5 Things People Think Make Them Hardcore (And why they actually make them Christian)

Here’s the bad news: We’re desperate for symbolism and imagery to give some depth of dignity to our daily lives, but our culture offers us very little outside of the gaudy logos of fast food restaurants and insurance companies. Here’s the good news: As a direct result of being symbolically starved, we make hilarious mistakes in our use of symbols. Without further ado then, 5 Things People Think Make Them Hardcore, and why they actually make them Christian.

1. The Pentagram

There comes a time in the budding Satanist’s life when he considers getting a tattoo in order to affirm and resolve his passionate fight against the mindless Christian sheep. It’s only natural that he will consider getting a pentagram, as he has been told by the Internet that the 5-pointed star is a symbol of the devil. Case in point:

The problem being that the Internet is the breeding ground of all sorts of stupid, and if our dear Satanist went for a design of this sort, he will have permanently marked himself with the sign of Christ.

For the Jews, the pentagram symbolized Truth. For Medieval Christians, the pentagram symbolized the five wounds Christ received during his Crucifixion. In fact, in an irony too delightful to fully appreciate, the medieval Christians believed that the pentagram, because of its Christological nature, had the power to ward off demons. This lends a new meaning to the above picture, and I am lead to appreciate that the artist is unwittingly punishing his Satan, by having his head hopelessly stuck in a medieval representation of his own defeat. At least, unlike some, he can redraw it:

Awww maaan, encompassed by my destruction.

My advice to growing Satanists: Try turning it upside down, to form what I can only imagine you’re trying to form, the Sigil of Baphomet.

2. The Rosary:

It’s not a necklace, it’s a Catholic prayer. Nuff said.

3. The Anonymous Mask

The taking on of the ‘Guy Fawkes mask’ as the symbol for anarchy, and hence the symbol for the hacker group Anonymous, is silliness of the highest degree. In the first place, a portion of every penny spent on buying the mask goes to Warner Bros., who have licensing rights to the image, and who represent everything anti-corporation movements stand against.

But there’s an issue with the mask that goes way beyond selling out to the man: While Fawkes did try to blow up the English Parliament in the infamous Gunpowder Plot of 1605, he didn’t do it because he wanted to inspire 13 year olds stealing their neighbor’s wi-fi with the values of anarchy. He made this attempt for the purpose of reestablishing a Roman Catholic monarchy in England. He wasn’t an anarchist, he was a Catholic who didn’t understand basic moral principles.

Thus, when I see Anonymous doing their thing, my immediate reaction is “wow, what radical, slightly frightening commitment to the Roman Pontiff, to his infallibility as sucessor of the Apostle Peter, and what complete confidence in the ability of the Roman Catholic Church to guide the politics of the world.” Then I correct myself.

4. The Upside-down Cross.

This is, of course, is my very favorite.

Christians everywhere shudder at the very thought of folks taking the time to dye their hair, apply their makeup, and go out for an upside-down cross photo shoot.

Nothing says rebellion against the constraints and moral laws of religion than its very symbol turned on its head. Right? Wrong. The symbol has already been claimed, by a man far scarier than those palm-muting in the bowels of Norway. I speak, of course, of the first Pope of the Holy Catholic Church, St. Peter himself.

St. Peter believed himself to be unworthy to die the same death as his Lord Jesus Christ, and at the time of his martyrdom he requested that he be crucified upside down. His request was granted, and ever since the upside-down cross has been known as the Cross of St. Peter. It’s not easy being hardcore.

5. Swastika

White supremacists and neo-Nazis try their baddest to tattoo this sign of hatred to every spare piece of skin, and to be fair to them, most people, upon seeing a swastika displayed, get freaked out.

But the reality behind the European meaning of the swastika makes the today’s neo-Nazis look like devout Christians. It’s a form of the cross, and a beautiful one at that. It’s visible in cathedrals and churches across Europe:

Not that I particularly expect those who elevate race over religion to bother with the religious implications of their symbols.

Until next time!

  • musiciangirl591

    hahahahahhahahahahha, awesome! i love this :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/nadja.vanderstroom Nadja Van der Stroom

    Read this aloud to my daughter…she likens you to a young Chesterton…

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.woike Daniel George Ignatius Woike

    I want to defend anarchism. I am a anarchist and a devout Catholic, but not a left-anarchist. I am a libertarian anarchist. Please check out this two videos to understand what I mean, and yes Catholicism and libertarian anarchy are compatible and actually we would probably have a more cultural conservative values in a world like that. The state has actually helped pour fire on sin. I wish cultural conservatives would look into this. I actually have a podcast I am working on which is called “The Catholic Anarchists”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoQ6vQf3X6Q

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0_Jd_MzGCw

    • Fisherman

      I didn’t watch the video’s but this sounds interesting. Are you anarching (is that a word) against the ‘Murcian government? All the more power to ya.

      • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.woike Daniel George Ignatius Woike

        I don’t know what you mean by the “Murcian government”?

        • http://wasteyourtime.mtgames.org/ Scaevola

          ‘Murican=American in a thick Texan accent.

    • CygnusX191

      You might want to look up the Church’s teachings on obeying your local government for the sake of keeping peace in the land and providing that to the citizens for which they cannot provide themselves (national disaster relief, highways, infrastructure etc) before you go on touting about overthrowing governments and not having societal order.

      • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.woike Daniel George Ignatius Woike

        Everything that the Catholic Church says about the state is predicated on whether or not it is legimate or not. The Church right now says it is, but it is not a matter of faith or morals that the Church can decree on. The Church does not dictate what kind of government a group of people need to have. If a group of people want to leave in stateless society and all of those things you just said the state is needed to provide is provided and provided better than the state does, then I am pretty sure the Church would be okay with it. If you watched the second video, he lays out how order would be in a stateless society.

        The Catholic Church does not understand the modern nation state. J.R.R. tolkien was a philosophical anarchist, and even G.K. Chesterton did not like the modern nation state. O yeah, also Dorothy day too. Plus alot of the modern popular known libertarian anarchists are Catholic. Jeff Tucker writes for the Chant Cafe.com.

        I would love to have a nice discussion with ya and to Fisherman, I am pretty sure you were being sarcastic to me with the “Murcian” government line. I don’t appreciate it. There is a large mass of academic thought that has been discussed about a voluntary society, and to make it seem like we are a bunch of neo-confederates or something is not very nice. If this is not what you were implying, then I am sorry.

    • TheodoreSeeber

      You might also want to look up Rerum Novarum, Caritas In Veritate, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraphs 1897-1927 inclusive. Your philosophy is about as far from CATHOLICISM as you can get.

  • The Catholic Science Geek

    “Awww maaan, encompassed by my destruction.” LOL!
    I kind of want to greet the St. Peter’s cross-wearing heavy metal goth rocker with a “HEY! You’re Catholic too! Awesome!”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IXLZRHDFEO4GJTIE6VJJXJKX2U Mary Liz

    Yeah, a lot of misunderstanding about pentagrams and upside down crosses are perpetuated in Hollywood with people who think they know what these symbols mean without having actually done the research. Great job! Although I am not going to be wearing swastikas around that’s poor taste now. Nazis ruined it. Like the homosexual movement is doing to the word gay which used to mean “Happy” and rainbows. I am straight and I love rainbows, what has gay pride written all over it these days? God gave us rainbows as a reminder of his covenant that he would never again destroy mankind by flood. So people have a tendency to take these symbols and to warp them into other things. People do it all the time. Good to share this.

    • Ross Thompson

      By the standards of this articles, that would mean that gay pride marches are actually displays of fealty to Christian dogma. And anyone wearing a cross is actually declaring the might of the Roman Empire, because they used the cross before Jesus did.

    • Simon Delott

      The gay rights movement kind of uses the symbols that they have. If they used other symbols, I have no doubt that there would be people like you who would object to the use of those symbols.

      And you believe that your God created everything — so, “God gave us X” is not really an argument against using something.

  • Obliged_Cornball

    It’s worth noting that the Norwegian black metal scene is less known for “palm muting” (a technique more often employed in thrash and death metal) and more for tremolo-picked, trebly, dissonant chords … and terrible production.

    Great article otherwise!

  • GoodCatholicGirl

    Makes me absolutely crazy when I see people wearing the Rosary as a necklace or using any other of our religious symbols as a fashion statement. How dare they?! I cannot stomach anyone making fun of the Catholic or any other religion. It’s a matter of respect.

    • MaerkM

      Do you
      A) Do what Muslims do when their religious stuff is mocked. Throw acid in their face, stone them and leave them for dead. Then burn their house down and start a riot to kill all Christians regardless of their involvement.
      Or
      B) do what a dignified and respectful person would do and read the top comment about the guy who hands out rosary prayer guides and offers to show people how top ray the rosary.
      Or
      C) do what I do. Ignore it.

      Hint: I recommend “b”

      • GoodCatholicGirl

        Yes, “B” is the more reasonable approach (I usually just shake my head). Ok, so who’s going to explain this to Madonna?!

        • rmarie5V5

          how about ignore it and keep your religious beliefs to yourself?

      • Alexandra

        Those hooligan Muslims. So unlike the gentle and dignified Christians. No Christian has EVER committed an act of violence over feeling like someone has committed blasphemy.

        Do I even need to provide a source? I mean, your statement is just so asinine, and I don’t feel like anyone doubts that there have been Christians who did equally evil things.

        I hope you don’t expect anyone to have any respect for your faith when you can make such a nasty blanket statement like that.

        • TheodoreSeeber

          Uh, #3 above?

      • rmarie5V5

        C. a whole-hearted C

    • opinionated1945

      I gently confronted a gas station attendent whom I saw wearing a Rosary around his neck. He told me his father was a police officer who had been killed in the line of duty and the Rosary was directly connected to this. I felt pretty dumb. Maybe wearing a Rosary is not all bad…?

      • GoodCatholicGirl

        Perhaps not, taken in its proper context. Then again, I suppose that could be true of many things.

    • MarylandBill

      I think it depends on the statement being made; after all, some religious habits include a rosary of some sort… and wearing a religious habit might be the most important fashion statement that anyone can make.

      That being said, I understand your take and agree. When one without faith, or worse, in mockery of faith it is an insult to faithful Catholics and to Our Lady.

    • TheodoreSeeber

      In my generation, the Rosary has, for some reason, replaced the St. Christopher’s Medal. They’re pretty common hanging from rear view mirrors in cars. And I find there is little better response to a traffic jam that you know isn’t going to move in the next five minutes- than to take your rosary off your rear view mirror and say a decade.

    • rmarie5V5

      how dare they? easy. when one does not hold the same beliefs in fairy tales, one does not hold the same reverence for said fairy tales’ significance.

  • Dolce

    Awesome! I get SO annoyed when I see people wearing rosaries as fashion statements. It’s just so tempting to smack them upside the head! lol

  • Nicole Resweber

    The swastika is way older than European Christianity…ever been to India?

    ETA: Oh, good article though!

    • Howard

      The swastika is such a simple design that it has been invented independently any number of times. The same can be said of the circle and the Greek cross. It would be something of a jump to see a circle in Native American rock art and exclaim, “Wow! This is a symbol the Egyptians used, too! It proves contact and cultural exchange!”

    • kenneth

      The swastika is one of the oldest and most widespread symbols ever used by humanity. It’s use has been documented by hundreds of different cultures and religions on every inhabited continent across many thousands of years. Christianity’s use of the symbol is a recent, incidental and short-lived phenomenon and in no way stands out among the countless other appropriations of the symbol.

      It is a Christian symbol merely by the fact that it is a “form of the Cross”? By that standard, any line drawing which features right angle intersections is Christian. The cross, in its most basic form not only predates Christianity. It predates our own species to the first hominids who had the thumbs and forebrain enough to scratch symbols on cave walls. If contemporary use of a swastika is sufficient to make someone a Christian or wannabe Christian, then anyone with a crescent moon tattoo or artwork must be Muslim.

      I will agree that people who wear rosaries look a perfect fool and are making a cheesy misappropriation. The case for ironic misappropriation with inverted crosses is technically correct as well, although it rests on a fairly obscure historical fact and ignores the long-recognized intention of inverting/reversing symbols.

  • http://twitter.com/ben_m_c90 Ben C

    “The symbol has already been claimed, by a man far scarier than those palm-muting in the bowels of Norway.”

    This might be my favorite line you’ve ever written.

    • TheBrownGirl

      That line had me howling with laughter and deep respect for the writer of this blog. THAT was a hardcore statement.

  • faith in our families

    When I see people wearing rosaries as fashion statements, I walk up to them and show them the one I’m wearing and say ‘you know that thing comes fully loaded right? You want me to show you how to use it? ‘ I always make sure I have a rosy prayer leaflet to give to them when I leave.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690597577 Kirsten Houseknecht

      lol.. thats great!

      • Gerard Neumann

        wish i had your courage

        • Joseph Aragon

          the same thing i’m planning to do to my students who wear it in school for fashion. Confiscate it to be claimed after dismissal by praying it or i call their parents.

  • Araman

    The Swastika is also an ancient Vedic symbol that associated itself with Hinduism. You’ll also see it in reference to Haman. It’s a broken cross.

    So, it may be used in Christian artwork, but the symbol also has a long, dark history of association with the satanic and/or pagan.

    • Vision_From_Afar

      “dark history of association with the satanic and/or pagan”

      Oh this, I gotta hear. Please, enlighten me.

  • Vision_From_Afar

    So usage and current connotation mean nothing so long as, at some point in history, Christianity used it (even if they didn’t use it first)? What a rosy outlook. Of course, Nazi history must take on entirely new meaning with your pro-Christian connotation. And those silly neo-pagans, they’re just all Christians in disguise? Historical ignorance is all fun and great for a game of “gotcha”, but ignoring what things mean in modern society is it’s own level of ignorant privilage.

    • Toddzilla

      You don’t get it, huh? Too bad :( This blog is not encouraging the use of these symbols in current culture, it simply remarks on the irony that those who use them most likely do not know that they are historically rooted in Christian belief. It is blog post, not the kid’s graduate essay on the history of symbolism in modern culture. Chill out and appreciate the comic tone.

      • VorJack

        Out of curiosity, what makes a symbol “rooted in Christian belief”? If the swastika predated Christianity, and the pentacle was the Seal of Solomon before it was the 5 wounds, what makes these symbols Christian?

        • Kenneth

          What makes these symbols Christian? Revisionism, essentially. The Pentagram predates Christianity, as well as Satanism, by at least 3,000 years.

          • MarylandBill

            Well in the case of the Pentagram and the upside down cross, what makes them Christian is their explicit use by groups who are opposed to Christianity. The irony is that in attempting to either subvert a Christian symbol (The cross) or invent a symbol in opposition to Christianity, they have in fact adopted symbols that were used by Christians as positive symbols.

            What amuses me is that so many people who hate Christianity seem to think that Christians are not aware that symbols identical to or similar to Christian symbols predate Christianity. Yes, the Ankh looks like a cross, the pentagram goes back to ancient Mesopotamia, but the belief systems that used those symbols are extinct. Christianity has used some of these symbols for 1000+ years.

          • kenneth

            You’re quite correct in one aspect. People who define their belief system primarily through opposition to another are acknowledging a belief in the one they’re opposing, in this case Christianity. The late pagan author Isaac Bonewits argued against the inclusion of Satanism in the neo-pagan umbrella for that reason. Many Satanists, he said, are really just Christian fundamentalists in drag!

            I would argue that the ironic aspect of Satanism aping Christianity comes from their own mental linkage of the two, not because the pentagram has some sort of inherent and durable Christian meaning.

          • Alexandra

            YES!

      • Vision_From_Afar

        I’m afraid you’re the one who’s missed the point.
        His title began the spin before the symbols were even addressed: “5 Things People Think Make Them Hardcore (And why they actually make them Christian)“. He’s not pointing out poor Hollywood research for a lark, or simply having a laugh at ignorance. He’s saying, “No, you’re not only ignorant about the symbol, you’re ignorant about your very ideology. Isn’t it nice we’re all really Christians?”
        Without the parenthetical addendum to the title, I may not have had the same reaction to this article, but it’s there, and I did. He blatantly ignores the other (benign and real) religious uses of some of these symbols (1 & 5 especially) and argues their misuse solely from a place of Christian privilege. If he’s going to do that on a multi-religious blog site, he’s going to get called out on it.
        I won’t chill out, because he’s not laughing with me, he’s laughing at me.

        • musiciangirl591

          wow, you seem to know it all, email him and tell him that his article (which was to mention items used in everyday culture as “badass” or “rebellious” are really Christian/Catholic in nature) that its point was wrong and you two can compare notes, take a chill pill and if you need a chill pill, i can give you some (epilepsy pills)

          • Vision_From_Afar

            So your recommendation is to e-mail him the critique I started this thread with, then accept the drugs you’re pushing? No thanks.

          • musiciangirl591

            just saying, you sound like you know more about this subject than he does and i’m not pushing anything, i’m just saying you need to relax a bit

    • Proteios1

      Neo pagans aren’t Christians in disguise, neopagans are just silly.

  • Karyn

    You should submit this to cracked.com

    • Vision_From_Afar
      • musiciangirl591

        she’s prob not on cracked.com as much as you are… don’t need to get your panties in a bunch

        • Vision_From_Afar

          Two seconds with googleing “cracked.com inverted cross” came up with it. Sorry that I consider that time enough to check something. Are you having fun stalking me in the comments yet?

          • musiciangirl591

            ok sorry! and i’m not stalking you…. i’m finding comments to respond to, like you do

  • QDefenestration

    Yeah you’re confusing the pentagram with the pentacle. Though technically they both mean “five pointed star in a circle,” they’ve typically been, in practice, used to reference opposite symbols. The image that you describe, that we know is judeo-christian, the one printed on Gawain’s shield, is typically referred to as the pentacle. “Pentagram” usually does indeed reference the sigil of Baphomet.

    • QDefenestration

      (Oh, and as Gawain demonstrates, the pentacle not only represented the five wounds of Christ, but also the 5 joys of Mary)

  • kenneth

    Both Christians and Satanists are equally conceited to the extent they lay claim to the Pentagram as “their” symbol or claim that the symbol has a primary origin with them. The Pentagram has been documented going back to Sumerian times 3,000 years B.C. It has been adopted and adapted by countless cultures since then, each attributing its own associations and meanings.

    For the Pythagoreans, it offered some unique geometries and a kind of mathematical perfection involving the Golden Ratio etc. For other cultures as far as China, it became a symbol of elemental forces, or the astronomy of various planets. It was never a primary or even second-tier symbol of Christianity. The five wounds of Christ association dates from the 14th Century poem “Sir Gawaine and the Green Knight.” This association was reinforced by later occultists who proposed the use of the Pentagram as a ward against demons in “white magic.” The idea that inverting a Pentagram made it Satan’s personal symbol did not arise until the 19th Century with Eliphas Levi, and it didn’t even begin to take off as a symbol of rebellion against Christianity until Anton LaVey got going with his schtick in the 60s. Mainstream media and metal bands of course had a ball with the new shock power of the symbol.

    Most of us who use the Pentagram as a religious symbol these days are neopagans. To us, it has nothing to do with either Christianity or rebellion against it. We are not Satanists, as our cosmology has nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian God or any of his angels, fallen or otherwise. Most of us do not consider Satanists to be pagan, and most professed Satanists don’t worship Satan or any other entity but are in fact radical humanists and Randian individualists.

    • Vision_From_Afar

      :slow clap:

      • musiciangirl591

        wow… troll, just saying :P

        • Vision_From_Afar

          Hardly. I thought the statement deserved more than a measly “+1″.

          • musiciangirl591

            oh well….

        • Rain

          Do you actually know what an internet troll is? Twould seem not.

    • Mark

      The point was that it is pointless to use the pentagram as a symbol against Christianity, since Christianity embraced it. A simple point, which you would not have missed had you not been falling all over yourself to show off your perceived knowledge of Satanism and Paganism.

      • Proteios1

        Well said.

      • VorJack

        Well, are they using it “against Christianity,” or are they using it for their own purposes? As kenneth points out, the symbol has its own history and meaning within different cultures.

      • kenneth

        Christianity never embraced the pentagram in any substantial or official way and certainly not to any extent that it created any sort of “cultural trademark” going forward.

        “Christianity” never adopted the pentagram. A handful of writers came up with Christian interpretations and correspondences for a symbol which is highly versatile by its nature. Most of these Christian writers who embraced the pentagram did so in the context of the occult, which was certainly not doctrinal orthodox Christianity in any sense of the word. One can even find pentagrams in the decorative stonework of medieval churches, along with gargoyles and a million other pre-Christian symbols and themes. None of them stand for Christianity. I’ve never seen a pentagram on or above a church altar or the cover of a Bible!

        No movement or religious/ethnic group can realistically declare ownership of any symbol for all time simply by having used it and “calling dibs” on it. I think if they use one primary symbol long enough and heavily enough, especially if that symbol is fairly distinct, they can create a very strong association with it in the public conscience. I think the Rosary, and the Ichthys and the Cross – in the usual style of the Crucifix, fall into that category whereas the pentagram surely does not. For all that, even primary symbols with strong associations are not immune to adaptation for other reasons, even contrary ones.

        • Gerard Neumann

          Kenneth kept his mouth shut and everyone thought he was a dolt. He opened it and removed all doubt.

        • agkcrbs

          Some of your pentagram opinions are agreeable (certainly not the one claiming it was never even a “second-tier” symbol of Christianity, or the implicature that churches adorned with pentagrams are somehow NOT demonstrative of the sign’s adoption), but, sorry, it actually was adopted by Christianity and some of its permutations — upwards, as various symbols of Christ, and notably downards as the star of Bethlehem. http://www.munroe-falls-paranormal-society.com/blog/?p=269

      • Simon Delott

        You know that most modern Satanists do not believe in the Christian devil, so anything that they would use as their symbol is, again, not really an attack on Christianity.

    • sickgrl

      Thank you. You said it all for us my friend

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1235520207 Melissa DeGenova

      THANK YOU!!!

    • BasedWang

      i dont understand why people think this is trolling.

  • Ebony

    Symbols and pictures have always been a way of communicating since most people in the ancient worild couldn’t read or write languages as we know them today. Christians for a good period of time had to hide least they be persecuted. The medievel times were a messy period for everyone since humanity became lost for a while in why people became Christians in the first place.

    I have no problem with a person wearing the cross as a necklace if they’re not a Christian the cross’s meaning belongs to no one but Christ, not a particular idea or group of Christians can lay claim to it “belonging” to them exclusively. Its a reminder. A person wearing it could one day look at it and hear God, He knows that persons heart.

    No wonder God asked us not to get caught up in symbols and statues of this and that. One thing to study them out of interest,(I have an interest to how it affects history, its just the way people see things. I am also a Christian.) Another to rely on them to produce Faith or think Christians need them for God to hear our prayers. Interesting write up and information. Thank you.

  • James H, London

    As I pointed out the last time Marc wrote about the Fawkes mask, Guy Fawkes didn’t even speak for the Catholics of England at the time. He warned the Catholic peers in the House of Lords not to go to Parliament that day because, y’know, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, kaboom…

    And the Catholic lords promptly went to King James I and ratted. It’s one of the great ironies of history, that negotiation and due process and rule of law were more important to the Catholics of 400 years ago than to their opponents. It reflects badly on those in power at the time, which is probably why children in the UK to this day are never told how the Gunpowder Plot was discovered.

    As to the swastika: until the 1930s it was a symbol of good luck, and still is in India. In fact, the name Aryan refers to the Persian-speaking peoples who invaded India and subjugated the other races there, thousands of years ago. The name survives in the modern name of the country the Persians came from – Iran. The idea of Aryan (or Indo-European) superiority is part and parcel of Hinduism, and upper-caste Hindus to this day have more in common genetically with Europeans than they do with lower-caste Indians. So you could say Hitler got his ideas from the one religion that opposes Christianity most fundamentally. Go figure.

  • Cath

    A tour guide at the catacombs in Rome once explained to me that when the legs of the swastika point left, it symbolizes life, but if they are pointed right, it symbolizes death. The Nazis’ swastikas pointed right…

    • Vision_From_Afar

      And a guy wearing an earring in his left ear means he’s gay, but in his right is fine.
      Sorry, but that kind of minutiae doesn’t really hold water. True, there are different versions where the tines point either right or left (one of the left-pointing ones was used by a Native American tribe, I believe), but arguing that the direction of the symbol itself dictates it’s use is misleading.
      It works in a historical revisionist sense, though, since no one committed mass killings using a backwards Nazi swastika…

    • TheodoreSeeber

      Left? Right? How about “Clockwise” and “CounterClockwise” since by definition, the top and bottom of a swastika together point both left and right.

  • Anon

    This article is really silly except the first one. Symbols take on new meanings over time and clinging to a meaning years outdated is sad. Case in point yes the swastica used to be a religious symbol in the hindu and buddist religions(not christianity) it recently took on a new meaning and is no longer what it was….

    • Tom

      By the same token, it is equally silly to completely forget or forego historical meanings in favor of modern ones. If I told you “The cross has ALWAYS been a symbol of Christ’s suffering, since forever”, I would sound just as silly as a metalhead who said “The upside-down cross has ALWAYS been an anti-Christian symbol, since forever”. Sure, use your modern meanings, but realize that at one time they may have meant the exact opposite, and that I may perceive your use of that symbol in the historical perspective.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690597577 Kirsten Houseknecht

    in medieval sermons we have on record, the Priests and Bishops say that it is acceptable to wear a Rosary around the neck, just “not so the cross hangs over your behind” (yes i am SERIOUS, that’s from a medieval bishops sermon on wearing the Rosary)
    there is also a famous quote “let me but place the Rosary around the neck of a sinner, and he shall not escape me” by ST. Dominic.

    it is not sinful to wear the Rosary, and many wore them so they could have their hands free for work.. but indeed they are often worn irreverently, for sinful reasons, and for vanity (which has been preached against , a lot) but even if worn “irreverently” may lead to grace….

    my response to seeing someone wearing a Rosary has always been to ask them if they need another one (i make them) and if they want a Rosary booklet…

    • TheodoreSeeber

      Seems to me that with the “cross over the behind” the rosary would become a choking hazard.

  • Josh_U

    Interesting article, but I think a couple of points need to be highlighted:
    1. The orientation of symbols is vital, but I am curious to the origin of the images provided. Were they provided by Satanist, since the Church of Satan does use the Sigil of Baphomet, which was demonized by the Church during the Inquisitions. Regardless, I am sure the pentagram is commonly misused, by individuals unable to make the distinction.

    2. No disagreements here.

    3. Guy Fawkes Mask, although the intention of Fawkes may differ greatly with the goals and aims of Anonymous, the irony is its use is no less ironic, than a plot to blow up parliament by a man who “was a Catholic who didn’t understand basic moral principles.” In the end Fawkes, will be remembered more for his radical attempt of defiance against the governing powers than his intentions for Religious restoration.

    4. The inverted cross, commonly used in the the Death Metal and anti-Christian sects makes one key distinction, it is an inverted crucifix. Placing Jesus on a inverted cross does hold a significantly differently meaning than the association of the inverted cross with Saint Peter. The symbol may appear the same, but the intent and understood implications is different groups differs significantly.

    5. The Neo-Nazis do use the swastika at 45 degree rotation in contrast to to the examples you have shown on Churches. Additionally, in contrast to pentagram, Fawkes Mask, and inverted cross, which are all used as anti-religious symbols the swastika is far from that. It is used a symbol of a unfounded racial class system, by the faithful and faithless, and making “neo-Nazis look like devout Christians” can be complimentary belief structure of the group members.

  • Anon

    Deleting comments fucking bigot

  • Jason

    *ROARING LAUGHTER* Sir, you are such a needed voice in the Catholic world, you have no idea. Brilliant!

  • Alexandra

    Apparently if a Christian ever touched it, it’s Christian. Even though some of these pre-date Christianity and symbols change meaning ALL. THE. TIME.

  • Richelieu88

    Remind me of the Pentagramm on the Marktkirche in Hannover/Germany:
    http://www2.kirche-hannover.de/news/berichte/1220011278.html

  • OverlappingMagisteria

    Here’s another one:

    The Ichthys, or “Jesus Fish” may have originated as a symbol for various pagan fertility goddesses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys#Pre-Christian_origins

    Though it is interesting to learn the origins of symbols, their meanings certainly do change with time.

  • Simon Delott

    A couple of problems with this:

    The swastika symbol is better known in Hinduism and Buddhism, but exists in other cultures as well. On its most basic level, it is a symbol of the sun.

    Satanists tend to like the inverted pentagram, but a number of contemporary Pagans (especially Wiccans) use pentagrams (or pentacles, which are often pentagrams enclosed within a circle) as symbols of their faith. They’re neither trying to be hard-core nor are they Christians. No one religion has absolute ownership over any symbol.

  • http://sarenth.wordpress.com/ Sarenth

    Plenty of other religions, including Pagan ones, use rosaries as part of their religious systems. I wear one to my Ancestors as a constant reminder and connection.

  • Carolee

    Thank you, I really liked this post!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1235520207 Melissa DeGenova

    Okay, the swastika was a HINDU symbol long before it was used by Christians and the pentagram represented the elements to the ancient Greeks who were PAGANS. These symbols have been appropriated for a million different things over the centuries, but honestly, if you are going to trace their roots, you should try tracing them back a little further.

  • rmarie5V5

    There is one statement that can be considered absolutely correct in its declaration: “… the Internet is the breeding ground [for] all sorts of [stupidity]…” This blog included. Oh, and I had to correct the statement because I find poor grammar to be, well… stupid.

    Let me just point out that these “symbols” actually find their meaning in the person that gives it meaning. The belief comes from the bearer (or user) of the symbol. So, although the symbol of the Swastika is from a religion much older than Catholicism [as pointed out by another post, you got that one wrong too], having found its inception in Hinduism, and to this day continues to be used as a positive symbol in the religion, many find it offensive because of the role it played during WWII and the meaning given to it by the Nazis. This is no different from the beliefs of Catholics and the meanings they give to the idols they worship. At one time, the cross was not a symbol of the Jewish man named Jesus and the sacrifice he supposedly made. Instead, it projected a negative connotation; a device used to torture an individual to his/her death. By your reasoning and narrow-minded definition, worshiping the cross would be much like worshiping the guillotine, had it been used instead of a cross.

    This then leads me to your assumption that individuals involved in the anarchist/anonymous movement are honoring a man who wanted to return Catholicism to the head of England. The core of Guy Fawkes’ actions are what the movement is actually relating to; the idea of having such convictions that a person is willing to go up against a great force. In addition, taking some credit from the graphic novel and film, it became a symbol of protest. Mind you, this was not to align itself with the premise of the film but to align itself with the belief that many could rise up as one (different people, one face) to honor their convictions and fight a tyranny they believe exists. And if you were just a little more aware of the facts than you make yourself out to be, you would have known that the movement is aware of groups they call scenesters (look it up) that attach themselves to the movement but have no true intentions to make progress; they have simply come to “party.” These “scenesters” are also the ones who are very unaware of the causes and the extent of their actions. They are the ones who don’t think before purchasing a trademarked Guy Fawkes mask marketed by the monster corporation, Warner Bros. True movement participants have, for some time now, purchased replica masks made by much smaller businesses or DIY-ers (look that one up too if you are unfamiliar with that acronym) at extremely cheap prices, or have made their own, as many of them are actually quite skillful and artistic in this way.

    I would also suggest that you take the time to learn about the subjects you choose to criticize before criticizing them or making your assumptions. Whether or not you agree with their plight/beliefs/meanings, an intelligent person would know to first educate themselves fully on a subject before debating it.

    Now, for all of you who still believe in a boogie man in the sky and a jolly fat guy who dresses in red, please, don’t surprise me and “Vote Down.”

    • Dan

      Dear friend,

      I think the point of this article is to highlight that images which might make Catholics fearful, or images which anti-Catholics feel might make Catholics fearful, do not have to be. Your right in a sense, we attribute to images and symbols to our own meaning, but as Catholics we can look at these and smile. I hope you also appreciate that this article has been published on the catholic section of a blog site. Which might give a clue as to what kind of audience the blogger is speaking to.

      So it seems that you are right in some ways, but ultimately need to take your own advice. For example, if you think that a catholic believes in “a boogie man in the sky” and worship idols, then you might need to do some more research.

      God bless you, hope we are in communion one day.

      Dan

  • Honey Rose

    First become a good Jew, then you can be anything the Creator deems fit for you.
    Judiaism, the one and only true roots of Jesus. Symboles are man made and can turn
    into whatever may be true or false for the user. Peter, Paul, were all Jewish man of
    G-D. Man turned them upside-down. Hey!!! I was Jewish first, pal.

  • salem witch

    the pentagram is a paigan symbol. satanists are idiots since there trying tobe all anti christian but actualy only christians belieave in satan so there for just by beleaving in satab there accepting christianity

  • Dan

    Is it just me or have the majority of commentators missed the point of this article?

  • Reason

    This is a prime example of the “Pump Out an Uninformed Blog Post Just to Get a Few Quick Clicks and Maybe Make Some Money” effect. Irresponsible journalism at its finest.

  • Vitunidiootit

    ❤ The meanings of symbols change as the time goes on, you fucking morons. ❤

  • Kyle Ford

    Whoever wrote this article isn’t very educated on this subject and is is not actually examining his examples, and is obviously a biased uninformed narrow-minded proud catholic. Example- the 2nd “swastika” pic used is not even a swastika. It’s arms aim counter clockwise, and Apostle Peter was not the first Pope, duh. There was no such thing as a Pope until Apostle Peter was long gone. The Catholic church didn’t even exist until 325 A.D. when Emperor Constantine held a meeting called the “Council of Nicea” made of up all the Pastors of the largest Christian Congregations in Europe to discuss the terms of them submitting to his authority in agreement with a new “safe” religion of Rome called Catholicism that now accepted the Christians it had previously criminalized. He then declared Himself as the first Pope of His newly created Catholic church which was almost a perfect replica of the Babylonian styled Pagan religion enforced by Nimrod and his Witch Mother/Wife. Apostle Peter is speculated to have died around 70 A.D. in or around Jerusalem. This is more than 200 years before the Catholic church was even imagined by men and before Roman Emperor Constantine even existed. And Constantine was himself a Pagan worshiper of Rah. There is no correlation between the 12 apostles and the Catholic church. It’s just a cleverly maintained lie to trick you into becoming catholic so that you will take part in pagan rituals while thinking you are actually serving the One True God. Catholicism was created to make the real christians come out of hiding so that the evil rulers of Rome could murder them. This was Constantine’s intention and that is why the Inquisition quickly followed the creation of the Catholic church, burned the real christians at the stake for wanting to have their own personal relationship with God. So to answer your question, the most hardcore thing a person could do is be a living sacrifice to God, Holy and Blameless, washed by the blood of Jesus. That will make you a target of every Demon in hell. That is the most hardcore thing. putting symbols of Anarchy and cultism on yourself just makes you like every other blind person in this world and makes the demons ignore you because you offer no threat. You’re just like a sheep. So do you want to be a blind sheep, or a roaring Lion? A Lion is hardcore. He tears it up. That is God’s intention for you. Give Him your life and He will turn you into a lion that walks the halls of hell and tears up every demon that doesn’t run fast enough.

    • Kyle Ford

      Also, just because Peter was crucified upside down is no reason that the catholic church should latch onto it and use it’s symbolism in their affairs. The occult uses the upside down cross to disrespect Jesus’ sacrifice and Triumph. They actually sacrifice a live human male upside down every year at their black sabbath meetings around the world. We who know these things should stay away from that symbolism for the welfare of those who escaped the occult. We are supposed to stay centered on Christ, not any of His apostles, of which there are still Apostles in the World today because they are 1 of the 5 gifts that Jesus gave to His church. It is a position of office, just like a Teacher, or Pastor. If you want more proof/info of Roman Catholic church roots and involvement, message me.

  • Someone who knows BS

    WOW! Really? The author of the should really do REAL research before they go mindlessly shooting off their mouth. The ONE thing people make themselves think they are “hardcore”……thinking they know it all. Please do not read this and think you have been informed!

  • Anonymous

    People use what they want for whatever reason they want…period. Nobody ultimately knows anything, even the very existence of a deity. All purpose for anything is void. If a deity is real, his will can’t be defeated regardless of what we say, do, and think. If a deity does not exist, then we are supposedly here by chemical chance, a mere accident, and purpose is as make believe as religion…all is void, even thought and logic.

  • edmond

    hi, i was just browsing “hardcore things” and this showed up (wow it’s posted a year ago). the information in this article is more or less true-ish, however it was mostly taken out of context, viewed as if one symbol can’t carry multiple equally real (or fake) meanings, or as if christianity had originally come up with everything (like that matters anyway). you also implied that if you wear these symbols you look like a christian, which is bollocks of course because they’re all common fashion and subculture items (and there is nothing wrong with that). i was gonna say something good about it but now that i’ve written this i can only say it’s a bit of a shitty article written in this typical subjective information bending style that religious people tend to use to prove their points.


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