Really, Michael Voris?

OMG. Simcha had this on her facebook feed this morning and I watched it out of curiosity, having never paid much attention to the whole Voris phenomenon except idly chuckling at that inane “Lenten cruise” thing. But this.

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This is so embarrassing. No wonder people call us wing-nuts. Um, hey, Michael? Guess what America wasn’t founded on? Catholic principles. Actually, the people who founded America were pretty much running from exactly the kind of “benevolent dictatorship” you’re talking about here so…just no.

You wanna know what really gets me about this whole thing, though? The assumption that only a “faithful” Catholic, whatever that means, can be unselfish. That everyone else in the world is utterly self-absorbed. “Looking in a mirror,” Voris calls it.

Well that’s just a steaming crock of shit. Don’t excuse my French, because I totally mean that word and no other word will do it justice. Two of the most unselfish people I know happened to raise me and they’re not Catholic. But my parents believe in Christ, raised me with an objective sense of right and wrong, loved me enough to let me suffer the consequences of sin, and loved me enough to forgive me. They love me enough to handle the pain of my conversion to a different religion and the rift that is between us now with grace, love, and a true desire to understand. They are truly good people, who are deeply concerned about the common good of our country and absolutely do not vote based on what they can “get out of it”.

Some of the most wonderful, least selfish people I’ve met are professors at UD. They’re not Catholic. One’s a Buddhist. Another’s a mish-mash of Eastern Orthodoxy. And by God, these people are beautiful souls. Brilliant beyond belief, and getting paid pennies because they want to teach, to shape minds and souls, and the students at UD want to be shaped. They could be teaching at Cambridge or Oxford, but they chose UD because they wanted to impart knowledge, not accumulate glory and wealth. That’s pretty damn unselfish. And they shouldn’t vote, because they’re not “faithful Catholics?”

Don’t even get me started on the whole “faithful Catholics (emphasis on the faithful)” thing. I guess in Voris’ imaginary Stepford Monarchy, us women would have to submit to blood tests to prove we’re not on artificial birth control before voting. Or perhaps our bedroom activity should be recorded, to make sure no one slips a condom in there? He’d definitely have to invest in lie-detector tests, just to make sure no one votes and has those nasty “homosexual inclinations” at the same time. And I guess I’m out, since I love the Novus Ordo, wouldn’t know which side of a mantilla faces up, know how to do a wicked keg stand, and am a convert. I’m given to understand that us converts “don’t really count” as faithful Catholics. That we’re muddying up the waters with our Muggle bloodlines. Especially Mark Shea, since he’s a convert and a scummy Commie Lib.

This kind of crap gets my blood boiling. I love Catholicism, but I definitely love it in spite of self-proclaimed “faithful Catholics” like this guy, not because of them. Thanks a lot, Michael Voris. The rest of us are now going to have to spend valuable time apologizing for your holier-than-thou bigotry and trying to convince people that this actually isn’t what Catholics should believe.

Dear people of the internet: this isn’t what Catholics should believe. Now you’ll have to excuse me, because I have to

 

*I eventually posted an apology for this unseemly post, which you may find here. I am leaving the post up because it’s good for me to have a public reminder that I can be a real jerk.

  • mugg

    what’s with the spinning psychedelic background? Is that the Vortex?

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  • John

    A non-Catholic Christian here who happened upon this blog at Patheos. Please be advised that most of us know that the internet attrracts the extremes, and posts and videos at video sharing sites are provocative in order to secure eyeballs. No demagogue will ever convince me that you Catholics of the 21st century seek a monarchy, the destruction of democratic forms and the subjugation of Protestants to meanly tolerated third class citizens. These were the arguments and fear-mongering of the Know Nothings in our mid-nineteenth century America. Sadly some radical right Catholics want to confirm the worst fears of Protestant America then and now. What can one say when reading a jaw-dropping post here that claims “all politicians must follow Rome and only the RCC has the truth (paraphrase)”? Does anyone but a troll write such nonsense particularly when your catechism explicitly says elements of truth exist in other churches? The good news is, that to my observation most members of our respective churches don’t read religion blogs by non-official sources. Thus, most demagogues are preaching to their own echo chamber/selective audience.

    • Ted Seeber

      Elements of Truth exist in Other Religions, true
      Only the Roman Catholic Church has the Fullness of Truth, true.

      These two statements are not as mutually exclusive as you make them out to be. In fact, it is part of the Catholic Development of Doctrine to follow truth wherever we find it. In science, in the Bible, in the Deposit of Faith, in the experiences of missionaries with pagans.

      That is why Roman Catholicism holds the fullness of truth.

      And given what democracy has done creating the Stock Market, a genocide of 55 million human beings, the world’s largest standing army, and a totally arbitrary use of the Death Penalty; I’ve got to say I have no respect left for mere democracy.

  • James Kohn

    A Catholic can disagree on what is a proper government, including a Catholic King. Of course people are sinful and can go wrong. I dont necessarily disagree with Voris, since only a Catholic country that remains faithful to the magestarium can remain. Im reminded of what GK Chesterton said on Democracies and their foolishness. Seems also like Patheos is the new site for anti-Voris rants. So for those of you out their that disagree with them get back under the Patheos benevolent dictatorship of self founded Orthodoxy :-P

    • Maria

      Agreed.

  • jose

    We don’t really need to resort to that guy. The pope is more than enough.

  • Stephen

    In this denunciation of Voris and, I suppose, the entire traditional Catholic mileu, this phrase really struck me:

    “I’m given to understand that us converts “don’t really count” as faithful Catholics. That we’re muddying up the waters with our Muggle bloodlines.”

    This comes in the middle of slamming Voris for “holier than thou bigotry” and thus adds hostility to coverts to the sins of the traditionalists. Really? has anyone heard Voris or anybody else in the traditionalist camp attacking, demeaning, or calling into question the faith of those who converted to the faith. There is a “holier than thou attitude” problem here, but in this case it is not coming from Church Militant TV.

    Who are you quoting? What are you referring to?

    Obviously those of us who find spiritual nourishment in the thousand year legacy of traditional art, music, liturgy and spirituality of the Roman rite bother you and make you feel uncomfortable. As someone in the RCIA program coming to the faith right now, I believe your words and attitude are more than inaccurate. This polemic is as hateful and mean-spirited as what you find appalling.

  • Jasper

    More proof the catholic patheos is lousy. What ignorant rant by a spoiled liberal jerk.

    • Ted

      Whoever wrote this post is uninformed. I watch Michael Voris every day and he never questions the faith of converts. He never says that those of other faiths are unselfish. He specifically says that there are plenty of other faiths that possess some elements of the truth in varying degrees, but all fall short of the full truth which the Catholic Church possesses.

  • Tiribulus (Greg)

    I am an old time Westminster Calvinist who still sees Rome as the most successful tool of Satan in all of history. Bar none. If however I were ever to be converted to Catholicism (har dee har har) Micheal Voris would be the man to do it and I would work by his side to see the church that would burn apostates return.(my words, not his) I respect that Catholic (big C) church. Truly. She had convictions. And the courage of them. Today’s RCC is an irrelevant joke, easily kicked to the side and ignored. (except for the never ending scandals) A really big (but shrinking) waddling, whimpering joke. Voris may be my favorite heretic. I do believe he longs to see the righteousness of God in the earth. It’s a heartbreaking tragedy that he is looking (for now) to a church that has never and will never be a part of bringing that to pass.

    • Friedrich

      Oh, this is hilarious coming from a heretic who belongs to a “church” that lacks proper apostolic succession. Sorry, but fools like you ignore the first 1509 years of the Church. Obviously, Calvin knew more than the Apostles.

      • Friedrich

        I also wonder if you have such hatred for Constantinople. Are they the tool of Satan too? Why single out Rome always?

    • Newp Ort

      You are a bloodthirsty idiot promoting another idiot and idiocy in general.

  • Linda-Teresa Merwood

    What a pity you have never learned to keep your speech clean and your heart free of bitterness; you create your own unhappiness. It is a joy to, as the hymn puts it, “worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness.”

  • http://none R. W. Schoenecker

    I have only recently been introduced to Michael Voris and his works and am a bit amazed at the negative response to some of his broadcasts. After viewing most of them I have come to see him as the kind of “bad cop” in what I see as the “good cop — bad cop” current offerings dealing with Catholic issues. The other side of the duo is Fr. Robert Baron and his “Word on Fire” programs. Michael and Fr. Baron, if taken together, form the best voice for this current “Year of Faith” that exists. If you doubt, then read “The Poem of the Man God” and Wayne Wieble’s books about Medjugorje. They all go together to prove the reality of Jesus Christ and His Church.


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