Discovering The Gifts Of The Spirit

Discovering The Gifts Of The Spirit February 22, 2019

How can you know which gift(s) of the Spirit you have? There is a way.

Gifts of the Spirit

The Apostle Paul has written a lot about spiritual gifts. To begin with, he says that “there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone” (1st Cor 12:4-6), and “To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good” (1st Cor 12:7). The first point is God is the One Who determines which gift is given to each person, and it is not for their own good but for the church’s sake, or “the common good.” Never are gifts given for the believer’s benefit, although it may help them develop spiritually, but they are intended for the Body of Christ. There are a “variety of activities” and “varieties of service,” but we must remember that it is God “empowers them all in everyone.” He deserves the glory for these gifts (Psalm 115:1), so both the gifts and the power are from God. We are, at best, an electrical cord…it is no good until it is plugged into something, and we must be connected to God by the Spirit, however, nothing will dampen a gift of the Spirit quicker than living in sin or being prideful. It is not we who are responsible for our gifts, but the Gift Giver. When we begin to elevate our gifts over the Giver of those gifts, then we’ve rendered our gifts useless to God. We might as well worship them! God resists the proud, but grace always flows downward to the humble (James 4:6).

One Spirit

There are other gifts of the Spirit, and it may be that some have more than one gift, but everyone who is born again has at least one gift. Paul says that “to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit” (1 Cor 12:8). For another it could be “faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit” (1 Cor 12:9), but notice that Paul repeats after each sentence that it is “by the one Spirit,” as if to remind us that it is all from God. I thing I’ve noticed is that when God dispenses His gifts, He has evenly distributed them throughout the Body of Christ. For example, there are not 15 teachers and no one with the gift of mercy. As Paul concludes, again he reminds the readers (and us) that it is “by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills” (1 Cor 12:11). Paul thought this was worth repeating a few times, indicating it’s importance, saying it is as God wills and not man, and it is by One Spirit that He distributes these gifts, not we who do it. There is not even a hint that we can choose these gifts or pray for these gifts, or make God change His mind. God has not given everyone the same gifts (1 Cor 12:3), and He hasn’t made a mistake giving you the gift you have. Some think 1 Corinthians 14:1 says we can pray for spiritual gifts, but that’s not what it says. It only says, “Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.” The word “earnestly” means sincerely, and the word “desire” simply means we should genuinely desire or have a passion for these spiritual gifts. It does not say we should earnestly pray for these gifts or some other gifts because we’re not happy with the gifts we have. Maybe God is telling us to genuinely desire the gifts you and I have for the Body of Christ…and not to covet other people’s gifts. God knows best which gifts go with each of us…better than we do. Remember, Scripture says that it is at God’s discretion, so He knows which gifts fit best with whom.

Other Gifts

First Corinthians 12 is not the only place where Paul mentions gifts of the spirit. There are other gifts like teaching, exhortation, giving, and mercy (Rom 12:6-8), but these may not be all the gifts there are. I know some people who do things that are not listed under any gift. That’s because God’s Spirit is not limited. He can move in many different ways through many different people by gifting, but it is God’s choice, and it is intended for the building up of the church. Remember that “just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit” (1 Cor 12:12-13). Other gifts include the gifts of administration (1 Cor 12), Teaching, (Romans12; Ephesians 4), Helps and Service (Romans 12; 1 Corinthians 12), Hospitality (1 Peter 4:9-10), Leadership (Romans 12), and possibly more than these. Paul wants us to recognize the source of the gifts, but also that it is the Giver Who determines which gift(s) are given to which person. As the Scripture says, “God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose” (1 Cor 12:18).

Discovering Gifts

Having been asked numerous times how someone can know what gift they have, I say just jump into something and you’ll know in your spirit whether it’s right or not. I like asking them, “If you didn’t have to work for a living, what one thing would you most desire to do if you had the time and the means?” This may point to their giftedness. What’s their passion about? What is the “one thing” they would like to change or help make a difference in? That may be a clue as to what a person has a gift in. There are numerous ways to tell which gift of the Spirit you have, but I know not all teachers make good preachers, and not all preachers make good teachers. If they’re not gifted in that area, they will usually find that out in time…or from others. Time, chance, circumstances…all these things can work together into a “perfect storm,” and somehow, you’ll just know. Like Eric Liddell, the runner in Chariots of Fire, he felt God’s pleasure when he ran. By the way, he also said, “We are all missionaries. Wherever we go we either bring people nearer to Christ or we repel them from Christ.” [1] Amen!

Conclusion

I hope you find your gift, or if you’ve already discovered your gift of the Spirit, I hope you find a place to utilize that gift for the church’s benefit. Perhaps God will bless that church because of the gift you have. When many members come together with various gifts of the Spirit, the whole Body can function better, and that makes the Head’s job much easier…the Head of the Church, being Jesus Christ. Jesus as the Head desires the Body cooperate with Him, and if they would engage their spiritual gifts for the benefit of the church, it would do no harm for the Body and it’s functioning as the hands, feet, eyes, ears, mouth, and heart of Christ. We do this for others (Matt 25:35-36), but make no mistake about it, we are actually doing it unto Him (Matt 25:40). In those few short verses, we can see how the gifts of the Spirit can reach out to a hurting world and show the love of Christ. It is by our love for one another that all people will know who Jesus’ disciples are (John 13:34-35). Jesus disciples do what He says, not just hear His words. Our precious Lord warns all who would listen (or read), “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” (Matt 7:21). “Doing” is evidence of Lordship. The “many” who cry out, “Lord, Lord,” will be the same many that will forever be turned away. Make you calling and election sure (2 Pet 1:10). Get this right. Be certain. Be certain before the day is out (2 Cor 6:2). Tomorrow may be too late (Heb 9:27; Rev 1:7, 20:12-15).

1. Eric Liddell Quotes. Goodreads. https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/802465.Eric_Liddell [Accessed Feb 17,2019].

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Christian Crier or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.


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  • Monty

    Thank you for your article. It seems to me that you have summed up Spiritual gifts very well and tied them into the ministry of the Body. We ignore or overvalue the gifts at our peril. God is still more interested in fruit than gifts, but gifts are necessary to encourage Christians to bear fruit. I believe much of Christendom has lost sight of the ministry gifts to the Church as mentioned in Ephesians 4:11. Do we really imagine that we have progressed so far that only Pastors are now necessary? I wish!

    • Jack Wellman

      Well said sir. I think what you said that God is more interested in the fruit than the gits is spot on, but yes, they are necessary for the functioning of the Body. I appreciate your insight sir.

  • pud

    Define “spirit”
    Demonstrate that any such thing as “spirit” exists
    Demonstrate that any such thing as a “god” gifts it
    Demonstrate the existence of any “god” past or present.

    FAIL. as always.

  • Matthew 22:37

    This is a very insightful article, Pastor. I need to re-read it. But I think you can desire and ask for all the spiritual gifts. Of course, you will get each of them where and when God sees fit to give them to you in God’s timing. It could be our innate spiritual gifts that we are born with tend to overshadow the ones that God gives us later. Humans are prone to mix things up and get things backwards. Doesn’t He know all of us and our capabilities and limitations before we are even born? Of course, He does. He’s the Great Encourager as well as the Great Enabler. I am convinced He built up perseverance in me. More than I would normally have.

    1 Cor. 12:31, ESV
    But earnestly desire the higher gifts.

    Derek Prince wrote an interesting book called Gifts of the Spirit. In it he explains how he went from philosophical atheism to belief in God by reading the Bible. Prince had a philosophy degree from King’s College and was a companion of Wittgenstein before becoming a worldwide evangelist.

    Have a great day!

    • Jack Wellman

      You make an excellent point, but maybe I should have said we should not covet the gifts of others, so thank you so much.

      • Matthew 22:37

        Yeah, coveting can get one in trouble. Christ warned about the evil eye. I think that is how we start to covet. There is some kind of eye-mind-heart connection where we see things and start to want them then we allow the desire to start to rule over/over rule what we actually need.

        Coveting is an unholy desire but we could let God replace the unholy desire with a holy one.

        People aren’t always good at stopping and determining what they want from what they need. It gets confused alot.

        I noticed a while back that greed can make some people overly impulsive and they make bad decisions sometimes serving it. Chasing after fame, too.

        It’s hard to be content in all circumstances coveting things you may not even need.

        • Are the so-called “tongues” that occur in Pentecostal and Charismatic churches today, the same as that which was alleged to occur in the NT? Wasn’t this phenomenon the speaking in foreign languages which the speaker had not learned? Isn’t today’s tongues speaking people speaking gibberish and passing it off as a miracle?

          • Matthew 22:37

            I have no idea.

          • Yes, you have no idea about anything that is rational or backed up by empirical evidence. None, whatsoever!

          • Matthew 22:37

            I am not reading you any more as you keep trying to act like Satan’s lawyer interrogating me looking for a weakness. You are trying to make the devil’s case on this board to keep people disobedient to God and slaves to sin like you are.

            Interrogate yourself for a change.

            You are one of the people attacking God’s holiness on this blog while still in your sins slave to the old slave master.

            You are not doing that from a pure heart motive or good logic.

            You want to meddle with people who are intent on getting their hearts right with God while you refuse to do it.

            Prove everything you do is from a good heart motive or stop meddling with people. How can you be righteous serving bad heart motives? Sin is evil at the very core of man’s nature and you came here to trip up people and keep them in sin or make them revert to it because you did.

            Psalm 51. While repenting David admitted he was a sinner with a bad heart and said:

            10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

            You can go purposefully communicate your sinful ideas to someone else for a change, Arthur.

            Matthew 16:21-23, NASB
            Jesus Foretells His Death

            21From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day. 22Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You.” 23But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.”

          • “I am not reading you any more.”

            Well, why do you keep on reading what I write and keep on making nonsense statements which have provide no evidence for?

          • Matthew 22:37

            You stop declaring things you don’t understand as gibberish. Your own understanding might be gibberish because you’re still in your sins and Satan is the author of confusion. He’s ruling your mind with confusion.

            So focus on something good for a change.

            God’s good purpose for your life.

            Read “Your Resurrection” by David Sielaff.

            Have a blessed day! Today is the day of salvation. Just make up your mind to listen to God for a change without letting the devil throw Him under the bus in your thoughtlife.

            Your Resurrection
            http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d091101.htm

          • Have you spoken “in tongues”? If so, have you had your “tongues” tested by a reputable linguist to see if the pattern formed represented language?

          • Are you just going to gullibly accept “tongues”? You Evangelicals believe in the existence of demons. I don’t. But let’s say the demons exist. Might some, or even all, of the modern “tongues speaking” be demonic? Your pal, John McArthur believes so and he is not alone among evangelicals who think so. Some think that the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements are the “last vomit of Satan”.

          • Matthew 22:37

            I don’t know the answer off the top of my head to everything but I do believe the good can be counterfeited with the fake so people have trouble discerning the truly spiritual from the frauds.

            A carnal person could imitate a holy person for monetary gain, for instance.

            When you see one group reviling another you could be witnessing the denominational spirit which is a spirit of division not one of unity.

            It could be different denominations are being prepared to fulfill different functions in the body of Christ and in the Kingdom of God.

            Division into different body parts could precede unity.

            Some people understand the mystery of spiritual birth from the Bible but we don’t all understand how we all fit into the Body of Christ congregationally.

            People inside the church are in a spiritually developing process of change and can have problem distinguishing things. Not everyone is equally mature and some people may be jealous of their flocks and want to prevent defections to other groups or just spiritually misanalyzed things themselves.

            There should come a point at which you are no longer a milkfed and can actually act independently for Christ on your own when you understand what your talents are but it is all a growth process.

            Some people do not think women can talk in the church but scholars like Kenneth E. Bailey and Ben Witherington III showed that this is wrong. There were early women teachers in the church as well as an apostle. IIRC, Mary Magdalene is considered an apostle by some who have studied the topic.

          • “Division into different body parts could precede unity.”

            Well prior to 1517 when Luther nailed his 95 theses to the door of the Wittenberg church, there were only 2 major denominations: Catholic and Eastern Orthodox. Today there are over 40,000 different denominations in the world and these seem to be increasing. Most of these churches are Protestant. Rather than promoting unity, the emphasis on the supreme authority of the bible and the belief that the bible is the Word of God in Protestant circles has proliferated endless division contrary to John ch.17. The utter confusion spread by squabbling protestant sects is resulting in continual division as these churches squabble over the meaning of the bible. It appears very unlikely that division could precede unity.

            There are 2 major problems. There are multiple voices in the bible with sometimes contradictory views and sometimes complementary views about most topics. What would you expect of a book that has parts written by barbaric and bloodthirsty savages who created god in their own likeness?

            There is no agreed hermeneutic among Protestant Evangelicals. Most prioritize the NT though many give far too much weight to a literal understanding of the bible and the barbaric portions of the OT. The book of Revelation in the NT is pretty barbaric, if you interpret it literally and most pre-millennialists do.

            No wonder confusion exists and it is right within your so-called holy book itself.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Sorry. I didn’t read your post.

            I finally figured out I am the overly helpful type but some people refuse to be helped.

            But there’s no point to sticking around trying to help people that only intend to argue so they can spiritually sabotage you.

            I already figured everything out to my satisfaction and agree with God.

            I never could be talked into being breaking my faith with God.

            And I don’t need your standard over riding my own. I can think for myself and already analyzed all the critical points.

            Cya.

          • “Some people do not think that women can talk in church but [some evangelical scholars] show this is wrong.”

            Biblical egalitarians interpret the bible differently from biblical complementarians though I know of no biblical scholars who take the view that Mary Magdalene was an apostle. Some say that Junia who was of note among the apostles might have been a woman (Julia). But even if this was true, a person could be of note among the apostles without being an apostle. There is absolutely no biblical evidence for Mary Magdalene being an apostle.

            Some think that some Pauline passages are sexist in that women are supposed to be silent in the church and therefore could not preach. If this is the right interpretation of the passage in 1 Corinthians, then Paul was indeed sexist and his view ought to be rejected. Women ought to be able to preach equally as well as men. So called spiritual gifts are not restricted to men but apply to all the members of the body. So even if there were no women apostles this should not mean that women cannot be gifted to teach and preach the bible to their congregations nor should it mean that women cannot be pastors. It’s a matter of social justice that women are not denied these pathways on the basis of their sex. This would be sexual discrimination. Doesn’t Galatians say “In Christ there is no Jew or Greek, bond or free, male or female. You are all one in Christ Jesus”? (Gal.3:28 and context). Here Paul is non-sexist.

          • Assuming that the bible is the sufficient rule of faith for Evangelicals (I think it is a barbaric book written by ancient savages who created god in their own likeness), then wouldn’t many Evangelicals conclude that special revelation ceased with the completion of the NT? So revelational gifts of the Spirit (e.g. prophecy, tongues and interpretation, word of knowledge etc.) ceased with the completion of the NT. There is no more revelation, but only illumination of that which is already written in the biblical witness.

            According to the cessationists miraculous sign gifts performed by humans have ceased, though they do think that miracles can occur at the ‘hand’ of God when and where he chooses. Also, Apostles and prophets were for the foundation of the church and there are no longer such persons appointed by God. An apostle had to be a witness to the resurrection of Christ. The witness of the apostles and prophets is now the bible. Some cessationists claim that Pentecostals are “the last vomit of Satan”. Are you vomit of Satan?

          • Matthew 22:37

            I am not a Pentecostal. I am non-denominational and as for any doctrinal animosity from any other Christian group I don’t let it affect my point of view too much.

            The true believer will work out his own faith to a certain degree. That is spiritual maturity not doctrinal infighting.

            Loving people is the most important and I find many people doing that regardless of denomination.

            I see we won’t agree so I am taking off. My health is not really good enough to be engaging in battles of will with people determined to disagree and I am planning on finding something new to do besides discuss religion with people who just want to debate it and tear it down.

            May His Grace Abound To You! bye.

          • For someone who is not a Pentecostal you are leaving a good impression that you support the “last vomit of Satan”. Why are Smith Wigglesworth and Derek Prince (Pentecostal heroes) among your heroes? Why do you promote the “latter rain” heresy of the feast of Tabernacles as a future event of prophecy? Why do you promote the revelational sign gifts and other miraculous gifts mentioned in the NT as being for today?

          • Matthew 22:37

            At this time I am only promoting the Gospel so people can receive their spiritual births.

            After that they are going to have to seek their own spiritual education and increase in knowledge.

            It is hard enough transferring a good spiritual foundation to unbelievers so they can escape sin and the devil without going into a lot of doctrinal haggling.

            First acknowledge Christ so you can be born again. Then start to master doctrine for yourself.

            Christians are in this world subject to all kinds of spiritual teachers on the bible. Some good and some bad and some much better than others.

            How does your spiritual comprehension grow and mature if you over limit it to certain ideas. Doesn’t God encourage you to use your mind so you can learn to discern and sort out the better spiritual ideas from the lesser ones.

            I have lived a multi denominational life and I think I picked and chose from the best of all these denominations and teachers’ teachings while I moved around between denominations.

            I initially started reading a lot of different bible resources and teachers and scholars because I had to put the prophecies into perspective.

            The Bible is not as easy as some people assume. I believe it is a multi level book that fosters spiritual growth in a person. The Jews claim the Bible is a multi level book. That it is the only multi level book in existence.

            Google ParDeS on wikipedia and read about it.

            You really do have to be a seeker to master God’s perspective. Some people have mastered it a lot better than others.

            But if you learn not to master the Bible or someone communicates the idea that you don’t have to learn it then that could hinder your spiritual birth and growth.

            You live in a world where people over exert their carnal minds against God and like to teach this error.

            It is up to you whether or not you will let Satan hinder your spiritual growth through the false teaching or worldly ideas of others.

            So you need to learn to master God’s perspective as closely as you can. If you can do that and effectively absorb it then you will be saved and changed and know God exists.

            The scriptures are our spiritual food. But someone is probably trying to block the absorption of God’s spiritual food/idea in your mind. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Resist Bart Ehrman’s confused understanding. There are better scholars out there without the heart issue Ehrman has blocking and upsetting his spiritual understanding. The Spirit is higher than the letter.

            Have a blessed day and may the Lord be with you!

            He was with me last week when I got a complete remission from almost terminal cancer which anyone with spiritual sense knows is a miracle.

            I really should not be arguing with people at all. This is my recovery period and I have another operation to go and don’t need anyone upsetting me but I am on autopilot and used to trying to correct unbelievers’ thinking so they can be saved. I have been at this a really long time and I managed to locate a lot of people doing it even longer. Dr. Jones, for example, was born into a missionary family and has been studying the Bible diligently for more than 60 years. Can you even imagine the depth of spiritual knowledge that he has stowed away. Thank God he is an internet presence and promotes bible studies for serious students of the Bible. Not just dabblers.

          • I’m sorry to hear that you have had cancer. Thank goodness the doctors have been able to help you and that you are now in remission. I also hope that that the next operation that you have to go to turns out well for you.

          • Matthew 22:37

            Thank you. The doctors helped but I knew it was all in God’s hands whatever He decided and didn’t let the thought of death bother me much.

            My first doctor that discovered I had cancer had to refer me but not before acting so concerned that he gave me the impression that I was a dead woman.

            Then this young resident in the hospital when I mentioned the possibility of being cured said “Oh we will keep you comfortable” as if he was already dismissing me being cured. But when I mentioned this to this older doctor who must have been a Christian he agreed that God was really in charge.

            I knew it all along so I didn’t let these opinions from people who supposedly were experts rattle me.

            I just did everything in my power to get well and turned it all over to God and He brought me through and is owed all the credit.

            Now I still have some things to do to get out of the woods all the way and stay that way but I think God made me smart enough to locate the right information.

            I can always ask God to guide my whole decision making process.

            Have a blessed day!

          • “At this time I am only promoting the Gospel…”.

            Well why were you promoting spiritual gifts? Are they, in your view, the Gospel or part of the Gospel?

            No one with any sense (spiritual or otherwise) “knows” that remission from cancer is a miracle. Pentecostal and Charismatic nut jobs believe that miracles occur today. Don’t get caught up in their religious propaganda and with shysters like Benny Hinn. I hope the cancer you had doesn’t come back and you need regular medical check ups. Look after yourself and don’t let Pentecostal and Charismatic frauds and cultists dominate your life!

          • Matthew 22:37

            I don’t believe Hinn is a real faith healer.

            But I do believe in miracles. Nothing is impossible with God..

          • I’m glad that you don’t follow Benny Hinn.

          • Many believers, like yourself, seem very sincere in their beliefs. This does not make their views correct but, at least you might possibly be right though probably wrong. However, I don’t mind you saying that you believe by faith but that you cannot prove that God exists.

          • Matthew 22:37

            God already proved it.

            People don’t get to change that by questioning it and substituting a false authority this late in history.

            Christianity has no burden of proof because it is not subject to philosophy or science.
            God is the ultimate authority in the Christian worldview.

            If you reject that worldview then you need to move on with your life. You rejected God’s view about Himself but ultimately the individual is responsible for seeking to know for himself.

            That is only commonsense. That is the only way to have an original experience.

          • If God doesn’t exist he can’t prove anything. In all your arguments you assume that God exists, that God has revealed himself and that revelation is primarily in Jesus Christ. You also assume that the bible is the Word of God. With these assumptions, you then proceed to show that your God exists. This is NOT proof. It is called circular reasoning.

            You have been asked hundreds of times to provide evidence for your claim that God exists but you avoid answering the question and when you do try, you engage in circular reasoning. Why don’t you come clean and admit that you know that there is no God but that, by faith, you believe there is a God.

            Try breath meditation. Breathe in slowly and out slowly. You will find the peace that you are so desperately looking for. You won’t need to consult any religious gurus, any so-called holy book, nor attend any so-called holy places of worship. Just breathe in compassion and peace and breathe it out. You will find what you are so desperately looking for. No gods are necessary.

            You won’t need any gospel nor any so-called gifts of the Spirit. Tongues are useless!

          • Matthew 22:37

            I suggest you go ask a Christian apologist why revelation is not circular reasoning.

            There is nothing unreasonable in a Christian believing a superior being made an account of Himself and then passed it down to us.

            That’s the only way we could know of Him with any degree of accuracy.

            Why don’t you just give up and stick to other atheists.

            Christians don’t think like you yet we have the best morality the world ever witnessed.

            If you don’t want to participate then that is up to you but don’t attempt to demotivate others. That just destabilizes the world and a lot of atheists like Voltaire understood that.

            The new militant atheist thinking is crap thinking. Cobbled together by a bunch of weak assumptions. That’s why other atheists even disagree with them.

            Morality requires certain strict limits. Social boundaries are like roads they require observable stop signs and traffic lights otherwise your personhood and rights get trampelled at the whim of other people.

          • Christian apologists are experts at circular reasoning. They assume the Christian view of God is real and that the bible is the Word of God, then on these assumptions they proceed to prove that God exists. They usually don’t state their assumptions, but these assumptions underlie everything they say.

          • If Christians have the best morality in the world and it is based on the bible, then why did your barbaric and bloodthirsty Yahweh command the slaughter of the Amalekite little children and babies (1Samuel ch.15). This is completely barbaric. What had these children done to deserve such monstrous treatment? It is completely immoral. The problem is that your holy book is full of immorality, though some parts are okay. Does this mean that you are cherry picking the book and attributing only the good parts to a so-called god?

          • I am not a new atheist nor a new militant atheist. Nor am I a Marxist-Leninist and reject dialectical and historical materialism. I am an atheist who believes in secular humanism. Secular humanism is not based on weak arguments. Go read up on it and inform yourself!

          • Do you practice “speaking in tongues”? If so, how are you not a Pentecostal or Charismatic Christian, even if you call yourself non-denominational? Have you had your “tongues” tested by a linguist? If so, was it genuine language or simply gobbledegook? Why is it that in Pentecostal and Charismatic services when “tongues” are spoken, it does not appear to be language but simply made up under extreme emotionalism?

          • Matthew 22:37

            I’m sorry. My tongues experience is very limited and I have nothing to share on it. It may be I haven’t reached full enough spiritual growth to exercise the gift regularly. Or been distracted into focusing on other things.

            Google “downpour worship” on youtube and see Steve Willoughby’s Apostolic Preaching video to witness people having a tongues experience.

            Think about this. Blood contains DNA, DNA always has a code or pattern and Jesus is our spiritual pattern.

            Why would you let anyone interfere with God configuring His spiritual pattern in you?

            So someone else failed by not receiving their spiritual birth. Does that mean you should become a spiritual failure, too?

            Repent and get back on the spiritual track with God. Now while you still have time for Him to build a whole new spiritual identity in you.

            What you are going to let Satan and this world commit spiritual identity theft against you.

            That is what happens when you allow yourself to be programmed with the wrong ideas.

            Stop letting unspiritual people hinder you. Start using your spiritual mind and exert independence from sin and unspiritual people and let God make a new and completely restored spiritual, god loving man out of you. You have let this Ehrman fellow upset your relationship with God while it was still in it’s early formation stage.

            You will have to repent now John Arthur. Throw all the bad worldly ideas out and get back on spiritual track so you can become a true son of God.

            The devil can’t own you, y’know, unless you let him own your thoughtlife and interrupt your spiritual growth. So repent and start over!

            Have a blessed day!

          • Steve Wiiloughby’s apostolic preaching video.

            I had a look at this video and its’ a service controlled and manipulated by emotionalism with people babbling in gobbledegook which hardly is patterned human language. It’s preaching is certainly not apostolic as it has little relationship to the biblical witness of the apostles to Jesus Christ.

            Why do you gullibly accept such nonsense by such Pentecostal nut jobs?

          • Matthew 22:37

            You know what. No matter what I think you are deceived.

            You put science and the evil scientists ahead of God over your life.

            Einstein was a scientist seeking to understand the universe but he sensed science did not have all the answers to draw all the conclusions.

            You deliberately got with all the scientists trying to control things by controlling the conclusions. But they have not got their hearts right with God.

            Satan is trying to prevent the manifestation of God’s new order, i.e., the birth and discipleing of the children of God and all you have done is sabotage your own spiritual birth to go along with him.

            How do you know Satan isn’t jealous of us so he attempts to force us to submit to him.

            It says in the Bible that Christ brings division which means separation from sin, death, this world and Satan. Separation unto God. That is what happens with spiritual birth.

            I am a mature Christian performing God’s will at times. I am not going to be sabotaged by a bunch of worldly lies and liars into reverting into becoming a worldling am I?

            No, Christ taught me not to be double minded and to focus on the right things.

            You can’t destroy my mental focus and my love based relationship because you agreed to let someone destroy yours.

            I value God and Jesus more highly than my life or this world and you are not going to submit your lesser soul destroying evaluation for mine.

            You need to repent and obey Jesus and let him kick Satan out of your heart.

            You need a wholly new heart, new thinking and new motives.

            Stop letting lesser thinking demotivate you.

            I already said I am not a a Pentecostal.

            Have a good day.

          • If there is no God or any Satan, all your gobbledegook that you write is sheer nonsense. You have been asked numerous times to present evidence for your ridiculous claims, but every time you refuse and dodge the questions asked of you by pretending that you are not going to argue or putting people on block. Yet you trumpet your religious propaganda all the time, giving yourself airs by pretending that you are infallible.

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            Why do I have to present evidence. I don’t. There are in existence many arguments proving the existence of God. You don’t need me to present anything when you can look up the fine tuning argument and other ones for yourself.

            Several atheists on here have been submitting the pastor and other theists to a relentless barrage of the logical fallacy known as the ad hominem attack.

            I make no claim to be good at logic. I am more inclined towards autodidactism when I am on the Net.

            But atheists who claim to love logic are relentlessly applying this logical fallacy to the Pastor and Christians visiting the blog.

            Why don’t they learn logic THEN find a debate site to engage people who want to argue.

            This is not a debate site and the Pastor said he doesn’t like to argue.

            I don’t like arguing any more either. I like thinking and research. That tends to destroy arguments.

            You are quite capable of locating your own evidence for God if you really want or need it. But in my experience many atheists don’t like Davies says.

            Ex-atheist Paul Davies did locate the evidence for himself. He has an article explaining why “Materialism is Flawed” on his philosophy of science dot com.

          • There are no rational arguments proving the existence of God!

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            Davies says the first premise of materialism is refutable.

          • I’m not a materialist!

          • “Why don’t you learn logic”.

            Well, I did learn mathematical logic (symbolic logic) during my mathematical studies at university. It is you who needs to learn logic.

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            Well then you shouldn’t engage in the logical fallacy of ad hominem.

          • Calling the Pentecostals in the video, “Pentecostal nut jobs” was based on their observed behaviour and was not an attack on their personhood. If they behave like “nut jobs”, then this is merely being descriptive of their behaviour. Otherwise, you would be claiming any behaviour (no matter how nutty) the logical fallacy of ad hominem. Are you so credulous as to accept barking, rolling on the floor etc. that I have seen in Pentecostal and Charismatic services as an anointing from God?

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            Well I think I am done with talking to atheists.

            You know cows are not the only ruminants in this world. People like to ruminate a lot too and some people have very self destructive thought lives especially when they refuse to let God guide their thinking.

            I am breaking out of atheist negative ruminant thinking for today. I have more positive things to do today and I may never come back to this blog.

            Because the people I am trying to help always seem to be using their own thoughtlives to sabotage me so I can become a spiritual failure just like they are.

            Try learning to turn that intellect on yourself before you try to correct others then you might see without God that you aren’t all that you think you are.

            You let these atheist scientists teach you how to put matter over your mind instead of putting your mind over matter like a child of God knows to do.

            Bye. I hope you get back on the better thought life track some day.

            What is better than a truly meditative life living in the moment with God?

            The world likes to destroy people from developing truly meditative lives. You have to come into meditative agreement with God before you can walk with Him don’t you but you let all these scientists destroy the peace in your soul and now refuse to get your heart right with God.

            There’s nothing more destructive than that.

            I hope you see the light some day. I am not staying shut up on this board while atheists try to force feed me their lesser weak thinking. There are too many other things that I can do for God. Why subject myself to atheist social backwardness when they refuse to help their own backwardness.

          • Maybe it is your nonsense thinking that is “lesser weak thinking”. Atheistic humanism is socially forward while your religious nonsense leads to social backwardness.

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            Have a nice life, John Arthur. One can only exhort the mentally blocked and determined to be intransigent so long.

            I think I will go off and write a book now.

            That way I can help the atheists that are sick of being atheists.

            They probably don’t know where they went wrong and need help sorting out some things.

            A lot of former atheists get saved when they start seeking for themselves like Josh McDowell, Sr., Lee Strobel and Derek Prince did and probably a lot of others.

            If you stay in theologically lazy skeptic mode you could lose a lot of time and your salvation.

            Why would you want to reap spiritual failure? Start using your mind in a new and original way and seek God authentically on your own and get out of this spiritual mess that someone else’s poor logic probably helped get you into.

            Ben Witherington III corrected Ehrman. Look it up then go seek God for yourself and stop being a lazy skeptic.

            If you stay a lazy skeptic refusing to trust Holy God then why would God build the mind of Christ in you?

            So stop arguing, get yourself out of the spiritual rut you are in and get busy seeking God so He can give you a whole new godly identity.

            Why wouldn’t you want the Fruit of the Spirit for yourself?

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            Something to think about.

            An answer from gotquestions.org:

            Is there an argument for the existence of God?

            Answer: The question of whether there is a conclusive argument for the existence of God has been debated throughout history, with exceedingly intelligent people taking both sides of the dispute. In recent times, arguments against the possibility of God’s existence have taken on a militant spirit that accuses anyone daring to believe in God as being delusional and irrational. Karl Marx asserted that anyone believing in God must have a mental disorder that caused invalid thinking. The psychiatrist Sigmund Freud wrote that a person who believed in a Creator God was delusional and only held those beliefs due to a “wish-fulfillment” factor that produced what Freud considered to be an unjustifiable position. The philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche bluntly said that faith equates to not wanting to know what is true. The voices of these three figures from history (along with others) are simply now parroted by a new generation of atheists who claim that a belief in God is intellectually unwarranted.

            Is this truly the case? Is belief in God a rationally unacceptable position to hold? Is there a logical and reasonable argument for the existence of God? Outside of referencing the Bible, can a case for the existence of God be made that refutes the positions of both the old and new atheists and gives sufficient warrant for believing in a Creator? The answer is, yes, it can. Moreover, in demonstrating the validity of an argument for the existence of God, the case for atheism is shown to be intellectually weak.

            To make an argument for the existence of God, we must start by asking the right questions. We begin with the most basic metaphysical question: “Why do we have something rather than nothing at all?” This is the basic question of existence—why are we here; why is the earth here; why is the universe here rather than nothing? Commenting on this point, one theologian has said, “In one sense man does not ask the question about God, his very existence raises the question about God.”

            In considering this question, there are four possible answers to why we have something rather than nothing at all:

            1. Reality is an illusion.
            2. Reality is/was self-created.
            3. Reality is self-existent (eternal).
            4. Reality was created by something that is self-existent.

            So, which is the most plausible solution? Let’s begin with reality being simply an illusion, which is what a number of Eastern religions believe. This option was ruled out centuries ago by the philosopher Rene Descartes who is famous for the statement, “I think, therefore I am.” Descartes, a mathematician, argued that if he is thinking, then he must “be.” In other words, “I think, therefore I am not an illusion.” Illusions require something experiencing the illusion, and moreover, you cannot doubt the existence of yourself without proving your existence; it is a self-defeating argument. So the possibility of reality being an illusion is eliminated.

            Next is the option of reality being self-created. When we study philosophy, we learn of “analytically false” statements, which means they are false by definition. The possibility of reality being self-created is one of those types of statements for the simple reason that something cannot be prior to itself. If you created yourself, then you must have existed prior to you creating yourself, but that simply cannot be. In evolution this is sometimes referred to as “spontaneous generation” —something coming from nothing—a position that few, if any, reasonable people hold to anymore simply because you cannot get something from nothing. Even the atheist David Hume said, “I never asserted so absurd a proposition as that anything might arise without a cause.” Since something cannot come from nothing, the alternative of reality being self-created is ruled out.

            Now we are left with only two choices—an eternal reality or reality being created by something that is eternal: an eternal universe or an eternal Creator. The 18th-century theologian Jonathan Edwards summed up this crossroads:

            • Something exists.
            • Nothing cannot create something.
            • Therefore, a necessary and eternal “something” exists.

            Notice that we must go back to an eternal “something.” The atheist who derides the believer in God for believing in an eternal Creator must turn around and embrace an eternal universe; it is the only other door he can choose. But the question now is, where does the evidence lead? Does the evidence point to matter before mind or mind before matter?

            To date, all key scientific and philosophical evidence points away from an eternal universe and toward an eternal Creator. From a scientific standpoint, honest scientists admit the universe had a beginning, and whatever has a beginning is not eternal. In other words, whatever has a beginning has a cause, and if the universe had a beginning, it had a cause. The fact that the universe had a beginning is underscored by evidence such as the second law of thermodynamics, the radiation echo of the big bang discovered in the early 1900s, the fact that the universe is expanding and can be traced back to a singular beginning, and Einstein’s theory of relativity. All prove the universe is not eternal.

            Further, the laws that surround causation speak against the universe being the ultimate cause of all we know for this simple fact: an effect must resemble its cause. This being true, no atheist can explain how an impersonal, purposeless, meaningless, and amoral universe accidentally created beings (us) who are full of personality and obsessed with purpose, meaning, and morals. Such a thing, from a causation standpoint, completely refutes the idea of a natural universe birthing everything that exists. So in the end, the concept of an eternal universe is eliminated.

            Philosopher J. S. Mill (not a Christian) summed up where we have now come to: “It is self-evident that only Mind can create mind.” The only rational and reasonable conclusion is that an eternal Creator is the one who is responsible for reality as we know it. Or to put it in a logical set of statements:

            • Something exists.
            • You do not get something from nothing.
            • Therefore a necessary and eternal “something” exists.
            • The only two options are an eternal universe and an eternal Creator.
            • Science and philosophy have disproven the concept of an eternal universe.
            • Therefore, an eternal Creator exists.

            Former atheist Lee Strobel, who arrived at this end result many years ago, has commented, “Essentially, I realized that to stay an atheist, I would have to believe that nothing produces everything; non-life produces life; randomness produces fine-tuning; chaos produces information; unconsciousness produces consciousness; and non-reason produces reason. Those leaps of faith were simply too big for me to take, especially in light of the affirmative case for God’s existence … In other words, in my assessment the Christian worldview accounted for the totality of the evidence much better than the atheistic worldview.”

            But the next question we must tackle is this: if an eternal Creator exists (and we have shown that He does), what kind of Creator is He? Can we infer things about Him from what He created? In other words, can we understand the cause by its effects? The answer to this is yes, we can, with the following characteristics being surmised:

            • He must be supernatural in nature (as He created time and space).
            • He must be powerful (exceedingly).
            • He must be eternal (self-existent).
            • He must be omnipresent (He created space and is not limited by it).
            • He must be timeless and changeless (He created time).
            • He must be immaterial because He transcends space/physical.
            • He must be personal (the impersonal cannot create personality).
            • He must be infinite and singular as you cannot have two infinites.
            • He must be diverse yet have unity as unity and diversity exist in nature.
            • He must be intelligent (supremely). Only cognitive being can produce cognitive being.
            • He must be purposeful as He deliberately created everything.
            • He must be moral (no moral law can be had without a giver).
            • He must be caring (or no moral laws would have been given).

            These things being true, we now ask if any religion in the world describes such a Creator. The answer to this is yes: the God of the Bible fits this profile perfectly. He is supernatural (Genesis 1:1), powerful (Jeremiah 32:17), eternal (Psalm 90:2), omnipresent (Psalm 139:7), timeless/changeless (Malachi 3:6), immaterial (John 5:24), personal (Genesis 3:9), necessary (Colossians 1:17), infinite/singular (Jeremiah 23:24, Deuteronomy 6:4), diverse yet with unity (Matthew 28:19), intelligent (Psalm 147:4-5), purposeful (Jeremiah 29:11), moral (Daniel 9:14), and caring (1 Peter 5:6-7).

            One last subject to address on the matter of God’s existence is the matter of how justifiable the atheist’s position actually is. Since the atheist asserts the believer’s position is unsound, it is only reasonable to turn the question around and aim it squarely back at him. The first thing to understand is that the claim the atheist makes—“no god,” which is what “atheist” means—is an untenable position to hold from a philosophical standpoint. As legal scholar and philosopher Mortimer Adler says, “An affirmative existential proposition can be proved, but a negative existential proposition—one that denies the existence of something—cannot be proved.” For example, someone may claim that a red eagle exists and someone else may assert that red eagles do not exist. The former only needs to find a single red eagle to prove his assertion. But the latter must comb the entire universe and literally be in every place at once to ensure he has not missed a red eagle somewhere and at some time, which is impossible to do. This is why intellectually honest atheists will admit they cannot prove God does not exist.

            Next, it is important to understand the issue that surrounds the seriousness of truth claims that are made and the amount of evidence required to warrant certain conclusions. For example, if someone puts two containers of lemonade in front of you and says that one may be more tart than the other, since the consequences of getting the more tart drink would not be serious, you would not require a large amount of evidence in order to make your choice. However, if to one cup the host added sweetener but to the other he introduced rat poison, then you would want to have quite a bit of evidence before you made your choice.

            This is where a person sits when deciding between atheism and belief in God. Since belief in atheism could possibly result in irreparable and eternal consequences, it would seem that the atheist should be mandated to produce weighty and overriding evidence to support his position, but he cannot. Atheism simply cannot meet the test for evidence for the seriousness of the charge it makes. Instead, the atheist and those whom he convinces of his position slide into eternity with their fingers crossed and hope they do not find the unpleasant truth that eternity does indeed exist. As Mortimer Adler says, “More consequences for life and action follow from the affirmation or denial of God than from any other basic question.”

            So does belief in God have intellectual warrant? Is there a rational, logical, and reasonable argument for the existence of God? Absolutely. While atheists such as Freud claim that those believing in God have a wish-fulfillment desire, perhaps it is Freud and his followers who actually suffer from wish-fulfillment: the hope and wish that there is no God, no accountability, and therefore no judgment. But refuting Freud is the God of the Bible who affirms His existence and the fact that a judgment is indeed coming for those who know within themselves the truth that He exists but suppress that truth (Romans 1:20). But for those who respond to the evidence that a Creator does indeed exist, He offers the way of salvation that has been accomplished through His Son, Jesus Christ: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God” (John 1:12-13).

          • You do realize that gotquestions.org is a nutty religious bible site, don’t you? They presuppose that God exists, that God has revealed himself, that this revelation took place in Jesus Christ, then assume a general revelation in nature and that the bible is the inspired infallible Word of God. Then, on this basis they argue for the existence of God. This is circular reasoning, not proof. There is NO conclusive argument for the existence of God, NONE WHATSOEVER!

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            The “nutty” religious site put up John Stuart Mills’ argument.

            And you are still committing the logical fallacy of ad hominem.

            I am putting you back on block for a lack of civility.

            Christianity is not circular reasoning.

            It is based on revelation.

            Revelation means God gave the information to us.

            If an all knowing Person gave us something that makes 2 or more not one person enjoined in understanding.

            Atheism engages in circular reasoning. You can research for the explanation why. Someone on the Net can explain it to you.

            You don’t get to take Christian terms like revelation and redefine them to erase God.

          • If God does not exist, there can be no revelation. You assume what you need to prove, so you are engaging in circular reasoning. It is not atheism that is engaging in circular reasoning. A-theism means no theism and does not try to disprove the existence of God, but asks those who make a positive claim for God’s existence to present the evidence. But you people can’t.

            There is no need for atheists to disprove God’s existence because this cannot be done, just as you cannot disprove the existence of leprechauns. Yet you don’t believe in the existence of leprechauns, do you?

            Atheists do not assume that God doesn’t exist (like Christians assume God exists and then try to prove God’s existence on that assumption—- circular reasoning). They merely ask those making the positive claim to provide evidence which you CAN’T. This is NOT circular reasoning on the part of the atheist.

          • The Big Bang points to a beginning of this universe. This is not evidence that it was created by a Creator, called Yahweh nor by any other god. We don’t know what happened before the Big Bang. There may have been a big crunch which ended another universe prior to the Big Bang (but we don’t know). It is possible that there have been an infinite number of universes, prior to the beginning of our universe, but we don’t know.

            It is you religious fanatics who claim to know but without any evidence to support your claims. Why do you continue to live in your fantasy world of make believe based on bible superstitions?

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            Mathematician Roger Penrose said of Hawkings M-theory:

            It enjoys no observational support whatever. What is referred to as M-theory isn’t even a theory. Indeed it’s hardly science. It’s a collection of ideas, hopes, aspirations… I think the book is misleading. It gives the impression that there is this new theory which is going to explain everything. It’s nothing of the sort. I think the book suffers rather more strongly than many. It’s not uncommon in popular descriptions of science to latch onto some idea, particularly to do with string theory, which has absolutely no support from observation. They’re just nice ideas which people have tried to explore. It’s an excuse for not having a good theory. And there’s not just one M-theory, there are 10 to the power 500 variants.

          • Why bring Hawkings M-theory up? It is irrelevant to my views. Are you latching onto anything, no matter how relevant or not that it is? This makes you seem so desperate to justify your nonsense!

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            Did you know New Atheist Richard Dawkins is a seriously confused fanatic. Either that or a wishful thinker engaging in lying. He claimed Einstein was an atheist in his book The God Delusion.

            Dawkins said “Einstein sometimes invoked the name of God, and he is not the only atheistic scientist to do so, inviting misunderstanding by supernaturalists eager to misunderstand and claim the illustrious thinker as their own.”

            He just ignored all these quotes that Max Jammer, Einstein’s friend, recorded in a book about him and claimed Einstein to be an atheistic thinker.

            Here are some of Einstein’s quotes.
            “I am not an atheist, and I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist.”

            “In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for support of such views.”

            “Every scientist becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men.”

            “The divine reveals itself in the physical world.”

            “My God created laws… His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking but by immutable laws.”

            “I want to know how God created this world.… I want to know his thoughts.”

            “What I am really interested in is knowing whether God could have created the world in a different way.”

            “This firm belief in a superior mind that reveals itself in the world of experience, represents my conception of God.”

            “Behind all the discernible concatenations, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force … is my religion. To that extent I am, in point of fact, religious.”

            “My religiosity consists of a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit… That superior reasoning power forms my idea of God.”

            Lincoln Barnett’s book quoting Einstein:

            “My religion consists of a humble admiration of the superior spirit, who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in this incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.”

          • If anyone is a seriously confused fanatic, it is you, not Richard Dawkins who presents evidence (unlike you) for his views.

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            Peter Hitchens, the Christian brother of atheist Christopher Hitchens, wrote a book called “Rage Against God”.

            Some info it contained:

            Part Three: The League of the Militant Godless

            In the book Hitchens details various attempts by the Bolshevik regime to expunge religion from Soviet society.

            Hitchens writes “the biggest fake miracle staged in human history was the claim that the Soviet Union was a new civilisation of equality, peace, love, truth, science and progress. Everyone knows that it was a prison, a slum, a return to primitive barbarism, a kingdom of lies where scientists and doctors feared offending the secret police, and that its elite were corrupt and lived in secret luxury”.[23] He then cites Walter Duranty’s denying the existence of the great Ukrainian famine,[24] and Sidney and Beatrice Webb’s acceptance that the 1937 Moscow show trials were “genuine criminal prosecutions”.[24] Hitchens then examines Lenin’s suppression of religion in the Soviet Union, which included making the teaching of religion to children punishable by the death penalty and the creation of an antireligious organisation of Soviet workers. Hitchens begins Chapter 13 by quoting William Henry Chamberlin: “In Russia, the world is witnessing the first effort to destroy completely any belief in supernatural interpretation of life”,[25][26] and then examines some consequences of this, including intolerance of religion, terror, and the persecution of priests and bishops at the Solovetsky concentration camp. Hitchens asserts that in the Soviet Union “the regime’s institutional loathing for the teaching of religion, and its desire to eradicate it, survived every doctrinal detour and swerve”.[27]

            In the final chapter, Hitchens analyses a number of his brother’s arguments, and contends that “the coincidence in instinct, taste, and thought between my brother and the Bolsheviks and their sympathisers is striking and undeniable”.[28] He then records how his brother nominated the “apostle of revolutionary terror”[28] Leon Trotsky for an edition of the BBC radio series Great Lives;[29] praised Trotsky for his “moral courage”;[28][30] and declared that one of Lenin’s great achievements was “to create a secular Russia”.[28][31] Hitchens speculates that his brother remained sympathetic towards Bolshevism and is still hostile towards the things it extirpated, including monarchy, tradition, and faith.[32] He ends the chapter by claiming a form of militant secularism is becoming established in Britain, and that “The Rage Against God is loose”.[33]

          • Well, I don’t “rage against God” but I do speak strongly against abhorrent views of God, and against views that make claims about God that are not supported by the evidence. Why bring up all this stuff about the Bolsheviks? I have TOLD YOU many times before that I reject Bolshevism and am an atheist humanist, not a Communist, yet you keep on spouting this irrelevancy to me time and time again. Is your IQ so low that you cannot understand my clear responses to you on this matter?

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            Atheism is LIVING A LOGICAL FALLACY.

            Why? Because atheists off of incomplete information have the temerity to try and control other people’s conclusions while they act like they think they are smarter than God.

            Start learning some humility then maybe God will teach you how to put mind over matter.

          • God doesn’t exist! You are living in your fantasy world! You are so credulous that you claim that atheism is “living a logical fallacy”.You think that you’re smarter than Thor, another imaginary God. Start learning some humility!

          • “Why do I have to present evidence?”. Because you make claims for God’s existence. You present no evidence because you CAN’T. You are bankrupt of evidence, but you continue to hold to make-believe claims from your fantasy world.

          • If you are denying that you are a Pentecostal or Charismatic Christian why are you promoting that video with bedlam created by people speaking in gobbledegook? Why are Smith Wigglesworth, Derek Prince, John G. Lake and other Pentecostal nut jobs your heroes? Why do you support Latter Rain Pentecostal theology with its Feast of Tabernacles preceding the so-called Millennium?

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            I have a mixed belief system. I don’t claim any specific denomination at this time.

            The downpour worship was a video I came across a long time ago showing believers engaging in tongues.

            You don’t need to interrogate people on the web about their beliefs when you can observe people for yourself.

          • Have you forgotten that I am an ex-Charismatic Christian and that I told you this a couple of months or so ago?. I have observed Pentecostal and Charismatic tongues speaking over many years, and found it to be nonsense.

          • I think that you are the one who is deceived. You promote gobbledegook and you are so gullible and credulous that you cannot see how deceived you are. The trouble with you is that you think your bronze aged text is infallible when it has been written by ancient, ignorant, bloodthirsty and very violent savages who created god in their own likeness.

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            If I were you I would stop making an idol out of science. Pick up a copy of
            “How Darwinism Corrodes Morality” and read it. I came across a similar conclusion to this book’s just googling on historical events and Darwinism.

            This book looks at how Darwinism has adversely affected morality in Western culture, not only sexual morals but also the mistreatment of minority races, the killing of the sick and diseased and the rise of the abortion movement.

            You may be going back on block for attacking my person. Ad hominem attacks are unethical and I refuse to submit to them.

            What am I a coward to care about your opinion of me. You are letting the devil rule you in your sin in spite of the fact if you really went to seminary they should have told you that God cares for you but the devil doesn’t.

            A human being born again and adopted into God’s family upsets Satan. He doesn’t get to be next in line to God if God creates sons and daughters and He does.

            I don’t know why you are siding with people letting the devil rule their thoughtlives.

            Maybe you need to repent. Not all Christians have repented y’know and that could affect their behavior.. Repentance occurs when God times it to occur in His own good judgment but I suppose you could delay this by arguing. God can read you and your limitations like a book so He reserves the giving of the gift of repentance to Himself.

            What if He is observing a bad heart motive prompting your rebellious questions and observations now?

            So get don’t be stubborn get your heart right with God while you still have time to learn from Him.

            An article about Werner Arber, Microbiologist Nobel Laureate and Darwin Skeptic:
            https://www.icr.org/article/werner-arber-nobel-laureate-darwin-skeptic/

            There is a lot of censorship in the evolution debate. I hope you won’t allow yourself to be the victim of someone else’s bias.

          • Darwinism is philosophy, not science as distinct from Darwin’s biological theory of evolution which has mountains of mutually corroborating evidence from the various biological sub-disciplines to support it. Darwin’s scientific theory of evolution says nothing about morality. This has been pointed out to you on several occasions, yet you keep on trumpeting out your false claims.

          • Just because I said that the Pentecostals in the video are Pentecostal nut jobs isn’t an ad hominem attack on your person, unless you assume that you are a Pentecostal nut job. But that is your assumption and I am not responsible for any assumptions that you make. If you want to call yourself a “Pentecostal nut job”, that’s okay with me.

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            I am not a Pentecostal. I am a nondenominational as you have been told more than once.

          • This is subterfuge on your part. Why promote that Pentecostal video and why present Pentecostal nut jobs as your heroes? Why promote Pentecostal and Charismatic nonsense as part of your theology if you are non Pentecostal and non-denominational?

          • If God doesn’t exist, how can anyone get right with him?. No-one can, or need, get right with non-exist beings, can they? Perhaps you need to get right with Allah or Thor or Zeus to see how ridiculous your claim to get right with God is !

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            No, I don’t need to accept your confusion as my own.

          • Well, you are the one who is totally confused, not me. The reason for your confusion is that you do not apply rational thinking to your thinking nor do you provide evidence for your claims. You just babble on with the thinking of barbaric, bloodthirsty and ignorant savages that wrote your unholy book. Only by breaking free from your ignorance and wishful thinking can you eliminate your confusion.

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            An interesting site I just discovered and am reading now:

            Start with this article:

            The Logic or Thinking behind Naturalism and Its Derivatives Is Flawed
            on philosophy-of-science dot com

            Quote:
            I and many others have observed that Materialism of any kind is based upon a refusal to look at evidence. My Materialism and My Atheism were based upon a refusal to look at any contradictory evidence. Materialism is deliberately limited and purposefully exclusionary. Materialism is an extremely poor foundation from which to do philosophy and science because Materialism deliberately eliminates the most interesting scientific disciplines from consideration. Rocks can’t do philosophy and science. That’s just the reality of the situation. The rocks did NOT design and create and produce our proteins, genes, genomes, eyes, brains, and physical bodies. Entropy would prevent the rocks from doing so. There’s no such thing as spontaneous generation. Spontaneous generation has been falsified by Science.
            Once we know that Materialism is false and why it is false, then we can no longer use Materialism and Naturalism as our model of reality nor as our basis for science. Consequently, we find ourselves looking for a better and more sustainable model for reality. – end quote

            Please read Paul Davies’ Convincing Proof of God’s Evidence on philosophy of science dot com.

          • I am not a materialist.

            There is no evidence for God’s existence.

  • Seems to me that some of the best pastors are not good administrators. Managing the business of the church is very different from pastoral counseling. But, the gift of administration is important in any church or organization.

    • Jack Wellman

      You are so right Mr. Dodaro. I don’t have that gift & recongnize I would do more harm than good so I leave administration to those who are gifted. Thank you sir.

      • Matthew 22:37

        I think you could manifest this gift, Pastor. It could be waiting to be exercised by you. Until you try and persevere you never know what you can do.

        Of course, you probably prioritize some gifts ahead of the gift of administration not fully developing that one as is only natural because some gifts are higher than others as Paul said.

        Gifts can be related to your God given function in the Body of Christ.

        I know a man who stopped being a minister to become a bible teacher. He felt it was what God really intended for him to do. To teach the Bible not to serve as a minister. But he most likely has taught ministers.

        There can be confusion though I am sure in a believer’s life over what exactly his function is.

        Sometimes people interpret things (including what they should do) too literally or the people around them interpret things too literally and can unintentionally limit another person’s gifts but the Spirit is higher than the letter and a person can come to know what he can do for God better than someone else can determine for him.