Obama says Church Consciences will Be Respected? – UPDATE

That would be surprising! Refreshing, too!

Says Obama, today:

On an issue as sensitive as [gay marriagte], knowing that Americans hold a wide range of views based on deeply held beliefs, maintaining our nation’s commitment to religious freedom is also vital. How religious institutions define and consecrate marriage has always been up to those institutions. Nothing about this decision – which applies only to civil marriages – changes that.

This from the man who said, during his Commencement address to the University of Notre Dame: Let’s honor the conscience of those who disagree…” and then (whoops!) allowed an HHS Mandate that said, essentially, “all your conscience are belong to us.” Same administration that went ahead with a suit against the Lutheran church that would have dictated to churches who they might call “minister.”

Yeah. I totally believe Obama will respect the churches on same sex marriage. Let’s see what this profoundly evolved man said at the beginning of his statement, shall we?

I applaud the Supreme Court’s decision to strike down the Defense of Marriage Act. This was discrimination enshrined in law. It treated loving, committed gay and lesbian couples as a separate and lesser class of people. The Supreme Court has righted that wrong, and our country is better off for it. We are a people who declared that we are all created equal — and the love we commit to one another must be equal as well.

So…yeahhhh…he’s not going to accuse the churches of discrimination, or of treating anyone like “lesser class” of citizens. That script isn’t going to be written at all.

Oops, except here is what someone said to me about a year ago: “it’s ridiculous to assume that churches will be forced to perform same sex marriages if they don’t want to. Churches will be free to be as hateful and bigoted as they want to be. No one is going to sue them over it.”

Yeahhhhh….just like no one was going to force them to either arrange gay adoptions or close up shop, allow contraception and abortion or stop working against human trafficking, pay for sterilizations, contraception, abortions or face really, ruinous fines.

And if you think people aren’t going to flee from “hateful, bigoted” churches into the safer, easier, more culturally acceptable one to come, think again. Church suppression will happen whether the gay community actually wants it to, or not. The church is just that charged, and the government is just that cynical.

Once again, the church is a “sign of contradiction’. We are in the middle of an American version of the English Reformation, where an issue of marriage and sexual license will be used to eventually dismantle and suppress one church while establishing another. We simply haven’t come across Thomas More, yet.

I wonder who will be the turbulent priest who needs getting rid of?

As Mark Shea says, We’ll see.

UPDATE:
Deacon Greg says Pay attention to what Obama is not saying

UPDATE II:
Someone reminded me of this: who was prescient, and what will come?

Related: Lori on Religious Liberty

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  • Joseph

    “Once again, the church is a “sign of contradiction’. We are in the middle of an American version of the English Reformation, where an issue of marriage and sexual license will be used to eventually dismantle and suppress one church while establishing another. We simply haven’t come across Thomas More, yet.

    I wonder who will be the turbulent priest who needs getting rid of?”

    Spot on!

    http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/26/national-cathedral-rings-bells-to-cheer-gay-marriage/

  • tony

    The almost surreal happenings, rulings, and musings of these past days make for, let’s be honest, a terribly depressing experience. And yes, as Catholics we are supposed to be mindful that everything is in God’s hands, that we are to be witnesses to the Gospels, yada yada. But to be honest, it’s often difficult to be hopeful in the face of what I would say is a culture in total rebellion against God. I empathize with those who are trying to be faithful, especially parents who are trying to raise and kids with any semblance of a Catholic faith.

  • Guest

    I think you mean Thomas à Becket.

  • dnb03

    In 2008, the majority of religious in this country, via peace and ‘justice,’ chose gifts to the poor over life – to paraphrase, abortion is important, but there are other issues (in line with the Alinsky playbook). Here they chose the Party over their own church, the Church that believes life starts at conception (never contradicting Mrs. Pelosi from the pulpits) or certainly should with truth such as the Immaculate Conception (Mary, not just some baby girl child, was conceived without original sin) and the conception of Jesus (not just some baby boy child) by the Holy Spirit. The church abandoned life for the Party, and religious liberty now abandons the church. And not wanting to hurt the ecumenical sensibilities of Muslims, they were/are mostly silent as religious freedom was and is being trampled all around the world. You reap what you sow. The hierarchy of the Catholic church owes this country an apology.

  • Victor

    ((( I wonder who will be the turbulent priest who needs getting rid of? )))

    Keep thinking positive Anchoress! :)

    http://www.splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/2013/06/put-no-trust-in/

    Peace

  • MeanLizzie

    No. I said Thomas More b/c I MEANT Thomas More. Then I ALLUDED to Becket. :-)

  • Florin S.

    June 26th: I agree. How far does a public figure have to go in defying the Church and her teachings before being told he/she is not a Catholic in good standing with the Church and should not receive the Eucharist? Pelosi publicly and aggressively not only promotes the mass killing of humans in the womb but blocks any attempt to limit abortion…and she does so by declaring – publicly – that she acts as a Catholic. She says her faith is not the Church’s faith; she has said that the Bishops and the Church are out of touch – Pope John Paul declared publicly that Catholics in public office who behave in this way should not receive Holy Communion; Pope Benedict did the same and went so far as to write a letter to the Bishops of the United States informing them that they should not allow public figures like Pelosi to receive the Eucharist – Pope Benedict entrusted that letter to Cardinal McCarrick who never shared the letter with the Bishops. We stand by watching as these Catholics in public office humiliate our Bishops and defy our Church – as they spread their evil anti-life agenda and more babies are killed. Cardinal Dolan refused to inform Andrew Cuomo that he is not a Catholic in good standing with the Church despite his radical promotion of unrestricted abortion even by non-medical personnel. Remember, these are not private sins – and these people generate evil agendas – it’s fine for our Cardinals and Bishops to defend illegal immigrants…it’s politically correct. They excoriate anyone who would dare to refuse amnesty to these illegal aliens…fine. But how about showing the same passion on behalf of unborn human babies who are being slaughtered by the millions…and they have just a brief span of life in which they may be saved…illegal aliens have the rest of their lives because no one is threatening to exterminate them…

  • MeanLizzie

    I’m pretty sure Pelosi and Andrew Cuomo both abstain from communion. That’s what I’ve heard.

  • GuestAgain

    A little riled up are we?! How about those newly “ordained” Women Priests in Virginia? It’s like some sort of elaborately choreographed time bomb going off. I barely recognize the church I grew up in…unless I’m at Latin Mass.

  • Florin S.

    I don’t know about Cuomo but Pelosi and Biden receive Communion and twittered back from Rome during Pope Francis’ inaugural Mass that they had indeed received Communion – like thumbing their nose at the Church – such arrogance!

  • MeanLizzie

    I’m over-caffeinated :-) I never pay attention to the womenpriests. They’re not from my church so I don’t need to. :-)

  • GuestAgain

    According to them, 70% percent of Catholics support their ordination.

  • MeanLizzie

    Sure. According to polls, something like 80% of Catholics support using contraception, too. Even if 100% supported it, that wouldn’t define church teaching. It does prove how badly it has been taught, though.

  • Mike

    I keep telling myself that we know how this all ultimately works out in the end (Matthew 16:18), but its this bumpy and turbulent journey that ain’t going t be fun.

  • MeanLizzie

    I used that Tolkien quote in an earlier post today.

  • MeanLizzie

    Dude. It hasn’t even really gotten started yet. :-)

  • David

    I don’t trust Obama to say he will respect Church consciences. They’re empty, hollow words, similar in vain to his so-called reassurances he gave after the NSA data collection and data mining operations were revealed. The same reassurances he gave with regard to the mess called the IRS. He’s the one who has sown and cultivated these fields of mistrust.
    Previously, you asked who was more prescient. It seems the black helicopter and Men-In-Black crowd are beginning to appear to be more prescient everyday.

  • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

    Based on the way I’m feeling at the moment i think it best for my soul not to comment on what I think of Obama and his promises. Otherwise I’d have to go to confession as soon as possible. Lest everyone forget, Obama lied straight to Cardinal Dolan’s face when he first promised he wouold preserve the Church’s conscience. IT WAS A BALD FACE LIE.

  • Gordis85

    When it all comes down to it…numbers will not matter. What will matter will be the remaining few who will survive the great onslaught against the Church, that may or may not come in our lifetime. To whose faith remained intact, whose love of truth cost them much but whose reward will be eternal life with the Saints in heaven, pray for us as we have yet to wake up.

  • Victor

    All kidding aside Anchoress!
    Why doesn’t GOD take over HIS Church? Is He not the real VICTOR? ***

  • Chesire11

    Yeah, pretty much. But don’t forget, in a democracy, the purpose of politics is to produce a government which reflects the culture. If that culture is morally corrupt, then it’s government and it’s law will be corrupt as well. Don;t believe me? Look at the alacrity with which some republican politicians have been jumping ship on this very issue.

    Soon, only the Church will remain, witnessing to the truth, unless we stop worrying so much about party politics, stop assimilating into a superficially Protestant culture, and start to subvert the culture as Catholics are supposed to do!

  • MooreLikeIt

    From a Man for All Seasons wherein Thomas compares himself to a pit bull that will not let go, and warns his friend Norfolk that his soul is in peril. Today we need just one pit bull bishop that will not let go; if for nothing else, than for the sake of future generations, who when they look back can say, “if only we a few more like him”….

    Thomas: …’cause this country’s religion means nothing to you at all.

    Norfolk: Well, that’s a foolish saying for a start! The nobility of England–

    Thomas: The nobility of England would have snored through the Sermon on the Mount! But you’ll labour like scholars over a bulldog’s pedigree.

    Norfolk: An artificial quarrel is not a quarrel.

    Thomas: We’ve had a quarrel since the day we met. Our friendship was mere sloth.

    Norfolk: You can be cruel when you want, but I’ve always known that.

    Thomas: What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not?

    Norfolk: -Yes.

    Thomas: -It’s their nature?

    Norfolk: -Yes.

    Thomas: -It’s why you breed them? It’s so with men. I will not give in, because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my appetites, but I do, I. Is there, in the midst of all this muscle, no sinew that serves no appetite…
    …of Norfolk’s, but is just Norfolk?

    Norfolk: There is!

    Thomas: -Give that some exercise, my lord!

    Norfolk: -Thomas!

    Thomas: As you stand you’ll go before your Maker ill conditioned!

    Norfolk: Now steady.

    Thomas: And he’ll think that, somewhere back along your pedigree, a bitch got over the wall!

  • I_M_Forman

    So much for placing trust in earthly princes. That sinking feeling that we’re getting is the slide to Gomorrah. Time to pray and stand firm for God’s True Church. Good article Dame Scalia.

  • George Mason

    When has culture not been “in total rebellion against God”?

  • Ron Turner

    You only need to have searched for “pelosi eucharist” to have learned the ugly truth

  • hotboogers

    Obama says whatever it takes to get people to shut up. He told Cardinal Dolan that there wouldn’t be a problem for The Church with the Obamacare/HHS provisions … and the good, naïve Cardinal walked away happy … and Obama did not honor his word … so we are now in lawsuit city. It doesn’t matter what Obama says. Watch what he does.
    It’s past time for The Church to get out of the civil marriage business. Do sacraments only. This is not a problem to set up; it is already done in many places throughout the world, Mexico being the closest. Time to do it here.

  • craig

    On at least one occasion, Cuomo and his live-in girlfriend sat in the front row and received communion directly from Bishop Hubbard of Albany:

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/01/07/andrew-cuomo-takes-communion-and-revives-the-good-catholic-deb/

  • Bertha

    Totally agree…Obama’s words mean nothing. They are a manipulative attempt to soothe and calm fears, but deriving any hope from them is a delusion. As with any person, it is always actions that tell the whole story. Most people of good will make every effort match their words with their actions. Not so with the POTUS.

  • MeanLizzie

    That was two years ago. I believe in the last year he has abstained. I could be wrong but pretty sure I’ve read that.

  • Gail Finke

    He didn’t promise ANYTHING. He said the decision (only the DOMA decision, he was not referring to both) wouldn’t do anything religion-wise. Well DUH. It’s not the decision itself that’s worrisome, it’s what will follow from the decision. And with the President AND the Supreme Court saying how great this is and how there is no possible reason but bigotry to disagree, what does anyone THINK will happen next?
    You are right, I think — we’re in the middle of a Reformation. The last one didn’t go so well.

  • Brian English

    Forget about abstaining from receiving the eucharist. Until people like Biden, Pelosi, Sebelius and Cuomo get excommunicated, “Catholic” politicians will treat the bishops like the toothless tigers they are.

    I see we are going to be holding another “Fortnight for Freedom” soon. I am sure that will have Obama and company hiding under their beds quivering in fear.

  • Dave

    George, you must not be very old, or have studied any history.

  • boinkie

    back to the good old days when Christians were viewed by the Romans as “Haters of humanity”.

    And what is worse is that the US State Dept is pushing this agenda in Africa and Asia…

  • http://profiles.google.com/liamronan49 Liam Ronan

    It’s not as though we had not been forewarned. It’s just that we forgot these words of Jesus:

    “If the world hateth you, ye know that it hath hated me before it hated you.” John 15:18

  • dawnmaria

    Turbulent Priest who will need to be got rid of: either Abp Chaput or Fr Rutler.


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