Top 10 Things Never to Say to Your Female Pastor

So your church has a pastor – who just happens to be female.  Congratulations!  Given that many denominations and individual churches still do not allow females to be ordained clergy, the fact that your church has accepted a female pastor is cause for celebration.

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Inadvertent sexism

But despite your best efforts to be supportive of your female pastor, it’s likely that some in your church (and maybe even you yourself) have said or done things that have been hurtful, undermined her authority, or subtly cast aspersions on her leadership.  After 17 years as an ordained Lutheran (ELCA) minister, and as a seminary professor mentoring female students, I’ve learned that women in ministry face challenges that are different than their male colleagues.

So I began asking: What are some of the sexist things parishioners have said or done to you as a female in ministry? Maybe they were not intending to be sexist. Maybe they actually thought they were complimenting you or “helping” you by giving you “feedback.” But what they said left you feeling uncomfortable, annoyed, or even angry.

Here is what they shared:

  • “For such a tiny little woman, you have a lot of energy!”
  • On first meeting me: “Are you married? What does your husband think about this?”
  • “You are the prettiest pastor I’ve ever met.”
  • You are “articulate and attractive” said my ex-senior…as compared, of course, to my male associate who is “brilliant, intelligent.” I’m thinking I should have been a TV anchor instead of a pastor!
  • “You should be wearing stockings or pantyhose.” (And I am in robe down to mid-calf.)
  • After worship and I had taken off my robe, I was helping a woman get into the chair lift to leave the building. One of the elder men came up to me and said, “From this angle, I can see what you’re all about in your dress.”
  • 90% of what was said to me as a pastor involved my attire. “That’s not how a minister should dress,” and that sort of thing. My personal favorite was, “First we hire a woman and then she wears pants!”
  • I’ve been told that maybe I should wait until after my kids leave the house to pursue ordination.
  • “You’re nicer to look at than the male senior pastor.”
  • I can’t even begin to count the number of times I was told “that isn’t how a minister should dress.” When I pushed back, asking, “And how do you think I should dress?” they couldn’t come up with a significant answer. Because in their minds, a minister wears a tie.
  • My senior pastor actively fought against my receiving a raise that would put my pay scale in line with our synod guidelines. I had to go over his head to the board to advocate for myself.
  • “You can’t be old enough to be a pastor!” (I’m 42).
  • “I just can’t ever see you being a senior pastor.”

And this little gem was written about me by a congregant: “Does she want to be a pastor, a parent, or an activist?  She needs to get her priorities straight.”

Leah D. Schade, speaking at anti-fracking event in Philadelphia, with Rabbi Melissa Klein, 2009.
Leah D. Schade, speaking at anti-fracking event in Philadelphia, with Rabbi Melissa Klein, 2009.

Sigh.  For the most part, these are all nice, well-meaning people.  But they reveal just how far we have to go until female ministers are treated with the same respect as their male counterparts.

Pastoring while parenting

Female pastors with children also noted how difficult it was to balance their roles as parents and clergy, especially during worship.  One woman shared:

“I struggled with how to handle the supervision of my children when they were still little and at the church on Sundays and my husband was not around.  People didn’t seem to know it might be good to lend a hand. (When she was seven or so, my older daughter almost choked on a Life Saver one Sunday in worship while I was preaching… finally a woman got up and helped her to the bathroom.) That was where I often found tension within myself… two different roles, both important, and they were in conflict at that moment.”

Another female pastor concurred:

“The thing with helping out with your kids is so infuriating because we all know if it was a male pastor whose wife was out of town or something, everyone in the church would be clamoring to help him and the children. AND it would be accompanied by, ‘Oh, poor Pastor Jimmy having to babysit his kids while his wife is out of town.’”

There are consequences

Speaking personally, parenting while pastoring has left the sorest spots on my ministry. Not only did I receive criticism of my parenting, so did my husband. It got so bad at one point my husband and kids had to take a break from the congregation for a few weeks. We decided they would worship elsewhere since we had been told how distracting our kids were during worship. My feeling was, “You can criticize me all you want, but when you go after my husband and kids, all bets are off.” Only a handful of people actually said hurtful things, but it was so biting.

After my husband and children weren’t in church for several weeks and people asked why, I told them the truth – that my family didn’t feel welcome, so they were on a break. The response was overwhelming – apologies, tears, genuine remorse. I learned that sometimes people need to see the consequences of their actions rather than me just accommodating and making excuses for their behavior.

Photo credit: Leah D. Schade
Photo credit: Leah D. Schade

IF-WAM

As you interact with your female pastor, there are some things you’ll want to keep in mind so that you don’t inadvertently perpetuate sexist stereotypes or treat her differently than her male counterparts.  Of course, this is not a complete list.  But these are drawn from my own experiences, and my conversations with female clergy colleagues, as well as students where I serve at Lexington Theological Seminary.

As a general rule of thumb, remember IF-WAM.  Before you say something or make a comment or find yourself thinking certain things about your pastor, ask yourself:

IF (name) Were A Man, would I say, do, think or this?

In other words, if you’re thinking of saying something about your female pastor’s appearance – stop, and ask yourself – would I say the same thing if this were a male pastor?  If you wouldn’t, then don’t say it to your female pastor either.

Top Ten Things Never to Say to Your Female Pastor

[And see the follow-up piece:  7 Ways Your Church Can Support Your Female Pastor]

  1. Avoid commenting on – either complimenting or criticizing – your pastor’s appearance. This includes her body, her face, her make-up, her clothes.

Better: Give supportive feedback about the work she has done, a task she has accomplished, or a goal she has achieved.

  1. Avoid making comparisons between pastors based on gender differences.

Better:  Ask how your church can be supportive of your female pastor’s goals for leadership development and continuing education.  And then listen to what she says.

  1. Avoid falling into the gender wage gap with your female pastor.

Better:  Do the research to find out what male pastors in your area are making at the commensurate length of service.  Make sure your female pastor’s salary meets standard guidelines.

  1. Avoid making assumptions about your pastor’s long-term career goals. They may not want to remain as the Youth Minister or Child and Family Minister or Associate Minister forever.

Better:  Ask your female pastor how your church can help with questions of discernment and God’s call, so that the Church can best be served by your pastor’s gifts and skills.  And then listen to what she says.

  1. Avoid commenting on your pastor’s marital status. Don’t ask questions.  Don’t be nosy, even if you mean well.

Better: Ask how your church can be supportive of your pastor finding time to develop healthy social relationships outside of the congregation.  And then listen to what she says.

  1. If your pastor has a spouse (male or female): avoid commenting on the state of the marriage.

Better:  Ask how your church can help create sabbath time for the pastor and her spouse to build and strengthen their relationship.  And then listen to what she says.

  1. If you pastor has children: avoid commenting on her (or her spouse’s) parenting.

Better:  Ask her (and her spouse) how the church can be most helpful in supporting them as they juggle the role of parent and pastor/pastor’s spouse.  And then listen to what she/they say.

7A. If your pastor does not have children: avoid insensitive comments about her being childless (like “You’ll understand when you have children.” Or “When will we be throwing you a baby shower?”)  

Better:  Since you have no idea if your pastor wants children, is trying and unable, had a miscarriage, etc., it’s not your place to comment.  So simply be supportive and encouraging of the family she does have.

  1. Avoid setting up your pastor with the “Super Woman” syndrome, expecting her to do everything – pastoring, parenting, marriage, friendship, cooking, math, guitar-playing – at the highest levels of expertise.

Better: Ask your pastor if she feels she is receiving enough support for the areas of her life that are most important.  And then listen to what she says.

  1. Avoid the fear of offering valid critiques because you’re afraid your female pastor is too fragile, too sensitive, or too emotional.

Better: If you have a suggestion, a grievance, or what you think could be helpful feedback, ask to meet with her to share it.  Instead of criticizing her as a person, keep your focus on the work, the betterment and growth of the church, and how you or the leadership can help support her in the changes that are needed.

  1. Avoid comments and actions that denigrate, demoralize, cut down, or otherwise undermine your female pastor.

There’s no “better” here.  Just stop saying and doing those things.  You’re a Christian, remember?

Worthy of the call

Share these tips with your fellow church members, your senior pastor, your church staff members, your family members, the older congregant who “doesn’t know better,” and, yes, your female pastor.

Let’s support our female pastors – they are called by God.  Together, we can all live our lives “worthy of the calling we have received,” (Ephesians 4:1).

[For the “sequel” to this list, see:  7 Ways Your Church Can Support Your Female Pastor]


Leah D. Schade

Leah D. Schade is the Assistant Professor of Preaching and Worship at Lexington Theological Seminary (Kentucky) and author of the book Creation-Crisis Preaching: Ecology, Theology, and the Pulpit (Chalice Press, 2015).

You can follow Leah on Twitter at @LeahSchade, and on Facebook at  https://www.facebook.com/LeahDSchade/.

Clip art graphic created by Leah D. Schade.

For more of Leah’s posts on women and religion, feminism, and gender, check out these links:

7 Ways Your Church Can Support Your Female Pastor

Jesus, Mother Hen: This is the God I Want to Worship

The Case for Recognizing Mother’s Day in Church

Inclusive and Expansive Mother’s Day Prayers

Book Review: Preaching the Women of the Old Testament

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  • Annabelle P. Markey

    Here’s another one:

    Do not tell her what it’ll be like when she has children one day, or “you’ll understand one day when you have kids!” Or, on Mother’s Day, “I’ll be able to say ‘Happy Mother’s Day’ to you, too, one day, Pastor!”

    You have no idea if she wants kids, is trying and unable, had a miscarriage, etc. It’s really not your place to comment.

    • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

      Those are great additions to the list. Well, the comments are not great at all. But your response to them is important for folks to realize.

  • Fran Ota

    Leah Jacobs Schade asked me to share my observations of United Church of Canada, which were shared on Facebook. I’d add to my comments, as a bit of extra info, that a male colleague of mine tracked both men’s and women’s salaries from the time they left seminary when both started at the same level. It was quite an eye-opener.

    In most of our churches in the United Church of Canada, we don’t do the senior pastor thing at all. There may be two pastors, and one might be a kind of team leader. But mostly we are one pastor to a parish. We fortunately have a mandated salary minimums based on years of service….and this is where the system fails a bit. Most men have no problem negotiating a higher salary. Most women don’t like to negotiate, or don’t feel they can, or are afraid if they ask for more they won’t get the call. The salary minimum is decent, but there is a big discrepancy in what men get remunerated, and women in the same category. After 22 years of being ordained, at 71, I’m finally learning to negotiate and ask for more….no salary so much, but other things like funding for study, extra vacation and/or study leave. And I’m realizing how hard it is for us women to do it.

    • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

      Thanks for sharing this perspective, Fran. Can you tell us what the results were of your colleague’s tracking of salaries? Was there a notable difference between the salaries of males and females?

  • Lisa Burbank

    And if she serves in the same parish as her husband who is also a pastor, please don’t refer to them as “the Pastor and his wife.”

    • BoBraxton

      I introduce myself “I am the beautiful wife of the pastor.”

      • Lisa Burbank

        But I’m not just the beautiful wife of the pastor. I am the pastor too.

    • ian

      I sometimes get introduced as the husband of our pastor, and I am also a pastor, my wife loves it when this happens!

  • Larry Crocker

    As a male pastor for 30 years (now retired) I was occasionally told I didn’t dress like a pastor should. (I tended to go casual most days) I would often ask, “What is your New Testament reference on a pastor’s dress code?” Of course they never could give one, but if they persisted I would tell them, “Well, if I were to dress like the Prophet Isaiah was instructed to dress by God in chapter 20, you probably wouldn’t like that, either.” (I made them look it up and never heard any more about it from those folks.)

    • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

      Priceless! For those of you not familiar with the biblical reference: “At that time the Lord had spoken to Isaiah son of Amoz, saying, ‘Go, and loose the sackcloth from your loins and take your sandals off your feet’, and he had done so, walking naked and barefoot,” (Isaiah 20:2).

      Although, I suspect that if a female clergyperson were to quote that verse to those who say, “But you don’t look/act/dress like a pastor,” it could have unintended consequences at best, and completely backfire at worst!

      • Larry Crocker

        Might just tell them, “I dress commensurate with what you pay me.”

        • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

          LOL!!

  • BoBraxton

    ask Rev. Beth – ordained 1980, associate four years, 27 years senior pastor – Burke, VA retired 2011 honorably, parish associate Washington D.C.

  • SkippingDog

    While most of the guidelines are common sense for anyone who has ever worked in any coeducational institution or business environment, I must disagree with the proscription against commenting at all on the pastor’s appearance. My current pastor has a variety of handmade stoles she wears with her clerical apparel. When I see one I think is pretty, I have no qualms in telling her exactly that. It isn’t a comment on her gender or professionalism, but more of a simple human kindness and recognition.

    • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

      Good point. Complimenting liturgical apparel wouldn’t count under the rule about commenting on the pastor’s appearance. Because a stole, while certainly reflecting a pastor’s style and taste, is primarily designed to be a symbol within the worship service, thus pointing not to the pastor, but to the Divine whom the pastor is serving, and to the ministerial office itself.

      That being said, however, here’s a thought experiment based on your comment. Let’s say you have a male pastor and you admire his stole. Would you say, “Pastor John, your stole is so pretty!”? In other words, the IF-WAM rule applies here. If your pastor were a man, would you say it in this way? If not, we may need to rethink the way in which the compliment is given.

      • SkippingDog

        I would say, “Pastor John, that’s a beautiful stole. Does it have a story?”

        • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

          And that would be an appropriate thing to say to any pastor. Thanks for engaging the question!

  • Anita Covert McNamara

    I have heard of a certain famous minister who is against women’s ordination and preaching. I assume he has some Biblical warrant for his views, but perhaps he doesn’t! What are the COUNTER arguments and Biblical citations one can use to counter this position when it comes up in discussions among congregants?

    • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

      Great question, Anita. Allow me to direct you initially to the follow-up post: 7 Ways Your Church Can Support Your Female Pastor. Go to #1 (Hire a Female Minister) for a succinct argument and biblical reference. There are more, but start there. And I recommend reading Donna Schaper’s chapter on women’s ordination in her book ‘I Heart Francis’ (which I reference in the post). http://www.patheos.com/blogs/ecopreacher/2017/08/7-ways-church-support-female-pastor/

    • NorahJones

      I was told by an advisor in seminary that using Scripture to justify my call doesn’t work. Too many fundamentalists love to cherry pick. The bottom line is that God told me to do this and I followed what God said. If someone takes issue with that, I tell him/her to tell God that a mistake was made and please to send me back to teaching.

      • crackerMF

        Too many fundamentalists love to cherry pick

        religious cherry picking is not limited to fundamentalists. every jew or christian who sees his neighbor working on the sabbath and doesn’t kill him is cherry picking the bible.

  • Mary Eileen

    While I agree with not commenting on a female pastor’s appearance, it’s not an especially good alternative to “compliment her smile.” How many men are complemented on their smiles? In our culture, women are often asked to “smile,” so as to present a pleasing appearance to others. The cultural pressure to please the male gaze by smiling is outdated and unnecessary. When and whether a woman smiles is her own business.

    • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

      Good point! I need to apply IF-WAM to my own suggestions! I’ve edited that section. Thanks for that feedback. I’m planning to do a follow-up piece addressing “the male gaze” when it comes to women in ministry, body issues, and incarnational theology. Stay tuned!

      • Mary Eileen

        Great idea! Your article did reference some inappropriate comments from males, sharing their “gaze” opinions on a pastor’s appearance. Looking forward to your expansion of the topic.

    • jgh59

      I am male. My poker face is nonexistent; it is easy to read my feelings through my facial expressions. People comment on my smile all the time. If I’m not smiling, something is awry.

  • http://fivepintlutheran.blogspot.com/ David C

    One has to walk on eggshells around her it appears. Pastors and Priests are there to serve the congregation. Not the other way around. We are all called by Christ to follow him. He did not seem overly concerned with how people made him feel. If one is not able to or does not want to take this treatment the ministry is not for him or her.

    • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

      Did you read point #9?

      • http://fivepintlutheran.blogspot.com/ David C

        Yes I did. Constructive criticism is different than the poor treatment and careless statements in other parts of the article. I despise the way people treat the pastors of their congregations. Unfortunately people are that way. The article seems to be saying that she is not able to stand up to the carelessness. We attended a Congregational church with a female pastor. And I have gotten to know some additional female clergy. Shrinking violets they are not.

        • NorahJones

          You’re not very experienced with clergy if you think these things don’t happen. And they definitely shouldn’t happen.

        • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

          David, I think you may be missing the point of the article. It’s not just about parishioners mistreating their pastors or priests. It’s about the particular issues the FEMALE pastors face which are different than those of male pastors. Nowhere do I say (or believe) that female pastors are shrinking violets. Certainly, female clergy are perfectly capable of standing up to carelessness. This article was intended to help well-meaning parishioners avoid that carelessness in the first place.

    • crackerMF

      He (christ) did not seem overly concerned with how people made him feel

      but don’t get him started on fig trees. he really gets upset when those things don’t obey.

  • Carney3

    #9 comes off as insincere or even a trap in context since it’s nestled in a list of demands that nobody ever make the comments or criticisms that, according to HER, naturally come up the most often. Sure, feel at ease, and if something comes up that you want to address, go ahead .. GASP WHAT DID YOU SAY?? HOW DARE YOU!

  • morganne

    Personally, as a woman who desperately wants to work hard to properly educate herself and start her own very loving and accepting church as a pastor, I won’t and refuse to ever do so. It is too much of a distraction for many reasons for a woman to be a pastor, even if she happens to deliver the message better. One of the most basic primative reasons that will never go away is that men are hardwired to be more aroused visually, this is unavoidable. It does no good for a sermon if some of the men in the congregation are having impure thoughts they are hiding or denying in their heads. Also, a big reason is simply that men are called to be the head of the household and a house of God is a household of his children for the community. I would like to make clear that I in no way view women as slaves or lesser beings to men. We are a team with our separate and supporting roles. Women have many ways to be a powerful (although powerful should not be anyone’s goal, men included) influence in the church. Only one position should she not touch, being the head of the household. (The only exception to this would be a single mother in her own household of which there is no shame) Just like the gift of bearing child is only for women and never to be for men, so should the gift of leading one’s flock be reserved for men, and never for women. We each have our own equally valuable roles that we should not seek to deviate from lest we cause unnecessary commotion and distraction from the messages of our Lord. I don’t like it but, what I like or don’t like is not more important than what God has intended for us. God has God’s reasons and we would be fools sticking our fingers in God’s eye to claim that we know better.

    • Ms Liz

      What planet are you on and what year are you living in? Sorry, but I am ‘hardwired’ to correct you on respecting the rights of others.

      • morganne

        Ms Liz, that is not a very loving response. I am your sister. Could you explain what you view about having our God given roles is disrespectful?

      • Lugash Gilgamesh

        Ms Liz, like it or not, morganne’s view is the biblical view. If you read your Bible closely you’ll see it lays it all out pretty clearly in the New Testament; how the church is organized and what the role of each gender is both in the home and outside. 1st Timothy chapter 2 is rather clear. Female clergy are a violation of New Testament principles. God’s rules not yours, right?

        • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

          Thank you for engaging this post and discussion. See #1 in the follow-up piece at this link: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/ecopreacher/2017/08/7-ways-church-support-female-pastor/

          • Lugash Gilgamesh

            I’ve read the post you referenced and am now more confused than before. Your argument seems to be that some Biblical scripture is “archaic”, implying that it is obsolete and can be ignored, like 1 Tim. 2. This is a curious position to be in if you are also claiming that this book contains some divine instruction. How do you decide which Bible verses to ignore and which to follow? Are you implying that the Bible is not the ‘word of God’? Additionally, 1 Tim is actually in the group of newest writings in the New Testament…so does that mean that all the scripture in the Bible is “archaic” and therefore obsolete. What use is the book at all if it contains so many objectionable instructions and why don’t you just ignore the whole thing altogether?

          • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

            Great question! Yes, human beings must decide how they will decide what to take literally (and as prescriptive), what they consider historical (insightful, but not prescriptive), and what they consider metaphorical (descriptive, but not prescriptive). As a Lutheran, the hermeneutic (interpretive lens) I use is a question: “What preaches Christ?” In the case of deciding whether women can be ordained ministers, because Jesus authorized women to learn (Mary at Jesus’ feet), allowed himself to be taught by a woman (the Syrophoenician woman), and sent women to preach (Mary to the disciples with the Good News of the resurrection), that carries more weight than the instruction in Timothy.

            Another helpful tool for discernment is called the Wesleyan Quadrilateral which relies on four areas – scripture, tradition, reason, and experience. Many Christian denominations in prayerful discernment using this method have determined that women should be ordained. I think a good case can be made that the Church is stronger for it.

            Thanks again for your question!

          • Lugash Gilgamesh

            Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions, it’s very generous and I have rarely seen someone take such care with their online comments. Kudos!

            If you don’t mind continuing the conversation, I have additional questions stemming from your last response. There’s actually two sets of questions (one regarding the validity of parts of the Bible and the other about your rule of thumb about verses that preach Christ) but I’ll just start with the first set.

            Your approach to the scripture seems to strongly imply that many of the books and verses that we find in our Bibles are somehow obsolete or were not valid in the first place (i.e. the pronouncements on slavery in the OT or the instruction in 1 Timothy 2 regarding gender roles). Is this an accurate summary of how you view the text? If so, why are those verses in the Bible in the first place? What are we suppose to glean from the many challenging scriptures that sit right next to the ones we consider enlightening today? If all scripture is divinely inspired, how can we cherry-pick what we like out of what we find objectionable?

          • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

            Lugash – I appreciate your willingness to continue the conversation. These days, healthy dialogue needs to be modeled as much as possible!

            To answer your questions, first, my view of the text (informed by Lutheran background and education) is not that some books and verses were not valid in the first place. They are a witness and testimony of the people who were in a covenantal relationship with the God of Hebrews/Israelites (First Testament), and the people who were followers of Jesus Christ (Second Testament). That scripture is divinely inspired. AND that scripture was written by humans who were a product of their time. So, for example, the verses that are problematic (e.g., the ones authorizing slavery, the killing of children for disobeying their parents, etc.) and overall patriarchal orientation of the Scriptures are DESCRIPTIVE but not PRESCRIPTIVE. Whereas the verses teaching us to act in a loving way toward our enemy, and to care for “the least of these” are both descriptive AND prescriptive. The way in which we determine how to handle each text is shaped by our community of faith, the history of interpretation that has accumulated over the millennia, our personal experiences, and our reasoning process (and that four-fold process is known as the Wesleyan Quadrilateral).

            I’m uncomfortable with the term “cherry-picking,” because it implies that the process by which we discern how to interpret texts is based solely on personal choice. Rather, the church has, from the very beginning (and even within the Bible itself), continually scrutinized the witness of Scripture to determine the way in which it will impact the ongoing life of the people of God. Both Jesus and Paul quote the Hebrew Scripture and offer an interpretation that is different than what came before. Is this cherry-picking? Or is it faithful discernment of how God is guiding God’s people to engage with the Word in a living and lively process?

            One more thought – the Bible is not just one giant book, but a collection of different writings by different authors over hundreds of years written for different communities for different reasons. And there are many different genres – history, poetry, laws, hymns, narratives, parables, visions, etc. In the same way that we read a poem in a different way than a law, so we do with the biblical texts. It’s all divinely inspired, AND invites us into a deeper, richer, more complex and nuanced relationship with God’s Word.

            How about you, Lugash? Are there parts of the Bible that are objectionable to you? How do you deal with them? What is your orienting interpretive lens? In what way has the Bible both inspired you and confounded you?

          • crackerMF

            oh. it seems i castigated you earlier by mistake.

        • crackerMF

          so you are a follower of the exact words of jesus in the new testament huh? have you sold all your possessions and gave the proceeds to the poor? if not, you are a hypocrite. God’s rules not yours, right?

        • Lawrence Martire

          It’s your understanding of the Biblical view, not the only understanding.

          “Female clergy are a violation of New Testament principles.”

          Mary lifted the Body of Christ every time she stood up.

    • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

      I actually address that point in the “sequel” to this post: 7 Ways Your Church can Support Your Female Pastor. See especially point #1. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/ecopreacher/2017/08/7-ways-church-support-female-pastor/

    • dalef

      “It does no good for a sermon if some of the men in the congregation are
      having impure thoughts they are hiding or denying in their heads.”

      If a man has an occasional thought about sex, does that mean that a woman can never be in a leadership position? Does your contention extend beyond being a pastor into the business world, for example?

      In addition, do women never think about sex? However, before you answer this question, please take into account the primary audience of most romance novels.

      If women think about sex, would not a male pastor be distracting?

  • Andy Prokhorov

    So you joined a misogynist cult and then complain its members are misogynist. What a surprise!

  • Leon Czolgosz

    I would say “So, you believe in an imaginary god… tell me, does he ever talk to you? Can you get him to do it right now? If I fired this bullet at your head, do you believe some imaginary being would stop it? Or do you believe more in common sense and your real world experience in reality, that it will tear an inch wide tunnel through your head and kill you?”

    That’s what I’d say to a female pastor…

    • johnhay

      Crawl back into your hole, you bigot. This woman is sharing something for people who have faith, not dopes who believe this all just magically happened out of nowhere and subscribe to the atheism that gave us Hitler, Stalin, Pol. Pot, Mao, and billions of bodies stacked up to heaven.

      • crackerMF

        hitler was a lifelong catholic. the only nazi excommunicated by the church was joseph goebbels, who was excommunicted for marrying a protestant, not for murdering 6 million jews. stalin was trained by jesuits. pol pot and mao suppressed religion because religion competed with them for control of the uneducated masses.

    • L O

      Why would you say that to anyone regardless of their profession? You have some serious social issues.

    • Lawrence Martire

      Ah. You’re as sane as your namesake, I see.

  • Gob Bluth

    I’m an Episcopalian. I moved to Kansas City about 15 years ago. Although I don’t have any problems with female clergy, I feel most comfortable in a traditional arrangement. But, since the lutherans and Episcopals have opened the doors to female clergy, also lgbtq, these two denominations have basically been overrun by the new order. I’ve been to every church in a 20 mile radius of my home ( and trust me, theres ALOT) and it’s either women or or lgbtq priests. I haven’t had a church home in over a decade! I’m just saying, give us a choice! If the powers that be are going to have a progressive church in an area, there should also be a traditional choice to choose from. You might say, choose a new denomination right? But I’m not into feel good bands playing, waving my hands in the air, fanatics, talking in tongues, or tv style evangelicalism. Episcopal high church is about quiet worship, kneeling to pray, communion and intellectual reflection of the word. It’s what I’m most comfortable with. There’s nothing like no choice to make a person feel at home. Let the mud slinging commence.

    • Lawrence Martire

      Catholic. You know you want to.

    • https://www.creationcrisispreaching.com/ Leah D. Schade

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. If you would care to share further, could you describe how you feel when you see a female leading worship and preaching? What does seeing a female in this role evoke for you?

  • crackerMF

    one aunt is an episcopal pastor. one uncle is a catholic priest. i treat them and the delusions they both suffer from the same.