How To Forgive Like God Does

How To Forgive Like God Does September 5, 2018

It’s easy to ask for forgiveness, but it may not always work, but at least you have done your part, so how can you learn to forgive like God does?

Forgive What?

One of the most powerful chapters in the Bible is Romans 5. This chapter shows just how much God has forgiven us, but we cannot compare how much God has forgiven us as to how much we must forgive others. It’s no contest. The Apostle Paul says that “since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Rom 5:1). This means there is no more condemnation (Rom 8:10), even though condemnation is what we deserved. Paul writes that “while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly” (Rom 5:6). Christ died on the cross for the ungodly (that’s everyone!). The point is, “God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (Rom 5:7), so since “we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God” (Rom 5:9). Astonishingly, even “while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son” (Rom 5:10). Who do you know who would be willing to die for an ungodly, wicked sinner who was declared to be an enemy of God? None that I know of.

Forgiveness

We have now been made the very righteousness of Jesus Christ though His sinless life, His death on the cross, and His resurrection. The injustice done to Christ gave us the righteousness of Christ (2 Cor 5:21). Since that is true, we cannot condemn or judge others, especially outside of the church. Let the Word judge the world. Jesus said that “God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him” (John 3:17). I believe that means we cannot condemn others. The Word of God judges the lost, not us. The Apostle Peter wrote that “it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God” (1 Pet 4:17), so judgment starts in the house of God, and it stays in the house of God. Why wouldn’t we forgive others when God says He’s removed our sins “as far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us” (Psalm 103:12). Why would David say that our sins are removed as far as east is from the west? It’s because if you point to the east and then point to the west, these two will never meet. They will go on for infinity. God “does not deal with us according to our sins, nor repay us according to our iniquities” (Psalm 103:10), so I don’t believe we should deal with others according to the way they’ve dealt with us. Jesus never reviled back when He Himself was reviled, for “When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly” (1 Pet 2:23). It is better to give them what they need than what we think they deserve. If we fail to forgive, we are robbing ourselves of health, joy, and happiness; and I imagine, we’re not much fun to be around.

No Condemnation

Jesus taught us, “Judge not, that you be not judged” (Matt 7:1), and the word used for judge is that of condemnation.  If Jesus did not come into the world to condemn the world, then why do so many Christians condemn others when they don’t know what’s inside that person’s heart, or they don’t know all of the circumstance? Of course, the world already does this, but what makes it worse for believers is that they’ve been forgiven by God, and forgiven infinitely more than they could ever forgive someone else. Only God can see what’s in a person’s heart. It’s just that we humans naturally tend to judge a book by its cover. Whatever the first impression is becomes who they are. There are times when we get mad at ourselves and struggle to forgive ourselves for our own mistakes or sins…or for just being human, but we are told to love God and to love our neighbor as ourselves, but can you really love your neighbor if you don’t love yourself? I must say that I have been guilty of that, but I have repented of that and have declared openly that Christians are no better than anyone; we only believe we are better off. Many people don’t want to go to church because they say it’s full of hypocrites. I can tell them that there’s always room for one more, and if you do find a perfect church, don’t join it, you’ll ruin it. That being said, there are hypocrites in the world too, but clearly, there is no perfect church. Christians are far from perfect; just forgiven. So why do we quickly judge others and often harbor grudges? When we harbor grudges, we set mines in our own harbors and make it a place where people fear to come.

Pride and Not Forgiving

If you choose to forgive others and they choose not to forgive you, at least you have met your obligation. You can only control your own actions. We cannot change people. We can only change the way we react to people, and not forgiving someone is an issue of pride. That’s bad because God resists the proud and gives His grace only to the humble (James 4:6). Being humble and being unforgiving are incompatible.

Conclusion

Many years ago, two ladies thought they saw the new pastor walk of a bar. And he was not very steady on his feet when he came out. He looked as if he’d been drinking, so they already began to question the character of this man, even though they had never met him. Only then did they find out that the new pastor was a veteran and had a prosthetic leg. And what they thought was a bar door was actually a door adjacent to the bar. It was a doorway with a staircase that led up to the second floor. Apparently, after having walked down the stairs and out of the door, he was exhausted. That’s what these two people saw. What appeared to be a tipsy pastor coming out of a bar was a pastor that had come down a long flight of stairs after having visited with a young couple. I admit; we just don’t make good judgements of people, especially when we don’t have all the facts.

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • pud

    The most dishonest thing someone can do is assert things as true that are not evidently so. Like everything you post.

    Your invisible imaginary undetectable “god” killed every living thing on the planet per your flood fable…..some forgiveness eh jack?

    You must have skipped these chapters on “gods forgiveness” in your buybull eh jack?

    20 million (estimated). People being evil. Drowning. Genesis 6:7
    The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah (population of Sodom estimated to be 600-1200, Gomorrah presumably would be similar). According to Genesis: Being evil and wanting to rape two angels (who visited Sodom in the form of men).
    According to Ezekiel (depending on translation): Being prideful (arrogant), overfed and unconcerned (having an abundance of idleness); neglecting the poor and needy; being haughty and committing abominations before God.
    The passage suggests that a mob were interested in homosexual rape in respect of the angels. Lot – the only example of a good man in the city – offered them his virgin daughters instead, but the mob were not interested.

    Burnt to death by fire and a rain of burning sulfur. Genesis 19:4-5
    Ezekiel 16:46-47 (specifically Ezekiel 16:49-50)
    Lot’s wife. Pausing to look back at the spectacle of God destroying entire cities, including her own residence and all her possessions, in a massive conflagration of fire and brimstone. Transformed into a pillar of salt. Genesis 19:26
    Er, the firstborn of Judah. Being “wicked in the sight of the Lord” Not specified Genesis 38:7
    Onan (Er’s brother and apparent inventor of onanism) Disobeying God’s orders to impregnate his dead brother’s wife (or “spilling his seed”). Not specified Genesis 38:9-10 (unlucky family)
    The firstborn of Egypt. Being firstborn when God decided to show his strength. God hardened Pharaoh’s heart so he refused to let the Israelites go. The Angel of Death. Exodus 12:29 (Rather tough on the kids who really had nothing to do with it.)
    The Egyptian army. Refusing to disobey orders to pursue the Israelites fleeing through the Red Sea, which was parted with walls of water on both sides of the path. Drowned when the seawater returned. Exodus 14:28 God kills you or the boss kills you.
    Nadab and Abihu, sons of Aaron. Offering strange fire before the Lord. Burnt to death Leviticus 10:1-3 If you don’t get the ritual right then death is the result.
    Undisclosed number of Israelites. Complaining against God Fire Numbers 11:1-3
    Undisclosed number of Israelites. Complaining about the food and wanting to go back to Egypt for an easier life. Plague Numbers 11:4-35
    Ten scouts sent to explore the promised land Spreading bad reports about this land containing giants, and being too difficult to conquer. Plague Numbers 14:36-38. If you don’t give the answer the boss wants then you’re in big trouble.
    Korah, Dathan, Abiram and their respective families. Claiming to be as holy as Moses and Aaron. The earth opened up and swallowed them – burying them alive. Numbers 16:27-32, which implies the children were killed, but Numbers 26:11 states Korah’s children survived.
    250 Israelites. Followers of Korah (see above) Burnt to death by fire from God. Numbers 16:35
    14,700 Israelites. Complaining about the previous two loving assassinations concerning Korah. Plague Numbers 16:49 (The management thanks you for your feedback. Now die!)
    Undisclosed number of Israelites. Despairing, and complaining about the quality of bread. Being bitten to death by divinely summoned fiery serpents, although casting a bronze snake and looking upon it would prevent them from dying. Numbers 21:4-9 (Honestly, wouldn’t it be cool just to try this to see it happen? C’mon, I dare ya…)
    24,000 Israelites Sexual immorality with Moabite women and worshiping Baal. Plague. Numbers 25:9 (Proving once more that despite God being obviously real and very jealous, Israelites would worship a sandwich if Moses so much as popped out to buy a newspaper.)
    Undisclosed number of Ammorites Waging war against Israel, trying to protect themselves and their families from the holy slaughter that the Israelites regularly inflicted on their enemies Sending hailstones from Heaven Joshua 10:10-11
    Either 70 or 50,070 Israelites (dependent on how the inerrant Bible is translated. The original Hebrew text literally says, “[God] killed of the people 70 men, 50,000 men…” so the language is confusing even at the source). Looking into the Ark of the Covenant (Like the ending of Indiana Jones: Raiders of The Lost Ark). Not specified 1 Samuel 6:19 (You would have thought the 50,070th Israelite would have more sense than to climb a mountain of 50,069 bodies and look into a box)
    Nabal. David refrained from murdering Nabal’s servants or stealing from him. He expected his kindness to be repaid in the form of gifts from Nabal, but Nabal declined. God killed Nabal before David had the chance to go “avenging thyself with thine own hand.” Not specified 1 Samuel 25:38 (This was quite convenient as David, an avid collector of wives, got to marry Nabal’s wife who was quite hot.)
    Uzzah. Touching the Ark while trying to prevent it from tipping over. Not specified. 2 Samuel 6:6-7 (Which seems grossly unfair – should he have just let it fall to the ground and be broken have the contents fallen out? Looking at the contents that fell out are also punishable by death.)
    David and Bathsheba’s baby boy. None. The baby was killed in order to punish David for his adultery with Bathsheba and subsequently arranging the death of her husband Uriah. Not specified 2 Samuel 12:14-18 (The life of a baby is sacred, as explained by Christians, but it’s worth squat when God is angry with the parents.)
    70,000 assorted Israelites Inspired by either God, or perhaps Satan – the Bible is a tad unclear – David took a census of his lands and people. Plague 2 Samuel 24:13 , despite being told to by God in 2 Samuel 24:1. (Unless you read 1 Chronicles 21:1, where the devil did it)
    An unnamed prophet The prophet had been told by God to not eat bread, but another guy claimed he too was a prophet, and that God had commanded him to bring the prophet home for some food. Eaten by lions 1 Kings 13:1-24 (That’s what happens when you follow the advice of self-proclaimed prophets.)
    Jeroboam’s son. None. Child killed to punish Jeroboam, to save him from a massacre God was planning for the rest of Jeroboam’s family, and possibly also as a sign used to confirm a prophecy. Not specified. Died in his mother’s arms. 1 Kings 14:10-18 (God euthanizes a child to save him from the terrors of…His own wrath?)
    An unnamed man Refusal to strike a prophet when ordered to do so by the prophet in question. Killed by a lion (God really enjoys using Lions in Kings). 1 Kings 20:35-36 (Weird or what?)
    King Ahaziah Seeking medical advice from a rival god, and Baal worship. Died in bed while recovering from an earlier fall. 1 Kings 22:51 and 2 Kings 1:16 (Baal must have been pretty good to compete with a Yahweh: the God who would incinerate your children.)
    102 soldiers Being impolite to Elijah and serving King Ahziah. (Although they would have attempted to remove Elijah by force/kill him for not obeying Ahaziah had God not intervened) Burnt to death. 2 Kings 1:9-12 (This verse is worth reading, since it’s almost comical the way in which the soldiers queue up to be incinerated.)
    42 youths. They mocked Elisha’s bald head. No kidding – God sends 2 she-bears to maul them to death. 2 Kings 2:23-24 (Evidently there weren’t any lions to hand).[2]
    Some foreigners. Not worshiping God Killed by lions 2 Kings 17:25-26 (“Death by lion” crops up with suspicious frequency. Did the author of Kings have some kind of lion-phobia?)
    185,000 soldiers. Being at war with Israel Killed by the angel of the Lord while they slept. 2 Kings 19:35
    Jeroboam. Rebelling against Abijah, the king of Israel based on dependence from David. Not specified 2 Chronicles 13:20
    Jehoram. Doing evil in the sight of the Lord. Stricken by a disease that caused his bowels to fall out. 2 Chronicles 21:14-19 (Nasty way to go.)
    Ezekiel’s wife. Literally nothing. God just wanted to make a point. Unknown. Ezekiel 24:15-18 (Well, being wife of the prophet is now an occupational hazard)

  • Guestie

    “That’s bad because God resists the proud and gives His grace only to the humble (James 4:6). Being humble and being unforgiving are incompatible.”

    Your previous column and this one are most confusing. Last time you wrote that it isn’t necessary to forgive people because you’ll go to heaven even if you don’t (and God won’t forgive you either but that doesn’t matter.). And now you say that God’s grace is unnecessary as well. I hadn’t thought you were such a progressive Christian but it seems you are.

    • pud

      Guess what? He doesn’t “KNOW” anything just like every other religious lunatic who “believes” in ancient books and refutes all reason, logic, evidence and common sense.

  • Glory

    Thanks for your patient perseverance in continuing to write blog posts in the face of so much criticism, Pastor.

    • pud

      It’s not “patient perseverance” it’s willful ignorance and clinging to an unsupportable position in the face of all reason and evidence..ie: delusion

      • Glory

        Did not read your post. I no longer read the posts of confirmed atheists on religion.

        • pud

          Proves only how insecure and inept you are.

          • Glory

            Stop posting towards me.

            This comment proves you let the devil own your head because only evil people continuously talk down and disrespect others who are made in the image of God.

            Remember the movie The Exorcist?

            The priest threw himself out the window after talking to the possessed girl.

            The implication was the evil spirit passed from the girl into the doubting priest.

            You never think godly thoughts so you let your old ungodly nature rule your thoughts and can’t stand anyone else having any love, joy or peace so you constantly spew hate filled invectives trying to control them, take away their peace and make them just as unhappy and degraded as you are.

            We all hear voices in this world.

            Just some of us are intelligent enough to focus on the best voice which is God’s instead of letting fallible evil carnal ideas to fill our mind like you do.

            It is all about the heart not materialism.

            Sanity starts with peace in the heart given by Jesus.

            You have no personal peace that is why you come over here making verbal war on everybody while you let the devil rule in your heart.

            Get the real life that God promises or get off this board with your attention seeking drama queen act.

            You are not smarter than God. You can’t even rule yourself as your non-stop abusive posting shows.

          • pud

            LOL. I’ll post whenever, however, to whomever I want.

            I do not post “hate” I post “contempt” for your wicked, warped, delusional, deranged cult and the damage it does on a daily basis

            Your comment PROVES that you are psychotic. You live in a make believe fantasy world not unlike psychotics who see pink spiders climbing the walls.

            You are clearly and demonstrably mentally ill

            I urge you seek help

          • Glory

            And I will call the FBI if you refuse to respect my personal boundaries again.

            Hate speech is illegal.

            You should stick to your own kind if you are going to let the devil control your every move.

          • pud

            Go right ahead lunatic. They’ll put you in an institution where you clearly belong.

            If you’re trying to help alcoholics you don’t go into a church you go into the pubs….this is what I do…go into your cult hangouts where the delusional people babble their nonsense.

            Disagreement, argumentation, contempt are NOT “hate speech” stupid. Seek help! You clearly are a danger to yourself and others

          • Glory

            FBi it is then.

            You’re a skulking hate crime coward.

            If you had any balls you would walk into the largest church in town every Sunday and go up to the pulpit and spew your epithets from there at people.

            You do it here because you count on someone not having big enough balls to stop you.

            Have fun answering the FBI once they get your IP address and see your hate posts.

            You don’t insult people personally and ad hominem attack constantly unless you are a hater and/or have some type of antisocial personality disorder which makes you a danger to the public.

            No one is required in this day and age to submit to non-stop verbal abuse.

          • pud

            I hope they give you a room with nice padding and a view. There’s no way any clinical psychologist would diagnose you as anything less than psychotic, paranoid and mentally unstable.

            PS…you are not required to read my comments. You choose to.

          • Glory

            No, you sent it to my email plus your comment is too personal to be general.

            Please do not use the reply button so as to not contact me personally.

            Speak to the general forum until the FBI contacts you.

            Thanks!

          • pud

            Nope…never sent anything to you directly only on this free comment section stupid.

            You need to do some homework….you are seriously mentally ill

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/07/no-theres-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/?utm_term=.53b31a3ba0e8

          • Glory

            You are in luck. I will be merciful and not contact the FBI if I can adjust my email to cut you off.

            Read Cloud and Townsend’s “God Will Make A Way”. No one is obliged to continue in a relationship with a toxic person and you have shown you have a hatred of Christians.

            If you were rational you would not hang around the thing you claim to hate so much.

            Your efforts are doomed to failure. Emotionally strong Christians aren’t swayed by haters because they are lovers.

            Have a blessed life. I won’t be reading or responding to your hate filled invectitudes again. I learned the self control to separate from drama prone people determined to hate on me a while back. Hallelujah and thanks be to God for that lesson.

  • “Christians are far from perfect; just forgiven.”

    No, you’re not forgiven – that’s the point of the gospels.

    “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” – Mattew 7:13-14

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq2v8cj3ijY

    • Glory

      Pure atheist propaganda. Too bad you never learned to question yourself because you might agree with God you are a sinner.

      You believed atheist propaganda ahead of believing God when God is the only Holy Person, without evil heart motives clouding His thinking, who never lies.

      His ways are not our ways so why do you keep trying to reduce Him using atheist propaganda stereotypes?

      I guess evil has jumbled your mind so much you no longer realize evil is reigning in your heart so you have no room in it for God.

      Someone should have taught you to guard your heart but apparently they didn’t because you bought the lie.

      Don’t argue with me. I don’t want to read the lies. God reigns in my heart and that is the source of the most love, joy and peace in my life and I am not giving Him up or those benevolent blessings in my heart to win an argument.

      Love wins and God’s love never fails and God given love, joy and peace in the heart is a believer’s personal bedrock evidence.

      I am not giving up personal evidence for a cheap argument, am I? Of course not.

      May His grace abound to you!

      • Hasn’t the evil in your mind jumbled you up? Doesn’t “Satan” reign in your heart? Don’t argue with me. I don’t wont to read your lies. “Satan” reigns in your heart and this is the source of your hatred of atheists. Of course, there is no such being as Satan. He is a figment of your imagination. So, doesn’t evil reign in your heart and this is the real source of your hatred of atheists.

        Your hate rational conversation. You want to ban atheists from this blog but yet you want to use abusive words by lying about atheists and calling some of them Nazi trolls. Your fictional god may as well be called Satan. That’s how much evil is in your heart. Yet to want to hide this evil by using sanctimonious, pompous, Christian language.

        You don’t want anyone to question you and your ideas. You don’t want to be corrected, yet you are so quick to correct anyone who disagrees with you. What a hypocrite, you are!

    • Glory

      I apologize if I misread your post as atheistic when you meant something different but your post is not clear.

  • kyuss

    so how can you learn to forgive like God does?

    Didn’t “god” drown almost every person on earth “in ye olden days”? How is that forgiveness?

    • Glory

      Oh really? You wanted to question God’s integrity without questioning your own first?

      You are a sinner and some sinners are more evil hearted than others.

      Read 5 Indicators of an Evil and Wicked Heart on bible study tools dot com.

      It blows my mind how evil people question God’s integrity without suspecting their own evil heart motives first.

      Don’t respond to this post. Examine yourself for sin and error like Jesus says to do.

      Really? Criticizing God is how you care for your own soul?

      I don’t want to read you any more.

      Get busy getting your heart right with God but you will need His help to do it.

      Have a blessed day.

      • kyuss

        you sound like a confused, childish idiot. “Sin” is a bullshit concept that I don’t accept. And “god” does all kinds of stupid shit that deserves to be criticized. Please don’t respond with any more of your verbal diarrhea until you’re prepared to speak like an adult.

        • Glory

          You sound like another atheist nazi troll.

          When you learn how to respect people then I will speak to you. Not before.

          What kind of a person judges God without soul searching and acknowledging he is a sinner first?

          A dishonest one. I hope God has not turned you over to a reprobate mind but He could.

          If I were you I would steer clear of atheist propaganda.

          Look what it has done to you. It has made you too toxic to talk to.

          Love wins and God’s love never fails. People fail themselves and sometimes those failures teach their failure to others through propaganda like Hitler did. Like incessant atheist propaganda does.

          If you won’t protect your own heart, soul and mind from evil then who will?

          It is on you to seek to know the truth about God now. If you don’t learn God’s perspective accurately then at least learn to stop spewing lies about Him on the Internet.

          Sin is real. Why are there cops, prisons, drug rehabs and mental institutions if sin is not real?

          You have let your sin turn you into a hate filled, toxic person.

          If anybody needs to repent and ask God’s forgiveness and grace you do and right now.

          One more incivil word from you and any attempts to control the conversation and you will be put on block.

          You are not releasing your personal demons out on me via the Internet.

          • You tell kyuss to stop spreading lies about your god, yet you tell lies for your god by saying that kyuss sounds like a “Nazi atheist troll”. What evidence do you offer in support of your statement? NONE! You do know that your holy book tells you to not bear false witness. But it doesn’t matter to you, does it? What evidence is there that any of the atheists who visit this blog are Nazis? You make this stuff up, then pontificate from on high. I think that you might be mentally ill and I advise you to urgently visit your local, professional psychiatrist. You desperately need HELP!

            Talk about people being toxic. Your pontificated rubbish from on high is toxic. Your so-called private religious experiences are just that, private! They don’t indicate the existence of any god, but just your feelings. By the way, why do you get so angry when anyone challenges your views? Are you infallible? Do you, and those who agree with you, have the only infallible interpretation of who god is and what he or she commands?

            You are delusional if you think that anyone can release invisible demons on the internet. You surely need to seek urgent psychiatric help. There is no more evidence for the existence of demons than there is for the existence of fairies or, for that matter, the existence of any invisible being called god or gods.

          • kyuss

            blah, blah, blah, blah. Demonstrate your (or any other) god or gods exist. Don’t type another thing until you can present some convincing evidence. And quoting the buybull or referring to imaginary concepts (like “sin”) don’t count.

          • This “Glory” is mentally unhinged!

        • Glory

          Be sure not to fall for the atheist weak thinking propaganda again.

          Look at what it did to pud. He is practicing arm chair psychiatry illegally without a license accusing believers of insanity contrary to the stated opinion of the licensed psychiatric community.

          That is self delusional evil at work in him.

          You can’t even correct pud. He is full of evil pride and the authority on everything according to him so he is the god of his own life.

          Being the god of your own life lacks humility and demonstrates strong delusion. Most rational people know they aren’t perfect and an authority on everything.

          It is quite the delusion that pud harbors as unlike the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob he lacks the power to back up any of his claims.

          God demonstrated His power over life and death at Jesus’ resurrection.

          So who do you side with? A powerless narcissistic troll like pud or the all loving, all powerful God of the Bible? The answer is a no brainer unless you let your heart and mind get overrun and controlled by evil concepts.

          Even the origins battle is worthless. A pissing contest between intellectuals with big egos.

          Because “Nothing is impossible with God!”

          God can use creationism, evolution, or intelligent design in any sophisticated amalgamation of one or all three that He desires.

          It is people who think he is limited to one position but this is the Almighty Creator of the universe and He can do anything anyway He wants to.

          So don’t limit yourself by finite human thinking. Get the Limitless One on your side as your friend.

          Men reverse their “opinions” and pet theories every day but God is all knowing and He never changes.

          The atheists are still trying to explain how something can come from nothing with no proof and no fossils.

          • kyuss

            actually, pud is spot on with his (her?) mocking criticism of evangelical christianity.

          • Glory

            Goodbye then I see your mind is made up and you know nothing of God’s mercy and grace.

            God is worshipped and glorified for His grace something of which you are proudly oblivious of.

            If you are determined to stay set in your worldly ways then you should stop being a troublemaker coming onto this blog cursing people and using profanity like profane sinners do.

            You made your choice on your own whether or not to listen to God respectfully but refused to so He passed you over since He can read hearts and detect who is for Him and who is against Him and who genuinely love and respect Him.

            There is always repentance to remedy your problem but you will have to ask God for the gift of repentance.

            Until then there is no reason for me to entertain your rebellion in my own heart or head is there?

            I don’t like rebellion. It brings disorder and chaos into my heart and it is usually the least peaceful people who are toxic and dedicated to spreading their drama all around.

            I will stick to Jesus where I find peace. Most people in this world are addicted to chaos in this world. No wonder a war is breaking out every other day somewhere in this world.

            You have to desire to make peace with God THEN He establishes peace in your heart.

            All this arguing and rough disputing is just overly competitive warlike behavior.

            But Christ is the Prince of Peace.

            Meditate on it. Ponder it deep in your heart and let God change you.

            Being a toxic person not only gets you cutoff from God. Other people start to cut you off too because their sanity is too precious to put at risk.

            May His Grace Abound To You!

          • kyuss

            like i said – proffer some evidence of take a hike.

          • Glory

            God already did but you sided with the evidence deniers.

            Plus you can get your own evidence if you need it.

            Some people weigh evidence better than atheists.

            Prove your evil heart can weigh the evidence.

            From what I see all you atheists have your heart scales out of whack.

            That is what unchecked sin does. Upsets personal judgment.

          • Glory

            And you can locate the missing fossils of Darwin or take a hike.

            Your proof is worse than a Christian’s.

            We have double proof. Both objective and subjective.

            You unbelievers make a ruckus over only one form of proof: objective.

            God has supplied both though.

            How self deceptive you are casting burdens on others when you cannot analyze the evidence yourself due to the blindness of your own heart.

            That is why God calls for repentance. It is the time when the evil scales start to fall from the human heart and then people start to see and understand.

            Enjoy arguing to stay in your own heart’s blindness.

            If you don’t care about the subjective but only the objective then it allows your heart blindness to continue.

    • Glory

      If I have your attention now. You consult actual God called and ordained reputable Bible scholars on the Bible. People that demonstrate good morals. Don’t be fooled by the fake Christians.

      Really who did you study the Bible with? Have you even read the whole thing and don’t claim you did if you didn’t.

      People have heart issues from sin. It most likely affects their interpretive ability so make sure you locate a genuinely good and obedient Christian to study with until God purifies your heart enough to restore you into right fellowship with Him.

      You wouldn’t take your dental work or your car to a hack would you?

      So why do you consult unqualified, uncalled hacks of God’s Word?

      God qualifies those He calls to work for Him.

      Have a blessed day and meditate deeply on this or the wolves in sheep’s clothing get to keep you.

  • Glory

    Pastor Wellman did you ever consider closing the comments section entirely? In God’s scheme of things it is far more important that this blog doesn’t allow evil ideas be communicated to Christian brothers to stumble them than it is to allow immature evil people freedom to express themselves.

    Sin can be compared to leprosy. It is communicatible.

    Some evil people have taken leave of their senses and spend all day on here trying to communicate their evil ideas to others even violating their expressed will when people tell them they are to stop posting their evil communications towards them.

    Rather than single any one person out for banning why not just close the comments section? After all this is a teaching blog primarily and why let clowns who intend to learn nothing come over, cut up and try to upset the good motive behind the teaching?

    Correct me if I am wrong but this is not a blog dedicated solely to apologetics debate is it? If not then why
    allow unbelievers to come onto it and treat it like it is. Why should a Christian allow this blog to be controlled and subjected to evil intents and purposes. Just shut the comments section down and continue to post the blog like always.

    Have a blessed day, Pastor!

    • In other words, if you were running this blog you would ban comments by atheists and agnostics. Would you ban the views of compassionate Buddhists or compassionate Jews or compassionate Hindus or compassionate Muslims? Would you also ban views of progressive and liberal Christians? What about evangelicals who disagree with you? Would you also ban them?

      Although many of us disagree strongly with Jack’s views we do appreciate his kindness in allowing comments with which he disagrees.

      • Glory

        This comments section is no longer a comments section. It has been over run by a cyberstalking atheist troll trying to force people into fights by verbally abusing them for some time now which could be construed by the authorities as a crime.

        If this blog were a church the malcontents operating from malicious motives would not be allowed to make a fuss in the middle of services. They would be asked to leave and escorted out if necessary.

        Defense of the Gospel is not the main purpose of the evangelical church. It merely serves as a corollary function.
        One of the main purpose of the Church is evangelism. You only have to defend if you don’t ably evangelize.

        So this blog is primarily to serve God’s evangelistic purposes and to help train up God’s children in the way they should go not answer the complaints, mockings, scourgings and insults of unbelievers who have demonstrated they lack all self restraint.

        Christian counselors and secular psychiatrists agree on this: when being continually attacked by a toxic person disassociate yourself from that person.

        So if the pastor cannot ban pud to prevent further abuse then he can close the comments section down.

        This blog was not built for apologetics.

        The title of the blog says for all ye that have ears to hear. So the obedient not the disobedient were invited to share this blog for evangelistic study purposes.

        Not for whining, complaining, debating, or cheap needs for attention.

        I am just asking Pastor to reinstate order so disciple formation can occur.

        Jesus Christ did not say a word about defending the Gospel. He said to send laborers. We need more evangelists than apologists.

        Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to accomplish his work. 35 Do you not say, ‘There are yet four months, then comes the harvest’? Look, I tell you, lift up your eyes, and see that the fields are white for harvest.”

        Hope you reinstate this blog to serving the true purposes of God, Pastor Wellman.

        • pud

          No, you’re begging to have all counter points removed (censorship) so that you’re free to continue pumping your absurd delusional views without confrontation. Your “holy book” commands you to have answers to those who confront you…this would make you a cowardly sinner would it not? The fact of the matter is, you cannot defend your delusions of “devils” and “demons” and you know full well that in the light of reason you’ll be exposed for the crazy person you clearly are.

      • Glory

        Oh one other thing. You ought to be very scared when the holy people lose their discernment and start letting evil people have a voice in their pulpit.

        Yes, Christians are to love everyone and freedom of speech is important but there is such a thing as the responsible exercise of it.

        If there is one message people should get from reading the Bible it is that God tells everyone that since they are made in His image that everyone should love and respect one another and this will be conveyed by both word, deed as well as tone.

        But many people refuse to convey love and respect to others like atheist Sam Harris who practices and encourages the practice of conversational intolerance.

        If an atheist believes the Satanic idea that he is better than another oerson and gives them the right to verbally abuse another to assault their belief system then why does a Christian have to dialog with such a one?

        The whole world is littered with tons of people who were unable to protect themselves from toxic people. Many children are raised in abusive homes that they cannot escape and from these homes they go on to become abusers themselves.

        Christ is the escape from the abuse but not for those who refuse to acknowledge him because they refused to listen to God.

        Christians must love their brothers first. Even more than we love non-Christians because we are building a trans-generational chain for and with God to rescue people out of this evil world of abuse into the blessed and holy and all loving family of God.

        What good does it do the family of God to allow evil people like Harris who want to saw off God’s chain liberty to persecute Christians with impunity?

        Why nothing at all. We have to love and respect people but we also have to learn to separate from the crazier characters in thus world.

        All people’s opinions are not equally valid and worthy of being listened to.

        Imagine if the Germans had managed to shut off crazy Hitler. But they didn’t. The Germans at their lowest ebb in history allowed that man to feed them a pack of lies that allowed them to treat anyone who they deemed non-Aryan in a loveless, thoroughly disrespectful way.

        So that proves there are boundaries that people must establish and maintain.

        Since some Christians are not wise enough to maintain these boundaries and teach evil men like pud that their evil will not be tolerated and that true brotherly love must not tolerate evil we must then hope for an end to the comments section.

        Brotherly love is the better standard than worldly tolerance.

        Love does what is right. Tolerance tolerates evil until it manipulates itself into a state of power over people who never should have tolerated it.

        We need more love and respect in this world for everyone and if certain people are too far gone to give it to others because they allow evil spirits to control themselves then the sane holy people need to separate themselves from the unholy, unleavened people who vehemently refuse to let God make them holy.

        Evil is communicable like a disease and people need to separate from evil before it is communicated to them just like some people with a disease need to be quarantined til their evil sickly state has passed so they don’t pass their diseased thinking onto others in their attempts to control them the way Hitler did. The way atheists Stalin and Pol Pot and Mao Zedong did.

        Hope this helps.

        This is an evangelist blog. When the salt loses it’s flavor then it is time to throw the salt out.

        • pud

          Nothing is more toxic than your religious indoctrination of children. You want a free pass to spread your Bronze Age superstitions without critique….no way dude. Religion poisons everything and you’re not going to have free reign over the minds of gullible credulous people as long as I have a voice.

        • Jack is a responsible adult and it is his blog. He allows comments that differ from his and I think that that is commendable. I am not sure that this blog is an “evangelistic blog” only. I think that there is an implied sense of apologetics, even if Jack has not made this explicit enough. But perhaps I am wrong here.

          This is a public blog and atheists will visit this site. If you wish to be quarantined from atheists, then why visit any blogs that speak about religious matters? And by the way, not all atheists are like Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. These three characters were evil, but I don’t think that it was because of their atheism, per se, but their form of atheism and political power.

          These three were Communists and their form of atheism took the form of dialectical materialism. I am not sure if this philosophy was responsible for their murders or whether it was the concentration of political and economic power in the hands of the power elite which they controlled in their various countries.

          Some atheists are humanists who believe in treating others (ordinary folks) with dignity and would not murder them. e.g. Julia Gillard was at one time Prime Minister of Australia and she was an atheist. She didn’t murder anyone.

          I agree with you that we need to treat “ordinary ” people with dignity and respect (but murderers need to be jailed). I also agree with you that much of Jack’s work is to express his theology to disciples of Jesus, but I think he wishes it to extend beyond Christians as you seem to agree. He is partly using his blog as an evangelistic tool, but I don’t think that Christian teaching and evangelism are the ONLY uses of this blog. Another possible use is as an apologetic tool. Perhaps Jack could write a post on what the purposes of his blog are and clarify this for us all.

  • Markus R

    The more I see the depth of my own sin, the more I understand the price that was paid by God to redeem me. Forgiveness takes on new meaning.

    • Jack Wellman

      As you are, so am I my friend. Well said.

  • kyuss

    god forgives? how does that comport with drowning everyone in the world (with 8? exceptions?) because “it” didn’t like what they were doing?

  • the truth

    Jesus himself gave us a three-step model of forgiveness among believers in the Gospel of Luke. He said: “Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him” (Lk. 17:3-4) (emphasis added).

    Step One: Rebuke — Jesus clearly tells us that if a “brother,” meaning a believer, sins against us, we are first to rebuke him. What does this mean? To rebuke is to criticize sharply, to reprimand. This plays nicely into the Christian principle of speaking the truth in love. To rebuke a brother is not an act done with a hateful or prideful heart. No. In fact, it could easily be compared to the behavior of a loving mother correcting her child for a behavior that will bring harm to her child and/or others. She may raise her voice and speak sternly, but she does so with a loving heart and tongue. We are to rebuke our brothers privately, and with humble hearts.

    Step Two: Repentance — Jesus tells us that our forgiveness is conditional upon the brother’s repentance after the rebuke. To repent in the broad biblical sense is to turn away from sin. Repentance is not simply a reform of one’s behavior, although genuine repentance ultimately results in reformed behavior. Instead, repentance is the sincere feeling of remorse, and a heartfelt search for forgiveness. A believer does not get to that place without first feeling the burden of Holy Spirit conviction. The natural response of a believer to Holy Spirit conviction is acknowledgement that one has sinned, followed by true remorse and repentance. The kind of repentance God demands, knowing the interaction of the indwelling Holy Spirit with His children, is one that has visible results to others: fruits. The great Apostle Paul discussed his gospel with King Agrippa, saying “that they should repent and turn to God, doing works worthy of repentance” (Acts 26:20). Also, John the Baptist said, “Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance” (Lk. 3:8). True repentance is always evident and visible through the changed hearts and fruit bearing works of the repentant. That kind of transformation is evident to believers and unbelievers alike. It’s obvious to all who interact with the person and witness his or her daily conduct. Jesus gives us more insight into this dilemma when he spoke these words:

    “Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them” (Mat. 18:15-20).

    In the practical and relational sense, repentance begins with the offender recognizing his or her wrongdoing. This recognition always includes an admission of guilt to the offended party. The person who has committed the offense is required to confess the wrongdoing and express remorse to the offended person for the sinful acts. Afterwards, the offender is to make a commitment not to repeat the offense. Ultimately, the purpose of this process is to express guilt and remorse to the offended person in an attempt to gain forgiveness so that the two people can repair the relationship. Without this process being fulfilled in its entirety, forgiveness is impossible.

    Step Three: Forgiveness — If the first two steps have been completed, and the fruits of sincere repentance have been observed, Jesus commands the offended party to forgive his brother, as He has forgiven us, AFTER ALL, WE ARE NOT HOLIER THAN GOD. We need to open our bibles and study all of it not just cherry pic what the modern evil church preaches. The bible is not a salad bar where you can choose the good and ignore the scary parts.