The mystery of the Holy Trinity explained in four sentences: a look at John 1:1-4

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The idea that God is the ultimate hat-trick—that he is, at once, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—is something that has always confused and challenged … well, anyone with a normal, binary-style brain.

But we have only to look at the opening of the New Testament’s Book of John to learn all that we could want to know about the triune nature of God:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men.

And there it is. That’s … the whole three-portion enchilada, right there.

I believe that what John is expressing there is that God exists in three ever-present simultaneous modes: Absolute and unchanging, exuberantly creative, and within the heart and soul of every person. He uses the word God to refer to the absolute and unchanging aspect of God’s reality, Word to refer to the exuberantly creative aspect of God’s existence (by which, as we shall see, he means Jesus), and light of men to refer to God as the Holy Spirit.

Badda-bing, badda-triune nature of God.

Let’s break down John’s words to look at them more closely:

In the beginning

That’s the Big God, God the Father/Mother/Everything, eternal and unchanging—the same one, if you’ll note, that with the exact same words opens the Bible: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

was the Word

The reason that John echoes Genesis’ In the beginning, God, with his, In the beginning, the Word, is to bring home the idea that the Word, which is Jesus, is God.

Attaching a word to something—naming it—is how you individuate that thing; it’s how you separate it from the giant, all-encompassing absolute that is everything else. That’s why naming something has always been appreciated as a sacred act of consecration: it’s the moment that bestows inviolate, unique identity. The name of what God is when God individuates—when he/she steps from the absolute world to the relative world—is Jesus.

and the Word was God.

That’s to again illuminate the point that God and Jesus are one—just as I remain the same person whether I am asleep or awake.

He was with God in the beginning.

Huh? Huh? Did you catch that, the way John so artfully transformed Word into He? That’s John making sure that we’re all fully tracking the idea that God and Jesus are one.

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Now this is the radical moment in … well, the entire Bible. Because it declares that Jesus is the very means by which all of life is created: it is through him that all things are made. And though that’s not usually how we think of Christ–we usually associate the act of creation with the big absolute God—it’s perfectly right that we do understand Christ as the creative agent and catalyst for life. Because if you’re a Christian, you believe that Jesus is the means by which the very nature of your life is changed, is wholly recreated. It is through Jesus Christ that you are born again.

So yes, of course, you would be born again the same way you were born the first time: through Jesus.

Perfect!

In him was life, and that life was the light of men.

God the absolute became Jesus the differentiated, became the Holy Spirit so differentiated that he/she/it exists in the heart and soul of each and every person.*

And that’s the mystical triune nature of God, explicated in four short sentences.

And people say there’s nothing wondrously miraculous about the Bible.

 

* Many Christians, of course, believe that the Holy Spirit is awakened only in those who first accept Jesus Christ as, as they say, their personal lord and savior. I’m acutely uncomfortable with that assertion, as it so readily feeds into the conviction that only some people understand the truth. That conviction is how wars are begun.

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  • http://wineymomma.wordpress.com wineymomma

    um…wow.

    That was very cool.

    And "the light" is one of those gifts that we are given that we cannot see its full potential until we pass it on!

  • http://skerrib.blogspot.com skerrib

    Nifty.

  • http://www.jesussite.com/blog Ty Wallace

    For those who have a hard time understanding the Doctrine of the Trinity, consider the fact that we ourselves are triune beings if you will.

    We are a soul that lives in a body of flesh and we have a spirit. Our soul can be likened to God, our body of flesh – Jesus and our spirit – the Holy Spirit.

    Not saying we are Gods but rather that if we are triune in that nature, why cannot God be triune as well – three separate and distinct entities that constitute one being?

  • Emily Kay

    I like the way you described us, but how do we give proof to body, soul, and spirit? I have been taught from a child in the trinity, but now being married to a husband who does not believe in the diety of Christ and other religious sects that keep me stumped with their questions, plus teaching a Sunday School class. I want to be able to nail this truth in the minds of children, I also want to be able to be reasonable and ready to give the "why" I believe in my heart that God is the 3 in 1. Thank you for sharing. I am up in the middle of the night and can not sleep thinking.

  • http://www.johnshore.wordpress.com John Shore

    Just say that God, in order to be complete (and completely interactive) must be in three places, at at once: Out in the universe (God the Father), in the world (Jesus), and in the heart (Holy Spirit). No child can’t understand that.

  • vj

    well, just totally brilliant!

  • Diana A.

    Beautiful. I either missed this the other times I read the comments or it didn’t click.

  • http://themasterstable.wordpress.com Clark Bunch

    David wrote in the Pslams “Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, a light unto my path.” Jesus is the light that shines into our world to light the way to God. He is the “way, truth and the life” and says that “no man comes to the Father but by me.”

    BTW John Shore, I can’t believe I’ve never added you to my blogroll. I’ve linked to your site before. I’m going to do that right now.

  • http://www.faiththroughthestorm.homestead.com/outerspaceindex.html Tammy

    LOL I was expecting YOU to sum up the trinity in 4 sentences. 😉 I’m a bit slow. *sheepish grin* And yes, a good beginning. I love the bit about the naming of a thing being that which gives it its identity. (except for the part where it gave me flashbacks from philosophy class. *shudder*) Your post also reminded me of a poem I wrote a while back, so I went and looked it up to share with you. http://faiththroughthestorm.homestead.com/lovesdiscontentedindex.html *shy look*

  • Lynn

    I have never heard the Trinity taught the way you expressed it from those 4 sentences in John 1. Very insightful. Wonderful. Will be looking forward to more.

  • Sara

    My mother who passed away in 2009, had one of the wisest, most spiritual souls I’ve ever known. When going through her papers as I cleaned out her house, I found this beautiful document:

    1. God the Father is God the Author – the originator of all that exists. It was in His mind first that all took shape. The Idea.

    2. God the Son, our Savior Jesus Christ, is God the Artisan – the artist, the Creator of all that exists. He brought into being all that had been originally formulated in His Father’s mind. The Maker, the Spoken Word.

    3. God the Holy Spirit is God the Agent – who presents these facts to both my mind and my spiritual understanding.

  • http://suddenlyatheist.wordpress.com/ morsec0de

    This is a blatant rip off of my Bible Study. Some Christian you are…it says Thou Shalt Not Steal!

    😉

    Just teasing. Have fun. It's an interesting book.

  • http://god-at-the-center.blogspot.com Chris

    "It’s saying that God comes in three modes: Absolute and unchanging (”God”), exuberantly creative (”Word”), and personally and specifically inside of each and every man (”the light of men”)."

    Are you espousing modalism here?

  • http://www.johnshore.wordpress.com John Shore

    Chris: Oh, you know, I actually began this study about a year ago; this here is actually a rewrite and repost of that earlier post. I just went and pulled it forward so I could avoid having to send everybody else back to look at that old one.

    Anything happening with Suddenly Zombie? That still cracks me up.

  • http://imintellegentlydesigned.wordpress.com/ mcoville

    You picked out one of my favorite verses. John 1:1-4 is, to me, an even more foundational verse than John 3:16. Thank you for this study.

    Chris: I would find it hard to believe that John is "espousing modalism" as defined at http://www.theopedia.com/Modalism. I would tend to believe he used the word modes as a way to separate the three ways we experience God. As I understand it, Modalism says "God does not exist as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time"(taken form the theopedia site) but I read Johns post as saying that the Trinity exists in three persons at the same time which is classic trinitarism (as I understand it).

    If any of what I said is incorrect, please let me know, and as a side note I do not pretend to know the writer of this post personally or have any extra knowledge of what he is thinking, I am purely commenting on his words as they appear on this post, man that sounded like a legal disclaimer from a lawyer(my apologies)

  • http://yahooanswers Tim

    In the beginning was the Word, Jesus

    and the Word was with God, 2 persons present

    and the Word was God. 1 person gone

    He was with God in the beginning. 2 persons present again

    a bit like fly away peter fly away paul, come back peter, come back paul

    contradiction in a verse about the trinity.

    How lost in translation are you?

  • Robert

    I don't see the contradiction. Can you expand on what you see as the contradiction? What is your translation? Thanks in advance.

  • http://www.johnshore.wordpress.com John Shore

    I said what translation I'm using, and don't know what "contradiction" you're talking about. Did I miss something?

  • Kancil – Indonesia

    Good explanation

  • http://www.echothefaith.com Joshua C

    WOW!.

    I came by this last night (12/30/09) by accident and How cool! i was praying for a verse on this very topic. I believe that the word of God is easy to understand, and that God desires us to know his wisdom. And here you have used 4 verses to explain a topic that I have been trying to explain to a friend for over a year LOL.

    God bless, I shall surly bookmark your site and read over some of your other postings.

  • katie

    i dont think i agree with this at all. im sorry. ive looked up about the trinity loads, john 1 verse 1, God is referred to as a almighty GOD with a capital G, however in the original scriptures which i have seen for proof, say in the beginning the word was, and the word was with (G)od, and the word was a god, when its referring to jesus as as the word it describes him as a god with a small (g), many gods with a small (g) are mentioned in the bible including false gods, in 1john 5v19 it refers satan as a god with a small g. jesus is a god but he is not the almighty GOD. check the original scriptures for proof please, you can find out for yourself. while on earth jesus wanted all the glory to be given his father not too him because he is not deserving of it because he is not the almighty god. also the reason jesus came to earth was to even out what adam (a perfect man) had messed up. However, if the trinity was real then figurativly speaking god would of sent himself down to the earth as a ransom sacrifice but this would of been a very unfair and unbalanced ransom, it had to be a perfect man which is why he sent jesus. also, when jesus went to pray to God before his death, who would he praying too……. himself!!! i dont think so. the trinity is just a misinterpretation of one little verse, and by this one little mistake it makes the bible sound like it contridicts itself.

  • http://god-at-the-center.blogspot.com Chris Coppenbarger

    @katie: No, it doesn't say a (g)od. It is using the same word, Theos, for God throughout the passage. I'm not sure what Bible you're looking at or even what original language you're looking at. And 1 John 5:19 does not call Satan a little god. I just looked at the Greek and it is the same word throughout for (G)od. You either have to translate it as a (g)od throughout or as (G)od throughout, not one or the other. The latter is the more correct.

  • Joe

    katie sounds like she is using the New World Translation, the Jehovah’s Witness bible, which DOES mistranslate that sentence. unfortunately, this translation was intentional in order to fit the doctrines of C.T. Russell and is very misleading to many people.

  • Moeketsi(south afric

    The word 'Elohim' appears over 6000 times in the bible and it is plural. It is a standardised word that can be broken down in any suitable form that will corrielate the person or thing concerned. Genesis 1 says in the beginning Elohim created… EL IS SINGULAR, FOR THE ALMIGHTY GOD ALONE, BUT ELOHIM IS AN INCLUSION OF THE WORD AND THE HOLYSPIRIT, WHOM ALL THREE CREATED EVERYTHING AS WE KNOW IT. THEREFORE Jesus is God, Yahweh(ALMIGHTY GOD) IS God, Holyspirit is God. In one word Elohim

  • Sarah

    I stumbled upon this. Very interesting. I will share with my husband tonight. As far as Katie goes, Moeketsi you are 100% correct. She is a JW using the New World Translation. I know because I used to be a JW and have read that scripture and debated it many times. I am no longer a JW. I am a born again Christian obviously and am leaning towards the trinity instead of the "one-ness" concept I was taught when becoming a Christian. Unfortunatly all they have is an old translation called the sahidic coptic used a little after Jesus had died to proove their little g theory and putting the letter A in front of GOD. I wonder how many languages there were at the same time this translation was created and how many trasnslated it different from theirs. So why then out of probably a million translations is this the one you choose?

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  • God Lover

    This topic bothers me.

    If you read the Original Greek scriptures before it was misinterpreted and erroneously recopied several times by various bibles it states that the word was a God..not "the word was God". The left out a.

    Furthermore, if you read the rest of John Jesus says he does not accpet praise from men and the there is only one God (John 5: 41-44)

    Jesus states that he cannot do anything by himself for the father loes the Son and shows him all he does. Jesus states that he does not seek to please himself but he seeks to please God. (John 5:30)

    How can God sit at the right hand of himself. Why would he pray to himself in the Garden? How can he show hiimself how to do things he already knows?

    True Jesus was with God in the beginning and everything was created through him. (Let Us make man in OUR own image) Jesus was the first born of God (onlybegotten) before he was born by the Virgin Mary. And through Jesus everything was made. God worked through Jesus but God is Supreme.

    Check out the ORIGINAL Hebrew and Greek Scriptures here before it was altered. Also Note that God's name Jehova/ Yaweh was replaced in the bible later on among other changes such as these stated above (The Devil is a liar and wants to confuse us) There is Only ONE God and it is repeated frequently throughout scripture.

  • Hilasmos

    The Greek never said that Jesus was ‘a God/god’.

  • God Lover

    Oops this is where you can find the original Greek and Hebrew scriptures translated word for word

    http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Gr

  • Levi Brinkerhoff

    Do you understand greek grammar? Even secular people, who are unbiased in their interpretations, will say that it is grammatically impossible for it to read, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."

  • http://none Don Rappe

    Wow! An ongoing discussion of the Trinity by people who take it seriously! I'm impressed. Naturally, I'm going to express my opinions now. I once read that this doctrine was developed by the early Christians because they found a need to explain how they could worship the God of Israel and pray to Jesus. That sounds probable to me, at least it's possible. Praying to the Risen One must have been pretty natural for a pagan convert. My understanding is that Christians have come to worship three separate and distinct Divine Figures all of which reveal (to them) the same One God. Since I have no scholarly gift, I'm not sure of which would be the correct reason for burning me at the stake for this belief. As far as the Arian heresy, which Jehovah;s Witnesses have revived, which believes that Jesus was The God's highest angel, I regard the difference as being none of my business. More Heat than Light, I think.

    I too love the "hymn to the Logos" as recorded in the 1'st chapter of the 4'th Gospel. I believe this is a little older than the trinity teaching and is probably an important source. I like John's (S.) consistent explanation, but share Dr. Faust's problem with the translation of Logos. I go with "Meaning" with a capital M and Identify Rabbi Jesus Josephson of Nazareth with the Meaning of creation in my personal understanding of the divine figure The Lord Jesus Christ.

  • DonRappe

    Amazing what a computer can do with a simple apostrophe!

  • iluvGod

    Hi,

    This post is awesome!!! What else needs to be said? I am a student and doing apologetics and one of our topics this week was the trinity. Your post was a great place for me to come so that I can better present my point of view in my speeches that I will have to present. Thank you for the time and effort that you have put into this post so as to assist others in their faith. The Trinity has always been a puzzle to me (and still is), but who said we really have to understand everything there is to know about God? Anyway this article helped me to better understand this concept called "the Trinity".

    Thank you again, and God bless everyone who visits this site.

  • danfromMO

    I understand the Trinity this way – think of water. Water is water but can be represented and changed into three different forms. Water can be in a liquid state as we most often encounter it. If heated very high, water can become a gaseous or vapor state. If made really cold, water becomes a frozen solid state- yet these are all a form of water. I see God the same way. God in heaven, creator and ruler of everything. God in Jesus as a human who walked among us to relate to us in this perfect way. And God in the Spirit to dwell within our heart and thoughts and help guide us along a more perfect path. So, I see God in these different states yet all representing the same thing – our one true God in three forms.

  • iluvGod

    I have heard of many analogies for the trinity, some include: an apple, water, 3-in-1 shampoo, 1x1x1=1, a clover leaf, a triangle, and the list goes on. They help, but they only go so far. Thank you though.

  • Don Gollahon

    I think this is a good example as well, all 3 states of water at the same time:

    The Triple Point

    At 0 °C and 6 mbar pressure water can exist in a closed container as a solid, liquid and gas at the same time. This is called the triple point pressure of water. In other words at this low pressure, which is the average pressure on the surface of Mars, water can boil and freeze at the same time. Mountaineers know that the boiling point of water decreases with altitude, that is the boiling temperature decreases as the atmospheric pressure decreases. Decrease the atmospheric pressure enough and the water will boil at 0°C. Below the triple point pressure, water can only exist as a solid and a gas, not as a liquid for any length of time.

    http://www.exo.net/~pauld/workshops/weather/solidliquidgas.html

    Hard to imagine water like this. Sort of like the trinity.

  • http://mindathink.blogspot.com Minda Shultz

    I've heard a dozen different people speak on those four verses and each one is a little different and yet carries the full glory of God. Thanks for adding to that list!

  • Carl

    Do the first four verses really explain the trinity? Not by a long shot. The trinity doctrine, which is said to be Bible based, says, in part:

    1. “We worship one God in trinity and trinity in unity.” Do any of the first four verses of John’s gospel say that three persons should be worshipped as a single unit or “God”? No.

    Did Jesus teach that God should be worshipped as a trinity of persons? No. At John 4:23, he said: “But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.” So, only the Father should be worshipped, not a tri-person deity. There is no scripture in the Bible that says that the Son and the holy spirit should be worshipped along with the Father as a single God.

    2. The trinity doctrine says: “The Father is God, the Son is God, and the holy spirit is God.” Do any of the first four verses of John’s Gospel say that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the holy spirit is God? No.

    Did Jesus teach that the Father, Son, and the holy spirit are all God? No. At John 17:3, he prayed to his Father, calling him the “only true God.” Paul added: “But we know that there is only one God, the Father, who created everything.” (1 Cor. 8:6) So, only the Father is God, not a trinity of persons.

    3. The trinity doctrine says: “In this Trinity, none is greater or less than Another. The whole Three Persons are Co-equal.” Do any of the first four verses of John’s Gospel say or imply that “in this Trinity, none is greater or less than another”? No.

    Did Jesus ever say that among himself, the Father, and the holy spirit that “none is greater”? No. At John 14:28, he said: “The Father is greater than I am.” Since the Father is greater than his Son, then the two can’t be co-equal.

    4. The trinity doctrine says: “He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.” Do any of the first four verses of John’s Gospel say or even imply that salvation rests on believing that God is triune? No.

    Did Jesus ever say that believing in the trinity is required for salvation? No.

    5. The trinity doctrine says: “It is necessary to everlasting Salvation that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Do any of the first four verses of John’s Gospel say or even imply that salvation is based on believing that in the incarnation of Jesus Christ? No.

    Did Jesus ever say that salvation is based on believing in his incarnation? No.

    It is more than evident that your readers believe what you say about the trinity because they don’t have all of the facts. God is not a trinity; he is a single person–the Father. (John 17:3; 1 Cor. 8:6)

    Those who believe in the trinity are in danger of having themselves classified with the religiious leaders of Jesus’ day. Of them, Jesus said: “Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.” (Matt. 15:9)

  • Martin

    1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

  • Tim

    Jesus said blaspheming Himself was forgivable, but blaspheming the Spirit was not forgivable in this age, or in the age to come (Matt. 12:32)

    If the Holy Spirit was not equal with God, why would Jesus give such a warning. Sorry Carl. Those ideas are from the Word of God, not the words of man.

  • Carl

    You’re confused, Tim. According to the trinity doctrine, the holy spirit is not equal to God. Instead, it is one of three co-equal persons that makes UP God along with the Father and Son.” The trinity is a Catholic concept of God that has been accepted by many non-catholic religions.

    FYI, no one is equal to God. As God himself said by way of a rhetorical question: “To whom will you people liken me or make me equal or compare me that we may resemble each other?” (Isa. 46:5) Nowhere in Scripture does it say that the holy spirit is co-equal with God, triune or otherwise. And consider this: If the holy spirit were co-equal to the Son, then blaspheming the holy spirit woud be just as serious as blaspheming the Son. But that is not the case, is it? No matter how you look at it, the Bible does not support the trinity.

  • justathought

    Maybe your light isn’t as bright as it should be?

  • Matthew Tweedell

    That’s not the “Trinity doctrine”. You’re quoting the Athanasian Creed, which was not backed by any of ecumenical councils and is a pseudo-epigraphic composition originally peculiar to the Latin rite. In regards to many people’s understanding of the Trinity (especially those such as Mr. Shore who aren’t likely to believe something just because somebody said that it’s the right interpretation), I believe you’re arguing against a straw man.

  • Carl

    There are two things I noticed about your replies to my last post:

    1. You had absolutely nothing to say about how the trinity doctrine blatently contradicts the teachings of Jesus that are found in the Bible.

    2. You failed to show how John 1:1-4 explains the trinity. “Trinity” means “a unity of three.” Where does it say at John 1:1-4 that God consists of three co-equal, co-eternal, co-almighty persons? Answer: It doesn’t. It merely says at John 1:1 (in some, but not all Bibles) that “the Word was God.” Nowhere in that verse does it say, “the Word AND the Father AND the holy spirit were God.” So, if God is a trinity and that “the Word was God,” where, then, is “the unity of THREE” persons that make up a single deity? Answer: Nowhere. Could you possibly be thinking of Jesus as being the Father, Son, and holy spirit, which would be modalism, another unscriptural concept of God?

    If John 1:1-4 DID explain the trinity, why would it be necessary for you to bring up 1 John 5:7 when you have not shown how John 1:1-4 explains the existence of a deity that consists of three co-equal, co-eternal, co-almighty persons? Could it be that you know that you really didn’t have a case with John 1:1-4 explaining what you initially claimed? I already showed you how the trinity doctrine directly contradicts the Bible, yet, you had nothing to say about that. Can you see now how your argument in favor of the trinity being Biblical is incorrect?

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    I’m sure you are aware that your renderring of 1 John 5:7 does not exist in most modern Bibles. It is a spurious addition to what the verse actually says. And even if your renderring of the verse were correct, where does it say that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are three co-equal, co-eternal, co-almighty persons that make up a single deity? Answer: It doesn’t. It merely says that the three are “one.” In Scripture, “one” often means “agreement.” At Gen. 2:24, it says that a man and his wife are “one flesh.” That doesn’t mean that the two make up the same human being. It means they are in agreement. At 1 Cor. 3:6, 8, Paul says: “I planted, Apollos watered . . . He that plants and he that waters are one.” Did Paul mean that he and Apollos were one in the same person? No. He meant they were unified in purpose. That is exactly what Jesus had in mind when he said in prayer to his Father, “I and the Father are one” and that he wished that his disciples would be one “just as we are one.”(John 10:30; 17:22) Nowhere in Scripture did Jesus say or even imply that he and his Father made up two persons of a three-person God. So, 1 John 5:7 cannot help you to prove that God is a trinity.

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    Huh? If God were a trinity, wouldn’t that make the holy spirit just one of three persons of God? Are you telling me that the holy spirit–a “person” of one–is equal to God–a deity of three persons? Doesn’t Isa. 46:5 say by way of a rhetorical question that no one is equal to God?

    Matt. 12:31, 32 says: “Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” If the holy spirit were one of three co-equal persons of God, this text would flatly contradict the Trinity doctrine, because it would mean that in some way the holy spirit was greater than the Son, since it carried a stiffer penalty for blasphemy. However, as Jesus said, a person could blaspheme him and still be forgiven. But blasphemy against the holy spirit was unforgivable. What Jesus said shows that the Father, to whom the “spirit” belonged, is greater than Jesus, the Son of man. So, Matt. 12:32 can’t help you either to prove that God is “a unity of three” persons.

    I suggest that you closely examine the trinity doctrine for yourself so that you can see it for the lie that it is. God is not a trinity. Jesus’ Father–a single person–is the “only true God.” (John 17:3)

  • justathought

    Maybe your light isn’t as bright as it should be.

  • RayC

    This is hardly a convincing reply to the persuasive argument Carl is putting forth; in fact, it’s bordering on being an ad hominem attack.

  • Marcelo

    I agree, Ray. I still haven’t read any substantive refutation of Carl’s arguments. For what it’s worth (coming from me, not much, lol), I agree with much of what Carl has written, although I do believe that Carl’s strident tone was uneccessary and perhaps off-putting to those who are convinced Trinitarians. Me, I’m more of a non-Trinitarian Christian, which puts me as very un-Christian in the eyes of most orthodoxy, so I am more receptive to Carl’s arguments.

    However, please, if any convinced Trinitarians would like to debate Carl’s points, I’m all ears (or what passes for them in cyberspace).

    Thanks.

  • Duke

    you doorknob, the blasphemy of the HS is dealing with those who turn the spirit away as He draws them to Christ. That blasphemy is really the refusal to accept Christ as Saviour which will lead a person to an eterinity in hell

  • taxedagain

    For those of you who are saying the trinity is not true…….maybe your light isn’t as bright as it needs to be.

  • Marcelo

    Hmmm….Possibly. Or maybe yours is too bright to see anything else in the room with you? Just a thought.

    Not convinced? Not surprising. Perhaps suggesting we’re dim-bulbs might be less a persuasive argument than trying to refute non-Trinitarian arguments.

  • Marcelo

    Here’s a related question for anyone who could help me. (I’m not being coy or cute, here, I’d like to hear all of your considered thoughts.)

    What is it of Jesus’ message, life, mission, and example that is undermined if Jesus in fact was something less than actually God? Is there anything that is irrevocably made meaningless by Jesus not being God, that is, co-equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit in the Holy Trinity?

  • Ember

    Not in my theology, Marcelo. I much prefer the idea that Jesus shows us our full, attainable potential, in God’s love, than he was somehow “extra” special Apollo-like being. If he’s perfect by birth, how does he even have temptation, much less struggle to deny it?

    But I’m sure there are other convincing arguments to be made, in favor of such a necessity.

  • Adam

    Easiest way to explain it is by thinking of water. Ice is solid, steam is gas and water is liquid. 3 forms of the same thing, same as God.

  • K.E.

    I’ve also heard it compared to the sun. There is the actual, physical sun, the star in the sky (God). Then there is the sunlight, which comes from the sun, by which you can see everything else (Jesus). And then there is the warmth of the sun’s rays, which you can feel but cannot see (Holy Spirit).

  • Ember

    I haven’t heard that, either. I think there’s a fun worship activity in that, somewhere. Thanks!

  • Paul

    Gosh more rubbish – and the water thing is good doctrine – Give me a break!

  • Hilasmos

    Adam,
    There are dangers in this as it suggests modalism.

  • Elizabeth Potter Graham via Facebook

    I wish you had been with me Thursday when I talked to a man with a five foot high photograph of a fetus. Wow, that was a loss for scientific method.

  • Lisa Crawford via Facebook

    I really appreciated this article as I have an ongoing internal struggle trying to figure out if I’m a trinitarian or not. If I have read this correctly, the trinity you present does not include that wascaly wabbit– the Holy Spirit, a concept I, at 42 years old, still cannot wrap my puny little brain around. I can accept your explanation of the trinity. I want to be clear– I’m not anti-Holy Spirit. It’s just a concept I cannot seem to grasp. Maybe by viewing it as indenendent of the trinity, I can start to get some sort of grasp of it :)

  • Hilasmos

    Lisa,
    Have you come to a decision about the Trinity?

  • Dianne Mc

    Absolutely beautiful and simple. Sometimes I think preachers/teachers make it complicated so we stay confused and dependent on them to take us to the next level of understanding. You never do such nonsense. Thank you!

  • Curt Naeve

    Beautiful John as always.

  • erika

    OK, but can i still play here even though i go to a UNITARIAN church?

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

    Ha! Good one!

    But no.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

    (Joke. That was a joke.)

  • erika

    i knew it was. doi.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

    Yeah, YOU knew it was (as I knew you would, of course).

    But. Well. You know.

  • AC Smith via Facebook

    I didn’t realize this was an old post. Just commenting away to ppl from years ago! 😉

  • Diana Avery via Facebook

    @ AC: That’s okay. I do that all the time!

  • Josh

    God has no religion.

  • Hilasmos

    Josh,
    What has this to do with this discussion?

  • Robert Laird

    Did God (Jesus) die on the cross? If so, if God can die, then is He really God? I have always believed that God cannot die or be tempted as Jesus was tempted by Satan? Does God have a beginning ( can He be born or die?).

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

    Two different questions; yes; is that a question?; no; no.

  • Shayna

    Robert, the Bible shows us that Jesus has two natures, man and God. John 1:14 explains this by stating the Word (which was God, John 1:1) became flesh and dwelt among us. If you just take that scripture as is, you will begin to understand it better. There are other scriptures that explain this further, like Col 2:9, and Phil. 2:5-11. Here is some info on this if you want to know more. http://carm.org/jesus-two-natures. But the short answer is no, God can’t die, which is exactly why He became flesh, in order to reconcile us to Him (John 3:16)Hope this helps!

  • Dennis

    Sorry, I must differ with you. The Trinity is not true and Jesus is Gods Son, not God himself. One glaring problem that those that believe Jesus is God, is that Jesus prayed to God. Jesus was not praying to himself. This logically lets us conclude that Jesus cannot be God. The logical thing to do is worship and pray to the one Jesus prayed to, God. If Jesus told you that he had a God, would you honestly believe Jesus is God? The logical answer is no, but they throw all logic out when it comes to this. Yet most people pray to the Father in Jesus name, yet they still believe Jesus is God which is contradictory. That’s like saying the sun comes up in the east and then saying it comes up in the west. Which is it? You can’t have it both ways. Some say the Trinity can’t be explained, just believe. Well don’t, because its simply not true. The reason it can’t be explained is because it’s wrong.

    Most of those that believe Jesus is God use the phrase “God the Son”. That phrase is nowhere in the old or new testament, only “Son of God”. Those that use that phrase are adding to the Bible which we are warned not to do. Revelation 22:18-19 “For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

    Besides adding to the Bible with the words, “God the Son”, they are also taking away words when they ignore the words that state otherwise.

    BE careful. Believe what Word says, not what someone else says. The Bereans went to the Bible when they heard something taught to see if it was true. Acts 17:11 “Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.”

  • Elizabeth

    We believe in one God,

    the Father, the Almighty,

    maker of heaven and earth,

    of all that is, seen and unseen.

    We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,

    the only Son of God,

    eternally begotten of the Father,

    God from God, Light from Light,

    true God from true God,

    begotten, not made,

    of one Being with the Father.

    Through him all things were made.

    For us and for our salvation

    he came down from heaven:

    by the power of the Holy Spirit

    he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,

    and was made man.

    For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;

    he suffered death and was buried.

    On the third day he rose again

    in accordance with the Scriptures;

    he ascended into heaven

    and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

    He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,

    and his kingdom will have no end.

    We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

    who proceeds from the Father and the Son.

    With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.

    He has spoken through the Prophets.

    We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

    We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

    We look for the resurrection of the dead,

    and the life of the world to come. Amen.

    Pretty much a deal breaker for Christians, including Catholics, Lutherans, Episcopalians, and Eastern Orthodox. Personally, I’m OK with “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” That, on a dark night, the text itself is enough. But if we’re bandying about the term Christian, we’re stuck with Trinity.

  • Allie

    There are a lot of Christian sects which don’t require belief in the Trinity. The Creed, while my church and apparently yours repeat it, is a latecomer to the party and not part of Scripture. It’s also important to remember the context in which it was written – to contest several specific heresies, such as the belief that Christians worshiped more than one God, and the belief that since the spirit of God couldn’t suffer, the spirit left Jesus when he was on the Cross.

  • Eric Weiss

    Well, not exactly the Eastern Orthodox. Your version of the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed includes the Filioque ([who proceeds from the Father] AND THE SON). For the Eastern Orthodox the Holy Spirit proceeds only from the Father, as the Creed originally stated; one of the causes of the millennium-long split between East and West was and continues to be the West’s addition to this clause of the Creed of “…and the Son.”

  • http://rindle.blogspot.com/ Lyn

    Not to be That Guy, but you do realise that verse in the Revelation was about the book of the Revelation and not the canon of scripture, which didn’t exist at the time of the writing of the Revelation, right?

  • BIGFOOT

    There is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Each differentiated, but expressing One Godhead.

    “Go find the brothers, and tell them, I am ascending to my Father, and your Father, to my God and You God” John 20:16-17

    “My God, and your God”

    Who is God the Father?

    ” I gazed in to the vision of the night, and I saw, coming on the clouds of heaven, one like the Son of Man, (God the Son, Jesus the Christ) He came to the on of great age, (God the Father) and was led into his presence. On Him, was conferred sovereignty glory, and kingship, and all men of all peoples nations, and languages became
    His savants. His sovereignty which shall never pass away, nor will his empire ever be destroyed” Daniel 7:13-14

  • Hilasmos

    Where’s your evidence, Dennis, from Scripture?

  • BIGFOOT

    Christ was in heaven before he came to the earth. He came to die, to destroy death………which he did. And now He holds the Keys to death, and life everlasting. He is Logos.

  • http://allegro63.wordpress.com/ allegro63

    This is of course a theology. It is not concrete, it is not one held by all Christians. It is simply one way of looking at the mystery that is God.

  • BIGFOOT

    Its not simply one way of looking at the mystery that is God.” Its the only way. Christians do not understand he Logos nature of Christ, and that’s what makes them cherry-pick the gospels.

  • http://allegro63.wordpress.com/ allegro63

    And that is your opinion. Got that the first time. However your view is merely that. We have no problem with the fact that others will see things differently and it doesn’t really bother us that it seems get your righteousness in a self induced twist. We just expect people to share their views, acknowledge that they are held individually, and respect that others may see things differently, and those views are just as important to them personally.

    If that is a problem for you, this is not where you need to be.

  • BIGFOOT

    I have no problem with that. Everyone is entitles to his opinion-right or wrong. But there is only one Truth, and he does not require defense . We are all in the process of learning, and the Truth will out-in the end.

  • http://allegro63.wordpress.com/ allegro63

    Ok, honest, but seemingly silly question. If God is in no need of defense from us, then why do people go so far out of their way to do so?

  • BIGFOOT

    Man creates an image of God based on his own self-interest. So, because of self-interest, he has to defend this Image of God. God is God. He does not change. But Man does not understand God. So, what he does, is to imagine God. If he creates a religion that profits him, of course, its to his interest to defend the foundation of his religion, because of profit. Not God. So, Man, when he claims to defend God, he lies. An Almighty God cannot be a God who requires defense from His Puny minion. It does not make sense. Does it?

  • Hilasmos

    Are they defending or explaining and clarifying, Allegro

  • http://johnshore.com/ John Shore

    Bigfoot: Tip: No matter how firmly you believe it, never say that your way is the only way. It’s the single quickest way to get people to stop taking you seriously.

  • BIGFOOT

    Its not my way. Its His Way.

    “I am the Way; I am Truth and Life. No one can come
    to the Father except through me. “ John 14:6-6 .

    “ A man can have no greater love, than to lay down his own life for his friends. You are my friends. If you do what I command you.” John 15:12-14

    “ I am the good shepherd; I know my own, and my own knows me. Just as my father knows me, and I know the Father and I lay down my life for my sheep. And there are other sheep that are not of this fold, and these, I have to lead as well. They too, will listen to my voice, and there will be only one flock, and one shepherd”
    John 10:13-16

    “ I, am the living One. I was dead, and now I am to live forever and ever, and I hold the keys of death, and underworld” Revelation 1:17-20

    So, you see, its not my way.

  • BarbaraR

    The second quickest way for people to stop taking you seriously is to say, “I didn’t say it, God said it,” then fling Bible verses around as though that settled it.

    Stop.

  • http://johnshore.com/ John Shore

    He’s outta here.

  • BarbaraR

    I can live with that.

  • Hilasmos

    Could you explain further, Allegro?

  • Hilasmos

    Hi Robert,
    God didn’t die, but the ‘tabernacled’ body of Jesus died. The physical element died.

  • Dan

    God Almighty cannot die, but the body of His fleshly revelation to us can die. The Spirit lives forever, but the flesh dies, just like our flesh dies and our spirits live forever. Jesus spirit didn’t die, just the flesh he wore.

  • Joris Heise

    Old as this is, it seems worth some current (Dec, 2013) comment because I often define myself less as a Christian and more as a Trinitarian. I tend to view the Trinity as much more Act than theology or even faith. It is what people DO that defines the situation. We respond to Creation, one way or another–say “yes,” (Dag Hammarskjold) or stay angry at “fate, luck, destiny, environment” [THE FATHER-CREATOR]; we respond to people–the “sons and daughters of men (and women)” by helping or rejecting one another, and it seems clear, after awhile that the”son of man” used that (Messianic) title to suggest the role of human beings, the family, the shared DNA of human conscience and consciousness {the SON-JESUS–how we treat one another] and finally the interior life we all have, the dialogue, self-awareness, morality, unknown motives etc. [the Spirit]. Even naming [pocketing them into a noun–as this article suggests] is a a touch of disrespect and leads people into distortions and eventually falsehood.

  • James Tucker

    I prayed and prayed about the Trinity, and this is what i believed to have received from God as my answer and it is as follows……picture a clear lightbulb, ….if you have ever looked at a light filament when it is on, it is almost unbearable bright to look at. God told Moses that he couldn’t look at him face to face because his appearance would be to much for Moses to bear,….to me the filament is the almighty God, the Father ….
    Now,…lets look at the globe of the lightbulb , that would be Jesus, the Son in human form….
    Now the light we see from the lightbulb when it is turned on would represent the Holy Spirit. ….now we have 1 lightbulb with 3 distinct characteristics same as the TRINITY

  • BIGFOOT

    Trinity is Law differentiated. I have unraveled it totally. Its a Scientific principle.

  • Bones

    If you say so.

  • http://allegro63.wordpress.com/ allegro63

    Is it really?

  • Izzie

    Amen

  • Josh Schultz

    Thank you for sharing that.

  • Neil Regan

    “people say there’s nothing wondrously miraculous about the Bible.”
    The book in itself is only miraculous in that people believe the stories as if they actually happened. The concept of ‘trinity’ is just another highlight of how badly written this work of fiction is.

  • Rosi

    I am sorry you have this opinion but you obviously need to do some research about the Bible, the Bible has more support than the Constitution of the United States to verify the stories that are in it. There are yes a lot of interpretations by those that read it but it’s translation to any language in the world is meticulously followed from the original scripts directly to the language it is translated to by believers and non-believers. The old testament is a recounting of the historical events of the Hebrew people and the sayings of their prophets. The new testament are eye witness accounts of those that spent time with Christ.so how are these made up stories? Those that wrote those accounts gave up their lives for them that is how much they believed in what they shared. No one gives up their lives for a lie. Also it is recognized even by the secular community, psychologists, etc., that the Bible can have a radical impact on a person’s mind, and life and just repeating verses from it kept Prisoners of War from loosing their minds during their capture and mistreatment while others of other faiths or non-believers didn’t fare as well. There are still people today who give up their lives or put their lives on the line for their faith in the Bible because it is believed to be the word of God-a divine road map left to us by him to be able to understand who and what He is which is basically the essence of love and to be able to become like Him. My grandmother when she died there was no question in anyone’s mind that their is a heaven and a God because of the testimony she left behind. Even my atheist cousin felt a spiritual presence of God at her funeral. There are things we can not totally explain but that does not mean we ignore their existence and try to belittle it. She used to say people will say what they want but when their time comes to meet their maker they will know. I hope and pray it will never be too late for you. There is a God and He is love. Give him a real chance to know him. He will not fail you he never has anyone.

  • Rosi

    Sorry I am very new at this and I just realized this is incredibly old. Well, anyways if someone reads it it might help them find their way:)

  • Dan

    The Trinity concept is referred to on several different occasions in the Bible. I won’t spend time here quoting them, they are easily found. What I am going to try and do here is explain the Trinity concept in human terms to the best of my human ability.
    God Almighty is One God…He can be anywhere and everywhere and be anything He so desires. God has no limits, nothing is impossible to Him.
    If God decides he wants to become a donkey and speak to a prophet, He can do so.
    If God decides He wants to become a burning bush and speak to another prophet, He can do that as well. If God decides He wants to dwell on the earth and walk among us, He can do that as well.
    God in all His glory could not come to this earth because the earth and everything and everyone would perish at the sight of His holiness.
    So God chose to put on flesh and manifest Himself to us in a way that we could see, touch and understand without causing us harm.
    This manifestation of Himself to us is called Jesus.
    To not understand this concept boggles my mind.

    Humans clone animals and other humans from one sample of DNA.
    Do we dare consider ourselves that close to Gods Power and Might that we
    are creating life?
    How soon before humans can create their own DNA and bring forth life?
    Are we greater than God? Why do we praise our own discoveries, yet we
    deny Gods infinite wisdom over ours?
    God can create anything and He can be anything He wants, regardless of what humans can comprehend about Him. Our understanding of mathematics, physics does not limit Gods creativity. If God choose to be everywhere at once, He can do that! And if while being everywhere at once God decides in one spot He will wear flesh, He can do that as well! God is limitless and our understanding of Him is limited.

  • Izzie

    This is the best explanation I have yet to have read on the trinity. Amen

  • Dan

    Thank you Izzie

  • queensrealm

    …I loved this, thank you…. God bless

  • Bones

    Is it important?

  • Hilasmos

    You don’t believe in definitions at all? So, everything is relative and subjective? There are no standards, benchmarks, paradigms…?

  • Bones

    Understanding scripture is relative.

    And honestly who really cares if someone has a modal view of the Trinity or none at all.

    This isn’t the 400s.

  • Hilasmos

    Not according to the Bible and God’s Word. By the way, the word is model, not “Modal” which suggests manifestations, as in modalism.

  • Bones

    I know exactly what modal means and why I used it.

    And yes the interpretation of scripture is relative, hence why we have a gazillion different Bible believing sects.

  • Thaddeus Irvine

    John,
    You are confusing modalism with Trinitarianism.

  • http://allegro63.wordpress.com/ allegro63

    Not really. The two beliefs are different only in how that three is defined. One uses the three aspects of one being, the other uses three beings of on aspect. Interestingly, the use of modalism is quite common, as Jesus is commonly looked at as a completely separate entity the Father, with the Holy spirit being an aspect of the Father, not a clear separate entity from the rest of God. What is more common, at least in evangelical circles, is a hybrid of the two concepts.

    Personally, I find all three, modalism, trinitarianism, and the modern hybrid interesting, yet too limiting a means to define God.

  • Thaddeus Irvine

    Hi Allegro,
    Definition is important, when defining doctrine and the nature of the Godhead. You have made this clear in your statement: 3 aspects of one being; God isn’t one being, but 3 beings or persons. Each person isn’t an aspect, facet or manifestation, but a separate person.They are separate in terms of identity, but not in terms of nature. I agree that we are very limited in terms of using human language and our understanding of God fully, Hybridization of the God of the Bible, isn’t a scriptural concept and isn’t shared by the majority of biblical Christians.

  • Bones

    Meh. I’m over the idea that we have to have a correct understanding of god. So is most of the western world.

  • Thaddeus Irvine

    Allegro, could you explain further how you come to this conclusion, since the Trinitarian belief is that the Holy Spirit isn’t an ‘aspect’ but a person. Jesus is also regarded as a ‘person’ and not an entitiy or a manfestation. ‘Entities’ don’t get themselves crucified.

  • Bones

    What do you mean by the holy spirit is a person?

  • Hilasmos

    You’ve made it clear that you don’t believe in definitions, so why should I bother?

  • Bones

    Your definitions might make you seem so clever but to most people it’s irrelevant.

  • Hilasmos

    Why are you so uncharitable? Have you spoken to “most people”, or is this yet another presumption on your part?

  • Bones

    Meh, I’m sure whether or not God exists as three persons and whether or not the fiilioque should be included in the Nicene Creed is important in a lot of people’s minds.

    The Trinity concept is based as much in philosophy than theology.

    And it’s merely another human attempt to explain the divine which is unexplainable.

  • WhiteEagleCross

    Unfathomable Wonderment
    The HOLY TRINITY and/or DIVINE TRINITY
    Taught; Correctly, Comprehensively, & Completely

    My commissioning to teach on this the Holy Trinity is as follows: The Lord brought me in a dream whereby I lifted up my right hand and God the Lord’ hand descended down unto mine. The atmospheres between us seemingly compressed, and receded into about a 1 1/2 to 2 inch thick disk, with a circumference in agreement with the size of our opened hands. Then when pressure above and below was made, the disk illumined between us and charged me whereby my mouth did prophesy until breath, my breath, was no more in me. When I thought to expire, the Breath unto my breath came and fulfilled me, and in the fulfilling I awoke charged with speaking the True. Thank you Lord

    Holy Bible (KJV): OF Jesus Christ our Lord ARE ALL THINGS

    “All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made (John 1:3).”

    “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ (Ephesians 3:9).”

    “For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him (Colossians 1:16).”

    “For Whom are all things, and by Whom are all things (Hebrews 2:10).”

    “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of Whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by Whom are all things, and we by Him (I Corinthians 8:6).”

    “Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created (Revelation 4:11).”

    “Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels (Matt. 13:36-43).

    “And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him (Matt. 17:1-3).

    The Lord brought this question within me; why wasn’t there any blood and/or body fluids getting on Jesus’ garments and others from the wounds in His resurrected Body? Now in consideration of the resurrected glorified body, where just three days earlier Jesus was crucified. Putting off of the natural human nature structured after the flesh of men assumed/conceived of the quickened egg within the womb of the virgin mother Mary’s DNA (hereditary evils maternal side). Jesus died. This total submission unto ultimate assumption into all the glory of God, pouring out of His soul, homogeneously uniting to all the Divine of the Father, making the human thereof begotten from the Beginning, fully and completely, resembled, into the perfect substantial of actualization in ultimate’s Divine at the end, God-man and/or Christ. It is for this reason many didn’t recognize Jesus after the resurrection. For He was now in apparent glory of God the Father (Primal Soul Divine in ultimate human form), and body wounds healed, not removed. Now for you and I in the afterlife, in our new translated bodies, won’t be having the scars and imperfection had when in the world. The Lord God resurrected His body in its entirety, and the scars remaining testify unto His merit, honor, and Righteous Justice. Truly Christ is the Living Testimony between man and God.

    “Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. For He hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him (1 Cor. 5:20-21).

    Emanuel Swedenborg a 1700 seer, one of the most prolific Spiritual writers of all time, explained the Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ in this way; God is man, and consequently he is God-existing; not existing from himself but in himself. He who has existence in himself is God from whom all things are. In a like manner Apostle Paul said it this way: That in Jesus Christ dwelleth all the Divinity bodily (Col. 2:9).

    Jehovah God assuming the human in time, whereby the 23 chromosomes within the egg of the virgin mother Mary’s womb, were quickened of His Holy Spirit providing the Eternal Life Primal Y Heavenly Father Divine Chromosome, taking on the flesh of a man. And in full development as is in agreement with Divine Providence; accelerated due to Divine perfection *7 months instead of 9, pressed through the matrix and was born into the world, the Divine in human form, Jesus (*See note at end). AMEN

    My friends I believe child birth for the women of the Most Ancients, first church of Adam, in their beginning were much easier then what women experience today. The reason I believe this is due to their being Celestial men and women, and having physiologies slightly different than that of men and women today; especially as pertained to environs at that time conducive for respiratory, circulatory, and dietary requirements. All of which, again coupled with quickened Celestial States, I believe would have contributed to less dense physical births.

    After reading this I’m sure there may be some who disagree and want to dismiss this writing altogether. However before you do, I ask you please measure the context and meaning of these words in a fair and balanced correlation and reflection of our Holy Scriptures and current scientific capacity. Then if in congruency’s are found to be irreconcilable, I pray the Lord we part in peace, thank you, and may your time be reimbursed in blessings.

    For those of us who’ve found the congruency, I know the excitement of adventure your mind is now open to explore within the Heavenly Treasures of the heart. At this point before we continue in this writing, I ask all to pray the Lord’s mercy to strengthen our commitment and sincerity that that which we receive is always for good uses. For where we go now is into the singularity of the heart and mind of the New Inmost Church of God and His Christ.

    Note: How shall one enter the Holy of Holies without being tethered by the life line of Christ? My friends I am convinced it’d be easier to walk into the natural sun then to enter into that glory of God the Father without the sure protections of Christ Jesus our Lord. Remember the Holy Bible (KJV) OT prophets of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Selah

    Above it was made known how child birth with the Most Ancients was less difficult due to their being Celestial men and women in that time. Now consider the Divine Holy Spirit conception of Jesus as stated above. Which in contrast, begs the question; wouldn’t a child born of the very and only uncreate, indivisible Divine, of a virgin mother, be with a most unbelievable ease? Let me add here, by our Lord’s mercy, a bridge for believers and non-believers in hope of reconciliation of their seemingly many differences, and that is this; there isn’t any such thing as a nothingness, there is only “everythingness.” The Divine is the very and only uncreated, indivisible perfect substance and form, all in all. It is in this state of Christ mindfulness, that I believe many movies depicting Jesus’ birth as being great pain to the virgin mother Mary are doing so in grave error. For we read in Isaiah the Prophet:

    A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompense to his enemies. Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. Who hath heard such a thing? Who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord; shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God (Isaiah 66:6-9).

    Quite actually I believe the birth was done with such tender gentleness, it’d been experienced as less than a mild menstrual cramp, so protective as to even leaving the hymen intact; allowing Mary to remain a virgin. This is why I am convinced, coupled with the quickening nature of the Holy Spirit mentioned above, that when Joseph consummated the marriage with Mary after Jesus’ birth, the evidence appearing would seal forevermore Mary’s honor and virtue exemplifying a good women, and a tender and gentle, non impeding, wondrous Lord God Almighty. Amen

    Note: It is written in the Holy Scripture; AM I a God far away and not God close by? Jesus say, No man cometh unto me except the Father draw him (God far away). Again Jesus says, No man cometh unto the Father except by Me (God close by). AM I a God far away and not God close by?

    The following verses have been added to further substantiate our Lord’s purposeful Advent into the world for the Salvation of mankind:

    Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14).

    Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us (Matthew 1:18-23).

    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6).

    But thou, Beth-lehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting (Micah 5:2).

    And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judæa: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel (Matthew 2:4-6).

    And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be (Luke 1:26-29).

    And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judæa, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn (Luke 2:4-7).

    Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him (Matthew 2:2).

    Note: In things Great and small the Lord God is the all in all. amen

    Again factoring in the Divine that is Jesus’ very soul, that Holy Spirit quickening, being perfect without time in all time, and without space in all spaces, that human form assumed in the egg in the womb of the virgin mother Mary, would have taken on and/or permitted in appearance the gentleness of Her. Those images before Jesus died depicting His likeness as the virgin mother Mary are the more appropriate. However it is wise to remember when Jesus died He put off the entire natural of the mother assumed when in the world. This too is in agreement with Isaiah the prophet’s description of Jesus as follows:

    Who hath believed our report? And to whom is the arm of Jehovah revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him (Isaiah 53:1-2).

    Remember after the resurrection no one recognized the Lord. This was due to His no longer being in the human order after the sinful flesh of natural men, but in the substantial primal human order after the Divine of God the Father, Christ Jesus our Lord. Truly this was, is, and forever will be the very unfathomable wonderment of Divine incarnation, transfiguration, and/or transformation ever known unto mankind, being completely, of all elements in person in agreement with all elements of creation, assumed into the Divine of God the Father, glorified and seal forever in the body of Christ Jesus our Lord all Power above Heaven and earth. This was made evident by our beloved Apostle Paul who say;

    “And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (2 Cor. 5:15-17).

    This knowledge of our Lord’s very Divine within provides keys by which universal concepts may be unlocked, whereby things afore considered great *Treasures and unfathomable mysteries, requiring faith hoped for unto new ages to come, are being revealed and made known this day.
    My friends it is not by accident, but by Divine Providence, that Spiritual meanings fulfilling within the literal senses of the Word of God are beginning to appear. For they were of old set into motion; great triune locomotion if you will, unto a great harvest to end in this our time. Just consider that by which faith in the past had to suffice to bridge that not fully understood, but hoped for. To obtain unto that greater glory promised unto awakening in Christ likeness as Sons and Daughters, illumining lights, of our Heavenly Father’s Divine Love and Wisdom. Being sealed of the blood sacrifice, and sanctified in the Lamb of God, not yet having the knowledge’s developed from within whereby truths could be supported for greater actualization and retention.

    However this day, this day, by our Lord’s Holy Spirit, having nurtured and developed, and being divinely merciful and long-suffering between the tares and wheat over the last 2000 years. Peoples have been separating out of this world unto Him, having the humility and trusting able to receive, retain, and maintain the Word of God present in their hearts and mind. These are those signified by the *144,000 in the Holy Book of Revelation. For those who walk upright of heart, let this be unto you a sign of the times. For truly it is in agreement with that sign given by Lord Jesus, for these end times being that of Jona the prophet, and again unto our beloved Apostle John. Selah

    *Briefing I’d like to explain a little regarding the 144,000 written about in the Holy Book of Revelation. First for those not yet knowing the Holy Book of Revelation is a Spiritual writing in its entirety. I, like perhaps some of you, have been caught up in trying to press natural understanding into the fulfilling Spiritual meanings of Revelation. In doing so we’ve concocted some pretty convoluted and fanciful ideas. Some have even in their determination to know the prophecy fulfilling therein, at length become so defeated in the effort, that rather than seek more earnest the Lord’ presence and guidance for Spiritual discernment at length, not being seeming forthcoming in agreement with their temporal times and predictions, become embittered, even to the point of dismissal of the Holy Book of Revelation as nothing more than the ravings of a mad man? Sadly today there are those of the clergy and laity alike, who have went as far as removing the Revelation from their bibles. What’s really tragic is the difficulty they had in understanding the Holy Book of Revelation are for one reason, and one reason only, they hadn’t put their Lord together within His human made Divine, and lived it in commitment as that source within by which is all life.

    The darkness unto consummation within Christendom today is in large part due to the heresies livened into the Body of Christ after the two Councils of Nicaea (325 & 787 AD) in which a Trinitarian doctrine of divine persons was adopted, and the correct doctrine of one only Divine Person resisted. Later in this writing a more concise and comprehensive explanation of the Holy trinity and/or Divine Trinity is provided. Now it is this doctrine of today’s Nicaea Trinitarians, that has caused utter blindness in the Church today, even *greater than that blindness experienced by the Israelitish Representative Church’ at the Advent of our Lord 2000 years ago. The reason I say “greater blindness” is due to the Christian Church being a Spiritual Church, which is inward (interior) of the soul, and remains in the afterlife. The irony of this is that what goes around comes around, and today’s Christian Church’ blindness will and has allow the “New Inmost Church of God and His Christ”; New Jerusalem, to be born on earth into the world.

    A sign in this our times, that calls into question the Church’ soundness, are paradoxes beginning by our Lord’ Holy Spirit to manifest with the faithful in Christendom. One which stands out most for me is this; today there are many who believe the Christian Church is consummating or ending, with an estimated 2 billion professing to be Christian? This being the case doesn’t it beg the question; “Who are the 2 billion professing Christians?” This almost serves as an indictment of the Christian Church especially when we consider, that 2000 years ago by the True Man Christ, and a hand full of His disciples, changed the entire paradigm of the world, then what should have been the effect of 2 billion actual Christ like beings; Christians? More will be explained later in this work in regard to the blindness in the Christian Church today.

    Now as not to leave many without an olive branch to hold to for better understanding what is Spiritual, and how it effects within the literal senses of the Word. It will be explained what is signified by the 144,000 in the Revelation. For this explanation I’ve chosen, for what is to me and my family, an invaluable source by which to best understanding the Spiritual meanings fulfilling within the Word of God, and that that joy and happiness may be with all. The source I speak of is from the voluminous blessed writings of the 1700 Seer Emanuel Swedenborg’ 2 Volume writing title; Apocalypse Reveled:

    Volume 1, pg 360, N. 348, [2]: That all numbers signify the adjuncts of things, determining their quality or quantity, may appear manifest from numbers in Revelation, which, were they without some specific signification would yield no sense whatever in many places. From what has been said it may be seen, that by “one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed,” and by “twelve thousand out of each tribe,” is not to be understood that so many were sealed and elected out of the tribes of Israel, but all who are in the truths of doctrine from the good of love from the Lord. This is what is signified in general by “the twelve tribes of Israel,” and also by “the Lord’s twelve apostles”; but, in particular, some truth from good is signified by each tribe, and by each apostle. But the signification of each particular tribe shall be explained presently. Since the twelve tribes signify all the truths of doctrine from the good of love from the Lord, they also signify all things of the church; on which account the twelve tribes of Israel represented the church, as did also the twelve apostles.

    [3] As “twelve” is predicated of the truths and goods of the church, therefore the new Jerusalem, by which is meant the Lord’s new church, is described by the number twelve in every particular, as that:

    “The length and breath of the city was twelve thousand furlongs; that the wall thereof was one hundred and forty-four cubits (Rev. 21:16).

    One hundred and forty-four is twelve multiplied by twelve.

    “That there were twelve gates; and the gates were of twelve pearls; that over the gates there were twelve angels; and the names written of the twelve tribes of Israel; that the wall had twelve foundations; and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; and they consisted of twelve precious stones; as also that the tree of life was there, bearing twelve precious stones; as also that the tree of life was there, bearing twelve fruits according to the twelve months. (Rev. 12-13, 21).

    Concerning all these particulars, see chapter 21 and 22. From such as are here treated of the new heaven is formed, and the new church is forming by the Lord; for they are the same who are mentioned in chapter 14, where it is written of them:

    “And I saw, and, behold, the lamb standing on the Mount Zion, and with him one hundred and forty-four thousand. And they sung a new song before the throne, and no one could learn that son but the hundred and forty-four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth, for they are virgins, and follow the lamb of withersoever he goeth (Rev. 14:1, 3-4).

    *At this point I will insert another point made by Emanuel Swedenborg regarding Rev. 14:4. The reason I do this is more greatly affirm the Spiritual meanings fulfilling in the Holy Book of Revelation. In particular is the words women and virgin within this verse 4 which is explained as follows:

    These are they who are not defiled with women, for they are virgins signifies that they had not adulterated the truths of the church, and defiled them with the falsities of faith, but that they had loved truths because they are truths. That “a woman” signifies the church from the affection of truth, and thence, in the opposite sense, the church from the affection of falsity, may be seen above (n. 434, 533), here the church from the affection of truth, because it is said “not defiled with women”; by “to be defiled with women,” the same is signified as by to commit adultery and whoredom. That “to commit adultery and whoredom” signifies to adulterate and falsity the Word, may also be seen above ((n. 134). “For they are virgins” signifies because they have loved truths because they are truths, thus from spiritual affection; the reason why these are meant by “virgins,” is because “a virgin” signifies the church as a bride, who desires to be conjoined with the Lord, and to become a wife; and the church which desires to be conjoined with the Lord, loves truths because they are truths, for by truths, when one live according to them, conjunction is effected. Hence it I that Israel, Zion, and Jerusalem, in the Word, are called “virgins” and “daughters”; for by “Israel,” “Zion,” and “Jerusalem,” is signified the church. [2] that all they who are such in the Lord’s church, whether they be virgins or young men, wives or husbands, boys or old men, girls or old women, are meant by “virgins,” may appear from the Word, where virgins are mentioned, as “the virgin Israel” (Jer. 18:13; 31:4, 21; Amos 4:2; Joel 1:8). “The virgin daughter of Judah” (Lam. 2:10). “The virgin of my people” (jer. 14:17). Therefore the Lord likened the church to “ten virgins” (Matt. 14:1, and following verses). And it is said in Jeremiah:

    “I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin Israel, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that play (Jer. 31:4, 13).

    And in David:

    “They have seen thy goings, O God, even the goings of my God, my king, in the sanctuary; among them were the virgins playing with timbrels (Ps. 68:24-25).

    “Kings’ daughters were among thy precious ones, at they right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir; hear, O daughter, and see; so shall the king greatly desire they beauty; and the daughter of Tyre shall bring a gift, the rich among the people shall entreat thy favor; the king’s daughter is all precious within; her clothing is of woven gold, she shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework; the virgins her companions that follow he shall enter into the kin’s palace (Ps. 45:9-15).

    By “the king” in this passage is meant the Lord, by “the queen,” the church as a wife, by “daughters” and “virgins,” the affections of good and truth.

    Now to conclude from the above paragraph on the 144,000 before the insertion, will continue as follows:

    [4] Because “the twelve tribes” signify the Lord’s church as to all its truths and goods, therefore the number “twelve” became a number of the church, and was used in its holy ceremonies and solemnities, as:

    “In the breastplate of judgment, in which were the urim and thummim, there were twelve precious stones (Exod. 28:21).
    “That twelve loaves of faces were put upon the table in the tabernacle (Lev. 24:5-6).
    “That Moses built an altar below Mount Sinai, and erected twelve pillars (Exod. 24:4).
    “That twelve men were sent to explore the land of Canaan (Deut. 1:23).
    That twelve men brought twelve stones out of the midst of Jordan (Josh. 4:1-9, 20).
    That twelve princes at the dedication of the altar brought twelve chargers of silver, twelve bowls of silver, twelve censers of gold, twelve oxen, twelve rams, twelve lambs, and twelve he-goats (Num. 7:84, 87).
    “That Elijah found Elisha ploughing with twelve yoke of oxen, and himself among the twelve, and that then he cast his mantle upon him (1 Kings 19:19).
    “That on the head of the woman who was clothed with the sun there was a crown of twelve stars (Rev. 12:1).

    From what has been said it may now be evident, that by “one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed, twelve thousand out of the earth tribe,” are not mean so many in number of the Jews and Israelites, but all who are of the new Christian have, and the new church, who will be in truths of doctrine from the good of love through the word from the Lord.

    At this point I will conclude the spiritual explanation of the 144,000 of the new Church of our Lord written in the Holy Book of Revelation. May I recommend to all seeking the greater enrichment of the Spiritual meanings fulfilling with the Holy Scriptures please seek the Lord for introduction into His servant Emanuel Swedenborg blessed works.

    Note: Men ascending up or within the Spirit at these degrees not prepared will suffocate. And like a drowning man will try all that is in their power to hold on to you, and bring you back under the sea with them. This is why one in Christ consciousness at these higher degrees and/or Spiritual and Celestial atmospheres must be firmly affixed upon the ROCK, if not, as Peter, you’ll begin to sink. Selah

    Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil as he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke you. I’m made mindful in the Word where the scribes and Pharisees were disputing with Lord Jesus about a Sabbath day violation, and Jesus say, (KJV) John 5:

    (con’t reply below)

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    (con’t from above; Unfathomable Wonderment
    The HOLY TRINITY and/or DIVINE TRINITY
    Taught; Correctly, Comprehensively, & Completely)

    ”After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had. And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk. Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place. Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole. And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
    Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth. But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light. ***36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent him ye believe not. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. I receive not honour from men. But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words (John 5:1-47)?

    ***Jesus say of John the Baptist, (KJV) Matthew 11:

    “And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went you out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind? But what went you out to see? A man clothed in soft clothes? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings’ houses. But what went you out to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who shall prepare your way before you. Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist: yet he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you will receive it, this is Elijah, who was to come (Matt. 11:7-14).

    It is these awakened Spiritual beings (144,000); enlightened ones, being our new teachers, that the faith of old shall wane to the faith new, where by those things hoped for shall be made known such as: why Jesus’ body wasn’t present in the sepulcher after the resurrection, how He was able to commune with disciples then vanish from their sight, how He healed those sick in agreement within Divine order, how He was able to cast out demons, how He was able to subjugate the hells, and put in order the Heavens, and therein doing, establish Salvation for mankind and redeem them forevermore, how He and the Father are one as soul and body in man is one, how He is establishing through His Holy Spirit Angelkind (How the Spirit of Angels are made by the Lord in the midst of men on earth will be explained in later work) being from mankind; this can only be received by those of the New Inmost Church, how He this day provides by His Holy Spirit the Holy Testament (HT) which fulfills in the New Testament (NT) which fulfilled in the Testament of Old (OT); making the Word of God complete in a Divine Trinity within the written letter, and for those who may reach; how He will in the dawning age of Aquarius, in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, change us all. The ungodly cast into hell fire; tares, and the Godly; wheat quicken within the clouds of Heaven. Even so, come Lord Jesus. Thank you Lord! Amen

    Given of God the free choice between life and living, to death and dying, men in and of themselves, choose life but live it unto dying. This is made most evident when one consider that Lord Jesus, the very incarnate Word of God, the true light unto the world, which lighteth every man who cometh into the world, came unto His own, and they preferred their darkness to that His Light. And in doing they brought condemnation unto themselves by denying the light unto Salvation. Jesus says; except ye believe in Me, ye shall die in your sins. Therefore the Lord God must, seemingly unbeknown to man, gently and tenderly, drawn/raise him out of his depravity, and awaken him unto Himself, Christ like, alive and living.

    The Divine of God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ is the perfect order unto Life Living. Quite actually Jesus knowing Himself to be of the Eternal Life source in Him (Father; Creative Divine; Esse/Wilt) knew that the Divine order of God the Father would heal and make perfect always that which was without sin; Creative Divine cannot deny Himself. This is why Lord Jesus say, I AM having this commandment of the Father, I AM able to lay down my life and take it again. Again as the Father hath life in Himself, so too has He given the Son to have Life in Himself, the Father and I are one. I can do nothing except that which I see my Father do. I lay down my Life, no man take it from me, but I lay it down freely, for I AM able to lay it down and take it again. This commandment Jesus had of the Father, in whom He said: I AM. Jesus say; Father glorify Thou me with Thine own self with that glory I had with Thee before the world was, and the voice from out of Heaven say; I have both glorified it and will straightway glorify it again. I AM who I AM. The glory Jesus was referencing to “before the world was” is that of the creative Divine of the Father. Remember Jesus say, My Words are Spirit and Life. Therefore when it is said “I have both glorified it and will straightway glorify it again” is meant the will or Life of Jesus is in union with the wilt or Living creative Divine of God the Father. Being of this knowing provides greater awareness, strengthens belief, and coalesces otherwise what would be an incomprehensible infinite manifold Spirit of God, into a measure and weight receivable for men and Angels. The beloved Apostle Paul in like knowing say, and so it is written, the first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening Spirit. Many professing Christianity today having not fully understood and/or correctly recognizing this distinction in the body of Christ have livened confusion into the Church. Making to them, as stated above, Trinitarian doctrines of divine persons in three coequal gods which has lead to such insanity has even having Jesus birthing Jesus into the world, and other like nonsense. It is on this account that all of Christendom today, I believe, is teetering on the brink of calamity, even like unto the days of Noah foretold of by our Blessed Lord Jesus. My friends there isn’t any son from eternity, but there is a creative Divine which incarnated in time, taking on the flesh of a man, made His human Divine, and brought about Salvation for mankind, and Redeemed the world unto Himself, God-man and/or Christ. Jesus say and I, if I be lifted up from the earth will draw all men unto me. Here I am again made mindful in the words of Apostle Paul who say: Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

    And in John 17 (KJV):

    “I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me that they may be one, as we are (John 17:9-11).

    A living Glory, Christ in us, and we in Christ. Selah

    Note: The Spirit of God is most dynamic and only in Christ can it be appreciated most fully in its various inflections.

    My friends, Jesus died on that cross. That dying was the putting off of the natural in the flesh of men put on of the virgin mother Mary (DNA). The wilt of the Father Jesus say be done in Gethsemane, is that which resemble in all the elements of Jesus, making the human glorified in the Divine of the Father, Christ or God-man. Truly in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and so it was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh and we beheld His glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

    Note: Now in Christendom, as in all Churches before it, there does come a time when the livening of evil germs spoil the entire meal, and yes the argument could be made, and I am one that makes it, that that time is now; by our Lord’s mercy I see the harvest in our Christian Churches.

    My friends we have come to the conclusion unto that intended purpose for which this writing was first begun. That all may come into a greater knowledge and liveliness awakened realness, fulfilling in all the joy and happiness of heart and mind. It is to this commitment, I sincerely began my walk with God for many years now. Today the Lord has made me whole in living a triune life, by which cogency honestly and justly sought for helping us, provided the veils to be parted whereby may be distinguished the oneness of God the Father’s Holy Trinity of Love and Charity in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Here than in an effort to remove what to me is the greatest fragmentation in Christendom today, which I believe has moved us from the darkness into the thick darkness of consummation is that of not having a right understanding of the Holy Trinity/Divine Trinity. In addition this self induced blindness within Christendom has impeded many from coming into a fuller conjunction with God our Father and Christ Jesus our Lord; sadly what has gone around this day has come around. Selah

    So by our Lord’s mercy, in all anticipation of healing and restoring soundness from the inmost of the one True Church of God and His Christ, the Divine Trinity taught correctly will be provided as follows:

    First there is no such thing as “divine persons”, plural with an “s”. There is a Holy Trinity and/or Divine Trinity in the one only Divine Person of Christ Jesus our Lord. In this, the one God, there are three essentials of His one indivisible, uncreate, Divine essence distinguishably of Father (Creative Divine), Son (Ultimate human form of Creative Divine), and Holy Spirit (Radiant goodwill of the Holy of Holies Divine union between God and man in ultimate power supreme in the glorified body of Christ), one Lord. This is that Bread of Life; Heavenly Manna by which if any man eats may be made alive forevermore. Amen and Amen

    Deuteronomy 6:
    4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: 5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

    Here then we are gifted by our Lord’s mercy, in very wonderful truths in which to affirm right order in Christ mindfulness, and that is; The Holy Spirit is the Lord, and the Lord is the Heavenly Father. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one, as soul, body, and operation in man is one; and even more so, in consideration that, the Lord God is the very all in all, in which we of the living who do His will have been created in the image and likeness therein, from, and too. Amen

    John 12:44-45: “Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. “And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.”

    Thank you Lord Jesus. Amen

    Note: The DNA of humankind is quantitative and measureable, not from same fixed elements themselves, but from the Spiritual inhabiting them making purpose to end uses unto living. Jesus being the very Divine True walking openly among us in His generation say, I AM the way, truth, and Life. And again He say, I AM the Resurrection and Life, no man cometh unto the Father except by me; God close by. And again He say, no man cometh unto me except the Father draw him; God far away.

    Note: In the afterlife from the love we are inside will determine who and where we are outside. Therefore it is written in our Holy Scriptures that, all in the afterlife will know as they are known. For there will no longer be any earthen vessels of flesh whereby one may mask inside intentions contrary to outward appearances.

    Note: Now my friends, Angels are most wonderfully the very actual in male and female. They are so beautifully so… temporal ideas enlightened in degree necessary to express would be incomprehensible. Jesus say, How shall I tell thee of Heavenly things when ye cannot understand these earthly things? Selah

    Note: Before the advent of Lord Jesus the Holy Trinity was not. The Holy Trinity was brought about in time for the Salvation of mankind. Had not Jehovah God assumed the human in time, mankind would have ceased; Singularity. This is why in the OT the Holy Spirit is not written; now one may find a few places in the OT where it is mentioned Spirit of Holiness, but no Holy Spirit. Sadly some Bible translations have chosen to change Spirit of Holiness to Holy Spirit in lower and upper case letters to indicate a difference, even changing the font size, rather than teach the reason why. Also many Bible translations have changed Jehovah in the OT to read Lord. One may ask why this is even an issue. It becomes an issue when speaking of God the Father in His ultimate human form of Jesus Christ and/or God-man. Now we have the sovereign ruler of Heaven and earth, KING of Kings and LORD of Lords. To all who may receive, the power of the Spiritual rest in the ultimate of its being, and in our Lord it is in Being Supreme Human made Divine; Perfect Man, God-man and/or Christ. The body of Jesus was resurrected in its entirety, glorified in the very Divine of God the Father. It is for this reason today whether we say Father or Lord it is same. Look in the older text and you will find the luster tarnish over the years. To serve as an example for polishing, I would ask each to compare Psalm 51:11 within different Holy Bible translations, Old and New; as well as Languages. And for grit contrast to distinguish between those espousing a Holy Trinity doctrine of a Divine Persons or Divine Person for the correct doctrine with the words in St. John (KJV) 7:

    “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. *(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified. (John 7:37-38))

    Note: Jesus was sent into the world as the very Son of Peace, and those of earth killed Him, when the world was willing to let Him go. Selah

    Note: Men are born into the world having translatable souls capable of existing in a Spiritual realm. While animals, not endowed with translatable souls; being without reason, live to the fullness of their lives naturally only. In afterlife there are animals, even more so than here in this temporal world and some not even known upon this earth. Some inquire about pets they’ve enjoyed on earth; will they be with them in afterlife? The answer is yes, for all things connecting in the affections, true affections, of man on earth will be bind in Heaven. My friends in the Spiritual realm we’ll all be in the actual of our loves and/or lives. Therefore all that is inside us will be in agreement with all that is appearing outside us, for there isn’t any time/space natural, but substantial states Spiritual. And wonderful to say, these will be and are for greater than anything ever could be in this course world of inanimate things. Also very important to bear in mind, when you hear and/or see the word “Spirit”, think not of nothingness, but more correctly of an everythingness, perfect living primal substance and from.

    So when I consider what too and for me am a true, I measure it to that standard of Christ in me, by which His Holy Spirit draws me up (within) into that higher degree in like consciousness (understanding) of mind… this is the source of my living unto Life in absolutes; reality actual.

    Note: An actual Christ like Christian, cannot convert, and will not revert to Islam. Now a weak minded Christian may revert to Islam, but not convert. Now a Muslim may convert to Christianity, but cannot revert to Christianity. The reason for this order is that being Christ like is the highest degree obtainable unto mankind in Godliness. This order holds true not only for the Muslim religion, but for all religions, even Angelkind as well. A point for Christians to consider, as mentioned above, there is a new inmost Celestial Church being brought down by our Lord from the Heavens today, and in like dynamic for the Christian Spiritual Church, it will not be able to revert into it but must convert into it. Remember the teachings of the bottles, OT bottles, NT Bottles, and now Holy Testament (HT) Bottles, each are preserved in their rightful age. Selah
    Note: It may not be too late to send the presents back, as astronomers have calculated that Christmas should not be celebrated on December 25 – but on June 17 instead.
    Researchers tracked the appearance of the ‘Christmas star’, which the Bible states three wise men followed to find Jesus.
    Australian stargazer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years ago.
    He discovered that a bright star really did appear over Bethlehem 2,000 years ago – but pinpointed the date of Christ’s birth as June 17, and not December 25.
    Scientists claim the Christmas star was most likely a magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single ‘beacon of light’ which appeared suddenly.
    Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they had been waiting for, and they followed the ‘star’ to Christ’s birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.
    Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere between 3BC and 1AD.
    Using the St Matthew’s Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.
    Mr Reneke, who is editor of Sky and Space magazine, said: ‘We have software that can recreate the night sky exactly as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.
    ‘Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.
    ‘We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star – but it is the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.
    ‘Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas star. There’s no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we have from the time.
    ‘This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.’
    He added: ‘December is an arbitrary date we have accepted but it doesn’t really mean that is when it happened.
    ‘This is not an attempt to decry religion. It’s really backing it up as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at the right time.
    ‘Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce people’s faith.’
    Previous theories have speculated that the star was a supernova (exploding star) or even a comet.
    But Mr Reneke says that by narrowing the date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation yet.
    A leading theory behind why December 25 was chosen as the date to celebrate Christ’s birth, was that it was selected by the church as it aligned closely with a major pagan festival, which allowed the church to claim a new celebration for Christianity.
    However, if the findings are correct, it would mean a change from Christmas cards featuring traditional snowy scenes to sunny beach views in June.
    It may not be too late to send the presents back, as astronomers have calculated that Christmas should not be celebrated on December 25 – but on June 17 instead.
    Researchers tracked the appearance of the ‘Christmas star’, which the Bible states three wise men followed to find Jesus.
    Australian stargazer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years ago.
    He discovered that a bright star really did appear over Bethlehem 2,000 years ago – but pinpointed the date of Christ’s birth as June 17, and not December 25.
    Scientists claim the Christmas star was most likely a magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single ‘beacon of light’ which appeared suddenly.
    Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they had been waiting for, and they followed the ‘star’ to Christ’s birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.
    Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere between 3BC and 1AD.
    Using the St Matthew’s Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.
    Mr Reneke, who is editor of Sky and Space magazine, said: ‘We have software that can recreate the night sky exactly as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.
    ‘Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.
    ‘We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star – but it is the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.
    ‘Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas star. There’s no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we have from the time.
    ‘This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.’
    He added: ‘December is an arbitrary date we have accepted but it doesn’t really mean that is when it happened.
    ‘This is not an attempt to decry religion. It’s really backing it up as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at the right time.
    ‘Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce people’s faith.’
    Previous theories have speculated that the star was a supernova (exploding star) or even a comet.
    But Mr Reneke says that by narrowing the date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation yet.
    A leading theory behind why December 25 was chosen as the date to celebrate Christ’s birth was that it was selected by the church as it aligned closely with a major pagan festival, which allowed the church to claim a new celebration for Christianity.
    However, if the findings are correct, it would mean a change from Christmas cards featuring traditional snowy scenes to sunny beach views in June.
    Note: American founding father John Quincy Adams:
    • “Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?” “Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity”?
    –1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.
    “The Law given from Sinai [The Ten Commandments] was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code.”
    John Quincy Adams. Letters to his son. p. 61
    Elias Boudinot: | Portrait of Elias Boudinot
    “ Be religiously careful in our choice of all public officers . . . and judge of the tree by its fruits.”

    Thank you Lord

    AMEN