the Heavenly Father is said to be the God of Jesus. And Jesus spoke of his Father ( John 17:3) as the “only true God”.

            Research into it more.

            God’s Word First again:

            John 1:1 is frequently cited in support of the doctrine of the Trinity, for our common version says that the “. . . Word was with God, and the Word was God.” But that expression contains a contradiction, for how can the Word be God and be with God at the same time? This contradiction is not found in the Greek text.

            “. . . the Word was with the God and a god was the Word.” — John 1:1 (EMPHATIC DIAGLOTT—interlinear)

            This transaction expressed the thought that the Apostle John intended—that is, our Lord was with “the God” (our Heavenly Father) and that our Lord was “a god” (a mighty, godlike one). The night before he was crucified, Jesus prayed to the Father (John 17:5) that, when resurrected, he might have “. . . the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” And God granted this request that Jesus made that night in Gethsemane, for Paul tells us
            (Php 3:9) that God has “. . . highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name.”

            I and the Father are one. Is not a statement of being. It is a statement of purpose like Jesus makes about his and his disciples purpose in the Lord’s prayer. A oneness in God’s will.

            In many of the epistles greetings are from the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit is never mentioned because he isn’t a person.

            Read the God’s Word First site.

            Paganism and politics forced the Trinity onto Christianity which is a mystery many a bible scholar claims is unknowable but God is not the author of confusion. There was some early political, philosophical and pagan meddling in the Church and it’s doctrines.

            The Old Testament said there is only one God and the Jews still believe that today.

            Jesus sat down at the right hand of the Father. If the Trinity is true shouldn’t he have sat down on God’s throne?

            After everything is placed under Jesus’ feet then everything is turned over to Jesus’ head God the Father.

            The mistaken teachers tell you to take the Trinity on faith without checking because it is confusion that almost nobody understands.

            But didn’t God say to study to be an approved man?

          • tovlogos

            “The Trinity is an unknowable mystery. I have read more than one person claim that.
            The Trinity is confusion and confusion doesn’t come from God.”

            Well, Matt, I pretty much have said all I can on this subject — I will say one more thing
            based on your quote — it is my conviction that the Trinity is extremely knowable, not only from Scripture,
            but from experience as a result from studying Scripture. If we understand the difference between flesh
            and spirit — that’s the key. As I said earlier, I will never agree with you on this subject, so we may as well agree to disagree;
            and I wish you the best best Matthew.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Well sorry to be a nuisance. I think the Trinity comes from the mind of man and is unbiblical. It could be one reason why some people refuse to believe. The Jews do not accept the Trinity even today.

            The only Jews that I am aware of that accept Jesus as the Messiah are the Messianic Jews and I just read one last night saying the Trinity is a false doctrine. They pointed to Matthew 16:16 and said there is one God and Jesus is the Messiah.

            In generations past some people were killed for not accepting orthodox interpretations. But orthodoxy is not always right and accepting the Trinity does not make one a Christian.

            I believe this passage defines who is a true believer and who is not:

            4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

            2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

            3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

            Why did Severus die? Because Calvin had him killed for not believing in the Trinity and Calvin’s act showed he was the one lacking in love which is essential if you continue reading down the rest of 1 John 4 or read 1 Corinthians 13.

            I appreciate your respectful answer.

            But I would investigate both sides of the questions because this doctrine may be causing a block in the minds of people so they cannot understand and be saved in this lifetime.

            It could be causing the Jews to refuse to see Jesus as the Messiah and it could be causing a block in the more linear minded who need each piece of scripture to fit together perfectly to see God’s plan.

            Here is what one noted expert Trinitarian, Benjamin B. Warfield, is quoted as saying in his work titled, The Biblical Doctrine of the Trinity. He says, “As the doctrine of the Trinity is indiscoverable by reason, so it is incapable of proof from reason. There are no analogies to it in Nature, not even in the spiritual nature of man, who is made in the image of God. In His trinitarian mode of being, God is unique; and, as there is nothing in the universe like Him in this respect, so there is nothing which can help us to comprehend Him.”

            The Bible was given for us to know Him. Not to mark things off as an unsolvable mystery.

            Google and read: “Facts about the Trinity: Pagan Doctrine Revealed?” on the God’s Word First site.

            I don’t think you can offend God by using your reason and seeking to know. But you could upset an orthodox interpretation or two or three, etc.

            You can be active or passive in the whole faith process but I don’t think you can mature spiritually by being mentally passive or lazy. Enlightened spiritual growth requires activity.

            Have a blessed day!

          • tovlogos

            You think I should investigate? How do you know I haven’t? I am not here to show anyone my resume — I’m here to reason…
            If we don’t come to agreement we will have to wait and until the time has come — I can live with that…I am very very comfortable
            with what I have learned…to wait when nothing will be hidden, everything will be revealed — and take what I believe to the kingdom without the slightest hesitation.
            Again, I appreciate our exchange as with every human being — it’s civil and friendly. So, again Blessings.

          • “… many false prophets have gone our into the world…”

            Are you not one of these? You deny what Christians believe is true that God is a Triune God. Yet you claim to be Evangelical. You are NOT an Evangelical Christian of any sorts. Why don’t you study the leading Evangelical Theologians and biblical scholars, if you wish to be an Evangelical? If you spoke about your denial of the Trinity in an Evangelical church, your membership would be taken away. You would be branded a heretic.

            You are too proud to study leading Evangelical authors because you think that you know it all. If you are going down the path of renouncing the gobbledegook of the Trinity, wouldn’t you be better off becoming an agnostic or an atheist?

          • I imagine that while he may be a heretic (as all prots fundamentally are), he is not taken by the capital sin of pride.

            Therefore he has little need to partake in futile satanic rituals like thinking denying God or sneering at Christians will apotheosize you.

          • Maybe it’s you that is prideful! You religious fanatics think that you can attribute all kinds of evil to those who are not religious fanatics. Just maybe, the Catholic Church or your interpretation of it is wrong.

          • The capital sin of pride is believing that you have usurped Divine Will by wishful thinking.

            That is not something you can project easily as you alone show signs of it.

          • Well, are you not pride par excellence?

          • despair is the mortal sin born of pride that is most easily shown when you think projecting will absolve you.

          • You need to visit a psychiatrist and get your mental health assessed.

          • The soviets also accused their political enemies of insanity to censor them. One wonders where you learned it.

          • Well, most Conservative Evangelicals believe that the Roman Catholic Church is Satan inspired. They claim that the Roman Catholic Church is full of heresy and many (most?) of its members are going to hell. They also believe that many of the rituals of the Catholic Church are demon inspired.

          • And this desperate attempt of yours to be subversive fails when you are so obvious about it.

            I was talking about you and him, and why you are not the same.

            Firstly, while he may be a heretic, he clearly does not have the capital sin of pride as you do. Therefore there is no need to become an “atheist” who thinks denying God acts as some saranic ritual where it will lead you to usurp God.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Here is the most revealing verse of all.

            Matthew 16:16, Berean Study Bible

            15“But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?”

            16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

            17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.

            Jesus identity was revealed to Peter by the Father.

            The above verse is not confusing or debatable like the Trinity is but a clear statement of his identity.

            I located this on auburn dot edu’s “The Trinity – Fact or Fiction?” and am checking all the verses:

            Here are 60 Bible texts which prove conclusively that Jesus was NOT GOD, but RATHER the SON of God. [If in fact He WAS God, (as trinitarians would want us to believe), He could not have really died; and the act of paying the Ransom would merely have been a hoax!]
            Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16; 17:5; 27:54
            Mark 5:7; 15:39
            Luke 1:32; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22
            John 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 6:40; 6:69; 8:42; 10:15; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-26
            Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20
            Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:13; 8:29-32
            1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28
            2 Corinthians 1:19
            Galatians 4:4
            Colossians 1:13
            1 Thessalonians 1:10
            Hebrews 1:2; 4:14; 5:8; 7:3; 11:17
            2 Peter 1:17
            1 John 1:3; 1:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:6; 5:11-12
            2 John 1:9
            Revelation 2:8

            Under section VIII. The Son of God Became the Son of Man So that We, the Sons of Man, May Become the Sons of God

          • Myles

            A large number of people have the delusion that they see or have seen your imaginary god. are they more insane than your average religious freak?

          • Thanks for clarifying! I wasn’t sure which of her posts you were referring to.

        • Matthew 22:37

          I read the scriptures to learn from God and to come into agreement with Him. Not necessarily agreement with orthodoxy because tradition can be riddled with man made errors and no one should be able to force you to give up thinking for yourself to accept their error as the Gospel truth if it is wrong.

          Your mind is God given and it is better to honor God by using your mind to understand Him than to allow a fear of man and their cries of heresy to control you.

          There could be many stages to pass through in the building up of your faith and relationship with God
          and some people are a guide. They have no right to control you or force their thinking on you. Doing that is a violation of another person’s personhood but you see that happening on this blog all the time with certain unbelievers insisting on having their way.

          But this is an evangelical blog. As such it is devoted to studying God’s Word to learn His will and His way.

          Too bad so few people will use their own mind to establish God’s truth for themselves. Too many lazy spoonfeds who want to say everything is set but is it? That includes believers and unbelievers. Someone else did all the thinking and they accepted those propositions without reviewing them themselves.

          Try understanding and proving to yourself what you believe and why. That is truth seeking.

          How can you be a truth seeker by allowing others and their motives to control your own personal search?

          People fight on this blog constantly because a lot of people are boundary violators trying to control other people’s thought processes instead of respecting their personhood like God does.

          I come over here to check for Christian comments and to fellowship with Christians but all there are are unbelieving trolls clogging the board.

          They deliberately shut God out of their consciences and hearts and want to force Christians to do the same or deceive them into doing it. Maybe not all of them but some of them.

          Read what Madalyn Murray O’Hair’s’s son says about her. She tried to control the thought lives of her whole family to push God away from them permanently. She was almost successful but one of her sons got away from her and converted.

          She and most of the rest of her family were murdered because she thought she could control an ex-convict and hired him to work for her at American Atheists magazine but he ended up abducting her and several family members and murdering them.

          But we’re not suppose to point out the insanity of unbelievers’ belief systems. Just sit around and take their trolling. Letting flakes like Richard Dawkins brand us as delusional. But Dawkins hates priests language. He said so himself in one of his books so he never truly tried to learn God’s perspective. It never stopped him from practicing pseudo psychology without a license though and calling believers delusional.

          It should be obvious. Dawkins has no psychiatric credential and shouldn’t even venture such a severe opinion against Christians. He’s an evolutionary biologist who hasn’t the self control to shut up on religion and is an atheist one moment then an agnostic the next so there’s not much certainty in his head about things.

          Peace is related to security and security is related to certainty.

          God is the bedrock of peace in an uncertain world but these trolls want to come over and destabilize people until they are as insensitive and crazy as they are.

          Probably why Jesus said not to cast your pearls before swine. They will attack you with their instability.

          And just because the glory rests on an unbeliever when they attack is no excuse for allowing God to get blasphemed.

          They need to close this comments section down and stop the blasphemy from going on.

          You don’t debate or discuss with people who don’t value and respect your personhood. Nor do you let them get the upperhand. You tell the truth every time whether they like it or not.
          Are you going to flatter someone who was so out of his mind that he could not ascertain what God is saying in the scriptures or refused to?

          Perspective is everything when reading the Bible and God does not give us a spirit of fear but a spirit of power and love and a sound mind.

          I have spoke to around 400 atheists and not once did any one of them cause me to doubt.

          I would say that is a testament to the supernatural power of God given faith but these unbelievers have not had such an experience so they couldn’t possibly relate to it. Believe me I have been insulted, mocked, had my email broken into by them and had them make death threats towards me but I am still here and not hiding underground am I?

          But I will obey Christ now and no longer talking to the determined to be unenlightened who like to attack believers. Not any more. They can seek for themselves if they come to their senses.

          Everyone has a will and can decide who or what to dedicate himself to.

          I dedicated myself to Christ a long time ago and nobody has the right to try to force or coerce my will through debate, insults, mockery or anything else. Nobody. I am not taking crap from people God calls blind without pointing out that according to Him they are blind.

          If you can’t learn God’s perspective then you are spiritually blind and there are degrees to this enlightenment.

          I am not going back and losing or compromising my spiritual enlightenment for anyone, am I?

          We Christians that exist and depend on God and follow His Word are a type of evidence and reality in this world and some other person attempting to override my reality doesn’t deny the reality of my existence or my own reality.

          What could be more real than self dedication to God and His will and His way?

          What could be more meaningful and self validating to a person than that?

          Sin tries to invalidate people by destroying God’s image in them.

          Have a blessed day in this crazy world where many people would like to erase God and invalidate Christians who are busy validating God’s reality experientially through their own lives, thought processes, actions, words and deeds.

          True Christians are the experts. Nobody else tried to validate God.

          Thanks for reading.

          • You need to breathe! Breathe in slowly! Breathe out slowly! Then you will find peace. No bible can do this for you. You do know that barbaric, violent and bloodthirsty savages wrote many parts of the bible and created god in their own likeness, don’t you? So, if God exists (a very big if) then he cannot be the god of the whole bible, otherwise aren’t you in danger of worshipping a bloodthirsty savage yourself, or are you one of those Evangelicals who cherry picks the good verses in the bible for yourself, ignoring the texts of terror?

          • So novelty like silly breathing exercises will give “peace,” but not Absolute Truth?

            The Old Testament was written by the Prophets of the Old Covenant and the New Testament was written by the last Prophets of the Old Covenant and the first Bishops of the Church (Apostles).

            It was not written by “savages,” but actual pagans like you do think that you can accuse your enemies of what you alone are guilty of.

            Man is Made in the Image of God. That you are utterly taken by the capital sin of pride, and therefore believe that you have usurped Divine Will, does not mean that you are absolved from your evil by pretending your enemies are guilty of what you alone are guilty of.

            That type of projection spoken about above is the par excellence example of despair, which is mortally sinful.

            It is a strange game you play. you believe you have usurped God, and therefore have made yourself Divine. Then you realize you are not Divine, and so try to project onto God your own evil qualities. Then you try to accuse Christians of trying “make God in our image” as if to absolve yourself of your pride by the projection of despair.

            It is absurd, sub rational, and damns you outright. Are you so reprobate that you cannot see what you are doing?

          • Which planet are you from?

          • All men are born on this earth.

          • But do you come from outer space? Aren’t you the one who is “absurd, sub rational, and damns you outright.”? Isn’t it you who is projecting despair? You exhibit no compassion towards those with whom you disagree and are a disgrace to a compassionate and caring Christianity.

          • I have no idea what lead you to believe that “I know you are but what am I” is an argument, you have been trying it for three messages now.

            In fact you double down on it by doing it twice in this same message.

            Once more, if I hated you, I would encourage ou just like your demons are. Instead I am hurting you to wake you up. Seems to be working as you are clearly restless at your situation.

          • Myles

            Which version of which bible, containing which books, is the one that inspires you?

          • Matthew 22:37

            I do not limit myself to one but have been reading that the New American Standard Bible may be the most accurate.

            Of course, if you read any Bible seeming to cite eternal torment take that passage against the same passage in a Young’s Literal Translation and note the word change. You can also do this with a few other literal translations like Rotherham’s etc.

            The Bible can be tricky. The Bible sometimes say perfect when it means mature, etc.

            For some reason early in Christianity someone changed gehenna, sheol and tartarus/hades which all mean different things to “hell”.

            That’s why I always tell people to read John Wesley Hanson’s Aion-Aionios. It was the very first thing I ever read in my life that was able to explain from a linguistic expert’s opinion why aion was not eternity.

            People can get interpretation and word meaning backwards. Some people are using their interpretation to control word meaning which is wrong.

            Words have to have set meanings or language become unintelligible.

          • Myles

            I hope that version of that murderous stupidity enables you to forget, at least for a while, what horrors you and your death-cult are inflicting on humanity.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Why you sound like pud. Are you him?

            I am putting you on block for trolling.

            I just don’t read the insults of people determined to be unenlightened any more. Not on religion.

            Your lack of faith and irreverence makes me refuse to take you seriously.

            I guess we will all know beyond a shadow of a doubt when we die.

            In the meantime I intend to enjoy myself away from irreverent trolls who never research anything but try to give theists verbal blackeyes.

            Just obeyin’ Jesus.

            Bye.

          • Myles

            When we die, we are dead and we know nothing more. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

          • Myles

            Who or what is “pud”?

          • Joshua Sonofnone

            Pud is an Atheist who frequently dialogues with Christians on Patheos. I am surprised you have not encountered him. He and I frequently disagree and I suspect we will continue to do so – he needs Christ. I continue to pray for Pud. By the way, we Christians are not a death cult. We are a people who believe that God promises life after dealt to those who trust in Christ, something He and we would like everyone to have through faith in Christ.

          • Myles

            When you worship a dead man on a stick and declare that your real life only begins after you die: DEATH-CULT.

          • Jack Wellman

            Yes, I believe the NASB is the best for both the Old and New Testaments. It seems to have the best use of the original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic words, and accuracy is what I crave in Scripture.

          • You’re a nutty fruitcake!

          • Matthew 22:37

            This is why I rarely talk to atheists on religion. Why subject myself to bad mannered people.

            You’re not saner than God. God loves His creation and sent Jesus to demonstrate His love towards the world but all you want to do is tear that love down.

            A loveless world is a world of social savagery and poor interpersonal boundary keeping.

            You have been moralizing to me while you yourself lack self control.

            This is what you behave like when you refuse to follow the good interpersonal boundaries set by God.

            You listened to everyone but God and they destabilized you.

            Faith is by hearing it says in Romans 10.

            You let a bunch of second rate thinkers teach you to surrender your mind to their thinking instead of thinking for yourself.

            I don’t need science to make a moral decision for me. I can recognize who Jesus is using my own mind undistorted by other people’s mental errors.

            You shouldn’t moralize to others. You have too much work to do on yourself.

            Have a blessed day and don’t put too much stock in lightweight thinkers like you seem to do. God is the heavyweight thinker in this universe and His thinking can actually shape people who submit to Him for the better.

            He really is the Master.

            Repent and surrender!

            Now you will be back on block because I am limiting the amount of ranting and raving that I am exposed to.

            You aren’t my judge. You thought you could peer pressure me into defecting from God with hate speech?

            You don’t think so clearly. Please ask God for an attitude adjustment so you can think more clearly and stop disrespecting people.

          • What kind of nonsense it this? You are the one who rants and raves about your own subjective feelings about you god.

  • Myles

    What does that mean: HOLY? Is it just another religious screed like SIN created to help keep the collection plates full?

  • Marcus

    Love one another, as I have loved you. God is love and he who dwells in God lives in love and God dwells in him.

    Just seems to me that an y discussion of God’s holiness must taken I to account that it is a holiness of love, read the Good Shepherd looking out for his sheep , the woman (God) who searches for the lost coin, or the Father of the Prodigal Son. It is the holiness of the Love articulated in Paul’s hymn to Love in I Corinthians 13.

    God’s holiness..at least the God of the Christian gospel.. cannot be defined merely in terms of moral rectitude.