Russia threatens the U.S. base in Poland

Russia warns of response to US missile shield:

Russia says its response to the further development of a U.S. missile shield in Poland will go beyond diplomacy.

Russia’s Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying the U.S. missile shield plans are clearly aimed at weakening Russia.

The U.S. says the missile defense system is aimed at protecting the U.S. and Europe from future attacks from states like Iran.

The United States and Poland signed a deal Wednesday to place a U.S. missile defense base just 115 miles from Russia’s westernmost fringe.

“Beyond diplomacy”? What do you think that means? An airstrike to take out the anti-missile installation? If that happened, what should we do then?

This would not be an attack on a little Eastern European country like Georgia; it would be an attack on us. Is this threat enough to make you want to withdraw our installation, even though we have just signed an agreement with Poland, in the hopes of avoiding war? And please, don’t accuse any one here of wanting war. No one here wants Russia to do this. Is it war-mongering to go to war if attacked?

We need to think through these things, since wars often come upon a nation by surprise.

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  • Eric M

    Isn’t war just diplomacy by other means?

    Poland is part of NATO so if Russia decides to go “beyond diplomacy” they are taking a very big gamble.

    How would NATO react?

    Would NATO react differently do an air strike vs. an invasion?

    Does the fact that Poland and the US signed an agreement for this missile defense installation negate some of the NATO obligations?

    These same questions can be applied to Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania as well (although they do not have anti-missile installations planned at this point).

  • Eric M

    Isn’t war just diplomacy by other means?

    Poland is part of NATO so if Russia decides to go “beyond diplomacy” they are taking a very big gamble.

    How would NATO react?

    Would NATO react differently do an air strike vs. an invasion?

    Does the fact that Poland and the US signed an agreement for this missile defense installation negate some of the NATO obligations?

    These same questions can be applied to Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania as well (although they do not have anti-missile installations planned at this point).

  • http://www.saintcynic.blogspot.com Christopher

    Is it war-mongering to go to war if attacked?

    No.

    But is it war-mongering to install destructive technologies in other countries despite the insecurity it poses to, say, Russia?

    Is it war-mongering to promote the reality of war by creating technologies that specialize in mass destruction?

    Is it war-mongering to go ahead and plant highly disputed weaponry in allied countries despite the protestations of traditional opponents, thus implying the threat of war?

    Like G.K. Chesterton once said, “having the right to do a thing is not at all the same as being right in doing that thing.”

  • http://www.saintcynic.blogspot.com Christopher

    Is it war-mongering to go to war if attacked?

    No.

    But is it war-mongering to install destructive technologies in other countries despite the insecurity it poses to, say, Russia?

    Is it war-mongering to promote the reality of war by creating technologies that specialize in mass destruction?

    Is it war-mongering to go ahead and plant highly disputed weaponry in allied countries despite the protestations of traditional opponents, thus implying the threat of war?

    Like G.K. Chesterton once said, “having the right to do a thing is not at all the same as being right in doing that thing.”

  • Jeffrey G

    “Is this threat enough to make you want to withdraw our installation,”

    Yes! What are we doing there? Our presence obviously doesn’t improve our national defense if by being there we could get dragged into war.

    “even though we have just signed an agreement with Poland, in the hopes of avoiding war?”

    Who signed the agreement? If I understand correctly, it was Ms. Rice, not “we.” Can she even do that?

  • Jeffrey G

    “Is this threat enough to make you want to withdraw our installation,”

    Yes! What are we doing there? Our presence obviously doesn’t improve our national defense if by being there we could get dragged into war.

    “even though we have just signed an agreement with Poland, in the hopes of avoiding war?”

    Who signed the agreement? If I understand correctly, it was Ms. Rice, not “we.” Can she even do that?

  • rlewer

    “destructive technologies?” In what sense is a defensive system a destructive technology? Yes, they destroy incoming missles.

    Hasn’t Russia just proven the need for defense of countries that used to slaves of the Soviet Union? The KGB is again in power in Russia under the KGB leader Putin.

    In case you haven’t noticed, Ms Rice is the Secretary of State representing the USA with the authority of the President. One assumes that something will also need to pass Congress.

  • rlewer

    “destructive technologies?” In what sense is a defensive system a destructive technology? Yes, they destroy incoming missles.

    Hasn’t Russia just proven the need for defense of countries that used to slaves of the Soviet Union? The KGB is again in power in Russia under the KGB leader Putin.

    In case you haven’t noticed, Ms Rice is the Secretary of State representing the USA with the authority of the President. One assumes that something will also need to pass Congress.

  • rlewer

    By the way, does anyone still remember Hitler and Stalin. Does anyone remember what “playing nice” accomplished with them?

    It is due to the “warmongering” USA that these two systems of murder and slavery do not rule the world today.

  • rlewer

    By the way, does anyone still remember Hitler and Stalin. Does anyone remember what “playing nice” accomplished with them?

    It is due to the “warmongering” USA that these two systems of murder and slavery do not rule the world today.

  • CRB

    After reading this, the image came to mind of a chess
    game, and the thought, “the object of the game is to win!” It seems to me that the question must be, “Who
    is in checkmate at this time?”

  • CRB

    After reading this, the image came to mind of a chess
    game, and the thought, “the object of the game is to win!” It seems to me that the question must be, “Who
    is in checkmate at this time?”

  • CRB

    Correction: “who is in check at this time?”

  • CRB

    Correction: “who is in check at this time?”

  • Ryan

    I’m nervous because our forces are spread thin around the world, and many have been deployed multiple times… fatigued. I think Russia is taking advantage of this.

  • Ryan

    I’m nervous because our forces are spread thin around the world, and many have been deployed multiple times… fatigued. I think Russia is taking advantage of this.

  • Mac

    I agree with a few comments above.
    Let’s back off. We’d get a little antsy too if the Russians put missiles in Canada or Mexico. So what’s wise about sticking ours in Poland?
    This is the problem with many of our military alliances – we perceive an attack on an ally as an attack on us, when it is no such thing. This is how border disputes or minor power grabs, however lamentable or unjustified they may be, turn into horrible world wars that kill millions.

  • Mac

    I agree with a few comments above.
    Let’s back off. We’d get a little antsy too if the Russians put missiles in Canada or Mexico. So what’s wise about sticking ours in Poland?
    This is the problem with many of our military alliances – we perceive an attack on an ally as an attack on us, when it is no such thing. This is how border disputes or minor power grabs, however lamentable or unjustified they may be, turn into horrible world wars that kill millions.

  • Joe

    Mac – those same alliances also prevent many conflicts from turn into actually fighting. It changes the calculus and makes you ask is this little chuck of land really worth the cost. You can raise the costs by forming alliances.

  • Joe

    Mac – those same alliances also prevent many conflicts from turn into actually fighting. It changes the calculus and makes you ask is this little chuck of land really worth the cost. You can raise the costs by forming alliances.

  • http://www.utah-Lutheran.blogspot.com Bror Erickson

    Sorry, maybe I watched a little to much Rambo groing up. But I really don’t like the idea of Russia exerting its influence and trying to reclaim its empire. I say we put the missile shields in, and see what Russia does. Quite frankly I don’t think they are as strong as they put on. They may be able to bully a nation like Georgia around. I don’t think they will last long against our forces, which seem to be getting ready for a withdrawal from Iraq.

  • http://www.utah-Lutheran.blogspot.com Bror Erickson

    Sorry, maybe I watched a little to much Rambo groing up. But I really don’t like the idea of Russia exerting its influence and trying to reclaim its empire. I say we put the missile shields in, and see what Russia does. Quite frankly I don’t think they are as strong as they put on. They may be able to bully a nation like Georgia around. I don’t think they will last long against our forces, which seem to be getting ready for a withdrawal from Iraq.

  • Bryan Lindemood

    I need to play chess more!

  • Bryan Lindemood

    I need to play chess more!

  • CRB

    Bryan,
    Your move! :)

  • CRB

    Bryan,
    Your move! :)

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Arguably, Russia’s response has already gone “beyond diplomacy”, as it involves threats, whether they will be acted on or not.

    “Russia’s Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying the U.S. missile shield plans are clearly aimed at weakening Russia.” Does anyone here disagree with this? Does anyone believe that this “shield” was not directed at all towards Russia? Conversely, if Russia were to install an anti-missile base in Cuba, do you think the U.S. would twiddle its thumbs?

    Finally, I think the oft-heard phrase (usually from us “peace-loving” Americans) that “no one wants war” really misses the point. At a very shallow level, I suppose it’s true. And school bullies don’t actually want to get in fights, they just want to have their way in everything and to be respected and obeyed. They only get in fights when that doesn’t happen. Similarly, no one wants to go to Hell. They just want to live their lives their own way.

    What’s missing in the “no one wants war” line of thinking is the connection between what people do want and war.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Arguably, Russia’s response has already gone “beyond diplomacy”, as it involves threats, whether they will be acted on or not.

    “Russia’s Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying the U.S. missile shield plans are clearly aimed at weakening Russia.” Does anyone here disagree with this? Does anyone believe that this “shield” was not directed at all towards Russia? Conversely, if Russia were to install an anti-missile base in Cuba, do you think the U.S. would twiddle its thumbs?

    Finally, I think the oft-heard phrase (usually from us “peace-loving” Americans) that “no one wants war” really misses the point. At a very shallow level, I suppose it’s true. And school bullies don’t actually want to get in fights, they just want to have their way in everything and to be respected and obeyed. They only get in fights when that doesn’t happen. Similarly, no one wants to go to Hell. They just want to live their lives their own way.

    What’s missing in the “no one wants war” line of thinking is the connection between what people do want and war.

  • WebMonk

    tODD – agreed with the whole “no one wants war” sort of mentality you mentioned.

    If Poland wants the missile defense system, then let them pay for it and build it and run it themselves. (sell them the materials and know-how if they want)

    If WE want the missile defense system, then we need to admit it and say “This is our missile station that we’ve convinced Poland to let us build on their soil.”

    Personally, if we want a missile defense system in place to use in case of attack by Iran or Russia, I would probably want it put in Germany. For a defensive missile system aimed at stopping missiles from Iran and Russia, I wouldn’t think 300 miles further west would make a difference, but if a ground/air war was to commence at some point with Russia, I would want the missile base a bit better protected than in Poland.

  • WebMonk

    tODD – agreed with the whole “no one wants war” sort of mentality you mentioned.

    If Poland wants the missile defense system, then let them pay for it and build it and run it themselves. (sell them the materials and know-how if they want)

    If WE want the missile defense system, then we need to admit it and say “This is our missile station that we’ve convinced Poland to let us build on their soil.”

    Personally, if we want a missile defense system in place to use in case of attack by Iran or Russia, I would probably want it put in Germany. For a defensive missile system aimed at stopping missiles from Iran and Russia, I wouldn’t think 300 miles further west would make a difference, but if a ground/air war was to commence at some point with Russia, I would want the missile base a bit better protected than in Poland.

  • Joe

    tODD asks:

    “Russia’s Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying the U.S. missile shield plans are clearly aimed at weakening Russia.” Does anyone here disagree with this? Does anyone believe that this “shield” was not directed at all towards Russia? Conversely, if Russia were to install an anti-missile base in Cuba, do you think the U.S. would twiddle its thumbs?”

    I really don’t think it has was aimed at Russia. It is about Iran and Syria. It just that Poland’s fear of Russia allowed us a place to get into range of Iran’s short range missiles. Russia’s missile’s aimed at us will go over the North Pole and can be attacked from our already existing bases in Alaska and the continental US. Poland is not necessary for our defense against the Russian ICBMs.

    Russia’s outcry is more along the lines of “hey world were still here and we still want to be relevant.” I guess you could argue it was aimed at further marginalizing Russia. May be that is true, but militarily these really don’t do much via Russia’s attack capability against the US.

    As for Russian defensive weapons in Cuba, that is not the issue. Offensive weapons are. Since early August the reports have been that Russia was going to deploy long range bombers in Cuba. Some claims are that they already have people on the ground working out the logistics. Russia has denied the stories and said the bombers are retaliation to the idea of a missile shield in any of the former satellites.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/cuba/chi-russia-cuba-letterjul27,0,5076564.story?track=rss

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/04/Russia_considers_military_presence_in_Cuba/UPI-93251217874314/

    As I understand the timeline:

    1. we proposed the idea of the shield components being in the former satellites,

    2. or 3. Czech Republic agreed to the radar systems,

    2 or 3. Russia started the process of putting offensive weapons in Cuba

    4. We put defensive weapons in Poland.

  • Joe

    tODD asks:

    “Russia’s Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying the U.S. missile shield plans are clearly aimed at weakening Russia.” Does anyone here disagree with this? Does anyone believe that this “shield” was not directed at all towards Russia? Conversely, if Russia were to install an anti-missile base in Cuba, do you think the U.S. would twiddle its thumbs?”

    I really don’t think it has was aimed at Russia. It is about Iran and Syria. It just that Poland’s fear of Russia allowed us a place to get into range of Iran’s short range missiles. Russia’s missile’s aimed at us will go over the North Pole and can be attacked from our already existing bases in Alaska and the continental US. Poland is not necessary for our defense against the Russian ICBMs.

    Russia’s outcry is more along the lines of “hey world were still here and we still want to be relevant.” I guess you could argue it was aimed at further marginalizing Russia. May be that is true, but militarily these really don’t do much via Russia’s attack capability against the US.

    As for Russian defensive weapons in Cuba, that is not the issue. Offensive weapons are. Since early August the reports have been that Russia was going to deploy long range bombers in Cuba. Some claims are that they already have people on the ground working out the logistics. Russia has denied the stories and said the bombers are retaliation to the idea of a missile shield in any of the former satellites.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/cuba/chi-russia-cuba-letterjul27,0,5076564.story?track=rss

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/04/Russia_considers_military_presence_in_Cuba/UPI-93251217874314/

    As I understand the timeline:

    1. we proposed the idea of the shield components being in the former satellites,

    2. or 3. Czech Republic agreed to the radar systems,

    2 or 3. Russia started the process of putting offensive weapons in Cuba

    4. We put defensive weapons in Poland.

  • rlewer

    Speaking of Poland:

    Does anyone remember how WWII started? Germany AND Russia took over Poland and divided it.

    Does any remember what happened to the Polish resistance when the Russians marched in at the end of the war?

    The Poles have good reason to be deadly afraid of Russia and to seek allies to keep them from returning to slave state status again.

    Again, these are anti-missle missles. They do not attack anyone.

  • rlewer

    Speaking of Poland:

    Does anyone remember how WWII started? Germany AND Russia took over Poland and divided it.

    Does any remember what happened to the Polish resistance when the Russians marched in at the end of the war?

    The Poles have good reason to be deadly afraid of Russia and to seek allies to keep them from returning to slave state status again.

    Again, these are anti-missle missles. They do not attack anyone.

  • Harry

    Russia’s complaint about the missile defense system is just a rouse. Russia would like to force Poland and others that were in the former Soviet Empire back into the fold. In case anybody doesn’t remember, this may be 1938 all over again, “Peace In Our Time”.

  • Harry

    Russia’s complaint about the missile defense system is just a rouse. Russia would like to force Poland and others that were in the former Soviet Empire back into the fold. In case anybody doesn’t remember, this may be 1938 all over again, “Peace In Our Time”.

  • Mark

    Suck the price of oil down below what the Russians can afford to pump their oil out at like was done in the 80s. Do this by aggresive pursuit of nuclear and oil power. Shift R&D on missile defense to shooting missiles down as they are launched not mid course or terminal. Would I attack in response to them bombing Poland once. With much counsel and advice, yes.

  • Mark

    Suck the price of oil down below what the Russians can afford to pump their oil out at like was done in the 80s. Do this by aggresive pursuit of nuclear and oil power. Shift R&D on missile defense to shooting missiles down as they are launched not mid course or terminal. Would I attack in response to them bombing Poland once. With much counsel and advice, yes.

  • http://www.scyldingsinthemeadhall.blogspot.com The Scylding

    I realise we are not discussing Georgia anymore, but these issues are related. So, in that vein, here is some recommended reading on the Caucasus: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/article4522162.ece

  • http://www.scyldingsinthemeadhall.blogspot.com The Scylding

    I realise we are not discussing Georgia anymore, but these issues are related. So, in that vein, here is some recommended reading on the Caucasus: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/article4522162.ece

  • Sam

    Um, Scylding, thanks for the book review, but being a Canadian, you don’t get how the US goes to war, do you? We don’t care about the history of the regions we bomb and invade. Aren’t you paying attention to Iraq? Didn’t Vietnam teach you a thing?
    Sure, you mean well by citing us to a scholarly book about the contemporary interplay of ancient cultures in the Caucuses, but so what? We Americans know in our hearts that the Russians are evil. And that’s all we want or need to know.

  • Sam

    Um, Scylding, thanks for the book review, but being a Canadian, you don’t get how the US goes to war, do you? We don’t care about the history of the regions we bomb and invade. Aren’t you paying attention to Iraq? Didn’t Vietnam teach you a thing?
    Sure, you mean well by citing us to a scholarly book about the contemporary interplay of ancient cultures in the Caucuses, but so what? We Americans know in our hearts that the Russians are evil. And that’s all we want or need to know.

  • Anon

    It is difficult to believe that Putin and his protege Medvedev are insane. But perhaps they are. The Old Soviet Empire was not so baldly belligerent (at least not since Kruschev). The Old Soviet generals did not want a nuclear war. But the Army lost the contest for power between the Party, the KGB and the Army. This is very disturbing. Have we been verifying, or only trusting, that they dismantled the warheads treaty required them to do? They have been upgrading their ICBMs, while we are stuck with 1960s era Minutemen, as Congress wouldn’t allow Peacemaker to be built on the racetrack to compete with Russia’s truck-mobile ICBMs.

    Christopher, of course we have not and do not plan on installing any destructive devices in Poland that threaten Russia. Anti-missile missiles only shoot down incoming atomic warheads. That can only be a threat to a nuclear strike, it is no threat to the Rodina. Building a moat around a castle is not an offensive act. I do not think that Chesterton would have advocated preemptive surrender to a hostile power as you do in your post. He was rather opposed to the idea of slavery.

    Mac, actually Putin has talked of putting offensive missiles – atomic-tipped ICBMs back in Cuba. Not defensive missiles, but offensive ones.

    tODD, how does this weaken Russia? Only if they base their strength upon some future planned nuclear strike against Europe or the U.S. If so, then we had better build a lot more of these, rather than fewer.

    Sam, why are you parroting the KGB propaganda line? Shame on you for your lies and falsehoods.

    BTW, Russia appears to have no intentions of leaving Georgia proper, let alone South Ossetia or Abkhazia. They are digging in, and apparently committing atrocities. Do you remember the grenades they used to put in dolls they parachuted into Afghani villages? Do you think that was the Army, or the KGB?

  • Anon

    It is difficult to believe that Putin and his protege Medvedev are insane. But perhaps they are. The Old Soviet Empire was not so baldly belligerent (at least not since Kruschev). The Old Soviet generals did not want a nuclear war. But the Army lost the contest for power between the Party, the KGB and the Army. This is very disturbing. Have we been verifying, or only trusting, that they dismantled the warheads treaty required them to do? They have been upgrading their ICBMs, while we are stuck with 1960s era Minutemen, as Congress wouldn’t allow Peacemaker to be built on the racetrack to compete with Russia’s truck-mobile ICBMs.

    Christopher, of course we have not and do not plan on installing any destructive devices in Poland that threaten Russia. Anti-missile missiles only shoot down incoming atomic warheads. That can only be a threat to a nuclear strike, it is no threat to the Rodina. Building a moat around a castle is not an offensive act. I do not think that Chesterton would have advocated preemptive surrender to a hostile power as you do in your post. He was rather opposed to the idea of slavery.

    Mac, actually Putin has talked of putting offensive missiles – atomic-tipped ICBMs back in Cuba. Not defensive missiles, but offensive ones.

    tODD, how does this weaken Russia? Only if they base their strength upon some future planned nuclear strike against Europe or the U.S. If so, then we had better build a lot more of these, rather than fewer.

    Sam, why are you parroting the KGB propaganda line? Shame on you for your lies and falsehoods.

    BTW, Russia appears to have no intentions of leaving Georgia proper, let alone South Ossetia or Abkhazia. They are digging in, and apparently committing atrocities. Do you remember the grenades they used to put in dolls they parachuted into Afghani villages? Do you think that was the Army, or the KGB?

  • http://www.scyldingsinthemeadhall.blogspot.com The Scylding

    Anon: Just try to see that an issue could have 2 sides, will you? I’m not supporting the Russians in there latest actions, but I certainly haven’t been supporting the Americans in Iraq and Kosovo.

    When it comes to land, people, boundaries, religions and cultures, there are countless shades of grey. And we could do well to try and inform ourselves, before pressing the red buttons.

  • http://www.scyldingsinthemeadhall.blogspot.com The Scylding

    Anon: Just try to see that an issue could have 2 sides, will you? I’m not supporting the Russians in there latest actions, but I certainly haven’t been supporting the Americans in Iraq and Kosovo.

    When it comes to land, people, boundaries, religions and cultures, there are countless shades of grey. And we could do well to try and inform ourselves, before pressing the red buttons.

  • WebMonk

    Anon – If Russia were to build a kick-butt anti-missile system in Canada that could take out any missile in the western hemisphere within 5 minutes of launch, they would have pretty effectively crippled our military strength. America would scream bloody murder and probably do pre-emptive strikes against the missile sites.

    Do you disagree with that? No. Then what on earth makes you think the Russians are going to passively sit by while we do that exact thing to them? Get real. They trust us about as much as we trust them.

  • WebMonk

    Anon – If Russia were to build a kick-butt anti-missile system in Canada that could take out any missile in the western hemisphere within 5 minutes of launch, they would have pretty effectively crippled our military strength. America would scream bloody murder and probably do pre-emptive strikes against the missile sites.

    Do you disagree with that? No. Then what on earth makes you think the Russians are going to passively sit by while we do that exact thing to them? Get real. They trust us about as much as we trust them.

  • Anon

    Webmonk, yes, I do disagree with you, and in no way would 10 missiles with a maybe 4/5 kill ratio, be a threat to our arsenal.

    Objecting to defensive systems is very suspicious. If a farmer complains to another farmer about fencing in his apple orchard, isn’t there a strong likelihood he was taking apples?

  • Anon

    Webmonk, yes, I do disagree with you, and in no way would 10 missiles with a maybe 4/5 kill ratio, be a threat to our arsenal.

    Objecting to defensive systems is very suspicious. If a farmer complains to another farmer about fencing in his apple orchard, isn’t there a strong likelihood he was taking apples?

  • rlewer

    Sam,

    It is not the Russians that are evil. It is their government. It was 10 million members of the Soviet Union that were killed under the Soviet government. Look at the record.

  • rlewer

    Sam,

    It is not the Russians that are evil. It is their government. It was 10 million members of the Soviet Union that were killed under the Soviet government. Look at the record.

  • Sam

    Rlewer -
    You wouldn’t know it by reading some posts on this blog, but we do live in post-Soviet times now. Stalin died in ’53, and this is not ’38 or ’39.
    In war, while governments may topple, people die. Lots of them. We killed thousands and thousands of innocent Japanese and Germans during WW2 (atomic and fire bombs) while trying to destroy their evil governments. These terrified people took comfort, I’m sure, in knowing, as our bombs fell, that we did not think they were evil, only their leaders.

  • Sam

    Rlewer -
    You wouldn’t know it by reading some posts on this blog, but we do live in post-Soviet times now. Stalin died in ’53, and this is not ’38 or ’39.
    In war, while governments may topple, people die. Lots of them. We killed thousands and thousands of innocent Japanese and Germans during WW2 (atomic and fire bombs) while trying to destroy their evil governments. These terrified people took comfort, I’m sure, in knowing, as our bombs fell, that we did not think they were evil, only their leaders.

  • rlewer

    How is the present Russian government different from the Soviet government? Putin was the head of the KGB under the Soviet government. His views haven’t changed.

    How do anti-missiles hurt civilians or anyone else? Why do the Eastern European countries desperately want to be part of NATO? They might know something you don’t.

    Next we will be saying that Bush started WWII.

  • rlewer

    How is the present Russian government different from the Soviet government? Putin was the head of the KGB under the Soviet government. His views haven’t changed.

    How do anti-missiles hurt civilians or anyone else? Why do the Eastern European countries desperately want to be part of NATO? They might know something you don’t.

    Next we will be saying that Bush started WWII.

  • Anon

    I want to apologize for accusing certain people of lies – they might really believe it. It is preposterous in my eyes, but they may well be honest in their opinions.

  • Anon

    I want to apologize for accusing certain people of lies – they might really believe it. It is preposterous in my eyes, but they may well be honest in their opinions.

  • Luis

    I think the U.S is doing well setting missiles in Poland, Russia is all the time threatening europe aiming us with missiles when they get offended, we shoudl threaten them too, and we can put missiles where we want around europe so they should shut up the fuck up… doesn’t matter if that’s for Iran or not.

  • Luis

    I think the U.S is doing well setting missiles in Poland, Russia is all the time threatening europe aiming us with missiles when they get offended, we shoudl threaten them too, and we can put missiles where we want around europe so they should shut up the fuck up… doesn’t matter if that’s for Iran or not.


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