Completed List of Anti-Abortion Arguments

I was raised anti-abortion, but became pro-choice as a young adult. Based on this transformation, I decided it would be interesting to collect together all of the arguments against abortion that I could find and post them for discussion. Therefore, with the help of my commenters, I have put together the following list. You can also find this list on the page I’ve created and listed under my projects tab.

(Feel free to comment on the way I categorized the arguments or arguments I missed, but I’ve put some work into boiling this down into specific points and I’d rather not redo the whole thing.)

I’m going to post each of these arguments individually in the coming weeks and open the floor for discussion and refutation. After a week I will close the comments sections on each post, and will choose the comments I consider clearest and most interesting and add them to the end of the OP (with full credit, of course).

1. A zygote/embryo/fetus is a person

2. Abortion is murder

3. Abortion is cruel

4. Shouldn’t we err on the safe side?

5. No abortion after fetal viability

6. The Bible condemns abortion

7. Abortion is bad for women’s physical and mental health

8. The abortion industry preys on women

9. Women are coerced into having abortions 

10. Abortion makes it harder for women to say “no” to sex

11. Abortion devalues women and motherhood

12. Dead fetuses are put in various medical and consumer products

13. Shouldn’t the father get a choice?

14. Abortion allows people to avoid responsibility

15. People will use abortion as birth control

16. Lots of childless couples would love to adopt

17. Abortion is sexist

18. Abortion is racist

19. Abortion is ableist

20. Abortion leads to the commodification of humanity

21. Elective abortion ends society’s responsibility for children

22. Abortion provides the illusion of choice

23. The consciousness and dependency slippery slope

24. A future like ours

25. Shouldn’t we be hesitant about ending any form of life?

26. Why does this matter?

About Libby Anne

Libby Anne grew up in a large evangelical homeschool family highly involved in the Christian Right. College turned her world upside down, and she is today an atheist, a feminist, and a progressive. She blogs about leaving religion, her experience with the Christian Patriarchy and Quiverfull movements, the detrimental effects of the "purity culture," the contradictions of conservative politics, and the importance of feminism.

  • http://politicsproseotherthings.blogspot.com/ Nathaniel

    1. Irrelevant
    2. Not its not.
    3. But forcing a woman to be pregnant against her will isn’t?
    4. We already do. We let the woman decide. That’s safest.
    5.Congrats, you’re condemning something that’s already illegal.
    6. As it does mixed fibers and boiling a baby goat in its mother’s milk
    7. (Citation needed)
    8. ….Seriously?
    9. People are coerced into many things. We make the coercion illegal, not the activity.
    10. …What?
    11. In the words of Spock, I find your point…illogical.
    12. Fu***** Snopes, how does it work?
    13. Call me when the father can decide to carry the fetus in lieu of the woman.
    14. Au contraire. Abortion is taking responsibility.
    15. Abortion is birth control. It controls if birth happens. QED, it is birth control.
    16. There are millions of unadopted children in the U.S. alone. The fact that people will take babies from China before such ones from America tells us a lot.
    17. Ah. Yes. I’m quite sure that your desire to force women to be pregnant is out of deep feminist concern.
    18. Look in the mirror, bub.
    19. When you find a so called “pro-life” organization that is willing to foot the hundreds of thousands of dollars and constant care it can take to care for one congenitally handicapped child, let me know.
    20. You know what leads to a commodification of humanity? When women can be forced to become incubators without their consent.
    21. ???
    22. I give this one a A- for originality and D- for coherence.
    23. Can’t evaluate this incomplete thought.
    24. Ditto.
    25. Do you eat hamburger? Swat mosquitoes? Taken chemo?
    26. Because its an issue that can potentially affect every single man and woman on Earth, either personally or someone they know.

  • Judy L.

    1. It’s a person
    Irrelevant. But sure, why not? A fetus is a person, but no person has the right to live inside another person’s body without that person’s ongoing consent.
    2. It’s murder
    Murder has a special and specific moral and legal definition. Abortion does not meet that definition (it’s neither unlawful nor performed with malice).
    3. It’s cruel
    Again, the motivation that a woman has for aborting her fetus does not meet the definition of cruel (sadistic intent or sadistic disregard). If the person performing the abortion is cruel and intentionally inflicts pain and harm on the woman, then the action of the abortionist is the cruelty. Abortion is not a conscious agent capable of being cruel.
    4. Shouldn’t we err on the safe side?
    The safe side of what? Abortion is among the safest medical procedures performed on women, and abortion is safer than pregnancy or childbirth.
    5. No abortion after fetal viability
    Viability is not a fixed measure and is dependent on medical interventions. Also, banning abortion after a certain point means enforced pregnancy and childbirth after a certain point. (The only women who have third trimester abortions where their fetus is healthy are women who have been prevented by circumstance or by force from having the abortion in the first or second trimester. These are generally poor and marginalized women, often abused by their male partners.)
    6. The Bible condemns abortion
    The Bible condemns a lot of things, but nowhere does it proscribe abortion.
    7. Abortion is bad for women’s physical and mental health
    No, it isn’t.
    8. The abortion industry preys on women
    There is no abortion industry. Abortion is a medical procedure. Health care only becomes an ‘industry’ when it is profit-driven. The industry that preys on women is private medical insurance that exists to make profit rather than paying for health care. Countries that have socialized health insurance plans that cover abortion mean that no woman covered by the plan has to pay for the procedure, and thus no predatory commercial exploitation.
    9. Women are coerced into having abortions
    The problem here is coercion, not abortion.
    10. Abortion makes it harder for women to say “no” to sex
    This is both not true and does not follow logically. Why would access to abortion make it harder for women to say ‘no’ to sex?
    11. Abortion devalues women and motherhood
    Governments and employers who don’t provide paid leave for pregnant women and parents of newborns and infants devalue women and motherhood. Abortion is a way that a woman can choose when and/or if to become a mother and it has no effect on the value of women who are already mothers. (A CP or Quiverstuffers argument might be that the value of motherhood is a question of quantity rather than quality, so for them, abortion does devalue motherhood because it allows women to limit the quantity of their motherhood. This argument is of course absurd, deeply misogynistic, and devalues women by basing their worth not on what kind of person and mother they are, but on how many other persons they produce who call them mother).
    12. Dead fetuses are put in various medical and consumer products
    This is not true. And even if it were, this would be an ethical issue of proper disclosure, like in the case of consumer products (like fabric softener) and medical products (like gelatin capsules) that use materials from pigs.
    13. Shouldn’t the father get a choice?
    Our biology and the principle of bodily autonomy impose certain temporal limitations on our choices. Men’s choice to risk conception in female sex partners exists prior to or during coitus, and no form of contraception is infallible (although vasectomy is pretty darn close). Women’s choice to risk conception happens at this point too. Abortion is not contraception, it is birth prevention, and because the pregnancy happens in a female’s body, her bodily autonomy means that her choice is the only one that matters. Men who father children that they didn’t intend have a legal obligation to provide financial support for those children, and that is their only legal obligation.
    14. Abortion allows people to avoid responsibility
    What responsibility is being avoided here? This argument appears to be based in the idea that consenting to and engaging in coitus is signing a binding agreement to have a baby. No one is obligated to become pregnant or remain pregnant. Sexual intercourse is the way we procreate, but most of the sexual intercourse and other sex that people have is for purely non-procreative reasons (and most of the sex people have does not result in procreation).
    15. People will use abortion as birth control
    Damn straight. Abortion is the only form of birth control. Birth control is a misnomer – it’s the term we apply to contraception (conception or implantation prevention). When contraception is affordable and widely available and when consumers of all ages are well-informed about how to properly use contraception and they consistently use it, abortion rates go down because there are fewer pregnancies.
    16. Lots of childless couples would love to adopt
    There are more adoptable children in foster care than there are couples who want to adopt them. And even if there weren’t, no woman is obligated to have a child for someone else, and woman are not walking incubators for the good of humanity (well, when the CP-Dominionists take over that may become law).
    17. Abortion is sexist
    Abortion doesn’t discriminate according to sex or gender, except that abortion, by definition, is a procedure that is performed only on people who possess female reproductive organs.
    18. Abortion is racist
    Abortion is not capable of being racist, because abortion is not a person or an institutionalized system created by people. Abortion is a medical procedure.
    19. Abortion is ableist
    See #18 and substitute ableist for racist.
    20. Abortion leads to the commodification of humanity
    How does it do this exactly? Humans can be commodified only after they’re born. In the case of stem cell research and other biomedical research, human stem cells are created in-vitro, not in-utero, so any destruction of human cells is not achieved through abortion.
    21. Elective abortion ends society’s responsibility for children
    It does not logically follow that a society that provides abortion services should or would end its responsibility to support the health, education, and social well-being of already-existing children or adults. Only a society that promotes extreme individualism rather than democratic, cooperative collectivism shirks its responsibility for children.
    22. Abortion provides the illusion of choice
    What illusion of choice? The reality is that once a woman is pregnant, she has a finite number of choices, and abortion is the only one that terminates the pregnancy.
    23. The consciousness and dependency slippery slope
    Slippery slopes are slippery, but mostly because they’re greased with what seem to be related scenarios and consequences, but are actually completely different and separate situations (e.g. recognizing same-sex marriage does not logically lead down a slippery slope to recognizing polygamous marriage, because the two have nothing to do with each other – there is no ‘marriage slope’.) Also, these arguments are irrelevant.
    24. A future like ours
    Is this questioning whether we want a future for ourselves and our children that is similar to our present? I don’t understand what this argument actually is. If we want a future where no woman has to seek an abortion, we don’t achieve this by banning abortion – we achieve it by perfecting contraception, curing genetic diseases, and developing effective treatments for profoundly disabling or fatal congenital deformities.
    25. Shouldn’t we be hesitant about ending any form of life?
    No, we shouldn’t be hesitant. Our actions should be the result of finding or be given truthful and comprehensive information and making rational decisions.
    26. Why does this matter?
    Because our bodies belong to us and we have the right to make choices about our reproductive lives. We have an obligation to ourselves and others to deny the claims of those who say that our bodies belong to them or their gods and that we must use our bodies only as they see fit.

  • Katty

    Libby -
    Is this meant as a space to discuss the arguments listed above or were you only looking for feedback on the list you put together? If the latter – kudos to you for boiling all the different arguments down into this comprehensive and well-structured list! My only critique would be that (at least without more context) I really don’t understand what is meant by points 23 and 24. However, since I’m sure you’ll explain once we get to these arguments, it’s really not a big concern for me either.

    • Judy L.

      Hey Katty,
      I’m with you on not understanding point #24. Argument #23 goes something like this: If abortion is permissible because a fetus isn’t conscious (or self-conscious) and cannot survive independently of its mother, then we suddenly find ourselves sliding down the slippery slope of this argument to a place where we can condone, or at the very least are unable to argue against, killing people whom we deem to be not conscious or who depend on the care of others or medical interventions or artificial support systems to survive (e.g. infants, people with physical disabilities or neurological impairments, anyone reliant on medicines or treatments like dialysis, or anyone who requires a respirator or is comatose). Slippery slope arguments are often logical fallacies, based in the assumption that things exist on a continuum, when in fact they are distinct and the permissibility of one thing does not entail or lead to the permissibility of something else. This is a good summation, provided by the Wikipedia: “The heart of the slippery slope fallacy lies in abusing the intuitively appreciable transitivity of implication, claiming that A leads to B, B leads to C, C leads to D and so on, until one finally claims that A leads to Z.”

      • Katty

        Thanks for the explanation, Judy!

      • Tracey

        Judy,

        I totally agree with everything you wrote, and have an observation for the anti-choice crowd: We’re already killing people (born, undeniably PEOPLE people). Insurance companies kill people all the time by denying medical coverage, or refusing to pay for treatments that will prolong life.

        You might remember that at the same time the three-ring circus was having histrionics at Terry Schiavo’s nursing home, there was a little boy in Texas who was born unable to breathe by himself. After 18 months of care, the insurance company decided it was eating up too much profit, so the child’s ventilator was shut off against the mother’s wishes. I remember the anti-choice crowd was very silent about this–the dead baby was not white.

      • Kristen inDallas

        Tracey, true. When Insurance declines coverage that sometimes leads to death and that is unfortunate. It’s a bit different than asking an insurance company to pay for the procedure enabling a family member to adminnister euthenasia though.

  • James C.

    What is meant by “a future like ours”?

  • thalwen

    1. It’s a person
    So what? I cannot be forced to give blood to my own (born) child even if that is the only thing that will save the child’s life. Nor can I be forced to house someone at the expense of my health and potentially my life.
    2. It’s murder
    If you follow the “it’s a person” line, then it’s removing an intruder. Since the only way to remove the intruder is through abortion, it isn’t murder. Also if you regard it as murder, do you consider miscarriage to be manslaughter? Are you really prepared to lock away most women of childbearing age for these “crimes.”
    3. It’s cruel
    It’s cruel to force someone to go through pregnancy against their will. It’s cruel to tell a rape victim that their pregnancy is a blessing. It’s cruel to tell parents that their non-viable child will live if they pray hard enough and when it inevitably dies, it’s cruel to tell them that it’s God’s will.
    4. Shouldn’t we err on the safe side?
    Yes, and since abortion is very safe when it is accessible and legal that’s all the more reason to keep it accessible and legal.
    5. No abortion after fetal viability
    Abortions (as opposed to induced labour) when the fetus is viable occur because they are medically neccessary. No woman goes through 8 months of pregnancy and decides she doesn’t want it anymore.
    6. The Bible condemns abortion
    No it doesn’t. Even if it did, the Bible doesn’t determine our laws, nor is it the religious book everyone subscribes to or interprets in the same way.
    7. Abortion is bad for women’s physical and mental health
    Not if it’s legal and accessible.
    8. The abortion industry preys on women
    There’s no abortion industry. There are medical clinics who perform abortions.
    9. Women are coerced into having abortions
    Yeah, women are weak creatures unable to decide for ourselves.. or even understand that we are pregnant, we need a big, strong patriarchal man to decide for us. Oh and there is a major issue of men coercing women into pregnancy by tampering with birth control and so on, but that’s not a problem right?
    10. Abortion makes it harder for women to say “no” to sex
    That’s the same stupid argument they have with Gardasil. Oh, less threat of cervical cancer? Slut away! The availability of a surgical procedure should I get pregnant.. that just makes me all hot and bothered.
    11. Abortion devalues women and motherhood
    Because no woman who has an abortion is or will be a mother.. oh wait, most are/will be.
    12. Dead fetuses are put in various medical and consumer products
    They’re also baked, fried, broiled, sautéed, used for that new cologne “Eau de Feminazi.” Seriously, fetal tissue is valuable in many forms of research, if it’s a question of it going into the trash or going into a lab to better humanity, I’d take the latter.
    13. Shouldn’t the father get a choice?
    Giving the father a “choice” means the woman doesn’t have one since the man will have veto power. What if the man is a rapist, there’s already an issue of states allowing rapists to have parental rights, are we going to give them this right as well. Then of course, the man isn’t going to spend 9 months pregnant, his life and health will not be at risk, so no he does not get a choice over whether to put someone else’s life and health in jeopardy.
    14. Abortion allows people to avoid responsibility
    I love this argument. First we claim to love babies. Then we say that they are a punishment for sluts being slutty. A baby should be an addition to a family that is welcomed and loved, not a punishment.
    15. People will use abortion as birth control
    It is birth control. Sometimes preventative birth control fails so abortion is necessary. Sometimes we dumb down our sex-ed so that people don’t understand how and which birth control to use, so we need more abortions. I don’t see the anti-choicers embrace contraception and sex-ed.. so I’m thinking they don’t want less abortions, just less safe ones and more dead women.
    16. Lots of childless couples would love to adopt
    There are lots and lots of children out there, already born, waiting to be adopted. And the availability of abortion does not preclude a woman from choosing to give a child up for adoption.
    17. Abortion is sexist
    Sex-selective abortion is a problem in parts of the world, those parts tend to be very patriarchal. Banning abortions there, again does not lead to less of them, it leads to less safe ones. They key is to reduce the patriarchy, not limit women’s rights.
    18. Abortion is racist
    No it isn’t. Unless you’re calling a pregnant woman a racist for aborting a baby that’s her own race? Again this only works if you think women are stupid and abortion is being decided for them by evil abortion doctors (dressed like supervillains I assume).
    19. Abortion is ableist
    A parent’s duty is to make sure their child is safe and healthy, and part of that is deciding whether the child should be born with a disability that will cause them great suffering or death. No parent should be forced to give birth to a child just to watch it die.
    20. Abortion leads to the commodification of humanity
    No it doesn’t. The QF and patriarchal movements do that – by reducing women to objects for baby-making/man satisfaction and children as objects that prove a man’s virility.
    21. Elective abortion ends society’s responsibility for children
    Society’s responsibility toward children starts when a child is born. The presence of legal abortion doesn’t preclude women from giving birth.
    22. Abortion provides the illusion of choice
    Just like breathing provides the illusion of respiration.
    23. The consciousness and dependency slippery slope
    True, if we allow women to have the right to abort their pregnancies, pretty soon we’ll be giving them equal pay for equal work, we won’t be calling them sluts and we won’t be able to blame them and their demonic uteruses for natural disasters… and we’ll all be on welfare, because having kids you can’t afford doesn’t increase your dependency on government.
    24. A future like ours
    Is better than the past where women didn’t have rights, minorities were legally discriminated against and maternal and infant deaths were quite high.
    25. Shouldn’t we be hesitant about ending any form of life?
    That’s why all the anti-choicers are vegans and run to confession every time they accidentally squish a bug.
    26. Why does this matter?
    A woman’s right to control her fertility affects her ability to participate in the economy and politics.

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    For people who seem to be curious, I’m guessing that “a future like ours” refers to a particular, well-known philosophical paper by Don Marquis, who argues in it that personhood is irrelevant and to difficult to define but that abortion is immoral because it deprives a potential person of its future–a “future like ours.” I had to read it for a class once. I wonder if I’ve still got the paper I wrote for that class, taking it apart? lol

  • Rilian

    I think you left off the one I posted. “It violates the non-aggression principle.” Or maybe that’s just a sub..argument of another one that’s already on the list.

    • http://Patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism Libby Anne

      No worries, it’s categorized under #25.

  • Frank

    Its incredible that anyone could be for abortion considering all those valid reasons. How tragic!

    • http://patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism Libby Anne

      Hey Frank, you make no argument and I cannot tell the point of your post. I’ve added a bit to the OP to explain the purpose of this list. I was raised anti-abortion but am now pro-choice. I’ve created the list above to bring together all of the arguments I remember hearing against abortion back when I was against abortion. I will post each argument one at a time for my commenters to discuss them. If you find a given reason compelling, feel free to jump in that thread and explain why, comment on other commenters comments, etc. The only rules on my blog are that discussion be civil and honest. You might also try poking around my blog some more, or looking at my reproductive rights section under my “Beliefs” tab, if you want to know more about me and where I’m coming from.

  • http://www.treehenge.org Themon the Bard

    It’s a long list and maybe I’m just not seeing it, but you seem to have missed the one and only actual reason for this whole brouhaha.

    27. The Catholic Church condemns the practice.

    For Catholics, who (I think) comprise the bulk of those who are raising this fuss, that is a necessary and a sufficient reason. End of discussion. The other 26 points are merely rationalizations to try to push a Catholic taboo on the general society at large under pretenses of “natural morality.”

    • Erin

      Re: #27 — It’s not immoral because the Church condemns the practice; the Church condemns the practice because it is immoral.
      And I can’t even be bothered to read the long responses to pro-life arguments here in the comments since so many start with the illogical thought process of something like the following: “A fetus is a person, but no person has the right to live inside another person’s body without that person’s ongoing consent.” Newsflash: When YOU do the thing that makes babies, don’t be surprised when it makes a baby — INSIDE YOU. Stop hating your biology and deal with it, without shooting the messenger, so to speak. The fact that you’re okay with killing your own baby is an entirely different matter, of selfishness and evil, and many other such things — as though that zygote/embryo/fetus created itself. Such logic is laughably tragic.
      And don’t bother with the rape/incest argument; I’ll give it to you. Now if you get to kill the (still innocent) babies in those infrequent scenarios, will you accept logical limitations on the rest? I’m willing to win incrementally.
      My apologies if this sounds sarcastic. I know the divide that separates us; I just continue to remain flabbergasted at such displays of logical ineptitude.

      • Rosie

        I don’t think logic is failing. I think we start with such radically different presuppositions that logic leads us to different places. Have you considered re-examining your starting assumptions?

      • http://patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism Libby Anne

        Erin – When you speak of “killing your own baby,” and when you accuse women who get abortions of being “selfish” and “evil,” you make it clear that you are coming from a completely different starting point from me and many of the other commenters. You also automatically emotionally charge the issue and demonize those on the other side. And honestly? Your accusations that abortion is about selfish/evil women “killing” their children comes across to me and others here as both complete nonsense and extremely offensive.

        You might take a look at the discussion on Anti-Abortion Argument #1 to see some of the reasons that I and many of my commenters do not see the zygote/embryo/fetus as a “person,” for starters. You might also do some research on the actual reasons women have abortions, or get to know some women who have had abortions (I think the statistic is one in three). Also, rather than posting your objections here, how about you head over to the appropriate posts and comment threads and post them there? If you feel strongly that you’re in the right, why not give my other commenters a run for their money?

      • Andrew G.

        Fun fact: Catholics in the USA have abortions at almost exactly the national average rate. (Protestants have slightly fewer, while “others” have somewhat more.)

      • Petticoat Philosopher

        I don’t see how you can be “flabbergasted at such displays of logical ineptitude” when you also “can’t even be bothered” to read the actual arguments? You can read the arguments and criticize the logic, fair and square, or you can, like most people in the anti-abortion bubble, stick your fingers in your ears and go LALALALALALALALA, but you have to pick one.

  • Erin

    You’re right, it was very much (partially) an emotional response, which is why I included the apology. Of course I have examined my starting assumptions, I am familiar with abortion statistics, have known women who had an abortion, and am familiar with the many reasons women do seek them out. I even sympathize with said reasons; I can understand why abortion can seem attractive, and in my earlier life, in many ways took part. Yet to dialogue with a pro-life side, you have to expect the issue to be emotionally charged, do you not? You do not see the “zygote/embryo/fetus” as a person deserving of individual rights; I do. Hence your views involve only personal issues (on behalf of yourself or others), yet my views entail an entire third, and completely innocent, person (and one who cannot speak up for himself). Thus, you must be able to at least imagine how it looks from over here, when the girl who uses no birth control ends up pregnant, and then gets an abortion (or kills her unborn child, as I frame it). It looks selfish. And evil. And of course there are other reasons for abortion. But there’s not one instance where that zygote/embryo/fetus has any responsibility for ending up in a hostile uterus.
    Incidentally, no one has addressed my comment about how it’s illogical to have sex and not expect a baby to be the result (at least sometimes). This is what I mean about the logical ineptitude. You did the thing that makes babies. And then you punish the baby. And expect everyone else to agree that it’s okay, because that life you created, however you want to categorize it, does not have your ongoing consent to live there.
    Perhaps you will delve into this further once you hit #14.
    Sex makes babies. That’s its function. All I’m (poorly) pointing out is that to deny this is illogical.
    Again, my apologies and thanks.

    • http://patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism Libby Anne

      If you are quite convinced that a zygote/embryo/fetus is a person, why not jump into the thread addressing that very issue? Coming here to talk about it rather than in the thread actually addressing it seems rather odd.

      Also, I understand that it is an emotionally charged issue for you – it was for me as well when I was anti-abortion and saw things the same way you do. What I meant was that calling people evil murders doesn’t set the stage for a conversation. No, it shuts the door. It cuts off conversation.

      • Petticoat Philosopher

        Also, you’re not the only person for whom this issue is emotionally charged. The idea of women–and girls–being forced to give birth, sometimes at the expense of their health, emotional wellbeing, and even their lives, the idea of more unwanted children languishing in a broken foster care system, the idea of more children growing up in miserable situations because their parents had no business having children, the idea of people’s decision to have sex being punished with an entire life that they don’t want and are perhaps unfit for, as well as with the misery of children who are sentient and conscious and have the ability to feel fear and pain when they are physically abused, loneliness when they are neglected, hunger when they don’t have enough to eat–all of these are things I can arouse an emotion or two over myself, believe it or not. You anti-abortion folks do not have the monopoly on emotion, moral outrage, or concern for the vulnerable. So don’t act like YOUR emotions excuse you from incivility when the rest of here are managing to control ourselves.

    • Niemand

      Erin, abortion is an emotional issue for many people. I, for example, object to being enslaved, object to my daughter and niece being enslaved, and object to random women everywhere being enslaved and therefore support abortion rights.

      I’ve also got a personal reason to support abortion. For reasons that are no one else’s business, there was a highish chance that I would have a pregnancy that would end with a baby that could be born but would die in great pain within a few months. I didn’t want that. If abortion weren’t legal at least through second trimester, I simply would not have ever become pregnant or would have had an illegal abortion as soon as possible if I did. If abortion weren’t legal and readily available in my state and local region, I would never have had the chance to have my child. Is my child not worthy of life? Should she be sacrificed to your theory?

  • http://sidhe3141.blogspot.com sidhe3141

    Just a thought: maybe the individual pages should be linked here?

    • http://patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism Libby Anne

      I’m doing that on the page I set up and have on the menu, rather than on this post. It’s here. I suppose I could do both, though.

  • Homa Sapiens

    1) no it isn’t. No more than an egg is a chicken or an acorn is an oak tree, It’s something that has the potential to become a human being– but it is not yet actually a person. “Having the potential” does not mean “already is.” A lump of steel is not a car.
    2) no it isn’t. You cannot murder something that is not alive.
    3) it is not cruel to the fetus, which is not a living organism yet. It is only cruel to the woman if in fact it’s not what she wants to do– or if people like yourself scream and harangue her and tell her how evil she is to do it. But that’s YOU hurting her, not the abortion.
    4) what safe side?
    5) That’s not your call.
    6) the bible condemns wearing cotton polyester mixes too.
    7) Pregnancy is bad for women’s health. Being forced to be a mother against her will is bad for a woman’s health– both physically and mentally. Also, abd for the unwanted child’s physical and mental health.
    8) Coerced motherhood preys on women. There is no “abortion industry” and women are not forced to have abortions– quite the opposite.
    9) women are coerced into having unwanted sex women are coerced into NOT having abortions, women are coerced all the hell over the place.
    10) We need to teach our MEN to take No for an answer. (that would be YOUR job, gentlemen.)
    11) Coerced motherhood devalues women and turns them into baby machines. The CHOICE of abortion tells women that they are valuable for themselves. Motherhood alone is its own value.
    12) So what?
    13) Shouldn’t the woman make that decision?
    14) Why would you force the responsibility for a life on someone so irresponsible?
    15) let’s make birth control more available then.
    16) There are lots of babies available for adoption. Just– not blue-eyed blond babies. Those are at a premium, sorry.
    17) denying abortion is sexist.
    18) denying abortion is racist. (also classist)
    19)Denying abortion is ableist. (also classist)
    20) denying abortion leads to the commodification of women.
    21) no one who wishes to deny abortion is willing to take responsibility for all of the children they will force on the world.
    22) That is no illusion.
    23) I don’t know that argument…
    24) our children’s future will not be “like ours.”
    25) Do you eat meat? pick flowers? swat flies?
    26) I don’t know what that argument is

  • Pingback: “When you do the thing that makes babies…”

  • Pingback: “When you do the thing that makes babies…” « Living Without Faith Living Without Faith

  • http://google Norman

    people lets be fair to the UN born.

    • phantomreader42

      Norman, if your cult can’t be fair to living, breathing, born women, or in fact even acknowledge their very EXISTENCE, then why should anyone with a single functioning brain cell listen to a word you vomit forth about being “fair”?

  • Lewis

    Some of these questions/statements are valid and are used by pro-life atheists/agnostics. So I am not sure why they would be bad? As a side question, when would the destruction of a zygote/embryo/fetus be considered murder and why?

  • Grumpy

    Why don’t you ask the baby?

    • http://www.facebook.com/lucrezaborgia lucrezaborgia

      Cute, but it wouldn’t understand the question.

    • Valde

      A microscopic zygote isn’t a baby you twit

  • calvin mabogwana

    argument no1 lacks knowledge and logic for that matter… its trite that a nasciturus is not a person who can inherit and even so its not a murder as it does not fulfil the legal definition of that particular crime……..

  • Marion Wilson

    1. A fertilised egg is not a person and should not be given the same protection as a full American citizen. I think a fetus is a person, but people who call themselves pro-life and prefer to spend their time shouting “Babykillers!” outside abortion clinics rather than helping the thousands of already born children living on America’s streets are absolutely shameful.
    2. You could call it a form of murder, I guess, but are you willing to adopt that child and take care of it? Are you willing to pour money into free comprehensive and contraception? Are you willing to help protect these children, many who will go to abusive homes if abortion is made illegal? No? Then judge not lest ye be judged.
    3. See argument for number 2
    4. See argument for number 2
    5. Yes… Personally I agree with this in most circumstances, but in some cases, it is absolutely necessary. What if the baby is severely deformed to the point where its health care will cost the family hundreds of thousands of dollars – and, it will have precious little quality of life (Many pro-lifers would say this one is irrelevant, but I’d ask them – again, would they be willing to take on such a responsibility?) What if continuing the pregnancy will kill the mother or have proven irreversible damage to her health? Is she not important?
    6. No it doesn’t. Even if it did, not everyone in America is a Christian.
    7. Shouldn’t women be allowed to decide for themselves what’s bad for their own physical and mental health in consultation with their general practitioner?
    8. See number 7
    9. See number 7. No doctor will force a woman into having an abortion and if a doctor reasonably thinks a woman is being coerced by a family member (at least in my area), they won’t sign off on it. Also, a woman or girl can get a court order to stop an abortion if family are harrassing her.
    10. My mum’s friend was raped in the 1970s before abortion was legal, and I can assure you the legality of abortion made no difference to her ability to say no. If she had become pregnant, it would have been harder for her to have an abortion.
    11. Crap.
    12. Really?
    13. He should have a say, but not a choice. And no choice if he’s a rapist or a woman basher.
    14. Why would you force someone to have a child they don’t want to care for? That child could go through absolute hell as a result.
    15. Abortion costs hundreds of dollars. I would think most people wouldn’t want to have to pay it, and even if their tax dollars covered it, they’d want to spare their government as much expense as possible.
    16. Aaaaaaand…. I as a woman am not a baby factory, and am under no obligation to go through nine months of pregnancy to provide a baby for adoption. Also, open adoption is just beginning to be accepted, and there have been many lawsuits where the natural mother has been lied to about her rights before having all access closed off or limited. There need to be very strict and clear laws about open adoption and semi-open adoption before this could be a very good option.
    17. Controlling women’s bodies is sexist.
    18. It is not racist – it is just that more people of some races choose to have abortions as they are less educated about contraception. Perhaps education is racist. Also, perhaps some who raise this are referring to Margaret Sanger? She was a racist, but nonetheless we have a valuable service today because of her. Women should not be punished because of her beliefs.
    19. If a woman cannot take on the responsibility of a handicapped child, she should not be forced to – handicapped children are much harder to adopt out also, and handicapped children sometimes cannot work or live independently when they are grown up, meaning the parent will never stop being a parent. Their disability could also mean lots of health costs.
    20. Denying abortion leads to the commodification of women.
    21. Children are still being born and are still very much loved.
    22. Women have a right to choose what to do with their own bodies.
    23. WTF? Slippery slope to what?
    24. Pardon?
    25. Do you eat meat?
    26. Am I not important? Do I not have the right to CHOOSE WHAT I DO WITH MY BODY?

    • S

      I was wondering what 24 meant myself.

      • Valde

        24 = children are the future. Killing ‘babies’ = no future

  • http://fightforsense.wordpress.com IgnoranceIsCurable

    If you Google for [60 "abortion arguments"] (where the brackets represent the search box), then you will find a much longer list, with complete refutations. It seems that some of the arguments you have collected may not be on that list, however. So, look for that list to be expanded in the future, when it is reposted at fightforsense.wordpress.com

  • http://fightforsense.wordpress.com IgnoranceIsCurable

    The updated argument list has now been posted at fightforsense.wordpress.com

  • S

    Just a humble note…

    If we declare someone ‘dead’ when their heart stops beating, and ‘brain dead’ when their brain isn’t working, then it would seem to me a baby can’t be ‘alive’ until it has a heartbeat, brain, or both. (I read that a heartbeat starts at around 6-7 weeks.)

    Certainly if it has neither, you can’t possibly entertain the notion that it’s a living thing.

    • Valde

      People are declared dead when the brain stops working – no eeg from the cerebral cortex

      A clinically braindead patient can have a working brainstem and therefore a beating heart – but with no more capacity for sentience/sapience the person is for all intents and purposes DEAD

  • Valde

    Forgot; the uterus was made for the baybeeeeeeeeeeeee


CLOSE | X

HIDE | X