Baptized In Prison

Baptized In Prison June 24, 2019

What’s it like being baptized in prison? Why are so many getting baptized?

Set Free

Once again, I had the great joy this year of baptizing several men in a state prison. Where they had been imprisoned by the state, they have been set free by the Son. Jesus said that whoever sins is enslaved by sin, but He came to set them free. Concerning those enslaved by sin, Jesus said, “The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever” (John 8:35), so Jesus’ point is, “if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed” (John 8:36). They can be freed, regardless of where they are. What sets them free…including these prisoners who have repented and trusted in Christ? The Lord said that “you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” (John 8:32). The truth includes acknowledging our sinful state before a holy God (Rom 3:10-12); 23). The truth that we must repent and believe the gospel, as Jesus demanded (Mark 1:15), but for many of these men, they had to be broken or humbled by extreme circumstances before they saw their need for Christ, but God could not fix what was first not broken. They have discovered for themselves, and not from any human, that “The LORD is near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit” (Psalm 34:18). When they drew near to God, He drew near to them. After their birth from above (John 3:3-7), they naturally wanted to be baptized, and were! They were set free and are now free to enter the kingdom.

“you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” (John 8:32).

The Veil

I once told our local police chief that, “You arrest them, we set them free,” but the truth is, salvation is fully a work of God, however, God can use us as a means to save, but it is not possible that we can save anyone by ourselves. That is a sovereign act of God (Eph 2:1-5). What’s interesting is these men are freer than many of those out in the world. The Apostle Paul says that “even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing” (2 Cor 4:3), because “In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God” (2 Cor 4:4). Christians must never think they are better than others. They are not! They are only better off in regards to their relationship with God. We cannot ever boast on why God chose us, or think, “God had a good reason to save me.” It is only by His love, not ours, that we were saved (Rom 5:7-8), so there is no reason to brag about it (1 Cor 4:7). Only God can change their heart to whichever way He pleases (Prov 21:1). It wasn’t Paul’s apologetics or powerful persuasion that made Lydia believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, but “The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul” (Acts 16:14). Paul didn’t convert Lydia. God did, but God did use Paul as a means to do so, and He can use you too!

Unto Christ

The only reason any ministries exist is for the glory of God. All things are unto Him (Psalm 115:1), but the things we do for others are in fact, done to Him. Jesus said, “For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me” (Matt 25:35-36). We know that God has placed and will appoint good works for us to do in this life (Eph 2:10), but the question is, will we do them when we opportunity meets us? The saved who did these things didn’t even realize all that they had done, so they ask Him, “Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you” (Matt 25:37-39). They were simply doing what Christ commanded them to do, so they weren’t keeping track of their good works. They did not let the left hand know what the right hand was doing (Matt 6:3), so Jesus tells them, “Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me” (Matt 25:40). It’s easy to serve others today because of the multiple numbers of charities, but in our local nursing home, less than half of the residents ever receive a visitor, although this is what James calls “pure and undefiled religion before God” (James 1:27). I must admit, my first trip into a state prison to preach to almost 100 men and staff was not easy, but once I was inside, I felt real peace about things. I knew this was meant to be, but God opened the door that I could not open. He alone can open doors to bring in the gospel, even if it’s behind prison walls. You cannot put bars around the gospel. His Word cannot be contained. It is His will to do so, so no one and nothing can stop it.

Conclusion

Several men were baptized in prison this year…maybe more will be next year, but sometimes, prison baptizes them; or their experience plunges them into the depths of despair, and the only way to look is up, but that’s exactly where they need to look (as I did). Jesus said, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel” (Mark 1:15), but that time is running out. That’s why today is the best of days to put your trust in Christ. Waiting only serves to harden the heart (2 Cor 6:2), so come to Him today and you can be saved…and then get baptized! Hopefully, not in prison…but even there, it’s amazing what God is doing. I’m thankful I’m along for the ride.

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is an ordained elder of the Brethren Church and a Pastor and Prison Minister in the State of Kansas, but also a writer at Christian Quotes and What Christians Want to Know which address questions about the Bible. He also plants ministries like nursing home ministries, Outreach for the poor, and other evangelistic activities, and check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • Carlos Santiago

    Praise God for His loving kindness and mercy.

    • Jack Wellman

      So true. All glory to Him (Psalm 115:1).

      • pud

        BS. “gods” do not “need” anything let alone “glory” you fool

    • Susan Jane Elohim

      Hi Carlos I hope you got my post on OneNewsNow. They seem to be shadow posting me. Someone thinks they have the right to control the free flow of information on this disqus.

      • Carlos Santiago

        Keep up the Good work!

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          Did you get the post?

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          Thanks Carlos. I suspect Christians make the best life coaches because they have the humility to key in on the best messages from God.

          • Humility? If this is true, then you wouldn’t make a good life coach!

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          If you know you are loved by God, you learn to stop letting fear control you and you have humility isn’t that the prescription for a saner person?

          But we have a lot of bad role models down here on Earth. Humans are intelligent but they aren’t as intelligent as some of them think they are.

          We’re very good at building false idols in our own imaginations then we realize we are. Sometimes those idols are to ourselves. Sometimes the world transfers idols to us. If you build an idol then how can God correct you. A false idol blocks communication from God.

          There are a lot of people sitting in pews and out in the world that are blocking God with false idols. Even some believers in organized religion.

          Why do we need “organized” religion?

          People used to know the person plus God was enough against the world. God demonstrated it all over the Bible. Remember the biblical account of Gideon.

          The Bible is the book of God’s life changing reality so why are the people with false idols busy propping up their false idols alleging the Bible is a fairy tale.

          If you never committed yourself to God then you would never have passed any of His tests to know whether what you are alleging is true or false would you?

          Fear and temptation are big enemies for people. Who will teach you on those subjects better than God?

          People used to know that people who refuse to be afraid and refuse to be bribed, are self sacrificing and are peacemakers are the real heroes in this world so why do people refuse to learn from the ultimate heroic role model which is Jesus Christ. He promises people a whole new nature. Are you suppose to constantly consult the example of people who failed to obey God because they refused to put Him first?

          God’s the coach. You can’t be on God’s team and ignore Him. He has His standards. That’s why disciples lead by example. They’re just imitating Jesus in doing that but people are slower students than Jesus was. Jesus had a full measure of the Spirit. We have an earnest deposit but can deposits increase?

          God has been life coaching this world through evangelism for a really long time now but it seems people are easily distracted. Fear, temptation and the human weakness of sin including pride can have a strange affect on people so what’s wrong in God pointing all this out so He can forgive us and start us all over?

          If you ask me too many Christians use the word like it’s for magical thinking. But that word was given so we can explain things. Of course, if you won’t submit to God but keep mentally throwing up obstacles of your own in conjunction with what you learned from the world and other people then didn’t you create a bar to enlightenment in yourself?

          Why would you prejudge God negativistically then go looking for confirmation of your own negative judgment against God with Satan still around. You couldn’t give God a break and assume He knows something you don’t. But you can feed your false assumptions inciting rebellion against God like it’s the truth. People are not straight. There are quite a few sketchy people in this world. People all suffer from confirmation bias and some people let their fears or temptations control them so they refuse to listen to God. There could be a number of reasons for that.

          We do have a sin nature or we would all be fearless, confident that we were loved and humble enough to do acts of peacemaking and charity to honor God but we don’t. Instead we argue, criticize, complain, faultfind, sow seeds of war…Anything to get our own way like two year olds. People don’t even know that their rights stop where other people’s begin any more but then most really never knew that. They’re too busy making their circumstantial arguments that self permits them to get away with things.

          Self control and balance is not that easy to achieve. That’s why people need life coaching.

          God has been life coaching this world for a long time now but the people who never submitted to His coaching never acknowledge that fact….all they do is depreciate the experience of disciples today. Strange isn’t it?

          People used to know knowledge comes from experience and you get better at being somebody by doing something.

          A mailman is a mailman because he delivers mail.

          A painter is a painter because he paints.

          Etc.

          A child of God is a child of God because he performs God’s will.

          But not that many people stop to put the big picture together. But they like their routines. I even know a few Christians who never bothered to really know all this Christian stuff because that’s why they had a pastor. They interviewed churches picking them for their programs. Didn’t seem to really know God’s word enough to evangelize anybody. Just go to church every Sunday and think that’s enough. They tithe. But tithing is Old Covenant and the Old Covenant is obsolete it says so in Hebrews so why are modern day Christian believers acting like ancient Israelites by tithing?

          God doesn’t ask believers for a tithe any more He asks for something else and He says He likes a cheerful giver.

          Did the OT mention cheerful giving? I don’t recall but I don’t think so because cheerfulness requires a new nature.

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          A good one to read is 7 Signs You Are A Counterfeit Christian by Frank Powell. A true Christian is one inwardly. I think he inspects himself to see if he is in the faith. Jesus said if you judge yourself you escape the judgment.

          I lost count of the unbelievers who said which religion is right trying to take my faith from me when they could never spot counterfeit religion or counterfeit Christianity themselves.

          I think if you abide in Jesus you can come out of counterfeit teachings now because if you become sufficiently mature in Jesus then you start to see that a lot has gone wrong in the church and really isn’t the starting point with you? You can’t always tell who is a counterfeit from who is just immature in Jesus but you do know yourself. It is also difficult to tell who is the real Christian in politics, too because people’s beliefs and issues shift over time.

          But focus on who Jesus is. You will get things straight because Jesus is God’s standard.

          Jesus used to sort the counterfeit spiritually people from the real spiritual people and throw the counterfeits out just like you draw a pen through a counterfeit bill today.

          Just because some people cannot spot a real Christian from a counterfeit ones doesn’t mean genuine Christians don’t exist because I have met them and am sure you have, too.

          Doing apologetics can make it hard for a person to spot a genuine from a real Christian because apologetics borrows too much from Catholic apologists and Catholicism is counterfeit Christianity just like Mormonism and Jehovahs Witness is.

          Really if you can spot a genuine from a fake why should an unbelievers inability to do that take precedence over another person’s expertise? That is backwards thinking.

          The more time you spend in the Bible particularly the New Testament the more you will know God’s nature because a change occurred. It even affected the law because Jesus changed the law to loving ones enemies. The Hebrews were not told that in the Old Testament because Jesus had not come yet and that Messianic line did need protecting so he could fulfill the scriptures. The Messianic line was almost wiped out more than once. If that happened nobody can be saved unless God started over and why should God have to start over? He’s God so He can do what He wants to do whatever some sinner holding a pet grudge or a false idol thinks about Him.

          And the priesthood transferred from the Levites to Judah. It went from being a priesthood to a royal priesthood. A complete change in covenant and administrations

          So why do so many people keep reverting to the Old Testament way of thinking. The OT is mostly useful for prophecy, showing divinity and showing how sinful people are. God translated His people into the kingdom of God so why do we keep returning and acting like we are members of the old world?

          • Aren’t you one of the ‘counterfeit’ Christians? You reject the orthodox Christian view of the Trinity held not only by Catholics, but also by the eastern Orthodox churches and Protestant Evangelicals and even some liberal Christians.

            Don’t you also reject the orthodox view of ‘hell’?

            So if Jesus can pick out counterfeits like you claim, then you’re a goner! Won’t you end up in the ‘lake of Fire’ along with your pal, Satan?

  • Susan Jane Elohim

    From John Wesley’s Sermon on the Repentance of Believers:

    Thus it is, that in the children of God, repentance and faith exactly answer each other. By repentance we feel the sin remaining in our hearts, and cleaving to our words and actions: by faith, we receive the power of God in Christ, purifying our hearts, and cleansing our hands. By repentance, we are still sensible that we deserve punishment for all our tempers, and words, and actions: by faith, we are conscious that our Advocate with the Father is continually pleading for us, and thereby continually turning aside all condemnation and punishment from us. By repentance we have an abiding conviction that there is no help in us: by faith we receive not only mercy, “but grace to help in” every “time of need. Repentance disclaims the very possibility of any other help; faith accepts all the help we stand in need of, from him that hath all power in heaven and earth. Repentance says, “Without him I can do nothing:” Faith says, “I can do all things through Christ strengthening me.” Through him I can not only overcome, but expel, all the enemies of my soul. Through him I can “love the Lord my God with all my heart, mind, soul, and strength;” yea, and “walk in holiness and righteousness before him all the days of my life.”

    • Jack Wellman

      Amen. No one can turn from God until they turn from sin, but even here, God graciously grants repentance (Acts 5:31,Acts 11:18,2 Timothy 2:25).

    • Many Fundamentalist pastors are now in prison for sex crimes and for embezzlement. See http://brucegerencser.net/.

      • Wolf of Odin

        They should be hanged.

    • pud

      A religious lunatic is not your best choice to quote. This is just one long diatribe of vacuous claims by a nut case.

  • Maltnothops

    It isn’t beyond the realm of possibility that some inmates agree to be baptized because they believe — maybe with good reason — that parole boards will be favorably impressed. Some members of our society appear to believe that religious faith (well, certain religions) is correlated with pro-social behavior.

    I wonder if the author would baptize an inmate if he thought the inmate was mostly interested in enhancing the odds of being paroled.

    • Susan Jane Elohim

      Why bother speculating on other people’s motives.

      Examine your own.

      Go learn all the LOGICAL FALLACIES atheists make:

      argumentum ad antiquiatem (the argument to antiquity or tradition

      argument ad hominem (argument directed at the person)

      argumentem ad ignorantiam (argument to ignorance)

      argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of disgust; i.e. by repetition)

      argumentum ad populum (argument or appeal to the public)

      begging the question i.e. when what you are trying to prove is already assumed

      Dicto simpliciter (sweeping generalization)

      Post hoc ergo propter hoc

      Naturalistic fallacy

      Non sequitur

      One sided assessment

      Red herring

      Slippery slope

      Straw man

      Tu quoque

      Chronological snobbery

      Category Error

      Fallacy of Guilt by Association

      Burden of Proof error

      Appeal to Authority

      No True Scotsmen

      And read “Signs of A Narcissist” on healthprep dot com and ask yourself if so many atheists commit these logical fallacies from narcissism they learned from the egocentric thinking of other narcissistic atheists reinforcing their own innate narcissistic tendencies.

      Why do atheists think so sloppy? Is it their fragile egos they have to keep shoring up by pillorying other people’s beliefs?

      Please learn to examine yourself for why you think so sloppy and why it is acceptable to make all these logical fallacies all over the internet and subject others to them.

      Atheists are peddling these fallacies like they have a huge blindspot to their own inadequacies and errors in logic.

      Why do you have the right to attack anybody when you can’t even admit to your own sins humbly.

      I hope you learn to examine your own inner reality before continuing to pick apart other people’s.

      You can offer none of the things that God does in their place.

      Why would I want to be a narcissist or hold their beliefs?

      It’s not even like my own personality.

      Why trade realism and simple acceptance of my own imperfection for an atheist’s narcissism?

      See what’s behind all the bad reasoning of these debates people like to provoke.

      • Maltnothops

        “Why bother speculating on other people’s motives.”

        Did you mean to direct this comment to the blog’s author? See the second sentence of the OP: “Why are so many getting baptized?” He asked a question. I gave one possible answer.

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          He gave the answer to his own question.

          You used it as a pretext to question other people’s motives to cast aspersions.

          He was there. You weren’t and he does this professionally.

          So maybe somebody will buy your manipulation. I won’t.

          God Bless you anyway.

          You really ought to look into all the false personas on the Net. A lot of people are careless about exposing others to logical fallacies on the Net.

          I have been reading these fallacies masquerading as truth for years.

          • Maltnothops

            He gave “an” answer to his question. I raised the possibility of a different answer. Are you suggesting that it is impossible for someone to be less than completely honest when they believe they might have something to gain? That seems to be your argument.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Yeah, you speculated as if it was fact.

            I must break the arguing habit. It’s thought provoking but a minefield clouded with ungodly biases from the world and poor logic.

            Time to take off. I don’t want to engage negative thinking any more. Why point out flawed thinking all the time. I can’t make other people’s negative thinking patterns stop.

            The human mind is a powerful God given tool and one must learn how to master his own mind and use it appropriately.

            Who teaches that better than God?

            I prefer godly thoughts to negative worldly thinking.

            Probably why God coaches His people to hide His thoughts as conveyed by His Word in their hearts.

            The Word is a seed and that seed will produce something depending on how you take care of it.

            A mind is a terrible thing to waste and a spiritual mind and destiny even worst.

            In debates some people are trying to dominate and control your thinking. I don’t know what satisfaction they get from this. I cannot relate to it.

            Better to reason along with God and let Him develop a higher mind in you His way. Why leave the Fruit of the Spirit on the table for a bunch of logical fallacies coming from the mind of man?

            Better to have a new nature to replace the old defective one as much as possible.

          • Maltnothops

            “[Y]ou speculated as if it was fact.”

            Here, I’ll put the hedging language in boldface for you.

            “It isn’t beyond the realm of possibility that some inmates agree to be baptized because they believe maybe with good reason — that parole boards will be favorably impressed. Some members of our society appear to believe that religious faith (well, certain religions) is correlated with pro-social behavior.”

            Six instances of hedge language.

            You could help me out. How about if you reword what I wrote so it doesn’t sound as if I’m making it sound factual.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Read up on Chuck Colson’s Prison Fellowship.

            They are reducing the repeat crime rate by helping new convert prisoners break cycles of behavior and replacing them with new ones.

          • Maltnothops

            How does that support your implicit argument that it is not even possible for a single inmate to be baptized because they believe it might help them get paroled?

            Please help me reword my initial comment so it sounds more tentative and less declarative.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            I am not implying anything. It is too early to tell who’s conversion is true and who’s isn’t.

          • Maltnothops

            Ah, so I’ve converted you to my view that it is possible that some inmate baptisms just might not be entirely sincere. Maybe they are; maybe they aren’t.

            What did I say that you found so persuasive?

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            You didn’t persuade me. i just saw no reason to attribute a negative motive to people you did not meet. Though one could exist.

            I am aware of what the Bible says on conversions and of human behavior, that’s all.

            The retention rate of atheists raised by atheists is lower than the theist retention rate according to the Pew Research forum.

          • Maltnothops

            I didn’t attribute a negative emotion to anyone. I said it was possible for people to be less than completely honest. You disagreed until I persuaded you otherwise. No need to lie about it.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            I didn’t know you were arguing.

            I eschew arguing these days. I’ll put you on block so you can find someone else to argue with.

            It’s purposeless to argue with someone who’s mind is made up.

            Calling someone a liar is ad hominem and ad hominem is a logical fallacy.

            Have fun! Cya.

          • Maltnothops

            “Calling someone a liar is ad hominem”

            No, you’re mistaken there. An ad hom is a logical fallacy if and only if it is used in lieu of arguing against a position. As you yourself said, I made an argument. That you were unable to recognize it as an argument does not mean it was not an argument. You came around to my position after I repeated and restated it several times. In other words, you were persuaded. I’m glad I was able to help you clear up your illogic.

          • pud

            You don’t and never have presented ANY “arguments” You assert and claim and quote your stupid book. You know nothing and don’t care to.

          • “Calling someone a liar is ad hominem and ad hominem is a logical fallacy.”

            Well it’s not a logical fallacy if it is simply a true statement. If someone tells lies (falsehoods) are they not a liar? This is not ad hominin. On the other hand, if calling someone a liar if a false statement (i.e. they told the truth), then to accuse them of being a liar would be ad hominem.

          • tovlogos

            Hi Susan — God bless you — as a brother in the Lord I would say — you are a good student in Him;
            but it will be of great benefit to you if you saw the spiritual reality underpinning this sort of spiritually futile exchange
            which is not witnessing the Gospel. You do a very good job witnessing the word of God, stay with it.
            If Jesus does not open his heart and give him ears to hear, you will never win him over…John 6:44 — and compare
            Luke 24:31-32, it was only when Jesus opened their eyes that they were able to see. You have considerable talent
            (see the parable of the Talents…Matt. 25) don’t be ‘tempted to squander it — it degrades into pride. So, God bless, see you later.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Don’t worry. God uses it all.

            Google “The Lake of Fire”, Part III by L. Ray Smith.

          • Yes! You’ll be in the ‘lake of fire’, will you not? You need to join the Christian atheists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheists.

          • Rational Human

            Word salad, tossed with incoherence and a side of ignorance.

          • Maltnothops

            “You used it as a pretext to question other people’s motives to cast aspersions.”

            You appear to be speculating about my motives.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Why do atheists deliberately complicate things with arguments?

            When God simplifies things through revelation.

            Arguing is a logic minefield.

            Atheism proves nothing. It’s a big smoke screen of questions designed to obfuscate and twist the truth.

            Have a great day!

          • Rational Human

            “Why do atheists deliberately complicate things with arguments?

            When God simplifies things through revelation.”

            That is just…priceless. Arguments are complicated. Revelation is so simple, that’s why no person’s revelation agreed with another person’s. “Revelation” is how you end up with 50,000 different Christian denominations, all “revealed” as truth.

          • Don’t you mean that you have been spreading Fundamentalist fallacies “masquerading as truth for years”?

      • Don’t you mean that these are the fallacies you and other Fundamentalist Christians make? These are not usually made by atheists.

      • Rational Human

        Wow, your copy and paste skills are top notch, but you fail to give any examples or evidence for any atheists anywhere employing any of these logical fallacies that you mindlessly copied from a web page. Do you even understand logic or logical fallacies? Have you ever heard the term “projection” ? You should look it up.

        • No! She doesn’t understand logic at all.

    • jeff q

      Maltnothops, you ask a logical question that someone unfamiliar with parole boards might ask. I am involved in prison ministry in California, and I can assure you that California parole boards are not influenced at all by an inmate’s profession of faith in Christ or Christian baptism. Parole board members are not naive, believe me they are painfully aware of the deceptive capabilities of the criminal mind. I have been asked by several inmates to write a letter to the parole board on their behalf. The only inmates I have written a letter for are men whose lives consistently authenticate their profession by their humility, service to any inmate at any opportunity, ardent desire to follow Jesus, and not least, the way they model their faith in heartbreaking trials (such as the death of a loved one, being turned down for parole, or being served with divorce papers).

      I have the privilege of teaching seminary classes in prison. I wish you could meet my students and hear their stories of how Jesus sustained them by His presence and through the counsel, encouragement and prayer of their colleagues. I know there are many fake Christians in prison, but I’m happy to report that there is an increasing number of men and women who daily put up with the jeers, taunts and threats of harm or death and continue to humbly serve their fellow inmates with the love of God with no thought of impressing the parole board.

      • Maltnothops

        Whether or not parole boards are influenced by a profession of faith isn’t the issue. The issue is whether or not inmates believe that parole boards might be influenced.

        You might be aware that a member of a board in a Florida (not a parole board) that decided whether or not a released felon would be allowed to vote routinely asked former inmates if they attended church.

      • Susan Jane Elohim

        Just realize you are up against narcissistic xenophobia when dialoging with someone who is in a fight against God’s existence. These people do not respect interpersonal boundaries. Their mental condition won’t allow them to admit they are wrong so they invent euphemisms like “conversational intolerance” like Sam Harris did to allow the negative side of their personality to express itself at theists expense.

        Now certain blogs are more hostile than the Wild West.

        The internet increases the disnihibition effect.

        If you’re an atheist regularly launching personal attacks on Christians in attempts to deconvert them then you are a bully trying to control other people’s thinking. Narcissism contains such bully types.
        Christians should just avoid all the toxics because usually the toxic militant atheists will not admit they are wrong and correct their attitudes.

        Most Christians don’t understand what is going on well enough to put these people in their place because social boundary violation is not something any normal human being should tolerate.

        Is a human being a puppet of another malevolent human beings attempts to control them and their thinking?

        So take back your mind, avoid the unreasonable and look for reasonable less narcissistic people to appeal to.

        You don’t give attention to people throwing tantrums. It only fuels the tantrums and rationality has trouble asserting itself when a narcissist is getting his supply.

        Leave them to isolation. Maybe they will learn self reflection when their tantrum throwing does not garner any attention.

        Why would a Christian give up personal peace for someone who refuses to stop throwing internet tantrums they disguise as arguments?

        Stop walking on eggshells and block-ignore them.

        Have a blessed day. Christians are reasonable and we don’t have to go around proving it all the time to people in deep self denial of our reasonableness. That is insanity and puppetry.

        Leave the puppetmaster wannabes to themselves.

  • Wolf of Odin

    Pathetic.

  • pud

    Your gibberish and ridiculous nonsense knows no downside. Next to the residents of Kansas, the prison population is the lowest IQ of any group. Destitute, addicts, groundless broken people who you and your vile cult take advantage of by offering more absurd false hope. Pathetic and disgusting.

  • pud

    There are currently 197 atheists in federal prison out of 191,322 total prisoners. If you do the math, that’s 0.10%. That is a ridiculously low number compared to the “religious” in prison….FACTS…they burn don’t they jack? You and your kind are predators. You prey on the weak, downtrodden, gullible, young, ignorant and the credulous. Nothing could be as vile. Dunk or Dip! Or else! Your loathsome terrorist salesmanship at its finest!

  • Gary M

    Test.

  • Gary M

    It is quite common for convicts in prison to convert to religion. Some convert to Jesus. Some convert to ____. The question is: Is it God or is it our human instinct to reach out for help to anyone or anything when we are in trouble and feel trapped?

  • Gary M

    Aha! There is a filter. Any mention of the name of the god of most people living in the Middle East goes straight to moderation and is deleted. Interesting.

  • Susan Jane Elohim

    Glad you were useful to God in His breaking through the noetic effect that sin has on the human mind, Pastor.

    A fall as hard as a prison sentence might tend to wake a person up spiritually and make him aware that his own sinful attitude and deeds landed him there. That and associating with the wrong sorts of people.

    Very intelligent of them to opt for Jesus over repeat offending and returning to prison over and over.

    All glory to God!

    “For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.” (Rom. 1:21).

    R.C. Sproul’s site says: “Unfortunately, many Christians are confused about how faith and reason relate to each other.”

    See “The Noetic Effects of Sin” on Ligonier dot org.

    Or “The Noetic Effects of Sin” on thinkingonscripture.com

    It’s quite strange that so many people would allow themselves to doubt God’s Word while they stay under sin’s influence. But many do. Must be why the Bible exhorts people to be seekers so they can come our from under sin’s trajectory power over the human mind.

    Seeking: God’s way of independently and critically asserting the individual human mind against the power of sin.

    Nothing like a public fall of such a great magnitude as a prison sentence for making someone stop, think, compare and search.

    Why go back to prison again if God will set you free now?

    Thanks for all your hard work in such a dangerous place Pastor. God Bless!

    We Fall Down
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5s2feN6Yk

    Thank you, Jesus!

    • Were the pastors who were jailed for sex offences with under age persons from their churches or for embezzlement from their church associating with the wrong sort of people, as you claim ? Weren’t they associating with church people? Many of these pastors are Fundamentalists and were leading Fundamentalist congregations. They, and their congregations, claim to be born again, led and guided by the Holy Spirit and following the Jesus of the bible? Why wasn’t Jesus able to help them? Why didn’t their God lead them into the truth? Why was their God absent when they needed him?

    • Why didn’t God set these sex offender and embezzlement pastors free? If he couldn’t, why do you think that he’ll be able to set those non pastors who are in jail free?

    • “Sin” is a religious concept. What “noetic” effects of “sin” can there be? Does “sin” change a logical proposition into a non-logical one? If so, how? Does “sin” change evidence for anything? If so, how?

    • “God’s Word”! What is that! What you really mean is that barbaric, bloodthirsty, violent, and extremely ignorant book written by bloodthirsty savages who created Yahweh as their god, in their own likeness, is some sort of Word of God! Aren’t you joking?