Traditional Latin Mass Finds Support Among Young Priests

Liturgy is a contentious topic.

Often, traditionalists feel strongly that their preferred form of liturgy (the Extraordinary Form) is superior.  Those with a more modern bent are convinced the Novus Ordo is an improvement, and decry the idea of “going backwards” to the pre-Vatican liturgy.

I happened recently to see a comment posted by Sherry Weddell, founder of the Called and Gifted Workshops and author of several popular books including Forming Intentional Disciples and The Catholic Spiritual Gifts Inventory.

Sherry cited an article titled “New Priests and the Old Mass” which spotlighted the increase in interest in the Tridentine Mass among young, recently ordained priests.  Concurrent with this interest in traditional worship was an increase in the number of priestly vocations.

Sherry made a point that I’ve tried to make, as well:  Namely, that regardless of one’s personal preference, both forms of worship are legitimate and are accepted by the Church, and criticism of one’s fellow Catholics because they attend the other form is inappropriate and un-Christian.

I’ve asked Sherry’s permission to repost here.

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 By Sherry Weddell

In 10 years of commenting and posting online, I normally NEVER post on liturgical subjects at all because of the seeming inevitable descent into completely unedifying rancor that ensures. I’m making an exception here because of some rare hard data that I think gives a valuable perspective.

(But let me make it clear: This is a ZERO TOLERANCE zone for liturgical flamefests! Unedifying, rancorous comments here will vanish in a nanosecond and their author will be close behind.)

Now to the point: The article below states that there were 420 “weekly” Traditional Latin Masses (TLM) celebrated in the US in 2013.

One obvious question: Does “weekly” means these 420 TLMs are celebrated on weekends or simply once a week on any day of the week – so every Tuesday for instance? The evaluation below presume that “weekly” means “weekend”. 

First observation: The growth rate in Traditional Masses between 2007 and 2010 was huge – 78%! Obviously there was a considerable amount of pent up demand.

Second observation: According to the graph, the rate of growth seems to have dropped off dramatically during the next 3 year period between 2010 and 2013. There was only 5% growth in the number of weekly TLMs during those three years. 

If by “weekly”, we mean “weekend” TLMs, here’s what this translates into nationally.

In 2013, there are 17,413 parishes in the US who offer an average of 3.8 weekend Masses per parish which means that about 66,169 Masses were celebrated on an average weekend in the US. For a total US Catholic population of 78.2 million (this includes all who still claim a Catholic identity whether or not they are practicing) in 2013.

That means that the 420 weekend TLMs would make up about 6/10th of 1% of American weekend Masses in 2013. (If we divvy up the American Catholic population by TLM Masses, that’s 186,190 Catholics per TLM.)

The approximately 65,749 OF Masses celebrated would constitute 99.4% of American weekend Masses in 2013. (If we divvy up the American Catholic population by OF Masses, we find there is 1,189 Catholics per OF Mass.)

There are a number of important questions that could be asked of the existing data. But one thing I do want to point out:

The next time you read or hear someone talking about the Ordinary Form Mass as though it is a) invalid or b) technically valid but essentially corrupt and fruitless; 3) that those who attend the OF are not serious, faithful Catholics, are blind, spiritually shallow, etc.

*Remember they are talking about 99.4% of all the Masses offered in the United States every weekend!* 

It is long past time for that kind of discourse to be rooted out of the Catholic community. No matter what Mass you attend or prefer, it is time to honor your Catholic brothers and sisters and treat them and the legitimate Mass they attend in obedience to God with charity and reverence for the whole resurrected Christ who is present there.

 

  • Brian Williams

    My article “New Priests and the Old Mass” over at Liturgy Guy only discussed the appeal that the traditional liturgy has for many younger priests. To be clear, nothing in my piece denigrates the Ordinary Form of the Mass. Here is how I replied back to Sherry’s original comment on my blog:

    The 420 or so Traditional Latin Masses are indeed Sunday masses. Here is an excellent Regina Magazine interview with Byron Smith of Una Voce America from last summer:

    http://reginamag.com/update-latin-mass-america-today/

    While the stats you reference are interesting, I think the resurgence of the Traditional Latin Mass in America is a much more miraculous story than the numbers reflect.

    We begin with literally just a handful of TLMs in 1984, in only about 3 dioceses total, to less than 20 Sunday masses at the time of Ecclesia Dei in 1988. Then, as you noted, a 78% increase in weekly Sunday masses from 2007-2010! Of course the pace then slows down since we still do not have enough priests trained to offer the Mass according to the 1962 Missal. Also, many traditionalists begin to transfer to the parishes offering TLM’s.

    What’s most interesting now is that over 170 dioceses offer the TLM! With almost 200 diocese in the US, that means that nearly 90% now offer a regular Latin Mass. What an awesome resurgence! Anecdotally, what we now all realize too is that those assisting at the TLM are YOUNG families…and BIG families! This is not nostalgia, but instead, it is the next generation.

    As you may know, there was a great deal of resistance to the TLM in many places up until Summorum Pontificum…and this unfortunately is still sometimes the case.

    Sherry, I am not as familiar with your work as I should be. Having authored “Forming Intentional Disciples”, do you agree with prelates such as Cardinal Burke and Archbishop Sample that evangelization and the rebuilding of the Church MUST include recovering sacred liturgy?

    Great quote here from Archbishop Sample:

    “I am solidly convinced that an authentic and faithful renewal and reform of
    the sacred liturgy is not only part of the New Evangelization—it is
    essential to its fruitfulness. The liturgy has the power to form and
    transform the Catholic faithful. We must live by the axiom lex orandi, lex
    credendi (the law of praying is the law of believing). What we celebrate
    in the Mass expresses the essential content of the faith, and it also
    reinforces our faith when celebrated well and with fidelity. The liturgy
    both teaches us and expresses what we believe. If we do not get the sacred
    liturgy right, I fear that we will just be spinning our wheels rather than
    getting the New Evangelization going in the right direction. If we are
    transformed by the sacred liturgy, then we, as believers, can help
    transform the culture.”
    Brian Williams “Liturgy Guy”

    • Athelstane

      We begin with literally just a handful of TLMs in 1984…

      This is also a fair point. There’s no disputing Sherry’s point that the TLM remains a very small fraction (less than 1%) of all Sunday Masses celebrated in the U.S. The TLM remains outside the lived experience of the vast majority of American Catholics (at least under age 60 or so).

      And yet by all rights the TLM should not exist now at all. It ought to be as much an artifact as the Hereford Rite. In 1984, it was for all purposes nonexistent. It may not, per Pope Benedict, have been abrogated, but it was most certainly obrogated, at least outside the canonically murky precincts of the SSPX (which was also much smaller in those days). Today, only thirty years later, there are 420 licit Sunday Masses – which comes out to an entire (typical) diocese’s worth of Sunday Masses, which is no mean feat, especially given the opposition or indifference it has encountered from most of the Church hierarchy in the U.S..

      • AugustineThomas

        Let me guess, you’re a Novus Ordo Catholic and you’re more comfortable with heresy than the teachings of the Church..

        • RPTMS

          Read the post again, carefully.

        • Athelstane

          I’m not sure how you deduced that from my post. The point is to reaffirm the tremendous achievement that we have seen as the 1962 Missal went from basically zero licit TLMs to well over 400 in less than three decades, even in the face of heavy ecclesiastical resistance.

          And I’m never comfortable with heresy.

        • Lector at Mass

          Augustine: You sound like the same Pharisees who condemned Jesus. You’re more concerned over church ritual than with righteousness –true worship from the heart. Neither the TLM or the Novus Ordo are a condition of salvation. Best if you center yourself on more important things.

          • MaskedRacer

            The comments from “Lector at Mass ” is what the modernnists think, but they have ritual of their own now. Gut out everything. The new sutff is ritual too. But Gay masses or something with new age dancers (see LA diocsese seems like one heck of a bad ritual to me.

          • Lector at Mass

            @MaskedRacer: I am not a “Modernist” –but to your point, if AB Mahoney began allowing Gay Mass and New Age feminist nuns to choreograph dancing on the altar, such clergy (including Mahoney) should have been disciplined, demoted and penalized years ago. That’s essentially the problem with the church, they never get rid of anybody. For all this ballyhoo over “blessed” JP2 and sainthood, isn’t he the guy who appointed most of these spineless Bishops who failed to report abuse to law enforcement? And while Bishop Zavala resigned as Bishop after admitting he fathered two children, the LA Archdiocese still maintains his job security for life. We can have another conversation re LA’s Bishop Gomez who also should be fired.

          • http://www.rainecarraway.com/ Raine Carraway

            True, but not all NO masses are like that and I would say that the majority don’t have actual liturgical abuses. Some of them do seem rather insipid and uninspiring, especially compared to the Extraordinary Form or even some of the more reverent and majestic celebrations of the Ordinary Form, but there’s a difference between cheesy music and tacky churches and outright abuse and illicit innovations.

            To be fair, I am one of the lucky ones to have found a home parish that has only the Novus Ordo on Sundays, but offers this Mass in a very reverent and beautiful form, following the rubrics instead of going off on their own with new twists or trying to emulate the Protestant hippy Jesus movement or folk churches of the 70s and 80s. I never understood the criticisms at first, because of this, but I have attended a few NO Masses in the past year or two while traveling that have made me understand the criticisms.

            What I would love to see would be a return to reverence and honor of tradition and the liturgy in the NO mass, where it is celebrated the way I have seen it celebrated and the way I have been assured it was intended to be. At the same time, I would also love to see the TLM offered at least every Sunday in most places, so that it is more accessible, and for people to be encouraged to attend rather than seeing it as a curiosity or a relic of the past.

        • Ohio Ann

          I think you misunderstand his use of the word “ought.”

          • Athelstane

            I think his eyes locked on my phrase “the TLM should not exist now at all” and simply assumed the worst, without reading the rest of my comment.

            The point is that, at least in the U.S. (though the growth has been similarly explosive in parts of Europe) the TLM outside the SSPX has grown from basically nothing to a diocese’s worth of Sunday Masses in less than three decades (indeed, half of that growth was in the last seven years), and it has done so against a backdrop of ecclesiastical hostility and indifference. Brian Williams is right: This is a remarkable development, and a testament not only to the dedication of growing adherents to the Roman Rite liturgical tradition and its natural attractiveness, but the Holy Spirit working to restore all things in Christ.

        • Daniel Cornell

          Have you ever considered a charitable approach to winning people over to the TLM? I’m a huge fan of the TLM, but I don’t see how this approach helps. I understand why you are upset with frequent liturgical abuse, but perhaps you could explain why the TLM brings you so much joy and peace instead of attacking someone as a heretic behind an anonymous computer screen. I think us TLM-goers need to stop resorting to sarcastic one-liners and name calling, and start actually engaging people to learn about the beauty of the TLM.

          • MaskedRacer

            It is charitable to point out flaws in the church. The NO has a ton of them. Which has caused fundamental issues to the flock. Most catholics can not properly defend their faith anymore. The article talks about how it is wrong for people to critizise another “form” but that is nothing but a cop out and gives those who want to improv their NO masses and have the tabernacle on the side an excuse to do what they want.

            Satan iust needs a tiny crack in the door to bust its way through. Vatican II provided that crack.

  • Terik123

    Those who choose to live in the past will die there—we are tradition as much as the 16th century rubicists.

    • Brian Williams

      What an odd comment. Who is living in the past? 16th century rubricists? Most Catholics who attend the Ordinary Form argue its continuity with our liturgical patrimony. Are you suggesting rupture? Are you saying the Gregorian Mass, such as the Canon (i.e. Eucharistic Prayer 1 which we have had since at least the 6th century) is “in the past”? Pope Pius V codified the Mass of the Roman Rite. Why are you narrowly focusing upon the 16th century? Are you dismissing Catholic liturgy that utilizes a missal prior to 1970? How does your view compliment or support the mutual enrichment of both forms of the Roman Rite that our Popr Emeritus discussed in Summorum Pontificum and it’s accompanying letter in 2007?

      Your very comment seems to be an attack against tradition. The Body of Christ has been greatly hurt by those who dismiss that which came before it’s most recent ecumenical Council (1962-1965). This goes even beyond matters of our liturgy. Applying a hermeneutic of continuity helps to prevent a mentality that dismisses m of which came prior to 50 years ago…a brief span of time in the history of Christianity.

      May God bless you as we enter into Holy Week!

  • Romulus

    It’s certainly my observation, from regular contact with seminarians and the recently ordained, as well as young families, that the young are disproportionately drawn to the x-form. While I find this encouraging, it must be noted that this form of the liturgy is more demanding on all concerned, in terms of time, money, ministers, and of course lay commitment. All worth it IMO, but hard to sell to those of a utilitarian, consumerist mindset whining about what they’re “not getting out of mass”.

    • AugustineThomas

      We have one priest and four altar boys. Every NO Mass I’ve been to, the altar has been crowded (and sometimes not just with priests). A lot more effort goes into NO Masses and a lot less spiritual fruit is produced.

      • jaybird1951

        You have no idea if that claim is true. How can you measure “spiritual fruit” from those Masses unless you read souls?

  • johnnyc

    Of course no mention of the animosity directed toward Traditionalists and the TLM from liberal catholics.

  • Lisa

    I almost left the Church until I found TLM. It’s not for everyone. Hopefully one day the TLM will be its on order. There are many orders and there’s room for everyone.

  • Athelstane

    Thanks for this look at the data, Sherry.

    One point I might address: According to the graph, the rate of growth seems to have dropped off dramatically during the next 3 year period between 2010 and 2013. There was only 5% growth in the number of weekly TLMs during those three years.

    This has been noticed before, both with frustration by traditionalists, and with some sense of satisfaction by opponents, who assume there is some (fairly low) ceiling for interest in the TLM, given the demands it makes on communicants, and that it was reached, more or less, after the initial post-Summorum Pontificum burst of new Masses.

    What the ceiling of interest in the TLM really is (let us assume there is one) is hard to gauge, however. There are 191 dioceses in North America, and all but a few now have at least one regular TLM, and the great majority have at least a weekly Sunday TLM. This was not the case before 2007. But what it may reflect, at least in many cases, was the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei’s impatience with dioceses (at least on this continent) that refused to concede even one regular TLM. But once that objective was reached, it became easier for dioceses to resist further concessions on this front. In my major archdiocese, attempts to add a TLM in other parishes, even with a sizable group and a supportive pastor, have been met with a consistent refrain: “There’s already a parish that celebrates the TLM downtown at St. ____, and we don’t want to prejudice that. You need to go there.” No matter how far of a commute it is, or how packed to standing room only it has become.

    In short, resistance to further expansion of traditional Masses remains considerable in chanceries throughout the land, though this is changing, slowly, in some places. In the face of such opposition, it is a slow and hard slog to expand TLM’s even with a large and vigorous lay group in support. And young priests who wish to do so must often think long and hard about the consequences of campaigning for it outside a private Mass setting.

    • AugustineThomas

      The only “ceiling” would be that imposed by Pope Francis, who, like most NO Catholics, is offended by the fact that most people who go to the proper Mass are more orthodox than he is.

      • jaybird1951

        That is a slanderous and a very uncharitable comment on your part about Pope Francis. You make zero friends for your position with that type of mindset. .

      • Athelstane

        I disagree.

        The only real thing that Pope Francis has done tangibly (so far) is his authorization of the visitation (more bluntly, crackdown) on the Franciscans of the Immaculate. And that is a very bad thing, no question; but the Pope is not really the problem right now.

        The real opposition remains at the local level. In chanceries. And rectories. It is in such places that we find the first and most powerful roadblocks to reopening the treasures of tradition to Catholics. There are exceptions, and they are growing, but most ordinaries remain hostile or indifferent, and even when they are not, they too often still employ (and inherited) chancery officials who *are* quite hostile.

        All that said: This Pope has said a number of things I find puzzling and even troubling, but I think it is quite unhelpful, and uncharitable, to call his orthodoxy into question like this.

      • Lector at Mass

        Augustine has decided he alone (in his delusional godhead) is the final judge of what is a “proper” Mass. Seems Augustine has shoved the gospel to the back of the bus. Show us where Jesus said “Whenever 2 or more gather in my name **at the TLM only** I will be with you.”

  • Doreen

    I greatly appreciate Sherry statistical abilities. I would be interested to know what the proportion of priestly vocations is coming out of the relatively small percentage (6/10 of 1% ) of attendees at the EO Masses. While I certainly love the Mass in both forms I often wonder which form Our Dear Lord prefers?

    • AugustineThomas

      I think the answer to that question is obvious.. The one that DIDN’T bring his Church to its knees.

    • Marguerite Crain

      God was not pleased with Cain’s “fruit of the vine and work of human hands..”

    • Athelstane

      I don’t think that anyone has ever done a thorough statistical analysis of that – though I think it’s obvious that the overall rate of such vocations is considerably higher than the norm in diocesan life.

  • M P P

    At first, attending a TLM seems so strange because we are used to being spectators in a way and singing and used to more noise etc. But then it grows on you and as you pray with the missal, you come to love the beautiful prayers. I can attend a TLM a couple of times a month usually at noon on a Sunday at a nearby parish. I go when I can. The reverence and the demeanor of those who attend is edifying. And Father always seems to have a teaching in his homily which is so welcome. I hope to see the TLM grow as it will affect the reverence in any parish that embraces it and that will overflow to the OF.
    But, absolutely, there must be charity no matter which liturgical form is liked the best. For that matter, I also appreciate the Divine Liturgy as well. I just really cannot tolerate liturgical abuse very well and that is one thing you do not seem to find at the TLM or Divine Liturgy.

    • Daniel Cornell

      God bless you for giving the TLM a chance. I started going a few years ago, and it definitely took some time to get used to following along in the missal. It becomes quite easy after awhile as I’m sure you are realizing. The one thing I love about the TLM is the complete focus on the tabernacle throughout the Mass. The tabernacle is the center of attention (not the priest). When I go to a non-traditional parish where the tabernacle is off to the side, it completely disorients me.

  • Susy

    HI! I just read your article and am in a bit of disagreement on the number of Masses said weekly on the Traditional Rite, now let me preface this by saying I am a ‘Traddy”
    sedevacantist however you choose to classify me. I attend DAILY Mass plus Saturday and of course Sunday-we have about 300 members in our parish. yes we are small. There are two other Catholic churches in town, one is the Pius Xth group and one is CMRI. You probably know there is an on going battle between us all BUT also be aware that Satan’s time is closing-read about GOD giving him 100 years to get as many souls as he could, so he’s attempting all the damage he can thus the infighting. Let me make one thing clear however please-Novus Ordo was founded by 6 protestants and the ‘pope’ at the time, don’t fight with me just do your research-you might just be surprised. One more thing the road to Heaven is narrow and full of obstacles. Thanks for allowing me to post-GOD bless and Happy Holy week!

  • AugustineThomas

    It’s unchristian to not even mention how much heresy goes with the NO Mass.. You’re using the same line of argument that people do against pro-lifers and supporters of traditional marriage.. That it’s worse to hurt someone’s feelings than to lie to them about their shortcomings.
    The most love I’ve been shown has been when people have had the courage to tell me I’m doing evil, even though it hurt my feelings.

    • Matthew

      Wow…I’m going to assume you mean that there is much abuse of the NO that make it an illicit (and yes, sometimes invalid) mass and not that the NO is heretical in and of itself. The NO can be a beautiful mass when celebrated properly and with due reverence. Now, I am fairly lucky in that I’m in the Diocese of Lincoln, NE where we use Acolytes instead of Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharistic (no blue jeans and flip flops here), where we only have male Altar Servers, and the priests strive to offer a good and reverent mass. I understand that isn’t the case everywhere.

      When done properly, the NO is NOT heretical in any way, shape, or form. Yes, it’s good to point out liturgical abuses and try to get them fixed. However, to denigrate all of the NO masses because you see “heresy that goes with it” is to say that Holy Mother Church does not have the authority to determine valid forms of the mass. That’s something we should be EXTREMELY careful of.

      • MaskedRacer

        The problem with this statement : “The NO can be a beautiful mass when celebrated properly and with due reverence.” is that it has to be said at all. The N.O. is very vulnerable and susceptible to abuse. The local parish in my town for example. The mass there is so uninspiring and dull. The people who go to it are dressed up casually and seem to be just going through the motions. Its tough to go there and I only do when my wife is sick or something like that. I drive 35 minutes to another parish to go to a divinely inspired Latin Mass.

        • Lector at Mass

          @maskedracer:disqus: You might be winning me over. Some of these NO Masses have the most repetitional, god awful music from week to week you wonder “whom” is being honored, –the parish Music Director, –or the Lord? As for Mass attire, you’re in CA so the clothing is more casual. However, when I was in Indiana, at least half of the 500 people in the congregation were wearing a #19 Peyton Manning jersery.

  • jfej004

    God bless the “mass of the ages”, the 1500+ year old Traditional Latin Mass! Now that Pope Benedict in 2007 unequivocally made it licit within the Catholic Church with the issuance of “Summorum Pontificum”, the numbers of parishes saying the TLM are soon to skyrocket due to the priest who entered around that time. I can’t wait for the traditional revival!

  • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.sinclair.16 Dennis Sinclair

    Our archbishop, Alexander Sample of Portland, Oregon recently celebrated a TLM high Mass. He stated he had to learn how to say the TLM since he had never seen one. He is a great influence on the liturgy in the Archdiocese of Portland and a great shepherd for the people, as well as being a kind man setting a good example.

    • Guido

      Yes, he did celebrate a TLM. But even the archbishop was compelled to do this holy Mass in a secretive manner, being as it were, he is a lamb against prowling wolves.

      • Famijoly

        Guido, I’m not doubting that if Archbishop Sample is striving to lead his flock to holiness and reverence he is indeed a lamb against prowling wolves; Jesus promised as much. But could it be that the “secretive” aspect of his celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass had more to do with his own admission that he was inexperienced in the rite of celebrating it?

      • jaybird1951

        What do you mean by “secretive” or was it said in private instead? You made it sound like he was embarrassed or ashamed of it.

  • Poole comentary

    The TLM was too quiet without any response from the congregation but I surely like that much better over constant music and singing. You must follow a prayer book to stay with where the priest is, which was good. Now the responses are memorized and I am wondering if there is “heart” in any of them. It’s like saying the complete rosary and not meditating at all.
    We can’t even have it quiet after taking communion now so we can meditate properly. Remember also, our music is by non professionals and some are very lacking, making if very difficult for someone who is music talented and oriented (some even professionals) to listen to music and singing being mutilated and we must “bear” it. And it is distracting!
    A much quieter mass would be appreciated!

    • jaybird1951

      You would probably hate the ancient Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, which is chanted and sung throughout by priest, deacon and congregation. I have attended Eastern Rite liturgies and the only prayer that was said rather than sung was just before Communion. The TLM would be more attractive to me if it were also sung throughout, both chanted by the priest and with the various Mass parts sung by the choir and congregation. I grew up with the TLM and can remember full singing participation by the attendees. I too do not like the silence and quiet you referred to.

  • Rob Federle

    As a Permanent Deacon who was raised in the Pre-Vatican II era, I often wish that we could return to a more respectful posture at the Liturgy. I have had my fill of Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist who approach the Altar wearing flip-flops and blue jeans, not to mention the occasional person wearing a too-baring outfit or short skirt. We as a Church have certainly lost a sense of respect and reverence amongst our attendees. Would that we could recover that sense of awe and reverence!

  • Bob

    The Broadway musical type tunes, the hand holding, and shaking, the (extraordinary) “Eucharistic Ministers”, the warehouse-esque buildings they call churches, the old and young wearing shorts and sandals, the homilies that are fashioned to be therapeutic but are just empty words……. The Novis Ordo masses are something one has to endure like some sort of penance, like some sort of Masonic hair shirt.

    • Marguerite Crain

      Mass is the Unbloody sacrifice of Christ on calvary…it is not a happy meal, a circus, a dance fest, or any of the aberrations that have evolved…

  • Marguerite Crain

    The Latin Tridentine Mass is not the 1962 Motu mess…extraordinary according to Vat.2…it is the Mass of the Ages….Pius V..set it in stone!

  • david

    Does it ever occur to those who can’t see why the Mass In the E.F. is so desired, that there is so much reverence and sacredness in it that we don’t have offered in the Ordinary Form of the Mass. I will say this, Last Sunday attend Mass at Holy Rosary in Portland, Or…It was HOLY MASS in the Ordinary Form…and it was very very sacred and reverent….Pope Benedict started the Reform the Reform it is up to all of us to continue forward. Personally I prefer the Traditional Latin Mass but sad to say the nearest to us is 3 hrs away.
    Pray for All Priest, and God Bless those who want to celebrate the Mass of ages.

    • Famijoly

      I had been serving Mass for only a short time before the Novus Ordo was implemented. So I have not been to a Tridentine Mass in nearly 50 years. As a priest of almost 18 years, I’ve only celebrated the Ordinary Form. But I am drawn to the Extraordinary Form, have watched numerous Youtube videos of it, and plan to attend one soon. What especially draws me is, as you mentioned, the reverence.

    • jaybird1951

      I personally am more drawn to the Anglican Use form of the Mass due to the reverence and quality of its texts and the music. According to a liturgist/choir director friend of mine educated in several rites, the NO is also much closer in form to the Roman Rite of the first centuries than the EF had become before and after Trent. Many or most people do not know that the Roman Rite Mass was celebrated in a number of forms before Trent. I like elements of both forms and wish that the EF had been translated into the vernacular after the Council and widely used that way with modifications. The language of the Missal translation was very good, if memory serves. I have attended the EF a couple of times, once in a Dominican Rite Mass in Seattle and another time here in southern Oregon and came away feeling a bit “cold” about the experience. I did not find them spiritually fulfilling, with the ‘quiet’ congregation and the priest almost totally inaudible. The NO does have some plus points, including more scriptural readings. It could be enriched if the old prayers at the foot of the altar once said by priest and servers were added in, this time with the priest and the congregation saying or chanting them.

      • liturgical chants

        The Novus Ordo 3 year lectionary where the readings and propers change over and over and over nonstop is not new at all. To say that the Novus ordo is closer to the original latin liturgy from the first illenium is a vast exagerration. In the most essential features the 1962 form is closer to that of the first millenium. The stereotype that because the tridentine mass has a 13th c. offertory prayer added into it, on top of first millenium prayers, does not make the 1970 form of mass, more historic, which deviates far more from the first millenium mass than does the 1962 form.

  • Julie

    I have heard some higher up laymen state that there is only one theologian out there to retain Latin, and state that publicly to parishes. However, there are indeed priests and young people being drawn to the Latin Mass.
    I think we should have both in every parish and get back to the missalettes with the vernacular on one side and Latin on the other.
    Another is the number of North American parishes that are having Orthodox icons.
    The more diversity we express, the more truly Catholic we are and the richer our unity.
    This movement for Latin goes to show it is the Lord in His Holy Spirit that sustains and leads the Church, not powerful cliques.

  • Gennette

    Over at The Liturgy Guy which seems to be where Miss Weddell’s post first appears, I don’t see that paragraph about denigrating one of the Mass forms as fruitless or corrupt.
    However, in my limited experience, I hear and read the EF denigrated far more frequently than the OF, which I attend.


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