Why Is The Gate So Narrow And So Few Find It?

Why Is The Gate So Narrow And So Few Find It? May 10, 2019

Jesus said we are to enter by the narrow gate, so why it is so narrow and why are so few are finding it?

I AM the Door

Jesus referred to Himself as the Good Shepherd (John 10:11), and the door by which all the sheep must go in and come out (John 10:9). He says, “I am the door of the sheep” (John 10:7b), so it is only “To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out” (John 10:3). Notice that His “sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name,” so He knows them by name…but the sheep know Him by His voice or His word, and so “he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice” (John 10:4). The critical thing is not that you know Him, but does He know you (Matt 7:21-23). Jesus also says, “I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture” (John 10:9). The thieves and robbers try to enter by other means (John 10:8), but they have not understood that the only way to receive eternal life is through Jesus Christ, and Him alone. The Apostle Peter narrows it down by saying that “there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). That only name given under heaven by which we can be saved is Jesus Christ. He is the door…the only means by which the sheep may enter. There is no other way.

The Narrow Gate

In what some call the “Golden Rule,” Jesus said that “whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets” (Matt 7:12). This is loving your neighbor as yourself, but then Jesus warns them (and all who would read), “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many” (Matt 7:13). The only way we can enter is through the narrow gate, but why is it so narrow? Perhaps its single file since God has no grandchildren. Each person individually must be brought to repentance and faith in Christ. No one gets in on someone’s coattails or, “I was baptized when I was nine,” or “I was raised in a Christian home.” Perhaps the road is narrow because so few find it. Jesus said, “For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few” (Matt 7:14). People are not willing to deal with their sins and so they simply head down the easy path of destruction. The broad gate is broad because so many are going that way. It’s like an 8-lane expressway, but it’s going in the wrong direction. They, like I, needed to turn and go the other way (repent) and head down the narrow path, difficult as it is. Even though the narrow gate is difficult to take, at least there is “a” way. It’s better than no way at all. We should be thankful that God made a way through Christ. He had no reason for this, other than His love (Rom 5:6-10).

Many, Not Few

In this same chapter, and in the same context of God’s judgment, Jesus again places the many verses the few, saying, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” (Matt 7:21) . Some of those things that are the will of the Father are things we do (Matt 25:35-36) as unto Christ Himself (Matt 25:40), but to many He will say, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me’” (Matt 25:41-43). By saying that many will say to Him, and not a few, He means most. Jesus says, “On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name’” (Matt 7:22)? This is the point when Jesus separates the wheat from the weeds, and He will “declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness’” (Matt 7:23). It’s not that He doesn’t know about them, since He is God and God is omniscient, but in the sense of having a personal, saving relationship which came through repentance and faith. Remember the sheep hear His voice, but He knows His sheep by name (John 10:3)! It is not enough to say, “I know Jesus,” but the most important question is, “Does He know you!”


If God has brought you to repentance (Acts 5:31, 11:18, 16:14; 1 Tim 2:24-26) and faith in Jesus Christ, then you are on the right path. You have chosen to trust in the Door, or the Good Shepherd Who gave His life as a ransom for His sheep (Mark 10:45). Jesus made it clear that “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father” (John 10:18). In fact, He says “For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again” (John 10:17). Jesus says to those who don’t believe in Him, it is “because you are not among my sheep” (John 10:26), but to those who know Him, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand” (John 10:27-28). Only the Spirit of God and the Word of God can reveal the Son of God. I hope He has revealed Himself to you. If not, today is the best of days to trust in Christ, because there are no guarantees that tomorrow will even come (Prov 27:1; Luke 12:19-20; James 4:13-14).

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is a Pastor and Prison Minister in the State of Kansas. Jack is also a writer at Christian Quotes and Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • pud

    “jesus” never said shit. The no name authors of your absurd story book wrote that he “said” this or that. Tell everyone who it was who followed mythical “jesus” around taking dictation? Tell everyone his name janitor jack.

    There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that any such “jesus” ever existed. NONE.

    “Who gave His life as a ransom for His sheep”

    The only part that’s right about this is “sheep”….Dumb, stupid, ignorant herd animals. The idea of human sacrifice is disgusting, absurd and vile. That incredibly stupid and gullible people like you can think this the brilliant workings of a deity is beyond belief. You quite literally “believe” (like stupid indoctrinated sheep) that a “god” sent HIMSELF as a human blood sacrifice to HIMSELF as a loophole to fix a problem he HIMSELF orchestrated…..How can you be so stupid?

    • J.

      I have a question for you Pud – what is your perception/belief/world-view? you faithfully come to this site a few times a week, read the articles so you can accuse and mock a man with different views and beliefs and you have done the same (ridiculed, mocked, and been in my opinion altogether unpleasant) to people who choose to comment and have conversation with you and others. Please share – you now have an audience – please share what DO you believe? Instead of constantly sharing what you refuse to believe, please share some answers to some basic questions: what do you believe in? what is your worldview? what is the origin of life? what is purpose and origin of humans? what is our relationship to each other, to things and the greater world? do you believe that all of “this” is physical or are there other elements in play? what are the elements of our body and how does it “run” by the mind? please share I want to understand where you are coming from but not by what you refuse but what you accept.

      Oh and FYI – you do not properly understand the gospel. as you explained it above as God sending HIMSELF as a human blood sacrifice as a loophole to fix a problem HE orchestrated. That is such a deep misrepresentation of the spiritual exchange and beauty and brilliance of our Lord! no wonder your responses are as they are – I’m not sure what “god” you believe you understand and are rejecting but THAT is not the one “WE” (Christians, Christ followers) know and believe in.

      • pud

        Ok…Fair enough…Now pay attention!

        I do not “believe” anything. I accept certain propositions to degrees of certainty based upon evidence. “Belief” is where the stupid kids play. You can “believe” anything, true or false makes no difference. I am interested in what is true. People “believe” in Bigfoot, alien abduction, the Loch Ness Monster, jesus, angels, demons and magic crystal healing power…..you can “believe” anything regardless of whether it is true or not. Muslims “believe” Hindus “believe” Amazonian tribes “believe” the ancient Greeks “believed” etc etc yet NONE of them “know” or can demonstrate the validity of ANY of their claims….just like you and other christian cult members. I care about what is actually true, you obviously do not.

        I don’t know exactly how life began, if it has a purpose outside of what we give it, or if there is something referred to by ignorant people as the “supernatural”…..”I don’t know” is the ONLY rational and mature stance to take on things we have no evidence for. This is juxtaposed with people who in their ignorance make shit up to fill in the blanks in their lack of knowledge. I do not do that. I will admit to not knowing when I don’t know rather than adopting some cult dogma (like the religious do) or some make believe answer that is comforting…..”It is better to be told a hurtful truth than to be told a comforting lie” RELIGION…all RELIGION is nothing but a comforting lie.

        As to your nonsensical “spiritaual exchange” babble….Is is or is it not a fact that your made up story is of a “god” sending “himself” as a ritual human blood sacrifice to “himself” in order to fix a problem he “himself” orchestrated? Yes or No? This is exactly what your goofy wicked evil insane story reads.

        A story that you “believe” without a shred of evidence to support it. You do NOT “know” you only “believe” which puts you squarely in the EXACT same place as those who “believe” in but cannot demonstrate Bigfoot, alien abduction, Ganesh, Hanuman the monkey god, jesus, moses and the Loch Ness Monster

        • J.

          Thank you for sharing. If I understand you correctly – you do not know how life began or if it has a purpose beyond what we give it. I appreciate that you shared. There were some other questions I had, if you don’t mind: Do you believe that there are any elements at play beside what YOU personally can see, touch, feel, taste etc.? What do you believe the human body is made up of and how does it “run” and interact with the elements around us? Do you believe humans have souls? Spirits? Hearts? Where do emotions,morals, ideas come from? I know those last few are new ones.

          Your communication style is difficult to interact with. Your answers are still mixed with mocking those who live on this planet with you (and those who come before you) ridiculing and name-calling (labeling as ignorant) because, in your personal opinion, others have come up with the “incorrect” answers as they attempt to answer those very same questions and explain what they have discovered. It does seem a bit hateful and harsh to me. Do you feel that way about all views that are different than your own? Do you reject and call others you share the planet with ignorant for answers they have come up with that do not align with what you know to be true or don’t know to be true (admittedly). You personally do not seem to attribute ANY spiritual element to life. As you probably have surmised, I do, why does it trouble you that I accept a spiritual element to life?

          Even though your communication style is to insult me I will answer your specific question about my teaching/learning practice NO. it is not a fact in the Bible (which you call a made up story) that Jesus was a ritual human blood sacrifice to fix a problem that God orchestrated. THAT is not even how the story reads or even close to the elements that are we can pick up that instruct us.

          • pud

            Do you have comprehension issues? Go re-read what I just wrote…I do not “believe” things.

            Humans have “hearts” …there is no evidence for make “believe” souls.

            Morals are social agreements as to what’s considered right and wrong

            Emotions are neuro chemical reactions in our brains

            I do mock you because ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule.

            I have contempt for those who subscribe to the ridiculous because you vote. If you stayed in a cave I wouldn’t care what nonsense you “believed” but because you carry your “beliefs” into the world and have an effect upon it…and because you do not care for what is actually demonstrably true…you are an enemy of reason and therefore someone I am compelled to confront

            The “jesus” human blood magic sacrifice story is EXACTLY as I framed it. Your “god” and “jesus” are magically one in the same but not the same…LOL…your “god” sent a version of HIMSELF as a ritual human blood sacrifice to appease himself (your goofy salvation nonsense) and to fix a problem this “all knowing” deity had to have set up in advance being all knowing.

            Critical and rational thinking don’t hurt…try them some time

          • J.

            mwah ha ha ha ha – oh you child! you know so little but claim to know so much!! You are like a petulant child – is that your daily experience? how dreadful.

            With your venom spewing, yet again, you find so much offense toward others that have different viewpoints (more than just beliefs but different life experiences, study, thinking, propositions, evidence obtained and ideas held). You claim not to be heard and stomp your foot and pout that others HAVE TO agree with me!!!! (so I can prove to myself that I’m right)?! I absolutely hear you and understand you loud and clear which provides me with a much better understanding of you and your understanding and relationship with the world and other people. thank you for sharing more and answering my questions.

            How deeply frightening this life experience must be to you. having certain propositions that you do and shared above and you have convinced yourself that THAT is rational thinking?!? ha ha ha ha – you are so naive!

            Emotions are neural chemical reactions in the brain?!?! THAT is how you approach love and fear? if you are married was that what you shared in your vows? (sarcasm intended). If there were a chart to compare our lives and experiences in this fabulous adventure, I can guarantee that my life, relationships, health, finance and daily experiences etc. would outshine yours a million times a million. I feel sorry oh so sorry for you! poor thing.

            And yet STILL – the way you framed the whole “goofy salvation nonsense” again – you are absolutely, 100% inaccurate. THAT is the way you read it and understand it with what you call “rational thinking”. But I can assure you, you are 180 degrees off, you have it upside down and backwards and totally wrong. But that does not surprise me with your other childish rantings I described above. It is absolutely astounding to me that you call others idiots and ridicules our views (reminding you that I am not simply talking about beliefs) yet stand in your ideas so unteachable, rigid and vain. who is the fool?

          • pud

            Curious as to how many “sins” you just committed with that infantile unintelligent self glorifying total capitulation? Oh, my dad can beat up your dad! So I win

          • J.

            sin committed? who lives and thinks like that? You have the entire foundation wrong so it does not surprise me that you think that THAT is what it is all about. self-glorifying? what a projection! all of your childish outbursts are filled with self-glorification, I’M RIGHT and I WIN’s – thank you for proving my point in your ending above. To think that you find this acceptable behavior as you stand in your perceived victory – what a sorry existence. Fool. Child. Nonsense.

          • Rational Human

            You keep condescendingly telling us that the sacrifice himself to himself to appease himself is all wrong, but you won’t offer a correction, why is that? If you are a Trinitarian, please do set us silly ignoramus straight.

          • J.

            Hello Rational Human thanks for jumping in.
            Emotions being brain states – I am not claiming to be a neural scientist and the similar venom and sarcasm in which you begin your statements leads me to believe that you also operate, like Pud, with a very proud heart.

            I did not bother to teach Pud the truth of the teachings because I have observed that he is unteachable. His proud heart believes that he is correct. He assumes that the way that he sees and interprets the world is the only way that there is and he is offended by others that try to offer other or different interpretations. You have also misinterpreted the salvation message. Your choice of words – “appease himself” – is a specific example of your misunderstanding of the teachings and nature of God. That statement alone proves that you have included cultural interpretations of gods that require appeasement in your definition and idea of God and these ideas are from traditions of man not the truth that is taught in the Bible.

            As to emotions being brain states. The questions I asked Pud where attempts to get a read on where he is coming from. I never claimed to have neuroscience background. His response was telling to me and allowed me to observe (1) without a foundation of a creator and no ideas or views about our purpose for being here also leaves one with little understanding or appreciation of emotions. Emotions add pleasure, comfort, and richness to events and relationships (2) there was also no mention of any of the new scientific discoveries of the involvement of the heart in the generation and processing of emotions. Research has clearly shown there is extensive neural traffic from the brain to the heart, remarkably, we now know that the heart sends more neural traffic to the brain than the brain sends to the heart. Not that my expectation was for Pud to be familiar with that research but his response was, as expected, one that validates that he believes that he is only his mind/brain.
            You will not get any argument from me that animals experience emotions. However I will not take the giant leap that many make to classify all humanity as just another animal species. That understanding of humanity is a limiting view and false interpretation of the origin of life and humanity. There is a Creator and humans were created uniquely in His image and likeness.

          • Rational Human

            Like every other theist, you continue to sidestep my humble requests for evidence and just make assertions about non-evidential creators who created things for a purpose.

            You did not provide your version of the atonement somehow doesn’t include appeasement God’s wrath for sin and sinners.

            And you make grand leaps that the blood pumping muscle of the heart is a primary driver of emotions, again with no citations. If course there are neural pathways between brain and heart…Those pathways exist between the brain and the spleen too. Why isn’t the spleen where our emotions reside? Liver? Lungs? The bottom of my little toe? How bout the foreskin that your God demanded his followers cut off to show their loyalty? Neural pathways run to ever organ in the body, genius.

          • J.

            Silly to get off on the tangent of emotions residing in your foreskin – what a rabbit hole – not even deserving of a response. nonsense. unfortunately that is what happens when you believe you are only your mind. the mind continually wastes time and energy with ridiculous endeavors you just displayed.

            You did not “humbling request” evidence. But you are right, I should have implied it because you, and others like you and Pud, insist that it be presented to you over and over and over again. It appears that you do this so that you can challenge us who do know of God’s existence so you can convince us that we are the naive ones. Pretending that you care for us poor, delusional people, helping us realize our hope is completely ill-founded. Consider this Rational Human (and pud if you are listening): Perhaps your quest, to prove to me that I am wrong, is really to take the issue off the table for yourself so that you are free to go about your life. (smile) The reason the topic of God weighs so heavily on your mind, is because God is pressing the issue. God wants to be known by you. He created all of us with the intention that we would know Him. He has surrounded us with evidence of Himself and He keeps the question of His existence squarely before us. Do you feel as if you cannot escape thinking about the possibility of God? Its normal. It is a common experience that the day people finally acknowledge God’s existence, it often starts with “OK, You win…” (smile) I bless in your experience of God’s pursuit of you.

            As for the Atonement – you are not prepared to hear the truth of this message. However, if you just create a little crack in your paradigm and become willing to see things a different way, you will quickly be taught the truth of what it is. Today you have given so much power to your own mind and your sense of identity independent of God but maybe in your current paradigm you can understand that atonement is to ‘accept the correction’.

          • Rational Human

            The silliness started when you suggested emotions reside in the heart, due to neural pathways between it and the brain. (Again…citation, please?) The skin is the largest organ in the body, and the foreskin having many nerve endings means by your logic, it could also lay claim to being the seat of emotions.

            You have that special combination of ignorance and arrogance that so endears Christians to the rest of us. Your fallback apologetic is to call me stupid and unteachable, rather than making your case. Still can’t explain the theology of the atonement without acknowledging the appeasement God’s wrath via the shedding of blood, can you? Still won’t answer my most basic of challenges? Makes me wonder what kind of modern reading of 1 Peter 3:15 you are modelling?

          • J.

            There are studies coming out of the HeartMath institute, one place that you can reference if you truly are interested. Heart-Brain Neurodynamics study here: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e33b/9ee3c575c6a38b873888e796d29f59d98e04.pdf a quick google search on your own and you can find other research is discovering neurons in the heart https://exploringyourmind.com/the-heart-has-neurons-too/ and other citations/references to what I was referring to above.

            BUT as you noted, It was me that started you down the rabbit hole. Please come back up – I was not attempting to make a point, I was simply asking questions to determine where Pud (and you?) were coming from – emotions have long remained an enigma to science and I was simply curious.

            I am a bit stunned that you describe me as arrogant and ignorant – you have absolutely have no idea my motives or tone from words on a page. I even included my smile when I was truly smiling and I blessed your experience. Are you projecting? attributing your own feelings to me? and you call me ignorant because of my views?

            I was attempting to understand where Pud was coming from when he shows up each week to mock and harass this man and others who have different opinions than he does. you jumped into that conversation. I wanted to understand what he believed about some basic questions about our origin, purpose etc. not from a place of superiority, more from curiosity. I did not call YOU stupid and unteachable, If you recall that was my response to why I did not more fully explain my theological view of the Atonement to Pud. As you “challenged” me I noted just from your own question that you, as Pud, also have a current paradigm about appeasement to an angry god and THAT is a misrepresentation. You asked me to explain the theology of the atonement without acknowledging the appeasement of God’s wrath via the shedding of blood, and I did. I’m not sure what “god” you believe you understand and are rejecting but THAT is not the one I know and follow.

            atonement is to accept the correction.

            I will add a bit more explanation here: It is about God doing something to make peace with us and us accepting it. It is not God running from man but man running from God that needs to be resolved.

            the reason for the hope that I have is because I have made Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior (your 1 Peter 3 reference)

          • Rational Human

            Are you saying emotions are not brain states? Please, do share your extensive neuroscience background with us, and tell us where but the brain we experience emotions.

            Most higher mammals experience a range of emotions – primates, dogs, dolphins most definitely experience fear, happiness, confusion, even basic social morality and fair play. Where but their brains do these experiences originate?

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          Why don’t you try proving God to yourself if you have the nerve. Get down on your knees every day and ask God to demonstrate His power by hitting you with a lightning bolt.

          You don’t like Him for respecting your weak frame and sending His Son to die in your place for your sins and giving the Word to wash evil out of your mind…Instead you cling to the stain of your sin and deny everything Jesus did for you.

          Why don’t you ask Him to hit you with so much power that you roll on the floor in pain for a couple of days.

          He hit Saul with blindness. Ask God to hit you with some blindness for a while. Until your confusion lifts.

          You don’t respect Him for showing mercy and grace so ask Him to give you the rod of correction like He did to blaspheming, murderously persecuting Saul on the Road to Damascus.

          Get up your nerve and get down on your knees and ask Him for the rod of correction every day until He grants your request.

          And if you lack the nerve to do that don’t demand proof any more.

          Plenty of Christians have been touched by God but you keep writing off their testimony.

          So GET YOUR OWN testimony.

          Explain to God how lost you feel in your darkened mind and ask him to send you the rod of correction or don’t you ever set up on this board calling another person a lunatic or a coward.

          Because your ignorance does not over rule someone else’s knowledge. To you maybe but not to anybody else.

          Ask God to knock you flat for your disobedience and your blasphemy and do it as soon as possible so you have time to course correct in this lifetime.

          You demanded to know didn’t you. Then go ask God to rod you with the rod of correction until you stop acting like you know things which you cannot even prove.

          • pud

            Just sent him an email asking for some blindness….waiting….waiting….. omfg!! I can’t see!

            Wow dude..you are so sick. The “rod of correction” eh?

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            I don’t know that you are a human being. You could be an evil angel.

            God might ignore you. You suppressed knowledge of Him cf. Romans 1:18.

            He might not hear your request now if you reprobated yourself.

            I knew an atheist once who said he didn’t like Jesus. He was bipolar and moderator of a mixed forum though the atheists were vocal in it. He left the forum to go off to medical school he claimed but died a couple of years later. He probably was sick all along. I am glad I made the attempt to re-educate him because he had a great sense of humor. Maybe being bipolar messed with his comprehension or made him unable to hear God out. Who knows for sure except God?

            Do angels exist? God says they do. I met a Christian person once who admitted to having an evil spirit and claimed to have astral projected a few times.

            Was he an angel or just some guy having out of body experiences.

            Go ahead. Toss his testimony out, too. You tossed God’s out because you act like you think you have absolute knowledge over everything when you don’t. You prove your own ignorance every day by demanding proof instead of getting a relationship with God.

            Is that sound if God exists?

            People say they received godly impulses not like themselves, people say God touched them and they were there. You, pud, you weren’t there.

            You illegally come along like an accuser of the brethren and say show the evidence. Not the testimony where the real power of God was experienced.

            No you want to dismiss God to serve your own evil motive so you demand some objective, inanimate powerless thing rather than a witness.

            One of the greatest proofs is given in Acts where the Holy Spirit was delivered to people yet you won’t let the people testify about this today.

            You unilaterally denigrate their testimony which is eyewitness evidence to toss it out without consideration. In other words YOU refuse to admit the evidence into evidence.

            So get your own evidence Ms. Claim to Know It All. Ask God for it and hope the devil does not strike you down dead before He answers you.

            I am walking under God’s authority and power as a Christian but you’re not. So who’s going to protect you from the devil.

            I would seriously think about it if I were you.

            Maybe you already do and your subconscious fear on top of your rebellion has driven you out of your mind.

            Whatever makes you so crazy does not give you a right to mock or belittle other people.

            So make that appeal to God to receive a correction and make it regularly until you do.

            You’re the one out on the Net trying to remove God’s protection from people when you need it yourself.

            I bet you never received correction growing up did you?

            The Rod of Correction

            There is no reason for anyone to prove anything to anyone when he can make his appeal to God directly unless he lost the right to appeal.

            Repentance is when God agrees to hear your appeals/prayers and He starts to work with the sinner.

            When you haven’t lived like a repentant Christian I don’t know what you are doing on a blog dedicated to God attempting to boss them around from a position of spiritual ignorance.

            You need to learn some reverence and respect for God so He will help you learn spiritual matters.

            So ask God to give you the right attributes to approach Him and receive your faith unless there is something wrong with you.

            Without faith you have no connection established with God so how can your opinion be authoritative?

            Get your own testimony. Seek God’s face and get your own testimony or stop trying to boss people who know things better than you do.

            This isn’t science. This is faith. The substance of things hoped for.

        • Jan-Peter Schuring

          You may feel you have freedom in your lack of any conviction, secular or transcendent, but that is an illusion. The black hole of cynical nihilism will sap much joy from this time here on earth. Plant your flag somewhere and transcend to something higher then self absorbed navel gazing. But as Kierkegaard rightly said most men will go through life avoiding the lurking existential abyss by crass amusement and numbing indulgences.

          “If we buy into the perspective that the world objectively exists in and by itself, we have fallen under a self-created and self-perpetuating spell, evoking evidence that simply confirms our original unexamined assumption. This is a process in which our mind’s own genius for cocreating reality is unwittingly turned against us in a way that can severely limit us, stifling the awareness of our options and thus crippling our greater potentials. We can become imprisoned by our belief in the objective truth of our perceptions in such a way that we hypnotize ourselves and literally become blind to our imprisonment, remaining convinced that in our deluded state we are simply “in touch with reality.” Unfortunately, this is a grievous error with quite serious consequences that many of us have fallen into.” – – – Paul Levy

          • pud

            I have provisional conviction in the truth of many things as any intelligent rational person should. I don’t need make believe and pretend as my “flag”

          • pud

            I read some of you other comments…you seem like a lost man desperate to find something to cling to regardless of whether it’s true or not. Sad. Rational intelligent people start with the questions not a need for a conclusion and evidence to fit that pre conception. Sad. Rational intelligent people are comfortable with not knowing…insecure people will accept any bad answer over no answer at all. Sad.

        • Walter Schumm

          If you are so into facts, why no interest in my statistical, scientific disproof of Islam? Is it only OK to argue against one religion but not others?

          • pud

            Demonstrating muslims as religious lunatics doesn’t do a thing to prove you’re also not religious luantics

          • Walter Schumm

            I agree with that except I am not saying they are lunatics only that their religion’s history is factually incorrect.

  • Theodore A. Jones

    The gate is a law.

  • Theodore A. Jones

    The gate is a law.

  • Walter Schumm

    You’re right in that the real name of Jesus was Yeshua or Eshoo or something more like that in the Aramaic, which we would normally translate as Joshua today. So “Jesus” per se didn’t exist. But to believe he didn’t exist you have to discount a great deal of historical evidence from non-Christians. It’s not so strange. Sometimes I visit my grandchildren and clean house, do dishes, prepare meals. I guess I created this problem because if I had raised my kids better, maybe they would have all their children trained well to do it themselves. But I sacrifice my time/life to clean up the mess. Soldiers jump on live hand grenades to save their comrades, dying so their friends can live. When you eat food, it is dying or was killed so you could live. The concept of some things dying so others could live is all around us in many aspects of life, so why does it seem so strange to you? Furthermore, this didn’t occur in some vacuum. Upwards of 400 prophecies occurred long before Yeshua was born about what the messiah would be like and would do. I don’t expect anyone to agree, but just food for thought.

    • pud

      There are NO prophecies whatsoever. You lunatics read into one story which was written AFTER the first story so as to comport with its lunacy. The idea that an all powerful “god” had to orchestrate some bizarre ritual sacrifice is patently absurd.

      • Walter Schumm

        What’s really absurd is believing in a religion where the story goes that mecca was the original direction of prayer but my statistical analyses prove that it was not so (thanks to Dan Larson’s research, I just put it into statistics), that Petra was the original direction.

      • Susan Jane Elohim

        Pastor Wellman IS the evidence.

  • Susan Jane Elohim

    God’s love never fails. Cf. Psalms 118 and 136.

  • An ordinary human teacher can graduate 100% of their students. It’s surprising that God can’t.

    • Jan-Peter Schuring

      You are right. This assumes of course that you accept the idea that God will save some and not all. The Bible actually has more verses that validate the idea that all men will be redeemed than those that seemingly say that God will eternally punish some. The universalist reading will beautifully and biblically declare that Christ will triumph and redeem all. Corrective punishment out of a Father’s Love yes, eternal conscience torment unthinkable.

      • pud

        Who cares what the buybull says? Why should anyone give a rats ass?

      • One verse that supports your claim is Rom. 5:19: “just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.” That is, we didn’t opt in to get Adam’s sin, and we don’t have to opt in to get Jesus’s salvation.

        Do you have other passages in mind?

        And what does it say about the Bible that it can be made to say these very different things (salvation for all vs. only for some)?

        • Jan-Peter Schuring

          Here are a few more verses.

          “Jesus, was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for EVERYONE.” (Heb. 2:9)

          “This is good and acceptable in the sight of our God our saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Tim. 2:3-6, KJV)

          “This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, Who is the Savior of ALL MEN, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach.” (1 Tim. 4:9-11)

          “At the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, of those in heaven, and those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that EVERY tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” (Phil. 2:10:11)

          “God was pleased to have all fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself ALL THINGS on earth or in heaven, by making peace through His blood, shed on the cross. Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in His sight, without blemish and free from accusation.” (Col. 1:19, 21, 22)

          In Jesus Christ is “the restoration of ALL THINGS, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:21)

          The Gospel is “good tidings of great joy will be to ALL people.” (Luke 2:10)

          To your other question this is a combination of two factors. The first is the direction the Western Church took with Constantine when it picked up the sword and became part of the power structure. Augustine the Latin patristic father who was a lawyer heavily influenced the interpretation of scripture to be penal oriented in both the atonement and in its soteriology. The Eastern Patristic fathers kept tp a more universalist interpretation. The obvious use of the stick of eternal punishment was a useful tool for the church as it was now part of the judicial and social structure in power.

          It is at this point that translations started to change key words from Greek like aeon (which meant “within God’s time” or “of a God age”) to everlasting. The ingrained ideas of Augustine became orthodox to the point that even scholars had to contort themselves to argue away the many obvious universalist Verses.

          Thomas Talbott’s “The Inescapable Love of God” is a great book to give you a deep and thorough understanding of both the process of how it came about and also the clear exposition of Universalist ideas in the Bible.

          Finally of course is the clear cognitive dissonance of the meta narrative of the Bible that on the one hand has Jesus’s ministry of Love and Peace juxtaposed to Eternal Conscious Torment. The more one ponder’s this the more incongruent it gets.

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          A major assist to improve your biblical comprehension which Satan has impacted here:

          The Serpent’s Seed

          You need to be able to understand symbolism Bob. If you don’t the devil can use it against you.

          Being overly literal when interpreting the Bible is one way the devil impedes your progress.

          Be sure to find a serious Bible teacher to study under.

          Satanists could be on Patheos masquerading as atheists trying to impede your spiritual understanding.

          You’re going to have to stay determined to learn once you receive your faith.

    • A teacher can’t teach people who “shoot first and ask no questions later” like people who follow “Moses” do. The truth is most of the Bible is “thin air” – utterly false and worthless – but there is a god here. I hope it has mercy on me because it’s not its fault I was blinded by the Bible, but it’s not really my fault either. Regardless, it’s a god and I’m a monkey so I am at its disposal.


      • If the Bible is worthless, why believe there’s a god?

        Are you saying you support Jesus Camp for children?

        • No, I mean on this planet in my lifespan there is a living god partially like the gospels describe. By “god” I mean superior to a human, out of the control of a human, and indifferent to the opinions of a human. Except it actually appears to be bound by physical, scientific laws so it is bound by the fact that the Bible is a book and you are a monkey and it can’t force you to give up the book because of physical laws. Hence the gospels lie about omnipotent miracles because the “Old Testament” lies about them.

          I don’t know why I have this lifespan because “my fate” was charted in advance before I was born and I don’t remember anything before I was born. Most or all of my actions in this life have been controlled by a a god – but I wasn’t aware of that until I was about age 33. I don’t know what purpose this serves because I seem to be the only person knowledge of this fact has any effect on.

          “God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” – John 4:24


          • Any evidence for these unorthodox beliefs?

          • Tons, but the evidence only has an effect on me so there’s plenty of reason to conclude my life is just some sort of divine punishment.

            Nobody has ever produced a shred of evidence for “Yahweh” and yet people have been murdering, raping, plundering, extorting, censoring, and oppressing “for Yahweh” in “Jesus name” for centuries.

            Since I somehow obtained a copy of that book in this lifespan in California, USA and was forced to learn it by “authority figures” and nobody otherwise should possess the book much less have acted on it in history because it’s against divine law, it’s reasonable enough to conclude my lifespan is some sort of torture dimension/prison.


        • I “met” a god, that’s why I believe in a god. I was an atheist for over a decade after being raised Pentecostal. This world literally revolves around ME, individually, to my horror. That means it’s some sort of “hell dimension” or I am God’s son.



        • Susan Jane Elohim

          Bob you have been influenced by the devil to deny God and rebel against Him.

          I am going to pray specifically for you right now so you stop trying to control God and dismiss Him.

          You are greatly loved by God and your receipt of this love and cherishing of it in your heart will break the devil’s hold on your thoughtlife.

          You are not Simon Magus so stop demanding He display His power. Accept that you are priceless to God so He sent Jesus to ransom you from the devil, sin, the world and your own old flesh nature.

          Let no sin rule over you. See Psalm 119 verse 133.

          If you ask for faith then you asked for God’s will to be done in your life and you will receive it from God. All you do is Ask, Accept and Receive. Then you will be like a newborn lamb with Christ’s lamblike nature incipient in you.

          Stay in the Word. Remove yourself from evil company and bad influences that incite sin in you. Read the Word. Let the Word wash you and remove the bad seed (bad ideas) coming from the devil through the world to you.

          Avoid all dens of iniquity. The Net is filled with such dens because people refusing to be filled with the Spirit like to congegate in bars, strip clubs, dirty lyrical music, dirty movies, etc.

          You can hardly watch a movie today without some singer or director throwing soft porn or the dirty “f” word these days. Some people sell out to the devil for fame and fortune and don’t even realize they did it.

          Look at Wendy Williams. Claiming to be a Christian while she sows gossip on the tv waves for millions of dollars. Or Beyonce chanting “f” words in her rap songs.

          You and everyone else have to be obedient to be filled with the Spirit.

          God uses the dedicated, consecrated and obedient people.

          Dedication to sin undermines that.

          So get your heart right with God, Bob. I am praying that God wakes you up right now.

          Have a blessed life, Brother and stop letting Satan kill the activation of Jesus’ seed in your life.

          You protect it and nourish it and it will flourish with a new nature in you.

          Be blessed, Yolanda Adams

          We Fall Down, McClurkin

          Stand, McClurkin

          These songs picture the Christian’s walk. Satan knocks everyone down with sin but you can repent, obey God and change your ways and get back up again and follow Jesus.

          It is God’s will that you learn to do that.

          Buy a copy of Strongman’s His Name What’s His Game by the Robesons to learn the devil’s tactics and keep him out and visit Everett Cox’s Deliverance Ministry training site for further training on how to do it.

          Peace Be With You, friend. God will save you. Just trust Him. He has your best interest at heart and is your very best friend.

          Peace Be With You!

          • I am going to pray specifically for you right now so you stop trying to control God and dismiss Him.

            Is this prayer supposed to have an effect in our reality? Do you think I’ll notice anything?

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Here’s your prayer, Bob. I am taking inspiration from Missions Director Chad McEachern of the Edmundite Missions of Selma, Alabama for your prayer.

            Glorious Heavenly Father,

            Bob Seidensticker feels weak in faith and would like your reassurance and guidance in all things

            I know that You will be the source of strength and greater courage in Bob’s life and be with him giving him the Spirit to lead him in the right direction and continuous life giving truth.

            Help him to understand that you are always there for him when he walks through the valley of the shadow of death so he never has to fear death or evil and annoint him as your child.

            Bless him with all the good things in life and help him put on the whole Armor of God. Show him to a good church to get immersed in baptism so he will feel your whole annointing from the sole of his feet to the crown of his head.

            Build Him up Father and keep him from falling as much as possible.

            In the name of Yeshua Ha’Messiach, I pray for Bob. Amen

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Read up on Genesis 3 symbolism and tear your blog down.

            It’s irrational to draw parallels between human sexual behavior and that of irrational animals that let their instincts control them.

            Listen to God and put your mind over matter.

            The symbolism explained:

          • Read up on the Documentary Hypothesis and see how the two creation stories fit together.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Well I hope you’re not too proud to admit it if you discover you are wrong, Bob.

            If I were you I would repent, disassociate myself from bad company long enough to get consecrated and baptized, stop blogging and maybe fly to Israel and get baptized in the River Jordan.

            Baptism symbolizes the old sinful man dying and you rising back out of the water as a new man in Christ. Then if you really meant the commitment you made in your heart to God then the REAL EDUCATION begins. Be sure not to get yoked with unbelievers. It’s hard for you to be a part of God’s family and serve God with other people close to you trying to buck God’s value system. We’re born again. We have a whole new nature. We put on Christ but you have to die to self to do that.

            I should have wrote a letter to Hitchens but he probably would not have gotten it.

            I mailed the Gospel to Dawkins at Oxford once but it came back in the mail unopened.

            You be an independent thinker and a seeker, Bob.

            God converts atheists to believers every day. Just don’t cross that line and become an anti theist.

            I know this agnostic atheist who’s family had a saint in it who did good works all the time. They’re still confused about God but they would never think a Christian could not raise children like Dawkins does.

            A good part of the free world is free and good and progressive because God is still making saints and they do a lot of good works for people inspired by Jesus.

            I know of a Cambodian convert to Christianity because of all the Christian community charity he witnessed. In Buddhism all the donations go to support the monks. Not to charity.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            I also was hoping to stop by Oxford in England. I had the funny idea I might run into Dawkins though I was just going on a castle tour that day.

            Guess what. I was early to the tour bus site but the bus never showed. So I went back to the hotel and had to stay in the hotel for several days with a cold until I flew home.

            Must have been the will of God. Dawkins isn’t an atheist. He’s a militant, anti-theist.

          • Dawkins follows the evidence. I’ll take that over make believe.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Dawkins doesn’t comprehend priest’s language. He said he hates it in one of his books.

            A lot of the Bible is told in symbolic language. Even great saints have trouble understanding all the symbolism.

            You need to google and read Creation’s Jubilee and see the symbolism translated into English for you. That is a very old ancient Hebrew Asiatic culture with it’s own peculiar idioms that is not easily understood today but all Jones does is study the Bible and write books on it. So who knows better than him except other people who do the same thing.

            He’s a missionary type from a missionary family. Raised consecrated and dedicated from the cradle like Jesus was.

            I believe that book is the most important book ever written after the Bible and Dawkins would have refused to read it.

            If I had it all to do over again I would have sent the Gospel to Hitchens. He might have been a more reasonable man capable of admitting his error than Dawkins was if it was pointed out to him but I didn’t.

            Look at Lee Strobel. A more reasonable less proud man and Francis Collins, too.

            I don’t control the hard heartedness and unreasonable determination of a man’s heart or their response to God.

            A person has to be willing to surrender all to God out of love and respect and their own free will. Pride hardens the will so people refuse to surrender all to God and it gives Satan a foothold into their life.

            Google the essay Absolute Surrender by Andrew Murray and read it.

            I think that essay is in a dead tie with Creation’s Jubilee for most important work after the Bible to read.

            Though a lot of God’s best people like to read My Utmost for His Highest by Oswald Chambers or A.W. Tozer’s works.

            Hannah Whitall Smith wrote Secret to a Christian’s Happy Life which is still a classic but some Christian zealot censored her work and took out her chapter where she discussed her special revelation from God on universal reconciliation.

            Have a blessed day, Bob!

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            This is the Gospel version that I sent to Dawkins. The UR version.

            If God Could Save Everyone, Would He?

            I carried it to Washington D.C. and passed it out in front of 7 or 8 monuments to everyone passing. At the first one there was this Christian lady nearby with a banner that protested same sex marriage. We were in front of the Supreme Court.

            The Supreme Court guards forced me to surrender a copy of the handout which I did along with the other two handouts I was handing out.

            One of my favorite quotes by the Reverend I D Williamson from his online essay The Nature of Salvation:

            I may remark, in passing, that GOD is the Savior of no more than he saves or will save. If ten men are in danger of upsetting a boat, and I go out to save them, you could not call me the savior of ten, unless I saved them. If you saw me launch out for their relief, and knew perfectly well that I would save them, you could with propriety call me the savior of the ten, even before the work was actually done. But if it should turn out, in the end, that I should save but five, then it would prove, that you were mistaken in saying that I was the savior of the ten. So here, God is not the Savior of a soul more than he actually saves. True, that work is not yet accomplished. But the apostle knew that he had engaged in the work, and that he could not fail of success, and therefore he called him the Savior of all men. But should it turn out, in the end, that God should save but a part, then would it be proved that the apostle was wrong, when he called him the “Savior of all men.”

            I know it is said, that God OFFERS salvation to all, but it should be remembered that an OFFER of salvation is one thing, and SALVATION ITSELF is another. If I offer to save a man who is drowning, THAT does not save him, neither does it make me his savior from death. God may offer salvation to man, but that does not save him, neither does it make God his Savior. He is the Savior only of as many as he saves. Should any man dispute this, I ask him to go forward to the future world, and as he looks down into that dismal hell, in which he believes, and beholds the multitude of its hopeless inhabitants, let him tell me, if he will, in what sense God is their Savior? It matters not what may have been OFFERED them, what have they RECEIVED? is the question on which your answer must depend. I care not what MEANS may have been put in operation for their salvation. If these means were not EFFECTUAL, and they are not saved, then God is not their SAVIOR, and the apostle labored and suffered reproach for a trust, that was vain and futile in the extreme. – end quote

            Now that is how great God is. He intends to save everyone. “Each in his own order.” The bible says that. Each in his own order but that order is mysterious and nobody should be bypassing his spiritual birth in Jesus and being adopted into God’s holy family where they abide in Christ cf. John 15.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            God supplied the evidence already but you need to adopt His perspective to spot it. He’s provided quite a lot of evidence, too but the natural world and people are good at destroying and/or not maintaining the evidence.

            I have personal evidence of divine inspiration right now but am not able to take good enough care of it so may donate it to some evidence caretakers soon.

            On this blog. God supplied Pastor Wellman as the evidence. All you have to do is read the thousands of personal attacks made on him by pud over many years to know Wellman has to have the fruit of the spirit manifesting in his life to continually bless pud in prayer and encourage all of God’s faithful followers to do likewise. By doing that he may have put a hedge of protection around pud. pud could suffer from some type of mental disorder because you can never get her to stop carrying on against the pastor and accusing him of child abuse. So in her fragile state the pastor protected her.

            Spend time on Christian Crier or go back and read pud’s posts and you will see what I mean.

            Have a blessed day. God could even protect a horrible reprobate if the right person appeals to Him according to God’s will. pud never appeals to God. The Pastor et al appeal for her.

            If you’re going to use a psychological perspective to assess evidence then use the most accurate one. God’s.

            Sinners are not ethically holy and impartial like God is.

            God is the only One regarding every person and group on this planet without bias.

            Take care.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            I think it’s likely Dawkins has narcissistic personality disorder. That might invalidate his ability to think independently and impartially on evidence. He does try to manipulate the public’s opinion, too.

            But he has no philosophy, theology or psychiatric credentials to back the manipulative claims he makes to the public.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Putting you on block now following Matthew 7:6.

            Atheism is a perverse spirit.

            There’s no reason for a good Christian like me to continue to discuss a perverse spirit’s reasons for rebellion.

            Every human is responsible for getting his own heart right with God. That is the burden each person carries for himself. Perverse spirit or not.

            God Bless.

          • Good call. So much for the universality of Christ’s message, eh?

            I hear a meme struggling to remain alive.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Taking off now.

            I am done with talking to people who put bad people’s bad ideas ahead of God’s so they could stay in sinful rebellion to Him.

            Keeping bad company has social consequences.


            It would be very wise not to make friends with bad people. Bad company can lead you to do things that are not suitable for Christians. It can be an unbelieving boyfriend or girlfriend, it can be an ungodly family member, etc. Never forget peer pressure comes from bad and fake friends. It’s true and it will always be true “bad company ruins good morals.”

            Bad comany corrupts good character the bible says.

            Here are the verses on it:

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            If you simply obey God and stop making up excuses you can put mind over matter.

            Yes a human being has a gut instinct that is frequently right.

            But what if your will has been compromised by sin.

            Better just to love and respect God enough to obey Him.

            Imagine God didn’t pick you for Gideon’s Army so He could show His power to the world?

            You have to be dedicated and consecrated for God to use you. Not consorting with the world in your thoughtlife like an animal.

            I’m not an animal. I’m a person made in God’s image and I am going to let Him lead me into a higher enlightened mind and state of being.

            People make their excuses for not letting God do that. People are good at hanging onto their sins and at making all sorts of false idols they put ahead of God then they try to convince you they are right.

            Look at Christopher Hitchens. His brother was set free by Jesus while Christopher hung back a slave to the sin of alcoholism all upset about the death of his mother. He could have set her free with a prayer and turned her over to God’s care but he preferred wallowing in his grief and alcoholism because he was too weak to listen and obey God.

            May the Lord be with you!

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          Bad Company ( they bring bad counsel and role models into your life and incite sinful behavior and some people are weaker to sin than others. Sin is inherited and part of our genetic makeup.)


          You have to resist sin and cut it’s access off to yourself. Go to a Weight Watcher’s class. They tell the gluttons not to bring bad foods into the home. AA tells alcoholics to stay out of bars. Gambler’s Anonymous would tell you to avoid casinos if you are a gambler. Sin comes in many self destructive forms.

          Pedophile even runs in families.

          Homosexuality is inborn just like other disabilities can be or can be learned from abusive relationships.

          Study sin. Lots of impulse control problems.

          Jesus will teach you impulse control before you destroy yourself won’t he but the world teaches people to scorn Jesus.

          • No, homosexuality isn’t a disability. Does God exist? Then he made homosexuals.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Bob, some homosexuals are born because in utero too much of a hormone is released affecting their brain development. A person can be born with a cleft palate and we call that a disability.

            So why isn’t homosexuality.

            A high number of homosexuals report molestation and trauma when they are in the young developmental stage.

            Donnie McClurkin is an example of a man who God delivered from homosexuality. He was molested by 2 older men in his family and it affected him.

            There’s an African American woman who was a magazine editor for gays for two decades then decided she wasn’t gay. She thought she was after a couple of bad heterosexual relationships.

            Read the Gay Christian site some time. You have the obedient gays who are abstaining from a gay sexual life style and the disobedient ones not obstaining but sometimes practicing monogamy.

            Homosexuality was on the DSM until the 1970s and the American Psychiatric Associstion started to get death threats to remove it from the DSM list.

            This is all very complex.

            Pedophelia runs in families, too.

          • A person can be born with a cleft palate and we call that a disability.
            So why isn’t homosexuality.

            Homosexuality has been observed in 500 animals. Homophobia in only one.

            Which one seems unnatural now?

            (I stole this from a t-shirt.)

            You have the obedient gays who are abstaining from a gay sexual life style

            Is that doable? I’ll believe that when I see straight Christians abstaining from sex simply to prove that it is.

            What I see instead is straight Christians happy to impose their views on homosexuals, unconcerned that living a celibate lifestyle for most people is an enormous imposition.

            Homosexuality was on the DSM until the 1970s

            Everyone makes mistakes. Apparently they followed the science instead of emotional biases.

            This is all very complex.

            Not really. Some people are homosexual. If you don’t like homosexual sex, don’t have any. If God exists, he must love homosexuals since he made so many. Find an actual problem to worry about rather than someone else’s happiness.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Homophobia isn’t a Christian’s rational objection to it. Homophobia is a perjorative term misapplied to Christians.

            Homophobia means an unwanted same sex attraction. Some men react extremely against an unwanted same sex attraction.

            This world misinterprets and misapplies a lot.

            If a gay wants to believe God and do things His way that’s his decision.

            Why doesn’t this interfering busybody of a world that doesn’t even bother to learn God’s perspective or think to protect the rights of children from molestation stay out of things?

            God said to train up a child but we don’t. We go through puberty many without knowing God in the scriptures then some of those people turn rebellious against God.

            Then instead of consenting to learn from God they carry these civil rights issues out into the world and proceed to pillory God and His people.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Read Bruce Bagemihl. The animal behavior expert. Homosexuality is likely a mistake that occurs by animals while mating.

            As Bagemihl said we cannot know what is in the mind of an animal to draw conclusions from their behavior.

            Can you interview an animal.

            That mating instinct could put animals in a frenzy and natural mistakes could occur.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Bob, homosexuality particularly male to male sex is medically documented as risky.

            Research it.

            If their disobedience causes the outbreak of a disease or even a new disease (because a new disease could break out at any time) then anyone could potentially be affected by it.

            A disease can be a curse of a disobedient lifestyle.

            Exodus 15:26 English Standard Version (ESV)

            26 saying, “If you will diligently listen to the voice of the Lord your God, and do that which is right in his eyes, and give ear to his commandments and keep all his statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you that I put on the Egyptians, for I am the Lord, your healer.”

            Read my profile. Someone is intentionally persecuting me by deleting my posts to you in this thread.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            I am no longer against same-sex marriage but they should never have called it that. Civil union is the accurate term.

            God said for Christians to be salt and light in this world not to regulate and control the world’s immorality.

            Christians should have separated themselves from the world. It’s time for Christians to come out of the world. We don’t really judge non-Christians.

            From 1 Corinthians 5, ESV
            9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church[b] whom you are to judge? 13 God judges[c] those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

            From 2 Corinthians 6

            Do Not Be Unequally Yoked
            (Exodus 29:45-46)
            14Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

            “I will live with them
            and walk among them,
            and I will be their God,
            and they will be My people.”b
            17“Therefore come out from among them
            and be separate, says the Lord.
            Touch no unclean thing,
            and I will receive you.”c

            “I will be a Father to you,
            and you will be My sons and daughters,
            says the Lord Almighty.”

            How can a saint force a sinner to love and respect God the Father enough to make him observe God’s value system?

            Love and respect are a freewill offering a Christian makes to God. Nobody forces love, obedience, and respect on to us.

            Christians don’t have any right to expect that the world will do what is right when they don’t even love and respect God enough to obey Him.

            So they’ll all answer to Him at the Judgment for this personal moral, emotional and relationship failure.

            How can I force an unbeliever to behave like an obedient believer when so many believers refuse to be obedient and acknowledge Jesus with their lives?

            But I can get in a lot of hot water disobeying governmental authority especially if I attract the notice of an immoral governing authority.

            Look what the immoral governments of the world did to Jesus Christ.

            Too bad so few people take a close enough look at the scriptures.

            I would have thought I had to fight same sex marriage too until I read 1 Cor. 5.

            A Christian’s main job is evangelizing and being a good witness with his own life. If Christians had evangelized and cared more about their personal witness then maybe we wouldn’t have to get into so many moral and civil rights controversies.

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          Quote from Bob’s Cross Examined blog:

          Discussion on Cross Examined 431 comments
          Is Life Absurd Without God? A Reply to WLC’s Influential Article (2 of 3).
          Bob Seidensticker
          Bob Seidensticker Kodie 6 hours ago
          Sounds like you’ve got it figured out.
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          Bob Seidensticker

          Bob Seidensticker Kodie 6 hours ago
          Sounds like you’ve got it figured out.

          No, Bob. Kodie hasn’t gotten anything figured out about God. She used to verbally firebomb me with threatening profanity when I visited your blog as SJ like she was demon possessed and probably has a personality disorder.

          Kodie is a lot like Madalyn Murray O’Hair in the way she expresses herself and screams at Christians.

          Look at the comparison. (Well the devil got Madalyn for all her loyalty in the end.)

          Madayln’s life as told by her only surviving son William J. Murray

          The Madalyn Murray O’Hair Murder

          I hope you let Christ set you free of the works of the devil, Bob. He’s not good to his followers.

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          Good thing you banned me from your blog. Good for me. Bad for you.

          I did not need the bad company influences or reading verbal abuse from that monstrous Kodie and others.

          She needed the correction but never got it because she was too busy acting like the devil and seemed to have lost all reasoning capability.

          Just because you understand worldly matters does not mean you understand spiritual ones.

          You don’t because Satan sends you strong delusion and spiritual matters then seem foolish to you just like the New Testament says.

          Why do so many atheists come over to Christian blogs to harangue Christians then cry gibberish when Christians attempt to explain to them?

          Because they are under strong delusion from Satan. That’s why.

          Then atheists are socially rejected because people don’t like being around Satanic delusion.

          So let God give you the right education Bob. Accept faith in Him so you can exit the Satanic delusion and become a fully enlightened person.

          Why limit yourself to the carnal realm when you could learn what really counts from God.

          But you will need to get faith first and cut all evil tentacles in your life.

          If you refuse to do that then there is no point to arguing.

          Christians don’t really want to be argued into social backwardness under the devil’s influence.

          So if you refuse to reason your way into faith you should just stick to dens of iniquity. They will make a den of iniquity in your own mind and ultimately destroy you but at least you won’t be affecting the more innocent minded people.

          I hope you reconsider everything. Accept God’s most perfect and holy divine love for you and get saved without an argument. Let the Robesons teach you Satan’s tactics so you can stay free, Bob, and God bless!

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          Satan’s Deception:

          scroll down to the Genesis 3:15 section

          Here’s your post removed by a person claiming to be an atheist who likes to discouage the disemmination of info so Satan can control people.

          Maybe he’s a Satanist impersonating an atheist humanist.

          The world is betrayed by Satan.
          Genesis 3:1-5


    • Susan Jane Elohim

      A person may have to meet a certain standard. Does an ordinary school pass someone without them displaying the right motivation and putting in some study and mastering the core course material?

      If not then why would God?

      The Bible says God saves each in His own order.

      How many people do you know or consult that are running for God’s first resurrection?

      Pastor Wellman obviously is. He’s a man of God with a true lamblike temperament given to him by God but how many others are?

  • pud

    How many exactly “find it” janitor jack? How do you know this? Give us a number or a percentage since you seem to have such insight into this. Why does your “gawd” not open the door a little wider by showing himself instead of relying on lunatic preachers peddling Bronze Age mythology that one has to “believe” on “faith”? Oh, sorry for the intelligent questions, I know how much you dislike both intelligence and critical questions of your cult dogma.

    • Susan Jane Elohim

      Deconstructing Religion: Is Faith Delusion?

      Unlike you. Sims is an actual psychiatrist like Christian psychiatrist Dr.Phil.

      Andrew Sims (psychiatrist)

      Andrew Sims of St James’s Hospital, Leeds, was president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists from 1990 to 1993.[1]


      ^ Roll of Honour, March 2015, College Officers. Royal College of Psychiatrists, March 2015. Retrieved 30 November 2015.


      Is faith a delusion? Although, not infrequently, the content of delusions is religious, faith, of itself, is not a delusion. This is true even for minority and socially disapproved beliefs. For some cults, abnormal psychological processes may be frequent but these are not delusions for the following reasons:

  • Susan Jane Elohim

    Why is the way so narrow? Because so few people really love, respect, trust and obey God in a sufficient measure to let Him make them doers of His Word.

    The more you do the more you know.

    But every person in the world who didn’t know God or refused to know Him has to come dispute with the people who know Him best.

    That’s why the righteous will be persecuted.

    But the persecuted will all overcome one day by abiding in Jesus and allowing the Holy Spirit to train them up God’s Way.

    Any other way but the Holy Spirit’s training is the world’s way and is not God’s way.

    God could break your disobedient will any time He wants to. He broke Saul of Tarsus’ will but he prefers to lead obedient people who listen to Him without Him having to get their attention like that.

    But Paul was raised by a bunch of Pharisees too steeped in and proud of their traditions to really listen to God.
    He was obedient but almost completely mistaught by the Pharisees. In fact, the Pharisees were being compromised in their loyalty to God by the Edomites who had merged with Judaism in contradiction to God’s orders about a hundred years before Christ’s birth. King Herod was an Edomite. The Edomites were the hereditary enemy of the Jews so how did he get to be king over them? Did the devil raise him up in time to attack the Messiah. It looks like he did.

    God’s way is the narrow way and always leads to Jesus. It is a straight path for the holy but sin and the world and the flesh and the devil like to make people take detours from the straight path.

    So if you have to take a detour and can’t simply obey like Jesus always did then have the good sense to ask for discernment so you can start telling good apart from evil and that right early.

    It’s hard to get out of evil if you cannot recognize it early and separate yourself from it. But you can always pray to God in Jesus name and ask Him to make a way for you.

    Imagine that you got caught by the world steeped in sin and then the world sends you to prison for it.

    People reap what they sow. Evil people reap all sorts of problems including disease, the death penalty, addictions, prison.

    Appeal to God and let Him create a whole new nature in you and He will give you the get out of jail card which is Jesus who is God’s grace for free. Hopefully, before you had to learn the hard lesson (s) this cold, cruel, worthless world likes to dole out.

    Give God the glory for escaping all that!

    Give God The Glory

  • Brien

    The Bible is a compendium of fire side tales and fables,

    recounted orally for generations by goat herders and primitive tribes from the stone age, until writing was invented,

    and then again, many different sources, transliterations, and versions were copied and written down.

    ”The Bible was created during a time where stories were orally passed down over thousands of years.
    Stories constantly morphed and changed over time, and the Bible is a collection of these.
    This is why it has the nearly identical flood story from Gilgamesh, and why Jesus has the same characteristics as Dionysus, Osiris, Horus, Mithra, and Krishna.
    The contradictions and immorality in the stories are not evidence that God is flawed or evil,
    but rather that humans invented him, just like the thousands of other gods that we used to but no longer believe in.”

    …and to answer the questions of the many fears and mysteries of our universe, like ‘thunder’ and earthquakes, since there was no science yet.

    This is the old Testament.

    The ‘new’ Testes is also hearsay since these letters, ‘gospels’ and stories were written by the loyal faithful, the camp followers,
    not by objective historians at that particular time,
    or by any contemporary writers,
    and these tales were written many years after the supposed events of this mythical Jesus.

    Thus, there is no verifiable evidence of a Jesus in real documented history.

    Then, many of these stories, but not all, as many were not chosen,
    [ There are more than just four Gospels but only these four were agreed on ],
    were compiled for one self-absorbed converted Roman Emperor in his Nicean Council,
    for his expressed purpose of conquest and
    control of the people of Europe for his Holy Roman Empire.
    He recognised that this was the perfect religion/mythology for the future domination of the populaces.

    Half of the stories were ignored by the Nicean Bishops and none have been proven to be based on fact.

    This ‘Bable’ book is backed up by absolutely no facts and no evidence.
    It is not proof for any god(s) ….(or of any jesus…)

    It is a historical novel…..


  • Christiane Smith

    narrow gate: bending down to get through it denotes a certain ‘humility’ and that is certainly the opposite of denominational hubris and pride and ‘the pointing of the finger’ and institutional Phariseeism that is SO GLAD it is ‘not like that other sinner’

    ‘humility’ is a much mis-understood state of being; it is necessary to become humble in order to be given grace; and too many have ‘assumed’ that they are ‘saved’ and it’s ‘the others’ who are supposed ‘lost’ when sometimes the Good Lord gives His blessing to the one who is able to pray ‘Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner’

    my bet is that it’s the folks who are at peace with God and with each other who will find the way to go home to the Source of their peace;
    all that ‘stridency’ and judgementalism isn’t going to do it for folks, no Way