Bloodshed in the name of God

Terry Jones has finally done in Afghanistan what he has been unable to do here — cause bloodshed in the streets. The New York Times is reporting that thousands of angry protesters took to the streets in Afghanistan. Riled by the actions of Terry Jones, they overran the compound at the United Nations and killed at least a dozen people — eight of them U.N. staff workers. One witness said the peacekeepers were hunted down by the violent mob.

Calling Terry Jones a pastor is akin to calling Snooki a scholar. I’m loathe to call Jones a pastor because I believe  it’s a bastardization of that beloved role. I don’t consider Jones a pastor, nor do I consider his Florida-based Dove Outreach Center a church.  Again it’s a corruption, designed to denigrate what a real church represents.

Words matter, people.

A lot.

Especially when they are considered holy, as is the Koran that Terry and his vigilantes set aflame this week, as they promised they would, aka Hitler-style.

Terry Jones and his lackeys have the blood of innocent people on their hands.

And so do we. Because we have created this culture that sells the lie that says, ” God is my judge, not you.”

Oh. Golly. How many times do I have to beat this drum?

It is such a lie.

We don’t just answer to God. We answer to each other — one way or another.

Terry Jones has convinced himself and his devotees that the only allegiance they have is to God. They live, and let others die by that notion.

That is not the message of Christ. Just as I suspect the revenge killings that took place today are not supported by the holy words of the Koran.

It’s idealistic to think you can separate church and state, in this day and age, when much of our foreign policy requires dealing with nations who make no such distinctions.

Muslims take their faith far more seriously than we do. It’s not a way of life — it is their life.

We cannot close our eyes to the fact that our faith matters, more now than ever. And in ways we may never have imagined.

Whenever a nation tries to cater to individual rights over the common good, you can be sure there will be violence in the streets somewhere.

Terry Jones has gotten exactly what he hoped for — bloodshed in the name of God.

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  • Ken

    I agree with the sentiments, however this was done by Terry Jones of a Dove World Outreach Church in Florida. The WestBoro Baptist Church is run by Fred Phelps in Topeka.

    • Karen Spears Zacharias

      Oh, you are so right. Guess in my subconscious they are two sides of the same bad penny.

      • Ken

        I agree. Easy to conflate the two.

  • I really hope that someone, somewhere, finds a way to hold this man criminally liable. He was told, in no uncertain terms, that his actions would produce this effect, yet he did it anyway.

    Make no mistake about it. The blood of those UN workers is on his hands. And he has made every US service person in the world less safe. Back in the day, they called that something….

    • Alison

      This might not be “back in the day”, but I would call it (something unprintable). I believe a more polite term for such action is “fighting words” or maybe “hate speech”. As you rightly point out, cm1165, he was repeatedly warned, yet he did it, effectively telling those who were warning him to “eff off”.

      While I’m a firm believer in free speech and Voltaire’s rule (I might not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it); on this one, the words of Voltaire don’t apply. He had no right to do that, especially since he was fully cognizant of the consequences–now let him face the consequences.

      • Karen Spears Zacharias

        Extremism taints everything — including free speech.

      • I am as close as you can get to being an absolutest on First Amendment issues, but in a civil society we have to have some lines. As Justice Holmes pointed out, you can’t cry fire in a crowded theater, namely because there is an expectation in that situation that there will be bodily harm.

        Jones can say all he want, and as disgusting as I may find it, I will defend it. However, when speech becomes action and action that is intended to be provocative and inflammatory, then there needs to be accountability.

        The right to speech comes with the responsibility to accept consequences.

  • Al

    Free speech does not include the right to yell “Fire” in a crowded theater any more than it entails a right to Set fire to Korans in a Muslim Nation.
    To think that can be done with impunity is a thought process equal to the Megalomania of Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Osama etc.

    • Karen Spears Zacharias

      Exactly what I was saying…sorta

    • BD

      just saying…. didn’t he burn it in Florida? When did we become a Muslim nation?

      • Karen Spears Zacharias

        Yes, he burned it in Florida.

        I don’t understand your second remark.


        • Guy

          In September of ’10, Terry Jones threatened to burn the koran on September 11. But he was dissuaded by religious and political leaders. This even included a call by Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates.

          Regardless if that this atrocity was not carried out in Florida, the recent burning is just as heinous. Terry Jones DOES need to be held accountable. He HAD to know the backlash that would arise from performing such a dispicable act.

          • Karen Spears Zacharias

            Still not sure I understand but I think what you are saying is that it doesn’t matter that this was in Florida, it should never have happened in this country — on that point I agree. It had nothing to do with what state it took place in.
            Such atrocities can happen in any state. It’s up to us, as citizens, to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

  • John in PDX

    Wait this just in – I hope it was an April Fools Joke. Snooki is a scholar according to Rutgers.

    “Jersey Shore” hairspray junkie Nicole “Snooki” Polizzi proved that in the Garden State, it’s better to be a drunken guidette than a Nobel Prize winner when she was paid $32,000 Thursday to speak at Rutgers University — $2,000 more than acclaimed writer Toni Morrison will get for this year’s commencement address.
    New York Post

    Terry Jones is a very immoral man in my mind on many levels. But if someone was to burn a bible would you feel compelled to kill a fellow man? I think the other extremists are no better than Terry Jones.
    Do you blame the earthquakes in Haiti and Japan on God’s wrath against what you don’t believe in?

    • Karen Spears Zacharias

      I rarely feel compelled to kill anyone, thankfully.
      And yes, I agree Terry Jones is just the flip side of the same coin as the extremists who killed the UN workers. However, he carries the greater burden — first of all because he claims he’s acting as God’s spokesman, and secondly because had he not burned the Koran, those UN workers would not have been killed.
      RE: Snooki.
      Whole different topic but shame on Rutgers student body. It’s pitiful that an academic institution of any stature would feel compelled to add to the idolatry of the inarticulate and foul-mouthed.

  • John in PDX

    Just a follow up.$32.000.appearance

  • Sue

    Karen, I agree with everything you said here. Our actions and words do indeed have varying degrees of impact on others – for good and bad. When I raised my now grown son I always told him that none of us is an island, we don’t live unto ourselves and what we do can and does affect everyone.
    What this so called pastor did is vile to the extreme and in no way Christ-like. Everybody wants their own way with no concern for the fallout it may cause. Sometimes I think this whole world is out of control. God help us all.
    Still loving your blog!

    • Karen Spears Zacharias

      Thanks, girl.

  • How tragic and utterly irresponsible. I have a dear friend who is a missionary in a Muslim nation working on issues of human trafficking. She works so hard to develop relationships built on trust and mutual respect. She shared recently how Jones’ actions were hurting her ministry and the ministry of others who are seeking to love like Jesus among our Muslim brothers and sisters.