Why Jesus Says He Is The Only Way To Heaven

Jesus Himself said that He is the One and only way to the Father, so why do so many object to this?

God Cannot Lie

I don’t’ think it’s ever been “politically correct” to say that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, but it is correct nonetheless. Jesus Himself said it, and the Bible teaches that there is only one way, only through one Person, that any of us can be saved (Acts 16:30-31). And since Jesus is God, and God cannot lie, our hope in Jesus Christ, and His many promises are yes and amen (John 6:37-39, 10:27-29). It is in Him who we place our trust and have our “hope of eternal life, which God, who never lies, promised before the ages began” (Titus 1:2), so “it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us” (Heb 6:18). When God promises eternal life to all who believe (John 3:16-17; Rom 10:9-13), it’s not a hope-so faith but a know-so faith. Since it says so in the Word God, we believe it, and we know that “God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it” (Num 23:19)?

Only One Way

Just before Jesus went to the cross to give His life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45) and to eventually return to the Father in heaven, told His disciples, don’t’ be troubled, because “if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. And you know the way to where I am going” (John 14:3-4), but Thomas had doubts and said, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way” (John 14:5), so Jesus says to Thomas, and to all of us, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). Jesus never said He is one of many ways or one of many truths and one of many ways to eternal life but rather, as Peter said, “there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). There is no wiggle room to this at all. It is 100% conclusive that Jesus is the one and only way to the Father or into the kingdom and not one of several other ways. God cares not that humans think it’s a narrow-minded way of thinking or that it doesn’t seem fair. I am just glad that God has provided a way.

Jesus

There is a Way

Many who believe that Jesus Christ is the One and only way into the kingdom are sometimes told that it’s being narrow-minded but they don’t stop to think about it. They criticize believers who say that Jesus is the one and only way to the Father, but these are not their own words. This is Jesus Himself speaking, so either Jesus is lying or He is spot on and there is absolutely no other way to heaven than through Him, so it is only “through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father” (Eph 2:18). The door that leads to eternal life must necessarily lead through Jesus Christ, Who said, “I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture” (John 10:9), so whoever “does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber” (John 10:1), so it’s impossible for them to enter the kingdom without Christ. They, like everyone else, must repent and believe the gospel, so says Christ (Mark 1:14-15). How many can come to the Father outside of Christ? Zero, as Jesus says “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day” (John 6:44). No one can come to Him unless the Father draws them to Christ. No one, no matter what anyone says or any other religion claims, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father” (John 6:65). Again, no one can to Christ unless the Father draws them, and no one can enter the kingdom without trust in Christ, so no person ever born (save for Christ) or as yet to be born can enter the kingdom without trusting in Christ.

Conclusion

If you do not believe what Jesus said, that He is the one and only way to the Father (John 6:44), and there is no other way possible to be saved (Acts 4:12), and that Jesus alone is the truth, the life, and the way (John 14:6), then you presently have the wrath of God abiding on you (John 3:36b), but if you believe this, Jesus reminds us, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this” (John 11:25-26)? Rejecting Jesus is rejecting the only hope you have and it’s not that you cannot choose to believe…you will not (Rom 1:18-20), as Christ told the self-righteous Jews that the Scriptures “bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life” (John 5:39b-40).

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is host of Spiritual Fitness and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • pud

    “jesus himself said”…NO HE DID NOT. He wrote nothing, said nothing, did nothing, left nothing. The most important figure in all history left SQUAT! Odd don’t you think? No name authors wrote a story that said he said or did this or that. Authors you know absolutely nothing about who were religious lunatics in a time of extreme ignorance and apocalyptic insanity.

    YOU KNOW NOTHING OF THE SORT…you can demonstrate nothing to be actually true. You worship a book written by people you know nothing about who didn’t even live at the time in question.

    There is NO evidence that any jesus existed and NO evidence that anything you babble as “gospel” is in fact true.

    Your “jesus” is one of a thousand lunatics making claims about the divine none of which have EVER been demonstrated as true. Your mythical jesus is no different than the insane psychotic preaching the end is near on a subway platform.

    You can offer NO evidence for anything you’ve built your entire delusional life around…not one shred.

    That is surreal

    • Doug Barron

      Yes, Puddles you are indeed surreal.

      • pud

        Not an argument…try one for a change…I dare you. I challenge you to rebut anything I write…waiting…

        • thushjz

          Here, argue with this guy, former rabid atheist and editor at the Chicago Tribune turned Christian unless of course your too scared…https://www.amazon.com/Case-Christ-Journalists-Personal-Investigation/dp/0310339308#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1500920610037

          • pud

            LOL a total nitwit and fraud with piss poor arguments that are easily dismantled…I dare you to watch it

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j60-eK5sfwk&list=PL8B722E1FA8681B70

          • thushjz

            you can go watch his movie about his conversion while trying to debunk Christianity in august…it’s on dvd. but you’re too chicken to I can tell…the only fraud here is you, projecting your immense hate for people you don’t even know…like I said, you got an itch you can’t scratch, thats why you’re here…

          • pud

            I’ve read his book..it is easily debunked nonsense. Watch Shives…takes him apart piece by piece so that no rational person could think otherwise

          • Tom Moberg

            Pud, God has NOTHING to do with religion. Make sure you understand that prior to your online temper tantrums and childlike outbursts.

            You are obviously extremely angry about this because you’re venting like a 13 year old kid who got his video game taken away. If people want to believe in Christ, let them. It’s non of your business and has zero effect on you.

            Maybe you should get a hobby. Sounds like you have to much time on your hands trying to deter Christians from Jesus. You must have the IQ of a spoon.

          • pud

            Idiocy by an obvious idiot…tell you what tom…as soon as you can demonstrate that either your deity or satan exists I’ll pray to one or both..waiting..

          • Tom Moberg

            And as soon as you can prove they don’t exist i’ll eat every word I just said. The true fool here is you and the funny thing is…you know it.

          • pud

            More proof of stupid…Sane people do not believe shit because someone can’t disprove their nonsense…can you disprove elves, pixies, gnomes, trolls, leprechans, bigfoot, alien abductions and the loch ness monster? OH so they too must exist eh?

          • Tom Moberg

            The loch ness monster, gnomes, pixies or elves never claimed to be the son of God. That’s the difference. The whole concept of Christ is based on faith alone. Your brain has zero comprehension of this so no matter what i tell you or explain to you it will never make sense with your outlook. True closed minded ignorance on your part.

          • pud

            LOL…Many have claimed that title if you ever did any real research. Claiming psychotic things don’t make them true and no one name of jesus ever said ANYTHING! Your story book says he said this or that…no name authors said he said…who was there to write it down? You cannot even get as far as 1st base by demonstrating that anyone name of jesus existed let alone actually was who he might have claimed himself to be. You KNOW nothing..you are a gullible fool who probably believes almost anything!

          • Tom Moberg

            So what do you believe, Pud?

            Try to do this without name calling and caps.

          • pud

            Nothing. I don’t “believe” anything. I accept certain propositions to degrees of certainty based upon the evidence. I follow where the evidence leads…not crowds, not ideologies, not one of the 10,000 gods you fools have created…only what the evidence says until it is shown otherwise or improved or disproved. That is what rational people do

          • Tom Moberg

            Fair enough. So why do you put this amount of effort to stop believers from having a relationship with Jesus?

            Why would you willingly waste your time and get so worked up over something you don’t even believe in? To me that actually sounds illogical or inefficient.

          • pud

            You CANNOT have a “relationship” with an invisible non entity! Hello? It’s all in your head! Only psychotics and small children have invisible friends.

            I fight you because you are dangerous! You vote! You suppress knowledge and progress! You’re bigots and homophobes! You lie to children and propagate falsehoods.

            You are my enemy…you are the enemy of civilization as your long bloody history proves…you are the enemy of human progress…there has NEVER been a benevolent theocracy in all of history…I have to prevent you from ever gaining that power again

          • Tom Moberg

            That is not why you do this, don’t kid yourself. You do this because you know deep down there is something to this and you are confused (obviously) about it so instead of opening your mind you fight with vulgar words and insults because it’s all you know. If anything I just feel badly for the time you waste and the clear lack real social interaction you probably face daily.

            Jesus is very real. I’ve seen his work first hand. All you have is your opinion based on your interpretation of salvation. I’ve seen his work first hand and have seen him change many lives with my own eyes.

            Tell you what, Pud. Before you go to sleep every night say a little chant to Satan. Pray to him and talk to him every night before you close those angry eyes and mean every word. If you keep knocking on that door you will get your answer. I just wish I could see your face as you shit yourself, drop to your knees and beg for forgiveness.

          • pud

            LOL! There is nothing to any of the 10,000 gods and faiths mankind has invented through the ages. Everything you spout can be proven wrong. I don’t side with delusional people who have no respect for what is actually true.

            Can your strawman arguments..they are pitiful

            You have NEVER seen anything attributable to any “jesus” you are self deluded. Peoples lives change all the time but you can’t possibly demonstrate the work of a deity….a deity who by the way lets children die by the thousands every day even as he “heals” your friends hang nail. You have no sense of proportion and no critical thinking skills

            I don’t “chant” to any stupid mindless made up invisible creatures, I’m an adult

            You’re insane

          • Tom Moberg

            No, insanity would fall on you. The person arguing with people about something he doesn’t even believe in, in the first place. What a joke.

          • pud

            LOL You don’t see me mumbling to invisible friends in the sky or “believing” every manner of disprovable nonsense do ya?

            I destroy your arguments and your ridiculous religion which poisons everything…that’s what I do…amazingly well

          • Tom Moberg

            No, you didn’t “destroy” anything. Same atheist non-sense as usual. You wonder why atheists aren’t respected or taken seriously anymore. Keep perpetuating the stereotype, pud.

            You can’t even use a comma properly. Instead you use “…” it’s safe to say you don’t do much of anything amazing well.

          • pud

            DEMONSTRATE one single thing I’ve written to be incorrect or one single thing you’ve babbled to be true…JUST ONE!

            Why can’t you or any of your delusional cultists EVER do that?

          • Tom Moberg

            Everything you said is incorrect. You think we live on this earth by a freak accident or by luck. You think God and religion are linked together when they are not.

            All of what you said is your own opinion. Period

          • pud

            Hahahahhaha!! Name one religion without a god…waiting…

            Tell me how your specific deity called forth a universe from nothing via a magical incantation….waiting…do tell us all the physics behind this god magic too while you’re at it.

            Just because you are stupid and uneducated doesn’t mean “god did it” duh!

          • Miranda

            ‘Name one religion without a god’ – Buddhism and Taoism?

          • pud

            Not religions stupid. It’s obvious that you’re not very bright or you would answer direct questions and be able to construct rational arguments to defend your position and knock mine down…You can’t

          • pud

            re·li·gion
            rəˈlijən/
            noun
            the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
            “ideas about the relationship between science and religion”
            synonyms: faith, belief, worship, creed; More

          • Miranda

            That is an oversimplification, even anthropologists can’t fully agree on a definition of religion. for want of one better wikipedia ‘Religion is any cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, ethics, or organizations, that relate humanity to the supernatural or transcendental.’ It doesn’t have to be about God, as Tom made clear – in fact you’re constant comments could be considered a religious activity, given the zeal with which you put them up. Actually your comments remind me of a kind of ‘puddle’ (a cute name from Mr. Barron) prayer, they all say the basic same thing in slightly different words, offered to the object of your religion, Pastor Wellman upon whom you’ve externalized your internal pain.

          • pud

            It’s a stupid non point…everything on this stupid site is “god” related…end of story

          • Miranda

            ‘Everything on this stupid site is ‘god’ related’ wow a Christian site about God! who would’ve thought. Nothing here is more religious than you puddle pie.

          • pud

            Wrong as always! I’m determined not religious. Only fools “believe” nonsense without EVIDENCE which you cannot define or provide

          • Tom Moberg

            See, another typical atheist comment. How can you base my education level and IQ on this conversation. Perfect example of how basic you actually are.

          • Miranda

            The great irony of Mrs(?) puddles is despite claiming to be rational he/she behaves like a child, and asks for evidence it will never accept. I think this person has been posting abuse and half concocted arguments so long they have come to believe their own posts as Gospel truth…almost religiously abusing Pastor Wellman’s blog in the biggest irony of all. Good on you Tom for challenging this person…unfortunately as the Pastor has said, they are too far gone to even comprehend any logical challenge or realise how angry and out of control they are.

          • pud

            DEFINE “EVIDENCE” I dare you to

            Give ONE piece of “evidence” that meets the generally accepted definition that you’ve ever provided

            Waiting as usual

          • Miranda

            Keep pushing the goal posts back puddles (that name is so cute! i imagine you like an angry muppet – like Oscar the grouch!), you’re already off the reservation first you want evidence then you want people to justify what evidence is! Still praying for you you lovable little grouch.

          • pud

            See? Another epic FAIL! You fail every time! You can’t do it…You cannot define terms and you cannot provide a stitch of actual evidence….You’re a loser…you’ve lost…you’ll always lose because you don’t care about what is true!

          • pud

            Yeah stupid…you HAVE to define terms so that idiots like you don’t get to make up their own definitions! Hello?

            DEFINE EVIDENCE….then give me just one piece that fits a proper accepted definition of evidence

            You’ll fail again as always

          • pud

            DEFINE “LOGICAL” and then show where you’ve EVER presented a logical argument against my critiques or for your delusional claims…waiting as always

          • Tom Moberg

            I have already explained to you I have seen the work of Christ in my own life and many others. This is my proof. Can you see it, no, but again I can’t see your brain, so by your logic you shouldn’t even have a brain.

          • pud

            Demonstrate that what you thought actually was…Just because you believe in your ignorance that some invisible deity cured your alcohol abuse is NOT proof. It’s personal interpretation exactly the same as alien abduction explaining some other idiots “experience”

            You can see my brain. It can be x-rayed, cut out and put on display, measured, tested for etc

            You’re not very bright…I’ll be moving on now

          • Tom Moberg

            Again, I can;t see your brain right now. So by YOUR logic you must have no brain. See what I did there. loool. It’s best you move on.

          • pud

            You genuinely are stupid…bye bye

          • Tom Moberg

            And your are genuinely ignorant and closed minded. Adios

          • Tom Moberg

            I do love how you are giving this your best efforts, though. You can really tell your trying your very hardest. Funny Sh!t

          • pud

            DEMONSTRATE through a rational argument that one single thing I’ve written is incorrect or argue that one single thing you’ve babbled is actually true. Show your work! SHOW IT! Flex your intellectual muscle for all to see! Show where I’m wrong and you’re right….TRY!

          • Tom Moberg

            Luckily your just an internet troll. In real life you wouldn’t be able to prevent me from doing anything. Little boy.

          • pud

            Not an argument tough guy…lol

          • Tom Moberg

            Still valid. Troll.

          • pud

            Not valid stupid dolt…I don’t attempt to “make” anyone do anything….I appeal to the one brain cell you might still have active…I obviously failed with you or that cell has long since died. You’re pathetic…not even a worthy opponent. You’ve demonstrated nothing other than you’re a simple minded bumpkin like so many others in your silly death blood cult

          • Oliver

            The demoniacs have no logic. They cannot prove they are humans.

          • Oliver

            D|ck is driven by a demon who never stops. Unrelenting hold on someone that may have been a human once.

          • Oliver

            T,
            She cannot prove she exists in any other form than that of a harpy, banshee.

          • Oliver

            In the devil. The demon in him follows satan. D|ck has no self-control. No longer human.

          • pud

            How about instead of puking up the same old tired lines or ridiculous quotes from your book you actually pick something I’ve stated and SHOW how it is incorrect….how about that? Try? Watch what happens next

          • pud

            How about DEMONSTRATING a single one of your absurd supernatural claims are TRUE? Try that and fail miserably…you can’t…you won’t even try…it would be devastating to you to actually have to support your claims with actual evidence as your whole world view would go up in a puff of smoke and you would prove to yourself that you’re a gullible fool taken for a ride

          • Oliver

            D|ck’s brain is void. The demon in he/she/it is active. There is no human left.

          • Oliver

            T,
            She exists? She must be a figment of our imaginations. Sigh… she cannot prove she exists. No matter how much she raves. Prove you exist harpy. Please send us your proof that you aren’t a demon. You can’t! Sound familiar?

          • pud

            What stupid nonsense.

          • Tom Moberg

            If you want Proof Jesus exists than instead of sitting on a thread “trying” to rip Christians apart you should try reaching out to Jesus himself.

            You saying there is no God is like buying medicine for a flu, not taking it, and then claiming it doesn’t work.

            Your anger is with Jesus, not man. So go to Jesus directly.

          • pud

            Hahahhahahaha! if he doesn’t exist there’s nothing to reach out to! You really are a simpleton aren’t you?

          • pud

            We test medicines for their efficacy …we know they work because we can verify them, they are real physical objects and we can also “falsify” them….but that’s a big word for you that I won’t bother explaining

          • pud

            If you want proof that Oden is the one true god you should try reaching out to him….LOL…arguing with another nit wit…too funny

          • Oliver

            Tom absolutely. He is Jesus’ enemy. Ironically this demon possessed creature can only be saved by The Righteous only. The very Savior he/she/it d|ck attacks.

          • Oliver

            Tom, absolutely correct. Christianity is not religion.

            Religion is vacuous meanderings of demoniacs ritualistic and repetitive. Pud/D|ck is following his father of liars, thieves, and murderers. He/she/it fancies himself a little god. Excessive compulsive who cannot seem to help he/she/it break the pattern of hatred and spewing. A creature not even human.

          • Oliver

            PUD and his cohorts know nothing of God but they do have their religion as they follow their father. Sad thing is they don’t even know they are doing so.

          • pud

            You know nothing about me or my motiviations…as a cult member you’re highly skilled at make believe

          • Jack Wellman

            Poor pud…she doesn’t really come here to learn but to attack and attacks the Bible which she has no knowledge of. Her hate is just a sign that she is hurting and takes it out on others. Praying for her soul. She only exists here to grind her ax against things that convict her of her sin.

          • pud

            There is NOTHING to learn..hello? You peddle fiction. I’ve read your book…several times…I KNOW the history of your cult, how your “god” was INVENTED! I know all about the evolution of faiths around the world…they are all man made stories..I’ve debunked every claim you’ve ever made. You’ve NEVER rebutted anything I’ve ever written…why’s that jack?

          • pud

            Address my arguments coward! Strawman arguments are a dime a dozen…SHOW THAT I”M WRONG and that you’re right! Do it! Don’t hide! Stop being a wimp! Prove me wrong!

          • Oliver

            Indeed Jack. Harpy is she.

          • pud

            Not an argument…Try one for a change…take me on…show that you’re right and I’m wrong…I dare you to try

          • JRene

            No. Pud is no harpy. Your religion is the problem. A big one.

          • Oliver

            Christianity is NOT a religion. Useless babble such as yours is religion. Ritual persecution is religion. Love is Christianity. I dust my sandals of you. May God have mercy on you. I will pray for you and appropriately mark your comments. They are spam on a Christian Pastor’s article. Your agenda God may correct. Useless to dialogue with you further. Expect no response from me at all. I turn you over to God. Perhaps he will soften your heart be it His will.

          • Jason Beaver

            Christianity is not a religion? Then pray tell, what is it exactly?

          • Oliver

            inappropriate, spam, reported
            Christianity is a relationship with a loving God.
            It is not rote, repetitious, ritualization practiced by non-believers.
            No further comment

          • Jason Beaver

            You’re reporting me for asking a question? LOL … Whenever a religionist like you denies that their religion is a religion, I take it as a tacit admission that religion is stupid. And so it is. Thanks for giving us such a vivid example.

          • Oliver

            I am a Biblical Christian.

            NOT one who relies on religion such as atheism which is useless and void of all compassion.
            Full of ritualized excessive compulsive comments are non-believers.
            That is religion.
            You practice religion.
            Christians pity such as yourself still lost in your sins.

            Marked once again.
            Expect no further answer.

            I will pray for you and dust my sandals as I am required to do as one who knows The Way, The Truth, and The Life.
            May God have mercy on you as He did me.
            I was once lost too.

          • Jason Beaver

            Hmm, so much for “no further comment.” So let’s see, not only is your religion not a religion, but atheism (the disbelief in religious claims) is a religion! Amazing… Yes thank you, no further answer will be just fine. You have nothing of value to share.

          • Atheism is not a religion. It believes in no religion as it finds almost zero evidence for God’s existence.

            Evangelical Christianity is a religion. You go to church, don’t you? Your church likely has rituals even if it says it has no rituals. The pastor or church or church members hold to certain doctrines to be members, don’t they? How are you not a religionist?

          • Oliver

            Atheism is indeed a religion.
            Useless babble and ritualization.
            Believing the lies they are little gods.
            They worship lucifer and have no idea they are doing so.
            Now that IS religion.
            Do a search here:
            https://www.duckduckgo.com
            “atheism is religion”
            Evangelical TV charlatans are NOT Christian.
            Evangelical is not in the Bible.
            They are frauds.
            Evangelicals in the mega post modern falsehoods are NOT Christians.
            Wolves in sheep’s clothing.
            The very people Jesus is against and was against when He was on earth.
            I will not answer you further.
            It is useless to do so.
            You are self-deluded.
            Only Jesus may save you.
            Nothing I can do or say will change this.
            Nor will I try.
            This is not my “job.”
            My task as one who follows The Way is to proclaim the Gospel and spread the Seed in the field.
            This is all faithful Christians joint responsibilities.
            I will pray for you however that God the Father if it is in His will and plan for you to wake you up.
            Only God knows His children and knows all hearts whether they believe He exists or not.
            Enough.
            You are marked.
            I will not dialogue further.
            A big waste of time.
            Precious allotted to me here on this earth as a Child of God.
            You are marked.

          • you are ignorant of atheism. There is no belief that atheists are little gods nor that they worship Lucifer. We don’t follow a non existent person. What rituals do atheists follow. None!

          • D.M.S.

            All atheist worship Satan they’re just to ignorant to know it. Just like the Muslims, and Buddhist, also to ignorant to know that they worship Satan.

          • JRene

            Hmm. Touched a nerve? You seem testy. Is it because you are incapable of addressing points made with logic and reason as opposed to arrogant cliches, like “dusting off your Jesus sandals”? Get a grip, man. This is not spam, thus the discussion is allowed to continue. This is a discussion forum, period.

          • Oliver

            inappropriate, spam, reported

          • JRene

            You are plain wrong. Pud disagrees with you and presents arguments which you never address. Ever. It’s frustrating to Pud and frustrating to read.

          • pud

            Thank you for acknowledging what is only too obvious to see…for rational people that is. The pastor is terrified to address my comments. He knows that if he engaged me that he’d be left holding an empty sack so he hides and simply floods the pages with ever more nonsense.

          • Oliver

            Pud presents nothing. Pud never supports his/her/its d|ck comments with facts. Only lies and hate spewing. Clearly one who is inhabited by one or more demon. D|ck is a clanging cymbal signifying NOTHING. Void and vacuous. Your association and agreement with D|ck goes against you. You are marked inappropriate. Take your comments elsewhere. Write your own devil worshipping articles.

          • JRene

            Olly, calm yourself. People debate, and your religion lends itself to just that. Such irony. Typing insults at me while espousing to be a Christian–are Christians supposed to insult and alienate? No. Hypocrisy much?

          • Oliver

            inappropriate, personal, reported
            Christianity is not religion

          • Christianity is a religion. It has rituals, dogmas and church services. It’s just as much a religion as Islam is.

          • Oliver

            T,
            Sad isn’t it?

          • Oliver

            T,
            I have found the demanders and shouters here no matter how many proofs you present the harder they fight like ravenous dogs and refuse to read any suggested sources. Yet they keep beating their hollow drum of hate saying present us proof. We do… it repeats. I mark their posts as inappropriate and when they come after me in a threatening manner to my person the choice is personal harassment. Then use down arrow. I go in and out of block user. No sense engaging the enemy that spews evil. They will continue in their own ruin without a direct supernatural intervention from God. What a sad twisted existence they slog through. So much to pity.
            Spam and wasted lives.

          • pud

            You and them have NEVER presented either a rational argument or one stitch of evidence for your fantasy delusion …not one, not ever.

          • Farris Mosley

            It’s called (FAITH), Either you have it or you don’t. You can no more prove there is no God than we can prove there is.

          • pud

            “Faith” is not something any intelligent person would admit to. It is THE most dishonest position anyone can hold. It is the same as gullibility where you simply “believe” something without requiring evidence to support the truth of a claim. Idiots “believe” Fools “believe” Rational people demand evidence and follow where it leads. “Faith” is ignorance and stupidity…it’s blindly swallowing what someone else has put forward. If it were true you wouldn’t need “faith” you would have knowledge.

            See what a dummy you are yet?

          • pud

            And I most certainly can prove that your deity does not and cannot exist…take the challenge! Not a one of you has ever dared!

            Define your god

            Define exist

            Then I’ll prove just how gullible ignorant and dimwitted you are.

            Try it! I dare you!

          • pud

            Can you PROVE that people weren’t abducted by aliens? Can you PROVE a china tea pot isn’t circling Jupiter? See how stupid and infantile your comments are?

            The person who makes the positive claim carries the burden of PROOF. It’s up to you to PROVE that what you “believe” is actually true.

            Think before you type

          • Oliver

            Faith is just that. Can others discern that? Yes, consistent good fruits.
            Farris your comments do not deserve moderation. Obviously you are being targeted by the demoniacs. I support you. Mark the demoniacs and don’t bother responding. You are wasting your time. Only God the Father can reach them if He so choses. You have done your part. Do not cast pearls before swine. Mark the persecutors and move on.

          • Oliver

          • Really Oliver! don’t you need to visit your psychiatrist? Aren’t you seeing invisible (non-existent) demons everywhere?

          • pud

            Do tell about “supernatural intervention” will you?

          • Farris Mosley

            Pud : would have us to believe in one lunatic’s writing in the 17th century, than the 40 or so writers of the Bible over a period of 1,500 years.

          • pud

            No gullible one…I would have you “believe” in nothing but have you follow where the evidence leads.

            “Belief” is the most ignorant dishonest position one can have. Every “belief” not backed up by evidence is as good as the next. Belief in your imaginary deity is exactly equal to belief in all of the 9999 deities that preceded yours.

            Have you ever had a rational critical thought in your entire life?

          • Oliver

            Agreed. Demoniacs have hate filled words. Up arrow!

          • Oliver

            T,
            Excellent book. Thanks for posting the link.
            Unfortunately the 4 people who need to read this the most here most probably (not discounting miracles) never read, Especially the two who are threatening and twisted.
            The book presents proof that even an atheist caught in their religion of lucifier if the demons in their minds are exorcised could then see the proof of the absolute reality of I AM.

  • pud

    This summarizes the entire ugliness of your delusional “belief” system that you’ve modeled your entire life around…

    “If you do not believe what Jesus said, that He is the one and only way to the Father (John 6:44), and there is no other way possible to be saved (Acts 4:12), and that Jesus alone is the truth, the life, and the way (John 14:6), then you presently have the wrath of God abiding on you”

    Your “all loving god” holding a gun to your head! Believe or else!

    Nothing could be more sick, evil, wicked, twisted and deranged. Only gangsters and psychotics give ultimatums that mean nothing to hostages. Only fools can’t see through the empty acceptance of a forced life or death decision.

    If an eternal deity has no reason for being for all of time than to get billions of humans to “believe” in him…he is one sick egomaniacal infantile “god” Worse!…if this is his only reason for being despite enjoying the void of eternity just fine without us, he is evil beyond description to be in hiding all these centuries since some ancient jews invented him! That’s right…INVENTED him. A benevolent if ego centric deity would at the least show up once in a while, write his name in the stars, write a new book! Show up on some talk show or send everyone an email…but NOOOOO! “He” remains invisible and undetectable…the very same definition as NON EXISTENT!

    Further…If “jesus” is “god” then what sense does him being the one and only way to himself? Why is cruelty, murder, arson, rape, slavery all fine so long as one “believes” but the HORRIBLE crime of not “believing” is unforgivable? Why would an all powerful creator of the universe care if anyone “believed” on shitty and non existent evidence some blood filled cosmic drama filled with slaughter and genocide at the whim of said deity? NOTHING you say is rational…nothing adds up, nothing makes sense, all of it is deranged mental gymnastics of a fully indoctrinated cult member who long ago surrendered his critical faculties

    It is you sir who others should feel sorry for. You’ve been had. You’ve wasted your entire life.

    • thushjz

      Your hate is palpable…

      • pud

        Not an argument…why don’t you try to rebut what I wrote instead of imagining my mindset? Because you CAN’T can you?

      • pud

        Do you approve of lying to children? Indoctrinating the gullible into a cult? Propagating falsehoods and absurdities? Retarding the advancement of humanity? Do you?

        • thushjz

          I dont know about that…but i do know that your hate is obvious to everyone but you..my own son, born at 2 pounds 24 years ago and spent 3 months in intensive care, I raised as a strong Christian…he has autism (aspergers), and a 4 year college degree and I’m playing the music at his wedding in September. Id say thats pretty successful….

          • pud

            I raised an aspergers boy too. So what? Has nothing to do with your delusional cult. Try making a rational argument against what I actually write rather than your imaginary perception of my mindset

          • pud

            How can you NOT know if you hate those things? Are you slow?

          • pud

            Indoctrinating a child into your cult is child abuse. Filling their heads with demonstrable falsehoods is child abuse. Telling a child what to think instead of how to think is child abuse.

          • Jack Wellman

            Wow….glory to God and credit to you!

          • pud

            “god” could have prevented the autism but didn’t. You’re sick

          • thushjz

            thank you pastor jack…

          • Bruce Robertson

            Thank you thushjz for giving the internet another fine example of a straw man argument!

            Fortunately Christianity doesn’t usually prevent college degrees (but sometimes does, such as the Exclusive Brethren), and doesn’t usually prevent marriage (although would you allow one of your children to marry a Muslim?). But anyway, well done you for avoiding those pitfalls.

            The real point is that Christianity does prevent thinking, reasoning, and questioning outside of a clearly ridiculous doctrine (even within it you are not safe, Christians burnt the Christian Michael Servetus at the stake for questioning the holy trinity). You are just told to believe. This is the constraint that you have sadly put on your son. And because you have, as your father did to you, your son will do so to his children. And on it goes. This man made system for control of the masses is propagated. The wars and hurt and suffering continue, this made-up god vs that made-up god. Good grief.

          • pud

            Not only “told” to believe but ordered under penalty of eternal torture by their all loving god who can create universes from nothing with an incantation and magic but who just can’t tolerate anyone not “believing” in him/her/it and who is offended by nearly everything

          • thushjz

            My Dad isnt a believer…sorry, you know nothing about me, but project your own faults and shortcomings onto people you know absolutely nothing about…my father is probably the biggest reason i became a christian while playing in a evangelical Christian rock band in the 1980s. My father attacked and bashed christians when i was growing up and still does…My God isn’t made up…HE is all powerful, and I’ve witnessed it in my own life, the life of my autistic son whos getting married soon, and the life of my adopted son whom im taking to dinner in about an hour…he’s interesting also, abandoned by his own drug addict mother, diagnosed fetal alcohol and attachment disorder and is now 19 years old and a high school graduate…your mistake is in thinking Christians are some sort of non thinking cult…ask yourself…where’s the nearest atheists hospital? name a hospital started and funded by atheists…anywhere…now name the nearest Christian started and funded hospital, you know, the thousand or so Presbyterian, Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist or even Jewish hospital…there’s about 10 of them in my town alone…tell me…what atheist started hospitals serve the sick, the dying, the indigent?

          • Bruce Robertson

            That’s awesome thushjz, it’s like you have some sort of black belt in straw man arguing. You are a master, but I suspect you don’t even know you are doing it!

            Think about what you have said. You KNOW your god is real because you have witnessed it through raising some sons with difficulties. What about the untold muslims, jews, hindus etc that have been raised with difficulties? Do you KNOW their god is real too. No, you happen to live in a place where Christianity has taken hold, so you don’t. This is chance without reason. But you are indoctrinated so you will likely never see that.

            I’m guessing you are in America (but OK, I could be wrong), so it’s funny to me that you raise the point about hospitals. The developed world is cringing at the cruel state of the American health care system. I live in a country where ALL the hospitals are state (secular) hospitals, and whats more, healthcare is FREE for everyone! No insurance required. No questions or rules. Just world class FREE healthcare for every citizen. All without any made-up gods. Pretty good huh?

          • pud

            It’s always about their particular circumstance that they can’t rationally explain. How about the millions of head banging autistic and retarded children who suffer their entire short lives along with their parents? Gee,,,some of them might be christians too!

          • Bruce Robertson

            Ahhh, but pud that is just god working in mysterious ways. He has a plan you know!! A good plan that involves a lot of pain and suffering, but if it works out it will ultimately lead to us ALL worshiping him. And he wants that. That’s what gods are all about. They have self esteem issues you know. FFS!!

          • pud

            god wants and needs and desires and weeps and is happy…just like a person! Funny that huh? An omnipotent all powerful eternal “being” who “existed” for all of time outside of space and time “needs” stuff. But fear not! It will all be revealed to you soon! His ways are not our ways ya know. How do these people function?

          • Oliver

            More harassment marked. Take your agenda elsewhere and try to sell it there.

          • Oliver

            Your country name?

          • Bruce Robertson

            North Korea.You would like it here Oliver, living under Kim Jong-un is very much like Christianity. You have to believe all the many lies and distorted fabrications you are told, despite clear contrary evidence. By threat of violence and death you worship someone that clearly has a selfish and insane agenda. You dedicate your life to supporting a system that is entirely designed to control society and eliminate free thinking, rather than letting it prosper. You see everyone that isn’t in your group as evil. And just like Christians have done for MOST of the last 2000 years, if you disagree with the system you’ll be executed. I can meet you at the airport if you want!

          • thushjz

            You do realize of course that the North Korean regime regularly fills Christians full of bullet holes against walls just for carrying a bible openly? Bad analogy…

          • Bruce Robertson

            And if you and your Christian friends had your way you would do the same for anyone carrying a Koran in America!! For hundreds of years Christians burned at the stake or beheaded anyone that spoke against the official interpretation of the bible. This is the type of behavior that only religion and oppressive dictatorships can allow. Now stake burning has been replaced with missiles and bombs falling on people in the middle east. “Thou shalt not kill” is one of your COMMANDMENTS right? And yet the greatest Christian nation on earth builds more bombs and missiles and bullets and nukes than the rest of the world MANY times over. It goes into war after war, and sells billions of dollars worth of armaments to countries like Saudi Arabia (and proudly celebrates this as a good achievement!). Trump says he will build the military even bigger and YOU vote for him!! Kill more people!! Good grief, can’t you see the hypocrisy? Your holy book: THOU SHALT NOT KILL. The wasn’t followed with an “except” section. Honestly, I don’t mean it abusively, but are you blind or stupid?

            My analogy is that the North Korean regime is evil, and so is religion (yours and all the others). Paradoxically I know it would take a god-like miracle for you to ever see that though!

          • pud

            The “church” killed over 1 million Cathars for daring to present a different version of the “perfect word of god” that just didn’t seem to convince everyone equally

          • Bruce Robertson

            THOU SHALT NOT KILL. Perhaps the most clear statement in the bible. No scholarly genius needed to interpret it. No weird ancient grammar to obscure the meaning. Very very clear isn’t it? So why all the killing Christian America? No intelligent person can deny the statistics. America is a Christian nation, and America kills more people than all the other nations put together. You are the worlds factory for killing technology and are proud of it.

            Your jesus didn’t build weapons or armies to defend against his enemies. He made no attempt at defense at all, let alone preemptive attack. Your bible stories show he taught peace and forgiveness, and even loving your enemy as you love yourself. You say you follow him diligently, but then do the opposite of his teaching!! More weapons! Bigger army! More killing! You are so blinded by your political and religious ideology that you can’t see it. Your church and government elites sell you on FREEDOM, while robbing you of the greatest freedom of all. The freedom to think and reason. All the while those elites are getting richer and richer and richer. Still you defend them and their system!!

            Christians are told faith is a good thing. Faith is believing without evidence. It’s a BAD thing!! Individual thinking and reasoning is good. Questioning and changing is good. The doctrine of faith has taken away your ability to understand the difference between good and bad. Just follow. Believe what you are told. No need to think.

            Can these words really be read as nonsense to a Christian? Can you honestly deny what I am saying? REALLY??

          • pud

            Don’t forget that america leads the entire world in jailed criminals most of which are christian. America also is on the leaderboard for people executed via the death penalty..mostly from the bible belt states

          • thushjz

            Completely oblivious to the fact it was atheistic communism that through Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, that murdered 120 million people in the 20th century…you built that…own it…

          • pud

            Wrong yet again! No one was EVER executed in the name of non belief in a deity. No one. Communism is organized just like a religion…the Emperor of Japan was considered a god! All totalitarian regimes are exactly like religions with unimpeachable leaders who can never be questioned. You clearly know next to nothing about nearly everything

          • thushjz

            I performed in Beijing 8 years ago…I saw Tianmen square with my own eyes. I saw the obolisk where people were shot… atheistic communism is most definitely responsible for the deaths of millions…your denial and delusion is pretty astonishing. But typical…

          • pud

            No dummy…what you saw was a totalitarian ideological regime exactly like religion. Atheism had no hand in this or any human suffering. You have a monopoly on that. Non “believers” do not persecute anyone…only rigid ideological theocratic and political institutions do. Non “belief” in the supernatural nonsense of religion is NOT an ideology, political or totalitarian. Non believers just don’t buy your irrational nonsense…that’s it. Period

          • thushjz

            So you’re actually trying to deny atheists Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot had nothing to do with millions getting shot in the head and starved…fascinating, completely false, but fascinating…your also a liar…own it…

          • pud

            Not only are you stupid you are incapable of reading comprehension.

            They did..they were totalitarian ideological lunatics whose ideologies were ORGANIZED just like a RELIGION! There was ONE authority who could not be questioned who dictated rules JUST LIKE RELIGION

            They did NOT conduct their genocides (like your god did) in the name of NON BELIEF they did so for rabid ideological principles JUST LIKE RELIGION HAS DONE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS!

            No war or murder or genocide has EVER been conducted in the name of NON BELIEF…ONLY belief systems allow for the extermination of other belief systems…NON BELIEF is NOT a belief system, ideology, political party etc it is simply NON BELIEF

            What is wrong with you?

          • thushjz

            Youre projecting…and your insults are proving to everyone here that your position lacks credence…all of the communist dictators of the 20th century were like you atheists…ALL of them…your denial of that fact is revealing there is no truth in you whatsoever, even middle school students know (which I have taught) Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Lenin, Stalin, Pol pot, and the current little fat atheist in north Korea that murders his own uncles are avowed ATHEISTS. And now you’ve very revealingly tried to twist the truth by saying they are NOT Atheists? That the most brutal dictators of the last Century did not think like you? Laughable, and quite sad what delusion you reside in…

          • pud

            See how stupid you all are? I did not say that they were not atheists…I said, if you could comprehend the written language, is that NON BELIEF in a deity has NEVER been the motivation for genocidal acts.

            Most of those men had facial hair too! Does that make all men with beards dictators?

            Hitler was a catholic. The Emperor of Japan was considered an actual god!

            Stalin was trained in a monastery!

            Most of those names were atheists and I NEVER SAID THAT THEY WERE NOT! I said that their ideologies were organized exactly like religion! They did their dastardly deeds for ideological reasons (communism) NOT in the name of NON BELIEF

          • thushjz

            False, communists are atheists and you know it…at this point you’re every word reveals that there is absolutely no truth in you…Now everyone here is seeing you for what you are, a liar…

          • pud

            You are mind numbing stupid!! Or have a serious learning disability!

            I NEVER said they weren’t non believers in your deity!!!!

            Can’t you read? No, you can’t or you’re unbelievably stupid!!

            Show me where I said they WERE NOT atheists…SHOW ME!! or STFU!

          • thushjz

            better take your meds…because you’ve contradicted yourself…in one paragraph you’ve stated that Stalin was trained in a monastery, but you know he was an atheist, so which is it? because they can’t be both….and I never even mentioned hitler…and I don’t have to shut up…make me. or perhaps you’d like to kill me…like your buddies lenin, Stalin, Mao…the more you type, the angrier you get, and everyone here sees your incredible bitterness…I like peeling you atheists like a rotten banana…

          • pud

            He was stupid! You are beyond STUPID!

            From ages 9 to 14, Josef studied at an Eastern Orthodox theological school in Gori, a town of about 7,000. Josef was small for his age, but he survived well enough the town’s tradition of school-boy gang warfare. He is said to have boxed and wrestled with some success. And he was also the leading choir boy and so devout that he “barely missed a mass.” note20

            Yes it can be both idiot…he went to school, was religious and then he wasn’t! DUH!

            You peel nothing…You just prove that you’re a complete IDIOT! who also knows shit!

          • thushjz

            You’ve contradicted yourself…in the same paragraph you admitted Stalin was an atheist, and now you’re backtracking trying to put him in with Christians. you’ve completely contradicted yourself. lol

          • pud

            Sorry, you’re not stupid…you’re a MORON!

            HE WAS A CHRISTIAN

            THEN..

            HE WASN’T ONE

            Only a moron couldn’t understand this HISTORICAL FACT

            You’re also a liar…stick to banging your head on the drums with your jesus band ok?

          • thushjz

            Oohhhh very tolerant and coexisting. …lol

          • pud

            I’m not…idiots like you sicken me. I keep as far away from stupid people as possible

          • thushjz

            Then what are you doing here? lol

          • thushjz

            I’ve played on Grammy nominated records and performed in stadiums like the Los angeles colosseum, soldier field, and Texas stadium for nearly 5 million people in just a three year span….you have no clue what I’ve done…at the beginning of this tiresome little conversation you said you’re trying to help the sick (in your words we Christians are sick) but you’ve called me a bevy, a boatload of derogatory names…you are full of contradictions that you can’t even see…just like my atheist cousin who died horribly frightened…I’ve prayed for you…good luck.

          • Bruce Robertson

            You are right thushjz, all those people did some very very bad things. It is a logical fallacy to conclude that because they did bad things that your religion is good. Why would would you have me own one thing that’s bad because I disagree with another thing that’s bad? It’s also a logical fallacy to conclude that because they were atheists and communists that these things caused them to do bad things. They also all wore hats, so are hats evil too?

            On the other hand your religion specifically sets out to discourage you from critical thinking and reasoning. It is specifically designed for the control and influence of societies for the benefit of those at the top. It uses fear to keep you in a state of obedience. None of this is logical fallacy – it is observable and reasonable.

            I’m not trying to be nasty or condescending, but honestly you need to study some logical thinking skills. You are at the level of my 10 year old daughter, with the difference that she is developing fast.You would catch out my 6 year old son still, but my 16 year old son would have you for lunch!

          • pud

            Dear Leader provides all things in his infinite wisdom that we cannot understand. His ways are not our ways

          • Oliver

            inappropriate, threatening, reported, down arrow

          • Bruce Robertson

            So you coming to visit or not? Please clarify.

          • Oliver

            I may as well block you now. You have been reported many times. Eventually Disqus will cancel your account.
            Others reading are no doubt reporting you also where ever you roam on the earth to and fro.
            You and Pud / D|ck are the only one I block.
            You who are is twisted to the point of threatening another’s life.
            You are now speaking to air.
            What you post has no effect on me.
            So rave on.
            I fear no man but I do fear God.
            One last prayer that God the Father will confront you if it is in His will for you.
            Father God, please have mercy on his soul if it be your will. In the Name of Your only begotten Son, Jesus Iesous Y’shua. Amen.

          • Bruce Robertson

            I’m confused Oliver. Will you visit or not? Are you just teasing me?

            What air am I speaking to Oliver? Are you referring to that between you ears.

            Be comforted that you don’t need to fear your made up god. It won’t hurt you in any way at all (it mostly just kills muslims and poor people). You should fear yourself though! You have a dangerous and destructive disease of your mind. You are best to quarantine yourself and take a course of critical thinking lessons. Cure IS possible, but like a drug addict, you need to take the first step.

          • Bruce Robertson

            I’m going to wait at the airport for you Oliver. I’ll hold a sign with your name so you know who I am. You hold up a “I love jesus” sign so I can spot you. See you soon!! PS bring as many friends as you like.

          • Brilliant, Bruce!

          • Bruce Robertson

            Thanks John! My good works are all inspired by no god.

            Can’t wait to finally meet Oliver over here in NK! I think we are going to have a great time together. Two kindred spirits as we are.

          • thushjz

            Your typing to a lprofessional musician that’s played in Europe 7 times including Sweden Norway, England, France, Australia, Beijing, the Philippines ,Japan, Chile , and Poland before the fall of the Berlin wall in 1986, I saw communist guards at our concerts in Warsaw in 86, the Catholic concert promoter that brought us there was summarily thrown into prison and tortured after the tour which was cut short for bringing in “subversive western Christian bands” my own autistic son lost his healthcare 3 years ago after the idiot lying Obama promised no one would lose their healthcare in my state, which saw 250 thousand lose their healthcare plans after the lying socialist Obama said that would not happen…I’ve performed in England many times and I’ve seen just how well socialized medicine works…why don’t you ask Charlie gards parents how well your state run healthcare is working…”oh, I’m sorry Mr and Mrs Gard but your child must die now and the state decrees it. because we the state are now God” your socialized “free” healthcare is not free…other people pay for it by exacting huge taxes take for instance Norway where a car that costs 25 thousand here costs 50 thousand there and the tax rates start at 40 percent and go up to 70 percent…NOTHING is free…who exactly do you think you’re fooling?

          • Bruce Robertson

            You are a great musician, but a lousy logician. You use “socialist” like it is a swear word. That’s because your corrupt money driven political system has pushed that propaganda for decades. Why? To prevent a fair distribution of wealth. Keep the money at the top. It has worked incredibly well, so well in fact that many Americans are arguing for more of it!! Look at the suffering and crime and other social problems this world leading inequality is causing. But you are right, I likely pay higher tax than you. I’m fine with that though! I get good value for it. I can walk around the streets at night and feel safe. I never lock the doors of my house or car. Every health need taken care of (except dentistry). Typical 37.5 hour working week, with 41 days paid holiday per year. Yes, just like Norway the cars are more expensive here, but I still have a nice BMW.

            Just like you have swallowed the nonsense of religion, you have also gulped down political indoctrination. Like a drug addict you can’t even see what is hurting you.

            You logical fallacy with Charlie Gards is at least consistent with your other thinking…. wrong! He will die because of a disease, not because of the state. According to you it is your god that is the only one with the power to prevent such diseases, but he chooses not to!! Your made up god needs no assistance from any state in his evil ways – he is excelling already. The medical opinions are that there is no suitable treatments available. This is tragic and sad, but a reality of life. You shouldn’t damn the most effective and fair system we can come up with because it fails to perform miracles.

          • pud

            OOPS!

            One hundred years after Christ had died suppose someone had asked a Christian, What hospitals have you built? What asylums have you founded? They would have said “None.”

            Suppose three hundred years after the death of Christ the same questions had been asked the Christian, he would have said “None, not one.” Two hundred years more and the answer would have been the same. And at that time the Christian could have told the questioner that the Mohammedans had built asylums before the Christians. He could also have told him that there had been orphan asylums in China for hundreds and hundreds of years, hospitals in India, and hospitals for the sick at Athens.

            To be fair to the Christian apologist, perhaps the question should be directed more towards modern times, after Christianity has been well established. America, as Christian historical revisionists have claimed, was established under Christian principles and is therefore a Christian nation. Therefore it makes sense to conclude that a Christian nation would build hospitals faster than a colony of ants could build an anthill.

            The oldest American hospital in existence is New York’s famed Bellevue hospital, established in 1736. The hospital, initially a six-bed hospital, was not created by any religious institution but was a municipal hospital created by a secular, non-religious government. (2) The city was filling a gap left by the lazy religious institutions who were apparently failing in their mission to care for the sick and ailing.

            Bellevue wasn’t the first American hospital though. The first American hospital was created as a result of a business venture. Master Jacob Hendrickszen Varrevanger, surgeon to the Dutch West India Company, created the first hospital in the same region. New York wasn’t in existence at this time; the area was referred to as New Amsterdam, and the year was 1658. (3)

            The religious weren’t in any rush to create any institutions for public welfare. Ben Franklin, inventor, ambassador to France and Founding Father managed to find more time than the entire American religious industry to develop the first fire department, public library, and even another hospital (founded in 1751). (4)

            The first university was created in Franklin’s town of Philadelphia as well. America’s first university was not religious either. Rather than being another center for educating clergy as in old European universities, this university (University of Pennsylvania, established in 1751) would train students for careers in business and public service. (5) Religious missionaries were apparently too busy caring for people’s afterlives rather than their lives on Earth.

            Surely after 200 years of America’s signing of the Constitution the religious industry has developed a system of hospitals throughout the United States. In a sense they have. Hundreds of hospitals bearing a connection to some religious institutions dot the American landscape. The largest and best known of these is the Catholic hospital system. Surely a hospital with a Catholic affiliation must mean the hospital is truly a religious hospital founded and financed by the Catholic Church. Alas, even this is not the case; Catholic hospitals are merely public hospitals with a Catholic label and fewer health services.

            In America, as of 1999, 13% of all hospitals were religious (totaling 18% of all hospital beds); that’s 604 out of 4,573 hospitals. (6) Despite the presence of organized religion in America, the Church has managed to scrape together only a few hospitals. Of these 604 hospitals many are a product of mergers with public, non-sectarian hospitals. Not all of these 604 hospitals are Catholic; many are Baptist, Methodist, Shriner (Masonic), Jewish, etc.

            Despite the religious label, these so-called religious hospitals are more public than public hospitals. Religious hospitals get 36% of all their revenue from Medicare; public hospitals get only 27%. In addition to that 36% of public funding they get 12% of their funding from Medicaid. Of the remaining 44% of funding, 31% comes from county appropriations, 30% comes from investments, and only 5% comes from charitable contributions (not necessarily religious). The percentage of Church funding for Church-run hospitals comes to a grand total of 0.0015 percent. (7)

            The claim that the religious build hospitals gives the illusion that the religious are more charitable than the secular, non-religious. With hospitals, at least, that isn’t the case. Every hospital writes off a certain percentage of medical revenue as charitable care. The religious hospitals aren’t the least charitable of hospitals, but they’re close to it. For-profit hospitals provided, on average, only 0.8% of their gross patient revenue as charity care; religious hospitals came in with 1.9%. On the other hand the secular non-profit hospitals had 2% and the godless secular public hospitals provided 5.1%. (Cool

            It’s only been 200 years since America was founded, perhaps in another 200 years the religious will catch up to the secular government in providing charitable medical care. It gets worse for the religious institutions though. Religious hospitals provide fewer medical services than the secular hospitals. The Catholic hospitals, despite being publicly funded hospitals, refuse to provide certain medical services on religious grounds. Many Catholic hospitals refuse to provide infertility treatments, birth control, abortion and emergency contraception to rape victims. It is the position of the Catholic church that, “A female who has been raped should be able to defend herself against a potential conception from the sexual assault.” (9) That means it’s a woman’s responsibility to get her rapist to wear a condom.

            Catholic hospitals have directives opposing informed consent to patients regarding side effects of potential harmful health care decisions as well as policies preventing euthanasia (whereby a terminally ill patient must be kept on life support despite the patient’s demands to end treatment).

            Catholic hospitals aren’t alone in promoting their religion in the medical field. Mormon hospitals will refuse sterilization to women who have had less than five children or are younger than 40 years of age. Seventh-day Adventist hospitals won’t serve meat or caffeinated beverages in their cafeterias. Southern Baptist hospitals won’t provide abortion services. (10)

            Robert Ingersoll’s response to the question, “What hospitals have Atheists built?” is surprisingly relevant over a hundred years later. Despite European Christians being on the American continent for hundreds of years, they have been lacking in providing the medical charity they are credited for. The answer to the question “How many American hospitals have Atheists built?” is “All of them.”

          • thushjz

            Your secular government stole my autistic son’s healthcare away in 2014…and that was after Obama lied and said “If you like your plan you can keep your plan”

          • pud

            Oh…you’re part of the free shit army eh? Your “right” to health care eh? Top notch, whatever you need and want should all be given to you right?

          • thushjz

            We were paying for my son’s healthcare, nice try assuming you know everything…through Obamacare the premium and deductible skyrocketed.

          • pud

            Well why don’t you go to one of those nice christian hospitals for healthcare? Or have prayer circles and lay hands on each other? Maybe all your health issues are part of the lords plan?

          • thushjz

            My son is on his own working a full time job, getting his own insurance…once again, your astonishing display of hatred is something to behold…

          • pud

            Not “hatred”…contempt

            Interesting how truth, reason and logic disturbs you all so much…so much that you can never address the arguments only the one presenting them with your made up characterizations

            Contempt and pity

          • thushjz

            Yeah…that’s what a former atheist friend who’s now a Christian told me a few years ago…

          • pud

            Which proves what exactly?

            That you have weak minded friends?

          • thushjz

            That he’s smarter than you…

          • pud

            You do not need any intelligence to “believe” things…In FACT the less intelligence you have the MORE stupid things you’ll believe!

          • thushjz

            You’re proving that quite clearly…

          • pud

            You’ve forgotten dummy…I do not “believe” anything. Rational people follow where the evidence leads they don’t make up shit as explanations for things they don’t understand

          • thushjz

            You’re “Non belief” takes more effort than my belief…and you’re proving it very clearly having to berate and name call people on this website…

          • pud

            Yeah…the simple minded ALWAYS take the least mentally challenging path

            It’s called being intellectually lazy

          • thushjz

            8 years ago I was very sick, Kaiser doctors were useless, could not figure it out…I was referred to a Christian nurse through the church I was playing at at the time…in one office visit said Christian nurse diagnosed my problem and prescribed two medications which said Kaiser doctors never thought of and I’ve been 100 percent better since…what were you saying again?

          • pud

            Hahhahahahahahaa! The “medicine” cured you…You are unfathomably stupid!! Why did your “god” let you get sick in the first place? IT”S A MIRACLE! Unbelievably gullible and stupid

          • thushjz

            The nervous laughter of someone not sure of his stance…how cute…and still berating people you know nothing about…how special and compassionate and gracious you atheists are…even with a man who has an aspergers child like yourself you’re still spewing hate and insults…great way to win people over…

          • pud

            I know that you are a stupid irrational illogical delusional cult member….I know that your blood death cult lies to children and is a blight on humanity…that’s all I need to know about you to hold you in contempt

          • thushjz

            Beautiful and inspiring you are…the dark side oozes out of you much like my atheist cousin who spent weeks calling me every foul name in the book and blaming me personally for his own wrecked life even though I talked to him maybe once every ten years…talk about delusional…so sad, as I told you he was on his deathbed crying and whimpering freaking scared out of his wits knowing he had lived his life the wrong way…so sad…

          • pud

            So much personal experience evidence! Any kin that were abducted by aliens?

          • Bruce Robertson

            Pud, I nearly fell off my chair laughing when I read your question about alien abduction!! Now I’m feeling a tinge of guilt that we are exchanging with people that don’t really have the mental faculty to deal with it. I’m still giggling though, so can’t be that bad. Do you think that anyone else actually reads this? Is this a waste of time? Is anybody else out there??

          • pud

            LOL! I don’t feel guilty…I feel it’s my civic duty. I think more people are reading this now than ever….For the longest time I had no allies at all but now you show up….a few others are voicing their critique of this cult mentality…maybe there’s more out there than we think. I don’t think confronting delusional ideologies is ever a waste of time

          • Oliver

            The Online Slang Dictionary
            (American, English, and Urban slang)
            Definition of pud

            An act so dumb it defies creations purpose. A stellar foul up.
            What a total pud thing to do.

            a p*nis.
            His mom caught him pulling his pud.
            You have a small pud.
            Oh my gosh you have such a large pud.
            Citation from “School Lies”, American Dad (TV), Season 6 Episode 14 (2011) See more words with the same meaning: p*nis.

            an annoying person or loser.
            He is such a pud.
            a person who is being a d|ck.
            Quit being a pud.
            You’re such a pud.

            origin
            Possibly folk etymology: shortened form of “pudendum”, which means the external g*nitals, but especially the female external g*nitals.

            Conclusion:Pud here could be:

            1. a fallen angel.
            2. a single s*xual organ male or female and is seeking the rest of its human body
            3. a human occupied with one or more demons. Given this entity’s malevolence probably infested with many.
            4. Anyone who agrees with he/she/it probably is infected also.

            Possible solution:
            Pray for a Supernatural Intervention by God the Father in the Name of the Son. Only this level of evil may be changed by exorcism to cast out demons. Pray for anyone in agreement with him to have the same.

            Consult this article for more details:
            http://overviewbible.com/angels-demons/
            The 8 Kinds of Angels and Demons in the Bible

            And this:
            Question: “Do demons exist?”
            https://www.gotquestions.org/do-demons-exist.html

            Christian reaction to attacks:
            Pity the fools and pray for them to the Father in the Name of the Son.
            Do not engage in dialogue because you are throwing pearls before swine.

            Anyone who attacks Christians are actually blessing them.
            See next post.

          • pud

            Maybe you’re not praying enough? Doesn’t the “lord provide”? Maybe you’re not praying hard enough and should redouble your requests?

          • thushjz

            My son with aspergers is working full time in a different state, he’s getting his own healthcare soon, and that for his future bride…

          • Oliver

            T,
            I am sorry for your situation. I know it is no comfort but you are far from alone in being abused by this legislation. The horror stories are so numerous in the millions.
            The lies of the former dictator are killing people since healthcare is in a far worse state as a result of this wicked legislation.

            “If you like your insurance, you can keep it. If you like your doctor you can keep him./her.”

            Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals

            (Read who this book is dedicated to and two prominent people who worship this entity – their father of liars, thieves, and murderers.)
            http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

            Pray that Congress will finally repeal this abomination of hatred. So far they have proven to be corrupt both elitist parties who are really a corrupt uni-party.

          • pud

            Why do you need health care when you can just pray to jesus?

          • D.M.S.

            God/Jesus created all medical doctors and nurses.
            We thank God/Jesus thru our prayers for doing this.
            Praise the Lord.

          • pud

            So you can demonstrate that a congress full of bible thumping lunatics would have magically fixed the broken health care system? Their combined prayers and magic math would drive costs down and coverage up? Is that what you’re implying?

          • Oliver

            T,
            I am so sorry this has happened to you. I will pray for the well being of your family.

          • Oliver

            T,

            [ Here is a small bright spot! This may bolster your families resolve to persevere in the face of malevolent entities.

            This comes from the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ)

            Senator Rand Paul’s (MD) REPEAL 1 page legislation had been approved the first Day our new President took office it could have been Repealed Right then and there. At least there is finally some progress. The majority Congress Uniparty takes major campaign dollars from the insurance companies. Rand Paul’s common sense approach (similar to Dr. Ben Carson’s proposed program) could have totally replaced all thievery done to break families such as yours and mine and a majority of Americans income. Many Pastors could not pay their policies any more but fortunately formed an organization in which they share costs. Although not inexpensive at surely beat the thousands they were paying per year because of the evil legislation.]

            —————-

            —-,

            The Senate just voted to debate the repeal of ObamaCare. This is a massive first step toward undoing more than 7 years of taxes, mandates, and pro-abortion legislation that has crippled our healthcare system.

            Here’s what’s next: amendments, debate, and votes. Sign the Petition Now
            https://aclj.org/obamacare/repeal-pro-abortion-obamacare-now

            [Stop the murders of innocent babies who were aborted and were close to full term. The Planned Parenthood abortionists even allow children born alive to die without any medical intervention at all. Their parts were and are still sold to the highest bidder. There is a whole series of videos documenting this on You Tube.]

            First, the Senate will vote on the same bill that already passed both the House and Senate in 2015 (ultimately vetoed by President Obama). It would repeal ObamaCare and defund Planne Parenthood.

            Now the hard work begins. It is time for the Senate to repeal ObamaCare and defund Planned Parenthood. That is the solemn commitment the majority of Senators made to the American people.

            Now they MUST follow through. There is NO excuse. We’ve been engaged in the legal battle to defeat ObamaCare since Day One. We’ve taken the fight to the Supreme Court time after time. Now we’re working in the Senate demanding a vote to repeal ObamaCare and defund Planned Parenthood.

            Sign Our Petition: Repeal ObamaCare Now.

            Jay Sekulow
            ACLJ Chief Counsel
            [Who is one of the attorneys who support amicus briefs enjoined by the current Justice Department. They also word hard to protect innocent Christians not only in our country but also all over the world.]

            [Also visit their homepage that is taking the lead to save lives.]
            https://aclj.org/
            May God please save our families from the oppressive federal government.

          • Oliver

            God bless you T!

          • Kiam Larsen

            Tru thinking about the “Community” Hospitals, The Research Hospitals, The City Hospitals, etc. They were NOT started by any Christian.

          • Oliver

            You are marked for harassment. Please start your own area and spout your agenda elsewhere.

          • Oliver

            Marked as spam and reported. Receiving down arrow.
            Go somewhere and create your own space where your comments are welcome.

          • Bruce Robertson

            This is my space Oliver, it’s called the internet. You are so funny how you do that “spam and reported” thing! And then with the down arrows! There are all sorts of religious nutters on here, but you are a special one for sure.

            You do realize that all that devil and demon stuff is out of fashion in your religion now don’t you? Move with the times Oliver. Turns out the devil and demons don’t actually exist, it was just some people that made it up. Gays are now OK too, and woman have been given rights as well. Have you caught up with that? Freaky stuff huh? Jesus has changed his mind about lots of things and didn’t tell you!

            But seriously Oliver, you must be an old guy and I think you are doing well with using a computer at all. It must be quite overwhelming for you with all these nay-sayers trying to burst your jesus fantasy bubble. It’s really nothing personal, but for the good of human kind you need to be stopped. You are sick with a highly infectious disease.

          • Oliver

            God bless you T!
            Yes, success. Sweet.
            The contrast so clear.
            The hatred of the other is indeed palatable.

          • pud

            Not hate..contempt

            You are sick and delusional and dangerous

        • D.M.S.

          Satan Claus comes to all the liars every christmas to tell their children of a jovial person that delivers toys to all the children in the world in the same night.

    • Bruce Robertson

      Wow pud, you just told the emperor he has no clothes! He will deny it until he’s out of breath, as he strolls around with all his skin bare. It’s frustrating isn’t it, but that’s the power of the cult and indoctrination. That religion takes away a persons reason is bad enough, but that it takes away the ability to reason is a tragedy for mankind. Keep up your good work, you have clarity and a great ability to share it.

      • pud

        Thank you…this is usually a thankless task. lol I’m heartened to know that there are a few sane people left

      • Oliver

        Spam marked.

        • Bruce Robertson

          Double spam marked. No returns.

          • Oliver

            inappropriate, spam, reported, down arrow
            no further communication

          • Bruce Robertson

            Too late, I said no returns. You are breaking the rules and god will ban you from the internets. It says so in the bible.

          • Oliver

            targeted harassment

  • Iain Lovejoy

    There are plenty of passages supporting your case in the Bible without making stuff up.
    Acts 30-31 says nothing about exclusivity.
    The John 14 passage doesn’t really support your case: you read it as if it says “no-one *can* come to the Father except through me”, making Jesus a barrier or gatekeeper between man and God, but it doesn’t. Jesus answers Thomas’s question as to how Jesus can be found by saying that Jesus is the way to God, and all who come to God come through him. Jesus says that all who come to the Father will find Jesus on the way, as he is the way, as he says. It is a claim to universality not exclusivity.
    Acts 4:12 is your strongest argument, but it is important not to get it backwards: Peter is saying trust in Jesus is the only available means of salvation, not an entry requirement for it.
    I don’t know how you can muddle John 10 in the way you do, given that the parable is expressly explained. The point is that the teachers and leaders before Jesus are thieves and robbers without the interests of the sheep at heart, whilst Jesus looks after us. It has nothing to do with Jesus barring entry to the kingdom of Heaven to nonbelievers.
    Where I really take issue with what you are saying is in your attempt to make believing your particular theology an entry requirement for salvation. There is no Biblical justification for this and you are substituting a requirement for assent to a particular theological position statement for the trust in Jesus himself that the Bible requires.

    • pud

      The STORIES in the buybull are not evidence for the STORIES in the buybull…duh

    • pud

      Why doesn’t “jesus” look after the thousands of children who die of horrible disease and starvation every day? Busy settling stupid theological arguments between lunatics?

    • Oliver

      IL,
      Have you considered writing your own articles elsewhere?
      So easy to be a critic.

      • Iain Lovejoy

        I thought the point of having a comments board attached to an article was to invite comments on the article.

        • Oliver

          If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all.
          So go start your own Internet area.
          Therefore if you so choose you can continue to do no good somewhere else.
          Twisting Scripture to one’s own end is unacceptable.

          Comments that are constructive and civil yes are welcome.
          Harassment, uncivility, and spam no.
          Take agendas that are constantly negative elsewhere to draw attention to yourself.

          The ultimate in pride and the opposite of humility.
          God resists the proud and rewards the humble.

          I will pray for you as I am required and am asking you to heed by leaving your unwelcome comments elsewhere.

          I will always defend Jesus Iesous Y’shua’s Word as well as my Christian mentors, friends, and brothers and sisters.
          That is the Christian loving way.

    • Coffee Summerall

      Thanks, Iain, for bringing up passages and context that others try to ignore.

      • pud

        Yeah….the “perfect word of god” needs interpretation in context…how do you people exist?

  • The 4 Gospels were written approx. between around CE 70 – CE 100 by unknown authors. Mark around CE 70, Matthew and Luke sometime in the 80’s and John in the 90’s. Of these 4 Gospels which purport to proclaim the gospel of Jesus, only John has Jesus saying that he is the only way to heaven. How is it the none of the other Gospels has Jesus allegedly saying this?

    The Gospel of Matthew has Jesus saying that he does not know the day nor the hour of his coming (only the Father knows), so the author of this Gospel does not claim that Jesus is God since Jesus is not omniscient.

    The mythological Jesus of the text is turned into a God by the time of John’s Gospel. Your case about Jesus being the only way to heaven seems to be predicated on the supposition that Jesus is God. But didn’t the Gospel writers turn Jesus from a human person into God and the church aided and abetted this ruse.

    • D.M.S.

      I see we have more of this satanic world telling Christians who did or didn’t write scripture,
      Lol.

      • Don’t you have any regard for the consensus of biblical scholarship on the date, authorship and composition of the books of the bible?

        • D.M.S.

          No.

        • D.M.S.

          No!

  • Oliver

    What demoniacs in their delusion cannot grasp is people such as Pastor Jack and some other posters here believe is…

    ESV Verse of the Day Bible Study Tools, July 25

    Romans 8:38-39

    38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Read Romans 8
    [They have nothing better to do it seems than attack people with Jesus in their hearts. Mark them, report them, and block them. Only God the Father will intercede if He so choses to remove their delusional ravings. They have chosen their course and it seems want to be miserable, in fact enjoy it. When they go to the left side misery here on earth is hyper magnified. Their destination the very worst.]

    • Iain Lovejoy

      “If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all.”

      • Oliver

        If you support d|ck who is obviously possessed (I guess you didn’t read the article I posted) we should seriously question your comments.
        You would be much better off elsewhere. I am not joking. Make your own little corner of the Internet try that on for size.
        Push your selfish agenda elsewhere. You have no supporters here of those of us who follow The Way, Truth, and Life.
        People such as you seek to tear down earnest Christians. You obviously have not taken The Word to heart. Take your kind of heart somewhere else. Sheep’s in wolves clothing are obvious. You are not a brother but a pretender.

        • pud

          You’re a lunatic

        • Iain Lovejoy

          What article you posted?

          • Oliver

            http://overviewbible.com/angels-demons/
            The 8 Kinds of Angels and Demons in the Bible
            by Jeffrey Kranz
            You will find him there.

          • pud

            Hahahahhahaha! 8 kinds…bhwaa!

          • You seem to be obsessed with demons. If you walked into the average Evangelical congregation and talked about demons as much as you seem to do on this site , wouldn’t most of these people think that you might need to visit your psychiatrist to see if you needed mental help or not? Aren’t you giving many evangelicals a bad name by your obsession with demons?

          • Kiam Larsen

            No MOST PEOPLE would think that any church member saying that there are demons need Psychiatric Help. That is so Midevil. A Real Psychiatrist…..

          • D.M.S.

            Scripture speaks of demons everywhere and Jesus and the apostles were able to cast them out of people.
            Do Christians today believe that demons simply went away?
            I hope not.

          • pud

            Harry Potter speaks of magic. You’re insane

          • D.M.S.

            YES, I’m insane for
            GOD/JESUS.
            Hallelujah!

          • Oliver

            Amen DMS.
            I can’t read the blocked D|cks comments because I got tired of the tirades and seeing his moniker that means D|ck.
            Peeeeoooooo! BLOCKED. He can just talk to air as far as my comments. I don’t see or hear you the one either an infested demonically human or a demon or a fallen angel or a s*x organ looking to find a human body to attach to.
            PITYFUL Entity whatever he/she/it is.
            Only God the Father can help you fallen one.
            Perhaps He will have mercy on you and perhaps not.
            That is entirely up to Him to decide.

          • Oliver

            Just got an example of this today here locally.
            Wanted a Pastor to compromise principle and theology saying there wasn’t a H-ll and stop talking about it.
            Stop being so negative blah blah blah.
            Person wound up leaving after creating a stink.
            Political correctness can’t we all just get along and not hear the truth?
            He/she/it was sent packing.

            The Pastor was voted EXCELLENT by the Elders.
            And He is!
            This straight shooter Pastor knows that apostate wolves in sheep’s clothing will go to H-ll.
            He takes his calling absolutely seriously.
            He certainly does not want to be told, “Depart from me I never knew you.”

            YES there is a H-LL folks and yes there are a devil, fallen angels, demons, and people who are infested with demons.

            BUT the GOOD NEWS is those who repent and turn and follow The Way, Truth, and Life WILL have eternal life and brand new bodies! Boy I sure need one. This old body is about warn out!
            HEAVEN wooo hoooo! Count me IN!

            Looking so forward to my trip to Gloryland or here on earth if I AM comes again in my physical lifetime. I just want to be where the ALPHA and OMEGA is forever.

            Back tooo

            This Biblical Christian Pastor…
            Teaches straight out of Scripture with NO alteration while reading long passages.
            Uses the liturgical year.

            I pray for everyone here to come to The Truth.
            Yes, even those who target me.
            If I wasn’t attacked by evil people I would be off message.
            Not my imaginations but straight out of The Word..
            The offensive weapon of the Whole Armor of God is The Sword of the LORD . HIS TRUTH because HE is TRUTH. All recorded for centuries now.

            May God the Father confront all those who have not woken up to reality. But that is not my job. It’s His Plan and not mine. Only He knows everyone’s heart.

            The just and the evil.

            I always pray HIS Will be done and not mine.

            I hope everyone has gone to the Rules for Radicals page I posted.
            Those two people WE ALL KNOW WHO THEY ARE worship the evil one.

            They even admit so. OH yes indeed he is real. Check out the book’s dedication.

          • Some of them, today, think that demons don’t exist, never have existed, and never will exist. It’s mainly your fundamentalists and evangelicals who are likely to think that demons exist.

    • Iain Lovejoy

      “38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
      But apparently not agreeing with Pastor Jack’s theology *is* able to separate us from the love of God without and difficulty at all…

      • pud

        You are both lunatics. How is it that the “perfect word of god” isn’t so perfect that you all agree on it? Idiot

      • Oliver

        You don’t know Jack literally. 😉

    • Just curious, Oliver. Why have you changed your moniker to Guest?

  • pud

    DUH! LOL! Only idiots believe things WITHOUT EVIDENCE!

    Demonstrate that a “soul” exists

    You can’t have an IQ over 80 can you?

  • Benny S.

    OK then. So little Charlie Gard, the British boy with mitochondrial DNA depletion syndrome, who isn’t even 1 year old and yet will die any day now, will be excluded from God’s presence for all eternity based on your concrete scriptural examples.

    • pud

      Sorry! Reason and rational thinking exclusion zone! All part of gods plan don’t ya know?

    • D.M.S.

      Are we condemned when we are born into sin?
      Or when we commit sin?

  • pud

    Top 10 Reasons
    Why Beer Is Better Than Jesus
    ————————————————-

    10. No one will kill you for not drinking Beer.

    9. Beer doesn’t tell you how to have sex.

    8. Beer has never caused a major war.

    7. They don’t force Beer on minors who can’t
    think for themselves.

    6. When you have a Beer, you don’t knock on
    people’s doors trying to give it away.

    5. Nobody’s ever been burned at the stake,
    hanged, or tortured over his brand of Beer.

    4. You don’t have to wait 2000+ years for a
    second Beer.

    3. There are laws saying Beer labels can’t lie
    to you.

    2. You can prove you have a Beer.

    1. If you’ve devoted your life to Beer, there are
    groups to help you stop.

  • Oliver

    When we are being harassed what to do as Christians.
    Remembering Jesus Iesous Y’shua does not expect Christians to be doormats.
    We are to love Him, love others, self last.
    Not to correct someone who is lost in their own sin is not loving.
    Dust your sandals after praying for them, and turning them over to God the Father’s attention in the Name of God the Son, Jesus Iesous Y’shua.
    Ignore their attacks and do not dialogue with them further yet pity them.
    For we too were once lost in our sins until our repentance, asking for forgiveness and turning from our sinful nature’s error, atoning for our sins by obeying and following the Living God, The Way, Truth, and the Eternal Life.
    The Great God Almighty Three in One, I AM.
    Show mercy and mercy will be granted to us.
    Remembering always we may be forgiven our sins but there are always consequences to every word, finger press, and action while still on earth until we are called Home to the right side of the Mercy Seat.
    ~ Sinner saved by the Love, Mercy, and Grace of Jesus Iesous Y’shua and not of my doing. My works apart from Him are dross. Only God is good.

    The Christian Crier: Top 7 Bible Verses About Bullying And Dealing With Bullies
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2016/05/23/top-7-bible-verses-about-bullying-and-dealing-with-bullies
    by Jack Wellman

    Referenced Scripture
    Primary Verses:
    Luke 6:27-28
    Romans 12:18-19
    Psalm 138:7
    Ephesians 6:12
    Leviticus 19:18
    Romans 12:20-21
    Cross References:
    Rom 5:10
    Heb 4:13
    Luke 23:34
    Rev 20:12-15
    2 Cor 4:3
    2 Cor 4:4
    2 Pet 3:9
    John 3:36
    Matt 5:21-22
    John 6
    John 4
    Eph 2:8
    Eph 2:9

    • Bruce Robertson

      Oliver, your Christian guidance is very sound indeed. For sure you are a top grade Christian. A model, champion Christian!!!

      If being harassed (aka talking to a sane rational person) then your flock should immediately immerse themselves deep in total nonsense made up stories. Drown themselves in them if necessary. Just don’t let any of that rational or critical thinking get in. Fight it!! Leave no room for evidence or reason! Keep going, verse after verse after verse. As long as it takes. Pulverize their brains with nonsense until their indoctrination is made afresh.

      Ahhhh, that’s the trick. JESUS I can see you again!! Top it up like a morphine addict. Dull reality. Go to a place where you are safe. A simple fantasy world where you define the rules. Define that you will never die…. hmmm that feels much better. Sweet sweet religion.

      • pud

        They double and triple down on insanity.

    • Kiam Larsen

      So where is YOUR “Turn the Other cheek thing”?????

  • Oliver

    Philippians 3:9 English Standard Version (ESV) Bible Gateway
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians+3%3A9&version=ESV

    9 and be found in him, not having (A)a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but (B)that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—

    Cross references:
    Philippians 3:9 : Rom. 10:5; [ver. 6]
    Philippians 3:9 : See Rom. 9:30; 1 Cor. 1:30

    Philippians 1:20 English Standard Version (ESV) Bible Gateway

    20 as it is my eager expectation and hope (A)that I will not be at all ashamed, but that with full (B)courage now as always Christ (C)will be honored in my body, (D)whether by life or by death.

    My two favorite Chapters in the Bible
    Romans 8 [Please go to the link for the whole Chapter, use the blue gear, pulldown and check all except the last choice]
    Romans 8 English Standard Version (ESV)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8&version=ESV
    John 17
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+17&version=ESV

  • Oliver

    Romans 8
    Life in the Spirit [It begin thusly:]

    “… 8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.[a] 2 For the law of (A)the Spirit of life (B)has set you[b] free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death….”

    Cross references:
    Philippians 1:20 : Rom. 5:5; [Joel 2:27; 2 Tim. 2:15]
    Philippians 1:20 : See Acts 4:13
    Philippians 1:20 : [1 Cor. 6:20]
    Philippians 1:20 : Rom. 14:8

    And ends:
    “…
    God’s Everlasting Love

    31 What then shall we say to these things? (BI)If God is for us, who can be[I against us? 32 (BJ)He who did not spare his own Son but (BK)gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33 Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? (BL)It is God who justifies. 34 (BM)Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—(BN) who is at the right hand of God, (BO)who indeed is interceding for us.[j] 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written,
    (BP)“For your sake (BQ)we are being killed all the day long;
    we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

    37 No, in all these things we are more than (BR)conquerors through (BS)him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord…”

  • Oliver

    John 17 [Please read the whole chapter]
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+17&version=ESV

    John 17 English Standard Version (ESV) Bible Gateway

    [Jesus Iesous Y’shua, God the Son prays to God the Father for us. This is shortly before He went to the Cross to save those who hear His call and follow Him. The ONLY way to God the Father]

    [It begins thusly:]

    The High Priestly Prayer, God the Son

    “… 17 When Jesus had spoken these words, (A)he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
    “Father, (B)the hour has come; (C)glorify your Son that the Son may (D)glorify you, 2 since (E)you have given him authority over all flesh, (F)to give eternal life to all (G)whom you have given him. 3 (H)And this is eternal life, (I)that they know you, (J)the only (K)true God, and (L)Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 4 I (M glorified you on earth, (N)having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, (O)glorify me in your own presence with the glory (P)that I had with you (Q)before the world existed.,,”

    [And ends for the benefit of those today who follow Him. Previously He prayed for those who followed Him when He was on earth. The disciples and Apostles]

    “… 20 “I do not (BG)ask for these only, but also for those (BH)who will believe in me through their word, 21 (BI)that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that (BJ)they also may be in (BK)us, so that the world (BL)may believe that you have sent me. 22 (BM)The glory that you have given me (BN)I have given to them, (BO)that they may be one even as we are one, 23 (BP)I in them and you in me, (BQ)that they may become perfectly one, (BR)so that the world may know that you sent me and (BS)loved them even as (BT)you loved me. 24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be (BU)with me (BV)where I am, (BW)to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me (BX)before the foundation of the world. 25 (BY)O righteous Father, even though (BZ)the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. 26 (CA)I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love (CB)with which you have loved me may be in them, and (CC)I in them.”
    [Thus sayeth the Lord God, Jesus Iesous Y’shua, God the Son.]

  • Oliver

    Hebrews 11:1 English Standard Version (ESV)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=ESV&search=Hebrews%2011:1

    By Faith

    11 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of (A)things not seen.

    Cross references:
    A.Hebrews 11:1 : Rom. 8:24; 2 Cor. 4:18; 5:7; 1 Pet. 1:8

    [Blessed be The Name of Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Iesous Y’shua, God the Son]
    Thank you Father!]
    Amen.

  • Oliver

    ESV Verse of the Day Bible Study Tools
    [Please read the Book of Revelation for whole context. Use blue gear, pulldown check all except the last. The Angels in Heaven say…]

    July 26, 2017
    http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/revelation/
    “…
    12 saying with a loud voice, 1″Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!” …”]

    Revelation 5:12 ESV
    http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/revelation/5-12.html
    [Thank you Father God for saving this sinner from the penalty of my sins through God the Son’s death on The Cross and His Resurrection to You. You loved me before the beginning of the earth. I saved loved, given mercy through Your grace alone and not of my doing lest I be proud.
    Amen.]

    • Bruce Robertson

      Go Oliver go. Yeeeeha. Mash those susceptible minds! Repeat it not 12 times, but 1200 times! Leave no room for sanity. Repetition is the key as you well know. Say it once and the stupidity is revealed. Keep saying it and it starts to become your reality. You’re very good at it aren’t you? Good on you. Be good at what you do I always say.

      • Oliver

        Flagged and turned in to Disqus as a targeted attack, down arrow given. No response necessary.
        Thank you for blessing me.
        I will pray for you.

        • If you are receiving blessings, why are you trying to prevent your blessings?

    • Kiam Larsen

      Worthy is the Lamb who was slain = the “Passover lamb” that ALL Jews in the time of Jesus ate at Passover….

  • Oliver

    What is Biblical Christianity?

    [From my mentor, friend, and Sister in Christ Jesus Iesous Y’shua Berit Kjos, watchman on the wall crossroad.to
    http://www.crossroad.to ]

    Biblical Faith versus Postmodern Thinking Chart

    [Biblical Christianity through every Scripture in The Word which is in the form of God the Son. The Only Way, Truth, and Eternal Life versus Postmodern Thinking [political correctness and non-believers]
    http://www.crossroad.to/charts/postmodernity.htm

  • Oliver

    [My favorite page of Berit Kjos please visit the link to understand in these most trying times we may have courage and blessed assurance IN Jesus Iesous Y’shua supplies through our weakness we are strong are made strong by faith alone]

    My High Tower: Seeing the World from His perspective
    “The Lord is… my High Tower and my Refuge.” 2 Samuel 22:2-
    http://www.crossroad.to/Victory/names/tower.htm

  • Oliver

    Expect more postings should The Holy Spirit lead. One can tell the promptings of the indwelling Holy Spirit when 2 or more separate sources arrivie in rapid succession in Human Time from the Timeless One.

    3 is a Holy Number. That of God-Three-in-One, I AM that (who) I AM.
    All postings for today are more than sufficient to answer the question of this devotional of Pastor Jack’s – Why Jesus Says He Is The Only One Way To Heaven.

    Amen to I AM that I AM who is the Only One who gives us eternal life through Him alone and not of our works but the works of the Holy Spirit given to us to indwell by God the Son when we follow Him. All praise, honor, and glory we owe to Thee.

    • pud

      Will you hear voices or see a vision of giant jesus?

    • The Holy Spirit is not leading your postings. You have a vivid imagination.

  • Oliver
    • Bruce Robertson

      Oliver, just admit that you have a sickness and get some help. Society will not hold you to any penalty. Reasonable people respect those who seek self improvement. Don’t be too hard on yourself.

      • pud

        They are at the extreme end of functionally mentally ill. Cognitive dissonance run absolutely wild. Right on the threshold of having a messiah complex, seeing visions, hearing voices. It’s a terrifying thing to witness isn’t it?

  • Doug Barron

    Everyone must understand; puddles has an unhealthy psychological and emotional attatchment for and toward Pastor Wellman. Puddles does not operate in the realm of rational and healthy reason or thought. Puddles is operating from a mindset of a fatal attraction. If I were Pastor Wellman, I would keep my doors locked at night.
    Father; thank you for protecting Pastor Wellman from clear and present danger, in Jesus’ name, as he presents the gospel of your kingdom.

  • rtgmath

    I simply wonder how people can reduce those who are saved down to a matter of geography and wealth.

    That *is* how this assertion tends to turn out. You are a wealthy white person, you have probably heard the gospel and been treated well enough by those who preach it to find it believable.

    But if you are poor, you have likely been called all sorts of scurrilous names by the religious community. Incompetent. Lazy. Takers. Conservatives (even Christians) talk about taking away health care. Conservatives saying that if you are sick you haven’t lived a good life. Conservatives treating you like filth for using food stamps because you work 3 jobs and still can’t make enough to live on, and then you get further criticism because you can’t be at home with your children, or find time to go to church. Oh, the prejudices are thick! And then, when they hear the gospel once, and don’t see any evidence of it’s power in the lives of “believers”, they are told they are going to hell.

    Not to mention the ones in foreign countries where the gospel isn’t preached. They have no chance even to hear. And because they can’t hear the gospel and can’t believe on Jesus, they are going to hell.

    What kind of God is that? What kind of gospel is that?

    Okay, you just keep saying that believing the way you believe is the Only Way To Heaven. You just do that. And look at the blood on your own hands. You don’t show that the gospel has any power, and you are content that God will send most of humanity to hell because they never, ever, had a chance to believe about him in the first place.

    That kind of God is a Monster. That kind of faith is Monstrous. You have to believe in Me to escape what I am going to do to you if you don’t! For God so loved the world that he sent His only Son, and if you don’t believe in Jesus God will show His Love by torturing you in Hell forever. (John 3:16, revised to reflect the gospel preached today by so many, including the author of this article).

    Address the issue. What about those who never heard. What about those who, having heard the words, never had a chance to understand the truth of it because the messengers were unworthy scumbags who lied so much about other things they couldn’t be trusted.

    Address the issues.

  • John J. Flanagan

    . It is disconcerting how some people have posted the most contentious, divisive and disagreeable remarks here. There is a civil way to criticize or comment without turning to angry words, insults, and irrationality. Those who claim to be professing believers and resort to such hateful banter to attempt to prove a point readily show that the manner and love of Jesus is far from them.

  • bpatt19

    Didn’t take long for me check out of reading this conversation. Not what I had hoped.

  • Angelo Giovas

    Inevitably the question I (and probably many people) would like to ask Pastor Jack is what he thinks happens to those who have never even heard of Jesus and does he consider the Scriptures have anything to say about them – other than they go to Hell because they have never heard about Jesus ?

    • pud

      Nothing lunatic just like what happens to gullible religious lunatics like yourself

  • ocrttol

    Th biblical quotes used in the article are consistent. But they conflict with the sheep and goats section of Matthew 25 in which Jesus explains that there is only one criterion used to decide who gets into Heaven. That is, good works. That makes a lit more sense to me, because it doesn’t exclude the majority of people on Earth who are not Christian.

  • pud

    Every cult leader that exists or ever existed claimed the same fucking thing. Your cult leader demanded that everyone hate their kin and even their own lives and be devoted only to him…just like every single fucking cult leader has ever done. Good thing it’s all a pile of dog shit.