The Pinnacle: slim, sharp & lonely

Catching up on all the stories since I have been away and I must have missed this one when it broke – the header: Democrat: Republicans hate ObamaCare because they’re racists. Also, Castro’s a genius.

The Democrat is Rep. Diane Watson (D-California). Watson is both African-American and female, so she is speaking from the fake ledge of “absolute moral authority” which was once the province of Cindy Sheehan until she stopped being a useful bat for to beat around the Bush, with. From Watson’s ledge, she declares that if you don’t like Obamacare, you’re racist. And Castro is a genius.

Undoubtedly, if Hillary was now president and having difficulty selling Hillarycare, Watson would be declaring that you and I do not like the plan because we are all a bunch of sexists, who are (naturally) “afraid of a strong woman” who is selflessly all about saving every human being from everything, including themselves.

And, of course, Castro is a “genius.”

I’m a little tired of these overplayed hands and overused labels; I think they’re bandied about much too easily by people who prefer to call names rather than make a cogent, reasonable case for their positions.

The “racism” charge is especially tiresome. Our “post-racial” president has managed to take the sting and the scar out of the word in just, what, 9 short months, not because he’s “transcended” race and brought us all together into the sunshine of his love, but because he and his minions, his presscorp, his party and many of his supports have so quickly made “racism” the de facto excuse for his every failing that they have managed to render the word almost meaningless, to the detriment of those people who actually do suffer the real effects of racism, still, in this country.

NY’s hapless knucklehead of a governor, David Patterson has also been going on about how people think he’s a lousy governor because they’re racists and don’t like black people in power, he suggests (!) that President Obama was going to be the “next” victim of racism masquerading as substantive criticism.

Governor, please! New Yorkers think you’re a lousy governor because you’re a lousy governor. And people are displeased with President Obama’s policies and programs because he’s not doing the things he said he would do, and he is doing the things he said he wouldn’t do, and he seems completely frazzled, lost, whiney, annoyed and out-of-his depths. The guy can make a great speech, it’s true. But a likely-14-Trillion-Dollar Deficit, a jobless “recovery,” dozens of unaccountable czars, a healthcare plan long on control and short on cohesion, no jobs “saved or created,” questions about who his Attorney General will or will not prosecute, White House that seems out of control (and a president who hides behind blame and lacks the stamina to forebear his vacation – none of these inspire confidence.

“Racism” is a handy, empty and lazy excuse for unpopularity, mediocrity or outright failure, and it puts me in mind of Katie Couric’s (and her flock’s) tiresome petulance about her dismal ratings as the anchor of the CBS Evening News, and what I wrote about that could easily be applied to Watson, Patterson and Obama:

Twenty years ago it might have been “enough” for Couric to have gotten into the anchor chair. Today her being a woman is not enough…she has to be good at her job, too, and she simply is not. Her weaknesses are all too apparent, and they are not weaknesses of her sex, but of her self.

Once you’ve reached a pinnacle, you can’t keep whining that you’re only teetering because you’re a woman victim. You’re teetering because the pinnacle is slim, sharp and lonely, and you can only remain there if you belong there, or if you have one hell of a safety belt supporting you. Those that belong there make the pinnacle look easy, the rest impale themselves or fall. Or they loll about in the safety belt, and stagnate.

We have too many years before we can vote for a new governor or a new president. Can we recall the governor? Incompetence is one thing; whining, excuse-making, craven incompetence is another.

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  • dry valleys

    Might I ask what you make of Glenn Beck’s assertion that Obama is a racist?

    Maybe it’s not so bad- just like this form of affirmative action is perfectly fine & dandy (especially because Bush benefited from it in securing entry to Yale).

    Obama is losing the health debate- but he can still mobilise and win

    [Oh, DV, you should know better than to ask me about Glenn Beck. I don't watch him, listen to him, read him know much about him. I don't even know the issue you refer to. As to Bush getting into Yale; I'll worry about people thinking badly of that when we get done with castigating most of the Kennedys for getting into Harvard, Brown, etc on the basis of legacies. Elites are who they are, and most elites take advantage of their connections in their youth. Part of the reason the uppercrust dislikes W is because he eventually rejected the tonal East Coast swells for a Texas swagger; they never forgave him ! :-) And that article you sent me is hysterically funny - it's utterly through the looking glass in perspective. The Tea Partiers are grass-roots. Obama has paid and bussed in (ala ORGANIZED) healthcare supporters. - admin]

  • Bender

    We don’t oppose ObamaCare because we are racist. That’s absurd.

    We oppose ObamaCare because we only care about fetuses and don’t care about people after they are born. And we oppose ObamaCare because we are all either greedy insurance executives who want people to die or we are greedy doctors who want to take people’s money by charging them for unnecessary surgeries.

  • Russ

    You would think that the Trolls would eventually evolve enough to activate the logic processors in their brain.

  • Myssi

    How I do wish that they would judge me by the content of my character rather than the color of my skin.
    Love of liberty does not equal racism. Don’t tread on me does not equal racism. Disagreement between reasoning human beings does not equal racism.
    I almost hate to agree with Glenn Beck, but it does seem racist to tell me that I have to agree with the President because of the color of his skin, when I completely disagree with the content of his public character. I admit to not knowing his private character, and to having qualms that they may not be the same. I feel that way about most politicians, come to think of it. That doesn’t make me racist; it makes me either cynical or prudent, depending on how things turn out.

  • Bobfan

    ” his minions, his presscorp, his party and many of his supports have so quickly made “racism” the de facto excuse for his every failing that they have managed to render the word almost meaningless, to the detriment of those people who actually do suffer the real effects of racism, still, in this country”

    I wish you would give examples of the administration and its supporters using racism as an excuse for Obama’s political troubles, and I wish you would explain how those phony excuses have hurt people actually suffering from racism. I think conservatives could more profitably expend energy bashing their own winguts than complaining about the ones on the other side.

  • Gail F

    Bobfan: Well, the subject of this blog post IS one example of a supporter using racism as an excuse for Obama’s political troubles.

    Does anyone but me think that Obama is just a face and a voice for other people? After all, the man has never accomplished anything except writing books about himself and being elected — no legislation, not even any draft legislation. Suddenly he’s a mastermind reworking the entire country? I think the Democratic party just looked for someone electable to be the face for all their platform issues, and Obama turned out to be the electable one. I’m not saying he doesn’t believe all that — he probably does. But it seems to me that he is just doing what the Democratic party leadership wants, not that he IS the Democratic party leadership.

  • Sue from Buffalo

    Bobfan, she gave two examples of using racism as an excuse for Obama. Gov. Patterson (when he said Obama was next) and Rep Diane Watson. I remember reading more but I don’t have my fingers on them at the moment.

    She also told you how that hurts people who really do experience racism. We’re all getting tired of the word being bandied around and we don’t believe it anymore. We call it an excuse because it has been so abused.

    Weren’t you paying attention? Do you hate conservatives that much?

  • Bobfan

    GailF, I might ask what the subject of this blog post has herself accomplished? Who outside her district pays any attention to her? She has one out of 435 votes; how much real power is that? She’s a marginal figure, and not representative of the administration and its supporters.

    And I don’t know where you got that misinformation about Obama’s poltical career, but he had some success in the Illinois Senate, and as a U.S. Senator, according to govtrac.us, he “has sponsored 121 bills since Jan 24, 2005 of which 115 haven’t made it out of committee and 3 were successfully enacted. Obama has co-sponsored 506 bills during the same time period. (The count of enacted bills considers only bills actually sponsored by Obama and companion bills identified by CRS that were themselves enacted, but not if they were incorporated into other bills, as that information is not readily available.)”

  • Bobfan

    Sue, can we drop this silly notion that to disagree with people is to hate them? Isn’t that just another form of what Anchoress is criticizing in this post? You disagree with Obama, so you must be a racist; I often disagree with conservatives so I must hate them. How tiresome, and how obstructive of reasoned disagreement.

    I don’t think one obscure congressman known for wild remarks and one incompetent governor looking for excuses characterize an entire party.
    Nor do I see an explanation of how a phony racism charge hurts people who are actually suffering from racism. I know, if you cry wolf too often, no one will believe you when the wolf really comes. That’s the dynamic, but I’m looking for specific examples in this case. And if most conservatives aren’t racists (a contention I agree with), then their concern for victims of racism won’t be deterred by the phony charges.

  • http://ejhill1925.wordpress.com/ EJ Hill

    Bobfan – No one is a success in either house of the Congress until you’ve been there long enough to build up seniority. Power is held by the leadership and then chairmen, and to a lesser degree, ranking members of committees. Anything that got through the Senate with Obama’s name on it did so because someone else wanted it to happen.

    If you wish more examples of the whine let’s start:

    Janeane Garofalo on MSNBC Tea Party coverage: “This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up.”

    Mark Potek of the Southern Poverty Law Center insists Obama has “triggered fears among fairly large numbers of white people in this country that they are somehow losing their country.”

    Rep. John Dingell (Very Powerful member of the House) on the Obamacare opponents: “Well, the last time I had to confront something like this was when I voted for the civil rights bill and my opponent voted against it. At that time, we had a lot of Ku Klux Klan folks and white supremacists and folks in white sheets and other things running around causing trouble.”

    Carlos Watson, MSNBC anchor on protesters complaining of Obama’s socialist leanings, “…you start to wonder whether in fact the word socialist is becoming a code word, whether or not socialist is becoming the new N-word.”

    Paul Krugman of the NY Times on the Obamacare protesters, “But they’re probably reacting less to what Mr. Obama is doing, or even to what they’ve heard about what he’s doing, than to who he is.”

    Cythia Tucker of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution speaking on MSNBC, “I think 45 to 65% of the people who appear at these groups are people who will never be comfortable with the idea of a black president.”

    Shall I go on and on? You can’t just oppose Obama and his programs on their merits. You are a RACIST.

  • J.C. Marrero

    Castro is a genius. He has managed to hold on to absolute power for over 50 years without elections by persecuting those who oppose him, stamping out free speech, and destroying his country’s economy. Yet, he has maintained the good will of “progressives” such as this congresswoman. Their common ground is hate of the United States–a very powerful bond, it seems.

  • Bobfan

    EJ, of course Obama had a lot of help getting those bills passed. He still wrote the bills.

    Only one of the people you mention on the subject of racism has a position in government, andn one are in the Obama administration. But take the word “white” out of what Mark Potek said and wouldn’t you and Anchoress and all the people who call Obama a socialist count yourselves among the people he’s talking about? How many black people feel gthe same?

    You quote Tucker that “45 to 65%” of not even conservatives, but just Tea Partiers, are racist. Her claim sounds too strong to me, and it strikes me as faintly ridiculous for her to even guess at actual percentages. But 45 to 65 is not 100, and we know there are plenty of white racists left in this country, and it simply stands to reason that they would be vocal and activist enough to come out to the Tea Parties. I looked up that Krugman column and he too was talking not about conservatives in general but about the yellers at the Tea Parties. The same apparently goes for Garofalo, Dingell and Watson. I haven’t heard them apply the same charge to David Brooks.

    So when you say that “You can’t just oppose Obama and his programs on their merits. You are a RACIST,” your own quotes refute you.

  • Sue from Buffalo

    Bobfan, you write:

    Sue, can we drop this silly notion that to disagree with people is to hate them? Isn’t that just another form of what Anchoress is criticizing in this post? You disagree with Obama, so you must be a racist; I often disagree with conservatives so I must hate them. How tiresome, and how obstructive of reasoned disagreement.

    Absolutely but that’s not what I said. I just get the impression (and you can tell me if I’m wrong.) that you hate conservatives because you didn’t even bother to read what she wrote. It wasn’t a matter of you disagreeing. It was that all the answers were in her post. Two examples were still two examples. I know I’ve seen more but I’ll be darned if I know where they are right now. And crying wolf does hurt those who are experiencing racism. I’ve seen it myself. The word is overdone and abused tremendously. My friend’s coworker was afraid to claim it when it was true because she knows that no one will believe her. Why? Because it’s been abused so much that people are automatically suspicious of it.

  • JuliB

    Bob,

    Racism exists and it can cause people problems. Racists exist, but since those who hold my viewpoints are being called racists. Thus, I now discount it when I hear the word. I react to any and all charges of racism or racist as political blathering.

    So the real instances of racism get buried and no one cares anymore. Therefore, who is going to listen and react when real things happen? Therefore, it hurts the cause of real victims. Since it’s buried, we never even really hear about it.

    Is that so hard to comprehend?

  • EJHill

    Bobfan – First you say, and I quote, “I wish you would give examples of the administration and its supporters using racism as an excuse for Obama’s political troubles…”

    Then, when I give you six specific examples (above and beyond the two mentioned in the specific post) you say, “Only one of the people you mention on the subject of racism has a position in government…”

    Don’t move the goal posts. You said “the administration and IT’S SUPPORTERS.” The administration doesn’t HAVE to do what their willing sycophants in the media gladly do. Rahm Emmanuel and David Axelrod would be stupid to do it openly. They merely have to participate on “Journolist” to get their message freely propagated. Axelrod himself is an ex-Chicago Tribune reporter.

    The following “objective” journalists have all found their way into the Obama Administration in the last eight months:

    • Warren Bass (WaPost)

    • Rosa Brooks (LA Times)

    • Jay Carney (TIME – and husband of ABC’s Claire Shipman)

    • Linda Douglass: (CBS, ABC, National Journal)

    • Peter Gosselin: (LA Times)

    • David Hoff: (Education Week)

    • Beverley Lumpkin: (ABC, CBS)

    • Geoff Morrell: (ABC – lone holdover from the Bush administration, the former newsman became spokesman for Defense Secretary Robert Gates in 2007)

    • Rick Weiss (WaPost)

    • Jill Zuckman (Chicago Tribune)

    The rest are trying to prove their suckup bonafides.

  • SallyJune

    “You’re teetering because the pinnacle is slim, sharp and lonely, and you can only remain there if you belong there, or if you have one hell of a safety belt supporting you. Those that belong there make the pinnacle look easy, the rest impale themselves or fall. Or they loll about in the safety belt, and stagnate.”

    Lovely writing, that. And something to ponder as I stumble through my day. Which is why I love the Anchoress and am so grateful to her for what she brings to me, to the Internet, to all of us.

    I salute you, ma’am.

    [Heh. Thank you. The kind word is appreciated, today! admin]

  • Bobfan

    Sue, if Anchoress gave examples of false cries of racism hurting actual victims of racism, please quote her.

    JuliB, I believe I’ve already answered you. Good and decent and halfway intelligent people don’t close their hearts to injustice just because some people cynically, or sometimes just mistakenly, claim to be victims. People that do are looking for excuses.

    [I did NOT give examples of "false cries of racism hurting actual victims of racism" because I did not charge that as having happened. I was not charging that it had happened, but mentioning the possibility, just as one could suggest that feminists calling off-color jokes "the equivalent of rape" a few years ago risked undermining real claims of sexual abuse due to their hysterical over-use of that "equivalent." -admin]

  • dry valleys

    Nate Silver discusses what it all means for Obama.

  • Sue from Buffalo

    Bobfan, I said: “Bobfan, she gave two examples of using racism as an excuse for Obama. ”

    Using racism as excuses for Obama hurts those who are real victims of racism. You’re starting to twist here, Bobfan.

  • Bobfan

    I posted a reply here last night that didn’t go through.

    Sue, I apologize for misreading you. EJ, you can call those people supporters if you like but I’ll bet you a dollar to a dime they have all criticized him. They’re ideological allies more or less, yes, but that doesn’t make them sycophants. That’s an especially nasty charge to make without evidence. The Obama administration itself has not played the race card.

  • Joseph Marshall

    I did not charge that as having happened. I was not charging that it had happened, but mentioning the possibility

    In other words, once again, you just made it up. Until conservatives stop simply making stuff up out of whole cloth about these issues and start addressing the facts of what is actually happening or has happened they deserve no attention whatever by people with principles and serious minds.

    So what other “possibilities” are you going to spread next? The assertion that the healthcare proposals would be used to deny treatment to Republicans? Or that the government has secretly acquired 300 guillotines because they are the most efficient way to kill people and harvest their body parts? I’ve already seen both on the Internet, so you wouldn’t even have to bother with “mentioning the possibility”. You could just link to it straight, like you usually do.

    Fundamentally this whole uproar is about conservative bad faith. The number of negative “possibilities” you could mention against any proposal is infinite. The mere fact that all of you string together simply one made up “possibility” after another without any reference to actual facts of any kind indicates that you are not serious about the cost of healthcare. Period.

    The insanely rising cost of healthcare and the steadily growing number of uninsured are facts, not “possibilities”.

    The only thing you are serious about is defeating Obama because he is Obama–a Democratic President trying to present a serious solution to a host of serious problems based in fact and not “possibility”, and willing to work with those who are equally serious about the problems and willing to face the facts, even if they don’t like his solution.

    And, therefore, you are treating the people who are serious about them with bad faith.

    All of the rhetoric, “Socialism”, “Free Choice”, “paid for abortions”, “seniors told simply to die”, is just contentless blather to hide from yourselves and others that you would not seriously try to deal with the healthcare cost problems on any terms whatever.

    Beyond this, the bad faith extends to the general case that you would not try to deal with any serious problem whatever if a Democratic President and Congress happened to propose a solution to it.

    Okay. It’s a free country. You can live in that world of trumped up possibilities about the unending malice, duplicity, hostility to freedom and to individual rights of Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, or anyone else who registers with the Democratic Party–the world where everybody you don’t like gets to be decorated with a toothbrush mustache no matter what they actually propose to do or actually do.

    It gives you every excuse not to explore the possibility that you might agree with them about something. And it absolves you from taking responsibility for genuine public problems of any kind.

    But I’m glad I don’t live in that world. I’m seriously mentally ill, but I live in a world of provable fact and genuine content. I have to. I can’t afford to live in a world where everything is a made up “possibility” swathed in overheated rhetoric.

    Ordinary people get to step back out of that world when it’s time to sit down to dinner or go shopping. But my wonky brain biochemistry would turn such things into pure delusion inside of a week. And once you step into that, there is no guarantee you will ever come out.

    So give me provable fact and reality testing anytime.

    [Joseph, there is a vast difference between projecting something that could conceivably happen (where people wrong to warn feminists that calling a blue-joke "rape" diminished the strength of the word and the claims of victims? I don't think so) and "making something up." I'm wondering if that is really a charge you want to lay at my door? I'm sorry if you are angry, or in a bad mood, but I think you might want to reconsider that? As far as "conservative bad faith" goes, I'm sorry...did I misunderstand the president when he was running for office and said he was going to be post-racial and post-partisan, and all about transparency, and so forth? Where is the "bad faith" in taking Obama's own words about how "sometimes the pain killer will be a better alternative than the surgery" and the NYTimes own advocacy of "rationing" to their logical conclusions? admin]

  • Bobfan

    Ahh, thanks you for that, Joseph.

    Anchoress charges here that Obama, “his minions, his presscorp, his party” (including NY Governor OPaterson) “and many of his supports have so quickly made ‘racism’ the de facto excuse for his every failing.”

    I continue to think the people resorting to that charge are far and few between, but I read today that Charles Rangel has joined their ranks. What I also read, which Anchoress doesn’t mention, is that the White House itself has condemned that charge when Paterson made it.

    [Of course they condemned it. They have been exceedingly careful since the Gates incident. -admin]

  • Bobfan

    ‘[Of course they condemned it. They have been exceedingly careful since the Gates incident. -admin]”

    How pathetic. A black president was too quick to presume racism in a situation when racism is often a factor, and so from that you presume he will play the race car whenever he can. How truly pathetic.

    [Oh, give me a break. He played the race card in his own campaign - over and over again - "they're going try to scare you because I have a funny name...and I don't look like past presidents..." You want to call me pathetic go ahead. But my memory is pretty good. And don't put words in my mouth as in "he will play the race card whenever he can" I said nothing of the sort. -admin]

  • Bobfan

    Er, Anchoress, do you actually deny the existence of racists in this country? Do you deny that white racists vote Republican? Obama said that one time, and he had good reason to so so. He didn’t make it a theme of his campaign.

    [Erm...no, Bob, I do not deny the existence of racists in this country. I don't deny that SOME white racists vote Republican. I also believe that SOME white racists vote Democrat. And I believe that the people who fixate on race are the most reliably racist among us, whatever their hue. And Obama said it more than once. But that's okay. I understand. It's politics. Race cards always get played when its convenient, by both sides. And don't talk to me like I'm an idiot or put words into my mouth (as you do when you suggest either that I don't think there is racism in the country or that I ever suggested he made race a "theme" of his campaign.) I don't do it to others, and it's one thing I cannot abide; it will make you unwelcome. The other thing I cannot abide is having to make increasingly fine distinctions when someone wants to play games and argue a piece of wood into a toothpick, for fun. I'm not much of a game player, myself, so I have no patience for it. -admin]

  • Bobfan

    To be more specific, Obama’s racist opponents spread lies that his birth certificate was faked and he was actually born overseas. They lied that he was indoctrinated into Islam in a Muslim school. They lied that he was sworn into the Illinois Senate on a Koran and would be sworn in as president on the same.
    Trying to scare people because of how he looks is exactly what they did, and they succeeded too.

  • Bobfan

    Anchoress, I agree that a fixation on race _can_ be a sign of racism. On the other hand, the only people who can ignore racism as a factor in national life are the ones who’ve never been hurt by it.

    [Are you suggesting that I "ignore" racism? Hey, I'm a woman who was not allowed to go to college by a mad-patriarch in the family, and a Catholic who was once spat and kicked for being one. That's not racism, but in both cases its given me a small taste of what it's like to be unjustly held back, discriminated against and despised for no good reason. I also once got to see the ugly, painful real-time effect of genuine racism and I will never forget it, as long as I live. So I think I have at least as much sympathy as and awareness as you. I also have awareness when racism (or sexism) is simply being used as an excuse for mediocre performance (remember, this started with comments on Couric) and when something is real and when it's a game. Obama gamed it in the campaign, and one really does need to willfully suspend belief to think his repeated "because I don't look the same..." was anything but a not-so-subtle playing of the race card. Meant to let supporters know they were good, noble people, and that the other people were raaaaaaacists. It was a divisive move made by a fellow who was promising to unite us, a race-card played by a fellow who was promising to transcend race. It was the slick move of a politician. Support Obama all you want, it's your right, but if I had to own up to the fact that Bush's speech ticks were painful and nearly beyond enduring, you should be able to own up to the fact that Obama is like any other politician, willing to use every tool in his arsenal to get the win, and yes, he used the race card. That is an ENTIRELY different argument that your baseless accusation that I somehow don't see racism, or refuse to acknowledge racism. And as I said yesterday, I will not allow you to "Ken" me with ever-thinning devolutions of distinctions. I don't have time to spend here responding to your scores of comments each day, and if you start demanding that much time of me by accusing me of things that are not true (or putting words in my mouth that I am forced to refute) then your comments will subject to moderation until I can get around to responding to them. I won't allow you to slander me on my own site, sir. -admin]

  • Bobfan

    Anchoress, I’m not accusing you of ignoring racism or having no sympathy for its victims. I’m saying Obama knew he would have to deal with racism, and instead of ignoring it wisely addressed it. (And as far as I can tell and remember it’s not true that he spoke that way repeatedly on the campaign; he only said “I don’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bill” once). And I’m also saying that the examples I gave proved him right. I see no reason to think he was giving an aren’t we-noble-and-superior wink to his supporters. What good would that have done him? He was speaking to the basically decent people that subtle racist appeals might reach (Experts tell us we’re all racists; I say instead that we’re all naturally a little afraid of change and of people we aren’t used to). I also agree that some of his supporters have played the race card as an excuse for what I agree is his mediocre performance so far. But I think they’re relatively far and few between, I think the administration has not played that card, and I don’t think they deserve cynicism for not having done so. They don’t deserve to be damned (so to speak) if they do and damned if they don’t.

    Sure, Obama is a canny politician, and sure a lot of politically engaged people (left and right) feel themselves morally superior to the people on the other side. But Obama simply has not spoken that way. And while I’m as cynical as I’m sure you about characters like Al Sharpton, it’s also true that African-Americans think there is more racism left in this country than whites do. That’s only natural and the truth must be somewhere in between.

    [Obama may have made his "dollar bill" remark "once" but he alluded to "looking different" several times on the campaign trail - I have an excellent memory, but not the time or the inclination to look them all up. Look, I'm done with this discussion - I do not have time to spend responding to your dozens of comments every day (what do you do, monitor the site?) and especially not on old posts when I'm trying to write new posts and meet paying deadlines. You're entitled to your opinion, and to full respect for it, but we'll have to agree to disagree, because I'm done responding in this thread. If I had all day to chat with you that would be lovely, but I don't. You WILL get a response from me, though, if you try to put words in my mouth again. Let's be friends, all peace, etc, but you've found my boundary, so I suggest you not encroach upon it again. I'm a tolerant and friendly girl, but when you put words into my mouth (which you did several times yesterday) that's where you find my bog. -admin]

  • Bobfan

    I hardly make dozens of comments a day, but I’m not going to accuse you of slandering me for saying I do either. There is also a difference between mischaracterizing what someone says, which I _may_ have done, though I doubt it, and which often happens unintentionally when people from opposing viewpoints debate, and deliberately putting words in their mouth. I’m an honorable guy, and I don’t do the latter. Period.


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