Listen to Crispin Fletcher-Louis

Listen to Crispin Fletcher-Louis June 28, 2016

When I say “listen to” I don't necessarily mean that you should find everything he says convincing. I mean literally listen to him, in this recent podcast interview:

Crispin Fletcher-Louis — Jesus Monotheism, Volume 1

Crispin's paper at the recent Enoch Seminar meeting “John the Jew” was one of the most stimulating, and he's shared it online:

Jesus’ “Equality with God” in John’s Gospel

See also Jim Davila's final reflection on the conference. I am still thinking about a lot of the topics we discussed and conversations that I had, and so there are still quite a number of further posts to come before I am done!

 

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  • John MacDonald

    I think Jesus’ active prayer life in the Gospel of John suggests a certain degree of separation between Jesus and God (since Jesus obviously wasn’t praying to himself).

  • John MacDonald

    I’ve been reading Crispin’s essay. I have a few thoughts:

    1. I think in the Gospel of John Jesus presents himself as being subordinate to God. We read:

    “So they took away the stone. And Jesus looked upwards and said, ‘Father, I thank you for having heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I have said this for the sake of the crowd standing here, so that they may believe that you sent me.'” (John 11:41-42).

    The phrase “you sent me” seems to be Jesus’ way of identifying that he is in a subordinate position to God.

    2. Jesus says it is God’s name, not Jesus’ name, that is to be glorified by his mission. We read:

    “Now my soul is troubled. And what should I say, ‘Father save me from this hour’? No it is for this reason that I have come to this hour. Father, glorify your name.” (John 12:27-28).

    3. I think making Jesus an object of worship equal to God takes away from the selflessness of his mission and the fact that he wanted the glory to be on God. Chapter 17 of John’s gospel is the longest prayer of Jesus recorded in any of the gospels. In this chapter Jesus consecrates himself to the task that lies ahead, not for his sake, but for ours. This prayer of Jesus brings us to a closer understanding of the mind of Jesus, his relationship with God, and his selfless love of those, like us, in his care.

    I think in this regard, Jesus’ prayer life in the Gospel of John provides a window into what John thought of his Christology. Jesus in his prayers is in petition and supplication before God, not equal with God.

    What do others think?

    • I think you’re on the right track here, and that such evidence illustrates that the Gospel of John’s Christology may not be as distant from that of the other NT Gospels as is sometimes claimed.