Why Does Jesus Say “Blessed Are Those Who Mourn?”

Why Does Jesus Say “Blessed Are Those Who Mourn?” February 4, 2019

Isn’t mourning a bad thing, so why does Jesus say, “Blessed are those who mourn?”

Mourning

Everyone goes through a time of loss and mourning. It might be a beloved aunt, grandparent, parent, or even a child. Those who lose their pets go through very much the same thing, so why does Jesus say, “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted” (Matt 5:4)? How is mourning over something or someone supposed to bring a blessing? Part of the answer comes in Jesus’ next breath, saying that “they shall be comforted.” Why does God bless those who mourn? Perhaps it is their mourning over their own sin, maybe even the sins of the world. Believers know that sin brings death and judgment, and without Christ to bridge that gap, they have the wrath of God abiding on them (John 3:36b). That fact makes me mourn over those who are still lost…separated from God by their sins (Isaiah 59:2). I’ve mourned over a lot of things, including the death of some people very dear to me, but I’ve also mourned over the sins I did because I know that they do not please God. My love for God makes me mourn over my own sins, knowing how it hurts our fellowship.

Grieving

Everyone goes through a time of grief, and if you have a friend or family member who’s going through a time of grief right now, all you can do is mourn with them. When words fail us, we can simply sit with them quietly, acknowledging how sorry we are for what’s happened. Sometimes, fewer words are better. In the funerals I’ve presided over, I can see the grief just pouring over the family like rain. They have lost someone close to them, and they know, their world will never be the same, but it’s different for believers. We don’t grieve like the world does. We have hope after death. We know it’s not, “Goodbye,” but “See you later,” so if you know of someone who is mourning, offer to be there for them; bring them meals; or do anything you can for them. I want those who’ve lost their beloved ones who died in the faith to know that the Apostle Paul said “about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope” (1 Thess 4:13), and “since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep” (1 Thess 4:14). Do you see? The ones who’ve passed into glory are not dead, because He is the God of the living and not the dead (Matt 22:32; Mark 12:27). That is our hope. We who have trusted in Christ will see them again. That should give us some comfort.

Mourning’s End

Blessed are those who mourn, for one day they will be comforted, and comforted beyond all measure. The Apostle John writes about a time when “the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away” (Rev 21:3-4). God Himself desires this time to come too because we know what God thinks about the death of His saints. It is as the psalmist declares, “Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints” (Psalm 116:15). Even in Job’s day, thousands of years before the cross, Job was convinced “that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been thus destroyed, yet in my flesh I shall see God, whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another” (Job 19:25-27). Daniel also wrote of the resurrection of the dead, writing that “many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt” (Dan 12:2).

Made Alive

At one time in our lives, we were dead in our sins (Eph 2:1-7), but when the Spirit of God quickened us to new life in Christ, the separation between us and God was gone. We might have cried out like Paul, “Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death,” but like Paul, we also knew the answer, saying, “Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin” (Rom 7:24-25). So now we can almost taunt death’s dark, icy grip, saying, “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting” (1 Cor 15:55)? I’ll tell you where deaths sting is at. It’s like the honey bee that stings dad in the car. His son is panicking, believing it’ll sting him too, but the father says, “Son…its okay. I took the stinger. He can’t hurt you anymore.” Jesus took on death and defeated it. “The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Cor 15:56-57), the sting is gone, but this is only true “If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you” (Rom 8:11).

Conclusion

If you’re mourning, then say, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God” (2 Cor 1:3-4). Jesus said, “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted” (Matt 5:4), but God may want to use you to do that comforting. We are to be an extension of the work of God here on earth, and that will mean we comfort others, just as others, at God’s direction, have comforted us. The same kind of comfort we’ve received from others, we are to give to others. If you have never trusted in Christ, you too will mourn. Maybe not today, but someday, perhaps at Jesus’ return (Rev 1:7), or after death (Heb 9:27), and that mourning will be forever more (Rev 20:12-15). That is why I urgently plead with you to repent of your sins and place your trust in Christ now. If not today, when? Today is the best of days to trust in Christ because tomorrow has no guarantee of even getting here.

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • Salvatore Anthony Luiso

    I think that the mourners to whom the Lord refers are not everyone and anyone who mourns, but those who mourn out of righteousness, e.g. a righteous sorrow for their own spiritual poverty (verse 2), for a lack of righteous (verse 6), and for those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake (verse 10).

    Otherwise this proclamation of blessing would apply to all people, including unrepentant wicked people, who mourn.

    Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
    [. . .]
    I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.
    –Psalm 119:136 and 158

    And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
    –Ezekiel 9:4

    Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
    –John 16:20

    • Jack Wellman

      Thank you my friend. So good to hear from you and I see your point sir.

    • Brien

      But there are no gods – just an erroneous presumption – No evidence – no proof, No gods….

    • Buck Robins

      You are right. The author should know better. This is the problem with our churches such twisting of the Word. Sad

      • Gail Kathryn

        “TWISTING” you say, don’t you think that is a little strong? In a little over 1000 word article,. author Mr. Wellman certainly could not include all “interpretations” and bible concepts for his subject…I think he did a great job -Not sure why you interpret comforting those who mourn (including evil people) to include and cover that they are forgiven (when they do not repent…)? He actually wrote just the opposite, “If you never trusted in Christ.. that mourning will be FOREVER”. Matthew 5, “LOVE your ENEMIES and pray for those who persecute you”, (which is VERY hard to do) aligns with the COMFORT ALL those who mourn (yes, including the evil people) – -Therefore I agree 100% with his interpretation on comforting those who mourn, even when affliction stems from un-repented sin or an evil heart. And, both loving and comforting (the evil people) is the best way to bring them to Christ, and why it is expected behavior of all Christians, to “LOVE Your Neighbors”…If God wanted us to just love those who believe in Christ, I’m sure Jesus would have included that exception in the 2 Greatest Commandments. I cant find any verse that instructs us to NOT love and NOT comfort evil people??? And btw, today I do not have it in me to love or comfort ANY evil people who are mourning 🙁 Is that ok? No. ). I have been persecuted (by EVIL) so severely in recent years, that although I know God instructs me to love/comfort them and leave justice + punishment up to him, it just simply is sometimes too hard to set aside anger, hurt + injustice to love and comfort those who we feel like we hate. Please pray for me, to both keep evil people away from me today, and if I’m faced with confronting any of them, (likely will in court house today), I’ll be prudent enough to say nothing, if I am unable to be kind. Thanks.

      • Gail Kathryn

        “TWISTING” you say, don’t you think that is a little strong? In a little over 1000 word article,. author Mr. Wellman certainly could not include all “interpretations” and bible concepts for his subject…I think he did a great job -Not sure why you interpret comforting those who mourn (including evil people) to include and cover that they are forgiven (when they do not repent…)? He actually wrote just the opposite, “If you never trusted in Christ.. that mourning will be FOREVER”. Matthew 5, “LOVE your ENEMIES and pray for those who persecute you”, (which is VERY hard to do) aligns with the COMFORT ALL those who mourn (yes, including the evil people) – -Therefore I agree 100% with his interpretation on comforting those who mourn, even when affliction stems from un-repented sin or an evil heart. And, both loving and comforting (the evil people) is the best way to bring them to Christ, and why it is expected behavior of all Christians, to “LOVE Your Neighbors”…If God wanted us to just love those who believe in Christ, I’m sure Jesus would have included that exception in the 2 Greatest Commandments. I cant find any verse that instructs us to NOT love and NOT comfort evil people??? And btw, today I do not have it in me to love or comfort ANY evil people who are mourning 🙁 Is that ok? No. ). I have been persecuted (by EVIL) so severely in recent years, that although I know God instructs me to love/comfort them and leave justice + punishment up to him, it just simply is sometimes too hard to set aside anger, hurt + injustice to love and comfort those who we feel like we hate. Please pray for me, to both keep evil people away from me today, and if I’m faced with confronting any of them, (likely will in court house today), I’ll be prudent enough to say nothing, if I am unable to be kind. Thanks.

        • Jack Wellman

          Thank you my friend. It is refreshing hearing encouraging, uplifting words, which we are told to speak. I appreciate your kindess Gail.

          • Gail Kathryn

            You are welcome 🙂

            It’s encouraging to know that you take the time to read the comments in your articles (many are unable, due to usual time constraints).

            And since you do/have, can I please recommend that you remove or ban those who clearly are here just to cause strife and express hatred (religious intolerance/bigotry)? E.G. “Brien”.
            I actually find it very unsettling, and primary reason I now hesitate before visiting this page, for follow-ups.

            He harasses + insults ALL of us, who believe in God. Totally unacceptable!

            It would be unfortunate if the UN-Godly, like him (obnoxious atheists) monopolized all discussions, and drove away the decent people who came here for decent/appropriate reasons (to commune with other religious + spiritual people).

            I respect he is an atheist, (his life to choose to believe in whatever he wants to),
            so why can’t he respect that I believe in + love God?

            I certainly do NOT have to defend my faith + beliefs to anybody.

            The fact that he keeps telling people to “prove” God exists, is so ridiculous,
            that if he was not so insulting (mean), I would find his requests to be laughable (funny).

            Just a suggestion, IMO – Thanks!

            And btw, I do not believe banning bigots, terrorists and/or any others with bad or harmful intentions, is in any way limiting their freedom of speech.
            They do not own this website or domain, and they are free to speak elsewhere or on their own site, (that I am free to choose to never go to).
            In addition to fact that it is your article, you wrote + own, which gives you complete power + control over any comments written in response to it.

            Over the years there have been a bunch of other decent websites, on topics I enjoy, I stopped visiting because of obnoxious or mean posters.

            A few unsavory comments is easy to ignore, but when the undesirables have so much free time, and do nothing other than monopolize and re-direct every comment to their hateful agenda, it is just too exhausting + annoying to tolerate.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Brien posted only a part of your above comment the other day and twisted the meaning so he could personally attack you.

            Feel free to block certain posters liberally. It is your main protection against people with “issues” serving secret agendas if moderation cannot or will not respond.

            pud says he comes here to “deprogram” people. Why? Can’t people think for themselves without him playing thought controller?

            Have a blessed day. Just click the poster’s name then the 3 dots to bring up the block feature.

        • Brien
        • Buck Robins

          This Scripture is not talking about mourning over a lose of any kind. It is about someone being convicted of their sins and are morning begging for forgiveness. Twisting scripture is mild compared to what God will say to him on judgement day.

  • Matthew 22:37

    Colossians 2:1-15, New American Standard Bible

    You Are Built Up in Christ
    2 For I want you to know how great a struggle I have on your behalf and for those who are at Laodicea, and for all those who have not [a]personally seen my face, 2 that their hearts may be encouraged, having been knit together in love, and attaining to all the wealth [b]that comes from the full assurance of understanding, resulting in a true knowledge of God’s mystery, that is, Christ Himself, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I say this so that no one will delude you with persuasive argument. 5 For even though I am absent in body, nevertheless I am with you in spirit, rejoicing [c]to see [d]your good discipline and the stability of your faith in Christ.

    6 Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so [e]walk in Him, 7 having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established [f]in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing [g]with gratitude.

    8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, [h]rather than according to Christ. 9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10 and in Him you have been made [i]complete, and He is the head [j]over all rule and authority; 11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; 12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 When you were dead [k]in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 When He had [l]disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through [m]Him.

    Colossians 3:16, New American Standard Bible
    New American Standard Bible
    Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

    It Is Well With My Soul
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AHe_qmo3gX4

    • Brien
      • Matthew 22:37

        Well I told you over and over be a seeker.

        Christians don’t have to debate if they can teach.

        So I am blocking you. I teach this stuff but obviously you can’t teach the unruly with a bad attitude so here is your time out.

        Have a great life. Hope you find a good teacher. Right now you are siding with the rebellious letting rebellion rule your heart and your head.

        God Bless! Bye!

        • Brien
          • Matthew 22:37

            You really came over here to cast verbal stones like a Nazi at a Jew.

            A person should never act with so little regard for another person.

            No one is forcing you to listen to a liar. You came to verbally assault people like a lot of militant atheists who lack self control do.

            This isn’t even an atheist blog so you are trolling to be disrespectful deliberately.

          • Brien

            Liars have earned all the abuse you get!
            You are a known liar – [a fact is not an assault…]

            … and you resort to nazi talk…?
            and yes – we are militant against these lies…. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/97d43eb3557b68b77a59dbc39dd152263c615e2268b3e1ea93de3a808f0e6e74.jpg

            So… No gods here…!!

          • Matthew 22:37

            I don’t care whether you keep your atheism private or not but I do expect you to stop acting like a closeminded Nazi troll with a superiority complex on a blog you should not be on until you learn proper manners.

          • Brien

            Yep – Trolling, exactly as the religions have been doing!!

            For millennia….

            and we have been forced to listen to and see the crap from religions everywhere!
            [we hear the same crap over and over – the same unproven rubbish –
            for 2000+ years (usually at the point of a sword, or on the fire)]

            constant repetition of the same old lies!!!

            – in our courts
            – and in government meetings
            – and in our public schools
            and you try this hypocrisy – just pure arrogance!!!

            We will soon start arresting parents for child abuse when they tell these lies to children!!!
            {we already are imprisoning the religious parents for refusing medical help to children based on idiotic religious beliefs…}

            —–and you are back to the nazi ad hominems again???

            Prove your god!!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01b5c050c4f1f808dc605fdd99a7678c96265ed849de744ca992b2727d99ed8b.jpg

          • Matthew 22:37

            Block.

          • Brien
          • Matthew 22:37

            A quote from American Vision I came across on conservapedia.

            Dr. Joel McDurmon at the organization American Vision wrote about a University of York study involving magnetism and brain function:

            “ This has to be embarrassing . . . if you’re an atheist. A new study performed at the University of York used targeted magnetism to shut down part of the brain. The result: belief in God disappeared among more than 30 percent of participants.
            That in itself may not seem so embarrassing, but consider that the specific part of the brain they frazzled was the posterior medial frontal cortex—the part associated with detecting and solving problems, i.e., reasoning and logic.

            In other words, when you shut down the part of the brain most associated with logic and reasoning, greater levels of atheism result.

          • Brien

            By cherry picking your studies to suit your agenda is our proof of your stupidity and inability to judge anything in an objective manner.
            (this jerk of yours is NOT educated in any of the sciences – just fiction (same as your ‘teaching’…))

            Yep, y’all jest kip etin’ them thar smart pills…. ”ah done sayd that thar is uh gawd – so that thar’s ma pruf…”. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c0e726f765d4edabdb2b46a49c741e6001f9fcc451fe79373999eb7cf769175.jpg

          • Matthew 22:37

            I am not reading you any more. I require elemntary politeness with the people I bother to discuss things with and you don’t display any.

            No hard feelings but putting you back onto block.

            Have a blessed day!

          • Brien

            20 times+ you were told to prove your god –
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ffd02675fc71bf72d1f94506a50627d36531064b7f3e4aed0f27bda8ff638455.jpg and you arrogantly expect politeness after all the lies and crap you spew…?
            Grow up!

            Prove your god….

          • Matthew 22:37

            Didn’t click most of your links and didn’t click that one.

            If I were you I would look into brain and psychological corellations between atheism and Asperger’s Syndrome and between atheism and autism.

            They are studying that now and writing about it.

          • Matthew 22:37

            And you may want to watch the “Atheists are irrational” video on youtube. It shows film documentary evidence of several different atheists going off on theists and manhandling theists in the streets for street preaching and others for protesting abortion.

            Nothing tolerant about those atheists wanting to stifle freedom of thinking, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

          • Brien

            Why ??
            Your only job was to prove your gods – Not waffle on deflecting like so https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00a1fb5d9338cd86c18ec4800ce5252eda962b788fec9d9c49f2c7431b8abccc.jpg meone who cannot do it…!!!

          • Brien

            Hurry up….

            in the meantime
            Prove your gods….

        • Brien
          • Matthew 22:37

            Wrong again. Faith is the gift of God.

            He is the One who decides who gets the gift and who doesn’t.

            Maybe He passed you over because He read your mind set so firmly against Him.

            Have a blessed day!

            And please learn theology. Really you got things totally backwards there.

          • Brien

            Nope!
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/424fccbccc61f536d2a029a00e979c2fbaff6ab92302632d87ccd47b9b789834.jpg

            That is an obviously made-up lie to try to excuse your way out of proving the claims of a god….
            (btw – most of us atheists came from strong religious backgrounds (K-12 religious schooling))

            Prove your god!!

  • Guestie

    “Isn’t mourning a bad thing…?”

    Um, no.

    • Jack Wellman

      No, mourning is not a bad thing…in fact, it is healthy. I never said it was bad but a blessing for those who mourn.

      • pud

        It’s a testament that your “loving” “god” thing doesn’t give a shit about suffering.

      • Guestie

        I was confused by your opening line as I’ve never heard anyone ever suggest that mourning is a bad thing.

        The ubiquity of mourning amongst humans, with some evidence that it goes back more than 100,000 years, makes me wonder if it confers some evolutionary advantage.

  • pud

    More lies and willful delusion.

    “jesus” never “said” anything. The authors of books “said” he “said” this or that. There is no evidence that any “jesus” ever existed, you cannot name the reporter who ran around writing down the exact words credited to this character and the entire narrative you call the buybull was manufactured by the early church.

    As to your twisted warped and infantile theology….are the victims of tsunamis “blessed”? What kind of “loving” god allows millions to suffer and die every year leaving even more millions “mourning”?

    “God may want to use you to do that comforting. We are to be an extension of the work of God here on earth”

    Oh, so you’re just a tool for the all powerful omnipotent all knowing “god” to use eh? What an incredibly stupid thing to “believe” It’s no different than the murdering muslims who blow shit up to help the will of allah. You jack are every bit as deranged as the most rabid muslim and you’re just too stupid to connect the dots

  • Brien

    He didn’t!
    That is gossip!!

    The Bible is One, Single, Solitary book –
    and that is the total extent of your evidence to prove your god???

    http://bibviz.com/?fbclid=IwAR1lE2rjyNb0eTJvW7xLODLdNN-Eb0c1n1SGAELUYREAbhw4pwSXoXIrV0M

    The Bible is a compendium of fire side tales and fables,

    recounted orally for generations by goat herders and primitive tribes from the stone age, until writing was invented,

    and then again many different sources, transliterations, and versions were copied and written down.

    There were no grand central universities to organise the many various versions of these origin/creation stories, stories common to most primitive cultures.
    They were for entertainment (as in all migratory camp tribes),
    and to answer the questions of the many fears and mysteries of our universe, like ‘thunder’ and earthquakes, since there was no science yet.

    This is the old Testament.

    The ‘new’ Testes is also hearsay since these letters, ‘gospels’ and stories were written by the loyal faithful, the camp followers,
    not by objective historians at that particular time,
    or by any contemporary writers,
    and these tales were written many years after the supposed events of this mythical Jesus.

    Thus, there is no verifiable evidence of a Jesus in real documented history.

    Then, many of these stories, but not all, as many were not chosen,
    [ There are more than just four Gospels but only these four were agreed on ],
    were compiled for one self-absorbed converted Roman Emperor in his Nicean Council,
    for his expressed purpose of conquest and
    control of the people of Europe for his Holy Roman Empire.
    He recognised that this was the perfect religion/mythology for the future domination of the populaces.

    Half of the stories were ignored by the Nicean Bishops and none have been proven to be based on fact.

    This ‘Bable’ book is backed up by absolutely no facts and no evidence.
    It is not proof for any god(s) ….(or of any jesus…)

    It is a historical novel…Only!

  • Brien
    • Jack Wellman

      As soon as you are able to prove He does not.

      • Brien

        Ignorance is simply the lack of information and/or knowledge; (not a fault)

        However, stupidity is when that information is denied or rejected. (a purposeful fault) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13439e72cfdf0a1f68dbf02386c169676d08ac5c7ddf81071d149c3b2f503355.jpg

        • Matthew 22:37

          Ignorance is no excuse before God. I encourage you to research the scriptures on the topic.

          And I am not arguing your opinion or dictionary definitions when you have not researched the scriptures for God’s opinion.

          What do I care about human opinions?

          God is the greatest critical thinker in the universe ever.

          Peace Be With You!

          • Brien

            You claim – you have no evidence ,’, you lie!
            Very simple – even for simpletons!!
            No Proof = A Lie ,.’, No gods!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/68e648f0d11f870b7618f9023655f59bd062dbfae369b98437b85c65abdfce5f.jpg

          • Matthew 22:37

            I suggest you write to the former head of the Human Genome Project who is now the head of the NIH, Dr. Francis Collins, and ask him why he calls DNA the language of God.

            Then read Hugh Ross’ testimony in which he explains why the Bible is scientifically right and the other major religions religious texts are not.

            But you don’t care about evidence. You just use it to raise an objection. You came over here to make a nuisance of yourself with other people’s conclusions and pictures.

            If you cared about evidence. If evidence is really that compelling for you then you would be out with the archaeologists who claim there is archaeological evidence for the Bible seeking the evidence.

            You would go to the British museum to see Nebuchadnezzar’s tablet.

            I have no burden on me to prove to someone who really doesn’t want a thing proven.

            You haven’t even proved you are an honest or rational person. I am suppose to work my butt off for someone who is already self determined to maintain his bias against God.

            Find another sucker, grasshopper.

          • Brien

            Deflecting to a subject in which you are totally ignorant just tells us that you cannot prove your god – so you must try to debunk the sciences….
            No god here…. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/94712dd4fd4c2c10ad3ba19e624f3500ca7101e5e35be43c6627626ad2a78bf2.jpg

          • Matthew 22:37

            Have a blessed day! I am not debating with any more worldly people who refuse to learn God’s perspective.

            Appeal to God for some discernment, please.

            He knew things before modern men and scientists did.

            Google a few “Biblical Scientific Foreknowledge” videos on youtube.

            The Bible says that the world is not flat and hangs in the heavens by nothing.

            See Isaiah 40:

            verse 22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,

            So don’t fall for the flat earth propaganda. The Bible does not say the earth is flat. Some men may have but not God’s Word.

            Unlike other religions’ texts that claim the earth rests on the back of turtles or elephants.

            The Bible knows about the atom, too. It says the seen comes from the unseen. An atom is unseen. Only visible through a microscope.

            Debating is worldliness and Christians aren’t suppose to be worldly. We’re suppose to be separate and distinct.

            Smith Wigglesorth said:
            The reason the world is not seeing Jesus is that Christian people are not filled with Jesus. They are satisfied with attending meetings weekly, reading the Bible occasionally, and praying sometimes. It is an awful thing for me to see people who profess to be Christians lifeless, powerless, and in a place where their lives are so parallel to unbelievers’ lives that it is difficult to tell which place they are in, whether in the flesh or in the Spirit.-end quote

            I no longer debate because that is living in the flesh and I prefer to stay in the Spirit.

            Philippians 3, ESV
            2 Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God[b] and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—

            If you want to put confidence in the flesh which is all materialism is,
            Brien, then that is up to you.

            But your worldly notions do not rule my thinking.

            That is all this battle of wits you are engaging in is. A bogus attempt by you to try to force me to conform to your thinking.

            But I don’t know you in real life. I have no character to judge you by other than your internet cockiness and rudeness. So why would I listen to you?

            I really don’t care what you think as you display some very bad manners.

            I really only care what God thinks and am in the process of following His ways more and more closely.

            Go read “What in the World is Worldliness? (John 17:13-19)” on the bible dot org site.

            The world’s ways including worldly philosophy are not God’s ways.

            Have a blessed day!

          • Brien

            This is NOT a debate!
            (what could make you think so…?)

            This is a centuries old Demand that you prove your god!!!
            and you cannot do it – so you can stop with the absurd and ridiculously childish deflections/lies….!

            [The Bible is One, Single, Solitary book –
            and that is the total extent of your evidence to prove your god???] https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1255f57511860c9767a2e6628fb61c0d0f2cf37171e46561bd54733cb87ad762.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/36632dce6e74dff91fb2ad92acfa63d31ff0b9947272836899cff245bff6add0.jpg

            http://bibviz.com/?fbclid=IwAR1lE2rjyNb0eTJvW7xLODLdNN-Eb0c1n1SGAELUYREAbhw4pwSXoXIrV0M

          • Matthew 22:37

            God is a rewarder of seekers. How do you discover God exists by me attempting to prove Him?

            Relationships involve work.

            God tells people to be seekers.

            People who don’t know or care what God requires attempt to shove burdens of proof on people.

            How can you have a relationship with God when you won’t seek to know the truth?

            When you can disprove the existence of God instead of just making false intellectual assumptions and false value substitutions then maybe we can talk.

            Not until then.

            I have no obligation to listen to anyone who obstinately refuses to consider things from God’s perspective.

            Acts 19:8-9, ESV

            And he entered the synagogue and for three months spoke boldly, reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God. 9 But when some became stubborn and continued in unbelief, speaking evil of the Way before the congregation, he withdrew from them and took the disciples with him, reasoning daily in the hall of Tyrannus.

            Believing is seeing in the spiritual realm. Your refusal to see and stay in spiritual darkness does not over rule my certainty.

            May His Grace Abound To You!

          • Brien

            No evidence = No proof = No gods!

            You are a known liar!!!

          • Matthew 22:37

            Lol….I have personal proof. But I only share it with likeminded people that I trust not ill willed strangers on internet boards.

            I suggest you genuinely seek. God might open your mind and you could make a discovery.

            Jesus in Matthew 6, NASB

            22“The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. 23“But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

            Until then stop badgering enlightened Christians trying to make them join you in the darkness.

            The Age of Enlightenment started with Jesus not a couple of hundred years ago but the world likes to disseminate a lot of false info to keep people in the darkness but you can choose to listen to Holy God or to strangers of questionable character in this world. That’s the individual’s choice. You can even choose to project your evil onto Holy God in your own mind if you want to but not everyone does that, do they? Some really believe and know in their hearts that God is holy.

            Bible reading and believing Christians understand that.

            Jesus Christ was the most enlightened person that the world has ever witnessed.

            I can’t help it if you or others can’t judge testimony very well or want to dismiss it not using their intellects critically, can I?

            Try finding a good honest Bible teacher or tutor to help you if you can’t understand the scriptures then at least you would be trying to get spiritually enlightened.

            Pray to God for some help.

          • Brien

            Yes – delusions are con https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/faea0864cd8086a98d3ddb0e22c4a0645fb04434b1ea943af1a08537c9aa15fa.jpg sidered a medical problem and you are a known liar!!!

          • If God doesn’t exist, how can he or she be “… the greatest critical thinker in the universe ever.”? If God doesn’t exist, then the scriptures are human made, not divinely inspired.

      • Matthew 22:37

        Great post!

        Totally oblivious to their personal responsibility before God yet want to waste time playing philosophy games.

  • Brien
  • Brien

    First of all, don’t attempt to reverse the burden of evidence.
    You make a positive claim and we don’t believe it, so it’s up to you to support your claim with evidence.

    It is Not a logical concept to ‘dis’-prove that whcih has not been proven, First!

    Second, absence of evidence IS evidence of absence.
    Furthermore, absence of evidence when your hypothesis claims that there should indeed be evidence is strong evidence of absence. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f722931eb8bf570256d96e31f80129b9bc8e4be1d5856ec13f5ba0765e66505d.jpg

    • Matthew 22:37

      You are greatly mistaken. This is an evangelical blog. Not a philosophy blog.

      Faith is the gift of God. There is no burden of proof on a person to prove he received a gift.

      No matter how many people try to re-classify a gift as a claim.

      Is anyone trying to force you to receive this gift by claiming they received the gift?

      Too bad atheist propaganda has deceived you by trying to turn belief into philosophical claim games.

      I hope you see the light some day.

      • Brien

        Propaganda??

        Try telling yourself the truth!

        No evidence = No proof = No gods!!

        ‘a’-theism = no beliefs
        ie atheism is a conclusion!!!

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/38b81ffc249d1cb6e462271225d64b60d22a3b233824935a24d71fcfaebe9377.jpg

        • Matthew 22:37

          Read up on general revelation. That is God’s proof.

          You can believe God’s revelation or side with rebellious people.

          Christians were told not to engage in philosophy because we ultimately answer to a higher authority than those devised by men.

          So stop demanding something from Christians that you are not owed.

          Christians are on God’s system.

          Non-Christians are on other worldly systems and sometimes bow to philosophy.

          Just because some Christians like intellectual games sometimes don’t fool yourself into thinking philosophy controls anything because it doesn’t. Not for a Christian.

          If a Christian believes God is in control and most do then why would he submit to philosophical burdens designed to obfuscate and deny God’s sovereignty?

          Go read Colossians. Pay attention to verse 2:15.

          Colossians 2 New King James Version (NKJV)

          Not Philosophy but Christ
          2 For I want you to know what a great conflict[a] I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, 2 that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, [b]both of the Father and of Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

          4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing [c]to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

          6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding [d]in it with thanksgiving.

          8 Beware lest anyone [e]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead [f]bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all [g]principality and power.

          Not Legalism but Christ
          11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the [i]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

          Jesus Christ reigns triumphant over the principalities and powers of this world.

          That is an accomplished work.

          No need to disobey God and go around arguing with people who refuse to learn God’s perspective but instead try to assert the worldy philosophical rules against Him.

          When you start reading the scriptures clearly you realize all the debating is vain.

          Each human being in reality is responsible for himself no matter how many people come along to obfuscate that fact through philosophical games.

          I don’t need to debate because I can study to know things.

          Some people are masters at subterfuge and twisting the scriptures so they can no longer understand God. Why do I want to learn that?

          I want to learn God’s perspective and be able to apply it. Not learn the erroneous thinking of people on the most important matters pertaining to this life and the next.

          I already thought it all out and the philosophers many who are not followers of Christ are not changing my mind.

          Have a blessed day!

          • Brien

            Pretty bloody dumdum…
            Those are just words…silly words parrotted for centuries…

            Now – try to think like an adult…

            We said ‘evidence’ – not crap!

            So – based on your rubbish here – you obviously https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4ccef2bd35799b6ae5bbcd596b01969f340790bb1baeecfe4ae7c9871cc54dac.jpg have no proof for your gods….

          • Matthew 22:37

            Well have a nice day.

            May I suggest you look for your own evidence not debate.

            You might be the victim of the shallow ideas of people who didn’t seek to find everything out for themselves.

            Personally, I would never deny God’s existence without firm proof that He doesn’t exist.

            So far atheists duck proving that God doesn’t exist.

            I also no longer debate because I find my own mind satisfactory to decide on the merits of God’s case and testimony as outlined in the Bible.

            There is no way to know anything about God unless He reveals something.

            I am sorry atheists taught you to devalue your own mind.

            If your own mind isn’t good enough to evaluate God’s testimony and make a value judgment then how is it good enough to evaluate evidence?

            God did not make things hard. Unbelievers do.

            God said faith is by hearing. So obviously He expects us to use our minds.

            Of course, if someone has chosen to teach you how to block and devalue your own mind and raise the bar higher than God does then maybe you should think about why you would trust them ahead of God.

          • Brien

            Infantile and immature….

            You make it quite obvious that you cannot and will not prove any gods….

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/042799bc12732316d7a6c5f5b55adc06116ff4d565cb98d76d17eee709d8569e.jpg

          • Matthew 22:37

            Sorry there is no burden of proof on me because I am not an atheist and God said philosophy is vain.

            Christians do not propose the existence of God.

            Christianity is not circularly reasoned.

            God is the Revealer of Truth. So He is outside the circle giving revelation so there is no circular logic involved as is commonly supposed and taught in atheist circles.

            Draw a flow chart. The logic is not circular.

            If God is in the third heaven what makes you think science can find Him?

            There is no reason that you have to listen to me. I don’t believe in trying to force my beliefs on anyone.

            Why should I when you can take responsibility for yourself and seek or appeal to God on your own?

            Christians are like a weathervane. We only point to what we know and believe to be true.

            If you want to substitute science for your own mind what can I do except point out that it has never been shown that science has authority over the metaphysical.

            If you want to dismiss the metaphysical and go strictly by science that is up to you but personally I would go the seeking route before attempting what could be a false substitution.

            If 1 does not equal 2 what makes you think you can put science in the place of the metaphysical?

            Be sure no one tricked you.

            Must be going now. I am not in the best of health and I feel more at peace and more like my health will improve when not subject to controversy all the time.

            There is peace and security in believing and trusting in God, y’know.

            So I hope you will seek the godly relationship and don’t let anyone rob you of it with a false value substitution.

            Take care!

          • Brien

            You weren’t even taught to lie properly…

            You claim the god – You must prove that claim – but you don’t seem to be in the real world any more…

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a09666eb476d6fda423a2a2b15a6d357d36f71c6f9939c769dd35f759b85e91c.jpg

            …there are no gods….

          • Matthew 22:37

            Done reading you.

            Bye!

          • Brien

            You were done before you started – You started with a parroted lie… and refused to even question the lies taught to you… Yeah … you are done!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/37ac9722980bfe1c76f773e062feff5cc48f76063bd839ddb54797a0d6408dd1.jpg

          • Matthew 22:37

            I parroted a lie?

            What about that lying propaganda pic you posted claiming the children of atheists were saner than theists?

            What nonsense. Atheists are not free as a group of mental health problems. I met 2 online who claimed they were bipolar and another one mentioned he was on psyche meds.

            Was Stalin sane?

            Who are you to post such lying propaganda claiming atheists are all mentally stabler than theists?

            What a load of bunk when there are atheists who will admit to mental health issues without you even asking them.

            I would seek to know God if I were you. It is the more responsible route.

            Atheists. The guys who cannot disprove God’s existence yet want to take a stance and insist against His existence authoritatively.

            How can you be authoritative without disproving God’s existence? You assume it because it suits you. Then build a case against the existence of God on assumption.

            You should have sought to know God but instead you gave up and built a lot of lies on that assumption.

            Trolling Christians claiming to be mentally more competent than they when everyone has a sin nature including atheists.

            That you think you are saner than a theist is an assumption.

            If God exists you are not saner than He is.

            God’s people sanity could improve because they follow a legitimate authority.

            Read testimonies. Some Christians claim their mental health improved because they believed in God.

            You are so loaded with lying atheist assumptions/propaganda now that you are trolling theists with pictures when the picture’s claim is falsifiable. Even many atheists would say your mental health claim is false.

            Have a great day. Done here. Just wanted you to examine your loaded assumption. It is filled with error.

          • Brien
          • Matthew 22 :37 is not in the real world. She lives in a world of her own make believe.

          • Gail Kathryn

            Again! You begin with an inappropriate insult…You wrote above, “You weren’t even taught to lie properly”. Again, Please go away and seek the professional mental health treatment you clearly are in need of. And its a real shame you have never even read a bible, because the wisdom + instructions on how decent people behave, would certainly help you, whether or not you believe in God. Well regardless, just like bible says, “God Hates Liars”, and so do I, so your calling anybody (you don’t even know) a liar, is being intentionally abusive, “to your neighbors”…Jesus said, The two greatest commandments, are to LOVE God and LOVE your neighbors…Guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you can’t even pretend to respect or “like” your neighbors, online? Very sad – I’m hoping (praying) you get better – And whether or not you believe in God or not, I’m certain he does help those in the most need, even when they are unable to seek the help themselves – So I encourage others to pray for your recovery too; (Angry, insulting, vile, unreasonable personalities always cause unnecessary harm to others).

          • Brien

            ”…being intentionally abusive,”
            Religions must be mocked, ridiculed and insulted as they make claims, and refuse to back up those claims ….. yes – you have earned all the abuse that you get!

            You can shove your victim card and just prove your god or shut up with this absurd feigned umbrage…

            Jesus and Mo cartoons

            http://www.jesusandmo.net/comic/grave/?fbclid=IwAR0llDnt9FtLd4_is1LxKRuh7BTb4N74fIFL2SsO4HtVMnhu8MtXkZgSOi8

          • The burden of proof is upon you because you are the one alleging that some kind of god exists. If God does not exist, then God said nothing. If God does not exist, then he cannot reveal any of the so-called claims to truth that you allege that he claims.

            God is in the third heaven so you allege, but what evidence do you use to support such a claim? Is your claim all make believe? Is it the same type of claim that you make for fairy stories? No-one is forcing their beliefs on you.

            You Christians don’t state what you know is true? How do you know it? You simply believe its true, and usually without any real evidence. “I don’t believe in trying to force my beliefs on anyone”. Oh, not half! The metaphysical cannot be put in the place of science. It’s completely unreliable. And all your religious metaphysical gobbledegook is just nonsense.

            What you love to do is preach it people, pontificate from on high with your so-called aura of infallibility and expect people to fall down at your feet, without questioning your gobbledegook.

          • Gail Kathryn

            You (again) rudely began with INSULTS to others. Above, you wrote, “Infantile and immature”. Again, not acceptable behavior…Your interaction here is not about discussing or debating anything – you clearly just enjoy insulting others – Very sad. Please try to get some professional mental health treatment ASAP. Although I am concerned about you, anybody who behaves unreasonably and repeatedly bullies or insults others, must be BANNED from posting online. People have tried to decently interact with you (since you clearly need some guidance), but it seems obvious it does/will not help you. From my prior response today, It is best to NOT try to reason with unreasonable people. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/prescriptions-life/201201/dont-try-reason-unreasonable-people. Best wishes to you, but please do NOT attempt to insult me or anybody again. Unacceptable and will not be tolerated. (Now would be a really good time for you to apologize to all those here you have insulted or tried to bully) – What do you T.H.I.N.K.? If you are unable to respond in a Helpful. Inspiring. Kind manner…Please just say Nothing, (aka STFU).

          • Brien

            Oh oh ….’must be BANNED from posting online…’!
            Typical religious attitude when they know that they cannot prove their gods….
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5a0db39f1b724ca46bfc437042b27f4b39eab19456c6fc0fc2789bc644b6b3b.jpg
            Yep Yep, y’all jest kip etin’ them thar smart pills…. ”ah done sayd that thar is uh gawd – so that thar’s ma pruf…”.

            Just prove your gods and all this goes away….but until you do….

          • Do you try to prove the NON-EXISTENCE of fairies or leprechauns or an invisible tea pot circling the moon? Of course not! You would consider it a waste of time trying to prove the nonexistence of these invisible beings. Does this mean therefore that these entities exist? Only a lunatic would believe that. If a person is going to believe in invisible beings, the burden of proof is upon the one alleging such a claim.

          • Gail Kathryn

            Many kind people here have tried to help you to understand THEIR point-of-view and beliefs, but your repeated inappropriate and rude remarks, further convinces me you should be blocked/banned here. It is not a discussion when your primary goal is to insult and demean others. E.G. You said above, you think their response is “crap” – Did you T.H.I.N.K.? Not ok. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/prescriptions-life/201201/dont-try-reason-unreasonable-people

          • Brien

            Yep – can’t prove your claims so best to go Lalalala and block the mouth [gee, too bad you can’t burn us at the stakes like your all used to….] https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cc7846bef5bb15773fe25d6eece41f79bba61c56ab92c37c8b665d7692bf80c8.jpg

          • Gail Kathryn

            Honestly, today I wish I could (“burn”
            all those that are unrighteous, evil, mean, annoy me, etc. “at the stake”)…But when I feel that mad or angry, I’m wise enough to seek things that nourish and
            guide me, (#1 being Jesus and the bible), so I can behave like a decent,
            loving/kind/comforting Christian person is expected to. Will I fail?
            IDK- I’ll keep you posted – And if I curse at you today, like I’ve
            wanted to in response to your (unnecessary) insults to people here, it
            is a good reminder to you, that everybody, including Christians are not
            always right, and they sin, and WHY they NEED Jesus/God to be the best
            they can be. This (biblical) wise advice (article) I always keep close
            to me for quick help: “20 REASONS TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT””:
            E.G. Proverbs 21:23 “Whosoever keepeth his mouth and his tongue, keepeth his soul from trouble.

          • Brien
          • How is so-called general revelation God’s proof of himself? Which God is it supposed to prove? Allah, Yahweh, Thor, Zeus, Jupiter, etc.? Don’t you presuppose that the Christian God exists? That it is the God of the bible that has revealed himself (so-called special revelation), then on that basis you presuppose that God has shown himself in general revelation (in nature)?

            None of this proves that God exists. You have not been able to do this without already assuming that God exists. This is known as circular reasoning. It’s no good saying that God lies outside the circle. You are still trying to prove that he exists by assuming that he exists and by assuming that the bible is his Word.

        • Matthew 22:37

          What a lie. You just asserted above that religious training is child abuse and in the interest of saving children from child abuse the atheist pud comes over here to this blog several times a week and verbally assaults the pastor calling him a lunatic guilty of child abuse.

          That is not asserting something?

          Of course, those are assertions.

          Not only are they assertions they are unresearched rants.

          Rants are all about making assertions through appeals to emotion.

          Atheists go off on theists on the Net all the time.

          You know a Christian can over look a slight but if a person is out of control all the time then he needs to examine himself and correct his behavior. If he cannot do that on his own because he lacks sufficient self control then he needs to seek professional help.

          You really can’t go all out antagonistic on a group of people different from yourself all the time and not expect to be called on it and your misbehavior pointed out.

        • mike

          “Atheism asserts nothing.”

          And in doing so Atheism is intellectually honest as far as God’s existence is concerned. They have no logical claim to surety.

          Existence is binary…it is either yes or no. If a completely transcendent, supernatural (read that…other than natural), and infinite being exists we could never know it unless that being revealed it’s existence to us who are locked in the natural and finite. We, then, have the choice to receive or reject that revelation, if given, and we are left with three possible outcomes:

          1) God does not exist. A non-existent being cannot reveal it’s non-existence and so the atheist does not believe, is correct, and yet can not know for sure. The theist believes and, no matter how confident, is wrong.

          2) God does exist but has not self-revealed. The atheist does not believe, is wrong, and yet can not know for sure. The theist believes, is correct, and yet, no matter how confident, can not know for sure.

          3) God does exist and has self-revealed. The atheist does not believe, is wrong, and yet can not know for sure. The theist believes, is correct, and can know for sure because God’s self-revelation has been accepted.

          The theist may be wrong but he may also be correct and is the only one with a logical claim to surety. That is why honest atheism must only ever assert nothing in this arena.

          • Brien

            That twisted logic does not work in reality…(that is philosophy…)

            btw,. atheists do not ‘assert’ anything…. It is a conclusion from the constant requests for proving any gods…..

          • mike

            The existence of God is widely held to be non-disprovable. That’s why the Flying Spaghetti Monster is such a good parody. The logic from there is very straightforward. Even Richard Dawkins is unwilling to state that he knows God does not exist. He understands the limits of atheist theology.

          • Brien

            An atheist is just somebody who feels about Yahweh the way any decent Christian feels about Thor or Baal or the golden calf. As has been said before, we are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.
            Richard Dawkins on militant atheism,

          • mike

            That is a departure from the definition of atheism. If I believe in Yahweh then that theistic belief excludes Thor and the exclusion is a part of that theism not just some kind of immature atheism. You cannot be an atheist about most of the gods: That is not atheism.

          • Brien

            Just prove the claim that a god exists…..

            (instead of waffling on about English definitions….)

            The Bible is One, Single, Solitary book –
            and that is the total extent of your evidence to prove your god???

            http://bibviz.com/?fbclid=IwAR1lE2rjyNb0eTJvW7xLODLdNN-Eb0c1n1SGAELUYREAbhw4pwSXoXIrV0M

            ——–

            Reasons for deciding that God cannot exist:

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/atheism/beliefs/reasons_1.shtml https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/faea0864cd8086a98d3ddb0e22c4a0645fb04434b1ea943af1a08537c9aa15fa.jpg

          • mike

            There’s a couple of links in this thread that say “If your God was real He wouldn’t need you to prove His existence.”

            True dat.

          • Brien

            Religious faith, for Dawkins, is above all a sign of faulty thinking, of ignorance; he wants to educate the ill-informed out of their mistakes. He sees religion, as he once put it on Twitter, as “an organised licence to be acceptably stupid”.

          • Gail Kathryn

            Dear BRIEN, You’ve made your point, over and over and over, here. It is really annoying that you keep coming back to stir up STRIFE and/or get attention or whatever it is you are doing. Honestly it is a sign of mental illness when somebody becomes so obsessed with obtaining approval or attention from others. Look-up in the bible the word STRIFE. You clearly and REPEATEDLY have stated nobody and no information can change your mind about God, so please just go away quietly This is a “religious website; You stated you do NOT believe in religion of God or Jesus Christ, so why do you keep coming back here? (I realize you have a personality disorder or mental illness, but somebody =Me, had to step in and clearly tell you to go away. Thank you. And btw, after looking up “Strife”, suggest you also check the definition of “FAITH” – 1 word, clearly explains why we all BELIEVE IN and LOVE GOD. I’m sorry you lack faith, but that is your choice that I will respect (from afar). I also need to mention, that with maturity almost all people realize + accept it is those things (facts) that are UNSEEN that are the most real + truthful. A child doesn’t get that, if they can’t see it they do not understand that it still and really does exist. Think about it. And one last remark to you. Personality vs. character= Personality is what you are pretending to be and what you want others to believe about you, aka as “acting”. Character is what and who YOU REALLY ARE= the truth, when you are unable to pretend, which all Christians know as “what is truly in your heart” and what “God KNOWS”. You can not know why/how another person truly thinks or believes, so please stop trying and be most or only concerned with yourself and whatever it is that motivates and nourishes you (spirituality). U r U and I am Me + Just let it be! Have a Peaceful, Positive + Productive day. Bye!

          • Brien

            NO!
            You have a lie!
            and you are being told that your beliefs are lies….!!

            It is really annoying that religions keep coming back to stir up STRIFE, and to get attention or whatever it is they are doing! (see how that works yet??)

            Mental illness:
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4173112/?fbclid=IwAR3I9qs-NJYyWhtuvAXn4gehdGoBPS-AzZM8efJoti-LDSk6n_qQp5GIpts

            Religious delusions are common and are considered to be particularly difficult to treat.

            Btw, the definition of ‘faith’ is a belief with a total lack of evidence – ie a LIE!!

            Bottom line = Prove your god exists; or remain https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13439e72cfdf0a1f68dbf02386c169676d08ac5c7ddf81071d149c3b2f503355.jpg the known liars that you all are….

          • Matthew 22:37

            Atheists love to rant and rave against theists and suicide bombings in particular. Oblivious to the fact that many of the bombings in recent history have been carried out by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka who have been influenced by atheistic Marxist-Leninist political philosophy.

            An interesting read is “Those Atheist Terrorists” on Godweb.org and also “Is atheism a mild form of mental disorder “ on justonegod.blogspot.com.

            According to Professor Robert Pape of the University of Chicago the phenomenon of suicide bombing is political not religious.

            Pape said “There is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world’s religions.”

            Certain countries may use Islam as a recruiting tool but it is in service to a political not a religious objective.

            Pape again:
            “What nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland.”

          • mike

            All of that is fine. My point is that he will not say that he KNOWS that there is no God. He is intellectually honest, albeit wrong and, in that, he has a leg up on most people of all beliefs.

          • Brien

            He has said that; besides which …Who Cares?!!!

            Just prove the god….. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/faea0864cd8086a98d3ddb0e22c4a0645fb04434b1ea943af1a08537c9aa15fa.jpg

          • mike

            You give the impression that if it were proven you would believe, but what if it has been proven and you just don’t like it?

          • Brien

            Stop it! just stop all these childish ‘if’s….
            Prove your god or bug off with the lies….. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c0e726f765d4edabdb2b46a49c741e6001f9fcc451fe79373999eb7cf769175.jpg

          • mike

            “I can’t be sure God does not exist… On a scale of seven, where one
            means I know he exists, and seven I know he doesn’t, I call myself a
            six… That doesn’t mean I’m absolutely confident, that I absolutely
            know, because I don’t.”- Richard Dawkins

            https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9102740/Richard-Dawkins-I-cant-be-sure-God-does-not-exist.html

          • Brien

            So No gods here – just the usual crap to avoid and to evade.
            {religionists are the best liars – as they have to be since they know that they cannot prove their gods…]

          • Brien

            Now then, Let’s have the proof for a god….the god that is claimed! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1255f57511860c9767a2e6628fb61c0d0f2cf37171e46561bd54733cb87ad762.jpg

        • Matthew 22:37

          You need to google and read:
          The Scandinavian Skeptic (or: Why Atheism Is A Belief System) on AndyBannister dot net.

          This article gives 6 reasons why atheism is a belief system.

          Atheists acts on their beliefs.

          Better go read that 6 reason analysis and stop spreading poor logic on the internet.

          • Brien

            Better go read up on definitions – that is still called a deflection – and still considered a lie – Just be hoinest – You cannot prove your god….

          • Matthew 22:37

            Examine yourself. Don’t you display a bad attitude? Why would God give the gift of faith to someone who taught himself to despise God’s grace? To someone who would be disloyal to Him?

            Matthew 7:6
            6“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

            None of you so-called debaters needed to publicly debate at all. All the answers to all your questions and arguments are already explained in a book some where.

            But you like to make your public fuss.

            You like moaning and complaining and even criticizing God in public.

            What sort of bad spirit do you think you exhibit to everyone?

            Your bad spirit is your problem and whether or not you will repent of it is between you and God. God has already done His part.

            The question is when will you do your’s?

            Until then stop making your own rebellion which you make excuses for and refuse to deal with a problem for everyone else.

            A glimpse of history and human nature is proof of sin and the proof of Christ’s love for humanity was already given. That’s enough “proof” for anyone normal.

            Look inside yourself and ask yourself what makes you the exception to deny those proofs.

            I am tired of reading you now. Take responsibility for yourself or don’t if you don’t want to but stop whining over here on this evangelical blog.

            You have no business trying to turn a teaching blog into your personal pissing contest like a child throwing a tantrum publicly.

          • Brien

            Prove your god!

            We, in the real world are fed up with these lies from the religions!

            Prove your god exists — OR — just bugger off! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/faea0864cd8086a98d3ddb0e22c4a0645fb04434b1ea943af1a08537c9aa15fa.jpg

          • Matthew 22:37

            Here is a reply of mine some one on here spammed. Probably an angry atheist trying to silence me as if Christians should not have freedom of speech on a Christian blog.

            Spammed reply:

            Detected as spam Thanks, we’ll work on getting this corrected.
            You’re acting ridiculous. You are on an evangelical blog and don’t even know that you are spiritually blind.
            Read up on reprobation. Your mind is blocked by your rebellion. I couldn’t prove God to anyone who has willfully blocked his own mind towards God. A lot of people are grateful to Jesus. They don’t set themselves against him.
            Pray to God for the gift of repentance.
            Read 1 Corinthians 2. All of it. Focus on verse 14.
            New American Standard Bible
            14But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
            From Romans 9, NASB
            14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed [k]throughout the whole earth.” 18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
            I would pray in the will of God if I were you for the gifts of faith and repentance.
            God is the only one who can open one’s eyes to spiritual truth.
            The natural man can’t understand it.
            So your asking for proof just demonstrates you are a carnal not a spiritual person.
            I hope you become a seeker. It’s better than being a spiritually ignorant rebellious person in God’s eyes. He rewards seekers.
            Have a blessed day

          • Brien

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dd829b9f3001ebf994dc28c4009bfa8eef3d1e14090be25932bf627bdc3f644a.jpg Except for the inconvenient fact that …you have no facts…!!
            You have been asked to provide evidence for your god, and that your book of fables is NOT evidence of gods but of a book – a book ONLY!!

            You have chosen to block that fact from your mind as that would cause ‘cognitive dissonance’ in a medically diagnosed mental delusion: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4173112/?fbclid=IwAR3I9qs-NJYyWhtuvAXn4gehdGoBPS-AzZM8efJoti-LDSk6n_qQp5GIpts
            Religious delusions are common and are considered to be particularly difficult to treat.]

            and you continue to reply with silly platitudes from that book.

            You have every freedom to your speech anywhere you choose – but if you are asked to prove your claims and you evader, avoid and outright lie, then you do not have the meaning of ‘Freedom of Speech’.

            You are whining like a spoiled little brat who cannot get his way when proven out of line….

            You are digging your own hole and refusing to seek actual facts even when placed in front of you.

            Yes – your repeated absurdities over and over again constitute ‘spam’. (as is this whinging post…)

          • Brien

            Not teaching – spam and lies!! (certainly no proof (just more lies)).
            There are no gods – just deluded and stupid people who need the beliefs in their pathetic lives…
            [talk about childish whining – that’s all you are doing when told to bring proof for your gods…]

            You got Nothing….! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5001581bf2cd865b5b8bce90a327f27bd103656a2bd7a5051012153b39ea89f2.jpg

          • Matthew 22:37

            The truth is many atheists arguing against religion don’t trust or even like Christains.

            pud has said he doesn’t and another extreme atheist that I read online on another blog said he’d like to see all Christians dead.

            So if you don’t like or trust Christians then your demand for evidence from us is just a lying ploy to block a knowledge of God though some atheists use it as a pretext to draw near Christians and verbally stone us.

            How are you moral practicing self deception and persecuting Christians with verbal abuse?

            If you were rational and moral you would get your own evidence. You have no case disproving God so why argue with Christians at all?

            It is irrational to demand that people you don’t trust or like supply proof particularly when God says in Romans 1 that He already supplied it.

            If you are unwise enough to question God on this point then you need to get your own proof.

            If you won’t believe on what He already supplied then you are not going to accept any proof that a Christian supplies.

            You have reprobated yourself just like the Bible says can occur only you don’t know it.

            Really? You want evidence to be supplied by people you hate and distrust? Your inner attitude will make you cavalierly reject any evidence I supply because you don’t like the source: Christians.

            Because you don’t like Christians and are suspicious of them doesn’t mean evidence doesn’t exist so it behooves you to locate your own evidence or shut up about it.

            Otherwise your claim to need evidence is mere sophistry arising from your own self deception.

          • Brien

            There are no gods – and you know it (by these very stupid and shallow deflections https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1e2eb5927148006dafb0930d2b56a80b8fd504eb8f4995bc7ae59c4821a70db5.jpg ) Grow up….

          • Matthew 22:37

            Done here.

            Can’t reason with a mental lightweight who’s been brainwashed by shallow propaganda can I?

            Your mind needs a complete over haul. That is why God calls us to repentance.

            Off with the old and on with the new.

            Quite a few sinners have a fear of change but social progress depends on change over time.

            I am stunned that you would attack God and theistic ideas when you have not even bothered mastering God’s perspective.

            Get Darwin’s fossils or get off this blog demanding proof as if you have a personal right to additional proof.

            You are not special. God already gave the proof. See Romans 1 and read the Gospels. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

            And don’t tell me to grow up. I am probably older and wiser than you boy.

            You didn’t even bother to master God’s perspective. But then how could you without God’s help. Saul of Tarsus had God’s help but before he received his attitude adjustment on the Road to Damascus from Jesus he had faith in the right God and reverence for Him.
            Saul had a partial foundation even though the Pharisees mistaught him.

            You have no foundation at all. Since you have rejected wisdom to stay in sin and air your ignorant pride publicly all over this blog.

            So you grow up, grasshopper.

            I have better things to do than correct you all day. I just found an app to start studying Hebrew so I can continue to refine God’s perspective.

            You have a backward understanding of His perspective because you never wanted or applied yourself to truly know anything about it. You are too busy complaining and making crass, perverted jokes.

            Hope He blesses you with grace and a deeper thinking ability some day. I am out of here and contact with the madness of your unfaithful, irreverent, blasphemous ideas. Who did you
            get them from? Satan? The world? Did you even bother to do a character or credential check before absorbing all that filthy propaganda? Of course not and you have your personal motives for thinking and acting so carelessly.

            So count me out on reading your blasphemy. You can explain it to God on Judgment Day.

            May He Bless You With the Gifts of Faith, Reverence and Repentance before then!

            Bye. Feel free to change sides and become a genuine seeker any time you want. Atheism is just the label on the unwashed cup y’know. God can change your substance i.e. character if you ask with all humility, love and respect. He respects people who can admit they are wrong with a contrite heart. He’s not a grudge holder like a lot of people in this world are.

            Peace Be With You!

          • Brien

            Then Leave – all you have is crap copied from a comic book….
            [never a shred of evidence – just parroted idiocies from a bronze aged book] https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1ebca5e12ab0735ad9c852bf11112b8d0f03197fc57cddd144ad3f4c5b6d51ce.jpg

          • Matthew 22:37

            I am returning you to block.

            Bye.

          • Brien

            Mi https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/faea0864cd8086a98d3ddb0e22c4a0645fb04434b1ea943af1a08537c9aa15fa.jpg ght as well since you are obviously unable to prove your gods….

          • Brien

            No Evidence = No Proof ,’, = No gods….!!

            Simple – Even for simpletons….!

          • Matthew 22:37

            We have proof. Multiple kinds of proof.

          • Brien

            You have shown no proof – zero proof – NOTHING – ZIP!!!
            You have no gods!!!
            Simple – even for a simpleton to understand….

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4173112/?fbclid=IwAR3I9qs-NJYyWhtuvAXn4gehdGoBPS-AzZM8efJoti-LDSk6n_qQp5GIpts

            Religious delusions are common and are considered to be particularly difficult to treat.

            https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cogs.12138

            ”…exposure to religious ideas has a powerful impact on children’s differentiation between reality and fiction, not just for religious stories but also for fantastical stories.”

            Keep the Lies about gods away from children!

            {this is the sort of stupidity we expect to hear from third-world shitholes that have no education systems…….} https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8be02195ad950dfc11299d85d053b78f4c2bdf1dc9da0e4d5f02d3e2a33e13d5.jpg

          • You haven’t supplied any proof. Do you know what a proof is? If you have multiple kinds of proof, as you claim to have, then show them. Even a lunatic can claim to prove something, but not show us what it is.

      • Too bad that religious propaganda has deceived you. If faith is a gift of God, then show us that God exists. If God does not exist, then faith cannot be a gift from God. It is a delusion on your part.

        Atheists do not have propaganda, but religious crackpots do. Atheism is simply the absence of belief in any god. But you religious gurus keep making up religious nonsense and play all sorts of philosophical games to justify your claims. You do everything you can, except provide evidence. You need to see the light of day.

    • Gail Kathryn

      IGNORE, REMOVE + BAN ALL THOSE (such as “Brien”)

      WHO EXPRESS RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE + BIGOTRY ON THIS SITE…

      • Matthew 22:37

        pud, just admitted to me yesterday that he comes to the Christian Crier to deprogram people. Without a psychiatric license, I am sure.

        He has been claiming to want to engage believers in debate for years but it seems he had this hidden agenda to deprogram people and says he holds Christians in contempt.

        As far as I can tell he’s probably a narcissist engaging in trying to hurt believers’ self esteem. That is what all the rage and insults and coarse talk seem to be attempting to do.

        He’s willfully negligent of the fact that it’s hate speech.

        There are a lot of narcissists trolling online. pud just took it to the next level. He thinks he can play pretend psychologist deprogrammer on the net with people he doesn’t know.

  • Brien
    • Matthew 22:37

      Quote from Tom Gilson’s article “RICHARD DAWKINS’ ANTI-SCIENTIFIC HYPOCRISY” on ThinkingChristian.net:

      If religious training is thought to be child abuse, an obvious scientific hypothesis follows: Children with religious upbringings should show some of the symptoms that are typical of abused children?-end quote

      World famous atheist Richard Dawkins advances his idea that religion is child abuse in his book The God Delusion but the research was done on this and published in a book before Dawkins wrote The God Delusion. Dawkins never checked the scientific studies though or chose to ignore them so he could go around making fallacious appeals to emotion that religion is child abuse.

      Read the results of that study in the Christian Thinking.net article.

      Dawkins conclusion that religion is child abuse was disproven by that sociological study led by sociologist Christian Smith. The study is called the National Study of Youth and Religion. The results were published in the 2005 book, Soul Searching: The Religious and Spiritual Eyes of American Teenagers (with co-author Melinda Lundquist Denton), published by Oxford University Press.

    • Gail Kathryn

      Since your bold banner does not support anything factual or true, but instead clearly is intended to insult and antagonize others, you do not even know, it is offensive and should be removed. AGAIN I urge you to look-up the definition of “FAITH” – You do not have to believe in God to read + understand simple words…And although I know you can not comprehend reason, VOLUMES of medical + psychiatric research + studies, always PROVE spirituality fosters good health, etc. E.G. Psychology Today and other NON-religious sources state, “SOME OF THE MOST RESPECTED individuals in the history of psychology–William James, Gordon Allport, Erich Fromm, Viktor Frankl, Abraham Maslow and Rollo May–have made spirituality a major focus of their work. And Carl Jung went so far as to say that spirituality was such an essential ingredient in psychological health that he could heal only those middle-age people who embraced a spiritual or religious perspective toward life.”. If you do not know who Carl Jung is, he is considered the Founder of Analytical Psychiatry. SPIRITUALITY + “FAITH” is necessary for good health and healing…Your abusive nature and obvious personality disorder, really needs to be removed from this online, public site…I am a very loving and caring person, but have zero tolerance for both evil + abuse, especially in the form of invisible bullying done online too much, these days. Please apologize to those you have intentionally insulted, and go away peacefully with a bit of self respect remaining. I have not had the time to inquire about who runs this site, but I promise you I or someone, soon, will make certain you lose the right to post here. Nobody should allow abuse or intolerance (including RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY) in public. http://www.religioustolerance.org/relbigot.htm FYI, Even Donald Trump (POLITICIAN) recently has spoken out against religious bigotry – So I don’t get why it is being tolerated here? https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/01/31/trump-calls-democrats-religious-bigotry-crisis-for-our-country/

    • Gail Kathryn

      IGNORE, REMOVE + BAN ALL THOSE (such as “Brien”) WHO EXPRESS RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE + BIGOTRY ON THIS SITE.
      I love + have FAITH in God; If you do not, either be polite/kind or go away – Thank you.

  • Elephile

    “They that mourn… shall be comforted” when all creation, across all time and space, from the smallest to the largest, is given the fullness of the life of the lamb. No exceptions; no conditions.

  • Brien

    Mention a god – bring your proof of that god before making empirical statements about your imaginary friend.

    [there is nothing in nature or the universe that needs the effect of any gods] https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95663c7b0abc0291ae6c5e35bbf5d9c1f964caf0a9fb3fd4ac22720169e3663b.jpg

    • Gail Kathryn

      IGNORE, REMOVE + BAN ALL THOSE (such as “Brien”) WHO EXPRESS RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE + BIGOTRY ON THIS SITE.

      • Brien

        Yes – Intolerant towards the lies of your religions!!

        Just go ahead and prove your claims of your gods….

        [btw, screaming and yelling in CAPS does NOT make you more right – just more of a nuisance…]

  • Brien
    • Gail Kathryn

      IGNORE, REMOVE + BAN ALL THOSE (such as “Brien”) WHO EXPRESS RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE + BIGOTRY ON THIS SITE. I, and my God refuse to be PERSECUTED by Atheists.

      (This “PATHEOS” is not a place for those who reject, are intolerant of, religion + spirituality).

  • Brien

    There seems to be some problems with common sense and the ability to use logic and the intelligence of our evolved brain; this might help the more stubborn of you:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4173112/?fbclid=IwAR3I9qs-NJYyWhtuvAXn4gehdGoBPS-AzZM8efJoti-LDSk6n_qQp5GIpts

    Religious delusions are common and are considered to be particularly difficult to treat.

    ——

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cogs.12138

    ”…exposure to religious ideas has a powerful impact on children’s differentiation between reality and fiction, not just for religious stories but also for fantastical stories.”

    Keep the Lies about gods away from children! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6a651bdc7a849aed6d39f5002157a0ce1dfb82366b8930692bfde3c19f2c852f.jpg

    • Gail Kathryn

      “IGNORE, REMOVE + BAN”

      -YES, THAT MEANS YOU, BRIEN + YOUR POSTERS THAT REVEAL, YOU ARE A RELIGIOUS BIGOT!

      • Brien

        Yes – I have always stood against lying –
        I am truly a bigot against lying to children!
        You cannot prove your gods so you attack with ridiculous accusations to assuage your failings.

  • Brien

    Hilarious!!
    Doesn’t get her way so she wants to do the modern equivalent of burning others who disagree to be burnt at the stake.
    (this is the sort of person who would go after other women who bothered her by accusing them of witchcraft and having them ‘banned’!)

    You are beginning to sound disturbed – seriously disturbed: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c0e726f765d4edabdb2b46a49c741e6001f9fcc451fe79373999eb7cf769175.jpg

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4173112/?fbclid=IwAR3I9qs-NJYyWhtuvAXn4gehdGoBPS-AzZM8efJoti-LDSk6n_qQp5GIpts

    Religious delusions are common and are considered to be particularly difficult to treat.

    [you have been told – Often – to prove your god’s existence – and all this goes away….]

    Don’t go away until you do!!

    • Brien

      ””Gail Kathryn:
      Brien
      Honestly, today I wish I could (“burn”
      all those that are unrighteous, evil, mean, annoy me, etc. “at the stake”)…But when I feel that mad or angry, I’m wise enough to seek things that nourish and
      guide me, (#1 being Jesus and the bible), so I can behave like a decent,
      loving/kind/comforting Christian person is expected to…..””

      Spoken like a true christian – So,… now… who should be banned..?…? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cdf2b5bb90757f9017bf4eb84bae27f330b1270e0a7dcc496b2892a106440483.jpg

      • Matthew 22:37

        Truly, you are owned by Satan. You deliberately misread into her post. Or else your mind is twisted and refuses to comprehend the truth.

        Why didn’t you post her whole post?

        All she said was being in the presence of evil appealed to her old base sinful nature and admitted that was a bad thing so she turns to Jesus to suppress evil ideas that probably come from her old flesh nature so she can be a better person.

        You make no attempt to suppress evil, Brien, so you display your evil mockery and post twisting all over this blog.

        Here is her full post:

        Gail Kathryn Brien 2 days ago
        Honestly, today I wish I could (“burn”
        all those that are unrighteous, evil, mean, annoy me, etc. “at the stake”)…But when I feel that mad or angry, I’m wise enough to seek things that nourish and
        guide me, (#1 being Jesus and the bible), so I can behave like a decent,
        loving/kind/comforting Christian person is expected to. Will I fail?
        IDK- I’ll keep you posted – And if I curse at you today, like I’ve
        wanted to in response to your (unnecessary) insults to people here, it
        is a good reminder to you, that everybody, including Christians are not
        always right, and they sin, and WHY they NEED Jesus/God to be the best
        they can be. This (biblical) wise advice (article) I always keep close
        to me for quick help: “20 REASONS TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT””:
        E.G. Proverbs 21:23 “Whosoever keepeth his mouth and his tongue, keepeth his soul from trouble.

        Gail Kathryn is sensitive to evil trying to upbraid her and you are not. You have probably seared your conscience in your rebellion against God like the Bible says can happen.

        I hope you repent one day and ask like David did in Psalm 51 for God to create a clean new heart in you.

        You judged Gail Kathryn without judging your own evil first.

  • Brien

    ”’Gail Kathryn:
    Brien
    Honestly, today I wish I could (“burn”
    all those that are unrighteous, evil, mean, annoy me, etc. “at the stake”)……”’

    Spoken like a true christian…. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/546748e5a060a885cbd321424b26940b876d35d84cfe3e6126f6c2ec3e20848a.jpg