The New Age of Prophets

The New Age of Prophets October 18, 2017

With the huge explosion of prophets today, what do the Scriptures say about whether they’re from God or not?

A New Age of Prophets

Prophets, the Freedom of God, and Hermeneutics, a Westminster Theological Journal (52.1), by Dr. Willem A. Vangemeren from Prophets, the Freedom of God, and Hermeneutics is an essential as far as relating to those who believe that they either have the gift of prophecy or they know someone who is a self-proclaimed prophet. One recent example was a young lady who was considering marriage with her boyfriend who was battling pornography. At the time that this young woman contacted me, she stated that her boyfriend needed help in overcoming his addiction to pornography. He just couldn’t seem to quit, and it was affecting their relationship in negative way. Then she told me that someone that nearly broke my heart. She said someone in her church had prophesied that they were to be husband and wife, and she was confused as to whether to marry this man or not. I tried to explain to her that the age of the prophets, as with the cannon of Scripture, is closed. We have no need of any new revelation today. We already have the sufficiency the Bible, where it says, “Thus says the Lord.” It was clear that this woman received a false prophesy from a false prophet because she had prophesied over her that she was to be married, despite the young man’s ongoing, unrepentant addiction to pornography. A year later, this prophetess’ “prophecy” would utter fail.

False Prophets

To be a prophet of God is a narrowly defined office, and rightly so, because someone who had been called by God spoke the words of God, directly from God, but they also spoke in His name, and that’s one of the weightiest responsibilities there are. The prophets of old were nearly always an Israelite, and they primarily spoke primarily, though some to other nations, but that was in the context of their direct contact and relations with Israel. If someone claims to be a prophet, they stand in the tradition of the Mosaic covenant and which encourages loyalty to the Lord and condemns apostasy while authenticating their office with “signs” (81), so what agreement is there with this self-proclaimed prophet’s prophecy to this woman and the fact that a year later, the man would marry another woman? Dr. Vangemeren says that false prophets encourage “a selective lifestyle…and the ability to adapt to the cultural changes” (82). In this young woman’s church, this “prophetess” apparently “enjoyed popular support” because she “represented the theological perspective of [their] contemporaries” (83). This false prophet failed to live up to what God’s Word says that a true prophet says, and whether it comes true or not, so her prophecies depended on things working out between this couple, which they did not. Just like their “appeal to Moses,” this self-proclaimed prophetess enjoyed a large support base in her church (84), and in this woman’s church, failed prophecies or not, this prophetess is popularly accepted by this church and many other churches (83) today. This church is deceived because it will not look at the criteria for a prophet, and so, they lose the help they need “in discerning the true from the false” (85). I see that this so-called prophet is unlike those of the true prophets in the Bible because her prophecies are always accepted and highly popular, however the prophets of old came with messages that were mostly rejected and the prophets were treated with disdain, and many were killed. From a biblical viewpoint, this self-proclaimed prophet did not have the qualifications to be a prophet because she soundly rejected what Scripture teaches regarding prophets.

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Human Counsel

According to Dr. Vangemeren, the problem with this woman “prophetess” or self-proclaimed prophetess was that there was no “adherence to…ethics [or] regulations pertaining to holiness,” since her boyfriend’s refusal to counsel about his ongoing addiction pornography, were not seen as impediments for them to have a “blessed marriage” (in her own words). This false prophet did not see the application of “God’s warnings, judgments, and conditions to the people of God,” to live a sanctified, holy life (85) as God commands (Lev 11:44-45, 19:2, 20:7; 1st Pet 1:16). Instead of speaking the “whole counsel of God,” she spoke her own counsel by “advocating a…human response…to fix whatever [appeared] wrong, so as to perpetuate the human power” (86). She thought, once the couple was married, he would lose the desire for pornography, but rarely do marriages fix addictions, but no one was about to rebuke this woman because of the power and popularity she held (85). Dr. Vangemeren writes that false prophets have ruled out any “change in God’s relation with His people,” like their striving for holiness, so false prophets like this woman have actually often have “undermined the purposes of God” (87)! These prophets teach human-centered ethics as interpreted by popular conceptions, so just like in the Old Testament, false prophet’s base their prophecies on good things that people love to hear. Rarely is it a call to change. Pragmatism is the prophet’s doctrine; they assess their theories or beliefs in terms of the success of their practical application. If it works, it must be right. If it draws people to church, then it must be right.

A Biblical Test

Maybe someone in that church should go up to that prophetess, and say, “I have a ‘word from God’ for you: “When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him” or her (Deut 18:22). This so-called “prophet” was wrong because the man ended up marrying another woman (and later, divorcing her) so the woman’s prophecy of her being happily married within the year was wrong…now, seven-years wrong (and counting). The Bible allows prophets one strike and they’re out. God does not send prophets who get 9 out of 10 right. They are always right or they are not a prophet, so the counsel this woman received from this “prophet” is not authoritative in the sense that she spoke for God. Did this prophet actually believe that a marriage would solve this man’s addiction to pornography? Jeremiah’s test for prophecy is the same as others; “when the word of that prophet comes to pass, then it will be known that the LORD has truly sent the prophet” (Jer 28:9). This prophetess had once chance, and she blew it…and the subsequent other failed prophecies now label her, according to Scripture, as a false prophet.

Tickling Ears

Deuteronomy 18:22 and Jeremiah 28:9 have certain conditions affixed to them, and there is only one of two options; one is true prophet and one is false prophet. Moses wrote, “when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him” or her (Deut 18:22). In Jeremiah’s day, Hananiah was a false prophet and he was uttering all sorts of wonderful things for the people of Judah to hear. They couldn’t hear enough from him, but “Jeremiah the prophet said to the prophet Hananiah, “Listen, Hananiah, the Lord has not sent you, and you have made this people trust in a lie. Therefore thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, I will remove you from the face of the earth. This year you shall die, because you have uttered rebellion against the Lord’” (Jer 28:15-16), and “The prophets who preceded you and me from ancient times prophesied war, famine, and pestilence against many countries and great kingdoms” (Jer 28:8), so prophets today who prophecy that your mortgage will be paid off, your bank account will double, and other such nonsensical things, had better swallow the truth that “the prophet who prophesies peace, when the word of that prophet comes to pass, then it will be known that the LORD has truly sent the prophet” (Jer 28:9).

Thus Says Man

I doubt very seriously whether these self-anointed prophets ever read Deuteronomy 18:22 and Jeremiah 28:9 when they’re teaching or preaching. Maybe they’re afraid to since only the true prophets of God never missed…even once. Soo what harm is there? Many of these false prophets leave in their wake, hurting people, ruined relationships, and hopes and dreams dashed to the ground. We know that the Scriptures are now closed (Heb 1:1-2; Jude 1:3; Duet 4:2; Rev 22:18), so these so-called prophet’s enter dangerous territory when speaking for God. God warns, “if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book” (Rev 22:19), so “Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar” (Prov 30:6), and even in the time of Moses, it was understood that “You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you” (Deut 4:2). Has this woman, and other “prophets” considered that in the Bible, what a prophet spoke was considered Scripture? Is she (and others) willing to believe that prophecies are considered part of the Word of God? In the Old Testament, when the prophets uttered prophecies, they became part of Scripture…every time! I wonder if they’ve ever thought about that.

New Prophets?

When this young lady asked me about this woman’s prophecy about her engagement, an engagement to a boyfriend that was addicted to pornography, I used Jeremiah 28:9 and Deuteronomy 18:22 to show here that prophesying for God is speaking for God, and speaking for Him means speaking what God would speak. The Bible itself gives evidence of whether a prophet is actually speaking the words of God, and if the words are from God, and several descriptive Bible verses reveal that we have no need for further or newer revelation because we already have all the revelation necessary in the written Word of God (Heb 1:1-2; Jude 1:3; Duet 4:2; Rev 22:18). Don’t we think that’s enough? Do we really need more from God outside of Scripture? And finally, the church was built upon the foundation of the prophets and apostles, and Jesus Himself was the Chief Cornerstone (Eph 2:20, so it seems foolish to me, even dangerous, to try and place more prophets, meant for the foundation, on top of a building which God has been building for over 2,000 years. A foundation belongs at the bottom, doesn’t it? Isn’t a foundation laid at the very beginning? I’ve never seen my own grandchildren build a block tower with another foundation at the top. Even they knew it would fall!

Conclusion

Jesus Christ has not stopped teaching His church and God’s Spirit is still illuminating Scripture, but I don’t think we need new revelation from a source other than God. I believe God will illuminate what has already been written. I see no evidence in the Bible that God is going to give us a “new Word.” God speaks to us now, beginning in Genesis 1:1 all the way to Revelation 22:21. He will not use human imaginations, human divination, nor will He use man-centered ethics, popular interpretative conceptions, pragmatism, human schemes, counsel or plans. I prayed that this so-called prophet would come to the realization that prophets of God spoke words that were considered as part of the Word of God itself, and that the fatal price that Aaron’s sons paid in bringing a strange fire before the Lord (Lev 10:1-3). This is ground where even angels would fear to tread, so how much more fearful for those who proclaim themselves to be prophets of God. Believe it or not, this false prophetess is still in that church, at this writing, and despite her many failed prophecies, she is more popular than ever. I guess this church loves having their own prophet in the congregation. It gets attention and draws others to the church, but tragically, that’s not a good reason because Jesus rebuke those who sought after “signs and wonders” (Matt 12:39, 16:4; Mark 8:12; Luke 11:29). Yes, she’s a prophet, a false one, and clearly many of these prophets are in it for the profit, so my question is, if they’re a prophet, they’re a prophet from where? And from whom? Answer me that? And remember, you can only be wrong once.

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

Vangemeren, Dr. Willem, A. Prophets, the Freedom of God, and Hermeneutics. Westminster Theological Journal, 52.1 (Spring 1990): 79-99.

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  • pud

    Demonstrate that a single word from any “prophet” past or present is the “word” of a “god”…..waiting….

    You can’t, you won’t and you don’t care.

    Actual “truth” is anti-matter to you

  • “Prophets” are actually intuitive, insightful psychologists. They are good at cold reading and know how to lead with questions. Sad thing is (like myself when I was a religionist ages ago), they convincingly deceive themselves into thinking a god is talking to them. That inner voice is not Jesus, but one’s self. Amazing what the mind can do, tricking oneself.

    • Doug Barron

      Go right ahead with that. If it makes you feel balanced and logical.

      • pud

        Keep consulting your made up imaginary friends if it makes you feel balanced. You balanced? LOL!!!

      • haha, if prophets were real, there would be no errors in prophesying. The likeliness is about that of a psychic or mental counselor.
        Hit or miss. Good guesses are usually guaged on something they are picking up or seeing, not from a god.
        There are no prophets.

  • Tree Kangaroo

    The mainline (liberal) churches have been listening to false prophets for a century. These false prophets are telling them that compromising with the secular world is a good thing. Sadly, such voices are now being heard in the evangelical churches too.

    • pud

      How do you tell a real “prophet” from a false one Skippy?

    • NathansFather

      So true.
      What is the World Council of Churches (WCC)?
      https://www.gotquestions.org/World-Council-of-Churches-WCC.html

      • Doug Barron

        A bad idea!

        • pud

          All “churches” are a bad idea. Make believe should be left to Disneyland

        • NathansFather

          They are despicable. Most local Pastors and for sure the congregations do not know of these religionists at the highest level of “leadership” of the mainline religions. This entity the “World Council of Churches” is an organ of The United Nations whose objective is to enslave people in every country. Find out more about Agenda 2030. This is the coming soon dominion set up by satan’s minions. These forces are indeed real. All surrounding their worship of lucifer. They are called luciferians and illuminati.

          • LOL omfg

          • NathansFather

            And you feel the need to PUD and troll because???
            You really need to go to the Atheist Channel of Patheos.
            This is clearly a followers of The Way, Truth, and Life forum. You have no part here to contribute in a positive manner.
            Bully. You are marked and reported.
            I will pray for confrontation of the Living God for you. His will be done.
            I dust my sandals.
            I truly pity your delusion.
            Read this if you are capable. It is written by my dear friend, brother and mentor.
            Thank you for blessing me and giving me the opportunity to post about My Lord and Savior once again 😉
            The Christian Crier: Top 7 Bible Verses About Bullying And Dealing With Bullies
            by Pastor Jack Wellman, Patheos and Telling Ministries, my brother in Christ, mentor, and Biblical Christian man.
            http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2016/05/23/top-7-bible-verses-about-bullying-and-dealing-with-bullies/
            Referenced Scripture
            Luke 6:27-28
            Romans 12:18-19
            Psalm 138:7
            Ephesians 6:12
            Leviticus 19:18
            Romans 12:20-21

          • The World Council of Churches is not an organ of the United Nations. You’re dreaming!

          • NathansFather

            Part 1 – The truth about the United Nations goals against humanity

            I find it odd coming from a self-professed atheist you defend The World Council of Churches.
            You sir are uninformed.
            Yes indeed it is an organ of The United Nations.
            The United Nations is devoted to setting up the evil one’s dominion of control against humanity. Their goal is to reduce the population of the world to 10%.
            This remnant is to serve an elite cabal of control masters.
            Only the young and easily brainwashed to be their serfs.
            Read about Agenda 2030.
            ” United Nations Agenda 2030 population control ”
            https://duckduckgo.com/?q=United+Nations+Agenda+2030+population+control&t=hg&ia=web
            There are actually people who have openly given credos and quotable for this position.

          • You’re psychotic!

          • Very good links for all to explore. Our American “church” unfortunately by-in-large is apostate.

          • Well, Granted In, why are you writing to yourself. Of course you are going to say that your own links are ” Very good links”. It’s all nonsense.

          • NathansFather

            Part 2 – The heretical, apostate WCC

            What is the World Council of Churches?
            https://duckduckgo.com/?q=What+is+the+World+Council+of+Churches&t=hf&ia=web
            What is the World Council of Churches (WCC)?
            https://www.gotquestions.org/World-Council-of-Churches-WCC.html
            The Truth About The World Council of Churches
            http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WCC.htm

          • Your sources are extreme right wing Fundamentalist ones. Go read some actual literature produced by the WCC and stop misrepresenting them.

        • NathansFather

          The Growing Apostasy of the Dominionists

          World Council of Churches: The KGB Connection
          By Mark Tooley
          March 31, 2010
          http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/56261/world-council-churches-kgb-connection-mark-d-tooley

          Eye-Witness Account: Global Peace Forum at Saddleback with Rick Warren and Tony Blair raises serious questions about Global Peace Plan
          http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/011/lighthousetrails/eye-witness-global-peace.htm

    • One of the prophets that evangelicals agree with is Samuel. This Samuel character is said to have received a prophecy from his god in which Samuel tells Saul to butcher the Amalekites: men, defensless women, little children and babies. Saul carries out his task with enthusiasm, except that he spares one person. For this he loses his kingship. No mention about the immorality of ruthlessly butchering little children and babies that the false prophet Samuel says that god commands.

      No way in the world is this story consistent with the Christian just war theory advocated by Augustine, Aquinas, Luther and Calvin It’s a ruthless war of aggression and is genocidal, all over something that the Amalekites did to Israel several centuries before. The Amalekites existing in the days of Saul were not responsible for what was done before.

      Listening to so-called prophets can be dangerous business.

      • NathansFather

        >> all over something that the Amalekites did to Israel several centuries before. <<

        Elaborate please. You give opinions John.
        Give us Scripture and supporting articles.
        Give us quotes of Augustine, Aquinas,
        Luther and Calvin's arguments for and against the "just war theory."

        • Please read Ex. 17:14, Deut. 25:17-19 and 1 Sam. !5:2-3 in their immediate and broader contexts.

          I Sam 15:2-3 reads “Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have: do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey” Either you don’t know the bible very well or you have forgotten. A quick check and you could have found this out. How can you justify the murder of little children and babies? Why should the Amalekites existing in the days of Saul be wiped out for what an earlier population of them did in opposing the Israelites when they came out of Egypt? How are these things just?

          • NathansFather

            Again just inquiring what your read on this was. Justice is God’s alone. I do not question His motives. You seem to be driven to do so. Again I wonder just what is your cause celebre against God? What do you perceive He did to you to warrant your hatred?

          • Maybe there is a distinction between the textual god and the real God. Please read Eric Siebert’s “Disturbing Divine Behavior”. Eric is an Anabaptist evangelical theologian who reads the bible through a pacifist lens, with Jesus of Nazareth at its centre.

          • NathansFather

            John you really puzzle me… how can you be so well read yet an atheist???

            And those who claim to be “pacifists” yet are communists instead are very tricky indeed. This Peace, Peace, but there is No Peace is contrary to the Sword of the Lord who is Jesus Iesous Y’shua Christos Christ, GOD the Son, I AM.

            Read verse-by-verse, phrase-by-phrase with the aid of a commentator such as John Gill all of John 17. You don’t seem to grasp (grin literally) the Power of the The Sword. Not in a military sense but of a revolutionary The Way, Truth, and Life …. The ONLY ONE, I AM total Logic and Theos.

            I have a real problem with anyone who identifies themselves as an “evangelical theologician.” Koine Greek has been tortured with this label. evangelical is not used in the Bible however E – as in EL, I AM and Angelos are. It is becoming more and more difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff nowadays. Lucifer sure is tricky!

            Bible Gateway
            https://www.biblegateway.com
            9 Bible results for “gentle”

          • “Evangelical” is derived from the Greek word for gospel or good news.

          • Many atheists are ex Christians who have studied the bible deeply. They read it all. Please read Bruce Gerencser’s blog.. He was a Baptist pastor of over 25 years and a Christian for 50, but is now an atheist and has been for a few years. He knows far more about the bible than you do Please check him out. Gary Matson is another. He has a blog called http://lutherwasnotbornagaincom.wordpress.com/. See if you can answer him.

          • Well if God exists, he is not the textual god of the barbaric wars of the OT. Only defensive wars can be justified ( there are some of these in the OT). Genocide and other wars of aggression by Israel (but not genocidal ones) are included in the OT (often with the approval of the textual god) . There must be some link between God’s justice and human justice if human beings are created in the image of likeness of God.

            The God of compassion, healing mercy and loving kindness did nothing to me that caused me to turn from him/her. Compassion, and kindness are what I follow (not always successfully) but I know that these are healing agents for any human spirit. They uplift , inspire and encourage and ennoble us. They make us whole. This is what salvation means. (sozo= to save or to be made whole). A violent god can’t make anyone whole. A God of fear cannot heal a human person within, only love can do that.

          • NathansFather

            What do you define as a > textual god < ?

        • On just war theory read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/just-war-theory. You could visit a theological library ( if close by) and study Christian theological ethics of a just war. You could also find out that Augustine and Aquinas were proponents and if you read Calvins’ Institutes you would find that he supported this theory. The writings of Luther also show that he was a supporter This theory condemns the killing of civilians or non combatants.

          Are you so Lazy that you cannot do a google search? Do one on Calvin and Luther and you will find that I am right on this issue. Apparently, you don’t know your bible all that well, nor the history of Christian theology and ethics all that well, yet you pontificate your knowledge as if anyone who disagrees with you is of Satan or perhaps suffering from demon oppression of possession. Please relax, and enjoy your day

          • NathansFather

            I was just wondering your read on this is all. “Christian theological ethics of a just war” And I don’t Google it is part of the tech cabal. I use Duck Duck Go that does not track you. Google sends you to communist sites and funds their evil control mechanisms.

            And when have I pontificated I was all knowing? I do have the skill to research that anyone can develop. Just the gift I was given at birth to be curious and use the speed reading abilities He afforded me. Nothing more. Oh I have more than my bumper crop of inabilities also. The thorns in our sides each has been given also to keep us humble. God rewards the humble and resists the proud. The Beatitudes. Blessed be….

          • I studied theological ethics during my theological studies,

          • NathansFather

            You obviously should have had a failing grade UNLESS the prof was apostate if you got from it only that all religions are ethical. Take ISLAM… now that IS the religion of violence and murder.
            BTW followers of The Way, Truth, and Life are not religionist.
            We are disciples of the One and Only Living and Loving GOD I AM.
            We do not follow useless rituals and rehearsed chantings.
            Now that IS religion of futility.

          • The prof. was an evangelical and I got a high distinction.

          • You don’t know what I wrote in the research papers that I did. So stop making things up. You are bearing “false witness”. You have a tendency to continuously make up whatever comes into your mind, instead of being silent on those things you know nothing of. I suppose you think the Holy Spirit was leading you and that you were doing an “exegesis of the Holy Spirit. Wrong again!

          • NathansFather

            Thank you for the Scripture for context.

            *** I still wonder what caused John to turn from The Faith? Must have been monumental indeed. *** Please explain.

            Actually I am not lazy at all in my studies. Laziness is not part of Berean Inquiry. I learn each day of the Glory of God. How much more He is and how much less we are. This is humility. I am no god. None of us can stand against the Living God and His sovereign power. Yet some feel the strange need to do so. I find this amazing.

    • What prophets are these? Amos, Micah, 1st (ch.1-39), 2nd ( ch. 40-55) and 3rd Isaiahs ch. 56-66) in particular. Are these false prophets?

  • Tee Eef

    The truth is that God still speaks to his people in one way or another. for sure prophets are there whether true or false this is true. Most people who are passing comments haven’t done a concerted effort to research i stay and live in Zimbabwe I live under the covering of the man of God a Prophet from God. I confidently say this because I see the works he performs in the name of Jesus Christ. Apart from the anointed word of God he preaches, the man can prophesy, heal, the sick, delivers the bound, teaches as well and many more things a true man of God.

    When I say the sick are being healed its not simple sicknesses one may think of AIDS, cancer, Hypertension BP and kink of chronic illness people are being healed in the name of non other than Jesus Christ through the ministration of the man of God, Whatever you may say guys its all up to but what i know and I am saying is something that I have witnessed, experienced, know and believe in. Any kind of affliction people may encounter in their lives are being delivered and set free.

    People of God you need to know as long as we are still in this world the devil is not going on any leave or vacation, As long as the Satan is their we can’t leave without prophecy. Prophecy is a tool to fight against devils afflictions. You may not believe in prophesying or in prophetic church because you haven’t been there and you haven’t seen anything I can not blame you.

    What I can only do is to ask you to honestly pray to God to show you the truth and way, God is still speaking. and he will certainly answer and show you the way. This God whom we pray is not a simple God He is all powerful and is the center and the owner of all power you may think of Here on earth and all the heavens.

    • pud

      Oh really? Which “god”? Demonstrate that your claim is actually “true” Oh wait…you’re a lunatic from Zimbabwe…never mind…enjoy your voodoo

      • Tee Eef

        @pud you are the one who is a lunatic I don’t think you are a Christian in the first place. If you can’t understand what is being discussed here I don’t think you deserve to be on this platform. A devil worshiper, a Satanist,

        It is a waste of time to urge with a fool like you, otherwise people might not notice the difference. I don’t think you are on this platform for constructive deliberations, it’s seems you rebuke and attack almost everyone and at the same time there is virtually nothing you are contributing. You may be a child of a bitch.

        “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”

        You are a waste SHAME! SHAME! SHAME SHAME! SHAME! SHAME SHAME! SHAME! SHAME SHAME! SHAME! SHAME SHAME! SHAME! SHAME SHAME! SHAME! SHAME

        We are talking about Christianity and you mind goes to Voodoo that’s where you belong. What does Voodoo got to do with Christianity here.

        I really feel sorry for you my dear; get delivered before it is too late. If you are Human and there is Humanity in you sure seek Jesus; is the only person who can help you. It’s seems you are possessed by the evil spirits because the way you manifest is really weird and unbelievable. The way you behave you really shouldn’t be on the platform and forum. YOU ARE INSANE!!!!!

        I PRAY, MAY JESUS HELP YOU

        • Doug Barron

          Do not waste your time with the avatar “pud”

        • Pud asked you to demonstrate your claim that your so-called prophet is a man of God. He asked which god? Instead of answering him, you go on a personal attack against Pud. Is this the kind of response that your Jesus would support? is this “letting your light so shine before human beings that they may see your good works and glorify God”? Are you showing compassion, healing-mercy and loving kindness towards Pud?

          If you feel sorry for Pud, why are you vitriolic? It’s no good praying that Jesus will help him, if you don’t show the love and kindness of Jesus towards others. Prayer doesn’t work, if there is no god to pray to.

          What evidence is there for the existence of “evil spirits”? How would these differ from claims some people make for the existence of fairies.

          Assume that evil spirits do exist, then doesn’t your vitriol come from such “spirits”?

          • NathansFather

            Sorry John you are way off base here:

            >> It’s no good praying that Jesus will help him, if you don’t show the
            love and kindness of Jesus towards others. Prayer doesn’t work, if there is no god to pray to. <<

            PUD kind? Whew… not hardly.
            Yes, praying DOES help. It is the only way for PUD to be saved from his/her/its delusional ravings of the demonic force.

            By others lifting the name up to the Transcendent GOD. Man proposes, GOD disposes. His will and not ours. In the same way I will continue to lift your name up to I AM.

            Guess what??? This worked on me. My neighbor prayed for me often and I came to her house at 3 AM to receive Jesus Iesous Y'shua when I was confronted by I AM.

    • NathansFather

      What is this prophet’s name?

      • Doug Barron

        That would be good to know. But; if a true prophet; the person will seek to hide their name.
        A false prophet wishes to have their name glorified.

        • pud

          LOL

        • NathansFather

          Amen. I do not trust anyone who identifies themselves as a prophet.

      • Tee Eef

        Thank you for asking the man of God is the Founder and the Leader of United Family International Church (UFIC) in Zimbabwe Prophet Emmanuel Makandiwa, is also on Youtube and you may watch him on Christ TV it’s also available of youtube and also DVDs are available and should you want more inform I available on the platform

        • NathansFather

          Thank you I will check him out. Does he call himself a prophet or do others just call him prophet?

          • You might want to ask a few more questions.

            Is he into new age spirituality under the guise of Pentecostal theology? Where did he get his enormous wealth from? Have any of his so-called prophecies failed? Have any of his alleged healings been demonstrated to be fakes? Have any people actually been healed through his ministry? Are these psycho-somatic? Have any organic healings taken place and what is the medical evidence before and after the alleged healings? Has he been involved in occult practices?

          • NathansFather

            You need to ask. Good questions! BTW I am no Pentecostal at all. Uh uh… wow are they far away from the First and Second Century Church.

          • I agree!

          • NathansFather

            Gee agreement. This is good 🙂

    • Doug Barron

      They denied the prophets..they will deny Me

      • pud

        Every CULT says the same BS. It’s a make believe story book you credulous fool.

      • NathansFather

        Very true Doug. The Scripture you are going after is this one from The Parable of the Rich Man and the Beggar, Lazarus.
        Luke 16:19-31 King James Version (KJV)
        31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

        • Doug Barron

          Indeed. What people percieve today as prophecy and prophets, is a person that is just a soothesayer, saying soothing things.
          True prophecy is a warning to a wrong turning person or people in order to persuade them to turn; to repent before it is too late.
          Most people don’t listen; ridiculing, and even killing the prophet in order to silence the prophet.
          You are spot on!
          Thanks for your “Berean-ness”!

          • NathansFather

            I read your posts. As Pastor Jack says they are always, “spot on.” 🙂
            I literally “know Jack :)” and I know he appreciates your Barnabas encouragement as do I. Thank you.

            I ran into this tonight from while looking into another topic and question.
            http://so4j.com/false-teachers/

            Greetings tonight Doug.

          • Doug Barron

            I guess that the phrase is a fit! I do love it!
            It is great to find a compatriot. I usually only find adversaries and outright hatred.
            I appreciate your painstaking research and broadcast of truth.
            I look forward to seeing more of your posts!
            Shalom!

          • NathansFather

            Part 1

            Thank you Doug. However I hasten to add I claim no prophetic powers. I stick as faithfully as possible to The Gospel with the leading of The Holy Spirit. I grow in knowledge each day.

            I carefully consider before I post as do you.
            We post to the Glory of GOD or we don’t post at all.
            We are held to a higher standard.
            When we claim to be Christians we must know we are in danger of misrepresenting Our Savior.

            People must realize that we are held accountable for everything that comes out of our mouths (in this case, fingers).
            People also need to realize there is no anonymity in posting anywhere on the Net or even their emails. All can be revealed.

          • NathansFather

            As with any new teaching we are exposed to, we need to be like the Bereans of Acts 17:11: “And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul’s message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to check up on Paul and Silas, to see if they were really teaching the truth.”

            King James Version of Acts 17:11 (blue gear pulldown menu check all except the last box. This will give you the Koine Greek Original Lexicon for “noble.” It means HUMBLE not pride-filled in speech and demeanor.
            http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/acts/17-11.html
            11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily*, whether those things were so.

          • NathansFather

            Part 2

            In our resident PUD/D|ck’s case and his growing storm troopers one cannot threaten mayhem without being called out and reported.
            Civil discourse at all times should be all of our goals.
            We are held accountable whether we believe in GOD or not.
            Consequences!
            GOD is no respecter of persons and reads all hearts.

            Jack and I are very close. What a GOD send he has been to me … my brother, mentor, and dear friend.

            Keep posting Doug!

          • janusee

            who is ‘jack’?

          • NathansFather

            Pastor Jack Wellman. Writer of Christian Crier. Is this a trick question :)?

  • Doug Barron

    Fascinating!
    Will the two witnesses of Revelation prophesy?

    • pud

      No it isn’t. It’s infantile, delusional and absurd.

    • Jack Wellman

      That, I do not know sir. I am a pan-millenialist…I just know it will all pan out in the end.

      • Doug Barron

        Your reply is wry!

      • pud

        No, You KNOW nothing…you BELIEVE absurd, ridiculous, made up rubbish and you shrink from reality and the truth. You’re credulous, gullible, incapable of critical rational thought and you make your living lying to children and peddling your guilt and shame ridden superstition to other gullible irrational fearful fools

      • NathansFather

        * pan-millenialist *
        Mee too Jack. We are Covenant Christians and not ultra-dispensationists.
        Dispensationalism began in the 1800s pushed by Darby and Scofield.
        It is a dangerous false practice that leads so many astray.

        Greetings brother. Beautiful day God has made 🙂

  • NathansFather
    • pud

      You’re a lunatic

  • NathansFather

    Jude 1 – Judgment on False Teachers

    3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our (A)common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you (B)to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

    Cross references:

    Jude 1:3 : Titus 1:4
    Jude 1:3 : 1 Tim. 6:12; 2 Tim. 4:7; [Luke 13:24; 1 Cor. 9:25; Phil. 1:27]

  • Tee Eef

    @pud you are the one who is a lunatic I don’t think you are a Christian in the first place. If you can’t understand what is being discussed here I don’t think you deserve to be on this platform. A devil worshiper, a Satanist,

    It’s is a waste of time to urge with a fool like you, otherwise people might not notice the difference. I don’t think you are on this platform for
    constructive deliberations, it’s seems you rebuke and attack almost everyone and at the same time there is virtually nothing you are contributing. You may be a child of a bitch.

    “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”

    You are a waste SHAME! SHAME! SHAME SHAME! SHAME! SHAME SHAME! SHAME! SHAME SHAME! SHAME! SHAME SHAME! SHAME! SHAME SHAME! SHAME! SHAME

    We are talking about Christianity and you mind goes to Voodoo that’s where you belong. What does Voodoo got to do with Christianity here.

    I really feel sorry for you my dear; get delivered before it is too late. If you are Human and there is Humanity in you sure seek Jesus; is the
    only person who can help you. It’s seems you are possessed by the evil spirits because the way you manifest is really weird and unbelievable.
    The way you behave you really shouldn’t be on the platform and forum. YOU ARE INSANE!!!!!

    I PRAY, MAY JESUS HELP YOU

    • Well, your vitriol won’t bring anyone to Christ. It is likely to lead to more atheists. So well done for setting the groundwork for the encouragement of atheism.

    • NathansFather

      Part 1

      You may not know yet T.E … read The PUD Manifesto.
      The Evangelical Pulpit: Christ is Truth, and we pursue Him. Is Stephen Paddock in Hell?
      http://www.patheos.com/blogs/evangelicalpulpit/2017/10/stephen-paddock-hell/

      PUD to Karla Marie Robinett
      “… Sure…just as soon as you deranged lunatics learn to keep your insane cult to yourself, disappear into the dustbin of history like all the other “god” cults have and you stop lying to children. Until that day comes I will never be silent. You are my enemies and I wish to see you vanquished and vanished …”

    • NathansFather

      Part 2
      Do not answer this horrible entity. You only feed ITs viciousness.
      I block IT.
      Even its moniker suggests what kind of sick being IT is.
      The meaning of PUD
      The on line slang dictionary
      http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/pud
      The Free Medical Dictionary
      http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/PUD

  • NathansFather

    If someone calls themselves a prophet they are not a prophet. Prophecy stopped with the early church and even then was up to dispute. Many false prophets sprung up as Saint Paul told us along with Jude. Both of these saints to Saints railed against anyone messing with the very simple Gospel of the Cross. Does GOD still speak with us today? Of course so through the Holy Spirit’s guidance found when reading the Word with His exegesis. I see miracles great and small every day. I do not believe in coincidence. Our Pastor calls this connecting the dots.

    • If prophecy stopped with the early church, then the so-called Zimbabwean prophet is false.

      • NathansFather

        🙂 Good conclusion.

        Actually prophesy stopped at the end of the writing of Revelation by the Alpha and Omega.
        He has told us all things for us to believe.

        Oh I have temporarily unblocked you. As long as you write reasonably I can respond. If you get into name calling again it’s mark and block. I do not carry on with uncivil discourse be it from atheists, agnostics, and perhaps the lost of all the apostates. I only post what I have been lead by exegesis.

        When I am wrong I apologize and correct the record.
        It’s The “Christian” Way 🙂 Not the humanist way.

        The only good ever done is the Work of the Holy Spirit.
        When left to our imaginings we are flawed and proud as “little gods.”

  • NathansFather

    Shepherds & Prophets who mislead their flocks
    “Were they ashamed…? No! They were not at all ashamed; nor did they know how to blush.” Jer. 6:14-15
    http://www.crossroad.to/HisWord/verses/topics/false-prophets.htm

    Excerpts from Discernment in an Age of Deception: Defining the Believer’s Biblical Call to Judge
    by Pastor Bob DeWaay, June 2006
    http://www.crossroad.to/heaven/Excerpts/biblical-teaching/DeWaay/discernment.htm

    Teachers who mislead the flock
    http://www.crossroad.to/HisWord/verses/topics/false-teachers.htm

  • NathansFather

    Who is …
    Our Shepherd and His sheep?
    http://www.crossroad.to/HisWord/verses/topics/shepherd.htm

  • There is no prophecy. No evidence of it. It’s make believe. End of story.

  • NathansFather

    On new age apostasy I find this group and their newsletter highly informative.
    Lighthouse Trails Research
    http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/

    • Have a good look at this so-called Zimbabwean prophet!

      • NathansFather

        I intend to. I have much on my plate today. One being serving my beloved with his challenges this week. 🙂

  • With compassion, healing -mercy and loving-kindness as your guide, you don’t need to listen to so-called “prophets”

  • NathansFather

    Part 1

    How does the leading of the Holy Spirit work? When two of more differing sources come to you in a short interval of time on the same study topic it is from the Holy Spirit’s flow! Surprise what reached me today for my Berean methology consideration? I smile! Oh how much joy this is to be in His hand each day! No dominion force of evil nor man can ever snatch me from His Holy Hand. Praise the Lord! To GOD be all the Glory. Amen!

    1, ESV Verse of the Day – Bible Study Tools
    Saturday, October 21
    http://www.biblestudytools.com/
    Deuteronomy 28:9
    9 The LORD will establish you as a people holy to himself, as he has sworn to you, if you keep the commandments of the LORD your God and walk in his ways.
    Deuteronomy ch. 7:6; 26:18, 19; 29:13; Exodus. 19:5, 6

  • NathansFather

    Part 2 Connecting the dots and The Flow…….

    2. Faith Life Image ESV Verse of the Day
    Saturday, October 21
    https://bible.faithlife.com/verseoftheday/image/Ps119.90-91
    Psalm 119:90-91
    90 Your faithfulness endures to all generations; you have established the earth, and it stands fast.
    91 By your appointment they stand this day, for all things are your servants.
    Psalm 36:5; Psalm 148:6; Ecclesiastes 1:4; Jeremiah 33:25

    3. Bible Gateway ESV Verse of the Day
    Saturday, October 21
    Psalm 40:8 English Standard Version (ESV)
    8 I delight to do your will, O my God; your law is within my heart.”
    Psalm 119:16, 24, 35, 92; [John 4:34] See Psalm 37:31

  • NathansFather

    Just ran into this… Our Cumberland Presbyterian local church is about to embark on the last book of the Bible, Revelation for intense study. I will NOT be talking but will be listening intently. Our Pastor is terrific and his theology sound. My husband an elder will be there also learning. I take absolutely seriously the warning not to alter Revelation in any way through addition or subtraction. I do NOT comment on the direct prose of the Book whatsoever.

    I have been fascinated for a very long time now when I was born from above and read Revelation the first time about the post-Apostolic first and second century Bride Church of The Way. I found my first mentor, Berit Kjos as I was exploring just who this holy “angel of the Church of Smyrna” was… Saint Polycarp. She has a page on Saint Polycarp. I highly suggest all who call themselves Christian explore just why The Alpha and Omega highly praised this Bishop and the Smyrna Church. Another church to study is the Church of Philadelphia.

    By the fourth century the influence of Constantine rears its ugly head and has proliferated ever since apostasy that appears to be growing at an accelerating rate as times are waxing worse. What seems to be good is evil and what is evil seems to be good.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/evangelicalpulpit/2017/05/early-jesus-followers-hodgepodge-competing-christianities-rethinking-popular-thesis/

    Early Jesus-followers as a Hodgepodge of Competing Christianities: Rethinking a Popular Thesis

  • NathansFather

    If you keep up your posting John which appears to be civil once again from the snippets I can see below the article before accessing it I may just unblock you again. 🙂 Siding with PUDinsky is not wise. I hope you have figured this out by now. He is NOT kind or gentle as you claim you are.

    It is NOT kind to leave anyone in a state of brokenness without offering a loving hand. Sometimes this care for another comes in the form of a good ole fashioned grabbing another by the shoulders and shaking him/her and say WAKE UP!

    I hope you read me without name calling. I am hitting many of the major points that a skeptic may make. I still wonder what caused you to turn from The Faith? Must have been monumental indeed.

    I suggest you refine your studies to the First and Second Century Bride Church of The Way, Truth, and Life. You may just find your way home (or not).

    Jack, Monty, Doug, and I have no impact on you nor should we. It’s all up to you, John, do you hear the Holy Spirit’s call that God the Father is lovingly supplying you? I pray you do someday soon. Life is short John and none of us guaranteed our next breath. When we expire it is too late to run to Jesus Iesous Y’shua.

    Best regards, RB

  • NathansFather

    eBible offering for today, Friday, October 21.
    Isn’t this amazing??? The Holy Spirit leading so exciting! See how the dots are being connected today? Guess what??? This happens everyday for people who intensely study God’s Word. The Truth is there! Seek and you will find it in all its pure Glory!

    One comment on the first respondent… he does have one theological flaw. He is a dispensationalist. Otherwise I have found him to be excellent in scholarship. The Left Behinders “secret rapturists” are a very dangerous lot indeed when using one Scripture and twisted it to build a whole philosophy ala Darby, Scofield, and E.W. Bullinger did. It does not square at all with the First and Second Bride Church of The Way.

    How important is Christian conduct to how the unbelieving world sees Christ?
    https://ebible.com/questions/519-how-important-is-christian-conduct-to-how-the-unbelieving-world-sees-christ

  • NathansFather

    Answer me this please John. I can dialogue with you further. Otherwise I will not answer any further to your posts. Sorry. Fair is fair. I have opened up to you now it’s your turn!

    *** I still wonder what caused John to turn from The Faith? Must have been monumental indeed. *** Please explain.

    • Who are you? God? I don’t have to explain to anyone why I changed my theological views. I am an atheist who is a humanist, inspired by the story of Jesus of Nazareth (The human Jesus, not the divine Jesus that the church changed him into).

  • NathansFather

    Read of the First and Second Century Churches.
    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com
    Early Christian Fathers – Christian Classics Ethereal Library
    http://www.ccel.org/ccel/richardson/fathers

    Particularly about Saint Polycarp (the last Named saint to Saint by the Alpha and Omega in Revelation.)
    The Martyrdom of Saint Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna, as Told in the Letter of the Church of Smyrna to the Church of Philomelium
    http://www.ccel.org/ccel/richardson/fathers.vii.i.iii.html

    Polycarp was the direct student of Saint John appointed by The Alpha and Omega.
    Polycarp, through reading his writings and letters indeed one can be assured he knew personally other Apostles also.
    Early Christian Writings
    St. Polycarp of Smyrna
    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/polycarp.html

  • NathansFather

    I highly recommend this article I just ran into that will hopefully explain to our humanists just what they are missing regarding love. Humans in no way approach the Glory of GOD in all of His Attributes.

    You Can’t Love God and Not Love People
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankviola/lovinggod/

    • Well you have difficulty loving people. A Fundamentalist Christian love that is judgemental, self-righteous, and assigns people to hell doesn’t love those that its supporters disagree with. Please note, that none of my opposition is to progressive and liberal forms of Christianity nor compassionate forms of evangelicalism which are more Christlike than Fundamentalism can ever be.

  • NathansFather

    Look for ” Lesser Known Facts About UFIC ”
    https://www.duckduckgo.com

  • janusee

    Christ foretold that we can do “… even greater works.”.

    • Jack Wellman

      Greater works and there still being prophets are two different subject. Please read this: https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/doing-the-works-of-jesus-and-greater-works

      • janusee

        No, they are not two entirely different subjects. Certainly not to the many of us who have hearts and minds fully open to Christ’s wisdom and love.

        • Jack Wellman

          What is greater…having someone healed who will die again or being used by God as a means to save someone who then trusts in Christ and shall never die again. Even faith healers die. So what is greater…temporary healing or eternal life? No brainer, isn’t it?

      • NathansFather

        John Piper of Desiring GOD is a rock solid source.
        Glad you pointed that out Jack.

    • What do you mean by “…greater works”?

      • janusee

        i believe we can only ask the living spirit of christ that.

  • NathansFather

    Radicals include “social democrats” “marxists” “progressive democrats” “the third way”, “communists”, “socialists”, “humanitarians”, and “communtarians “, etc. are the same group united around the false god called many names but it the same entity the fallen false angel of light. Their universal religion is illuminati whose united worshippers are their father of liars, thieves, and murders of lucifer. Atheists, agnostics, and apostates whatever label they choose worship lucifer by default whether they know it or not. Lucifer has convinced some of them he does not exist. One of their false prophets is Saul Alinsky who directly worshipped satan aka lucifer.
    See:
    Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky
    http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

    “… Opening page – Dedication
    “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history… the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer…”

    • You have a very warped view of what a radical is. Social democrats are not radicals. They accept the capitalist system but see some role for the state. The believe in capitalism with a human face.

  • Part 1

    John, Research Berean will not read you nor answer your posts. Research Berean has much work to do until she draws her last breath. She does research for many.

    You perceive yourself as a little god.
    You bought into the beguiling of the snake in the Garden. The snake calling GOD, I AM a liar. When indeed the snake lied to Adam and Eve and told them “yea shall be like gods.” You are your own little god and anyone else you manage to deceive. You do not speak the truth and are therefore by default a worshipper of lucifer and are a luciferian whether you believe satan/lucifer/father of liars, thieves, and murderers exist. You are the child killer of souls, you and your ilk such as PUD and his PUDites of which you are one. Berean Research, Research Berean, and Acts _17_11 all have blocked you. Give it up. A

    All you can quote are atheists, agnostics, and apostates who too have bought into the liar of all HATRED… the evil one who goes by many names.

    I pity you and will pray for you that I AM confronts you if it be His will. Now bully enough of your lies and self-deception. You will NOT fool the followers, the children of the Living GOD and manage to kill Jesus Iesous Y’shua in our hearts. Give it up. You are wasting what little time you have living physically on this earth until you draw your last breath. Thank you for blessing me and others who know The Truth. We can refute your prideful posts with no problem with Scripture in context of the Whole Truth of the Old and New Testament of the Bible. I AM the author of all.

    Stop hating GOD! I AM will not be mocked! It will not bode you well after you draw your last breath. All haters are fools of their own prideful making. The Gospel of Love is not in you. It is not too late. But when is your last physical breath? Your next keystroke?

    • You are the one who hates the God of compassion, healing mercy and loving kindness, not me.

    • So you are research Berean under the title Acts-17-11, are you? If so, why are you still answering me, if you say that you have blocked me?

    • You posted this vitriol yesterday under the moniker “Research Berean”. Do you write anonymously so no one can uncover who you really are? You feel free to sprout your views of your violent god and show your hate because you think that you won’t be discovered.

    • Well, your rant will bring no one to Jesus! But hey, you are doing a great job in turning Christians into atheists by your vitriol. Keep up the vitriol! Keep up your gospel of hate which masquerades as love! Well done Acts-17-11!

  • Part 2
    What is Satanism?
    https://ebible.com/questions/1694-what-is-satanism
    Dusting my sandals.
    The Christian Crier: Top 7 Bible Verses About Bullying And Dealing With Bullies
    by Pastor Jack Wellman, Patheos and Telling Ministries, my brother in Christ, mentor, and Biblical Christian man.
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2016/05/23/top-7-bible-verses-about-bullying-and-dealing-with-bullies/
    Primary Verses:
    Luke 6:27-28
    Romans 12:18-19
    Psalm 138:7
    Ephesians 6:12
    Leviticus 19:18
    Romans 12:20-21

  • Marked and blocked for harassment, John Arthur.
    Give it up.
    There is no love in your heart as long as you deny I AM.
    Your heart is cold and full of hate as you perceive yourself a god.
    Sad.
    You follow satan pure and simple who is hatred.

    • Judgmentalism, pure and simple on your part. It’s pure Pharisaicalism. And if you have blocked me, why are you continuing to have a conversation with me?

    • So there is no love in the heart of kind and compassionate Buddhists, kind Muslims,or Hindus . They deny I AM. So you think their heart is cold and full of hate. What nonsense you write! Didn’t Jesus love his enemies? You seem to consider all who deny I AM enemies of God. God loves his enemies. So why don’t you?

      You seem to think that Progressive and Liberal Christians are apostates and deny your version of I AM. Are their hearts full of hatred? Are their hearts cold? Do they perceive themselves to be “little gods”. What arrogance on your part!

      If Jesus of Nazareth in Galilee, in his humanity, shows us what God (if he exists) is like, then wasn’t this Jesus a friend of outcasts and “sinners”? Didn’t this Jesus stoop down to lift up the poor, the marginalised, the oppressed, and the broken victims of Pharisaical religious oppression? Didn’t this Jesus cross purity boundaries? Didn’t this Jesus heal the broken hearted? If Jesus shows us what the character of God is like, doesn’t this mean that God is love? Isn’t God a being (if he exists) who demonstrates unconditional, others-centred, self-giving, community-forming, life-affirming compassion, healing-mercy and loving kindness? Of course, you see this as apostasy, because your view of God is violent.

  • Something so illogical!
    An atheist who says he believes in a god of love.
    The very definition of atheist is one who believes in no god.
    So much for logic!
    Sheesh…. So lost in pride.
    Sad.
    Very, very sad indeed!

    • Research Berean or Acts-17-11,

      You deliberately mislead . I am an atheist. You got that part right. I did not say that I believe in a God of love. What I said was this: If god exists, then I believe that he is a God of compassion, healing mercy and loving kindness. Notice I said IF. So there is nothing illogical in that. But your misrepresentation of what I said is illogical You need to do some courses in critical reasoning.

      Then you attribute the motive of pride to me based on your erroneous interpretation of what I believe. It seems like you think that you are God (if he exists) and that you are doing the judgment. Why don’t you have a look at the mote that is in your own eye first, before trying to take the splinter out of the eyes of others?

  • Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

    Psalm 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    • “They are corrupt, they have done abominable works…”

      This is a false description of atheists. Atheists believe in one less god than you do. They vary in their philosophies. Some atheists might do abominable works, but so have some Christians e.g. Christians burning so-called witches at the stake. You quote the barbaric and ignorant bullybull and think that God said it. Just observe people and see how wrong you are. Get to know atheists and observe their behaviour. There are good and kind people in all walks of life, just as there are evil people. Notice the ugly words of the bullybull. “They are altogether become filthy…”

      You have a tendency to quote the hateful and spiteful words of ancient bronze and iron age savages, then attribute their words to God.

  • ESV Verse of the Day – Faith Life Image for 10/25
    Romans 5:5English Standard Version (ESV)
    5 and (A)hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love (B)has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
    Cross references:
    Romans 5:5 : Ps. 119:116; Phil. 1:20
    Romans 5:5 : Acts 2:17, 18, 33; Titus 3:6; [Gal. 4:6]

  • English Standard Version (ESV) – Bible Study Tools for 10/25

    Galatians 5:24
    24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus (A)have crucified the flesh with its (B)passions and desires.
    Cross references:
    Galatians 5:24 : [ver. 16]; See Rom. 6:6
    Galatians 5:24 : Rom. 7:5

  • NOTE: GOD the Father of the Old Testament and the New as well as Lord Jesus Christ, GOD the Son of the Old and New Testament
    NOTE: The Holy Spirit’s flow of 3 verses given on the same subject from 3 different sources close or on the same linear time day.

    This is the work of the Holy Spirit, GOD. The GOD of the beginning and the end. Genesis “We” and the Alpha and Omega of Revelation on the Mercy Throne for followers of The Way, Truth, and Life for the award of Heaven. The Throne of Judgment for all disbelievers of the Trinity who will dwell to the left of The Throne with the goats.

    Ephesians 5:19-20 English Standard Version (ESV) Bible Gateway for 10/25
    19 addressing one another in (A)psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, 20 (B)giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father (C)in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Cross references:
    Ephesians 5:19 : Acts 16:25; 1 Cor. 14:26; Col. 3:16; James 5:13
    Ephesians 5:20 : Col. 3:17; 1 Thess. 1:2; 2 Thess. 1:3
    Ephesians 5:20 : Heb. 13:15; [John 14:13]

  • NathansFather

    Part 1

    Why is it important for Christians to be aware of the evil in the world?
    See eBible Questions of the Day for 10/27.

    Do we need to be aware of the spiritual battle that is taking place around us?
    https://ebible.com/questions/2127-do-we-need-to-be-aware-of-the-spiritual-battle-that-is-taking-place-around-us/

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    Part 2

    What is spiritual blindness?
    [Denial of Atheists, Agnostics, and Apostates – Scoffers and mockers of the One True God that saves us from the just penalty of our sins by the work of The Cross of Jesus Iesous Y’shua.
    https://ebible.com/questions/2128-what-is-spiritual-blindness

    “… To be spiritually blind is not to see Christ, and not to see Christ is not to see God (Colossians 1:15-16; 2 Corinthians 4:6). Spiritual blindness is a grievous condition experienced by those who do not believe in God, Jesus Christ, and His Word (Romans 2:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:12). Those who reject Christ are the lost (John 6:68-69). Being spiritually blind, they are perishing (2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Revelation 3:17). They choose not to accept the teachings of Christ and His authority in their lives (Matthew 28:18). They are blind to the manifestations of God as revealed throughout His Word and Jesus Christ (John 1:1; Acts 28:26-27). They are described as those who “do not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14)…”

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    Part 3

    [Those who encourage children not to believe in I AM encourage spiritual
    killing of children for eternity. These are the fools of PUDskyites. The wrath of GOD is upon them.]

    Isaiah 47:8-10 English Standard Version (ESV)

    8 Now therefore hear this, (A)you lover of pleasures,
    (B)who sit securely,
    who say in your heart,
    (C)“I am, and there is no one besides me;
    (D)I shall not sit as a widow
    or know the loss of children”:
    9 (E)These two things shall come to you
    in a moment, (F)in one day;
    the loss of children and widowhood
    shall come upon you in full measure,
    (G)in spite of your many sorceries
    and the great power of your enchantments.

    10 You felt secure in your wickedness;
    you said, “No one sees me”;
    your wisdom and your knowledge led you astray,
    and you said in your heart,
    (H)“I am, and there is no one besides me.”

    • You love to throw around the wrath of God, don’t you? Breathe in slowly! Breathe out slowly! This will help to calm you down. Do a loving kindness meditation . You might be surprised at how much your spirit is lifted up. God, if she exists, is Love, not wrath!

    • janusee

      what’s with posting about 50 or more quotes?! who for, who’s going to read all of those now? crazy.

      • NathansFather

        So skip them. 🙂

        Do you have a major malfunction in your machine? Can you not scroll?

        Patience is the beginning of love. I will pray your patience increases in God’s will.

        Some people appreciate complete answers and explanations. I know Pastor Jack (a personal friend and mentor of mine) appreciates my detailed research and quoting the Holy Writ.

        I am a Berean Researcher to explore to see if words are trustworthy and true to match Scripture. Acts 17:11. This is how we are fully approved says Saint Paul to Saint Timothy to rightly divide the Word. Dig deeply and love Scripture says King David.

        You can also opt to read other authors on Patheos if you are so short of patience 🙂

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    Part 4

    Isaiah 47:8-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
    Cross References

    Isaiah 47:8 : [See ver. 7 above]; [ver. 1]
    Isaiah 47:8 : Zeph. 2:15
    Isaiah 47:8 : [ch. 45:6, 18; Jer. 50:29]
    Isaiah 47:8 : Lam. 1:1; [Rev. 18:7]
    Isaiah 47:9 : [ch. 51:19]
    Isaiah 47:9 : [Jer. 50:31]
    Isaiah 47:9 : [ver. 12, 13; Nah. 3:4]
    Isaiah 47:10 : [ch. 45:6, 18; Jer. 50:29]

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    Part 5

    Matthew 11:25 English Standard Version (ESV)

    Come to Me, and I Will Give You Rest
    25 (A)At that time Jesus declared, “I thank you, Father, (B)Lord of heaven and earth, that (C)you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and (D)revealed them to little children;
    Cross references:
    Matthew 11:25 : For ver. 25-27, see Luke 10:21, 22
    Matthew 11:25 : See Acts 17:24
    Matthew 11:25 : Job 37:24; 1 Cor. 1:19-27; 2 Cor. 3:14
    Matthew 11:25 : ch. 21:16; Ps. 8:2; [ch. 13:11; 16:17]

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    Part 6

    Matthew 19:13 English Standard Version (ESV)
    Let the Children Come to Me
    13 (A)Then children were brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and pray. The disciples (B)rebuked the people,
    Cross references:
    Matthew 19:13 : For ver. 13-15, see Mark 10:13-16; Luke 18:15-17
    Matthew 19:13 : Mark 10:48
    Matthew 19:14 English Standard Version (ESV)
    14 but Jesus said, (A)“Let the little children (B)come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.”
    Cross references:
    Matthew 19:14 : ch. 18:3
    Matthew 19:14 : [Mark 9:39]

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    Part 7 Evil people block children

    Matthew 21:15 English Standard Version (ESV)
    15 (A)But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying out in the temple, (B)“Hosanna to the Son of David!” they were indignant,
    Cross references:
    Matthew 21:15 : [Luke 19:39, 40]
    Matthew 21:15 : [See ver. 9 above]; [Rev. 7:10]; See Ps. 118:25 (Heb.)

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    Part 8 – Jesus turns Israel back to GOD the Father.

    Luke 1:16 English Standard Version (ESV)
    16 And he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God,
    Luke 1:17 English Standard Version (ESV)
    17 and (A)he will go before him (B)in the spirit and power of Elijah, (C)to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and (D)the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, (E)to make ready for the Lord a people prepared.”
    Cross references:
    Luke 1:17 : ver. 76; John 3:28
    Luke 1:17 : See Matt. 11:14
    Luke 1:17 : Cited from Mal. 4:6
    Luke 1:17 : Rom. 10:21
    Luke 1:17 : ch. 7:27; Mal. 3:1; Matt. 11:10; Mark 1:2

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    Part 9 [GOD the Son and GOD the Father values children and grant them grace]

    Luke 10:21 English Standard Version (ESV)
    Jesus Rejoices in the Father’s Will
    21 (A)In that same hour (B)he rejoiced (C)in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, (D)Lord of heaven and earth, that (E)you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and (F)revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for (G)such was your gracious will.[a]
    Footnotes:
    Luke 10:21 Or for so it pleased you well
    Cross references:
    Luke 10:21 : For ver. 21, 22, see Matt. 11:25-27
    Luke 10:21 : [Isa. 53:11]
    Luke 10:21 : [Mark 12:36]
    Luke 10:21 : See Acts 17:24
    Luke 10:21 : Job 37:24; 1 Cor. 1:19-27; 2 Cor. 3:14
    Luke 10:21 : Ps. 8:2; Matt. 21:16; [ch. 8:10; Matt. 16:17]
    Luke 10:21 : [ch. 12:32]

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    Part 10

    [Jesus offers followers grace so that they will be children of GOD. By now with all of these verses it should be apparent that GOD wants children to come to Him and award the parents with many blessings. Those who mislead children will be responsible for children to turn away and be denied eternal life.]
    [Correct those who seek to harm children! This is part of the Holy mission of the Great Commission to come to the Way, Truth, and Life. Those who work in the field of low hanging fruit will be awarded double. Those who cause someone to stumble will be twice cursed.]

    John 1:12 English Standard Version (ESV)
    12 But to all who did receive him, (A)who believed in his name, (B)he gave the right (C)to become (D)children of God,
    Cross references:
    John 1:12 : See 1 John 5:13John 1:12 : 1 John 5:1
    John 1:12 : 1 John 3:1; [Matt. 5:45]
    John 1:12 : [Gal. 3:26]; See ch. 11:52

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    Part 1

    What does Patheos say about posting? Who should be moderated or banned such as the abusers?
    i.e. PUDs and others who personally attack using tactics against civil discourse.

    *** The below says different faiths it does not say the faithless. ***
    *** Writers of articles may indeed ban members or block them. ***
    *** Threats upon persons meant to harm should not be tolerated (such as the i.e. PUD Manifesto ***]

    Member Terms of Use:
    http://www.patheos.com/terms-of-use.aspx

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    Part 2

    What everyone agrees to who posts comments on Patheos blogs, to:

    *** RULES OF CONDUCT ***
    “… As part of the Patheos community, you will be participating in a new dialogue about some of the most important topics in the world. And that new dialogue is:
    A. Respectful and Elevated. Here we seek to better understand each other.
    That requires us to engage courteously and respectfully, even when we are engaging with someone with whom we fundamentally disagree.
    B. Open, yet Safe. Anyone who desires to be part of the conversation can engage, but *** abuse will not be tolerated. ***
    C.Honest and Real. At Patheos, we will often honestly express differences. And some of those differences, when it comes to *** different faiths, *** will seem false o r even dangerous to you.
    By using the Site in any way, you agree to the following:
    A.You understand that all Member Content, whether publicly posted or privately transmitted, is the sole responsibility of the member from whom such Member Content originated. This means that you, and not Patheos, are entirely responsible for all Member Content that you upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available via Patheos…”
    Read more at http://www.patheos.com/terms-of-use?p=1#KTKwr2dt723qTKwV.99

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    Discerning Of Spirits Bible verses in the King James Version (KJV) about Discerning Of Spirits.
    https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Discerning-Of-Spirits/

    What Does the Bible Say About Discerning Of Spirits?
    Bible verses about Discerning Of Spirits. … They know not, nor do they discern, for he has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see, and their hearts, …
    https://www.openbible.info/topics/discerning_of_spirits

    Discerning the Spirits – BibleGateway.com
    Discerning the Spirits. … The assertions about victory in verse 4 have … We may suggest three guidelines as to how we can test the Spirits with discernment, …
    https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries

    What does the Bible say about discernment? … The Spirit,
    then, gives us spiritual discernment. … Verse of the Week.
    https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-discernment.html

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    God loves children (Atheist claim God is evil and wants to harm children.)
    Read the Truth.

    Children Are a Gift From God – Bible Verses
    https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/children-are-a-gift-from-god-bible-verses/

    Children Bible Verses
    https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/children-bible-verses/

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    Part 3 How to report and block.
    Scroll over to upper-right hand of offensive comment.
    Pulldown. Pick one of the following —

    Not allowed on Disqus:

    – Targeted harassment or encouraging others to do so
    – Spam
    – Impersonation
    – Direct threat of harm
    – Posting personally identifiable information
    – Inappropriate profile content
    – Targeted harassment or encouraging others to do so

  • Writing to myself?
    Nah.
    Many people learn much from my posts and positive attitudes.
    We are assembled here to learn from Jack and the contributors who follow The Way, Truth, and Life.
    I am a very detailed researcher …. Berean by methodology.
    Jack appreciates my comments and resources I bring to Christian Crier.
    We need no sceptics who seek to kill Jesus in us.
    Fruitless!
    We will not be swayed.