Consider the Possibility of Sticking your Head outside the Bubble

Consider the Possibility of Sticking your Head outside the Bubble September 14, 2015

and consider the possibility that listening only to what your itching ears are already bound and determined to hear is bad for you.

It’s possible the Church might actually know what it is talking about when it calls us to help the alien while the professional fearmongers, who have been so wrong about so much so many times for so long are not the ones to be trusted now.

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  • HornOrSilk

    Abraham could have welcomed terrorists, but instead found out it was God.

    • ivan_the_mad

      HoS – not at all on topic, but regarding our earlier conversation of Gene Wolfe: I am afraid that I was not able to follow your advice, for a friend in the parish gave me the complete Book of the New Sun, which I am devouring (just finished The Sword of the Lictor). But rest assured, the Book of the Long Sun shall swiftly follow, for thankfully my library has it in its collection.

      • HornOrSilk

        Well, New Sun was the first and many think the best so it still is a good one to begin with. I just think Long Sun is easier of the two to grasp (though, the two works have a lot of parallels to them which you should be able to see once you have read both). I’m glad to hear you are enjoying it, though!

  • Re_Actor

    With all due respect, you haven’t the faintest idea what’s going in Europe. Not a fucking clue. Neither does that dopey commentator dug up by the Daily Kos (the Left-Wing Noise Machine?), who by his own admission is fortunate to live in a country where “unlike in the case of Germany, there’s not going to be a flood of people walking here”.

    There may or may not be a significant IS or other jihadist element among the migrants. That is a secondary issue. The primary issue is whether Europe can or should submit to significant demographic change sufficient to radically alter what’s left of its traditional culture. Half a century of multiculturalism — imposed by fiat, mark you — suggests that any such alteration will be very much for the worse. (Rotherham, anyone?)

    You say the Church “calls us to help the alien”. Indeed it does, and so we should. But Church teachings are not slogans. “Brethren, do not become children in sense: but in malice be children, and in sense be perfect.”

    • chezami

      Right. Ignore the Pope. The RWNM that lied to us throughout the Iraq war is totally the the complex of propaganda organs to trust for guidance here.

      • Joseph

        Fine and good, Mark. But the US created this humanitarian crisis. It’s very easy for Americans like yourself to sit there and tell Europeans to bear the burden while sipping on your Big Gulp. We need to help the refugees, even if there is a very small percentage of extremists taking advantage of the situation to infiltrate. But, the US should take the vast majority of them… after all, it’s their insane foreign policy that pushed them out of their own lands.
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        I’m growing tired of my fellow Americans sitting on their seats of sanctimony and ignorance (because they don’t know anything about what’s going on in Europe) grandstanding and telling everyone from on high like Moses that Europeans need to stop complaining about the situation and just suck it up.
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        Yes, we need to. But there is legitimate concerns that need to be addressed, perhaps at some later time. Of the wave of migrants flooding in, a very minute percentage are extremists (reports of them throwing Christians, women, and children from the boats on the way to EU countries abound)… but they *are* there. Of a much larger minority, there are people who will do everything in their power to *not* integrate with the local cultures who are graciously letting them in. Within their small sub-communities it is all but certain that Islamic fanaticism will fester (this can be seen throughout Europe). The rest will, no doubt, gravitate towards those of similar background and culture (as is the norm) and even though they are moderate, their population size (as a majority) will accidentally conceal the more extreme elements from authorities.
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        Aside from the security issue, most EU member states are reeling from heavy austerity policies that were placed upon them from their new EU masters. Policies that are still in effect. Their economies are struggling.
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        Then there’s the matter of fairness. There are *thousands* of refugees in Ireland who have been waiting to be processed for several years now. They’ve been unable to work legally and have been living on practically nothing in small accommodation. The refugees from the most current crisis are getting priority here, pushing those who have been in the asylum seeker process to the bottom of the queue! Why? Because those being pushed back in the queue are black, Christian, why do they suffer? Why is it that Muslim refugees get placed at the top of the queue and get the better accommodation?
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        Why the double standard? Do read me wrong, I believe we should help these refugees *in any way we can*. But Americans need to stop telling Europeans what to do with the mess they created. Instead of talking about stuff that you have no knowledge of, actually do something about it yourself. I don’t see any pro-refugee protests happening in the US to demand that your government take in some of these refugees. None. I suppose you’re all too busy making sure you don’t spill your Frappichino on your keyboards while you demand that everyone else take care of the problem.

        • Dan F.

          You might be new here but Mark has consistently called for the US to take in the refugees we have created. He has also spoken out against our adventuring in the Middle East for a very long time. I agree with you that America needs to take in the refugees we created. Mark is not part of the problem

          • Joseph

            I’ve read more than one implication or accusation that the Europeans aren’t doing their *Christian duty* right here on this blog without rebuke. I’ve been called a conspiracy theorist and a spin doctor for pointing out the utter hypocrisy of Americans making those claims and have been given countless *excuses* totally unrelated to the problems that the US has caused. The comments have been almost entirely one sided, so my apologies if I’m incorrectly assuming that Mark is in agreement with them. However, it think it would be better if Mark focused on America taking most of the refugees rather than just saying the collective should in general. It would at least appear that the tears being spilt over this whole crisis are more genuine that way. And that video he posted from the American apologist with regard to his (Green was his name, I think) view on the crisis with conveniently omitted the US government’s direct role in this crisis and accused everyone else with a litany of excuses of fault for it wasn’t helpful either… especially since the blog post appeared to be an endorsement for such propaganda.

      • Marthe Lépine

        In addition, Pope Francis has explained in a recent interview (http://rr.sapo.pt/noticia/34088/pope_i_trust_the_young_politicians_corruption_is_a_global_problem) that he had been asking parishes and religious institutions to welcome “A family, not just
        one person. A family gives more guarantees of security and containment, so as to avoid infiltrations of another kind.” He seems to recognize that there could be terrorists or other ill-intended people among that mass of refugees, and consequently he advises to not just take one person, and I infer that it probably means to be careful about some of the many men that seemed to have come alone.

    • Marthe Lépine

      However, it is not half a century of multiculturalism that is the worse culprit. It seems much more likely that it is half a century of contraception and abortion… There is evidence suggesting the possibility that in one more century, the population of Germany will have become extinct. In order to conserve a people’s culture, the most needed thing would be… that that population still exists!