8 Things I Think I Know about the Oklahoma Beheading

8 Things I Think I Know about the Oklahoma Beheading September 29, 2014

Imam Enchassi

Imam Imad Enchassi

I think our local newspeople here in Oklahoma have done a fine job of presenting the news about the recent atrocity in our state. They have reported in a straightforward and factual manner. I actually put trust in what they are telling me to be the facts as they know them.

But the national cable news is so rotten with wing-nuttery from both sides of the spectrum that they couldn’t tell the straight facts if the straight facts would serve them best. The gossipy conflab from MSNBC that is shown in the video below reminds me of a bunch of college sophomores, swilling down cheap wine, smoking a toke and trying to outdo one another with their brilliant bits of sarcasm.

When you watch this, bear in mind that these people, who have enough news media gravitas to get on national news, are talking about the grisly murder of an innocent woman.

Did you watch?

In the words of my gay friends, Isn’t that just special?

Unlike the folks in this video, I’m not an absolute total and complete expert on Oklahoma. I’ve lived here all my life, and I have been a community leader in a statewide forum for much of that time, but I am a long way from being able to go on a national forum and give the rest of the world The Word about Oklahoma.

Here’s what I do think I know. I’ll just line it up one, two, three and let you decide how much weight you want to give it.

1. Islam has a problem, and its a big, bad violent problem. Violence against innocent people in the name of Islam is happening all over the world. It is so widespread and so intractable that it denies credence to the notion that it is caused by the societies in which it is happening. It appears, at least at first glance, to be something in Islam itself that is causing this.

2. This is not ubiquitous within Islam. I think the people who commit these dastardly acts (many of which are committed against other Muslims) are a minority of Muslims.

3. However, the peaceable majority does not appear to be able to control the violent ones in their midst. If anything, I get the sense that they are more afraid of them than anyone else.

4. I think this problem stems from the bad leadership of some Islamic religious leaders. I think it gains traction because of the factionalism within Islam.

5. Whatever the reason, this situation is real, and taking some pie-in-the-sky wing-nut position that anyone who talks about what is happening is a Muslim hater not only doesn’t help, it becomes a form of enabling to those who murder. From Jeffrey Dahmer, to ISIS, to Alton Nolen, murderers of innocent people do not need and should not have apologists flapping their yaps on the nightly news.

6. Oklahoma City was subjected to a black mass on September 21. Those who know about these things warned about the effect this might have on the community. Does this have anything to do with this beheading and the subsequent threat of beheading by Muslims in our community? I don’t know.

7. Whether the black mass contributed to this situation or not doesn’t matter in terms of what we do about it. What we do about it is put these two men before the law and let the law work.

8. What we do about the larger question of Islamic violence against innocent people is another question. I think the first thing we need to do is ask the Muslim community if they are willing and ready to stand against the preaching of violence in their places of worship, if they are willing to turn their backs on religious leaders who preach death and destruction.

I was touched by Imam Enchassi’s statement to the press. I hope with all my heart that it came from his heart and was totally genuine. I personally know a Muslim man who went door to door in his neighborhood after 9/11, introducing himself to his neighbors and assuring them that he stood with them, not the terrorists.

I think it must be hard to be trapped in a situation where violence is the public face of your faith.

I believe we should stand with those who are willing to take the chance to step out and speak against murder and violence. I think they are probably placing themselves in harm’s way by doing so.

At the same time, I am not given to denying the plain facts when I see them. The plain facts are that this is happening all over the world.

The situation is real. All the insulting on-air wing-nuttery conflab in the world can not change that.

We shouldn’t allow ourselves to be bullied by ideologues like those on that MSNBC panel. Neither should we give in to the primitive urge to cast all Muslims as murderers.

Above all, we should never, no matter what mask he assumes, fight satan with satan’s weapons. Jesus told us that Satan cannot cast out satan. We need to believe Him and act accordingly. We must use the gifts of the Holy Spirit:  grace, love and peace, to drive this evil down. Every person who walks this planet is His child. That includes Muslims.

We need to get real about this, and that begins by talking honestly about what is happening, without the politically correct censorship.

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22 responses to “8 Things I Think I Know about the Oklahoma Beheading”

  1. I look at the comparisons made between islam and Christianity concerning the outlying segments of each religion. As the author said, the vast majority of muslims do not speak or act against the radicalized. The most visible wack job Christian group out there right now, that I can think of, is the inbred folks from Westboro “Baptist” Church. I can’t think of a single mainstream Christian that has not subjugated the Westboro folks to the trash can of life.

  2. We should not project our expectations of religious leadership onto Islam. One thing to remember is that Islam is structured on a mosque by mosque basis with no higher authority standing above them. This is part of the reason why Islam does not need a Reformation, but instead needs to become more like Roman Catholicism.

    For those who are interested there’s more here:
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/cosmostheinlost/2014/01/03/islam-need-reformation/

  3. Well said, Rebecca. Our witness to Muslims needs to be clear as Catholics. Islam has an intrinsic problem from its foundation of violence and forced, violent conversions.
    Btw, you just gave MSNBC a larger audience than they’ve ever had!

  4. A Muslim friend of mine made an interesting comment along these lines a few years ago. He suggested that Catholics and Jews got it right, requiring their people go through extensive training before they could lead a congregation. On the other hand, he noted, all it takes to lead a mosque or protestant congregation is a burning desire, which often is not based on deep spiritual knowledge or understanding.

  5. “We must use the gifts of the Holy Spirit: grace, love and peace, to drive this evil down.” That’s a similar rhethoric Adam Cherniakov, Polish-Jew and chief of the Warsaw Ghetto Judenrat, was saying to his flock…. until he swallowed a cyanide pill the day after the commencement of Grossaktion Warsaw – the mass extermination of Jews. Cherniakov remembered Germans from WWI, and he remembered them as honorable gentlemen, worthy of trust. His suicide was the effect of realizing he was romanticizing his oppressors. I’m Catholic, and I applaud those who fight evil with good, but the problem is, that first, there must be some good in the evil, for me to be able to win. I feel, like we are now being rounded up and transported to our inner ghettos, where we feel completely hopeless, and where we are being fed the same “peaceful” doctrine the Nazis used to control the crowds 60 years ago. Who managed to survive the Ghettos? – a few, young, brave people who dared to say, ” No, not I!”, who being as much religious as their elders, realized you don’t deal with the devil, you fight him with all your might and desperation like a new baby who wants to be born. LIFE is a force – if you let your guard down, if you let someone to blindside And as satan cannot cast our satan, Islam cannot go against Quaran – never! We can only pray as Our Lady of Fatima asked us to do, and hope Her Immaculate Heart will triumph during our lifetimes. In the meantime I would continue to love my neighbor, but stay extra vigilant. “We must use the gifts of the Holy Spirit: grace, love and peace, to drive this evil down.” That’s a similar rhethoric Adam Cherniakov, Polish-Jew and chief of the Warsaw Ghetto Judenrat, was saying to his flock…. until he swallowed a cyanide pill the day after the commencement of Grossaktion Warsaw – the mass extermination of Jews. Cherniakov remembered Germans from WWI, and he remembered them as honorable gentlemen, worthy of trust. His suicide was the effect of realizing he was romanticizing his oppressors. I’m Catholic, and I applaud those who fight evil with good, but the problem is, that first, there must be some good in the evil, for me to be able to win. I feel, like we are now being rounded up and transported to our inner ghettos, where we feel completely hopeless, and where we are being fed the same “peaceful” doctrine the Nazis used to control the crowds 60 years ago. Who managed to survive the Ghettos? – a few, young, brave people who dared to say, ” No, not I!”, who being as much religious as their elders, realized you don’t deal with the devil, you fight him with all your might and desperation like a new baby who wants to be born. LIFE is an awesome force – if you let your guard down, if you let someone to blindside you, if you let someone to take it away from you – you lose. Simple like that. And as satan cannot cast our satan, Islam cannot go against its Quaran – never! We can only pray as Our Lady of Fatima asked us to do, and hope Her Immaculate Heart will triumph during our lifetimes. In the meantime I will continue to love my neighbor, but stay extra vigilant for the sake of this one Life God graciously gave me.

  6. “We must use the gifts of the Holy Spirit: grace, love and peace, to drive this evil down.” That’s a similar rhethoric Adam Cherniakov, Polish-Jew and chief of the Warsaw Ghetto Judenrat, was saying to his flock…. until he swallowed a cyanide pill the day after the commencement of Grossaktion Warsaw – the mass extermination of Jews. Cherniakov remembered Germans from WWI, and he remembered them as honorable gentlemen, worthy of trust. His suicide was the effect of realizing he was romanticizing his oppressors. I’m Catholic, and I applaud those who fight evil with good, but the problem is, that first, there must be some good in the evil, for me to be able to win. I feel, like we are now being rounded up and transported to our inner ghettos, where we feel completely hopeless, and where we are being fed the same “peaceful” doctrine the Nazis used to control the crowds 60 years ago. Who managed to survive the Ghettos? – a few, young, brave people who dared to say, ” No, not I!”, who being as much religious as their elders, realized you don’t deal with the devil, you fight him with all your might and desperation like a new baby who wants to be born. LIFE is a force – if you let your guard down, if you let someone to blindside And as satan cannot cast our satan, Islam cannot go against Quaran – never! We can only pray as Our Lady of Fatima asked us to do, and hope Her Immaculate Heart will triumph during our lifetimes. In the meantime I would continue to love my neighbor, but stay extra vigilant. “We must use the gifts of the Holy Spirit: grace, love and peace, to drive this evil down.” That’s a similar rhethoric Adam Cherniakov, Polish-Jew and chief of the Warsaw Ghetto Judenrat, was saying to his flock…. until he swallowed a cyanide pill the day after the commencement of Grossaktion Warsaw – the mass extermination of Jews. Cherniakov remembered Germans from WWI, and he remembered them as honorable gentlemen, worthy of trust. His suicide was the effect of realizing he was romanticizing his oppressors. I’m Catholic, and I applaud those who fight evil with good, but the problem is, that first, there must be some good in the evil, for me to be able to win. I feel, like we are now being rounded up and transported to our inner ghettos, where we feel completely hopeless, and where we are being fed the same “peaceful” doctrine the Nazis used to control the crowds 60 years ago. Who managed to survive the Ghettos? – a few, young, brave people who dared to say, ” No, not I!”, who being as much religious as their elders, realized you don’t deal with the devil, you fight him with all your might and desperation like a new baby who wants to be born. LIFE is an awesome force – if you let your guard down, if you let someone to blindside you, if you let someone to take it away from you – you lose. Simple like that. And as satan cannot cast our satan, Islam cannot go against its Quaran – never! We can only pray as Our Lady of Fatima asked us to do, and hope Her Immaculate Heart will triumph during our lifetimes. In the meantime I will continue to love my neighbor, but stay extra vigilant for the sake of this one Life God graciously gave me.

  7. “We must use the gifts of the Holy Spirit: grace, love and peace, to drive this evil down.” That’s a similar rhethoric Adam Cherniakov, Polish-Jew and chief of the Warsaw Ghetto Judenrat, was saying to his flock…. until he swallowed a cyanide pill the day after the commencement of Grossaktion Warsaw – the mass extermination of Jews. Cherniakov remembered Germans from WWI, and he remembered them as honorable gentlemen, worthy of trust. His suicide was the effect of realizing he was romanticizing his oppressors. I’m Catholic, and I applaud those who fight evil with good, but the problem is, that first, there must be some good in the evil, for me to be able to win. I feel, like we are now being rounded up and transported to our inner ghettos, where we feel completely hopeless, and where we are being fed the same “peaceful” doctrine the Nazis used to control the crowds 60 years ago. Who managed to survive the Ghettos? – a few, young, brave people who dared to say, ” No, not I!”, who being as much religious as their elders, realized you don’t deal with the devil, you fight him with all your might and desperation like a new baby who wants to be born. LIFE is an awesome force – if you let your guard down, if you let someone to blindside you, if you let someone to take it away from you – you lose. Simple like that. And as satan cannot cast our satan, Islam cannot go against its Quaran – never! We can only pray as Our Lady of Fatima asked us to do, and hope Her Immaculate Heart will triumph during our lifetimes. In the meantime I will continue to love my neighbor, but stay extra vigilant for the sake of this one Life God graciously gave me.

  8. In Iraq, several Muslims were martyred while defending Christians from ISIS. May we know their names, and extol them?

  9. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this horrible murder as you try to make sense of it and how it is connected with Islam. Re your point 8. After every tragedy and violence done by one or more Muslims we see other Muslims decry it and say pretty much the same thing as the local Imam Enchassi. But what is never seen or heard is a point by point scriptural refutation of the violence that is at the core of Islam, in its teachings and history. This is not the same thing as saying that all Muslims are murders or that Imam Enchassi is not sincere.

    But there is, I think, some confusion in your point 8 because it refers to two unrelated things. 1. Islam and what it teaches about violence and 2. What particular Muslim people and communities feel about violence done by Muslims in the name of Islam. If we cannot answer point 1, then point 2 is of no significance no matter how many Muslim leaders or communities say they condemn jihad. For if Islam cannot be separated from violence then it will always beckon the faithful.

  10. Reading what former Muslims, now Christian, have to say about Islam is sobering. Don’t take my word for it; find the info online….

  11. I know there is no human connection, but I wonder if there was not some sort of spiritual connection between this crime and the black mass that had taken place not far from the scene only four days earlier.

  12. “more like Roman Catholicism.” In what way, pray tell?
    Just below this thread is “Also on Public Catholic”:

    (quote)Pope Deep-Sixes Two Bishops over Child Sex Abuse
    8 comments
    5 days ago
    jenny — How many mothers complained to the priests that something is wrong with the child, …(end quote)

    Besides this ongoing problem, there are nominal Catholics in several countries murdering their fellows over nationalistic concerns… like the events in two World Wars…
    Can’t we on the outside just flip a coin?

  13. 7. Whether the black mass contributed to this situation or not doesn’t matter in terms of what we do about it. What we do about it is put these two men before the law and let the law work

    Yeah lock em up it’s all their fault. Next thing you know the crops will go bad and earthquakes and stuff. Can’t have blasphemers running around on the loose.

  14. did your editor miss the missing word “of” in # 3?…….should read “of them”?
    better editor please.

  15. “Does this have anything to do with this beheading …? I don’t know.”
    Black masses are forbidden in islam, hence you assume here that this extremist muslim supernaturally was influenced by satanists. Medieval superstition on a Patheos blog.

  16. I’ve been getting a spate of incomprehensible comments, all of them from regulars on the atheist portal, trying to say something similar to this one, i.e., that I want to put people in jail for “believing in a fantasy” or whatnot.

    I’m not sure what you guys are smoking over there, but one of these men murdered an innocent woman by beheading her and very nearly murdered another woman. The second man directly threatened to murder one of his employees by beheading her because — he said — she was a Christian and beheading Christians is “just what Muslims do.” He was also a supervisor in a nursing home. You know, where they care for helpless elderly people.

    I’ve deleted the other comments like this as they were both stupid and repetitive. That must be some campfire you folks are sitting around.

  17. I didn’t know those were the two men she was talking about. Yep not paying attention (and leaping to bad conclusions.) Apologies.

  18. … and I’m sorry I jumped at you so hard Jillian. I lumped you in with about 10 other comments I got saying all manner of stupidity. Apologies.