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  • Phil Miller

    “You keep on using that word…”

  • Taylor George

    Or, why reformed theology will make your brain explode.

  • jon

    Are we even sure this is real? I “made” a creative church sign in under a minute.

    http://d.pr/i/VFZl

  • @Taylor: I notice it’s a Foursquare Gospel church–classical Pentecostal, certainly not Reformed. I know; I was baptized in one (in Rockford, IL–near Scot’s stomping grounds). As someone who deeply appreciates the Biblical teaching my pastors gave me, I am sincerely hoping this was a joke….

  • Josh

    God cant turn his love off. Its part of his immutable character.

  • Larry S

    Jon…. Brilliant !

  • Carlton Hobbs

    I’ve been trying to find the origin of the phrase, “unconditional love”. It is not in the Bible, and every argument for it only lists passages with conditions like John 3:16. My guess is the phrase came from Augustine, as it fits with his disturbed ideas about sex as always evil and barely tolerated even in marriage and transmitter of original sin, and his opposition to Pelagius. I started a thread on the talk page on unconditional love on Wikipedia challenging the world to help find the origin of the phrase.

  • MatthewS

    Carlton, I think it would also be fair to push back against the idea of conditional love. I would take conditional love to mean that there is something in my power to do that I can avail myself of more or less of God’s love. His love for me will wax and wane based on something that I do.

    Financial success, physical health, skills and abilities, accomplishments – these things tend to be quite conditional based on things both in and outside of our control. But the love that God has for us – I would be curious to see where Scripture suggests that I can stir up more love from God to me.

    Against that, someone might cite the places where it says we love him because he first loved us, that nothing can separate us from the love of God, that if grace is the result of work then it is no longer grace, and that while we were still sinners Christ died for us.

  • Taylor George

    Rob, sorry if you took offense. The reformed movement has spread to virtually every corner (pun intended). Seriously though which is it? Does God love us [all] or not. And if he loves us is it based on obedience. These are complicated theological questions that, yes, blow my mind.

  • Taylor, no offense taken. Foursquare folks have always been solidly Arminian and–I thought–would say that God does love us all, with a love that isn’t conditioned on obedience. So I’m kind of scratching my head on this one. Maybe if their pastor would explain. . . .