What You Must Know Before Joining A Spiritual Or Magical Group

What You Must Know Before Joining A Spiritual Or Magical Group January 22, 2018
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What I’m about to post is everything I wish I knew before I had joined my first magical order. Given how many issues I’ve run into and heard of in various spiritual and magical groups and organizations, I find this to be a topic which can benefit many people.


  1. Do research on the group. Look over not just their website but talk to current and ex-members of the group. Find out why people left and what the internet says about them. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. If there were issues in the past, find out how current members are addressing those issues. There’s no such thing as a perfect group with perfect people, but knowing how the group handles that will help you out.
  2.  Be wary of claims made. If they claim to be hundreds and thousands of years old with direct lineage to Jesus Christ, Apollonius of Tyana, Superman, whatever–RUN.
  3. Be wary of costs to join and remain a member. Places that charge an arm and a leg are typically more in it for making money off of the credulous than they are providing genuine spiritual teachings.


Also…if you’re already a member:

  1. If you join and discover that people talk strangely about the leaders, claim that they can “know everything about you”, are above reproach, and ask you not to question their beliefs/ideas/opinions/philosophy, that’s a red flag.
  2. If you join and they tell you who to and not to befriend, RUN.
  3. If they encourage people to not talk to people who have left their group, RUN.
  4. If they tell you certain books and traditions can’t be read or learned because the knowledge will do awful, evil things to your soul, RUN.
  5. Do they put others down for being “fluffy” or not measuring up to their standards? Do they maybe spend TOO much time talking bad about other groups?
  6. Do they spend too much time being serious and taking each other perhaps a bit too seriously?
  7. Do they frown upon mistakes and come down on you if you make any? Are you made to feel uncomfortable for having made them?
  8. Do they frequently enter into heated debates and competition with people that appears to be less than friendly? Do they seem to spend more time online attacking other people versus doing the work?
  9. Do they seem to be “angry” all of the time and encourage doing a lot of Mars and Saturn style workings? Ie., “battling our enemies” and engaging in “magickal/spiritual warfare”, that sort of thing?
  10. Do they scoff at people who want to try certain magicks or spiritual traditions and claim that it’s not possible or it’s too “stupid” or “a waste of time” to try?
  11. Do they encourage “not reading ahead” of your “level” and keep strict hierarchy in both social and business related settings? If so, is it to the point of avoiding even published, readily accessible information that can easily be obtained by virtually anyone?
  12. Do they instill fear in those who have done so, either accidentally or on purpose?
  13. Do they seem to be filled with fear and/or anger at certain sorts of traditions, knowledge, and teachings that they disagree with or is different from their own, not because they legitimately tout hateful and unethical behaviors but because of spiritual, philosophical, and/or religious differences?
  14. Do they tout certain “healing rituals/prayers” for major issues like world peace or hunger, but balk at doing the same amount of healing on themselves or their fellow members?
  15. Do they list a ton of titles in their emails and in their conversations with you? Do they brag about their certificates and accomplishments a great deal? Do they seem very self-absorbed as a whole?
  16. Do they demonstrate a lack of respect towards personal boundaries? Are there people who are typically either dismissed or ignored who behave in an inappropriate way, especially physically, towards other people in the group?
  17. Are they tolerant to a fault, ie. to the point of tolerating intolerance? Are they bad at setting boundaries of what is considered to be acceptable behavior?


Initiatory, magical, and spiritual spaces are meant to be safe spaces, and without establishing a proper code of conduct it is virtually impossible to be able to approach any group and its people with perfect love and perfect trust. While no group exists which has not had its problematic members, how a group handles that and continues to handle that in the future demonstrates its willingness to examine and correct. Beware any group which feels that its leaders and group itself is beyond reproach.

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  • JaneW

    I have a friend who is, or was, involved with a group in which the Leader dictated every single thing they could and could not do and who stressed secrecy and exclusion. I found it really creepy, but all I could do the only time she talked about it at all (against the rules) was to express my dismay regarding the restrictions. She has never spoken to me about it again and I just hope she has found a healthier group to join.

  • Due running afoul aka provoking some less mainstream people I could now write a notch more about the crimes, cover-up-crimes, and narcissistic motives of certain personalities. “When we started we still smiled…”, I guess your notes include a lot already. Below is a text I still had in reserve, needless to say delete my comments at will:

    Stalking & Scapegoating Notes

    Organized stalking methods were used extensively by communist East Germany’s Stasi (state police) as a means of maintaining political control over its citizens. The Stasi referred to the tactics as “Zersetzung” (German for “decomposition” or “corrosion” – a reference to the intended psychological, social, and financial effects upon the victim).

    An organized stalking victim is systematically isolated and harassed in a manner intended to cause sustained emotional torment while creating the least-possible amount of evidence of stalking that would be visible to others. The process is sometimes referred to as “no-touch torture.” Methods are specifically chosen for their lack of easily-captured objective evidence.

    Accomplices – such as neighbors, co-workers, and even friends or relatives of the victim in some cases – are recruited to participate (often unwittingly) by counterintelligence personnel using various means, such as by telling them that the target is a potential threat or that the target is the subject of an “investigation. Or the classic: The target supposedly “has problems” and they are “only trying to help”.” Examples (shortened-list):

    Gang stalking is stalking by several people who know each other and who have the same illegal intent.

    Mobbing is the most familiar type of gang stalking.

    Bullying is also a type of gang stalking when several suspects participate.

    Some crimes like car theft and home invasions are usually preceded by a period of gang stalking.

    Gang stalking is the fastest growing crime.

    1 in 70 people experience gang stalking. 1 in 30 workers experience mobbing at work. 7 in 10 middle school and high school students experience bullying in school.

    Gang stalking occurs frequently in apartment buildings, housing estates, shops, and libraries.

    Gang stalking is also perpetrated by agents of the state, the Mafia, religious sects, and abusive employees infesting utility companies (electricity, gas, water, telephone, cable TV, internet).

    Gang stalking can be so bad that you can never escape some degree of harassment. The harassment is often carried out in a way to blame the victim for the harassment. This is called victim blaming or scapegoating.

    Source: http://www.defeatgangstalking.org/


    Scapegoating is a hostile social – psychological discrediting routine by which people move blame and responsibility away from themselves and towards a target person or group. It is also a practice by which angry feelings and feelings of hostility may be projected, via inappropriate accusation, towards others. The target feels wrongly persecuted and receives misplaced vilification, blame and criticism; he is likely to suffer rejection from those who the perpetrator seeks to influence. Scapegoating has a wide range of focus: from “approved” enemies of very large groups of people down to the scapegoating of individuals by other individuals. Distortion is always a feature.


    First of all build an understanding of what has been going on, not just on the surface, but deeper as well. What is your scapegoater really trying to achieve? You can deepen your knowledge by studying the material on this site. If you concentrate on understanding what is going on between you and whoever is your scapegoateer. Your awareness may help to run down and stop the process. Make it clear that you have spotted the mechanism and that you will talk freely about it until it stops – rather than continue to be available as a scapegoater’s target.” Source: http://www.scapegoat.demon.co.uk/


    Don’t blame yourself or assume that you did anything to deserve the way a person with a Personality Disorder maltreats you.

    Don’t accept scapegoating as normal or allow it just to “go with the flow”.

    Don’t persecute someone else who is being scapegoated. That is participating in abuse.

    Don’t ignore it when someone else is being scapegoated. That is condoning abuse.

    Don’t try to justify your worth by becoming an over-achiever. Don’t work yourself harder to earn the love of a parent or family member. Real love is a free gift; it doesn’t require people to jump through hoops.

    Don’t immediately trust everybody or every organization who offers you validation. Save your trust for people who will treat you well and don’t have a hidden agenda of their own.

    Don’t waste your time and energy trying to change another person’s opinion of you. As painful as it is to admit, you have almost no power or control over another person’s thoughts, words and actions.

    Don’t kill the waste of life in a frenzy. Such psychotic trash is not worth rotting in prison for them.

    Don’t forgive them nor the society which looked away on their numerous crimes against you.


    End the conversation and remove yourself from the room and the house if possible whenever anybody treats you badly.

    Call the police if anybody physically hurts you, threatens or bullies you. If you are young, report it to a responsible caring adult.

    Try to base your own opinion of yourself based on your merits – your own unique strengths and weaknesses – not on other people’s emotions.

    Speak up for what is right when you see injustice. Say it once and then don’t say it again or argue about it. Agree to disagree if necessary. Just saying it once can sometimes help.

    Get support. Find validating and healthy friendships and relationships where people will appreciate your worth and encourage you to be the best that you can be.

    If you are in an employment situation, you might want to try to find an alternate position or another group or employer.

    If you are the recipient of inequitable treatment, politely decline the favor and request inclusion of your peers.


    Why people participate in Gang Stalking

    -Some stalkers are told lies, either positive or negative in nature, in order to gain their participation
    -Some stalkers are paid or receive other benefits
    -Stalkers belonging to an organization may simply be following orders.
    -Some stalkers may use their participation in order to repay a past favor.
    -Peer Pressure/ Need to Fit In
    -Former stalkers have stated they participated out of fear of becoming
    the next target should they go against the group.
    -Entertainment Value/Thrill of Participation in an Illegal activity.
    -Nearly all willing stalkers have a cult/satanic or luciferian group affiliation
    -Some are controlled like puppets(flipping the switch)

    Tactics used by Stalkers

    Tactics of Predatory Gangstalking include highly coordinated surveillance (hidden cameras, conversation bugging in private as well as public), harassment, and psychological, psychosocial, financial, and sometimes physical assaults on an individual by a large group of people who are often strangers to the targeted individual.


    Anchoring is a technique employed by stalkers to implant a false motivation or reason behind the stalking, preventing the victim from discovering the truth. In more sinister examples, Anchoring involves the implantation of evidence to persuade the victim some other group or organization is responsible for the abuse.


    The term “Baiting” is a stalking tactic used to lure or provoke a victim into environments, or situations, which cause further problems to the victim. Often “Baiting” involves tricking a victim into committing a crime or unknowingly engaging in an illegal activity such as assault. They trick the victim into thinking an innocent bystander is the culprit of their harassment and try to compel the victim into assaulting the person.


    Brighting is a term jokingly referred to by stalkers to indicate the practice of repetitive flashing of a car’s high-beam headlights. The victim is usually followed and may be “flashed” from either a “tail-gating” vehicle or a passing or on-coming one. “Brighting” also occurs when bright lights are flashed into a victim’s home-windows.

    Electronic Harassment

    Electronic Harassment is the use of technological devices to spy on or cause harm to targeted victims. For example, exposure to a high magnetic field has been shown to induce hallucinations in humans while exposure to intense microwave radiation induces psychotic episodes and causes brain damage.

    A frequent form of Electronic Harassment involves beaming a low frequency “hum” or “tone” into a victim’s home or general area. Over time, the exposure causes the victim to lose sleep, become agitated, and suffer the effects of prolonged stress. Such tactics are also being used in cases of hostage situations as well as covert government operations. These forms of magnetic fields can be caused by technological or psycho-socially-criminal means.


    The term Ghosting refers to the practice of rearranging, or moving, of a victim’s home furniture, lawn decorations, desk decorations at work, etc. The purpose of Ghosting is to make a victim question his or her sanity. Ghosting is also designed to make other’s question the sanity of the victim, especially if the victim attempts to complain about the abuse.


    Mimicry is a specialized form of harassment in which the stalkers publicly imitate every movement made by the victim. This shows an aspect of the trickster. It is a manifestation of the true source of the stalking.


    Mobbing is a term that describes “Group Bullying”. Of itself, Mobbing is not equated with gang stalking. However, Mobbing may be a tactic used by the perpetrators of gang Stalking.

    “Flash mobbing” is an event occurring when a targeted individual is spotted in society. Their photo and location is immediately and simultaneously sent out by cell phone text messages and Internet email to all gangstalkers within a certain radius. All gangstalkers then suddenly descend upon the target as a mob.

    Noise Campaign

    A Noise Campaign is an orchestrated effort to produce stress in a victim through prolonged exposure to significant noise levels. A Noise Campaign can range from multiple neighbors routinely playing loud music, individual stalkers with air-horns or fireworks, or organized “repair work” that involves a high level of noise.


    Sensitization is a psychological term referring to the forced association between a stimulus and a corresponding reaction. Stalkers use Sensitization to psychologically abuse a victim. For example, if a stalker constantly harasses a victim while wearing a blue baseball cap, then overtime the victim will begin to believe anyone wearing a blue baseball cap is a stalker and is coming to harass. Sensitization undoubtedly creates an extreme level of fear in a victim, in direct fulfillment of the intentions of the stalkers.

    Street Theater

    Street Theater is a term used to describe the odd-actions and behaviors that stalkers do in public, in an attempt to rile the victim.Such behavior often borders on the extremely bizarre and is aimed at a blurring of the boundaries between reality and fantasy in the minds of the victims.
    Examples of Street Theater: Baiting, Brighting, Color Harassment, Convey, Directed Conversation, Ghosting, Mimicry, Noise Campaigns, etc.

    Variations of Gang Stalking


    The term Gas-Lighting originates from the 1944 film Gaslight. In the movie, the character of Gregory Anton, played by actor Charles Boyer, attempts to drive the character Pauline, played by actress Ingrid Bergman, insane. The phrase Gas-Lighting has come to mean similar actions and behavior, as used in the film, against a victim.
    “The White Glove treatment”

    “The White Glove Treatment” is slang for Gang Stalking as jokingly referred to by the Masons who either participate in, or know of its usage against so-called “Enemies of Freemasonry”.

    [Note: The phrase “The White Glove Treatment” is not limited to Freemasonry, as members of similar groups and organizations often practice Gang Stalking.)

    Ritual Gangstalking

    Reportedly performed by cults and secret organizations such as Satanists, secret orders of free masons, some voodoo /obeah practitioners and Scientologists as a means of control or for punishment. “Ritual abuse” is incorporated into “ritual gangstalking” patterns in this case.


    A situation where an individual is identified to be a target through Internet participation and their personal identity is determined. Cybergangstalkers pierce the electronic veil and are able to enter into the real life of a person, creating all forms of harassment, theft, psychological operations including slander and libel, and able to commit crimes against the targeted individual.

    I will cover more information about this subject and other related topics in future articles. If you or someone you know are victims of gangstalking or any other form of malevolent harassment, feel free to contact us. We are here to help.


    After an onslaught of harassment and accusations from 2002 to 2015 my life lay in ruins. But I didn’t. While right yesterday someone told my to cut the ateria in my throat AFTER resting my head on a railway (to behead me IF bleeding out fails) I still don’t feel that eager to give-up. I loved life, never made the mistake of giving a BEEP about other people’s demands on me. I guess the majority of people will not be able to understand how lethargic, antagonistic, and incompetent German Law tends to be. Still after my stalkers first major triumph, my first winter as urban homeless, I can only say: Forget the legal bullshit – strike to kill!