An Oddly Hopeful Sign For Me

An Oddly Hopeful Sign For Me November 19, 2012

is that two readers, one of them quite conservative, the other, I think, probably a self-identified progressive could write the following (‘sup to you to tell me which wrote which):

For forty years, the Republican Party’s been saying that Christians must support GOP nominees because the alternative is abortion, gay marriage, and socialism.  But in that forty years, we’ve seen abortion, gay marriage, and socialism become accepted parts of America’s identity.  In fact, it’s impossible to imagine America without abortion, gay marriage, and socialism.

Since the GOP line is getting a bit threadbare, I’m wondering if we can’t help the GOP by coming up with new tropes, new threats to distract Christians from the GOP’s priorities for another forty years.  Care to run a contest?

I’m thinking we should now vote for the GOP because the alternatives are . . . . .

mandatory euthenasia
procreation licenses
school-sponsored sexual experimentation
government assignment of jobs and residences

I figure that by 2062, when we’ve all been settled into our assigned jobs and housing units, and our grandchildren are mindlessly shouting government slogans in order to have a chance at a procreation license, the four sextillionaires who run the GOP will have to come up with new slogans.  Or maybe not . . . forty more years of Democrat and GOP rule will pretty much do away with the need for campaining.


Aborted children…unemployed workers…innocents killed in “precision” bomb strikes…it’s doesn’t matter, Mark.  The only thing that matters these days is that someone gets to make political points with them.  For the Republicans, every aborted child is yet another log on the fire of the “anti-abortion movement”, which conveniently has been brainwashed into voting for a political party that won’t do jack to help the children who are dying, but will do everything in their power to attain political power using the blood of these pour souls.  The Democrats are baby-killers, undeniably.  But the GOP turns them into vampires to suck votes from trusting, decent people.

And the unemployed, the victims of our compassionate capitalist system.  The GOP, the “pro-life” party, cares less for these hard working folk.  “They’re lazy!”  “They’re greedy!”  “They want something for nothing!”  The party of Lincoln has turned the middle class into wage slaves and doesn’t give a rip.

Ah, but then there’s the Democrats…riding in on their white horse with all the relief programs you could want.  Just like the doctor who keeps the patient alive…alive enough to experiment experiment with, write up wonderful reports, publish books, and raise up whole political movements dedicated to keeping the poor alive, just barely.  Yes, the GOP co-opts the middle class, pulls away the safety net, and kills the middle class on the altar of profits.  Then along comes the Democrats and raises the zombies with just enough life support to become dependent, but not enough to become independent.

Both sides, dedicated to keep the people at war with each other.  All the while laying waste to our economy as sure as any locust.  Both sides, with their infomercials, political action committees, non-government organizations.  Joe Goebbels is no doubt proud of this as he looks on from his special place in hell.  Our rulers have learned his lesson well.  Repeat the lie often enough and the people will believe it.

Meanwhile human children die.  Human families lose homes.  Human families go hungry.  Human workers lose what little dignity they can find in this world.  Human fathers go to bed wondering how they are going to give their child just a little better life than they have.  Remember the American Dream?  It’s now a nightmare, playing out daily in the living rooms, kitchens, and bedrooms of middle America.

So go ahead.  Argue over your political parties.  Make your points for your puppet-masters while they pull the last few pennies out of your pocket.  Democrat…Republican…what difference is there between the two?  One robs you blind and makes you feel good about it, the other robs you blind and makes you feel it’s your fault.  But have at it…enjoy the bread and circuses that you have been given.

Sure their assessment of the future is bleak.  The future has always been bleak in this world, except when we are living in complete illusion.  The future is that time when you and all you love will be dead.  Get over it.  We’re not made for the future.  We’re made for eternity.  We are to care for our children as best we can and entrust them to God that he, not we, will see to it that the Faith survives and they have such gifts of Providence as are necessary to do his will.  Meanwhile, in the here and now, decoupling the Faith from tribal political allegiances and learning to judge the parties in light of Church teaching instead of cannibalize Church teaching to suit the parties is a good first step toward prudence and, in the long run, helping our children immeasurably more than political power will do.  I am heartened to see people on both sides of the aisle realizing that.  I can’t help but think these two guys would enjoy each other’s company over a beer.

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  • Richard Johnson

    “I can’t help but think these two guys would enjoy each other’s company over a beer.”

    Perhaps so, given that in person we get to see the whole person and find out that they are nowhere as nasty as we thought them to be when reading their post online. 🙂 And to clear confusion, yes I am a progressive with a strong pro-life position, and thus find myself to be unwelcome in either of the two corporatist parties (and therefore thankful).

    The future is bleak. If you are Christian and accept Scripture’s teachings of the future, you know it will get much worse before it gets better. If you are not a Christian but hold to the value of human life over riches, you know it will get much worse before it gets better. History shows that the human race has survived quite a bit over the years, and I have no doubt we will survive the debacle known as this modern age.

    Just like kidney stones, this too shall pass.

  • Josh Wilson

    I keep thinking that the best thing about Obama being re-elected is that the Republicans will at least have to run out someone different than Rmoney in 2016. There is some (slight) hope for a different kind of candidate from the GOP since it will at least have to be a different candidate.

    • Andy, Bad Person

      I agree with this. I don’t exactly have faith in the GOP, but a Romney presidency would have been disastrous for them. Romney could have kept all the same policies that Obama had and he would have gone down as GWB II.

      At least after 8 years of Obama, no one will be able to hide behind the “but he was still cleaning up after Bush” trope. He’ll own it. I’m not holding my breath for the next guy to improve anything, though.

    • Ted Seeber

      Given the way the Republican Talk Radio circuit and Blogs have been going, the next person they nominate will want to restore indentured servitude so that the credit card companies can sell the poor and get a better return on their investment.

      There is almost no hope at all of the GOP nominating a social conservative who believes strongly enough in Imago Dei to do what it will take to get the Hispanic and African American votes. I’ve only seen one name bandied about so far that fits- and she’s a state governor, a grandmother, and a Latina.

  • Margaret

    We have three years. Seriously, can’t we find a serious, civic-minded man or woman in this country who can think and act like a Catholic (doesn’t even have to BE Catholic, mind you!) This is ridiculous. I’m so tired of the bozos and stuffed shirts we keep coming up with.

    • Mark Shea

      The GOP is already sending out the signals that Rubio is the next person they will appoint for us to imagine we are choosing.

    • Rosemarie


      Most people out there who would be good, moral candidates are, frankly, going to avoid the cutthroat environment of American politics. With all the negative campaigning, slander, digging up as much dirt as possible, even ridiculing and savaging the spouse and children of the candidate – what good person would want to subject themselves and their families to that? Not many, and those who naively do may end up dropping out of politics later. So those who stay deeply involved in this dirty game are the ones who are willing to play dirty. A ban on negative campaigning would likely help, but I’m not holding my breath for that to happen.

  • Joe Gags

    Keep up the cynicism: it is just a game, stay home.

    Do you get paid to do Axelrod’s work?

    Seriously, that was the tactic, use data mining to locate possible voters who soured on Obama, and convince them that all the politicians are the same, so stay home.

    • Mark Shea

      Who is Axelrod? I didn’t stay home. I merely refused to vote for either major candidate. I did so on the basis of moral calculations rooted in my faith, not with respect to the BS either party puts out.

      • Cojuanco
        • Mark Shea

          Hmm. Apparently I don’t work for him.

          • Richard Johnson

            Of course you do! If you are not one of us, you are against us, and all that rot. Get with the program, Mark. Clearly you are a “librul-commie-fashist-muslim-Dummycrat” who wants to see this nation go down the toilet!!

            Get in line, Rod. It’s what good members of the National Patriotic Christian Front do!

            • Mark Shea

              I thought I was a reactionary homophobic theocrat dedicated to the crushing of Palestinians, the oppression of women, and the propagation of superstition instead of science and reason.

              • Richard Johnson

                Wait…this is Monday, isn’t it. Sorry about that.

      • TMLutas

        Axelrod is the Dems puppet master of the day. Convincing natural anti-Obama votes not to vote for Romney was a major portion of his strategy in 2012. You probably did a better job than he did within your peer group because he’s probably incapable of faking a good Catholic.

    • Ted Seeber

      The only way Axelrod influenced my vote was by removing his candidate from my consideration. Same with Karl Rove.

    • Jeremy Dobbs

      Contra factum non argumentum est, Joe. And what exactly is inaccurate about the criticisms of both parties presented?

      • TMLutas

        I seem to recall born alive legislation being presented and pushed largely by the GOP. When it couldn’t be stopped a lot of Dems got on board but the abortion machine was not amused. But that doesn’t fit the narrative so is down the memory hole. No federal funds for abortion is also a GOP success every time they get control of the executive. Brickbat the GOP for real faults. When you ignore reality to do it and over accuse, it shades into false witness. Let us stay clear of that trap.

        • Ted Seeber

          Except in Oklahoma, where it was actively BLOCKED by the GOP because a Democrats-for-life congresswoman championed it.

          GOP Support of Pro-life issues is always politically motivated- it just isn’t a priority enough to break party lines for.

  • Craig


    A minor point, but aren’t the ultra-wealthy now mostly Democrats?

    • Mark Shea

      Beats me. Does it matter?

      • TMLutas

        Reality matters. False accusations matter. It isn’t your true beefs with the GOP that bother so many but your lack of charity and disregard for the truth that has at least me taking up so much of your combos space. Catholics do not get to do penalty free slander and libel in a healthy free Church. Their brothers call them on it.

    • Andy

      A little research shows the republicans have far more ultra-wealthy folks then the democrats.

    • Ted Seeber

      No, but it doesn’t matter because the ultra-wealthy are just like the Communist Party in Russia- completely socialist as long as you are in the correct family.

  • TomRothbardWoods

    I think we need to draft someone like Glenn Beck. Someone who is brillant, calm, cool and collected.

    • Mark Shea

      Tee Hee.

  • Peggy R

    No one ever held a gun to my head to vote GOP. I used to vote Dem, when I was a silly feminist. It is sad to see so many women buying that bag of empty promises still.

    The GOP (or Dem party) won’t change if you don’t get inside of it and change it. The people who go to local, state and national meetings of an organization are those who set its agenda and priorities. If you’re not there, you don’t have a say. Otherwise, we are just consumers of what they decide we want as much as we are consumers of, er, Hostess Twinkies.
    The other alternative is a third party. No it won’t succeed in a presidential election, but it should work to elect local, state and Congressional candidates, work from the ground up, to build up a strong presence. Pass on the ideal presidential candidate goal for a while, and start developing from the bottom up. A good candidate will pop up, but with time, patience and hard work.

    • Blake Helgoth

      It is a nice senitment and all, but not one that is orn out in reality. Have you ever helped a freind run for state office that was not ‘choosen’ by the elites to run for that seat, even though the other guys was way beyond a scum bag? There an eye opener for you. Just look at how well this played out in the GOP primaries this past election (Maine, Floriday, Penn, Conn the National Convention, etc.) If that didn’t open your eyes, I’m not sure what will.

  • T0m

    Mark, there are a couple of problems here. First, while I admit that you are absolutely correct that neither party is perfect and that both are guilty of grave evil and that voting for either makes you complicit in the evil, the alternative you propose is far worse. In the America I grew up in there were things worth fighting for. Right was right and wrong was wrong. If you think back on the greatest generation – they didn’t appease Hitler, they went to war and ended him. My point being that in the face of evil, sometimes you have to take a stand and fight. To do nothing, to put your head in the sand, etc. may be philosophically satisfying – but, it won’t stop the abortions, the rampaging homosexual left, or the rest of the big Government agenda. Yes, I agree that in the end all of this is in God’s hands. But, if we are truly commanded to vote as a civic and moral duty then we should damn well exercise that choice for the lesser of the two evils. AND that choice was very clear to me. The second problem with this is not just the cynicism. It is the schizophrenic nature of the argument. It is a perverse sort of truth that seems to claim that we are powerless to do anything so we should do nothing (or it’s eqquivalent writing Mickey Mouse or Ron Paul on your ballot instead of choosing Romney or Obaman.) You have noted on many occasions that it is not what a vote means to the election and the final tally, but what it means to the person who casts it in a spiritual sense. Point taken. But, I don’t think you get off scot free, either when you refuse to pick a side. If you witness a rape, murder, or assualt and choose to look away rather than help – are you not guilty of sin? You can rationalize it away, of course. But, in the end that is just what happened here. This country is being raped and murdered by the left and BECAUSE the police have been known to break a few moral laws themselves, you are willing to stand off in a neutral corner saying “It’s all in God’s hands, anyway.” I didn’t like Romney at all. But, in the end – I made a choice.

    • Ted Seeber

      “In the America I grew up in there were things worth fighting for. Right was right and wrong was wrong. ”

      That America no longer exists. There is nothing left worth fighting for- and there is only wrong.

      • Mark Shea


        Stop committing the sin of despair. Get out of cyberspace. Get back in touch with God. Stop it. Now.

    • Blake Helgoth

      Except the Greatest Generation also sold tanks (Ford) and all other sort of other military technology to Hitler because there was booty to be made and the politicians looked the other way, ’cause there was booty to be had. Antony C. Sutton has quite extensive documented research about all of this.

  • Ann

    Thank you TOm for your comment.

    Is it big money establishment Republicans that are 100% to blame for the failures of the GOP to enact Pro life & conservative legislation? Or can conservative & pro life people admit that they have not been involved enough in the political process? In terms of serving as commuter people, running for office, starting grass roots groups, etc.

    If you vote, and you publish political essays, why stop there? Take a lease out on a glass house.

  • Richard Johnson

    At the risk of having Godwin’s Law come crashing down on my head, I would offer the following for your consideration, Tom.

    The election is 2016.

    The Democratic Party has nominated a person who makes Mussolini look like a saint. Not only is this person for unrestricted abortion rights, he is also advocating organ harvesting, the notion that if you have a “deformed” fetus that will “likely die anyway”, you should do a late term abortion (as late as possible) so the organs can be harvested to help other newborns with a “better chance of survival”.

    The Republican Party has nominated a person who puts forth the idea that illegal immigrants can have a path to a green card by entering a seven year period in a “work environment” (read “indentured servitude”). This work environment would be exempt from minimum wage laws, OSHA protections, and other regulations which protect workers from harm. In short, after seven years as a slave you get a green card. The candidate is very clear as well about NOT mentioning abortion in his campaign.

    Your choice, Tom? Which is the lesser of two evils? A candidate that openly advocates children as cattle, or a candidate who advocates slavery and says nothing at all about abortion?

    When is the lesser of two evils too evil to consider? When is your participation in such a choice simply enabling evil?