Never Feed a Rabid Animal

Ms. Baldock at Charlotte Pride, with a "street preacher" who allegedly spent hours harassing her and calling her vile names.

This weekend just past Kathy Baldock and Lisa Salazar went to Gay Pride at Charlotte, NC. (Here’s what Kathy wrote about the event before attending. Stay tuned to her blog for her upcoming report of her experiences at Charlotte GP.) Also at the event was Michael “God Has a Better Way Than Homosexuality” Brown. Brown, who has chosen to make his “ministry” out of belittling and harassing LGBTQ people, was there because the media was there, and he craves attention like a thirsty anemic vampire craves blood.

Kathy and Lisa were there to spread love and reconciliation; Brown and his red-shirted brigade of braying bullies were there to make sure that people generally, and LGBTQ people in particular, never fail to associate Christianity with spitting, rabid, crotch-obsessed rage.

This morning I exchanged a few emails with Kathy and Lisa, both of whom I consider friends.

Brown has treated Lisa, a transgender woman, with particular contempt and venom. But all while smiling sweetly in the benevolent grace of Christ’s love, of course.

A lot of us these days are engaged in battles between right and wrong, between left and right. The Internet has provided platforms for us all;  and so now an idea, or even just a blog post, can suddenly bring any of us all kinds of attention for which we may or may not be prepared.

If you’re a blogger, author, or any sort of public figure who writes or talks about issues that are in any way controversial, be aware that, in the eyes of a media vulture like Brown, the very moment you begin to receive just about any sustained attention you transform into delicious, still-palpitating road kill. These dark-winged creatures will swoop down on you; their survival means they must. The moment your head rises above the crowd, such ravenous raptors see nothing but dollar signs transposed onto your neck.

Their first circlings about you won’t seem ominous at all. You’ll like it! Someone further up the media ladder than you is paying attention to you! And they’ll be just as charming as a koala bear in a top hat. They’ll tell you that all they want is to engage with you, that they’re genuinely interested in your opinions, that they respect you. They’ll invite you to participate with them in some sort of public exchange. They’ll ask you (in the main) to be on their radio show. (If I understand correctly, Brown has intimated that he would like Kathy to be a “guest” on his complete waste of perfectly good sound waves.)

And what they will be hiding from you all along is that you are, in fact, nothing to them but attention fodder, that all they really want is to make of you a circus freak that will result in a spotlight being swung upon them, ringmasters of the show. Contrary to everything they say, and to everything for which they have the phenomenal nerve to pretend they stand, all they truly care about is getting attention. That’s their secret. That’s their trick. That’s their drive. That’s where, for them, the money is.

And that’s where you come in.

You are their money. You, impassioned writer. You, thoughtful speaker. You, ardent champion of the underdog.

You, who are fueled by an allegiance to, and a personal relationship with, the truth.

They need you like the snake needs the mouse. They don’t care about the truth. People like Brown, like Beck, like Limbaugh and Palin and wild-eyed Bachmann, have no more interest in the truth than they do in working toward genuine solutions to genuine problems. What drives members of that every-man-for-himself tribe is good ol’ fashioned money. And the only way they can keep their money river flowing is if media keeps pays them attention. And if there’s one thing people like Brown know, it’s that nothing attracts the media like blood in the water.

So if you’re a person doing just about anything interesting or even vaguely contentious—and especially if it has anything to do with religion—then sooner or later you’re likely to get an invitation to come wading into their pool.

Kathy and Lisa are big girls; they can take care of themselves. I sure wouldn’t want to be the guy who climbs into the ring with the formidable Kathy Baldock, and if Lisa can be unsettled, I’ve yet to see it. They both make all us Christians proud. So this isn’t about protecting them.

Well, it is, kind of. Not that I would presume to advise either of those wise women. But they, like you, and like me, would do well to at least sometimes bear in mind that the most effective way to fight a media opportunist like Michael Brown is to walk away from him. Nothing hurts a guy such as Michael Brown like ignoring him.

Because that, even if for only a moment, leaves him all alone with the very worst enemy he has: himself.

About John Shore

John Shore (who, fwiw, is straight) is the author of UNFAIR: Christians and the LGBT Question, and three other great books. He is founder of Unfundamentalist Christians (on Facebook here), and executive editor of the Unfundamentalist Christians group blog.  (In total John's two blogs receive some 250,000 views per month.) John is also co-founder of The NALT Christians Project, which was written about by TIME,  The Washington Post, and others. His website is JohnShore.com. You're invited to like John's Facebook page. Don't forget to sign up for his mucho-awesome newsletter.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501162343 Jason Paul Bachand

    While I applaud your support of LGBTQ equality, I just don’t understand your Christianity. As a rational third party observer, it’s impossible for me to discern between your faith and the faith of Michael Brown. Both of you proceed from belief in an invisible, unprovable deity and both claim a priviliged knowledge of what that “god” wants. An ethical understanding of LGBTQ  issues built on the an ancient, male-dominated, historically questionable text is advanced in both cases. I confess that I like your deity better merely for its concordance with my own views on compassion and love. But your claim that god is a loving forgiver, to me, is logically indistinguishable from the claim made by Brown and his kind that god is a judgmental tyrant. I can only say that your god is better in the same way that I can “argue” that I prefer vanilla over chocolate ice cream; empirically, both are the same.

    It seems to me that our moral reasoning vis-a-vis LGBTQ rights (and all other moral issues) ought to be founded on something more solid than the hopelessly subjective flooring of faith. It is, for example, a fact (in the inarguable empirical sense) that sexual identity is genetically influenced, that societies with equal rights under the law for LGBTQ persons have higher rates of happiness and success (n.b. and are more atheistic), and that same-sex families can be as beneficial to children as opposite-gendered families. Don’t these hard realities comprise a much more formidable argument for equality in LGBQT matters, much stronger than “my invisible friend says so?”

    • Tana

      I agree with your position that LGBTQ equity ought to be based on the evidence at hand that can and should speak to all people, regardless of faith.  However, it’s important to remember that while it’s perhaps unfathomable to you that someone would frame their entire life by a subjective, invisible, un-provable concept such as God, that many, many people do. 

      Now, we can stop right there and get stuck on the idea that people do that and scratch our heads, or we can consider that people like John are encouraging these people to consider a better, equitable way of framing God who, let’s face it, isn’t going to be getting ditched anytime soon. 

      • Shadsie

        “Now, we can stop right there and get stuck on the idea that people do that and scratch our heads, or we can consider that people like John are encouraging these people to consider a better, equitable way of framing God who, let’s face it, isn’t going to be getting ditched anytime soon. ” 

        THANK YOU for pointing out something that should be obvious. 

        I have something of my own to share:  I used to go to a Baptist church and was in thrall to their dogma on the matter.  People on the Internet in my early days of experiencing it who were trying to champion gay rights who told me things like I needed to “ditch Jesus” to become a full human being or that I “was not allowed to be a Christian”… Do you know what they did to me?

        They made me dig my heels in and feel more sure I was “right” to be homophobic. They pretty much confirmed the things I’d taken to heart about the darkness of the world being against the light of “truth.”

        Sound crazy?  Hate to break it to you, a lot of people in this world are nuts and condemming them as nuts and asserting your smug superiority over them is not going to cure them of their crazy.

        I began considering that the church-supported homophobia could be off/wrong when my sense of discomfort with it lead me to seeking out, online, *differing interpretations of scripture* and the testimonials of gay Christians. 

        Sometimes, fire must be fought with fire.  You may think that’s water in your firehose you wish to douse it all with, but it may just be gasoline.

    • Anonymous

      Jason: I understand that you’re new here, and don’t really know much if any of my work. So … yeah. That’s true. Feel free hang out. But don’t be a dick—and here, you certainly haven’t been—okay? Thanks. Welcome.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501162343 Jason Paul Bachand

        I’m trying to catch up and become a bit more familiar with you work, John. I strive always to attack ideas, not people, and I will endeavor to preserve that ideal here. One note – let’s not forget the double standard that praises a strident believer, but regards an equally passionate atheist as a nuisance, a killjoy, or worse. Thank you for the welcome.

        • DR

          Jason there’s not a regular participant here who values passion over substance, regardless if one is someone of faith or someone who does not believe in God.   Offer your perspective but you’ll be challenged on the merits of your ideas as well – to do so is not to suggest you’re a kill joy or a nuisance but there’s a lot that you said that is going to be countered. I’ve no interest in catering to anyone because of what they believe or what they don’t – what matters is we find a way of moving good forward and bad to the back.  In the end, the motive of *why* anyone does that is secondary to them doing it.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Rice/537301890 Barbara Rice

      Dear Jason,

      All of what you say is true. But this column, this blog, this website is built on faith, orat the least the possibility of faith. Mark Twain said, “Faith is believing in something you know ain’t so,” and so it is for believers. (Im my opinion, a believer who says they NEVER doubt is lying.)

      It’s nuts for me - a rational, educated, skeptical woman- to believe in Jesus, Jesus born of a virgin, who was crucified, died, and rose again. And yet I do. I can’t explain it by any logic. And that is the unfathonable chasm between believers (of all kinds, including the Michael Brown types).  We each sit on our side and look at the other and hope they come around to our way of thinking.

      So for those of us on this side of the chasm – we’re hoping to undo the damage done by the ones on the other side. And we hope that eventually the chasm will close.

      Best wishes to you,
      Barbara

      • E Nicholles

        I wish I could like this more than once :)

    • DR

      Why would it matter where moral reasoning comes from if it is the right moral reasoning?  In the spirit of being honest and direct, this often feels to be a very controlling kind of behavior. I realize it’s your point of view and it’s valid to express it. But I’d suggest that it reflects a kind of myopic perspective that is shared by fundamentalist christians.  I wonder why you’d believe it is productive?  

      You are absolutely entitled to believe that there are two options: Option A is there is no God and those who believe that are reasonable and trustworthy. Option B is there is no God and those who believe in any kind of God are not reasonable and not trustworthy. Thankfully you don’t have the last word on those of us who have option C. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=721446848 Donald Rappe

      Here’s a clue, “moral reasoning” is necessarily subjective. My values proceed from my faith. There is nothing empirical about my values, they are based on empathy in these kinds of case.

    • Robert

      Hi Jason…

      I think the founding fathers agreed with you which is why we do not live in a theocracy.

      The structure and form of our governmental systems is one based on rationality and common sense.  Most americans forget that the structure of this country’s governmental system was influenced more by English Common Law, the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason  than by the bible.

  • Anonymous

    Jason: I understand that you’re new here, and don’t really know much if any of my work. So … yeah. That’s true. Feel free hang out. But don’t be a dick—and here, you certainly haven’t been—okay? Thanks. Welcome.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nwbuckeye Pat Hux via Facebook

    good point. been Kathy’s posts all day….alternately with pride regarding her and Lisa, and then revulsion at the animals…

  • http://allegro63.wordpress.com/ allegro63

    I’ve long thought that ignoring bullies and blowhard attention seekers was the best way of dealing with them. Giving such people what they so crave, attention, sorta justifies (at least to them) the validity of their cause or claim. 

    With that said, I have never understood why people make appearances on radio or television shows where the host and the audience are sure to be hostile against them. To do so just makes no sense to me.

    There’ll always be folks like Michael Brown or the group from Kansas that claims to be a church, who’s views and purpose are to divide, to hate, to make it all about them, and how “right” they are. What we should do is two-fold, demonstrate quietly and determinedly the opposite of such messages, and give those who seek to spread such self seeking messages little heed.

  • Penny Visalli

    John, I TOTALLY understand what you’re saying, but….I’ve given my best shot at attempting to thoughtfully engage Michael Brown and some of his followers on the “God Has A Better Way” Facebook page.  I didn’t do it to try to talk any sense into them (it can’t be done, I know) but because I wanted any LGBTQ person who might have been silently watching to know that there are straight Christians who are loud, rabid advocates for them.  I know I can’t make a change on the hearts of Brown and his ilk, but it BEYOND breaks my heart to think that any LGBTQ person might see his FB page and not have even an inkling that there are people like Kathy and Lisa and you and me out here.

    • Diana A.

      Just like in the book “A Wrinkle in Time.”  Meg couldn’t love IT, but she could love her little brother who was under IT’s power–and by doing so, she set him free from IT.  So, too, while you may not be able to change the hearts of Brown and his ilk, you can share your love with those they are oppressing and thus, set them free from that oppression.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1210634743 Mindy Brown Carney

    Kathy is a woman I would love to meet one day.  I am in awe of her dedication and incredible compassion. 

  • Anonymous

    John–you have been a friend to me and warned me to NOT engage any further at some points and to walk away. I am doing it and I will need to learn it even faster. People with control buttons for brains will want to reign me in. More and more. To be effective and reach that middle piece that is STILL thinking, I need to direct my energies AT them. So thanks friend for the always reminder to not waste my time on those firmly camped in control and jealosy. some will, some won’t, so what—next! The blog should be up tomorrow at http://www.canyonwalkerconnections.com  This is the prelude—I have NEVER experience that much hatred while simultaneously being involved in so much healing and repair just a few feet away. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1786591523 Amelia Kilometere

      I look forward to hearing about your experience, Kathy. Thank you for all you do.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1786591523 Amelia Kilometere

      I look forward to hearing about your experience, Kathy. Thank you for all you do.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lsinbc Lisa Salazar

      And I too was encouraged by John to walk away from “Dr.” M.B. and not give him any more attention. I was going to do that until I heard his radio broadcast in which he not only misrepresented the facts, but also attacked me in the most dismissive and untruthful way possible. He goes on to recount for his listeners how heart broken he was for me when he finally spotted me at the Pride event. He claimed that he saw a “gentleman approach him who looked sad and in pain…” and states that he knew from the moment he saw me that I was a man pretending to be a woman. Then he quoted from the exchange I had with him last week (www.lsinbc.blogspot.com) and tells his audience that I destroyed my marriage of thirty seven years and failed to live up to my vows to love my wife, etc. 

      If  as he claims, his heart sank when he saw me and felt the pain I was in, I believe he had an obligation as a “man of God, a pastor, a self-professed spiritual leader” to have said that to my face in love right then and there. Maybe he is not as well versed in the Bible as he claims, or maybe he hasn’t studied what constitutes gossip and slander. To misrepresent the incident to illicit pity or reproach, and to further bolster his biases is not loving nor respectful and is extremely hypocritical and self-serving. 

      Take a look at the photograph of “Dr.” M.B. and me, just moments after we met. He is standing to me with his right arm around my shoulder—beaming a proud smile—and you know what? I don’t think he looks heart-broken at all, and I don’t look as the pathetically sad and defeated person he now claims he met. If he now feels sad, I suspect is because he knew he would never be able to ask me out. (I’m being sarcastic.) 

      This man is a persuasive and manipulative person. He is an expert at twisting facts, conversations and the meaning of words for his own aggrandizement. It really breaks my heart. The poor, poor pathetic man. But why should we be surprised by his tactics when he holds company with the likes of Lou Engles, one of the men singularly responsible for inspiring the horrible anti-gay laws being proposed in Uganda. As the saying goes, you learn a lot about a person by the company he keeps.

      But I digress. Why I have decided not to be silent about his latest attacks on me is because what he says about me he is in fact saying about all transgender persons, and this angers me. I feel protective, especially of young transgender persons who are trying to navigate a difficult life and are wondering how their lives are going to turn out. As long as the views expressed by “Dr.” M.B. go unchallenged, I fear that many could loose the will to go on. Where is the Jesus kind of love in what he says?

      P.S. The use of quotes around his title is because I cannot in good conscience call him a doctor, just as he admits in good conscience he cannot call me a woman or by my name. I suppose that’s my bitchy female side fighting back. I’m no gentleman.

  • Sarah

    just a little share…On my most tired, burnt out, beat-down, and frustrated days of loving
    Jesus and loving people, I come here. I find inspiration and hope in
    this community.  These posts lift me up, often restore my faith in
    people, and remind me why I love Jesus so much, because He has children
    such as these.  Grateful more than all of you could imagine.  Sarah

  • http://www.facebook.com/tim.conard Tim Conard via Facebook

    rabid animals don’t make the choice to be rabid.

  • Reverendmelani

    We Ignored Fred Phelps last time he brought his group to Santa Fe.  They marched around in the rain, got no attention, and then left.

  • Tralala

    I don’t know if walking away from these bullies is the answer anymore.  It almost seems that by doing so, the silence is allowing theirs to be the only voice being heard, which appears to be whipping the fringe into a frenzy.  In recent years, I’ve dealt with a psychological bullies, and I’ve found that the best thing to do is stand up for yourself.  We’ve always been taught to ignore, ignore, ignore. .but that doesn’t work.  Read the book “Take The Bully By The Horns”.  .it’s important to no longer be silent which a bully may read as a “win”.  Boy if I were Kathy, I’d be tempted to carry a paint ball gun. .splat! 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=721446848 Donald Rappe

      I’m sure ignoring a bully is not always best and frequently impossible.There was a hard to ignore bully at my three room grade school. He grew man sized before the rest of us and liked to abuse us. I and three 7′th graders and a 5′th grader who were friends decided to end it. The two largest of us each restrained one leg, two more his arms, and the smallest of us beat him mercilessly in the nuts until he cried and begged. He was released on condition that he leave us alone or we could repeat this exercise. We had no more problems with him, although I know he grew up to be a bill collector.

    • http://somaticstrength.wordpress.com/ somaticstrength

      It depends. I think these bullies function the way my bullies did in junior high – ignore them, they continue to bully. Friend them, they try to use what you tell them again you. Stand up for yourself – have them threaten to kill you. The bullying is not dependent on the response of the victim, it’s dependent on the approval of the bullies support team. I don’t know much about Michael Brown, just know folks like him, and typically I’ve found that they get their high from, after a day spent being a bully, their family and friends say, “Amen, you’re truly a man of God!” and they soak it up. The greater the opposition, the more they feel “right”, the more praise they get. The less opposition, the more they convince themselves that it’s just a fallen and depraved world and they’re one of the only true holy ones.

      • http://allegro63.wordpress.com/ allegro63

        so in other words it simply boils down to a pride thing. 

        That rush they get from the accolades from supporters, the building up of themselves to the detriment of others, the supposed confirmation that what they are doing is right, the justification of completely disrespectful behavior for the “holy and just cause”.

        I do wonder how such activities and mindsets line up to the concepts of “blessed are the merciful…” or “Though I speak with the tongues of angels”, I simply fail to see it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/echokynthei Terri Echols

      there’s another method of dealing with bullies. instead of giving THEM the attention, even negative attention, give thoughtful, respectful attention to whoever they are targeting. not in a “i’m rescuing you from the BIG BAD” way, that still validates the bully. simply engage them on some other topic of interest. 

      people who work with kids have tried this, distracting the victim with an activity-not an especially rewarding one, just something that catches their interest-and leaving the bully with no target. i’ve used it with…um…some people i know, and also in comment threads. give it a go.

  • Lori D

    John, I only recently found your blog after reading the post which contained a letter from the mother of a trans son.  I’ve recently returned to blogging about issues that matter most (especially concerning faith and gender – I’m a MtF TS woman).   This post gives me plenty of caution as I too attempt to reason with those who seek to reason.  I’ll continue to read your interesting posts and look forward to your new ones daily.  Thank you!
    Lori D. 

  • Lauri-Watkins

    I am a straight, 60ish woman who was taught by my equally straight, amazing mother to always love. This morning I read that we must pray for our enemies. I also read a Psalm that asks God to heap coals of retribution down on the heads if enemies. After all these years, I stand firmly in support of all my gay, lesbian, transgender, and straight friends. I also support my atheist, agnostic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and Christian friends. What I do not support is the use of words or violence to tear down or do harm to anyone. There is room in our world for many kinds of belief. There is no more room for hate. We are full to capacity. I am naive enough to think that ignoring rude people still works. I have no idea how to handle violence, but cannot think of sinking to that level. May God bless each of you richly this day. Let’s keep working and communicating together!

  • Dirk

    Jason, in the natural sciences – physics, chemistry, mathematics, biology and others, we acknowledge that we take many things on faith.
    Point, line, plane to name but three.
    I ‘accept’ that ‘C’ is not only a constant, but that – for the moment – it is also as fast as anything can go.

    That does not mean that I will not immediately accept other values for ‘C’ the moment competent research shows them to be better approximations of reality. If, tomorrow, someone demonstrated – and her demonstration were independently repeatably – that a line is not defined by two points, I’d accept that, too.

    This, then, is what puzzles me – as a follower of Christ and a man who has worked in the natural sciences all my adult life – how someone can claim they know there is no ‘god’.

    You are free to believe what you will, but, please – your belief that there is no god is only just that, indefensible through logic.

    As for the conservative Christians who beat, rape, torture and murder us gays, lesbians and the transgender, if there were no Christian religion, they’d do so just as willingly because the Flying Spaghetti Monster said so. Their hatred of us arises from the same source as their hatred of women, in the 19th century their desire to expand slavery of Negroes, their denial of global warming – first, they hate. Then they find a justification for their hatred.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robin-Cliver/100000033923597 Robin Cliver via Facebook

    we have a rabid animal or two or three or more in our White House.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robin-Cliver/100000033923597 Robin Cliver via Facebook

    sad part…they get fed daily.

  • Jim

    As much as we may disagree and dislike what Mr. Brown does, Jesus loves him. And we as believers should heap burning coals of love on him.  Are you comparing him to a rabid animal in a spirit of Christian love and charity?

    • Jeannie

      No, I believe he is comparing his deeds to that of what a rabid animal may do.  If one of my pets were to contract rabies, I would love them but they would still be very dangerous.  Brown and his ilk are loved by God and in need of our prayers and compassion.  But their deeds are contemptable and should be labeled and treated as such.

    • DR

      Love means telling people the truth. 

    • Dirk

      Jim, Monsters like him, vile filth and human excrement that conservative Christians are kill, rape, beat and torture gay, lesbian and transgender HUMANS in the name of their filthy, perverted idol whom they blasphemously call God.
      You are either naive or one of those filthy vile monsters.

      • Jim

        Dirk, I’m far from naive. And while I’m also far from following Jesus as closely as I’d like, the Lectionary reading last week reminds us from Paul to: 13Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers. 14Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. 15Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. 16Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly; do not claim to be wiser than you are. 17Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. 18If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. 19Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20No, “if your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads.” 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

        As Jesus reminds us, it’s easy to love people with whom we agree. It’s a bit harder to love those with whom we disagree.  

        • Dirk

          Tell you what, Jim.
          The day they stop beating, raping, torturing and murdering us – right here in the good ‘ol USofA, Iwill consider your approach.
          Until then, how dare you call yourself a Christian and just stand there and let conservative Christians beat, rape, torture and murder us gays, lesbians and the transgender.

        • Elaine Nicholles

          I get the impression you need a biblical basis to feel sure that you’re in line with God in your responses to things? I don’t feel the need to back up any response with the bible. If someone is hungry and I have food, my spirit knows the right thing to do is to share it. Even if that means going against other passages of scripture that say if someone doesn’t work they shouldn’t eat. But if the bible is the way you make decisions, to my mind it’s supportive of John and others with similar views.
          Jesus was angry at the teachers of the law for putting heavy weights on people and not lifting a finger to help them carry the weight of them. He called them a brood of vipers. I’m not sure I’d like to be called that any more than a rabid dog. He had no time for them and he made that perfectly clear. They were spouting scriptures that tie people up in knots just like the people we’re talking about here.It’s all to do with context. Yes, Jesus says we must forgive, yet if someone discloses that they had been sexually exploited in some way, I wouldn’t be telling them to forgive. I’d be calling the police so that justice could be served and other victims and potential could be spared more abuse. I’d be reassuring him or her that they are innocent, loved, and that God had no part in it. It wouldn’t be the time or place to talk about forgiveness or loving the abuser. That time will come but usually a long way down the line.People are crushed in soul and spirit in the name of God. Anger is at least one of the correct responses.
          Peace.

        • DR

          how about instead of quoting Scripture Jim, you tell us what you’re doing to shut down the Christians who are hurting the GLBT community in the name of Jesus.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Whitt/671548209 Don Whitt via Facebook

    @Robin, is that a shot at the Obama’s?

  • Anne Young via Facebook

    First thing I’m gonna do when we get power is catch up on your posts!! (oh, and do laundry.)

  • http://allegro63.wordpress.com/ allegro63

    Here’s a thought.  Apparently Mr. Brown followed Ms. Blalock around for hours and said things that were anything but kind to her.  I do wonder, if someone had done that to Mr. Brown, how quickly he would have cried foul and would have sued for harassment or slander, called the cops on the person in question, or had gone on the offensive and either verbally or physically retaliated? 

    I don’t think Ms. Blalock did that, which just ups my respect for her immensely 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-J-Martin/1836679282 David J. Martin via Facebook

    Why do all these “Christian” street preachers feel they can denigrate another human person in the name of “saving” or “guiding” them from sin…supposedly spreading the Word of Christ…the gospel…in which Jesus never condemned any one nor judged another person…but showed only love, compassion and mercy ? Are they so wrapped up in their self hate…because they are insecure in their sexuality…that they to destroy in others what they loathe about themselves ? They are the ones who need prayers, my friends.

  • Robert

    Hi…

    Why are christians so focused on gay sex and they say nothing about banks… below are 4 quotes from the bible regarding usury. If christians were really interested following gods law… then they world be going after bankers, the credit card companies and pay day-check cashing institutions with as much gusto as they go after gays. But I don’t think I have heard one preacher condeming Band of America or Mastercard.

    Or is it possible that no christian group actually follows the bible literally…  Hippocrates

    and here are the quotes… they seem to be pretty clear on the topic:
     
    [Exodus 22:25] If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.

    [Leviticus 25:36] Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.

    [Leviticus 25:37] Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.

    [Deuteronomy 23:19] Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:

    • http://allegro63.wordpress.com/ allegro63

      Actually there are some loosely faith based groups that discuss finances and the cycle of debt that can be quite detrimental to one’s budget. They focus on personal financial responsibility

      I would like to point out however that all those references you are using are Old Testament quotes. Many believe that the Mosaic law was for a certain people in a certain time frame. As most Christians don’t abide by the Mosaic law, such verses aren’t exactly relevant for most in today’s economy

      Lending money is not necessarily a bad thing, neither is borrowing, neither is charging interest for a mortgage,or obtaining interest from a CD or retirement account. While there are certainly abuses in the practices, it often makes sense on several levels. Banks or credit card companies aren’t evil, they simply provide means to make financial transactions in a variety of ways. Do people make poor financial decisions using these methods? Sure they do. Are some financial institutions more prone to make steeper terms for services then others? Of course they do. Do you or I have to use financial institutions? No we don’t.

      But that is getting completely off the topic at hand. The real topic here is respect, and the fact that bullying is not respectful and should’n’t be a part of Christian practice.

    • http://ihopetomorrowisbetter.blogspot.com/ Molly Bandit

      The UCC recently made a formal motion in the General Synod (their church-wide national meeting) addressing  just this. 

      Here’s a copy of the resolution they made:
      http://www.ucc.org/synod/resolutions/gs28/Resolution-on-Banking-Practices.pdf

    • buzz

      “Why are christians so focused on gay sex and they say nothing about banks…”

      They aren’t making money off of homosexuals.

  • Anonymous

    Wow-killer ending.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=749085077 Emily Topp Born

    Mr. Brown’s logic is inconsistent. If we should not “change what God has made”, then why do I shave my legs? Wear makeup? Why does he wear glasses and trim his mustache? 

    And furthermore, why is OK to try and “change what God has made” when it comes to homosexuality? Why the effort to “cure” people of it?

  • Gretchen

    My family comes from a long line of equality for all, and also are some of the most God-fearing people I have ever known. I remember my dad telling me when he was in high school in 1953, that he flunked a paper because he was talking about that all people in China couldn’t be bad and agnostic because there were so many of them.
    My point is, every generation has something, and it started out with things that were more external, like slavery, then it was votes for women, Germans, Chinese, Russians, women’s and racial rights. But then the shift came. They were things that were more internal. Mental illness, gay, now, in the case of my family, transgender.  ALL of these at some point or another have had people thinking that the people under these categories were going to hell.
    Who is right? Maybe it’s the person with the heart that is filled with Jesus. I think, and I know this has been said, we need to examine our hearts. And, as St. Francis of Assisi so poignantly said…”Preach the Gospel at all times. And if necessary, use words.”
    I have so much more to say on this, but I’ll shut up now. I have to go back to work. :D

  • Reed

    Hmmm . . . is this Dr. (of languages) Michael L. Brown?  Ol’ Doc Brown (as I call him)?  Author of “A Queer Thing Happened to America?”  Believer in “the homosexualist agenda” conspiracy?  When did he drop the pretentious “Doctor” part?  And that middle initial?  I adore Kathy Baldock – and Ol’ Doc Brown has targeted her ever since her chapter-by-chapter review of his dreck-tome “A Queer Thing . . . (etc.)” 

  • http://www.canyonwalkerconnections.com Kathy Baldock

    here is the link to the blog and part one of my account of Pride Charlotte–the God Has a Better Way part–tomorrow, the street preacher, yucky, awful people.

    http://canyonwalkerconnections.com/2011/08/31/god-has-a-better-way-dont-stand-in-the-path-of-it/


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