Mahony to Gomez

“No! This cannot be! I am invincible! If I must go, I will take as many of you with me as I can destroy!!!!”

The voice of the Good Shepherd. Yeah.

Look, if it turns out that Abp. Gomez is somehow complicit, then by all means let him face the music. On the other hand, given that Mahony is a proven multiple liar and manipulator, and a truly disgusting example of a horrible shepherd with no concern for the sheep, I don’t simply take him at his word when he vengefully and narcissistically attempts to destroy those who are disciplining him. So I’ll wait and see where this goes. Meanwhile, I’m with Joanne McPortland, Mahony has zero interest in the flock and is only acting out of interest in saving his own sorry butt. He should stop. If there is something the cops and investigators need to know there are lots of opportunities to fill them in. This is just Mahony doing what he does all too often: manipulating for his own sake and not out of any concern at all for victims or for Christ’s gospel and Church.

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  • Tim Jones

    “I vas josst obeying ORDAHSS!!”

  • Tim Jones

    “In the 1980s, I didn’t KNOW that NOT protecting children from molesters was bad.”

    • I think that qualifies as the dumbest sentence ever penned in the human language.

  • Tim Jones

    Neither of my above comments are Mahony quotes (FYI).

  • When we need the Church’s moral authority desperately we find it has been sabotaged by clericalism in complicity with evil.

    • Tim Jones

      It’s truly heartbreaking.

  • Thinkling

    Pride goeth before a fall. And in the Cardinal’s case, it keeps goeth and goeth.

    • It’s not the fall that is the Cardinal’s problem. It is the landing. His is yet to come.

  • David Norris

    Very strange how many rotten people work for what is, according to Catholics, literally God’s Organization on Earth.

    Very strange indeed. It’s almost like it’s as any other human institution, and not very special at all!

    • Tim Jones

      Do you labor under the assumption that we are not aware of the evil in the Church? As Belloc put it, the Church is “…an institute run with such knavish imbecility that if it were not the work of God it would not last a fortnight”. Where is the secular Mother Theresa? Where is the atheist Father Damien?

    • Mark Shea

      Sin? In the Church? Thank you for the news flash.

    • Doug Sirman

      Yes, of course. The Church is Holy and Spotless, except when she’s not. She is the bride of Christ, and also His body. She is also a double-dealing whore who will send her own children to pass through the fires of Molech to protect the clericalist idolatry from which she benefits, and which she so very deeply loves, and so very much yearns to be free of. She is us, writ large. Special? Only if you consider that she is formed from the filth of the earth by the will and hands of God, and charged with the duty of being a conduit through which salvation is made available to such fallen gods as us and which will save Her as well. She earns every bruise and scar, and yet somehow is created to bleed God’s grace in spite of them, or perhaps even because of them. Special? I don’t know what else I would call it.

    • dpt

      “It’s almost like it’s as any other human institution, and not very special at all!”

      Yet different, as forgiveness and hope are at the core of its teachings–no matter the failings, faults, or crimes of its individuals.

      Be not afraid!

    • The other Will

      ” It’s almost like it’s as any other human institution”
      Gasp! Why NOBODY ever thought of that! Why, next you’ll tell us “how many rotten people” are in the GOVERNMENT, from whom all blessings flow, and which should be able to tell those awful Catholics what to do.

    • Ghosty

      We expect about one out of twelve bishops to murder God, so we’re not laboring under any illusions about the sinners in the Church, and never have been.

      Peace and God bless!

      • wPwPwP

        Yes, and of the remaining eleven original bishops, only one appeared at that murder by crucifixion. Some friend’s those original bishops. And the early Church did not whitewash its depiction of them.

  • bob cratchit

    Well put Tim Jones. I like to think of Israel, with the likes of Absalom, Saul, and Kings David & Solomon’s proclivities did not make Israel any less Gods chosen people. They never ceased producing Holy prophets. We occasionally get a bad shepherd. In this case unfortunatly, not many of us are surprised. Our Lord the Good Shepherd did warn us they would come.

  • Cindy Coleman

    Mahony is despicable. Whatever his “background”, he knew the behavior of those predator priests was both wrong and criminal. He actively conspired to keep their acts from civil authorities. Now instead of remorse this is what we get.

  • Ed

    I’m a layperson and no one ever trained me to know that abusing children is a dreadful crime. No one ever had to – perhaps it was a gift of the Holy Spirit. How strange that Mahony never had that insight.

    • Oregon Catholic

      Even more strange is that after almost 15 years of constant scandal he actually thinks anyone would believe him.

    • I have to disagree that nobody trained you. Your parents, your elementary school teachers, the people in the neighborhood all trained you by the example of how they lived their lives. Fish don’t know water is wet. You don’t seem to know how well you’ve been trained.

      • Jon W

        Yeah. And by that same token, Mahoney was trained as well. It’s worth doing some thinking about why the culture (both church and world) in which he was raised caused him to think his actions were plausibly justified.

  • Bryan

    How about the part where he explains that the Church paid a private company (with some former FBI agents in it!) to “audit” the Church’s compliance with policies that the Church had made up in order to smother the whole issue under a snake’s den of cold, evil, bureaucratic silence.

    And surprise! The Church-employed private auditors found the Church to be in total compliance with the Church’s own policies, then promptly took their check and left.

    “Mission Accomplished.”

  • Kenneth

    At times like this, nothing separates the gold from the dross like a good old-fashioned RICO prosecution. It has a wonderful way of getting down to brass tacks of who knew what when. The prospect of a half century of prison time has a wonderful way of sharpening the memory and cutting through the fog of “mistakes were made” diffusion of responsibility. If it’s all Mahony’s bs, he can pay the freight and Gomez can move on with a clear name. If not, put them both in the same pen and let them settle their dispute in some blind spot of the exercise yard or laundry shop…..

  • An alternate title might be Cardinal Mahoney slanders his parents, friends, and family. Just read the first sentence in the second paragraph of his letter, “Nothing in my own background or education equipped me to deal with this grave problem.” Somewhere along the way, this man should have received instruction in the informal education that comes to us all at home and in society. That he claims he didn’t either shows an incredible willingness to slander those who should have given him the correct tools to deal with this by the personal example of their lived lives or it shows a pathological society in California 1940-1955 that has been heretofore unremarked in the professional literature.

    • Jon W

      This point of yours is in profound contradiction to your comment above. After all, if he can be trained into a knowledge of the natural law, he can also be trained into blindness, too.

      • Tim Jones

        Part of the point of natural law is that we largely don’t have to be trained in it. Hiding child molestation is bad *and people know that* without being told.

        • Jon W

          This is wrong. You do have to be trained into intuiting the natural law, just like you have to be trained into using language, another natural human trait. The “natural” part of the natural law is that it is possible for the virtuous human being to intuit right and wrong in a new situation without being told. But part of becoming a virtuous human being comes from being brought up in a good, virtuous society. If you are trained in a wicked or twisted society then your ability to intuit right and wrong will be twisted as well, and you will not be able to so completely trust your judgments. That’s one of the reasons, St. Thomas tells us, why God gave us the 10 Commandments. So even if we were raised in a bad society we would still know what to do.

          I suspect that Mahoney, in addition to being craven and self-serving, was trained in a bad society (the overly-clerical church of his youth) in which it wasn’t clear to him – not that child molestation was bad, that’s obvious – but that as a bishop he should give a perp priest up to civilian authorities. I can easily see his moral intuition on that score being substantially clouded by the society in which he lived. That’s why people are so angry at the church: because for decades it fostered an atmosphere that clouded people’s moral intuition about what to do with priestly perverts. It wasn’t just that eeeevil people happened to be bishops. It’s that even the decent bishops were led into poor judgments, and only the heroically courageous or exceptionally wise were able to make the really good decisions that the situation required.

          • Tim Jones

            I know, that’s why I qualified my statement with “part of” and “largely”. I know that, because of our fallen nature, we DO need training in natural law… but we also apprehend a great deal of it without training. It is the “law written on men’s hearts”. Judging by the moral codes of most human societies through most of history, this natural law must be pretty universal. Training may enhance it, or choke it out. But my entire point was that almost no one can validly say “Well, I was never TAUGHT murder was wrong”. It’s in our bones, and it would take a powerfully wicked environment to UNDO this intuition.

            • Jon W

              Agreed. Therefore, it bears some thinking on why and in what ways Mahoney’s environment (again, both in the church and the world) was as wicked as it was. Remember, there were lots of otherwise decent bishops who made similar mistakes (along with plenty of principals, superintendents, and university presidents).

              • Tim Jones

                But then, we don’t believe only in “nature or nurture”, but in human free will. Mahony also had exposure and access to all the teaching of the Church regarding morality and holiness. We are responsible for forming our consciences, and a bishop – cardinal – of Christ’s Church COULD have chosen a different path, could have chosen the good influences over the bad. I can’t read his soul, but I don’t accept his claim “I was never taught…” to be a valid excuse.

                • Jon W

                  It’s not a valid excuse, and I’m not saying it clears him of all culpability. But it nonetheless remains true that he was, as he argues, not prepared for the scandal. We know this because other bishops of better will and less vanity also made similar decisions.

                  The biggest problem with Mahoney’s behavior now is that rather than recognize that he wasn’t heroically virtuous in a situation that called for it and using that fact as an opportunity to mourn and repent the faults of his that led to such horror, he’s still trying to parse justice and clear himself of blame.

                  Frankly, the fact that a prince of the church is still doing this at 78 and thinking himself justified in his own eyes suggests that his “Christian” upbringing was even more significantly faulty than his administrative training.

                  In a sense, Mahoney’s been given a gift: he gets to see the awful consequences of our own sin, even that for which we’re not fully 100% responsible, and he has the opportunity to mourn that sin, repent, and bear in some small way (by social opprobrium at least – by penance, hopefully) the awful, disastrous, horrifying burden of that sin. Instead, he’s too busy justifying himself in his own eyes to actually be Christ in the situation. It’s kind of pathetic.

    • wreckovated

      Indeed. I feel sorry for both Mahoney’s mother and Obama’s grandmother, treated so similarly by their boys.

  • kath

    Gomez is a good egg who inherited a truly evil and complex mess, in addition to having to run the biggest (?) archdiocese in the country. That he’s come down hard on Mahoney and Currie in such a short time speaks to his integrity.

    • carlamariee

      Well, we don’t actually know that, but I hope it’s so. As far as “coming down hard”, it seems like a light tap on the wrist given what’s at stake. “In such a short time”, until just a few days ago, Gomez was part of the effort to keep records from becoming public. Instructive that even this mild rebuke is elliciting howls of outrage from his Eminence. Again, what a mess.

    • Oregon Catholic

      I think you are making a rash judgement kath, that can’t be proven yet. He might be a good guy, or at least less bad than Mahony, but his delay and his obvious authorization of continued legal efforts to suppress the records right up to the last minute doesn’t look very good for him. I suspect he was just doing Rome’s bidding and that speaks poorly of him as well – as in putting his career ahead of doing the right thing.

      That could be part of what Mahony is so upset about. He was probably doing Rome’s bidding as well and now get’s thrown under the bus for it while Gomez, doing the same bidding, gets protected. I’m sure Mahony is smart enough to focus his anger on Gomez and not on Rome. Frankly, I hope he gets mad enough and crazy enough to spill what he knows about Rome’s involvement but I suspect he is going to be silenced before that can happen. A trip to Rome will probably be in order soon and it will end up being a one-way trip.

      • Pancho

        Do you have anything to back up your insinuations?

  • Mahoney is what happens when bishops use therapists and lawyers to form their consciences instead of Christ.

    How can any. . .ANY!. . .grown man (of whatever religious faith or none) tolerate, condone, or support the sexual molestation of children is simply beyond the pale.

    This letter is an embarrassment.
    Fr. Philip Neri, OP

    • Margaret

      BINGO!!! The impression I’ve gotten, sadly, from all of these abuser-shuffling bishops is that they think like bean-counters/lawyers/PR men instead of good fathers and shepherds. Or, to put it another way, they don’t seem to realize their symbolic crozier is both for helping to keep the sheep from straying, and for beating the snot out of any wolves that come to attack the flock, including wolves in sheep’s clothing…

  • kath

    I’m the one making a rash judgment? Would you just read what you wrote? Sigh.

  • Observer

    Okay. Admittedly I do not know the entire case of the Bishop. My knowledge is therefore hindsight and heresay as most people only know from what they hear, as I imagine others have.

    First, did Mahoney, as other Bishops under similar cicrcumstances, move a priest who was suspected of abusing minors to another location? Was moving a potentially dangerous person – as a case in the meantime needed to be carried out by the justice department in investigating the claim -at least following in the pursuit of justice and cooperation with presuming innocence until proven guilty? And thus, wouldn’t this allow for the proper arm of justice to evaluate and view evidence for there to be a case in a court of law?

    Secondly, having another point of fact. Were the police at that time properly equipped and informed of the said accusations against men as these? Did they, the law, have the resources available, department with all the necessities involved for handling these types of cases, and required evidenced being properly treated and evaluated ? Outside of the policies and procedures of the Church, what was the responsibility of those acting in the department of justice and law doing amid these accusations? Was the incident reported to the law? Unless you have a proper and full evaluation of the time, place, evidence, and persons at the full disposal of the law and given ability of justice to properly carry out in investigation, you cannot say without a doubt Bishop Mahoney did something malicious with the intent of obstructing justice.

    If a Suspected man is being moved from the said location where he may be a predator, then you cannot say, given both circumstance and situation, the move was an attempt to obstruct justice. You can only tell that from the motive and not mere action. An action of moving someone can, as well, be concluded as an attempt of an act of justice to both the accused and for the said victim.

    The above stated, however, is neither an attempt to say the person acting in the capacity as Bishop and succesor to the Apostles was without malicious intent and motive (as Judas Iscariot had done), nor to say his actions were necessarily a part of doing something both intentionaly dangerous and wrong. An investigation which weighs out in the manner of justice, and not for the indifference people have for the man or any deep seated hatred because people cannot stand what he did, must be completely done impartially.

    Since every man is made in the image and likeness of God, each man is due his salvation in God’s mercy and justice. And as such, not just a man who is a successor to the Apostles, but for every soul on earth. Threfore, you must pray. If the man had intently did something wrong, then pray for him anyways. Pray he might have the grace of God to grant him the guilt necessary to ask for pardon, peace, penance, and courageous strength to endure all things in God’s merciful love to do what is right in God’s eyes. If he is innocent and made a mistake, even so, pray for him so that he may not lose heart in knowing God’s merciful love and salvation. If he did what he could with the intent to protect both the accused and said victim, pray for him that he may hold steadfast and rely on God’s merciful love to not lose his faith. Regardless of guilt or innocence, no man should lose his faith for the sake of law because people are so upset with something they could neither do nor fix. It happened. And you move on, pray, and ask God to fix the problems of sin as he had done through his son on the cross. If men were able to truly folow the course of justice and the law, Christ would not have been punished. And since the same laws then as now folow much the same pursuit, there’s nothing to say a man should lose his faith over the law.

    And as I understand it, here in our country, the law is turning out and letting lose the proposition to take both God and the Ten Commandments out of the classroom, removing life of the unborn, influence criminality in education, and making full cooperation with the divorce culture of many homes and families being broken, which has thus been the cause of many of the abuses which Mahony is said to have covered up. And since the law does not have complete faith in regarding God and the Ten Commandments (being both ignorant and letting persons manipulate the law to do so), I cannot for the life of me say the law is in complete disposal of justice and without obstruction in itself.

    Justice is not neutral, but impartial to abiding by and defending all persons (both the guilty and innocent.) And, since the law which is also shaped in the so-called course and actions of justice to allow and permit terming the life of an unborn child as well as the divorcing parents with children, leading to causing the onset of injustice and disorder in the home (being the arbitrary freedom which law has been given), I do not think you can satisfactorly say Mahony is a man who, by and according to the laws of the land which have allowed and permitted great acts of injustice and evil (and still do), can be said to obstruct justice and is therefore guilty (unless you admit this in the defect in law, thereby amending the laws in correcting them.)

    Food for thought, did St. Thomas More (in the Man for All Seasons), obstruct justice under investigation he might had been bribed when he through the silver chalice (the bribe) in the Thames river, and later retrieved it to give to Richard (in the movie)? No. He had got rid of it to have no part in that bribe.

    In the end, if he (Mahony) is guilty, I hope and pray there is no one joining another bandwagon to have a witch-hunt and moment to accuse another person in the Church for getting more money (for the purpose of ruining the Church.) Meaning, where the band-wagon is often taken in which everyone gets on to take the opportunity to simply get at the Church for whatever motives they have for good or for ill – which is not justice but a poor and ill treatment of the Church from the onset of a disorder in those persons hearts. And if that is how the case will be handled and aligned to, then I hope it falls flat on its’ face with no success at all.

    Again, unless proportionate justice to both its’ affect and better aim of the law to bring about the punishment due to the person to take it upon himself or herself to carry out in correction as the law gives for their crimes in the true effication of what is means to carry the laws of the land in a just manner, unless that is done, there is no justice. And it would be better for a man to escape that law if it means escaping from the cover up of another form of criminality and malicous intent under the guise of justice and the law – which may take both the man’s faith away and do him harm to the extent which the punishment is as bad as the man’s crime or worse. Such a law and an enforcement of so-called justice is complete anarchy and a complete disregard to both the individual and the man (who, again is made in the image and likeness his Creator) who must take under the penitential act and treatment of the law as it is often said to be penitentiary. And that should not be obstructed.

    If, again, that is obstructed under the merit of law, then the law is obstructing justice, and so are those who seek to bring about the full affect of something which is malicious on the part of those who shape, judge by, and enforce those laws. I pray, if Mahony is under danger because of the wrongful enforcement of justice which may come, then may those efforts fail completely.

    May God save us from evil from the injustice which comes under the guise of the both law and justice. And may he ensure the Church the springtime of Salvation.

    • Jon W

      Thank you for your careful interruption of some of the wilder emoting that has been going on, here. I didn’t follow all of it in the middle, but certainly people need to be reminded that life is complicated.