Why Don’t Black Lives Matter to White Christians?

Why Don’t Black Lives Matter to White Christians? July 7, 2016

Author’s note:  This was written before I had any knowledge of the murder of Philando Castile, which is why he is not mentioned.

Another day in America, another unlawful, unnecessary, unwarranted state execution of a black man.  This time his name was Alton Sterling and he was murdered by the Baton Rouge police, who were responding to a call about a man who (supposedly) had a gun and was selling CDs outside of a convenience store.

Here are the facts about the victim:  according to the police, Sterling did have a gun at the time (Louisiana, by the way, is a concealed carry state).  If we take the police at their word (which I most certainly do not), that gun would have been illegal as Sterling was a felon.  Sterling’s criminal history dates back to the 1990’s and includes charges for battery, unlawful possession of a firearm, and “carnal knowledge of a juvenile.”

Alton Sterling was also a father (if you want to cry, you can watch Sterling’s 15-year-old son break down in tears while his mother discusses the killing here).  He was a friend of the owner of the store where he was killed.  He was a provider for five children who will now grow up without a father (but no, totally, it’s a lack of Christian values that’s destroying the American family).

It wasn’t long before sites such as Blue Lives Matter (shudder) began posting their propaganda, as well as plastering Sterling’s criminal past all over the internet.  According to the official story they parrot, Sterling reached for a gun in his pocket while pinned down by two officers, which is why they had to shoot him six times at point-blank range.

Let’s take a look, shall we?

By the way, this video is extremely disturbing, but you should watch it.  I want you to see what it looks like when a man is killed.

So it’s clear to me that the idea of Sterling reaching for his gun here is actively ludicrous.  They would have you believe that as he lay there, two full-grown police officers on top of him, a pistol pointed directly at his chest, he thought to himself, “You know what?  I got this,” and reached for his gun, like an action movie star.

Nobody – I repeat, nobody, is that stupid or insane.  There is no evidence based on any of the videos we have that this is the case, and the owner of the convenience store where this happened said that Sterling’s hand was nowhere near his pocket.

Now, whenever something like this happens (and it happens all too frequently, as the black community knows very well), the white, conservative “Christians” that make up the FOX News audience come out of the woodwork to declare that the victim was a criminal and probably deserved it, and that if you don’t want to be shot, you shouldn’t commit crimes (like shoplifting cigars, or owning a gun (but I thought they loved the second amendment?)) and, of course, that BLUE LIVES MATTER (or All Lives Matter, but I think that phrase has fallen into disuse because it still implies that black lives do matter).

These white Christians lament the lack of “values” in the black community.  Here’s Bill O’Reilly literally ranting about black people’s lack of family values in several different clips, edited together by The Young Turks (starts at 3:42).  O’Reilly and Sean Hannity have both compared Black Lives Matter to the Ku Klux Klan on several occasions.  Here’s a Christian author who says BLM is “incompatible” with Christianity because it was founded by women who self-identify as “queer.”  The Huffington Post has reported on the phenomenon of supposedly-justice-loving Christians who are uncomfortable with saying “Black Lives Matter.”  Stacy Dash, right here on Patheos, has disparagingly referred to BLM as a “radical political agenda” in an article trashing one of the leaders.

Well, she’s right.  It is a radical political agenda.

Do you know what else is a radical political agenda?  The Kingdom of God.

Jesus of Nazareth founded a movement grounded in social justice and radical egalitarianism.  When he ate with sinners and tax collectors, or encouraged women to sit with the men at dinner, it wasn’t because he was just a nice guy.  It was a conscious, premeditated, prophetic demonstration against the “traditional family values” of the ancient Mediterranean world in the microcosm of a family meal where the paterfamilias and his sons ate first, the women later, and the slaves or servants last of all.

When Jesus was confronted with a Gentile woman who asked for the same miracles that Jesus had come to bring “To the lost sheep of the house of Israel,” he called her a “dog” which essentially amounts to a racial slur.  Upon hearing her marvelous reply (“But even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their master’s table”) Jesus has a change of heart and heals the woman’s daughter, thereby breaking down all racial barriers within the Kingdom.

When Jesus looked around at his world and saw violence, injustice, and oppression by the hands of the State, he created a nonviolent socio-religious movement with the aim of confronting those in power, challenging the violence they used to oppress his people, and subverting the “traditional values” of the time.  For his trouble, he was executed by the State.

Just like Alton Sterling, and thousands of others before him.

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  • Frank

    Why do people present inaccurate and misleading bylines?

    • Obscurely

      Jesus, Frank — THAT’s what worries you about this post? Shame on you!!

      • Frank

        It does because it’s not true. It should bother anyone concerned with truth and reality.

        • Obscurely

          We’ve already been down this racist rabbit hole together, Frank — the hell with your “truth and reality”, people are DYING for God’s sake!! … LOVE DEMANDS JUSTICE

          • kjdjr

            ” these people ” are dying because the were in the process of COMMITTING multiple FELONIES and then resisted arrest.

          • Obscurely

            I didn’t say “these people,” I said PEOPLE — get your facts straight, many of these killings by the police resulted from routine traffic stops, NOT “felonies” …

  • ravitchn

    When whites encounter young black males (see Jesse Jackson’s old comment) they know there may be trouble. Shoot first, ask questions later — may be the only safe thing to do.

    • Obscurely

      Dear Moderator … why in God’s holy Name haven’t you deleted and blocked this ugly racist ranting by ravitchn?

    • Pennybird

      So long as the NRA and their gunfuckery insist that every crackpot and his hot tempered brother have access to weapons and be allowed to carry them freely, it’s reasonable for cops to assume everyone is poses a lethal threat. They might start shooting White people in traffic stops soon.

    • DX

      Hope they shoot you bigot

  • jekylldoc

    I recommend Ta-Nehisi Coates’ writing, especially “Between the World and Me”, to everyone I can. We white folks particularly need to read it. He has a good grasp not only of the long and continuing history of racism, but also of the way economics tends to reinforce the urge to claim innocence.

    Stories of police abuse, often murder, are inescapable in the African-American community. Everybody knows somebody who was singled out for unjust violence, or who has a family member in that category. And the tendency by whites to trust the one who is “Us” (not to mention, who is in charge of protecting “our” property from “them”) meant that the police could count on getting away with it, and Black Lives Didn’t Matter. Even now that videos go viral and the evidence is there, they still generally get the benefit of even the least sliver of doubt. And they come to view that as their right.

    Why Christians support that is a more troubling topic, but white American Christianity has a long history of accepting first slavery then Jim Crow. I personally think it has something to do with tribalism and something to do with conceptualizing salvation as “behaving respectably,” so that anyone who was genuinely poor was pretty likely not to “behave like a Christian” if only because their table manners were not acceptable. “The Help” can also help white folks get a clue.

    • Pennybird

      Please add Michelle Alexander’s The New Jim Crow to the reading list. Although I see myself as fairly well educated in American history and social policy, I was astounded to read what goes on outside of my own insular community. Quite an eye opener, as is Coates’ work.

      • jekylldoc

        Added. Thanks.

  • RustbeltRick

    Because a lot of my fellow white Christians are racist, fearful, angry, immature, etc.

    I’m not sure calling conservative Christians to task will get you very far. As you can see from some of the comments here, they’ll probably just double down on the victim blaming. Instead, speak to progressives who are outraged by this wave of violence and want to do something about it. How should this outrage be channeled into something productive?

    • ravitchn

      What BS! When white lives matter to blacks who assault them then whites might be willing to think black lives might matter.

      • jekylldoc

        Wait. You are saying that until every black person treats every white person with a complete absence of threat, the police can treat black people as expendable? Do you have any inkling of how sick that is?

        Black people are part of “us”. I am white, but my identity is much more “I am American” and “I am Christian” and “I care about human rights more than I care about my pocketbook.” On all of those, black people are closer to me than a scary share of the white folks in this country.

        I know that I have the privilege of not defining myself as “a white person.” Other people give me the benefit of the doubt because that is how they treat people they see as part of their group. But their group is not one I want to be part of.

      • RustbeltRick

        Exhibit A.

      • Obscurely

        Do you claim to be a Christian, a follower of the Way of Peace Jesus showed us?

      • Iphigenia

        Here’s why we’re not up in arms about black people who attack white people (or other black people): because they always go to prison for their crimes. That’s how it’s supposed to work. We can’t say the same for police officers who kill black people on flimsiest of pretexts.

  • Gary Whiteman

    Maybe the fact that ALL lives matter to God. Singling out one group does not seem Christian at all. God does not play favorites.

    • Christian Chiakulas

      No, but Jesus did. The meek, the lowly, the dispossessed, the marginalized, the hungry, the thirsty, the stranger, the imprisoned…

      Try again.

    • Pennybird

      You misunderstand the sentiment behind Black Lives Matter. It seems to too many cops and others in our society that Black Lives can be taken fairly easily and without consequence.

      • infinite wisdom

        If the sentiment were true as you think it is behind BLM, the group would be channeling its energy towards areas where black lives are being severely impacted and many lives were being lost and that isn’t because of police shootings or the negative actions of a small percentage of police officers.

        • Pennybird

          So in other words, they’d channel their energy according to your priorities and not to their own? I don’t think they need to consult people outside the community first to see what they want us to do before they take action.

          • infinite wisdom

            My priorities?? Anyone who could read and rationalize,,,,now stay with me for a few, would know that they are focused on a minuscule statistic that affects very few people, even fewer if you consider those that have not broken the law, but are using the social media to incite emotions in order to generate a perception of the problem being larger than it is. Meanwhile,,,,,,thousands are dying because people who don’t care about life at all are murdering for things as simple as “they disrespected me”.
            Granted they don’t consult,,,,,but they aren’t really concerned about the real underlying issues either. Have a nice day.

          • Pennybird

            Miniscule, maybe, but official. All societies have crazies who try to kill people, but when government officials do it, it’s a different and a bigger problem. Joe Nutcase Disrespected Gun Owner has no obligation to serve and protect. When people are not protected by those sworn to do so, no one is safe.

            First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
            Because I was not a Socialist.

            Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
            Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

            Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
            Because I was not a Jew.

            Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
            — Martin Niemoller

          • IconoclastTwo

            I especially don’t think they need to consult people who see lethally racist abuse of authority as No Big Deal.

    • Iphigenia

      Let me give you an analogy: imagine you go to a dinner party, and your hostess serves everyone but you, and when you point this out she says “Well actually, everyone should be fed,” and makes no apparent effort to make sure you get food. Would you be upset – perhaps even angry – with your hostess? If not, you’re an extremely forbearing person in the face of such an obvious injustice. If so, perhaps you can understand a little of how upset and angry Black people are in this country.

  • I get what the author is trying to say. But it’s not fair at all to lob all white Christians into this monolith. Most of them are not right-wing authoritarians. There are plenty of apolitical centrists, moderate to right folks, libertarians, liberals, and everything in between.

    When one looks specifically at the religious right and the authoritarian mindset, well, its not surprising that if God = Government and Government = God with the state and other centers of money, power, and authority being born to rule over everyone else… you’ll see acts of brutality and cruelty like these shootings. It’s part of that central ideology. ‘Culture of violence’ and ‘culture of hatred’ as the sayings go.

    • Pennybird

      Of course it isn’t everyone, but it is systematic and White Christians overwhelmingly control the system. Many people can’t see it because they don’t get out of their comfort zone. They see one Black mayor on the news and think we’re post racial. Because they’ve never had to fear for their lives when they get pulled over.

      • There’s systematic problems, yes, but treating white Christians as a monolith of evil doesn’t help. It makes things worse. Building a better country by enacting policies that are generally good for everyone– like ending the war on drugs, stopping the spread of private prisons for profit, expanding public defender offices, and so on– means multiple groups working together. There’s also the fact that white Christians really are not in any way demographically, ideologically, or culturally this big blob of homogeneous vanilla pudding that can be assumed to be all the same. Life just isn’t like that. Pope Francis doesn’t believe or work for the same things as Donald Trump.

        • Christian Chiakulas

          Dude…I am a white Christian. Calm down.

  • Obscurely

    Dear Moderator … why in God’s holy Name haven’t you deleted and blocked the ugly racist rants by ravitchn below?

  • Otto T. Goat

    “nobody, is that stupid or insane”

    Hilarious. You don’t know many blacks, do you.

    • DX

      You clearly dont

    • Iphigenia

      DING DING DING! You win!

  • Otto T. Goat

    “you shouldn’t commit crimes…like shoplifting cigars”

    Mike Brown shoplifted cigars, then walked down the middle of the street, then when a cop told him to get out of the middle of the street he punched the cop in the face and tried to take his gun. Some people really are that stupid.

    • Brandon Roberts

      agreed

    • jekylldoc

      Right. But then the cop kills him, which should be just as stupid, except that he knows the system will back him up. Which makes the system evil. Just as it should deter the crime of the first, it should also deter the crime of the second.

      • Otto T. Goat

        Brown was shot because he was attacking a cop, there was nothing “stupid” or “evil” about it.

        • jekylldoc

          Brown had been going away and was unarmed. Twelve shots were fired. If he had been a foolish and belligerent white guy, he would still be alive, because the officer would have reacted with less hostility but also with less sense of impunity.

          If officer Darren Wilson did not react stupidly, it was only because he knew he would not be held responsible for killing an unarmed man. And I am betting that would not have been the case if the man had been white. The system is evil.

          Actually, we knew that about Ferguson already. There was a deliberate process in place of harassing poor black people to pay for the municipal bills. In that context, the result almost looks planned. And we have trouble trusting the investigation that exonerated Wilson. That should not be.

          • Otto T. Goat

            Brown had been attacking Wilson. He was coming back at Wilson when he was shot. Wilson reacted properly. Brown’s own stupidity got him shot. You people are delusional, you don’t care about facts.

          • jekylldoc

            Well, I don’t know much about the effects of being shot 10 times, not having had it happen to me, but I have just been reading an article about the police of Scotland and how they are trained to shoot once, and if that doesn’t stop someone, shoot again. Turning that into 12 shots strikes me as pretty delusional.

          • Otto T. Goat

            Shooting until the perpetrator goes down is proper procedure.

          • jekylldoc

            You make it sound like a timed exercise. See how many rounds you can squeeze off before the perp “goes down”. Are the Scots wrong?

          • Otto T. Goat

            12 rounds easy if I’m shooting at a big tub of lard like coming at me. The Scots are wrong, that’s bad technique.

          • jekylldoc

            So there are lots of cases where a big, strong aggressive guy is not stopped by two or three rounds? Anyplace I could read about this with solid information?

          • Otto T. Goat

            The most famous one that led to multiple changes in police procedure is the Miami Shootout.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout#The_shootout

          • jekylldoc

            Thanks, I see the point about wanting to be sure of stopping power, as well as capability of fighting after traumatic wounds, but this isn’t really what I thought I was asking about. With an unarmed perpetrator it is not clear to me why you couldn’t check after several shots to see if the person was done fighting. Firing until they leave their feet is pretty much guaranteed to kill them, which is what seems to have been intended.

            Do you know if there are numerous cases of unarmed assaillants continuing to fight after multiple wounds? I don’t mean to put the burden of evidence on you in particular. I believe you when you say he was following “proper procedure”. (I am sure you know that this was not the case for a number of recent celebrated cases.) But when I start looking into cases and find that this same procedure was not followed in many similar, or at least reminiscent, cases, I expect you can understand why an ignorant layperson like myself would have trouble making sense of this. It looks a lot more like the officer was enraged than like he was just asking himself what is proper procedure.

          • Otto T. Goat

            Wilson performed admirably in difficult circumstances, while Brown made a series of moronic choices that led to his much deserved shooting. Your Monday morning quarterbacking is pathetic.

          • DX

            Wilson is a racist coward no wonder he quit the force what a coward

          • Otto T. Goat

            All you can do is sputter and lie.

          • DX

            Nope Wilson is a racist coward glad he resigned like the snake he is

          • Otto T. Goat

            Wilson deserves a medal for excellence in dindu dispatching.

          • jekylldoc

            Maybe. I can tell you this – we live in a democracy, so I don’t have any alternative but to weigh whatever evidence I can. The buck stops with each one of us.

          • Frank

            We live in a representative republic. A true democracy would be disastrous.

          • IconoclastTwo

            How is what we have now already not a disaster? Especially concerning issues like this.

          • jekylldoc

            Otto –

            Having watched the video of the ABC interview of Darren Wilson, I think I am willing to believe that the action was justified – if Wilson was telling the truth. I have no way of sorting out the evidence, and in general I argue for trusting the court system, but it is very sad that enough racist killings have occurred in the U.S., and enough corrupt racist exploitation was going on in Ferguson, that we can’t really do that with confidence.

            It is also sad that there were conflicting accounts put forward by people who claimed to be witnesses, which included some discredited by the objective evidence. If people disagree with the system, lying to make it look bad is not helpful. Neither is it helpful to lie (which may have happened) to protect the authorities.

          • Cmex

            There once was a thug named Brown
            Who rushed at a cop with a frown
            Twelve bullet later he met his creator
            And his homies burned down the town

            Brown attacked Wilson and tried to take his gun. This led to him getting shot the first times. He retreated, so Wilson ceased fire. Then brown came running back. So Wilson reengaged and proceeded to chiki briki his shit. Brown’s last words: “You’re too much of a pussy to shoot me.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Brandon Roberts

    why doesn’t gay lives matter to blacklivesmatter? why don’t the lifes of innocent cops matter to blacklivesmatter? their a bunch of self serving brats who only care about their victim complexes and only bring up “police brutality” when it’s a white cop vs a black guy look i don’t hate all black people i do think the lives of black people matter and i’m against racist cops and police brutality but blacklivesmatter hijacked a tornoto pride parade because black people weren’t being represented and there was a float honoring police officers one literally hijacked a vigil for the victims of the orlando shooting and made it all about race they stormed a library and interupted innocent kids who were just trying to study. how can you defend this kind of behavior? if this was a white christian doing this stuff he’d be demonized yet criticism can’t go to blm cause their black screw that garbage they show blatant lack of respect or human decency and they need to be called out (btw if any other group did this and i knew about it i’d react the same way) look there could be some good blm members if you support blm and you don’t condone this or behave this way at all good this rant isn’t for you

    • Iphigenia

      I don’t see how the two causes are mutually exclusive. There are people who are black AND LGBT, after all.

      • Brandon Roberts

        yes there are but blm hijacking a pride parade and taking the focus completely off gay people so they can get attention is inexcuseable and this was a pride parade for gay people of all color gender etc. etc. look there probaly are at least some sane rational supporters of the movement and i’ll gladly help anyone who has faced actual racism

        • Frank

          Of course pride is a sin.

        • Iphigenia

          It was a parade for people of all races and genders, so there was no reason to not include black people. And BLM wasn’t even protesting only on black people’s behalf: some of their demands involved including more Asians and First Nations people. Again, I don’t see the problem with making a movement more inclusive.

          • Brandon Roberts

            it was a pride parade that was already honoring all members of the homosexual community and it was still a terrible thing to do

          • Iphigenia

            How can you honor somebody without making an effort to include them? Sorry, but I’m with the Toronto BLM on this one.

          • Brandon Roberts

            well maybe cause this had nothing to do with blm. and they were including them by having them be a special guest they just weren’t making them the main focus and minorities were included gay ones they just wanted to have a fun day and celebrate who they were but blm had to act like a 3 year old at a birthday party that wasn’t for them and hold it hostage for 30 minutes cause they weren’t the main focus! if blm wanted a black pride event they could have simply had their own. not everything has to include people of all ethnicities and backgrounds. sometimes events can honor one group at a time.

  • infinite wisdom

    Wow….the yet to be determined actions of two police officers got transferred to all White Christians in just one short diatribe filled article. Amazing. Who do you blame when the carnage continues unabated in Chicago, Baltimore, etc by blacks killing other blacks? Oh yeah,,,,White Christians!!!

    I think we are done here. Become reasonable, show some sense, and you won’t have just whack jobs following you.

    • Pennybird

      Do you mean to say you won’t hear a single white Christian blame either one of these victims? Because I already have, and I don’t even know that many.

      • infinite wisdom

        In such a short period of time when facts are few and emotions are inflamed, blame and outrage fling about like mud at a pig catching contest and everyone gets a smattering of it. The smarter ones, of which the author is not one, wait and examine the news as it comes it and starts asking pertinent questions.

    • Obscurely

      May I respectfully ask if you claim to be a Christian?

      • infinite wisdom

        My religious bearing has nothing to do with the article nor my response. It’s an observation of the usual leftist tactic of denouncing an opposition group because of the actions of one or a few.

        • Obscurely

          Your knee-jerk dismissal and racist demeaning of BLM’s legitimate cry for justice makes your voice in this debate IRRELEVANT, sir … thank God you aren’t one of the so-called Christians who are doing the same — Jesus is ALWAYS on the side of the oppressed and dispossessed …

          • infinite wisdom

            Oh my gosh!!! You pulled the race card within one sentence! You know nothing about me but your small mind can’t really cope with anything difficult such as a real issue so you simply went straight to the gutter. Talk about knee jerk. Good for you in that you didn’t try to overreach. Legitimate cry for justice? Only when they can point at a white policeman involved with a black person. They never scream for justice for innocent black children shot by gang members. By the way,,,,just about everyone wants justice to prevail,,,,,but you will note not many are willing to actually wait for facts and instead are content to riot or attack someone or destroy something first,,,,,,kind of a knee jerk reaction. A lot of those people are with BLM. But somehow you don’t think that is a problem because that is what liberals do. You know that right? Riots, civil disobedience, destruction of property and destroying people’s lives are things that liberals and progressives do.

          • Obscurely

            Are you seriously equating murder by citizens (so called ‘black on black’ crime) with murder by agents of the STATE?!? (whether justified or not) — talk about apples and oranges …

          • infinite wisdom

            You really can’t comprehend simple sentences. Now you are on a tangent that introduces a strawman theory of law enforcement authorizing the murdering of people for no reason. What would someone expect when you start out at the lowest level of reason and pull the race card. What a waste of time you are in this discussion.

          • Obscurely

            Interesting that you could only rebut my argument with schoolyard taunts! … I didn’t say the police murder people for no reason, I only said you can’t equate murder by agents of the state (both justified and criminal) and murders of citizens by other citizens …

            Need I remind you it was you who introduced this subject: “Legitimate cry for justice? Only when they can point at a white policeman involved with a black person. They never scream for justice for innocent black children shot by gang members.”

          • infinite wisdom

            you can’t stick within the realm of the discussion. there is no reason to rebut a straw man argument because that is the purpose of making such a statement. you are not only out of your league here you are probably out of your ward.

          • Obscurely

            More insults in reply! — glad to see you’re modelling a high level of discourse here … if you think it’s a straw man argument to say there’s a self-evident difference in kind between the police killing people and civilians killing each other, then I can’t help you …

            I remind you it was you who introduced this subject into ‘the realm of discussion’ when you wrote above — “Legitimate cry for justice? Only when they can point at a white policeman involved with a black person. They never scream for justice for innocent black children shot by gang members.”

            Talk about your straw men …

    • It’s rather sad that you’re frustrated with the article talking about collective responsible for white people (which I have trouble with as well), and then here you are claiming that all black people everywhere should be held collectively responsible for what a minority of sociopaths criminals do

      Ugh. Just…. ugh.

      What if collective responsibility was inherently a problematic idea and we should have more sense of individual responsibility? What about that?

      • infinite wisdom

        Your reading comprehension is lacking. I didn’t connect the victimization of blacks by black people to the whole culture. Remember, it was the article’s author that did that. I simply added to next step that nonsensical people, mainly blacks, use in attributing the debilitating state of affairs within their communities which is to blame racist white people. It is going on now.

        Individual responsibility builds the responsibility of the community as a whole so I agree with that. How is an organization that perpetuates the lie of “Hands up. Don’t shoot” which never occurred, helpful to a community when it completely obfuscates the actions of the criminal, thereby excusing the decisions of the individual, in order to create an agenda that is also misleading? Remember, a whole community was fed incorrect information, on purpose by bystanders and the media and the community reacted in a way that adds credence to the contradiction of your statement. In other words, a community became collectively responsible for the actions of one criminal, Michael Brown because they chose to react instead of think.

    • DX

      Racist bigt tarnishing all black people

      • infinite wisdom

        yeah yeah,,,,,whatever dufus. come back when you grow up and can adult like others.

    • Cmex

      Don’t you know dey dindu nuffin yooz raysis?

  • Obscurely
    • Otto T. Goat

      What a crybaby.

  • kjdjr

    YOU mean the convicted rapist of a FOURTEEN year old girl, you mean the NINETEEN separate arrests, you mean the loving father who was 25,000 dollars plus behind in child support, you mean the convicted felon whose ” friend ” the store owner, who called Police because his ” friend ” had pulled a gun and threatened to MURDER someone, you mean the convicted felon carrying a concealed weapon ( there’s your gun law ) you mean the convicted felon in possession of a stolen firearm, you mean the convicted felon who while armed, resisted arrest with violence, a felony, you mean the convicted felon for violating felony parole, you mean the REPEATEDLY CONVICTED FELON that in the WHOLE article you did not bring up ONCE, YOU MEAN that guy, that repeatedly CONVICTED FELON, the CHILD RAPIST ? You mean the convicted felon who ONLY had to put his hands on the car when ordered to ? YOU MEAN HIM RIGHT ?

    • Obscurely

      Yeah, I definitely mean HIM dewddddd …

    • Christian Chiakulas

      Yes. I do mean him. His life was exactly as precious as yours.

      • DX

        Yep for some black lives don’t matter for some

    • Iphigenia

      “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

      • Cmex

        Well, we’re without felony convictions,so I guess we can.

        • Iphigenia

          I don’t remember a section of the Gospels where Jesus talks about how prisoners are horrible and unworthy of dignity, charity, or forgiveness. Can you cite that passage for me, please?

          • Cmex

            Durak, it’s by analogy. We are without sin in the legal sense. Therefore, we are without sin in this context. Therefore, we may cast the stones.

          • Iphigenia

            That’s a weird distinction to make from a Christian perspective. I mean, Jesus Christ was a convicted felon, and I’m not, so I guess I’m a better person than Jesus by your logic. I guess I’m a durak for Christ.

  • After having read a few of your posts its obvious your brand of ‘Christianity’- for want of a better word- is of the politically revolutionary kind– the kingdom of God is radical because it is different to that of the world not because it equates with progressive ideology but is transformational and spiritual, changing the world one person at a time not through revolution.
    Your brand of radicalism and Christ’s are in no way similar, .

    • Christian Chiakulas

      Strongly disagree

    • IconoclastTwo

      I’m not a Christian at all (but I am black) and I’m probably not saying this the right way to not be a leading question. However, I’ll still ask it anyways:

      Isn’t that sort of praising Christianity precisely to the extent to which it has absolutely no chance of improving the lives of black people en masse? Changing the world one person at a time rests on two extremely dubious assumptions imo:

      1) That by changing people one person at a time the rate at which people are changed exceeds the rate at which people are immiserated, or the degree to which people are willing to compartmentalize and say that they can believe that everyone is their brother or sister on one hand-and then totally ignore that as far as black people are concerned.

      2) That you’re dealing with people who actually want to be changed, or are amenable to change at all. I honestly don’t see any way that slavery in the United States could’ve ended peacefully as just one example.

      • Yes I understand what you saying with regard to the one-person- at-a-time type of change being too slow to have much of an impact. But what if people changed in this manner are in a position themselves to effect change?
        The slave trade in Europe was abolished because of people like William Wilberforce- and many others- who changed individually and teamed-up to effect collective change-becoming leaders of the anti slave trade movement.
        Also if enough people are changed at a time this could have a lasting impact.
        The American leader Martin Luther King – a Christian -changed many peoples ideas even though he faced opposition at first.

  • And you don’t have ‘ownership’ of the word radical i.e. its not only applicable in political terms, irrespective of how often you use it in this context.

  • Obscurely

    An excellent analysis of the structural (vs personal) sources of racism:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/opinion/blood-on-your-hands-too.html