A Pastoral Call to Humility

A Pastoral Call to Humility March 25, 2019

The character and effectiveness of any church is directly related to the quality of its leadership, and humility is a key characteristic.

Resisting the Proud

Aaron and Hur hold Moses’ Arms Up; 19th-century by John Everett Millais

Grace is like water…it always seeks the lowest point, and never runs uphill to the high and mighty. Grace also flows toward humility, so God “gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble” (James 4:6). The Apostle Peter tells us to “be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble” (1 Pet 5:5). Peter may have been quoting Proverbs 3:34b which says it is “to the humble he gives favor.” To emphasize the importance of humility, Peter says, “Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you” (1 Pet 5:6). Since God resists the proud, we should humble ourselves and acknowledge that whatever we have comes from God, since we have nothing to brag about (1 Cor 4:7). Either we will humble ourselves or God will do it for us.  Moses was no weakling, yet he was called the meekest man on earth, but that certainly doesn’t mean the weakest!

Called to the Ministry?

How do you know if you’re called to the ministry? In the Old Testament, God spoke out of heaven or sent angels to deliver His call, while in the New Testament, this call would often come from Jesus Christ. In our day, I believe this calling comes from the Holy Spirit which compels a man to preach. He is miserable doing anything but that. There is nothing wrong with someone desiring this calling. The Apostle Paul said, “If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task” (1 Tim 3:1). Paul never had an air of superiority because he said, “Yet when I preach the gospel, I have no reason to boast, because I am obligated to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel” (1 Cor 9:16)! It was certainly not Paul’s idea to become a preacher of the gospel. God told him that “he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel” (Acts 9:15). Save for the work of the Holy Spirit, Paul would have been the last man on earth to go from destroying the church to building the church, and who at that time or in their right mind would have tried to share the gospel with Saul!?

Irresistible Calling

The disciples couldn’t resist preaching the gospel, telling the council that “we cannot but speak of what we have seen and heard” (Acts 4:20). Jeremiah the Prophet resisted this call, telling God he was only a youth, but Jeremiah had no choice in the matter, saying, “If I say, “I will not mention him, or speak any more in his name,” there is in my heart as it were a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I am weary with holding it in, and I cannot” (Jer 20:9). Others in your church or people you know might confirm this calling in your life, and a church may actually do the calling, but it is the Holy Spirit which is leading this process…not man. The Bible teaches that God “gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers” (Eph 4:11) to the church and this was “to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ” (Eph 4:12). One of the main points is that “God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose” (1 Cor 12:18), not as we have chosen.

Character and Leadership

I like where Biographer C.W. Hall quoted Salvation Army Commissioner Samuel Logan Brengle who said, “The final estimate of men shows that history cares not for the rank or title a man has borne, or the office he has held, but only the quality of his deeds and the character of his mind and heart” (Samuel Logan Brengle [New York: The Salvation Army, 1933], p. 274). One pastor in a prison that I serve and preach in has a pastor that is bringing down the whole church on his own. He seems to think he needs to lead the Bible study, read the announcements, lead the board meetings, and lead Sunday school. This man has too much control and has refused to share some of these duties with others in church leadership. Slowly but surely, this church is losing membership because they see the pastor as being more of a dictator than a servant, which a pastor is called to be. The greatness of the pastor is not related to how many things he leads, but by how many opportunities he gives others to serve. There is no room for someone being in the ministry for the money, job security, or prestige. Those are recipes for spiritual disaster. If the pastor is not ready to work in the face of great discouragement, little or no pay, being on call 24/7, and face opposition even within his own church, then he is not ready for the calling. It may be one of the reasons that Paul doesn’t want new converts placed as elders. The term elder refers to their age and spiritual maturity, while the word bishop or overseer refers to their office. It’s good to desire the office of an overseer or bishop (pastor), but this desire is not enough to sustain him through the gauntlet of his weekly ministry.

Elders

The word elders could be thought of as “olders” or more mature believers. This conflicts with many churches that have new Christians who are already ordained as elders. Paul knew it was not a good idea to have a new convert be ordained an elder…pride, being the main risk. Paul was concerned that “he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil” (1 Tim 3:6). Because they are a church leader, elders must be more spiritually than others, and he must be able to man teach the Word. Paul charged the Ephesian elders to carefully guard what was given them (Acts 20:17-38), but God also wanted the membership to submit to its leadership. The author of Hebrews wrote, “Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you” (Heb 13:17). The elders were also instructed to provide a godly example as they shepherded the flock (1 Pet 5:1-4).

Conclusion

For any man who is called by God into the ministry, there must of necessity be a strong or powerful internal passion that is so strong that it motivates him to endure the times when it seems overwhelming. His desire to minister will be so strong that he doesn’t have any other option but to preach. It is an all-consuming passion, and he pursues this task as if nothing else matters, but without humility, he will struggle daily because God has always resisted the proud and only given His grace to the humble (James 4:6).

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is an ordained Pastor of the Brethren Church and is also a writer at Christian Quotes and the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Christian Crier or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • pud

    “For any man who is called by God into the ministry,”

    What about “women” jack? Don’t they get “called”? OH NO…they have to stfu! So sayith the lord! Right?

    Demonstrate that any “god” ever “called” anyone ever to do anything….waiting….still waiting…you’re making a claim jack…back it up!

    ” It is an all-consuming passion, and he pursues this task as if nothing else matters”

    Yep…just like every psychotic cult leader, terrorist, lunatic, rabid ideologue etc….doesn’t matter what’s true only the obsession that exists in your head absent all reason, logic, evidence and truth.

  • Matthew 22:37

    Ad hominem is a logical fallacy yet we see many unbelievers subjecting theists to it on this blog and on other blogs and message boards around the internet.

    Ad Hominem
    by Dr. Jason Lisle on September 14, 2009
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    The phrase ad hominem is Latin and means “to the man.” The fallacy is so named because it directs an argument against the person making a claim rather than the claim itself. The critic hopes that people will believe the claim in question is false simply on the basis that there is something objectionable about the person making the claim. For example, “You cannot honestly accept John’s claims about politics because he can’t even find a job!” However, John’s inability to find employment is logically irrelevant to the political claim he is making.

    The fallacy comes in two varieties: abusive ad hominem and circumstantial ad hominem. In the abusive ad hominem, the critic attacks his opponent’s character or insults him in an attempt to discredit him in the eyes of the audience. This tactic is common in politics, and it may psychologically sway people. However, it is logically fallacious because a person’s character (or lack thereof) is logically irrelevant to the validity of his argument. Even if the critic’s negative claims about his opponent are true (e.g., he really is a draft-dodger, or he really did spend time in jail), this has no bearing on the position he is advocating.

    Name-calling is perhaps the most obvious form of the abusive ad hominem fallacy. When children have a heated disagreement, they sometimes engage in such behavior. As we grow up, we are supposed to become rational and learn to make arguments based on logical reasoning. However, since there is no rationally sound argument for evolution, evolutionists are increasingly resorting to name-calling.

    I recall a particular instance where an evolutionist launched into a name-calling diatribe against Ken Ham.
    Such immature behavior reminds us that the evolutionary worldview is utterly intellectually bankrupt. The circumstantial ad hominem fallacy is when a critic simply dismisses a person’s argument based on the arguer’s circumstances. Suppose Susie makes an argument that taxes on gasoline should be increased. Her opponent, Bobby, tries to refute this by pointing out that Susie’s job is tax-supported, so she is strongly motivated to argue for higher taxes. Bobby concludes that Susie’s argument is wrong since Susie has a bias. Bobby has committed the circumstantial ad hominem fallacy—just because Susie is strongly motivated to defend a particular position does not mean that her argument is faulty.

    A non-Christian might argue:
    “Christianity isn’t true. You just believe in Christianity because you were brought up in a Christian home. If you were brought up in the Islam religion, you would be a Muslim now.”
    This is the circumstantial ad hominem fallacy because the circumstances by which the person became a Christian are not relevant to his or her argument for Christianity. While it may be true that I am much more likely to become a Christian by virtue of being reared in a Christian home, this is utterly irrelevant to whether or not I have a really good logical argument for Christianity. It would be just like saying, “You just believe in the multiplication table because you were taught it in school!” It is true that I probably would not have discovered the multiplication table without someone teaching it to me, but this does not mean that I don’t have some really good reasons to continue to believe in the multiplication table!

    An evolutionist might argue:
    “Creation isn’t true. You just believe in creation because you read that stuff on the Answers in Genesis website!”
    Although the information on the website may have helped people to see the truth of creation and how to argue for it (we hope so!), the person’s argument should be evaluated on its own merit, not on how he arrived at it. The evolutionist is wrong to simply dismiss an argument because he doesn’t like the source.3 The source is not relevant to the argument’s validity.

    It may help to note that there is often a difference between a cause and a reason. What is the cause of a person believing in the Christian worldview? Many factors may have contributed: conversations with family, a sermon, prayers of friends, and ultimately the Holy Spirit.

    What is the reason (i.e., the rational justification) for a person believing in the Christian worldview? One really good reason would be that Christianity alone can account laws of logic, and science. In the above examples, the critic is arbitrarily dismissing a reason for a position on the basis that he does not like the cause of the person coming to that position. But such a dismissal is logically unwarranted and fallacious.

    Not all references to a person’s character are necessarily ad hominem fallacies. For example, if a person makes a particular assertion (not an argument, but merely an assertion), and if it can be demonstrated that the person is generally dishonest, it would be perfectly appropriate and relevant to point out that his dishonesty calls into question his credibility on the claim. However, even this does not disprove the person’s assertion, since a generally dishonest person will sometimes tell the truth. Moreover, if the person makes an argument, his or her alleged dishonesty is totally irrelevant to the validity of that argument. (An argument is not the same as an assertion.) The key is to remember that an argument should be based on its merit, not on the alleged character defects or the circumstances of the person making the argument.

    • Wolf of Odin

      Garbage.

      • Matthew 22:37

        Forgive me for correcting you. If you want to make a joke out of being a true follower of the Living God so you can pretend to be a follower of a false god who doesn’t even have a real following in this world than be my guest.

        Truth seeking seems to be sadly lacking in some people.

        Some people think joking around is more important than truth seeking.

        Do what you want. God gave you a wil. If you want to use it and your mind against God who is stopping you.

        Certainly not me. I stopped caring what atheists think and am busy looking for the people with teachable spirits now.

        You can blow God off if you want. This is the internet who’s going to stop you.

        You can explain it all to Him later.

        Everyone has the right to dedicate himself to whomever or whatever he wants to. That’s because God says we are all suppose to be temples to Him but it seems only some people know to dedicate their temples to Him.

        Your body is a temple.

        if you want to dedicate it to a false god that is up to you though perhaps a bit unwise since you never mastered the true God’s perspective.

        Have a blessed day anyway.

        Don’t respond in an argumentative way.

        Try seeking for a change.

        I have been seeking and finding and confirming God’s knowledge for a while now. Too long to go back to an atheist’s conclusion drawing board getting bum results.

        Bum spiritual results = becoming a bum in God’s eyes.

        So seek that good spiritual education while you still have time.

        Peace Be With You!

        • Wolf of Odin

          Seek to abandon your proto-Bolshevist religion.

          • Matthew 22:37

            You have got things all wrong. All the Bolsehviks were atheists starting with Marx unless you agree with Richard Wurmbrand that Marx was a Satanist.

            Read up on Richard Wurmbrand. See his wikipedia biography. Now there is a true disciple of Christ with more courage than most. He was caught and taken by the communists to an underground prison in Moscow for trying to evangelize the Red Army. You know the Army led by atheists and their communist ideas.

            Have a blessed life, Wolf.

            A true Christian’s courage will put a Viking bully’s to shame.

            Because that is God’s courage that Wurmbrand exemplified in Romania. Out evangelizing an opposing country’s army.

            That takes some supernatutal courage given by God to do that.

            Have a blessed day, Wolf and get to know Jesus. He will give you more of all the best virtues. Read up on the Fruit of the Spirit.

          • Wolf of Odin

            “Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism.” – Oswald Spengler

          • Matthew 22:37

            Who is more heroic than Jesus Christ? He conquered death when he rose from the grave. Nobody else has done that and lived to tell it.

            He beat Satan on the Cross and Satan didn’t even see it coming.

            Song of Moses
            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TI8yTeMv0Uo

          • Wolf of Odin

            “Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism.” – Oswald Spengler

            I will NEVER SURRENDER! EVER!

  • Matthew 22:37

    Dear Pastor Wellman do you think you could give us a lesson on the biblical topic of the importance of seeking.
    For some reason many people think arguing trumps seeking but from a biblical perspective which is God’s perspective it does not.

    I would really like some greater clarity on why seeking is so important and what it indicates.

    Thanks for all your hard work in trying to help God and Jesus enlighten this world and make it a better place for everyone in it.

    Light in the darkness
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s0HpihVTfFg

    • You do realize that Hillsong is a “Word of Faith”, “Prosperity Theology”, “Name it and Claim it” Pentecostal group run by Brian Houston from Sydney, Australia don’t you? If songs influence theology (and this group is considered by many Evangelical scholars to be heretical), then it doesn’t say much about your ability to interpret your holy book and to discern between so-called “Christian truth” and “Christian error” when you promote this kind of Pentecostalism. Brian Houston’s Jesus is “another Jesus”. So God (if he exists) is not using Hillsong tapes to enlighten this world but, if you accept Evangelical Christian theology (which you claim to do), Houston is leading people into darkness.

    • Theodore A. Jones

      “For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.” Rom. 2:13

      • Matthew 22:37

        I am still studying the question of the law as there are multiple interpretations on it.

        You are not explaining anything by just posting a verse.

        Here is what gotquestions dot org says:
        What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?

        Answer: Jesus said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17–18). This important statement of our Lord gives us insight into His mission and the character of God’s Word.

        Jesus’ declaration that He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, not to abolish them, obviously contains two statements in one. There is something Jesus did and something He did not do. At the same time, Jesus emphasized the eternal nature of the Word of God.

        Jesus goes out of His way to promote the authority of the Law of God. He did not come to abolish the Law, regardless of what the Pharisees accused Him of. In fact, Jesus continues His statement with a commendation for those who teach the Law accurately and hold it in reverence: “Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19).

        Note the qualities that Jesus attributes to the Word of God, referenced as “the Law and the Prophets”: 1) The Word is everlasting; it will outlast the natural world. 2) The Word was written with intent; it was meant to be fulfilled. 3) The Word possesses plenary authority; even the smallest letter of it is established. 4) The Word is faithful and trustworthy; “everything” it says will be accomplished. No one hearing Jesus’ words in the Sermon on the Mount could doubt His commitment to the Scriptures.

        Consider what Jesus did not do in His ministry. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus says that He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets. In other words, Jesus’ purpose was not to abrogate the Word, dissolve it, or render it invalid. The Prophets will be fulfilled; the Law will continue to accomplish the purpose for which it was given (see Isaiah 55:10–11).

        Next, consider what Jesus did do. Jesus says that He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. In other words, Jesus’ purpose was to establish the Word, to embody it, and to fully accomplish all that was written. “Christ is the culmination of the law” (Romans 10:4). The predictions of the Prophets concerning the Messiah would be realized in Jesus; the holy standard of the Law would be perfectly upheld by Christ, the strict requirements personally obeyed, and the ceremonial observances finally and fully satisfied.

        Jesus Christ fulfilled the Prophets in that, in His first coming alone, He fulfilled hundreds of prophecies concerning Himself (e.g., Matthew 1:22; 13:35; John 19:36; Luke 24:44). Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law in at least two ways: as a teacher and as a doer. He taught people to obey the Law (Matthew 22:35–40; Mark 1:44), and He obeyed the Law Himself (John 8:46; 1 Peter 2:22). In living a perfect life, Jesus fulfilled the moral laws; in His sacrificial death, Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial laws. Christ came not to destroy the old religious system but to build upon it; He came to finish the Old Covenant and establish the New.

        Jesus came not to destroy the Law and the Prophets but to fulfill them. In fact, the ceremonies, sacrifices, and other elements of the Old Covenant were “only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves” (Hebrews 10:1). The tabernacle and temple were “holy places made with hands,” but they were never meant to be permanent; they were but “copies of the true things” (Hebrews 9:24, ESV). The Law had a built-in expiration date, being filled as it was with “external regulations applying until the time of the new order” (Hebrews 9:10).

        In His fulfillment of the Law and Prophets, Jesus obtained our eternal salvation. No more were priests required to offer sacrifices and enter the holy place (Hebrews 10:8–14). Jesus has done that for us, once and for all. By grace through faith, we are made right with God: “He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross” (Colossians 2:14).

        There are some who argue that, since Jesus did not “abolish” the Law, then the Law is still in effect—and still binding on New Testament Christians. But Paul is clear that the believer in Christ is no longer under the Law: “We were held in custody under the Law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the Law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian” (Galatians 3:23–25, BSB). We are not under the Mosaic Law but under “the law of Christ” (see Galatians 6:2).

        If the Law is still binding on us today, then it has not yet accomplished its purpose—it has not yet been fulfilled. If the Law, as a legal system, is still binding on us today, then Jesus was wrong in claiming to fulfill it and His sacrifice on the cross was insufficient to save. Thank God, Jesus fulfilled the whole Law and now grants us His righteousness as a free gift. “Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified” (Galatians 2:16).-end quote

        Other people have other interpretations though.

        Also was the law in effect while Christ was alive and then changed after His resurrection?

        Nobody could be born again before Jesus’ work on the Cross.

        What’s this murder of Christ thing you keep mentioning?

        Christ said he laid down his life.

        John 10:11-18:

        11 “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13 He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, 15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd. 17 For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. 18 No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”

      • Matthew 22:37

        Will You Lay Down Your Life?”
        By Oswald Chambers

        Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends….I have called you friends… —John 15:13, 15

        https://utmost.org/will-you-lay-down-your-life/

        Jesus Is Our Pattern
        http://www.believers.org/believe/bel194.htm

        Absolute Surrender by Andrew Murray, you can read it or listen to it.
        http://www.ccel.org/ccel/murray/surrender.html

      • Matthew 22:37

        Dear Mr. Jones, yesterday an atheist spammed my post removing evidence for God from inspection in the public domain of the internet.

        Would you please stand up for God and post this archaeological link confirming the existence of God where ever and when ever you post on Romans 2:13.

        I know you’re not afraid to stand up for God so be sure to post some of the evidence confirming His existence that counters the claims of evidence deniers.

        Some of the biggest evidence deniers are the people claiming to need evidence.

        Thanks for your help and have a blessed day.

        Here is some of the evidence for God’s case that He exists:
        http://www.bibletoday.com/ebook/Archaeology.pdf

        Peace Be With You, Brother Jones!

      • Susan Jane Elohim

        The law IS faith in Jesus Christ. Cf. Romans 3:27.
        Jesus is also the Word. Cf. John 1.
        Quote from Dr. Ernest L. Martin:
        There is one New Testament teaching that each of us must comprehend if we ever hope to understand what is required of believers in Christ today. It is a fact that all of the Mosaic legislation (no matter how holy, right and good it was or is) is to be reckoned as a mere shadow of the reality that we have in Christ himself. The laws about eating and drinking in the Old Testament, as well as those pertaining to the festivals, new moons and Sabbath days, were intended to be shadows (mere outlines) of the true substance (Christ) when He came to earth (Colossians 2:16–17). The Law of Moses was a shadow of the good things that were to come in Christ. (Hebrews 10:1). The author of Hebrews makes it clear that the Mosaic Law was not “the very image of the things” but it was only a shadowy outline of what was to be expected once Christ Jesus would arrive on earth.
        Google “The Law of Moses,The Passover and the Lord’s Supper” on the Associates for Scriptural Knowledge site for a more detailed explanation.

        God’s love never fails. Cf. Psalm 118 and Psalm 136.

        Be sure to deliver God’s love not legalism to people.

        Love is where all the power to change for people really lies.

        Not in the work of law keeping.

        If law keeping could save you there is no need for Christ to die on the Cross.

        There were people who kept the law perfectly in ancient Israel but they did not have the whole new godly nature that comes with mature faith in Jesus Christ.

        Jesus is the incorruptible seed. If you have him then won’t he give you an obedient spirit?

        Have a great day.

        • Theodore A. Jones

          “For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.” Heb. 7:12
          Youse ain’t gonna love your way into the kingdom of God Suzzie. For the gate into God’s kingdom is the law that has been added in regard to the sin of murdering Jesus Christ by crucifixion.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Jesus Christ specifically said that he laid down his life for people.

            Your understanding of the law is faulty. The law was given as a school teacher. When Christ is accepted people spiritually mature the way a school age child matures into an adult.

            The same strictures do not apply to an adult who is a New Man with a new obedient spirit as did in the Old Testament times.

            The law in the future 1000 year kingdom will apply to all the people who did not receive and mature in Jesus in this age.

            The law is there to impress on a person the need for a savior. Yes it’s perfect and spiritual to raise the unspiritual.

            What need does a mature spiritual person need of the law?

            Please read Martin and stop trying to take a verse or two out of context to submit people to your overly judgmental legalistic tendencies. The whole bible is the context.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Love covers a multitude of sins.

            Keeping the law is not better than manifesting divine love.

            1 Corinthians 13 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

            The Excellence of Love
            13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body [a]to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

            4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 [b]bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

            8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of [c]prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I [d]became a man, I did away with childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror [e]dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13 But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the [f]greatest of these is love.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Are you spamming my correction of your false teaching?

            Or is someone else?

            Please read Galatians 3. The law was a curse.

          • Carlos Santiago

            Yes! We need to know that.

    • Jack Wellman

      I don’t think arguing trumps seeking for most atheists. They might be seeking after something, but they typically do not enter into debates. Only a few who troll the sites do these sorts of things, but I do believe most atheists are not like these few examples here. I know the BIble teaches that arguing or “endless debates and speculations lead to the ruin of the listner” (Paul). Instead of asking about those few antagonistic atheists and agnostics, I would ask why are Christians sometimes argumentative? Please read this; we can be guilty of what we accuse others of. I know I have. I plead guilty, but no more! https://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2015/09/22/why-do-christians-argue-and-fight-with-other-christians/

      • pud

        “paul” was a psychotic lunatic who had visions and was a rabid religious zealot. You know nothing more of him yet you build your entire life around a half dozen letters he wrote to cult centers. Who’s the crazy non seeker here? “I don’t think”…you should have left it there janitor jack. If you did “think” you wouldn’t be making your living lying to the simpletons and children nor would you continue to cower in the dark. Debate me jack….any day, any time….why are you so fearful?

      • Matthew 22:37

        Theists, apologists, in particular are under the illusion that they should engage religion’s human opponents.

        But I now agree we shouldn’t because arguing isn’t seeking and a Christian should be busy teaching God’s ways to God’s opponents not indulging in arguments which is the world’s way.

        A Christian is not required by God to show off how intelligent they are. A Christian should be exercising a more spiritual mind so that the idea of discipleship spreads to all people.

        Arguing gives opponents of religion the false impression that devout Christians are open to their ideas when the mature Christian is not. Why would we be? We already agreed with God to trade in our old worldly nature and start manifesting a new Christlike nature. But Christians themselves can be confused about this and some of your more earthly intelligent Christians like to resort to showing off their logical skills which is just their carnal minds when they could be demonstrating their spiritual minds.

        There are plenty of unbelievers with open minds who might like to achieve a higher spiritual mind so why spend all your time on people who decided not to be spiritual?

        That is why seeking is so important. It puts you on the true path to an understanding of God.

        Why would a bunch of opponents to religion who don’t understand religion deserve to be catered to in a debate about religion.

        Why cater to their ignorance when they never bothered to receive a proper understanding from God.

        Richard Dawkins certainly never mastered God’s perspective so how is he an expert on religion or how religious people think.

        He’s merely a xenophobic opponent. Xenophobes are frequently afraid of people that they don’t understand and Dawkins never understood spiritual people enough to agree with them. He was too busy writing off people engaging in higher spiritual thinking as having mental problems without mastering the art of biblical meditation himself.

        Too bad Dawkins drew the wrong conclusions about higher spirituality. Something he clearly never experienced. So why would he make socially critical commentaries about things he did not understand?
        He obviously never thought to consult true experts on spirituality. He only attempts to tear them down from an uninformed position.

        How does an outsider afraid of a group of people different from himself in their beliefs get the right to criticize and attempt to tear down what he doesn’t even know as well as a group insider does.

        That’s xenophobia walking around gussied up in false intellectualism.

        Don’t negatively comment on things you don’t understand, Dawkins. You never mastered God’s perspective or spent even a day trying to understand it. You just rushed to misclassify it because that is what evolutionary biologists do. Attempt to classify things.

        One must be submissive to God and hold the right attitude to begin to learn from Him.

        As Jesus said you are either with him or against him.

        No fence sitting allowed. The devil owns the fence.

        Seriously, who protests religion without first coming into a proper understanding of who God is and why do Christians indulge these people’s banal philosophical pretensions?

        God is the Creator of the human mind and for that reason alone with out consideration of all the others He is owed more than average respect.

        Imagine devoting your life to disrespecting God by trying to disprove Him without even getting to know Him in the scriptures first.

        What a learning handicap a bad attitude and unbelief is. A skeptic can’t take directions from God. He’s too busy doubting He exists. So how can he learn God’s way. Instead he substitutes the scientific method in place of God’s preventing the occurence of his own spiritual birth.

        God wants to give people spiritual minds and gifts and what do they do? Try to mount an organized protest based on a gibberish understanding of God’s perspective. Then some Christians think they will join them in this gibberish game where they disrespect God.

        Well I am out. I always disliked blasphemy. It’s a terrible thing to engage in so I let God purify my mind and feed me spiritually through the bible which teaches me the art of biblical meditation. When you master the art of biblical meditation then you can exhort people and let go God use you to help raise people as Christ’s true disciples. This world needs more disciples. More disciples and less protesters trying to upset God’s order.

        God brings order out of chaos. Good from evil.

        So there is no point in indulging objections against that.

        Have a blessed day, Pastor. To think I almost went to school for apologetics. Why argue when you can exhort people? Arguing is just a demonstration of the human mind.

        Exhortation is the demonstration of a spiritual gift from God.

        God lives in a Christian and some of the more mature Christians demonstrate this gift.

        The world in opposition to God likes to deny these gifts exist.

        But how would these people in opposition know? They never personally experienced them. They just got offended at others displaying these gifts and wrote them off as delusional when they are not.

        They are inspired.

        And there is no reason to defend inspiration not when everyone can seek to get inspired unless he has let twisted reasoning rule his head.

        Thanks for reading, Pastor, and please keep proving to the world that spiritual people exist using your teaching, prophetic and exhortation gifts given to you by God and yes, of course, your gift of helps.

        God bless you and keep you, Pastor!

    • pud

      “Arguing” is a method of “seeking” stupid. Janitor jack can shed NO light on actual seeking of what is actually true. He is simply a regurgitating drone reciting the crap from an ancient book. Jack cares nothing for truth only feeding gullible fools like you who want only to hear what you want to hear.

  • Matthew 22:37
  • Lynne Douglas

    Sadly, there are a number of ministers/priests/pastors who think they’re “called” but who actually become clergy to bask in their power. They enjoy
    having people “look up” to them. I personally know three Episcopal priests who have been ordained in order to wield control. Fortunately, I also
    have the privilege of knowing quite a few men and women who lead their congregations with great humility and sincere Christl-like love. The
    priesthood should never be thought of as a career; it is not simply “a job” like any other. Being a gentle leader takes so much more strength than
    using the clergy position dictatorially. Christ is the ultimate model of humble strength, of course.

    • Jack Wellman

      True my friend. I work without a salary, so for many, it’s not about money, but for many it it a “career.” Humility is key to everything in ministry.

  • Matthew 22:37

    Romans 3:9-20 New Living Translation (NLT)

    All People Are Sinners
    9 Well then, should we conclude that we Jews are better than others? No, not at all, for we have already shown that all people, whether Jews or Gentiles,[a] are under the power of sin. 10 As the Scriptures say,

    “No one is righteous—
    not even one.
    11 No one is truly wise;
    no one is seeking God.
    12 All have turned away;
    all have become useless.
    No one does good,
    not a single one.”[b]
    13 “Their talk is foul, like the stench from an open grave.
    Their tongues are filled with lies.”
    “Snake venom drips from their lips.”[c]
    14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”[d]
    15 “They rush to commit murder.
    16 Destruction and misery always follow them.
    17 They don’t know where to find peace.”[e]
    18 “They have no fear of God at all.”[f]
    19 Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God. 20 For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.

    • Wolf of Odin

      “Marxism borrows some deep assumptions from theology, especially its prophetic criticism of the present world order (capitalism) and its eschatological projection of a future world that is qualitatively different. It is not so well known that when Marx and Engels wrote the Manifesto of the Communist Party they did so at the request of a group that had not long beforehand been known as the League of the Just. The curious thing about the League of the Just, which had been formed by German workers in Paris in 1836, was that it was an organisation with a substantial religious flavour, propagating utopian socialist and communist ideas and practices on the basis of the Bible. Some of the leading figures of the old League of the Just argued for a violent communist revolution and pictured not merely Christ as the fore-runner of communism, but communism as Christianity without all its later developments. If a religious person declared she or he had become a socialist, then the assumption is that that person had lost his or her faith. It doesn’t help matters when the major churches also declared communism to be ‘God-less’. But these are, or at least should be things of the past.”
      -Roland Boer

      • Matthew 22:37

        You are comparing an early New Testament Christian community to modern politics.

        Marxism was the brain product of an atheist. Though some like Wurmbrand say he was really a Satanist.

        The New Testament “communism” was only possible because those people were following Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

        The new 20th century communism isn’t. They think they can dispense with God without allowing Him to change people first.

        You are comparing sheep to wolves.

        I suggest you locate a copy of Wurmbrand’s book “Marx and Satan” and read it.

        We have had several evil attempts at establishing a new world order in recent times. Like communism. Like Nazism.

        They even have George Bush Sr. making speeches about the “New World Order” on youtube.

        Isn’t globalism the latest new world order push? Obama was quite the globalist putting the world’s interests ahead of the United States. The pope wants the U.S. to submit to globalism now and the pope is a socialist Jesuit.

        Capitalism certainly has it’s greedy, evil component but communism was just as hypocritical. Saying everyone was the same in communism while it’s leaders lived in luxury dachaus by the Black Sea.

        “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Lord Acton

        There will probably be more impostor new world order attempts until the start of Jesus’ New Thousand Year Kingdom on Earth. It will reign for a thousand years. Then Satan is finally cast out and Jesus puts everything under God’s feet. The last thing to be put there though is death.

        The Great Commission
        (Mark 16:14-18)
        16Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated. 17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.

        18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go andc make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

        The end of the Age is approaching now if we haven’t already commenced the next one. Jesus could be coming soon. So be sure to get your heart right with God.

        Why would Christians be willing to give up all their rights ( personal power ) to government when the people running governments sometimes run them in an evil manner?

        There is no change in that since ancient times. Some of the kings in the Book of Kings were good but most were bad.

        At least in a democracy there is a shot at throwing the bad apples out once they are exposed.

        In communism you have to wait until the system breaks down and chaos ensues.

        There is no perfect communism or any perfect form of government with imperfect individuals.

        Individuals are the basic building block of governments.

        Corrupt people lead to corrupt government and societies.

        So guard yourself from the corruption. Get Jesus. Satan is the strongman but Jesus is the stronger man. Strong enough to guard your soul from too much corruption if you cooperate with him.

        It is the weak minded and weak willed that refuse to cooperate with a holy, loving, benevolent God. They let their weakness and passions rule them too much.

        There is no reason to rebel against a perpetual benevolent ruler who teaches you to rule your own soul and house with order not chaos.

        • Wolf of Odin

          Your “god” is a fraud. A lie forced onto Western man that taught him to reject the gods of his ancestors. Curse your cult and may it be driven back to the Middle East.

          • Matthew 22:37

            He’s the God of the universe.

            Go read the proof that the archaeologists dug up on Him:

            http://www.bibletoday.com/ebook/Archaeology.pdf

            I will put you on block now.

            You can seek God on your own if you change your mind.

            I don’t like to waste time arguing with people. Why try to force someone to see God’s perspective who’s mind is made up against Him. God gave us all separate consciousness and personhood for a reason. Could it be for self autonomy? I don’t control other people not when people have minds and legs and hands and can seek to know for themselves.

            Einstein said intelligent people can change their minds.

            Have a great life. Cya!