The Infinite Power Of Love

The Infinite Power Of Love February 1, 2019

Love is more than a feeling…it is a verb, and it is the most powerful of all human emotions.

Love is a Verb

Love is not just a greeting card or saying “I love you.” Love is a verb. It is what you do. The greatest display of love ever shown was at the cross (1 John 3:16), as God loved us first (1 John 4:19); we who were still ungodly, wicked enemies of His (Rom 5:6-10). God made the first move (John 6:44) and God made the final move (John 3:16). Love was no better displayed for all time than in the way Jesus came to give His life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). Jesus prayed three times to have the cup of Calvary removed, but knew that He must do the will of His Father in heaven. This was the only way (Acts 4:12), so He did it, despite the detestible cup of abominations that He was to drink. He drank from the dregs of sinful, human depravity, so He took upon Himself the sins of our flesh so that He might save those out of the flesh. Before, during, and after the cross, God’s love was the motivating factor behind it all. This was love in action, so as you can see, love is a verb. It is what you do, not so much what you say. Loving God and loving others is more than a feeling…it is a sacrificial response (Matt 25:35-36) that is supernaturally infused by the Spirit of God.

Love’s Potent Power

Not long after Romania’s brutal dictatorship was brought down (in 1989), researchers started looking at the orphanages. There were thousands and thousands of orphans left over from the thousands and thousands of Romanians who were imprisoned, brutally tortured, or murdered. The number of orphans vastly outstripped the number of parents by the almost 100,000. The toddlers were so desperate that they’d resort to doing anything to get someone to come and show them some attention. Other children rocked back in forth incessantly as if in another world, most were unable to communicate, and most of these children resisted being held. They weren’t used to it. When they were held for changing or feeding or bathing, they squirm and try to get loose, but strangely, once they were freed, they’d reach back for the one who held them. Sadly, one-on-one attention was just not possible. There were just too many orphans and not enough workers. These children were craving attention as if they were addicted to a drug, but it was love that they needed. They craved attention, time, interaction, cuddling, talking, and all the other things we took for granted in our childhood, so here were thousands of children who were developmentally disabled, with little or no hope of a productive or happy future, and all because they had been left to themselves. We know that “a child left to himself brings shame to his mother” (Prov 29:15). Neglected children are hurt in ways we can’t even comprehend, so it wasn’t from a disability that these children suffered, but from the circumstances of being in isolation, and with precious little human contact. They were withering away because they had been neglected the love that every child needs. Love is essential to our survival, or at least a normal, functioning one.

Verses about Love

The Bible speaks about human, brotherly, and godly love, although there are more ways to love than just these three, but we know that love is greater than anything, even the spiritual gifts we have (1 Cor 13:13). The love of God is on an infinitely higher plain, because God’s love was displayed in “that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). “God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (Rom 5:6), and “Who shall separate us from the love of Christ” (Rom 8:35a)? The answer is, no one or nothing can ever separate the child of God from God once they’ve trusted in Christ (Rom 8:38-39).

Brotherly Love

We are to love our brothers and sisters. For example, a friend who truly loves us doesn’t bail out the moment things get difficult because a real “friend loves at all times, and a brother is born for adversity” (Prov 17:17). This means we are to “Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor” (Rom 12:10). If you say you love God but don’t show it to your brother or sister, God says you are a liar! The Apostle John says, “If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen” (1 John 4:20). Every child of God knows “that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers. Whoever does not love abides in death” (1 John 3:14), and love shows up in things like, it “bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things” (1 Cor 13:7). God admonishes us all to “Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you” (Eph 4:32). The point to all this is to “keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins” (1 Pet 4:8). Jesus shows us just how radical this godly love is, shocking His audience by saying, we are to “Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you” (Luke 6:27-28). How can we love an enemy who hates us, curses us, and does bad things to us? Only through Christ can we do this (Phil 4:13). God did not give us what we deserve (His wrath); He gave us what we needed (His mercy and grace), so neither should we give people what they deserve…but what they need…and that is love.

Conclusion

People won’t know we’re Jesus’ disciples by our memorizing Scripture, winning a debate, or having perfect church attendance. People will know we are His disciples by our love for one another (John 13:34-35). This is how “all men” and woman will know who Jesus’ disciples are…but conversely, who they are not (1 John 4:19). Love wins the day…and wins souls to Christ. God can use our love for others as a means to save some. Yes, God alone saves, but what a privilege to be used by God as a means to save those whom He has chosen. I love to share Christ because I love others. That means I am willing to endure name-calling, derogatory remarks, crude talk, and even being labeled a maniac. That’s fine with me. I pray for everyone I come in contact with, regardless of what they say too or say about me. I can take a blessing or too for being insulted for His names’ sake (Matt 5:10-12). What about you? “If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you” (1 Pet 4:13). Because God first loved us, we also ought to love others first; regardless of whether they believe or not. Remember, we too were once unbelievers (1 Cor 6:11), but God still loved us first! Let us make the first move and love others so that perhaps they might know Christ, and Him crucified.

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • Matthew 22:37

    God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:8

    “When we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son.”

    • pud

      No it isn’t “glorious” It is sick, perverted, absurd, ridiculous, irrational, evil and patently false. It is a story from a wicked dysfunctional delusional book. A superstitious mythology from the Bronze Age what only lunatics could embrace. It is wholly immoral, unjust, ludicrous and demonstrable FALSE from the first word to the last. Only crazy people sign up for any religious cult.

      • Matthew 22:37

        Really? Is that why so many atheists like Jim Jones ran cults and Mao and Stalin ran cults of personality? Because they are sick in their heads?

        You keep overlooking the sin that some people feed in their hearts and others willfully ignore until it controls their actions.

        There is no end to greed you know. There is only the Fruit of the Spirit that God graces His children with and one of them is self control.

        How can you be content being greedy? You will never be satisfied and always want more.

        I am sorry that you allow yourself to be spiritually blocked. But I guess that was your personal decision to serve your own heart motive rather than believe God.

        Some people have the humility to admit they aren’t perfect and that mankind needs a whole new nature.

        Think about it.

        Raging at people doesn’t change the fact that human nature isn’t perfect. Of course, some people are willing to allow Jesus to change, correct and improve them but that takes faith, love, humility, obedience and patience. Things that not all people have.

        I would be asking for the gift of faith in my prayers if I were you.

        Otherwise you are passing judgment on things you don’t even know.

        Think about it.

        Really are you so deluded that you think people will respond positively to your contempt?

        Try inspecting your own life and examining all the bad apples and atheist crimes for a change.
        Atheists don’t sit on a pedestal above theists no matter how many delude themselves into thinking they do.

        If you think you are superior then you give yourself permission to disrespect people, order them around, even try to control them and kill them on whim if you please. That’s what atheist Stalin did.

        But Stalin never proved by his actions that he was superior to anybody. Just the opposite. He just got away with his antics because he managed to secure power.

        Like I said think about it. Atheism has it’s bad apples. So you atheists are sinners, too.

        • pud

          Why would or should anyone “believe” in any invisible undetectable story book character? Only a lunatic would willing sacrifice his critical thinking skills to “believe” anything that is completely devoid of actual evidence.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Well here’s some evidence of your atheist cult. It’s a quote with FACTS.

            You could be easily duped as an atheist. A Satanist could be in an atheist group encouraging you to behave badly pretending to be an atheist. But you wouldn’t know. You don’t care about human behavior only scoring shallow debate points to validate your own ego.

            quote:

            Temple of Reason

            A Republican inscription on a former church: “Temple of the reason and philosophy”
            A Temple of Reason (French: Temple de la Raison) was, during the French Revolution, a temple for a new belief system created to replace Christianity: the Cult of Reason, which was based on the ideals of reason, virtue, and liberty. This “religion” was supposed to be universal and to spread the ideas of the revolution, summarized in its “Liberté, égalité, fraternité” motto, which was also inscribed on the Temples. Within the Temple of Reason, “atheism was enthroned”.[1][2] English theologian Thomas Hartwell Horne and biblical scholar Samuel Davidson write that “churches were converted into ‘temples of reason,’ in which atheistical and licentious homilies were substituted for the proscribed service”.[3]

            The symbols of Christianity were covered up and they were replaced by the symbols of the Cult of Reason. In the Churches of Reason, there were specially created services that were meant to replace the Christian liturgy.[4]

            Feast of Reason, the Notre-Dame
            For instance, at the Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris, on November 10, 1793, a special ritual was held for the “Feast of Reason”: the nave had an improvised mountain on which stood a Greek temple dedicated to Philosophy and decorated with busts of philosophers. At the base of the mountain was located an altar dedicated to Reason, in front of which was located a torch of Truth. The ceremony included the crowd paying homage to an actress dressed in blue, white, red (the colours of the Republic), personifying the Goddess of Liberty.[4]

            Churches transformed into Temples of Reason

            After Catholicism was banned in 1792, many of its churches were turned into Temples of Reason, including:

            the Notre-Dame de Paris Cathedral (November 10, 1793)
            the Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Chartres,
            Église Saint-Sulpice, Paris
            Église Saint-Paul-Saint-Louis
            the basilique Saint-Denis,
            the church of Les Invalides,
            the church of Thomas d’Aquino,
            the Panthéon de Paris,
            the church Saint Pierre from Montmartre,
            the Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Reims,
            the Cathédrale Saint-Pierre-et-Saint-Paul de Troyes,
            the Notre Dame de Versailles Church,
            Église Saint-Pierre de Caen,
            and many others

          • Matthew 22:37

            No point in discussing with you. You have already admitted to holding believers in contempt and believe that you can disrespect them.

            But to a biblically literate Christian that indicates that your conscience is seared and that you are under reprobation just as the Bible tells of.

            I don’t know how you can call God false when you just validated what He says about some people being reprobates.

            Antisocial personalities display a lack of empathy and conscience and an antisocial person could be a reprobate.

            Why would I want to learn from a reprobate disseminating his confused thinking?

            You are a sinner that let your sin rule you that’s all. Some people are even perverse enough to love or like their sin.

            But I really have nothing in common with you any more. Most people don’t have anything in common with a sociopath.

            Sorry for having to be so blunt but if you are an antisocial personality type how can you prove you are sane?

            You can’t. All you do is deliberately offend Christians from a lack of conscience and empathy.

            But love comes from a sound mind.

            King James Bible
            2 Tim. 1:7
            For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

            I hope you repent.

            God Bless!

          • pud

            What explains your total inability to address my arguments and instead resort to mindless buybull quotes and ad hominem fallacy?

          • Matthew 22:37

            I am not suppose to submit to philosophy. Read Colossians, chapter 2.

            Colossians chapter 2 verse 8:

            Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

          • pud

            Proves my point that you’re nothing but a totally indoctrinated delusional cult member.

          • Matthew 22:37

            It proves the opposite. You are a sinner and you are indoctrinated by the world which the devil is still trying to rule.

            The battlefield is the mind. Some are going to listen to God and start winning their battles in this life and some are going to let the devil maintain a foothold in their minds and keep on sinning or getting lured into sinning.

            You are a product of your belief system. God produces disciples out of His faithful, obedient people. Adopting the weak thinking of the world keeps sinners in sin.

            You’re no less indoctrinated than anybody else. You even come over here to forcefeed your evil ideas onto people who have told you over and over again that they do not agree with your ideas. Most don’t want to even contemplate them.

            Nobody is more indoctrinated than a militant atheist trying to browbeat others through mockery and insults into getting his way.

            Your actions and words prove you are indoctrinated and you are indoctrinated in one of the world’s worst system of ideas.

            Why would I replace the best with the worst? Jesus was the example of the best ideas and he changed all his disciples with his spirit and teachings.

            You’re not talking me into being spiritually regressive to suit your ugly ego.

            So go find likeminded people.

            None of the Christians want to be likeminded with a reprobate.

            Look what that reprobate Stalin did over time to the people who refused to be likeminded with him or let him dominate them.

            That is who you think like. Fortunately, unlike Stalin you are powerless and the strongminded Christians will never fall for your bullying tactics.

        • How many atheists like Jim Jones ran cults? Can you name any others (other than dialectical and historical materialist Communist leaders- cult of personality)? Aren’t you plucking stuff out of the air without any responsibility to provide evidence for your assertions?

          If atheism has some bad apples, isn’t this also true of Christian Fundamentalism? Some Fundamentalist leaders are every bit as controlling as Jo Stalin was (except that they lack political power) and are tyrants within their churches. This is not true of all. Some Fundamentalist leaders are kind. This is also true of some leading atheists who are kind, considerate, compassionate and generous towards others.

          Isn’t your air of orucular certainty so repugnant that you are turning people away from Christianity? This may not be your intention but it seems to be the effect. Learn a little humility!

      • Matthew 22:37

        Cult, cult, cult, cult, cult, cult, cult, cult, cult, cult. You sure do love to use that word and use it every chance you get.

        I suggest you research atheist cults. Atheist cults exist.

        From “Atheist Cults” on conservapedia:

        Jim Jones

        Jim Jones – Marxist, atheist cult leader. Jim Jones’ The Peoples Temple became a place where atheism was blended with seeing Jones as a Christ-like figure.[13] Under his direction, his followers committed mass suicide (see: Atheism and suicide).

        “I was an atheist even then, and at that funeral parlor they held me up to look at her, and when I got down, I was bitter.” – Jim Jones [14]

        “So on down the road, I became even more alienated by that event. I decided, how can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church.” – Jim Jones

        Cults of personality following atheistic communist leaders

        Cult of personality surrounding communist, atheist leaders or thought leaders such as Mao Zedong, Vladimir Lenin, Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-un

        Objectivism has a cult like following

        Objectivism (Ayn Rand) – Has a cult like following of atheist narcissists who generally subscribe to the political ideology of libertarianism.[15]

        Fervent, atheist evolutionists

        As far as atheistic/naturalistic Darwinism, since World War II a majority of the most prominent and vocal defenders of the evolutionary position which employs methodological naturalism have been atheists and agnostics (see also: Causes of evolutionary belief)[16]

        In his book Rivals: Conflict as the fuel of science, Michael White wrote: “Of course today, for biologists, Darwin is second only to God, and for many he may rank still higher.” The atheist Michael Ruse, an evolutionist science philosopher, admitted, “Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.”

        Ardent followers of Charles Darwin have Darwin Day celebrations and repeatedly endeavor to get government imposed Charles Darwin holidays.

        Evolutionists primarily spread their religion via public school indoctrination and via censorship of opposing views. They rarely engage in public debates and when they did more widely debate in the 1970s, they generally lost their debates (see: Creation vs. evolution debates).

        Cult of Reason

        Cult of Reason during the French Revolution was partly atheistic. The French atheist Pierre Gaspard Chaumette encouraged the “worship of Reason”.[3][4]

        • You say that evolution is a religion. Well should you not distinguish between evolutionary philosophy and evolution as the biological theory which best explains the facts of biology? Some Christians who support evolutionary theory of biological science as the best explanation of biological facts hold to a philosophy of theistic evolution and are not atheists or agnostics at all. Could you think before offering sweeping generalisations?

          High school teachers of biological science do not “spread their religion via public school indoctrination”. They teach biological science and are not allowed to teach evolutionary philosophy as part of the science curriculum. They are not permitted to teach creationism because this is a Christian philosophy, not science. Public schools (at least here in Australia) are not permitted to teach philosophy in science classes, whether that be evolutionary philosophy or the philosophy of creationism.

        • Marxist-Leninist Communism became cultic under Lenin, Jo Stalin and other Communist leaders. This was the result of both economic and political power being centred in the Communist Party and the concept of Democratic Centralism where all power centred in the party elite and ultimately in the leader of the party (of course, this is not democratic but totalitarian). As a result more than 100 million people living in Communist lands were executed. Sure, these leaders were atheists, but atheists of a particular kind– Communists.

          You need to distinguish between atheist humanists and atheist Communists. If you fail to make this distinction, it would be like someone who attributes the atrocities under radical forms of Islam to Christians because they are both Abrahamic religions. So if I, for example, mapped out some of the atrocities and cult worship practised by ISIS and then stated that Abrahamic sky religion commits atrocities, I would not be wrong but I would be wrong to attribute these particular atrocities to present day Christians (whatever atrocities some Christians performed in the past) because they are different religions within the Abrahamic sky religions. So atheistic Communism is a radically different form of atheism to atheistic humanism. Atheistic humanism does not torture or kill political or religious opponents like Communism did and does.

        • Marxist-Leninist Communism became cultic under Lenin, Jo Stalin and other Communist leaders. This was the result of both economic and political power being centred in the Communist Party and the concept of Democratic Centralism where all power centred in the party elite and ultimately in the leader of the party (of course, this is not democratic but totalitarian). As a result more than 100 million people living in Communist lands were executed. Sure, these leaders were atheists, but atheists of a particular kind– Communists.

          You need to distinguish between atheist humanists and atheist Communists. If you fail to make this distinction, it would be like someone who attributes the atrocities under radical forms of Islam to Christians because they are both Abrahamic religions. So if I, for example, mapped out some of the atrocities and cult worship practised by ISIS and then stated that Abrahamic sky religion commits atrocities, I would not be wrong but I would be wrong to attribute these particular atrocities to present day Christians (whatever atrocities some Christians performed in the past) because they are different religions within the Abrahamic sky religions. So atheistic Communism is a radically different form of atheism to atheistic humanism. Atheistic humanism does not torture or kill political or religious opponents like Communism did and does.

      • Matthew 22:37

        What about the atheist cults?

        Read the encyclopedia and stop assuming you know everything.

        Wikiquote:
        The Cult of Reason (French: Culte de la Raison)[note 1] was France’s first established state-sponsored atheistic religion, intended as a replacement for Roman Catholicism during the French Revolution. It also rivaled Robespierre’s Cult of the Supreme Being.[1][2][3][4]

        Done with reading you now. You don’t fact check and you don’t respect people.

        • pud

          There are no “atheist” cults as it is NOT a world view or an ideology or a belief system. “A” “theism” is simply NON BELIEF in theistic claims…absolutely nothing more, nothing less.

          I surely don’t respect you…you’re nothing but a distorter of truth and a quote mining idiot

          • Matthew 22:37

            Well I won’t be reading you any more. The lack of a conscience that you display by continuously disrespecting people makes me suspect you suffer from some sort of extreme narcissism or antisocial personality disorder and/or xenophobia.

            Something is really wrong with you and people who are knowledgable about toxic personalities say to steer clear of toxic people like you whenever possible.

            I only bothered so long because I am very analytical and like to be helpful.

            But you can’t address your disorder through debate or discussion. It only encourages your deranged behavior.

            Seek medical help, please. You need it.

          • Matthew 22:37

            This is a logically incorrect that atheism is nothing more or less than non-belief in theistic claims.

            Andy Bannister has an article called “The Scandinavian Skeptic (or: Why Atheism Is A Belief System)” on AndyBannister.net.

            He explains why atheism is making positive claims pointing to 6 reasons for it.

            I suggest you go read it. Atheists form communities, sometimes they even open churches, they take action, they write books. They even sometimes develop political systems like communism then proceed to murder, imprison, torture and steal from theists as occurred in the Soviet Union where you could not advance in the communist party ranks unless you were an atheist. Read up on the crimes of the Militant League of the Godless in the USSR.

            A quote from Bannister:
            The first problem is that the statement “atheism is just non-belief in God” proves too much. What do I mean? Well, on this definition my cat is an atheist, because it does not believe in God. (I sometimes suspect cats believe they are God, but that’s another story entirely.[2]) Likewise potatoes and small rocks are also atheists, because they, too, do not possess a belief in a deity of any kind.

          • pud

            Absurd…but then again your entire cult is absurd. “A” “theism” …without theism….doesn’t “believe” in invisible undetectable man made superstitious deities ….period. I don’t care for any tripe propaganda literature pumped out by another delusional apologist.

            You don’t know what or if your cat “believes” anything. Such a stupid argument. Rocks don’t “believe” so they must be atheists too huh? You get more stupid with every post.

          • Matthew 22:37

            You get stupider. You answered 2 minutes after I posted without even reading the 6 reasons.

            You like your error because you think it relieves you of the burden of disproving that God exists which is impossible.

            You’re irrational. By your own logic if you cannot disprove that God exists then you should not be arguing against religion.

            Atheism is making positive claims and your activities prove it regardless of whatever term twisting or shallow reasoning you want to engage in and promote.

          • pud

            I don’t need to read your garbage. There is no assertion whatsoever with being A theistic. NONE. We claim nothing! Baldness isn’t a hair color…not collecting stamps isn’t a hobby! I and no one else who calls bullshit on your superstitious nonsense bears the burden of “proof” It is you who must prove that which you claim that some invisible undetectable “god” thing exists. You fail, Every time you fail.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Fine with me if you feel comfortable being ignorant. Maybe a lurker will read it and see where you are wrong.

          • pud

            I am not “ignorant” nor am I wrong. It is you who has been so thoroughly indoctrinated that you can’t employ objective critical thinking in anything.

            NO “atheist” makes any claims or assertions whatsoever. Therefore they have no “burden of proof” for anything.

            It is you and your cult who “claim” and “assert” that this deity from your Bronze Age storybook exits. It is therefore entirely your responsibility to back up your claim with actual evidence…not opinions, not comments from other delusional lunatics, not more assertions, not more claims…EVIDENCE.

            “A” theist literally translates into “without theism”….”without belief” It is the absence of something not the assertion of something.

            And by the way…I can indeed prove that no “god” exists or ever did exist.

            Define “god”

            Define “exist”

            And I’ll prove to you that it’s impossible for any supernatural, invisible undetectable deity to “exist”

          • Matthew 22:37

            You have no idea how you erred because you did not read Bannister’s explanation.

          • pud

            It’s nonsensical gibberish and I just addressed it….totally stupid and meaningless gibberish.

            Do you “believe” in Zeus? I assume no…therefore you are an “atheist” regarding the existence of Zeus. I only go one more “god” than you do.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Bannister expounds further:

            When I have pointed this out to atheists, I usually receive a response along these lines: “But a potato can’t believe anything”. To which I reply: “So you’re now saying that atheism is the lack of belief in God by a creature that has the ability to form beliefs?” This is a different claim entirely—indeed, it’s a positive claim. The atheist is now claiming to believe that the external world really exists (thus she is rejecting metaphysical idealism), that other minds exist, that the human mind can form beliefs, and that our cognitive faculties are broadly reliable.[3] Each of those is a hotly debated area in philosophy.

            Suddenly what looked a simple statement of non-belief (“I don’t believe in God”) has sprouted a whole series of positive claims, popping up like mushrooms after a rainstorm. I have not yet encountered an atheist who believes that positive claims do not need to be argued for (indeed, atheists are fond of crying ‘Evidence!’ whenever confronted with a religious believer) and so it is the atheist’s job to give evidence for each of the philosophical positions they are encamped on. If they are not willing to do the hard reasoning, well, then, they can take their place alongside the cat, the rock, and the potato. – end quote

            That is only 1 reason you are wrong. Go read the other 5.

          • pud

            His retarded non example is NOT a positive claim at all. That you’re so willing and gullible to read into this nonsense speaks volumes. An “atheist” doesn’t “believe” in a “god”….period, full stop, nothing more. You are an “atheist” towards Ganesh and Zeus are you not?

          • Matthew 22:37

            LOL…You don’t care what a professional apologist has to say then why are you over here demanding people debate with you?

            You just come to troll people with insults.

            You can’t even read a professional apologist’s explanation of why your logic is wrong.

            Don’t ask anyone to debate you any more if your ideas can’t stand the scrutiny.

            You are the main person on this blog inviting a debate and you can’t do anything but dodge when your logical errors are corrected.

          • pud

            I demand that you back up your baseless assertions and mindless claims. A “professional apologist” LOL…You have NEVER EVER provided any actual evidence for anything you’ve ever written on these pages.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Maybe you should buy Bannister’s book: The Atheist Who Didn’t Exist: Or the Dreadful Consequences of Bad Arguments

            Bannister wrote this book to help people learn to assume nothing and recognize lazy skepticism and bad arguments.

          • pud

            Your entire worldview is nothing but assumption, faith, belief, wish thinking, cult doctrine and a Bronze Age book. You can DEMONSTRATE absolutely nothing that you claim as being true. ALL religions are referred to as “faiths” because they are NOT arrived at via critical thinking, logic, reason or rationality…they are “believed” purely and only by “faith”

            I wouldn’t use any of your stupid books for toilet paper. Every apologist that ever lived fails completely at any and all reasoned thought and ALWAYS ends up back at “faith” “claim” “assertion” and circular reasoning.

            You and they can DEMONSTRATE absolutely NOTHING that you mindlessly “believe” in. Thus is the nature of cults and cult think.

          • Matthew 22:37

            I think you are just a totalitarian thinker plugging propaganda.

            There may actually be a few thinking unbelievers around on disqus who will actually read something that challenges what they have been told.

            And, of course, there may be some believers who would like to see some analysis by someone other than an anti-theist like yourself since you are attempting to control the topic to please yourself.

            If a chance to correct some atheist propaganda and poor logic comes along then I will take it. Someone besides yourself may be paying attention and learning something by my exercising my freedom of thinking and speech and letting them know there are more penetrating and rigorous ways of looking at certain questions than the traditional lazy way presented by some skeptics.

          • pud

            You do not think. You have presupposed. There is no objectivity in you. You only seek to find like minded lunatics who will support your delusional views with twisted words, circular reasoning, blind assertions and quote mining.

            Answer this….with a YES or a NO….Does your “god” of the bible exist? Yes or No?

            If you answer “yes” then demonstrate exactly how you know this to be true. Do not quote your stupid book or a stupid apologist…YOU tell ME exactly how you KNOW that what you claim to be true is actually true.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Nope. Blocking you later today.

            You are not worthy of my proof. Get your own.

          • pud

            LOL…exactly as expected

          • Matthew 22:37

            Yes and you acted like most atheists I debated in the past. You dodged reading things that contradict your own ideas or refused to examine and/or admit evidence into inspection.

            You claim to want to debate but couldn’t read the argument that refuted one of your core beliefs.

            Come back to talk when you outgrow the need to be a domineering control freak.

            God bless!.

          • pud

            Read it…it was barf. It refuted nothing. I don’t have any “beliefs”

            You are a coward. A delusional cult member who KNOWS that you have nothing and when pressed to provide evidence you run away like a cockroach.

          • Matthew 22:37

            You still don’t comprehend a very simple phrase.

            “Faith is the gift of God.”

            Meditate on it.

            Oh and you are wrong. Everyone has some beliefs. A human being cannot function without forming some beliefs.

            Bye!

          • pud

            It means nothing. Just one more stupid assertion. People can have “faith” in anything…no matter how stupid or ridiculous…therefore it is not a pathway to truth.

            Demonstrate that “faith is the gift of god” or that there is any “god” at all….You can’t and you won’t

            Wrong again as always…I have NO “beliefs” I “accept” certain propositions to degrees of certainty based upon evidence. I do not “believe” anything. People can “believe” anything no matter how stupid or ridiculous therefore “belief” is delusional, irrational and stupid.

          • Matthew 22:37

            I am talking about beliefs in general not in a religious sense. Every person believes in something.

            Every human mind contains biases and beliefs.

            Biases and beliefs are shortcuts that help the mind to function..

            People contain thousands of beliefs in their minds. It is an impossibility for anyone to empirically review every belief he possesses. It is impossible to establish evidence for every one of these thousands of beliefs in the human mind.

            Research it.

            And re-read Bannister.

          • pud

            No..you are, as always, wrong.

            I have NO “beliefs” exactly as I explained to you. “Beliefs” do NOT require evidence. One can “believe” in a flat earth, loch ness monster, alien abduction, devils and demons and NONE of those “beliefs” require any evidence…they are delusional baseless “beliefs” I do NOT “believe” things..I accept certain propositions based upon evidence. You can “believe” stupid things like religious books without any evidence…you cannot accept certain propositions without evidence. Propositions come with evidence, beliefs do not.

            I will not and do not need to read your stupid guru apologist. I’ve heard them all…they are all insane, irrational, confused, confounded and delusional

          • Matthew 22:37

            I think you lack reading comprehension.

            Nothing I can do about that. I certainly can’t argue you into comprehending if you cannot grasp a simple fact that everyone holds beliefs about the world.

            Block now. I have other things to do with my time.

            Your mind is made up.

            There is no reason for you to be on this blog if you are committed to disbelief.

            You are just here to make a public nuisance of yourself.

            Then again maybe you should stay. You shoot yourself and the cause of atheism in the foot every day that you do stay.

            All you are doing is alienating people.

          • pud

            You’re a coward just like janitor jack. You run and cower when pressed to demonstrate the bullshit you both mindlessly babble. Your actions speak more than a thousand of my words.

          • Matthew 22:37

            You were refuted by Bannister yet refused to read the refutation.

            So I am definitely not cooperating with you and allowing you to control things.

          • pud

            Defend your “faith” coward. Show everyone who reads this who stands on solid ground and who is holding an empty wet sack.

            Your dingbat apologist refuted nothing. It was all gibberish. Total nonsense

          • Matthew 22:37

            Nothing more to say.

            Back on block so you can stop wasting my time with your fallacious propaganda.

            Thank God there are people in this world that actually reason better than you and can explain your error in detail.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Don’t bother making one of your bad mannered responses.

            Why would I want to read your animosity and logical errors when I can locate people who refute them? And so can everyone else reading this blog.

  • pud

    Wrong as always…”love” is a biological function that evolved as an aid to survival amongst early human primates.

    “Yes, God alone saves, but what a privilege to be used by God as a means to save those whom He has chosen. I love to share Christ because I love others.”

    Bullshit. “Saves” from himself? What a sick concept. “chosen”? What a sick concept….you don’t “love” anything, you’re a slave to a superstitious cult who pretends all manner of self righteousness while you make your wretched living lying to children about things you cannot possibly know. You are an indoctrinator, liar, fraud who peddles guilt, shame and the destruction of self worth so you can sell your snake oil magical cure for the small low price of ones critical faculties.

    “Love” doesn’t degrade people, prey on their fears, peddle hellfire, promote guilt and shame for being human nor does it LIE as you do constantly. “Love” promotes honesty, truth, self worth, reason and the advancement of the human species. You peddle fiction and darkness and death making a mockery of life as just a place to wipe your feet as you grovel before an invisible make believe made up dictator all too willing to heap boils and fire upon you for non-compliance

    You jack are a fraud and psychological terrorist with no shame whatsoever. FACT JACK!

  • pud

    “The love of God is on an infinitely higher plain, because God’s love was displayed in “that he gave his only Son’

    1. No such thing ever happened

    2. There is no evidence for either a “god” or his “son”

    3. Human sacrifice is a disgusting thing to glorify

    4. A “god” sending himself as a human sacrifice to himself is absurd

    5. There is nothing “loving” about killing someone as a “blood sacrifice” particularly if you’re a “god” with supposedly infinite wisdom and power. Your barbaric Iron Age fable is disgusting and ridiculous in the extreme

    6. You’re a sick man for putting forward such nonsense and worse for telling this gruesome fable to children with the threat of hellfire that usually accompanies it.

    You’re a sick sick man jack

    • Matthew 22:37

      You’re the sick one.

      Romans 1:28
      New American Standard Bible
      And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.

      You ought to read Hugh Ross’ testimony about how his mind darkened when as a young science prodigy he was slow to acknowledge God. He had done his seeking and knew to believe in God but hesitated to acknowledge him and his mind darkened. He explains it on his site on his personal testimony page.

      No wonder you’re so mean. Constantly ragging on people and unable to get control of yourself.

      • pud

        LOL!! Hugh Ross the luantic creationist faux scientist who is demonstrably WRONG about EVERYTHING! hahahahhahaa! Is there anything you’re not too gullible to “believe”? Anything? Is there any fringe crazy nut case you’re not willing to follow?

        PS..I don’t care about any words in your stupid book of mythology. I care about what is actually true.

        • Matthew 22:37

          Well it is true you are a nut. Who spends his life protesting something on someone else’s blog?

          Social crusaders go out in real life and lead crusades like Martin Luther King did. Like Gandhi did. Like Mandela did.

          They actually risk something.

          You have risked nothing to lead your delusional crusade.

          You’re just a hyperfixated xenophobe sitting on someone else’s blog when you should have got your own if all you intended to do is derail this one and spew hate.

          • pud

            Not “hate” dummy…contempt. Still can’t address a single point I make can you? Nope, just make believe personal attacks to compensate for your inability to defeat my arguments. Pitiful. I’m trying to de program you lunatics from this death cult you’ve been conned into joining….have to go where the cult members are silly!

          • Matthew 22:37

            What are your psychiatric credentials for deprogramming people?

            Why do you act like a cyberstalker?

            Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk or harass an individual, group, or organization. It may include false accusations, defamation, slander and libel.

            Where is your license to deprogram people?

            If you don’t have either credentials or a license how can you prove your acting like a cyberstalker by trying to hurt another person’s self esteem through insults isn’t harmful?

            Why did you appoint yourself as deprogrammer?

            Didn’t you know some “deprogrammers” go to jail for deprogramming people.

            So your “debates” are a lying public deception then. Only a front for your attempt at controlling another person and deprogramming them.

          • pud

            I “comment” in the same “comment” section you do stupid. I ridicule the ridiculous as everyone should. I expose your cult for the delusional absurd thing that it is. I hope it leads some people out of the guilt, shame and darkness your cult thrives on. Simple as that.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Lol….you’re not leading anyone out of darkness.

            You should still check with that doctor.

            Have a great day anyway!

          • Whose leading people out of ancient and medieval world superstitions, you or Pud? I would have thought that you have imbibed these superstitions, thoroughly. You are the one who is wandering in darkness, not Pud.

          • pud

            I’ll bullet point this for you..see if you can address these simple points one by one ok?

            * Which “god”? There have been nearly 10,000 of them all created by superstitious men

            * Where and when did any of these “gods” call me anything? Do not cite your man made book, demonstrate that a “god” called me something

            I’d give you many more but you seem immune to honest query. If you answer these two we can move on….

          • Matthew 22:37

            Prove that your mind is not blocked to the truth.

            If your mind is blocked there is nothing I could prove.

          • pud

            What a stupid idiotic reply. I expected nothing less.

            Try again…only 2 questions since it is YOU who is making the claims

            * Which “god”? There have been nearly 10,000 of them all created by superstitious men

            * Where and when did any of these “gods” call me anything? Do not cite your man made book, demonstrate that a “god” called me something

          • Matthew 22:37

            Someone else’s confusion doesn’t negate the fact that someone else can be right.

            Like I said prove your mind isn’t blocked to the truth.

            It’s a waste of time to attempt to prove anything to someone who’s mind is blocked.

            Hugh Ross said his mind started to darken because he hesitated to acknowledge God after realizing the God of the Bible was the true God. He could tell by his grades falling when he had always been a straight A student, etc.

            I am not going to try to prove anything to a closeminded person in darkness who is determined to stay unenlightened. Your mind is kicking out the proof all on it’s own and has reinforced that tendency by copying others who kicked out the proof.

            Your only options as far as I can tell are seeking or repenting or crying out to God for help.

            If you are an ingrate for what Jesus did and choose to deny God and God says the consequence is a depraved mind then that’s your problem/burden.
            Not mine. I was never an ingrate or in love with myself like you are.

            Bye!

          • pud

            What jesus did? Let’s consider that shall we?

            A human blood sacrifice….Like the Aztecs? Tell me skippy what is not sick about human sacrifice?

            Tell us too the sanity of “believing” that an all powerful “god” sent himself as a human blood sacrifice to himself to fix a problem he himself created….Tell me how any SANE person could possibly buy into such a gruesome sick perverted story as this.

            Your death cult reveres this make believe story and through EXTREME cognitive dissonance can consider it a wonderful thing.

            The TRUTH skippy is that there is NO evidence any “jesus” ever existed, NO evidence that ANY “god” ever existed. NO evidence that any of this grisly story took place and simple common sense tells all sane people that the narrative is ABSURD!

            You and your fellow death cult reveling lunatics ONLY “believe” in a BOOK! That is the actual TRUTH here. You “believe” a ridiculous story book and defend it against all reason. So sad. So pathetically sad.

          • pud

            Hugh Ross is a mental case. Half of your christian cult even think so. LOL. Who cares what one lunatic says did does or thinks? The world if full of mental cases do you “believe” all of them? I think you might!

          • Matthew 22:37

            The main psychiatric case on this blog is you.

            You just admitted to being delusional enough to attempt to deprogram people on a message board. You use hate speech to do it then ignorantly deny you are hating people by calling it contempt oblivious to the fact that hate and contempt are synonyms.

            I am leaving you to your mental disorder.

            Narcissists always want to be the authority on everything. Quite a few atheists including you seem to have a problem with authority figures. So no wonder you can’t acknowledge God. It might challenge your personality disorder.

            If you weren’t so delusional you would consult a real psychiatrist instead of playing pretend deprogrammer psychologist on this blog.

            I will put you back on block. All this arguing does is deflects from the fact that you need to see a real doctor and get diagnosed instead of meddling with other people you don’t even know all the time.

          • pud

            You’re right about one thing! Congratulations! “Free thinkers” like myself do not NEED authority figures to tell me what is true, what to think, what to do, what to “believe”….Simple minded, credulous, weak willed, gullible people like you have to be led….you and those like you have to find a cult to “belong” to and act as your parental authority figure. The religious never matured, never achieved self sufficiency and require authorities because they lack critical thinking skills.

            The very first religions were formed this way when one bright minded individual invoked some invisible power and threatened everyone else with it unless they obeyed him. It’s the same today with a pope, imams, priests, pastors etc….all father figures for those who cannot think for themselves

          • pud

            Define “truth” and tell us how you arrive at a “truth”

          • Matthew 22:37

            I am not defining anything. You’re not in control of word meanings.

            You didn’t even know contempt was a synonym for hatred.

          • Matthew 22:37

            God calls you a fool.

            Fools don’t lead people out of darkness. They are blind guides.

          • Matthew 22:37

            From thesaurus
            Synonyms for contempt:

            noun disdain, disrespect
            antipathy
            condescension
            defiance
            derision
            disregard
            distaste
            HATRED
            malice
            mockery
            neglect
            ridicule
            scorn
            audacity
            aversion
            contumely
            despisal
            despite
            disesteem
            indignity
            recalcitrance
            repugnance
            slight
            snobbery
            stubbornness
            despisement

          • Matthew 22:37

            Dr. Phil who is a licensed psychiatrist is a Christian.

            Harvard educated psychiatrist M. Scott Peck who is now deceased was a Christian.

            Dr. Curt Thompson, M.D. who wrote a book on infant attachment is a psychiatrist and a Christian.

            If they with better credentials than you do not deem Christianity as damaging to themselves then why do you?

            Don’t you think they are a little better at psychoanalysis than you are?

            There are even atheist psychiatrists who say theism is not maladaptive.

            So you just appointed yourself to the position of thought control expert and decided to go onto the interweb and deprogram people?

            And you use hate speech to deprogram them according to your own internal personal standard that has not been endorsed by the scientific community.

            Hate speech is a crime.

          • Matthew 22:37

            I would go read “6 Common Traits of Narcissists and Gaslighters:
            How narcissists and gaslighters emotionally manipulate and exploit victims” on Psychology Today.

            You seem to fit the profile. Narcissists like to be the authority and you act like you think you are the authority on everything.

            Preston Ni explains:

            Rule Breaking and Boundary Violation

            Many narcissists and gaslighters enjoy getting away with violating rules and social norms. Examples of narcissistic trespass include cutting in line, chronic under-tipping, personal space intrusion, borrowing items without returning, using other’s properties without asking, disobeying traffic laws, breaking appointments, and negating promises. Examples of gaslighting trespass include direct or subtle marginalizing remarks, public or private shaming and humiliation, sardonic humor and sarcastic comments, internet trolling, angry and hateful speech, and virulent attacks on undesirable individuals and groups.

          • Matthew 22:37

            I hope you go consult a psychiatrist in private, pud.

            Maybe he’ll give you cognitive behavioral therapy and you will feel better and stop taking things out on people different from yourself.

            Seriously, you are on the net subjecting people to hate speech on a routine basis and attempting to control their thought lives as if their freedom of thinking for themselves shouldn’t be respected.