DOMA Struck Down – Thank you

Some phrases that took my breath away in the UNITED STATES v. WINDSOR, EXECUTOR OF THE
ESTATE OF SPYER, ET AL. case

“DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment. “DOMA singles out a class of persons deemed by a State entitled to recognition and protection to enhance their own liberty.”

“There is a “careful consideration” standard: In determining whether a law is motivated by improper animus or purpose, discriminations of an unusual character especially require careful consideration. DOMA cannot survive under these principles.

The federal statute is invalid, for no legitimate purpose overcomes the purpose and effect to disparage and injure those whom the State, by its marriage laws, sought to protect in personhood and dignity. By seeking to displace this protection and treating those persons as living in marriages less respected than others.”

To be clear: Windsor does not establish a constitutional right to same sex marriage but good Lord almighty, this is a great day where we are witness to a new and visible bend in the arc of the universe toward justice.

 

Thank you Edith and Thea

Thank you to everyone who marched.

Thank you to everyone who prayed.

Thank you to everyone who blogged.

Thank you to everyone who changed your profile picture.

Thank you to everyone who held hands when it was not safe.

Thank you to everyone who placed a same-sex family picture on your desk at work.

Thank you to the legislators who stand for true equality in cities, states and our nation’s capital.

Thank you to everyone who spoke up when a friend, neighbor or family member was confused, afraid or disparaging.

Thank you to everyone who preached of God’s radical hospitality.

Thank you to all who have come before and given your lives to this journey of equality.

Thank you to all who will come after and continue the struggle for “liberty and justice for all” to really mean ALL.

Thank you God.

About Kimberly Knight

Kimberly has a long history of back-pew sitting, Wednesday night supper eatin' and generally trying God’s patience since 1969. She's lucky enough to have made her technology addiction a career and serves as both the Director of Digital Strategy as a southern liberal arts college and Minister of Digital community with Extravagance UCC.

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  • kcthomas

    God is rejected and in his place Pleasure of SEX is installed in America by the Supreme court. I feel it is an illiterate institution afraid of truth

    • melissia

      God is not being rejected. He is being celebrated.
      He does not wish us to suffer, or to grieve.
      He does not wish us to hate, or to be hated.
      He does not wish us to witness cruelty, or to administer it.
      He wishes that we love one another… and be loved.

      The homosexual peoples who strive to be married are not rejecting the sanctity of marriage… they are rejoicing in it. Their struggles are not against god… but to be with Him. While it is true that not all those who strive for marriage are Christians, but there are so many who are… or who would be, if only we would love them as Christ has asked of us.

      Please, let them in, so that we might celebrate God together.

      • kcthomas

        According to you celebration is doing all pleasurable things specially sexual.The Koran promises the paradise of pleasures with thousands of hoories. Life is a pilgrimage and is with pain,pleasure and sufferings. Those who believe in Christ and understand the sufferings of Christ think in a different way. You have full liberty to pursue your principles. America is the best place for that.Those who think materialistically cannot be convinced of the spiritual side of our life and existenve. So let us agree to disagree

        • melissia

          “According to you celebration is doing all pleasurable things specially sexual.”

          You are projecting upon me, and I wish that you would stop. I do not celebrate gay marriage via having rampant casual sex. Indeed, those gay couples, and lesbian couples, and bi couples, and the transpeoples, all of whom wish to get married, explicitly DON’T want to have random casual sex with strangers. They wish to dedicate themselves to each other… to be faithful partners, in sickness, and in health. In the good times, and in the bad. In joy, as well as in sorrow. To love, and to cherish, unconditionally; to support one another’s goals, and to honor and respect one another. To laugh, and cry together, as long as they both shall live.

          And many of them take such vows very, VERY seriously. Perhaps we should take heart in the message their campaign for equality provides, that marriage is still worth something, in spite of straight peoples’ seeming best efforts to devalue it to the point that more than half of all marriages end in messy, painful divorce.

          The love shared between two men and two women who wish to dedicate their lives together in the holy bonds of marriage is not inherently and wholly sexual love, though it may surely involve some of that, just like it is no doubt that a couple of one man and one woman will involve sexual love, And there is nothing wrong with that. The institution of marriage is no longer considered amongst the faithful to be a mere property transaction, after all. It is a divine expression of love and permanence, and sexual love is a physical expression of that, to be shared amongst only the most intimate and dedicated of partners.

          In that regard… I find it odd that gay marriage is opposed so vehemently. The immense dedication and love that is shared between these couples, strengthened through the hardship they both share, can only empower the sanctity of marriage, not destroy it.

          • kcthomas

            Melissa will please understsnd that your America is not The World.If you say thete is love between two males or two females, is ok. If the culmination of this so called love is sex, it is simply shameful. You have your way Lrt us ree to disagree.

            • melissia

              “Melissa will please understsnd that your America is not The World.”

              Please understand that I do not care. Love is not bound by nationalities.

              “If the culmination of this so called love is sex,”

              No one here but you has said that.

              • kcthomas

                Yes,some like you do not care. Carry on without caring. A day will come when your affluence and your health may not help you. At least then some wisdom may dwell. The western civilization is cracking and going to dogs. The pity is it will be replaced by friends of Saudi culture. Fazlulla may reign

                • melissia

                  “A day will come when your affluence and your health may not help you”

                  I have very little of the former. I work to maintain the latter, though I am not perfect.

                  But love knows no restrictions from money, either, so you don’t really have a point. There are many, many poor straight couples and poor gay couples whom love each other dearly. If you view those whom are truly poor and who make due without… as a loveless people, I pray for your soul, just as I pray that their lives will improve.

                  Indeed, if you had read KimberleyKnight’s blog, you would have realized that love knows no bounds in health, either. She loved her ailing father as his health failed; he loved her. Would you have him become hateful and spiteful as his health failed? Would you have her reject him, no longer loving him for he was sick?

                  For all your attempts to claim that I lack perspective, I fear that you are in dire need of it yourself, because you seem to be using the poor and the sick as a weapon without actually caring about their plight.

                • kcthomas

                  Devil knows how to use the divine word”love” to tempt and cheat. Any amount of good counsel will not do any good to people who are stubborn.Like your Kimberly you too can establish your religion of love,worship and gay world. Again I say you are free to hold your opinion and proceed. I pray your head will not strike against a rock on the way to perish. May the Lord be with you .He only can lead you from darkness to light. Let us not further travel talking. May God bless you.

                • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kimberlyknight/ Kimberly

                  Oops, now you’ve gone and got yourself banned.

                • melissia

                  It’s sad… but I suppose nothing good can come of trying to have a theological debate with someone who talks about hitting my head with a rock.

  • Quid

    Let’s hope we’re spared the same fate at Sodom and Gomorrah. Didn’t seem like God was too happy with them, but let’s just ignore that and party on!

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kimberlyknight/ Kimberly

      Quid,

      Thank you for providing me the opportunity to state once again that the narrative about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was NOT about homosexuality.

      It is a story about wantonness and dominance over others, about radical inhospitality (a grievous sin according the the bible we share), about malignant power and about rejecting God’s shalom.

      In fact, the Bible itself expressly describes the sin of Sodom elsewhere as radical inhospitality. According to the prophet Ezekiel, the real “guilt” of the Sodomites was the fact that, although they had “pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease,” they “did not aid the poor and needy” and were “haughty” (Ezekiel 16:49-50). Similarly, the Letter to the Hebrews warns Christians by alluding to the true sin of the Sodomites as inhospitality: “Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it” (Hebrews 13:2).

      So say it with me real slow…the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah had noooooothing to do with homosexuality (or gay marriage).

      Thanks for being on the show.

      • Frank

        I always understood that story the sin of Sodom to be one of homosexuality and inhospitality. Lot freely offers his virgin daughters to the men, but they want to molest the angels instead.

        Even if you ignore Genesis, the Bible is full of evidence against gay marriage. First Jesus defends traditional marriage in Matthew 19:6 “let no man tear asunder what God has joined together.” He also indicates that God created man “male and female” (Gen 1:27) and this is his plan, his purpose for humanity. His first commandment given to us is to “be fertile and multiply” (Gen 1:28).

        Moving on to the New Testament, Paul is very clear about sodomites. “Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites…will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor 6:9-10).

        The most clear is Romans 1:18-27. Paul is talking about a group of people who were condemned for those who “suppress the truth by their wickedness.” He says “their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity” (Rom 1:26-27).

        I could go on–also in Paul is the repeated warning to avoid the sins of the flesh and to reject our carnal desires, but I think these passages stand clear on their own. I don’t understand how anyone can believe the Bible is the inspired word of God and still advocate gay marriage.

        • Frank

          Oops, repeat post, please ignore.

      • Frank

        Also I just found this. “Likewise, Sodom, Gomorrah, and the surrounding towns, which, inthe same manner as they, indulged in sexual promiscuity and practiced unnatural vice, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire” (Jude 1:7) Ezekiel warns against the inhospitality and Jude warns against the sodomy. Sodom and Gomorrah were condemned for both.

      • Frank

        I always understood that story the sin of Sodom to be one of homosexuality and inhospitality. Lot freely offers his virgin daughters to the men, but they want to molest the angels instead.

        Even if you ignore Genesis, the Bible is full of evidence against gay marriage. First Jesus defends traditional marriage in Matthew 19:6 “let no man tear asunder what God has joined together.” He also indicates that God created man “male and female” (Gen 1:27) and this is his plan, his purpose for humanity. His first commandment given to us is to “be fertile and multiply” (Gen 1:28).

        Moving on to the New Testament, Paul is very clear about sodomites. “Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites…will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor 6:9-10).

        The most clear is Romans 1:18-27. Paul is talking about a group of people who were condemned for those who “suppress the truth by their wickedness.” He says “their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity” (Rom 1:26-27).

        I could go on–also in Paul is the repeated warning to avoid the sins of the flesh and to reject our carnal desires, but I think these passages stand clear on their own. I don’t understand how anyone can believe the Bible is the inspired word of God and still advocate gay marriage.

        • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kimberlyknight/ Kimberly

          Frank,

          If the story holds up as a model a father offering his virgin daughters to be gang raped then I want nothing to do with an evil god who deems this man as righteous.

          • Frank

            Do you have any response to Paul’s condemnation of sodomy?

            • Frank

              I didn’t thing so

              • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kimberlyknight/ Kimberly

                Oh honey, unlike some folks who have all the time in the world to anonymously stalk blogs some of us actually have live, families and jobs that require and deserve our undivided attention.

                That said, look around my other posts (make an effort) and you will find the answers you seek. I simply can not engage in rudimentary bible debates on every blog or we will never move forward.

  • Debs

    Congratulations! I hope gay marriage will be legal everywhere one day.

    • Quid

      If we’re lucky maybe we’ll even live to see the days of pedophilia and bestiality!

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kimberlyknight/ Kimberly

        Quid the troll, you have just bought yourself a ticket to ban-land :)

  • Katherine Harms

    God did not orchestrate this decision. It came from a totally other place.

    • melissia

      So in your mind, God is cruel and unjust, but the devil is kind and just?

      This is not the God that I know, of whom is said “Those who do not know love, do not know God, for God is love.” This is not the Christ that I know, whom tells us “Love thy neighbor as thy brother.”

      Please, do not preach hate. It is anathema to one’s soul.

  • Baby_Raptor

    This is a huge win for us. Amazing day. Celebration time!


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