On Waterboarding and Torture: What about Atheists and Youth?

On Waterboarding and Torture: What about Atheists and Youth? May 12, 2018

Like capital punishment, torture is an issue that divides American Catholics from their co-religionists elsewhere in the developed world. A 2009 Pew Study noted the two biggest supporters of waterboarding and torture in the U.S. are white Catholics (51 percent) and white Evangelicals (62 percent). These two constituencies both buoyed and exceeded the U.S. national average of 49 percent.

By comparison, a 2017 Campaign Research poll shows 71 percent of Canadians believe the use of torture is infective. Sixty percent of Canadians would reject intelligence extracted by the U.S. through the use of torture.

Yet not all American Catholics support waterboarding or torture. I was reminded of the 2009 study by my friend Mark Shea. Mark is a longtime ally in the struggle to reassert Catholic teaching among English-speaking Catholics affected by this scandal. With this week’s political appointment controversies in the U.S., Mark has written a new post on the torture debate. Please read it by clicking here.

One angle Mark did not explore was the opposition to waterboarding. A more recent (2016) Pew Research survey on the same topic shows nearly the same percentage of the U.S. population (48 percent) still supports waterboarding. This is in comparison to the other 49 percent that does not. In other words, a statistical tie ensues when the margin of error is taken into consideration. Half the U.S. population supports waterboarding. The other half does not.

What I find interesting within the 2016 survey results is the half that does not. Opposition to waterboarding and torture was particularly strong among African-Americans (60 percent), young adults between the ages of 18 and 28 inclusive (58 percent), and those with a post-graduate education (60 percent). In other words, our most educated, our future generation, and the descendants of those who historically were most likely to have suffered torture in America. Which is probably why African-Americans are joined by Senator John McCain in opposing the use of waterboarding and other torture.

This failure on the part of white Catholics and Evangelicals creates ample opportunity for atheists to counter-evangelize young people already absorbed into today’s secularist culture.

For the atheists are gaining the moral high ground on waterboarding.

The most well-known example is the late Christopher Hitchens. As one of the so-called Four Horseman of New Atheism, Hitchens was also once an apologist for the use of waterboarding. So much so that unlike many of his Christian allies on this topic, Hitchens agreed to undergo the experience in order to bolster his intellectual arguments favouring the practice. To put a new twist on an old cliche, Hitchens was willing to put his mouth where his money was.

And the experience changed him.

He immediately renounced all prior support for waterboarding. Moreover, humility replaced the prior bombast with which he  spoke on this topic. You can view the Youtube video below:

Hitchen’s opening comments are also the most chilling: “[Waterboarding] does not simulate the feeling of drowning. You are being drowned slowly.”

To the usual Catholic apologists for waterboarding, Hitchens is an even bigger boogeyman than my friend Mark Shea. Hitchens is an atheist who during his lifetime had a strong mainstream media presence. Hitchens never feared attacking anything society holds sacred. I myself was outraged by his sacrilegious ridicule of Mother Theresa of Calcutta.

Despite fearing nothing sacred, despite never backing away from a fight, despite knowing in advance and in his intellect that this was an experience in which his participation was voluntary (and for which he could opt out at any time), Hitchens barely lasted ten seconds once the water touched his lips.

Ten seconds seems short, however, Hitchens reports that he suffered nightmares after the experience.

Moreover, it is ten seconds of waterboarding more than what the vast majority of his critics have been subjected.

Yet imagine being subjected to waterboarding involuntarily, without any foreknowledge as to survivability?

Now imagine those who support your subjection to this experience pride themselves on being faithful Christians.

Finally, imagine our young people following this discussion in which those who support waterboarding claim to be faithful Christians, whereas one of the most powerful voices against waterboarding is a repentant atheist who had agreed to undergo it.

Who will have more credibility among our youth?

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  • Tacitus

    Yeah, contrast Hitchens with another apologist for waterboarding, Sean Hannity, who declared loud and long that there was nothing to it and even agreed to be waterboarded, for charity (“for the troops!”), but then…

    Nothing.

    He chickened out.

  • God has given us the means to make the world a better place and it’s not by the sword. We need to learn to trust more in the wisdom of God, not man. I think Christians that promote these interrogation techniques need to reconnect with trusting in the power of fasting and prayer.

  • Lisa Clarke

    I read the Shea piece and its his typical bizarre rant, with plenty of stuff included that has nothing to do with the topic (Fr. Pavone, etc.).

    The poll results weren’t all that different among the various groups questioned. And where does Shea get the idea that people “love” waterbording? Some do, but I imagine that most people who support torture think that it can be acceptable under limited circumstances. That’s not the same as “loving” it, although Shea doesn’t seem capabale of making distinctions that an average 12 year old can

  • Lord Azaxyr

    Suppose a poll showed that a majority of young women supported the right to have abortions. Suppose one of this alleged right’s most vociferous supporters is a young woman who had herself undergone an abortion. Now suppose one of its most outspoken opponents is a middle-aged woman who had not undergone an abortion. A majority of young women would most likely regard the former as occupying the moral high ground.