An interview with Ms. “I APoLogiZe for these Christians”

Photo by Shauna Bittle, Evergreen Photo Services 2012

(Yesterday I received a short thank-you note from Chloe Bradley, the young woman who held up the sign in “I APoLogiZe for these Christians.” I told Chloe I’d love to interview her; she kindly acquiesced. Here’s the result.)

Me: So, Chloe, how does it feel being an international superstar as a result of being on my blog?

Chloe: Um. I’d have to say I don’t know.

Me: Aren’t you really famous now, from being on my blog?

Chloe: I don’t think so. No.

Me: Oh. Well, you might want to invest in some huge sunglasses and a big floppy hat. But moving on. Tell us about your day before you ended up barefoot, hugged, and holding high a sign apologizing for obnoxious Christians.

Chloe: It was a rather unusual day for Olympia, WA, where I attend Evergreen college—

Me: Unusual because of all the tension in the air caused by the invasion of your campus by radical Christian fundamentalists?

Chloe: Unusual because it was so sunny and warm; everybody was in a really good mood.

Me: Ah. I see. Please continue.

Chloe: That day I went to class from ten to noon, and then went to the library on my lunch break. I got a new bus sticker for my ID card, printed out some articles for class, and then headed out to Red Square (where the picture was taken) to read in the sunshine for a bit.

Me: When did you first become aware that your campus had been invaded by radical Christian fundamentalists?

Chloe: Around 12:30 the Greeners around me started getting noisy, and I looked up from my book, Best American Travel Writing 2011.

Me: Superb reading choice! What did you see?

Chloe: Men standing with hateful Christian signs in the middle of Red Square.

Me: Were you immediately terrified by the storm of chaotic turmoil clearly about to unleash itself upon your idyllic college life?

Chloe: Well, no. But I was annoyed, mainly because I knew the students around me were going to get angry and start yelling, which would make it difficult for me to focus on my reading. And, of course, I disliked the hateful messages on the signs the men were holding, but I know better than to try and talk them out of it.

Me: What would be your guess as to how many were in this marauding band of religious zealots?

Chloe: Two. There were two of them.

Me: Oh. That’s not really so much a band, as it is … a duo. I don’t suppose you happened to catch the names of … Spin and Tell ‘er?

Chloe: I didn’t. I know the Internet has affectionately dubbed them Mose and Neckbeard, among other things.

Me: Did you catch the name I used for the one guy? Grimly Quakerstein? Huh? Grimly Quakerstein? Totally funny, right?

Chloe: Not so much for me, actually. I have a really close friend who’s a Quaker.

Me: Oh. Sorry. At the time I was just thinking of the Quaker Oats guy.

Chloe: Why?

Me: Because of his beard.

Chloe: Does the Quaker Oats guy have a beard?

Me: Doesn’t he have one of those Amish beards?

Chloe: I don’t think so.

Me: So you didn’t know the names of the two guys.

Chloe: I didn’t. On Monday, when this happened, I was thinking of them as Suspenders and Shorty.

Me: No way! That is too funny. Did you know anything about the two guys, or where they came from?

Chloe: They tended to shy away from question about what church they came from, but eventually they admitted to attending a Mennonite church in Rochester, WA (about a half hour drive from Olympia).

Me: Mennonite Oats! “For when Quaker Oats are just too improvident.

Chloe: What?

Me: Nothing. Sorry. So the two guys were from Rochester.

Chloe: Right. Well, Evergreen is known for being a radical hippie school, so a lot of students assumed that our school had been targeted. But Suspenders and his cohort were actually headed to St. Martin’s, a nearby Catholic university. Unfortunately for them, St. Martin’s was closed for Easter. So they ended up coming to Evergreen.

Me: They had intended to go to a different school? But that school was closed—so instead they came to your school? Do you think they were just, like, “Oh, darn. We’ve got our signs and everything. Is there another college anywhere around here we can go to and stand around with our signs?”

Chloe: I guess so!

Me: So what did you do when you realized that your school had become the target of … two disappointed guys with giant signs?

Chloe: My fellow Greeners started getting angry at them, understandably so, and several students started yelling at these men to get off of our campus. Someone went so far as to throw an apple core at their sign.

Me: Pretty extreme! What did you do next?

Chloe: At this point I was starting to get antsy. I wanted to get some poster-board, but I didn’t want to pack up all my stuff and run to the bookstore, because that seemed like a huge hassle.

Me: College bookstores are a hassle. Plus they always make me feel stupid. And broke.

Chloe: But then a friend came over, so I asked her to watch my bag, and I ran to the Evergreen bookstore, where I got poster-board and a Sharpie paint pen.

Me: Good job! It’s so good to have friends. I wish I had some. How much did the poster-board and stuff cost you?

Chloe: About eight bucks.

Me: Really? For some poster-board and a pen? Pffft. College bookstores. Then what did you do?

Chloe: I ran back outside. I was itching to get my sign made. At this point I was still thinking that I could sit in front of them and hold my sign, while reading my assigned reading. I was planning to go to class half an hour later; the time crunch was making me pretty anxious. So I scribbled out my poster as quickly as possible. I was inspired by the pictures I’ve seen before of Christians at gay pride events, holding signs that apologize for the way the church has treated homosexuals. [Hey!] I got my apology down, and wrote “Jesus preached LOVE” on the back, and then gathered up my stuff and went to sit in front of the two men.

Me: What happened next?

Chloe: I think initially they thought that I was joining them. Once they read my sign, though, they asked why I felt the need to apologize for them, and if I considered myself a Christian. Seminars at Evergreen have taught me how to respectfully disagree with someone else’s opinion, and I think my responses to them confused them. Occasionally one of them would come over with his Bible and read me a verse. Once I realized how bigoted these men really were, and once I started getting such positive reactions from the people passing by, I felt like I needed to stay out there: that it was my responsibility to my fellow students to stand my ground. I ended up skipping my afternoon class, which I knew would be okay with my professor.

Me: College is so fantastic. I should never have dropped out.

Chloe: You dropped out of college?

Me: What? No. I don’t know. So how long were you out there with Suspenders and Shorty?

Chloe: I was there from beginning to end. I didn’t leave until they did. All in all, it was about five hours.

Me: Was this a major, traumatic, life-altering event for you?

Chloe: Um … no. My shoulders did get sore from holding the sign above my head from so long. And I got a bit of a sunburn on my hand. Thank goodness I was wearing a turtleneck, or it could have been a lot worse.

Me: Another turtleneck saves the day. So tell me, did any other spontaneous acts of social protest break out around this considerably cacophonous culture clash?

Chloe: There was a group of people who lined up behind the two guys and started saying “ohhhmmmm” over and over again, as loudly as they could.

Me: “Ohhhmmmm”? Like when people do yoga meditation?

Chloe: Yes. But louder.

Me: Cool! Intimidation through meditation. I really think that was Maharishi Mahesh’s plan all along.

Chloe: One guy stripped down naked and just sat in front of them.

Me: Excuse me?

Chloe: A guy took off all his clothes and sat down in front of the two guys.

Me: But … why?

Chloe: I don’t know.

Me: What was he protesting against? Clothes? People not often enough seeing his kadoinker?

Chloe: I’m not really sure what he was protesting against. Everything, probably. Or, as a Greener, he was just looking for an excuse to get naked in public. I think everyone just wanted to mess with Suspenders and Shorty, make them feel as unwelcome and uncomfortable as possible.

Me: That would certainly get me to leave. How long was Mr. Naked Juice out there?

Chloe: He only lasted for about a minute before he was asked by a college official to put his clothes back on.

Me: Seems like a reasonable request. So, did you actually engage with Suspenders and Shorty? What did you guys say to each other?

Chloe: Suspenders was definitely displeased with my display; I could tell it was difficult for him to be polite to me. Shorty was much friendlier—I could tell he was actually trying to understand why I was doing what I was doing. There were actually quite a few Greeners who came up and talked, argued, and yelled at Suspenders and Shorty. Shorty’s respectful approach definitely won some points, whereas Suspenders was nothing but judgments, and very difficult to talk to.

Me: How did the thing finally resolve? Why/when did it all break up?

Chloe: It broke up around five. Red Square has way less foot traffic around then, since by then most students are on their way home. This was when Suspenders and Shorty started rolling up their signs.

Me: And that was about it?

Chloe: Pretty much. My roommate showed up at the very end with her three-year-old child with her, and Suspenders immediately jumped on the opportunity to preach to someone a bit more receptive.

Me: You’re kidding.

Chloe: I’m not. He gave the kid a King James Bible, and showed her pictures of his own daughters to win her over.

Me: Suspenders is a father?

Chloe: He is.

Me: Mennonites!

Chloe: What?

Me: You know. Like how Seinfeld says “Newman!”

Chloe: Oh. Right.

Me: For the record, I’m not anti-Mennonite, or anything. Some of my best friends really are Mennonites.

Chloe: Cool.

Me: So how’d it all wrap up?

Chloe: Eventually the two guys left, and I returned home with my roommate and kid. The kid opened up her Bible, turned it around a few times, delighted over the fact that there were maps in the back, and then put it in her big toy box and promptly forgot about it. I mean, who gives a three-year-old a King James Bible?

Me: Right? Not exactly a tub of Play-Doh. Thought it kind of is, isn’t it? Anyway, was it worth it? The sign? The eight dollars? The flying apple core? The shoulder aches? The sunburned hand? Having to look at Buffy the Mennonite Slayer? Was it all worth it?

Chloe: Well, honestly, Evergreen is my home, and Christianity is part of my identity. For these strangers to come to my campus and misrepresent my faith . . . that makes my life difficult. It makes me look bad. It’s hard enough to be a Christian on this campus without people like them condemning my classmates to hell. I couldn’t let them misrepresent Christianity to my peers and my friends without having a say in the conversation.

Me: That really is beautiful. We’ve had some fun here, but, honestly, what you did that day is really special. Thank you for what you did that day. Peace is the way, and you’ve shined some light on that often dark path. Some Christian light! Which, I know, isn’t always the most comfortable brand of flashlight to use.

Chloe: Until I went away to college, I went to church every single Sunday. I was raised in a Christian home, and until I got to college, I had no doubts about my identity as a Christian. In the bizarre bubble of Evergreen, however, labels are often questioned or shunned, and I’ve learned not to call myself a Christian here. I tell those who ask that I am a follower of Christ, and therefore I believe in love above all else, and that’s as simple as I can make it. That’s also all I know, because I’m a young college student who is still figuring out how the world works. I figured I’d start with love, and see what else there is besides that.

Me: You rock so hard you make diamonds feel like Milk Duds.

About John Shore

John Shore (who, fwiw, is straight) is the author of UNFAIR: Christians and the LGBT Question, and three other great books. He is founder of Unfundamentalist Christians (on Facebook here), and executive editor of the Unfundamentalist Christians group blog.  (In total John's two blogs receive some 250,000 views per month.) John is also co-founder of The NALT Christians Project, which was written about by TIME,  The Washington Post, and others. His website is JohnShore.com. You're invited to like John's Facebook page. Don't forget to sign up for his mucho-awesome newsletter. If you shop at Amazon, help support John by entering the site through this link right here--Amazon will then send John 3-4% of the cost of anything you buy before exiting the site again.

 

  • Vanda Law via Facebook

    It’s hard to comment when I am keeled over my keyboard laughing so hard, I’m calling out to God.

  • Gemmie McFiddle via Facebook

    Ah! That last paragraph! She articulated my feelings perfectly :)

  • http://www.nightwares.com/ Warren

    I had always been under the impression that Mennonites were a bit more insular, not likely the kinds to go out into the secular world and aggressively condemn others. Sort of like the Amish, I guess. Shows what I know.

    • Lymis

      Well, to be fair, we have absolutely no idea how their fellow Mennonites feel about them. Especially given that there were just the two of them, it’s entirely possible that their neighbors would be mortified. Or that these two have always been dicks and were politely asked to take it somewhere else. Like “Why do you always have to be such jerks around here? Why don’t you go bother the Catholics in Olympia or something?”

      • Susan in NY

        The Mennonite people I know pretty much always keep their clothes on in public.

      • Allie

        I was wondering about that too. The Mennonites I know seem to have a philosophy of letting people ask before they talk about their religion, and advertising it by their way of living. Mostly around here they sell homemade bread and honey. These two seem really atypical for Mennonites.

  • Mindi

    That was simply beautiful. <3

  • Leslie Marbach

    Chloe is even cooler than I thought!

  • Warren Ockrassa via Facebook

    Interesting. I wouldn’t have thought Mennonites would be protesting at either Catholic or secular colleges. I’d always thought of them as a bit like the Amish, living in insular, more or less closed communities.

    • Andrea Claassen

      There are many different brands of Mennonites, Warren. Some preserve the old ways much like the Amish, but there are very modern congregations and many more congregations that fall somewhere in between.

  • Liza Chigos via Facebook

    Excellent interview! I know her mom is proud; but I hope everyone who knows her is proud to know her. And I love your last line John, true words! <3

  • Jason

    I’m seeing more bravery – or maybe it’s intestinal fortitude – standing in front of Naky McNakerton flaunting his pickle patch than going toe to toe with the Deity Duo. Either way, great job by Ms. Bradley, both in standing up for her beliefs and also in doing so with respect and dignity (and clothes).

    • Laura Bradley

      Ding ding ding! We have a comment of the week…

  • Vanda Law via Facebook

    Also Cloe is an amazing girl.

  • Jason Holden Tucker via Facebook

    Chloe is absolutely amazing!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jennifer-Edwards/1196313106 Jennifer Edwards via Facebook

    “You rock so hard you make diamonds feel like Milk Duds” – what a great way of putting it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cadie-Edwards-Blalock/100002249025569 Cadie Edwards Blalock via Facebook

    Amazing!

  • Jackie Weiss via Facebook

    Really like this!

  • Jeremy

    I don’t know if I’m more impressed with her courage and persistance or by her deft handling of John’s goofy questions. ;)

    Great job, Chloe!

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

      Yeah, Chloe! Way to

      wait.

      • Kathy C.

        Hahahahahaha!!! Gotcha, friend! :) :) :)

  • Kathy C.

    What a delight, to hear more about/from this exceptional young woman. Chloe, you are awesome and amazing! I love your quiet courage, how grounded and confident you are, and your willingness to step up and stand up for your beliefs. *You* are what I hope for in the future of Christianity in this country; stay with us, and we’ll be in good (if slightly sunburned) hands!

  • Valerie

    Such a poised young lady and as I said before I hope my children have that much integrity and courage. Way to go Chloe! I giggled at the questions too John. Sorry. :)

  • Teresa Cardoni via Facebook

    This was awesome. Please go see Blue Like Jazz this weekend. Liberal college, Christ-followers… good stuff!

  • http://www.barnmaven.com Barnmaven

    (insert sly, incidious voice-over here): CHLOE….WALK INTO THE LIGHT…cross the mountains….come to the East side. WE HAVE SUNLIGHT HERE ALMOST EVERY DAY!

    It only rains every day on the Wet side of Washington state.

    • http://www.enesvy.com Nicole

      Yes, Eastern WA rocketh. :)

  • http://www.sparrowmilk.blogspot.com Shadsie

    I rather like that the initial inspiration for this was “Arrrrgh! Shut up, I’m trying to READ!”

    A lesser person (like me) might have just “left the crazy alone” to go to my car or a park or something to do my studying.

    In other words: You go, girl!

  • Michael Davis

    Thank you do much Chloe. And John, this was one of your funniest pieces yet. Thank you too. :-)

  • erika

    i peed my pants reading this.

    JOHN, i think you should go beg for a job on the DAILY SHOW. you would be HIIGH-LARR

  • Marie

    Yes Liza, the other people who know her are proud too! I taught Chloe long ago and I’m pretty sure she picked up all her great qualities from me. (Or learned strength from having to endure me.)

    • Chloe Bradley

      Strength from enduring your husband, maybe… :) Just kidding. I’m pretty sure I decided to be different and awesome that day in elementary school, when I went to a band meeting wanting to play flute, and you convinced me to try trombone, and I never turned back. :) You instilled me with a desire to stand out!

      • Laura Bradley

        I remember that band meeting! And I remember Marie playing “Amazing Grace” on the trombone… the flute didn’t stand a chance after that, right, Chloe?

        • Marie

          So glad I chose that song – love you guys!

      • Marie

        Aww! (Re: my husband, I am married to him. Imagine how strong I am.)

      • http://www.enesvy.com Nicole

        Go, Geoducks, go! :) Nice work, Chloe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elizabeth.chase Elizabeth Carlton Chase via Facebook

    This is SO AWESOME, in the most literal sense of that overused phrase! <3

  • Gordon

    H-I-LARIOUS, John Shore. I hope this interview and writing it was as much fun as reading it was. Chloe is a great kid.

  • Ashley Lynn Brown via Facebook

    Awesome story!

  • Allie

    How come it’s always the funny-looking people who take their clothes off in public?

    Great interview, Chloe sounds like a great gal. What I take away from this is that you may be called upon to do something important on the most ordinary-seeming of days.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

      Well, you know what they say: “Those who most want to be seen naked are those who should most keep their clothes on.” My grandmother used to have that stitched into a pillow. God, she was scary.

    • Melody

      I thought it was funny, but even funnier that the guy wasn’t arrested or anything, but simply asked to put his clothes back on. Trippy in a hilarious way.

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

        That’s the part I liked, too! Where else but at college–and a pretty seriously liberal college, too—can you actually strip naked, go outside, sit in a public square, and then get asked if you’d put your clothes back on? I love it.

  • Will

    Mennonite Oats! “For when Quaker Oats are just too improvident.”

    If I could stitch I’d stitch that on a pillow! :D

    For the record, I’m not anti-Mennonite BUT where are all the Womannites?

  • Molly Arbogast

    I am so overwhelmingly proud to call this amazing young woman my niece. Chloe, you are an inspiration! Thank you for revealing to me a Christianity that I would willingly embrace were I to become Christian. I love you to pieces.

    And John, thanks for this blog. I’ll be following you because you’ve helped me understand my family better than I ever have before.

    • Laura Bradley

      Yay. Love you, Sis.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Burgess999 Yvonne Burgess via Facebook

    kadoinker?

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

      Say it three times and … you’ll get arrested.

  • DR

    I laughed.

  • Mindy

    Love, love, LOVE this, all of it. And the comments, and the comments to the comments. Happiness and light. I needed a smile and John and Chloe gave me a grin!!

  • http://Flamidwyfe.wordpress.com Sandi

    Chloe, you are an amazing young woman… Peace and love, the way to show God’s true grace!

  • http://www.facebook.com/YouHaveHeardItSaid You Have Heard It Said via Facebook

    The naked dude may have been enacting the “nakedness dispels violence and hateful situations” idea put forth by Shane Claiborne in Jesus For President. It’s one of his suggestions for removing the power or sway held by a destructive demonstration of force or unlove… An interesting idea. He talks about Francis of Assisi being a naked dude (kadoinker and all).

  • Ben P

    Thank you Chloe, you are true inspiration. And John…you are ridiculous. (In a funny/good way of course)

  • http://kellythinkstoomuch.wordpress.com KellyK

    Chloe is awesome.

    Also, I meant to give you crap about the Quaker thing too, so I’m glad she mentioned it. (But I did think the Quaker Oats guy had a beard too.)

  • Sandi JJ

    Chloe, I am so proud of you not just for this particular event but for what it represents of the bigger picture of Christianity. I know that you are aware that as the hands and feet of Jesus, that we as a body are called to spread the words of Jesus and you had the priviledge to be an evangilist and to diciple the love our God gives us freely. Praise be to God and thank you Chloe for reminding others “OUR GODS’ NOT DEAD HE IS ALWAYS ALIVE.” Be well my young sister in Christ. You are a remarkable woman already. I can’t wait to see you when you have reached you maximum potential, you will make a difference in this world, you already did.

  • Girl in the Green Sweater

    Update: I saw my friends with the signs again! I was downtown with my boyfriend and roommate, and I was so excited to see them! They recognized me and we chatted a bit– I hope to see them again soon.

    • Laura Bradley

      Only you, Girl in the Green Sweater, would want to see and talk with them again. More power to you!


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