My Son’s in Prison – Ministering to Mothers of Prisoners

My Son’s in Prison – Ministering to Mothers of Prisoners February 20, 2019

In many prison ministries, mothers are often forgotten, but ministering to mothers of prisoners should also be a part of a prison ministry.

My Son’s in Prison!

I once received a message from a mother that just broke my heart. She said, “My son murdered my grandson…now he’s in prison for life! What am I going to do? I can’t go on. Please help me.” She was at a loss about what to do and I was at a loss about what to say. I cannot even imagine how hard this must have hurt her. Most of the times when I’m at a loss for words, I just listen. I can pray for their son and pray for her, sometimes praying over the phone if she asks. It was one of the most heartbreaking messages I’ve ever received. When I preach or visit prisoners, I often hear them talk about their mother. They sometimes ask me to contact them and help them deal with this trial. Frequently, when men and women prisoners are ministered to, their parents are forgotten, but the inmates I know won’t let me forget! More often than not, the fathers are either disconnected from their son’s life, therefore they have little knowledge of what’s going on, or in some cases, don’t care to know about it. A few fathers are still connected to their sons in prison, but our experience has been that about 95% of the time, their mothers are the only ones to keep in touch with their sons and daughters. Maybe the numbers of absent or apathetic fathers didn’t help to prevent their children from going to prison, but prisoner’s mothers are often the forgotten ones. I know there’s nothing really I can do besides pray and try to give them hope, but one thing that does help is looking at things through the eyes of God. In other words, if we see the long range picture and not just a snapshot of the moment, we can see how God can and might be working in their son’s or daughter’s life. That might not seem like much hope, but it is still hope.

Set Free in Prison

There are countless numbers of men and women (my wife writes some women prisoners) who have been saved while in prison. Often they describe a time where they’ve reached the very bottom, and all they can do is look up, but that’s just how God reaches people. When they’re humbled, God can get their attention, but God cannot heal what is first not broken. God is near the broken and crushed in spirit (Psalm 34:18). When you’ve reached the very bottom, there is only one way to look, and that is up. Many have come to saving faith and developed a personal relationship with Jesus Christ (Acts 4:12). Ironically, many prisoners are set free behind bars, while many in the world who think they are free are held captive by the god of this world (2 Cor 4:4). After many of these men hit rock bottom, they turned to the Rock. When they reached the point that they felt there was nothing more they could do, they knew that only God can help them now, but that’s just what He was waiting for. He changes these men and women’s hearts, which only He can do (Prov 21:1). It isn’t us or our church but the Spirit of God (2 Chron 32:8; Jer 17:5) that changes them into a new creation in Christ (2 Cor 5:17). They must still pay the consequences for their crimes, but not for their sins. Not after they’ve put their trust in Christ. Then they become the very righteousness of Christ (2 Cor 5:21).

A Mother’s Love

When I speak with mothers, it’s hard not to feel their pain. Of course, I don’t know what they’re going through, but I do know they may need someone to talk too. One lady says she brings her dump truck and unloads it all on me, and sometimes apologizes for it, but I tell her, “It’s okay. That’s why I am here.” I can sit and listen, if nothing else. I can promise her I’ll be praying for her son or daughter, but for her too. The mother’s often the only line of communication with the outside world that a prisoner has, but we can help them by being their legs out in the world, and many of these prisoners love that we keep in touch with their mothers. That makes them feel a little better about their mom, especially because most of these prisoners admit that they’ve hurt their mother…and most feel bad about that. Even here, we put our focus on the mercy of God Who forgives us of all our sins (1 John 1:9). Even if the courts don’t clear their records, God has. They may have been declared guilty by the state, but in the highest, supreme court of all, they’ve been declared “not guilty” by the blood of the Lamb. It was the truth that set them free (John 8:31-32).

The Forgotten

There are so many great prison ministries today, but one thing that a lot of them unknowingly neglect is that these men and women have mothers and fathers. Sadly, the majority of prisoners have little or no contact with their fathers. The fathers may have divorced or separated and so there was little interaction with their father anyway. There are a few fathers who are sometimes involved in their son’s or daughter’s life in prison, but in our prison ministry, only about 1 in 20 prisoners ever hear from their father. That’s why the prisoner’s mothers must not be forgotten. We can offer to be there for her in court; we can make sure the children get some Christmas presents; we can offer resources that they might not have known about, and various other things that she may not have tried or thought about. Mostly, we’re there for moral support and try to reassure her that God uses evil for good; even the evil from our own hands.

Conclusion

Countless mothers have gone through the pain of having a child in prison. If you know of a mother or father that has a son or daughter in prison, pray for them and ask God to uphold them and pray for their child too. Jesus once said, “For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me” (Matt 25:35-36), so in actuality, when we visit prisoners, and I believe visit their mother’s too, it is as Jesus said: “Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me” (Mat 25:40). Something’s seriously wrong if we do not do any of these things for the “least of these.”

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Christian Crier or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • pud

    Nothing quite like offering false hope, lies, bullshit to a captive audience eh janitor jack? Do you have any shame at all? You and they can pray your stupid brains out but NOTHING is going to come of it….more false hope peddled by liars con men and simple minded irrational buffoons such as yourself ….pitiful

    • Matthew 22:37

      Janitor Jack? You have quite the irrepressible superiority complex, don’t you.

      How is his audience captive online? Explain it to me.

      • pud

        He makes his living lying to people…vulnerable people and children. He peddles false hope, nonsense, superstition and outright falsehoods. Prisoners and their families are vulnerable targets just like the children he indoctrinates into your delusional cult. It isn’t that I’m superior it’s that he’s incredibly lowlife as are you.

        Demonstrate anytime in all of human history that “prayer” accomplished anything….waiting

        Explain the vanity and hubris of thinking your imaginary almightly will change his “plan” with your begging to cure your hangnail or make a convict feel better as a tsunami wipes out a quarter million praying people in one fell swoop.

        You can’t and you won’t because some small part of your brain that might still be functioning rationally knows that I’m right

        • Matthew 22:37

          Prayer changes people. One way it changes people is through the brain. I suggest you check into brain differences between theists and non-theists.

          Prayer like meditation has a beneficial affect on the brain.

          According to Scientific American:

          “Several studies have revealed that people who practice meditation or have prayed for many years exhibit increased activity and have more brain tissue in their frontal lobes, regions associated with attention and reward, as compared with people who do not meditate or pray.”

          Atheist Greta Christina wrote at the website Humananist.com:

          “A lot of atheists, humanists, and other nonbelievers are leery or dismissive of meditation and mindfulness. Some see it as an irretrievably religious or spiritual practice, and want no part in it. Others are put off by the faddish, overused, buzzword quality of the practice and the terminology. And I can understand that. For years, I stayed away from trying this stuff out, for exactly those reasons. I was interested in the practice—I had friends who did it, and who seemed to get a lot out of it. But I couldn’t find anyplace to learn that didn’t base their teaching on Buddhism or some other religion. And I’m too ardent an anti-religionist to “take what you need and leave the rest,” the way many nonbelievers do with religion. After all, I literally wrote the book on angry atheism. For me, trying to learn meditation in a Buddhist center would be like trying to learn meditation in a room full of fingernails scraping on blackboards.- end quote

          A 2004 study by Ellen Paek examined the extent to which religious orientation/behavior and found significant positive correlations were found between level of religious commitment and an individual’s perceived emotional intelligence.

          According to the prominent brain researcher Antonio Damasio and other brain researchers, emotions play a critical role in high-level cognition and allow individuals to make better decisions.

          Oh here’s a logical fallacy committed by some atheists:

          Like many atheists/agnostics, the new atheist Richard Dawkins often arrogantly claims that a person is an adherent of a particular religion purely due to their upbringing and environment. These same atheists often complain that religion is purely the result of religious indoctrination while ignoring the existence of atheist indoctrination.

          This type of fallacious thinking is an example of the genetic fallacy and ignores the existence of people changing their religion/worldview based on thoughtful consideration or due to divine intervention. For example, one of Christianity’s greatest evangelist was the Apostle Paul who was a zealous Jew who persecuted Christians until his experience with Jesus on the road to Damascus. In recent years there are many reports of Muslims receiving dreams/visions and becoming Christians.

          • pud

            Meditation is very healthy. Talking to an invisible non-existent figment of your imagination in your head and requesting favors from it is mental illness.

            Demonstrate the existence of “divine intervention”….oh wait…FAIL! Gee who coulda thunk?

            Demonstrate that the mental delusional story about paul seeing things is actually true…oh wait! FAIL! Gee, who coulda thunk?

            You are THE most GULLIBLE infantile human being I’ve ever interacted with. There is absolutely nothing that you wouldn’t or couldn’t believe.

          • Well said! Pud.

          • pud

            These people are incapable of rational thought. They all start with the presupposition that some ancient book written by ignorant savages is the absolute truth and all their efforts are focused on finding any means possible to support their worldview on the skin of quicksand where they stand. They are irrational, delusional, dysfunctional and impervious to logic, fact, truth, reason, evidence and reality. They defend the unreasonable and ridiculous against and in spite of all reason. It’s an amazing thing to witness and brings me back to one of my favorite quotes from a rational person….”This is the true horror of religion…that people by the billions can believe what only lunatics could believe on their own”

          • Yes!

        • Matthew 22:37

          pud Quote: It isn’t that I’m superior it’s that he’s incredibly low life as you are.

          I am convinced you have either a mental problem or a brain problem or both.

          Whatever your problem is, I’m not subjecting myself to you further. The only one lacking in social intelligence is you.

          You converse like a cave man.

          I would google the “atheism and brain” topic on conservapedia if I were you and take myself to a psychiatrist.

          Your amount of invectitude indicates you have a mental disorder and are in no fit condition to be judgmentally ragging on anyone else.

          There is research going on in the area of atheism and asperger’s syndrome and atheism and autism.

          If you have a brain or mental condition it is no wonder you post like someone with little to no self control.

          But your illness doesn’t give you free license to rage at people any more than it gave Hitler a license to persecute the Jews.

          Seek medical help. Bye!

          • pud

            Blocking me for the 25th time? And who’s the lunatic?

          • pud

            Seeing as EVERYONE is born atheistic and that EVERY religious lunatic is an atheist towards all other imaginary “gods” then EVERYONE must be autistic! Got it!

          • Matthew 22:37

            No everyone is not born atheistic but a high percentage of the human population suffers from insecure attachment issues from infancy. Read Curt Thompson, M.D. on it.

            Dr. Justin Barrett researched the question of whether or not people were born believers or not and wrote a book on his results called Born Believer.

            Go research with a shrink why you are so antisocial that you act like a xenophobic narcissist on the interwebs and are constantly fault finding and projecting evil onto people you don’t really know.

            Who knows maybe you have paranoid delusional disorder.

            But until you see a shrink to assess who really knows what you have except an excessively nasty attitude towards people different from yourself.

            Have a great day! At least if you visit the shrink you might learn to know yourself better so you can stop acting like an enraged zealot on the Internet.

          • pud

            Are you an atheist towards the 9999 “gods” not your own? Yes or No?

            Are you therefore autistic? Yes or No?

          • pud

            I do not read your lunatic apologists or psychotic religious lunatics bending the truth so that you can try and validate your absurd and delusional “beliefs” that have neither evidence or merit.

            You seem obsessed with me and my personality and completely incapable of addressing any of my questions …why is that?

            I’ve asked you numerous times to substantiate any of your ridiculous claims and assertions and yet you can only fall back on bizarre further claims about my nature or references to more delusional apologetic books and crazy people who like you cannot substantiate anything they claim…why is that do you think?

          • Matthew 22:37

            Meh. I see your level of self delusion is impenetrable.

            Bye. I will block you now. I already told you enough times to seek medical help.
            But some personality types refuse to.

          • pud

            “incurable attachment issues” ….like a “father” in heaven or a heavenly “mother”? Those kinds of incurable attachment issues?

          • Matthew 22:37

            I am going to say the same thing to you that I posted to Brien.

            Matthew 22:37 Brien an hour ago
            I have just named your logical fallacy in this post the authority fallacy.

            I think you have limited your own mental abilities by submiiting to a false authority.

            Remember Haman trying to force Mordecai to bow to him like he was God?

            A lot of the world likes to try to force people to surrrender their thinking capabilities and bow to their false gods. In your case you made science your god and are trying to mock/browbeat me into submitting to your false god.

            But I am a bit stubborn like Mordecai. I never bow to other people’s gods who don’t know God yet act like false ideas or other things are their gods.

            In your case I think you surrendered your mind to a false idol and now your thinking and emotional intelligence is compromised.

            Who cares if my mind is not despoiled by the manmade theory of evolution.

            Evolution is not even a perfect theory. It has been revised numerous times.

            My God given IQ is quite high. Maybe higher than your’s and I was not deceived into making a false idol out of science.

            You may have been deceived by the world into blinding your own mind to truth.

            But I am harder to deceive.

            Don’t bother responding. I know you have allowed sin to reign unopposed in your thoughtlife and that is bound to have wreaked all kind of damage.

            The unbelieving carnal people can never understand the greater spiritual truths.

            Your loss, I am sorry.

            Hope you repent some day. We all reap what we sow and you let the world sow a false science idol on you (into your head) and have now reaped spiritual blindness and all you can do is act nasty and seek out people where you adhominem attack them.

            Your own nastiness ought to be a red flag to you that sin exists and is operational within you.

            Without any willful opposition by yourself at all. You just gave yourself away to sin and want to pretend you are saner than a Christian is.

            pud the delusion is all yours.

            You let science sow a false doctrinal adherence to it in you.

            Well science is limited but nothing is impossible with God.

            You have limited your own mind and mental capability it seems.

            I went the God route. Nobody outranks God in my thoughtlife. Thanks be to God.

            Hope you see the light some day. All that darkness your mind is in could be making you nasty tempered.

            Mockery is civilized behavior? No, it is borderline insanity.

            It’s a sign of a lack of sensitivity and social intelligence.

            You let Satan reverse you into mental beasthood.

            Didn’t you know? The mind is the main battlefield that both God and the devil work through.

            Sorry you are deceived into worshipping yourself and your false god science.

            Look on the brightside. You can always humble yourself and repent or ask God for the help to do so if your pride is too great.

            What a burden intellectual pride is.

            I’d rather be humble and intellectually free.

          • Matthew 22:37

            In February of 2011, the American Spectator noted concerning a International Bulletin of Missionary Research (IBMR) report:

            The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding. Over 600 million Christians, including millions of Roman Catholics, are charismatic or Pentecostal.

            Another quote on global atheism:

            Atheists as a percentage of the world’s population have declined since 1970 and global atheism is expected to face long term decline.

            On July 24, 2013, CNS News reported:

            “ Atheism is in decline worldwide, with the number of atheists falling from 4.5% of the world’s population in 1970 to 2.0% in 2010 and projected to drop to 1.8% by 2020, according to a new report by the Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Mass.”

            The atheist Neil Carter wrote:
            Friends of mine have noted lately how biting and critical the atheist community can be, not only toward outsiders, but even toward its own members. Has there ever been a subculture more prone to eating its own than this one? I really don’t know. -end quote

            Before the internet, atheists were rather isolated. But now atheists can rip into each other mercilessly 24 hours a day via the internet. – from examingatheismblogspot.com

          • pud

            Atheists don’t breed like rabbits as religous lunatic do for the lord. Islam is the fastest growing delusional faith so you better hurry up and convert!

          • pud

            “Missionary research” LOL! Is that on the same shelf as “demonology 101?” or “angels are real cuz I saws one”?

          • Matthew 22:37

            That’s just compiling statistics. Is a missionary group incapable of compiling statistics?

            You’re such a confused individual and callous as well.

            And blind to your own bad representation of atheism as well.


            Ineffectiveness of French atheist mockery in modern France

            French scholars say, evangelicalism is likely the fastest-growing religion in France – defying all stereotypes about one of Europe’s most secular nations. In 2011, The number of evangelical churches increased from 769 to 2,068 in 2011.

            The tactic of employing mockery instead of reason has been ineffective in stopping the rapid growth of evangelical Christianity in modern France.

            On July 12, 2012, the Christian Science Monitor reported:

            “French scholars say, evangelicalism is likely the fastest-growing religion in France – defying all stereotypes about Europe’s most secular nation…
            Daniel Liechti, vice-president of the French National Evangelical Council, found that since 1970, a new evangelical church has opened in France every 10 days. The number of churches increased from 769 to 2,068 last year.


            Ridicule has been an ineffective tactic in modern France against the growth of Islam in France. The Washington Post declared in 2015: “One widely cited study by Pew from 2010 showed estimated that France had 4.7 million Muslims. At 7.5 percent of the population, this meant France had the largest Muslim population in Western Europe. A 2010 estimate projects the Muslim population to be 10 percent of France’s population by 2030.

            In April of 2010, the British academic and agnostic Eric Kauffmann declared that “the rate of secularisation has flattened to zero in most of Protestant Europe and France.”

          • pud

            You do not have the foggiest notion of “reason” Your entire worldview is “faith” based which is THE most dishonest position one can take. You did not arrive at the delusional place you find yourself though logic or reason…you found it through blind faith and baseless belief just as every other religious person on earth has.

        • Monty

          “Demonstrate anytime in all of human history that “prayer” accomplished anything….waiting”. I can demonstrate God answering prayer countless times in the last 55 years of my life. The problem is not with God answering prayer, but with you refusing to accept anything that does not fit into your twisted world view. The fact that I am alive now is an answer to prayer. But you won’t accept that. So your posts are pointless. As is your life, unfortunately.

          • pud

            Bullshit.You “claim” this and that which is NOT a demonstration that the cause you ascribe is indeed a fact. You being alive has nothing to do with “prayer” as millions die every year on bended knee don’t they? No, rational people don’t just “accept” your ignorant claims and assertions anymore than a rational person believes in alien abduction just because someone claimed to be abducted. You are not very bright are you?

    • Monty

      Pud puts on his usual display of ignorance mixed with bile to make utterly false statements. Never let the facts bother you pud! I’d be disappointed if you let the truth get in the way of your ridiculously false statements. I mean, millions of people all over the world testify to the reality of a God who answers prayer. Countless people receive tremendous blessing and help from the God who is real. Seriously, why don’t you get a life? Oh, you can’t. Jesus is the Life but you won’t believe Him.

      • pud

        A billion muslims “testify” to allah and mohammad…A billion hindus “testfy” to ganesh and hanuman the monkey god. Billions of people through the ages all “testified” to Zeus and Apollo, Thor and Poseidon…I guess by your non-standards everyone must be right simply because they “testified” right?

        • Monty

          I have no interest in other religions. I have a personal relationship with the Creator of the Universe, aka God, through Jesus Christ. You asked for evidence that God answers prayer. I gave it to you. You immediately dodge the answer and attempt to deflect it by throwing in unrelated objections. That is intellectually dishonest. You engage in ad hominem fallacies. Why you have to carry on this way is beyond my comprehension.

          • pud

            You have no clue what “evidence” is do you? A “claim” or “personal testimony” IS NOT evidence. Anyone can make a claim or assert something..does that make every claim a fact?

            Define “evidence”
            Demonstrate that any “god” has ever existed
            Demonstrate that prayer works
            Demonstrate that your “god” is “the” god
            Prove how it’s possible to have a “relationship” with an invisible undetectable agent

            You KNOW nothing…you’ve adopted a cult ideology and fill in all the blanks without regard for what is demonstrably true or false, what is factual, what can be shown and what makes common sense.

            You do not reason…you “believe” which makes you NO different than any other “believer” in any ridiculous idea or ideology. You are on the exact same footing as every human being who “believed” in some deity agent or supernatural force since we walked upright. You only claim and assert and have utter contempt for evidence, reality, truth, reason, logic, or common sense. You simply believe what you want to believe …make believe…the power of pretend.

          • Matthew 22:37

            The fact is undeniable. pud is spiritually blind and now has a depraved mind from suppressing a knowledge of the truth cf. Romans 1.

            If you allow sin to rule you and enough false ideas to be sowed in your head then their will be consequences to that.

            In pud’s case he is spiritually blind and attacking all sorts of Christians like a person with a deranged mind would.

            A lot of atheists project their own insanity onto Christians and then attack them. Sometimes verbally and sometimes physically and somtimes both ways at the same time.

            I don’t know why they have such poor impulse control but a lot don’t have good impulse control.

            Researchers are researching into links between atheism and alcoholism, obesity, asperger’s syndrome, autism, etc.

            But it is right in the Bible. God won’t force you to believe. He will release you over into a depraved mind if you refuse to acknowledge His Son and let him deal with your sin.

            God’s not a control freak. If you want to let sin and evil ideas consume you then He will leave you to them. Jesus already did everything for everyone at the Cross. There’s no special exception for the rebellious determined to stay in their sin no matter how much they rant and rave about evidence.

            That God stepped in and personally provided for people’s salvation is usually enough for people who aren’t out of their minds.

            Faith is by hearing. General revelation is God’s proof. The apostles were eyewitnesses providing eyewitness evidence.

            Your mind is good enough to assess all that unless you are crazy and want to substitute your own or someone else’s evidentiary standard for God’s.

            God gave beyond a reasonable doubt proof and some deranged scum bag comes along and says let’s change God’s proof to “a preponderance of evidence”.

            That’s what atheists do. The false authority substitution.

            Salvation is God’s work.

            Science has nothing to do with it.

          • Monty

            I agree. The problem pud and his ilk is that the god of this world has blinded their eyes. They perish because they refuse to accept God’s mercy, love and grace. It has nothing to do with logic or reason. Why such people are literally hell bent on refusing God’s mercy is beyond my comprehension, but I don’t live in their headspace so I will not judge. I’ll leave that to God!

          • Matthew 22:37

            Whatever you do don’t play crazy pud’s game.

            Jesus already proved everything on the Cross.

            But crazy people like to term twist, redefine everything, control you, force their thinking on you, etc.

            It may be some crazy form of thought control like a cult leader’s that they are engaging in.

            Just say “have a blessed day” and move on.

            Nothing seems to ever be wrong with an atheist according to them though atheism produced Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Marx, etc.

            But they are negatively hyper fixated on Christians.

            And atheism does have cults like Ayn Rand’s and the infamous Reverend Jim Jones’s cult.

          • Monty

            “The fool has said in his heart there is no God.” Arguing with a fool is pointless. I endeavor not to argue, just to point out the truth. There is a point when it is smarter just to quit, I agree. The trick is to recognise that point and refuse to get drawn in.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Excellent answer. I got drawn in for many years trying to re-educate them. But they helped confirm the Bible for me on an even deeper level. Not that I really needed the confirmation. But it was a way of actually doing God’s will where the need is greatest.

            John 7:17 English Standard Version (ESV)

            17 If anyone’s will is to do God’s[a] will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.

          • Matthew 22:37

            There is an excellent study on “the fool” on biblestudy.org by Deffinbaugh.

            Lots of sage advice in it.

          • Matthew 22:37

            If you run into any more of them tell them to try seeking because God rewards seekers. If you proved God to them then where is the reward for them in that?

            God rewards seekers.

            But seeking is for serious, soberminded people.

            At least you pointed them in the right direction.

            How do you discover God by playing by the world’s rules?

            You can’t. You need to follow His.

            Why would a good parent ever let his evil children control things?

          • Matthew 22:37

            Oops, gave you some wrong info. The fool study is on bible.org not biblestudy.org. I misquoted the site name,

          • Matthew 22:37

            That’s a very wise reply. Take care!

            I am a nondenominational Christian universal reconciliationist and I know because of their “issues” that God will put them in the Lake of Fire and purify them later.

            They could have passed through the baptism of fire in this lifetime but they had to waste this life by making things complicated.

            If you ever read their eisegesis you would know how confused they are.

            Look for the people with the teachable spirits. You will avoid a lot of confused contention that way and may actually be able to promote the Gospel cf. Job 28:28

          • Monty

            Likewise non-denominational. I’ve examined the UR position closely. I’m still neutral, although I would love it to be true. I have two dilemmas that I’ve yet to resolve. Firstly, how can a person be born again after they leave this life for the next? They suffer the “second death”. If they are not born again, they cannot even see the kingdom of God. I agree that the concept of hell that we get from Dante is wrong. Our God is the consuming fire, not some kind of literal fire pit. My other quandary is that it is God’s will that none should perish. Will God’s will not get done? I got saved because I realised that I was a sinner and that I would not be accepted into heaven. I knew very little about hell. I got properly convicted, even asking “what must I do?”. I’d never read the bible at that point. All I knew is that I did not want to face almighty God in my sinful state. Only the Holy Spirit can bring that conviction. Only the Holy Spirit can reveal Christ as Saviour. I am eternally grateful. I would not be typing this if Lord Jesus had not rescued me.

      • pud

        I don’t “believe” your book of fables or the lunatics who peddle your fiction….fixed it for you

        • Monty

          Exactly. You don’t and won’t believe. That is your problem, not mine. I enjoy my life. I would not swap places with anyone on the planet. You cannot change my mind because I know the truth. I know God. I know Jesus. Come over to Australia and meet me. I would be happy to give you the story of my life.

          • pud

            Only gullible fools “believe” ANYTHING. Whether you enjoy your life or not has no bearing on the truth. Some of us care more about what’s true than what feels good. You do not KNOW anything…you “believe” Period..full stop. I don’t care about the story of your life…most of yor religious lunatics had wretched lives and simply substitute one addiction for another.

      • pud

        Tell me what a “fact” is and how you KNOW a “claim” from a “fact”

      • Jack Wellman

        I feel sad for Pud for if she/he fails to repent (Rev 20:12-15). I am praying for her so please join with me. He/she is so lost and hurting and that’s probably why all the hatred being spewed toward Christians and God.