Dying to Keep a Job … Freedom of Conscience and Abortion, Euthanasia

Dying to Keep a Job … Freedom of Conscience and Abortion, Euthanasia September 5, 2015
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Do you support forcing doctors and nurses to violate their consciences by killing their patients with abortion and euthanasia?

How does this overall concept apply to the questions raised by the jailing of Kim Davis?

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21 responses to “Dying to Keep a Job … Freedom of Conscience and Abortion, Euthanasia”

  1. I was just thinking of this connection yesterday. Many people I would have thought to be supportive of Kim Davis have said to me that she should either resign or “do her job.” This is not a valid choice if we still live in a free country. The same holds true for doctors who, as a matter of conscience, will not become a contributing member of the culture of death.

  2. Nurses should never be compelled to do abortions or any other procedure that is unethical. Neither should doctors. The link I posted a while ago talked about reasonable accommodation as our laws say.
    As you said, Rebecca, it is breathtaking how many people have no respect for law, only for justices’ daydreams. They think that is law.
    The clearest thing about Kim Davis, though, is that she is an elected official. It does bother me that the Feds think they can arrest an elected official when she does not do their bidding.
    What is to keep the Feds from doing the same to governors who refuse to fund PP?

  3. After what I’ve seen happen to Kim Davis, and what is happening to the judge in OR who stopped doing all marriages (his legal right) in order not to violate the law or his conscience and is still being harrassed, I’ve completely changed my mind about the morality of capitulation in the religious liberty argument. I capitulated to giving up my long dreamed of career in OB/maternal health due to abortion and while it was the right choice for me then, I would hope I might make a different choice today. Even hospice, another career choice I made, is turning into euthanasia-lite in some cases. People have no idea how coarsened, non-compassionate, and choiceless healthcare becomes when people with no true respect for life take over. The Canadian solution of splitting doctors into 2 lists based on their view on euthanasia is a must. They cannot let pro-euthanasia forces rid the profession of pro-life doctors.

    The leftist totalitarians won’t rest until they’ve found a way to make it possible to keep those with religious conscience out of every possible line of work. It’s time to fight back using all the legal and political tactics the gay lobby used. They have forced conflicts by being utterly intolerant and unreasonable in order to create a basis for lawsuits and get favorable laws written. We need courageous religious folks to refuse to quit or avoid employment where conflicts arise. We need to get pro-life nurses employed at PP clinics where they can create conflict. We need to stand up for the free expression of religion in public schools. We need to start publically saying grace in groups in restaurants where it is likely to provoke a discriminatory response and get it on camera. We need to stop being nice and fair and reasonable because there is something far greater at stake.

    • The problem is that our opponents got a positive reaction from the press, whereas we will get a negative one if we get any press at all. Another problem is that our faith requires us to do unto others as we would have them do to us. I’m not willing to lose my soul for anything on this earth.

  4. People who have difficulty with rational choices should not work in fields where such choices are the norm. That is what convents and monasteries are for.

    • Begging the question. This assumes that euthanasia and abortion are morally neutral acts. Just because something is legal does not make it just. It is a very legitimate question to ask how we approach compelling professionals to do things that are legal but have societally disputed morality.

      • One person may oppose euthanasia on the grounds that it morally wrong in the eyes of the medieval Roman deity. Another person may oppose restrictions against euthanasia on the grounds that it is morally wrong to deny someone control over her own body. When a terminally ill individual opts out of a drawn out exit in favor of a quicker departure, who are we to say they cannot do that or that it opposes divine will? The latter claim is especially a sticky wicket.

            • Euthanasia is the killing of an innocent person. That is murder. The mistake is your, my friend, for thinking that this is ok.

                  • Viewing it as such has political ramifications that are better avoided. It is can also be the source of much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

                    • Legalizing medical murder deserves a few “political ramifications.” The best way to avoid these ramifications is to stop the push to legalize killing innocent people.

                    • People who prefer to avoid a horrible end-of-life experience deserve better than you are willing to give.

                    • We’re just going back and forth with one-liners. This is the last one. I’m too busy. 🙂

                      Here it is:

                      I think they deserve better than being killed. They need care and help. Murdering someone is a poor sort of “caring” for them.

                    • People who want to kill themselves have always found ways to do it, and doctors willing to cooperate. The rest of us responded however we responded.

                      The only reason to legalize euthanasia is to to tell the world that what they known is wrong is actually right.

                    • A better way to put it is to tell the world that what they have been indoctrinated into thinking of as wrong is not as bad as they imagined.

                    • Suicide as a political statement, then. And here I thought the goal was just to off yourself.

                      Sorry. Suicide is a horrible thing and you have no right to implicate the rest of is in your personal ideology.

  5. We no longer live in a free country. Time to carve out spaces where those without the heroic virtue of martyrdom can live in peace, safety, and stability. I used to scoff at the idea of the ghetto, now I see where monoculture communities make a lot of sense.

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