Governor Mary Fallin Condemns Black Mass

Governor Mary Fallin

Oklahoma’s Governor Mary Fallin condemned black mass that is scheduled for Oklahoma City next month.

From the Governor’s website:

Gov. Fallin Condemns Black Mass Scheduled for Oklahoma

OKLAHOMA CITY – Governor Mary Fallin today condemned a scheduled performance of a satanic black mass next month in Oklahoma City.

“This ‘Black Mass’ is a disgusting mockery of the Catholic faith, and it should be equally repellent to Catholics and non-Catholics alike,” said Fallin. “It may be protected by the First Amendment, but that doesn’t mean we can’t condemn it in the strongest terms possible for the moral outrage which it is. It is shocking and disgusting that a group of New York City ‘satanists’ would travel all the way to Oklahoma to peddle their filth here. I pray they realize how hurtful their actions are and cancel this event.”

Fallin joins Oklahoma City Archbishop Paul Coakley in criticizing the event, scheduled for Sept. 21 at the Oklahoma City Civic Center. The archbishop said the black mass “is a satanic inversion and distortion of the most sacred beliefs not only of Catholics, but of all Christians.”

Oklahoma City officials have said the Civic Center is a public building and the city must abide by the First Amendment and allow it to be leased to any group that agrees to abide by all laws and city ordinances.

The black mass in Oklahoma City reportedly is being organized by the Satanic Temple of New York City, which last year submitted plans for a public monument of a seated Satan on the state Capitol grounds to counter a monument of the Ten Commandments.

  • pagansister

    Good for her!

    • kenofken

      I don’t see where it’s all that good. We were denied the ability to bury pagan veterans with proper honors for a decade largely as a result of a governor (and then president) who took it upon himself to condemn our religions.

      • oregon nurse

        So you’re fine with government ‘establishing’ an approval of religious symbols for use in military cemeteries as long as you’re not left out of the establishment. Got it. It all depends on whose religion we’re talking about insulting, right?

        • kenofken

          The government doesn’t establish anything in military cemeteries. They give veterans and their families the option of having their personal faith emblem on their grave marker. The government is not asserting a religious identity, individual veterans are. I don’t have a problem with that for anyone’s religion because it is fundamentally different from, say, the Mount Soledad cross.

          The veteran faith symbol approval process was almost entirely pro-forma until Wiccans applied. It took us a decade and a lawsuit to secure our rights, and that happened as a direct result of a governor’s condemnation of our faith of the very sort put foward by Gov. Fallin. A governor’s “personal view” issued from their office is not the same as that of retired governors or Joe six pack’s opinion.

          The governor’s views become public policy to those who serve him or her, whether or not that policy is ever formalized in writing. No Catholic or Christian would be taking up for free speech if the shoe were on the other foot and a governor’s office was condemning their faith in such foul terms. The Thomas Moore Legal Center and others would be breathing fire about the government overstepping its bounds, and they would be right.

          • hamiltonr

            Ken, I’m not going to keep going in circles here. You can disapprove of what the governor said. However, she has the right to say it.

            As for what hypothetical Catholics or Christians (you assert something about all 2 billion Christians, btw, which is certainly rather broad) would or would not do in response to a hypothetical statement from Governor Fallin, I’m not going to dignify that with discussion.

            Your entire comment is a straw man of your own devising for the purpose of making a point that is itself invalid. That point, which comes from your previous comment is that there is a legal prohibition on religious speech which elected officials must abide by.

            The only such prohibition is in the minds of people who use bullying attacks to try to censor other people’s free speech.

            You actually say that a press release is public policy, which is comical. Governor Fallin is not Ramses. She cannot make a statement, fold her arms and announce, “So let it be written. So let it be done.”

            Or rather, I suppose she could, but if she made a practice of that, I can assure you that people around her would start talking about the need for psychotropic drugs.

            Get your head out ken, and stop arguing for a totally invalid point.

      • pagansister

        That is past and now pagan vets can have all you mentioned and for that I’m glad. It is as it should be. Whether I agree or disagree with the governor speaking her personal feelings on this coming mass, she does have the right to express it.

  • kenofken

    It’s not appropriate for government officials to condemn or approve any religious practice in their official capacity. Unless any laws are being broken, it is absolutely not the business of the governor’s office or any government agency to take an official position for or against it, no matter how self-evident that position might seem to the majority of “good folks.”

    The government has no legitimate place to weigh in on the merits of any religion, ever. The Satanists have exactly the same First Amendment rights as the archbishop. The governor’s remarks raise serious doubts about her commitment to uphold the law equally. They will make excellent lawsuit evidence for the Satanist should they find their event creatively thwarted by public officials. I would wish them all success if it came to that.

    I hold no truck at all with Satanism, but I support equal treatment and separation of church and state without reservation. Christians should as well. If a government office can be used to condemn your enemy’s religion, you can bet your last dime that it can – and will – eventually be turned against you.

    • hamiltonr

      Sigh.

      I. Get. So. Tired. of. This.

      Elected officials can say anything they please. This politically correct censorship stuff is beyond nuts. It’s damaging to all our freedoms.

      • kenofken

        It’s not PC censorship. It’s at the heart of what the First Amendment is about. If Mary Fallin the citizen or rank and file Catholic wants to personally give her opinion on Satanism or anything else, that’s fine. Doing so under the authority of office is an abuse of power. If an atheist governor ever denounced Catholicism in the same terms Fallin employed, there would be cries for blood and complaints of abuse of office here and in every other Christian media outlet. Sectarian favoritism and triumphalism bear deadly fruit, and the Middle East is the perfect example of that.

        • hamiltonr

          Oh bosh.

          The heart of the First Amendment is freedom of speech, religion and assembly.

          There is nothing in it that gives you or anyone else the right to censor other people’s speech because they are elected officials. If you don’t agree with what an elected official says, don’t vote for them, or run against them. That’s YOUR right. Their right is to say what they want.

          If an atheist governor denounced Catholicism, I wouldn’t vote for him or her. I would probably campaign against him or her. If it was the Governor of Oklahoma. I might even get all riled up and run against him or her. (Although I have no desire to be governor. But then, I didn’t have a desire to be a legislator at first, either.)

          What I wouldn’t do is assume pretend rights to tell them they can’t say what they want.

          • hamiltonr

            I also want to add that comparing Governor Fallin’s press release with the bloodshed in the Middle East is ridiculous. It insults the dead and dying people in that part of the world by reducing what is happening to them to demagoguery.

    • FW Ken

      And yet, elected officials routinely comment on any perceived or real slight to Islam.

      Anyway, the governor stated clearly that she abhors this assault on Catholics, but will uphold the law. No one is talking about an end run on the satanists.

    • oregon nurse

      Oh, get down off your hypocritical high horse. She’s commenting on a NY ‘religious’ group bringing their hate to her state to publically desecrate the heart and soul of another religion out of pure gratuitous hate. That is hardly an establishment of religion. Plenty of elected officials have spoken out publically against hate from Westboro Baptist, I’m sure with nary a peep from you in protest.

      • tdawg

        Ummm, no… shes endorsing catholicism.

        • FW Ken

          One more question. When President Obama asked that crazy preacher to not burn a Koran, was he endorsing Islsm?

        • AnneG

          She is exercising her right of free speech and her responsibility to lead. She has every right to do that.

  • FW Ken

    I was curious about this denial of a pagan symbol on a military tombstone, and sure enough, the Wiccan symbol was not on an approved list of religious symbols, not surprising since Wiccan is a fairly recent religious innovation. Now, at 38 symbols, it’s a reasonable guess that this isn’t simply a Christian thing. Moreover, a Christian leader advocated for including the pagan symbol.

    So, what we have is another case of outrage directed not at “discrimination”, but against Christianity.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Stewart_(soldier)

    One last point: I’ve been half a mind to say this whole thing should be ignored. Let it fade away into its own darkness. And that’s a reasonable argument. But Satanism is hate, and while it may have a first amendment right to exist, decent people, Christian or non- , should push back against it.

  • vox borealis

    Not to mke light of the sitiation, but reading Gov. Fallin’s statement reminded me of this old ad for Pace Salsa–

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooPBXfnIpYI

    • vox borealis

      Yikes, two misspellings in the first seven words! Still, they’re not just Satanist…they’re Satanists from New York City!

      Joking aside, I think the governor made an excellent statement. And even if I did not agree with her statement (though I do), I am impressed she was actually willing to make a stand and say *something*, and not be intimidated in silence by the PC types. Indeed, her statement almost perfectly exemplifies the proper working of the first amendment.

      • hamiltonr

        Typos abound Vox. I fall prey to them all the time. :-)


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