The Cross: Where Judgment And Mercy Meet

The Cross: Where Judgment And Mercy Meet April 15, 2019

Jesus’ sinless life and death on the cross are where judgment and mercy meet.

The Judgment

“God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Thess 15:9).

The Apostle Paul writes about those who are practicing evil deeds which is only serving to store up more wrath against the Day of Judgment (Rom 2:5), so there will be a day when God “will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury” (Rom 2:6-8). For those who have been brought to repentance and faith in Christ, they can rejoice because it is “Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come” (1 Thess 1:10). This means that “God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Thess 15:9). Notice that God has not appointed us who trust in Christ to His wrath; a wrath that will come upon all who reject the truth that Jesus is Lord and Savior and they are sinners in need of saving. It is only those who are self-seeking and not seeking after Jesus Christ and His righteousness (Matt 6:33) that will receive what they have sown in this life. The judgment of God will only be stopped by the work of Christ on the cross, but you must humble yourself and confess your sins before God and put your trust in Christ. That is the point when the wrath of God will “pass over” you, but as the Scriptures teach, “for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury” (Rom 2:6-8).

Mercy

The thief on the cross trusted in Jesus very late in his life. He never had a chance to go to attend synagogue, do any good deeds, or have anything to offer to God. Even so, Jesus promised him that that he would be with Him in Paradise (Luke 23:43), but in all honesty, all of us are the thief on the cross. We might have trusted in Christ years ago, but we were all just as in need of God’s mercy as the thief was. The Apostle Paul levels the playing field in that we’re all cut off from God and fallen infinitely short of His glory (Rom 3:23). The foot of the cross is level ground where every single person stands at the same level. God makes no distinction between us (Acts 15:7-9) because of Christ, but also makes no distinction between those who naturally sin less and those who naturally (or desire to) sin more. We’ve all earned the wages of death, but thank God through our Lord Jesus Christ, that He also offers eternal life (Rom 6:23), so it takes only one sin to condemn us, but only One to set us free (John 8:36).

Dying for Enemies

The Apostle Paul writes in Romans 5:6-8 that “while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person— (like the Thief on the Cross) though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die (like Abraham or Moses)— but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” What greater mercy is there than to have a Holy God (Jesus) die for wicked sinners? Jesus told the disciples, “Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends” (John 15:13). Even as those who crucified Him watched, He prayed, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do” (Luke 23:43). I remember where Jesus taught us, “Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you” (Luke 6:27-28). He also testified, “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep” (John 10:11). It is abundantly clear from Scripture that “God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). That’s where God’s judgment on sin landed; Jesus Christ, but that’s also where God’s mercy was revealed, “For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for man” (Mark 10:45). No one took it from Him…He willingly laid it down (John 10:18).

Compassion

Jude writes about witnessing in two different ways. We should “have mercy on those who doubt” (Jude 1:22), and many do doubt. Some doubt that God could possibly save them. They think they’ve done too much, and can’t come as they are. They often wait until they can clean their lives up, but that will never happen until they come to Christ. It’s not trying to get holy and then come to Jesus, but it’s coming to Jesus and being accounted as holy before God (2 Cor 5:21). Then Jude tells us to “save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh” (Jude 1:23). Listen to the caring compassion that Jesus has. It says, “When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd” (Matt 9:36). Do we have such a heart for the lost? Are we willing to leave the 99 and seek the one that is lost? If not us, then who? Paul may have put it best by telling us to “be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God” (Eph 5:1-2). This life gives us opportunity to show the world who Jesus’ disciples are (John 13:34-35). We don’t retaliate or “get even,” but rather, as Jesus said, “Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you” (Luke 6:27-28).  These verses were worth repeating!

Conclusion

Humans may have many definitions of love, but the Bible tells us what love really is, and it is a verb…it is what you do, and for us who believe, it is what Jesus did. Love is not a greeting card, a love letter, or a big kiss. Those are byproducts of love, but they are not love in themselves. Love is displayed in action. Jesus lived a sinless life, gave His life as a sacrifice for us to receive eternal life, then offered the free gift of eternal life (Eph 2:8-9). And even though we were dead in our sins (Eph 2:1-7), being ungodly, wicked enemies of God, Jesus died for us (Rom 5:6-10)! Believers have grasped where the judgment of God stopped and the mercy of God started, and it was at the cross. There is no greater love possible than for Jesus Himself to die for unworthy sinners. Here’s why grace is such an amazing thing. He did not give us what we deserved (His wrath); He gave us what we needed (His mercy).

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is a Pastor and Prison Minister in the State of Kansas. Jack is also a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • Matthew 22:39

    The Pagan Origins of the Catholic Church by Dr Ernest L Martin
    http://www.hope-of-israel.org/simonmagus.html

    • Aren’t all the churches really pagan, operating under some guise of mythical holiness? It’s not just the Catholic Church that has “pagan Origins”. Don’t they also all talk religious mumbo jumbo?

  • pud

    The more you write the more insane you get.

    Demonstrate that ANYTHING you have ever babbled is actually true. ANYTHING!

    • Matthew 22:39

      Goodbye. I think in the Spirit all the time. I prove that to myself by exhorting this blog. That is demonstrating a spiritual gift and your objections do not over rule my demonstration.

      Got that pud?

      You had better make your peace with God and let Him raise you the right way while you still have time.

      And Be Blessed for a change before you self destruct. Madalyn Murray O’Hair self destructed and brought almost her whole house down except one of her sons turned Christian escaped.

      Be Blessed
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gaZvzR4YmAU

      May His Grace Abound To You!

      You have been watching me and Wellman and others demonstrate the spiritual gift of teaching and exhortation for a long time now on this blog but did not recognize them.

      You need to receive proper training on the scriptures and can’t because you refused to obey God and repent.

      • pud

        OH NO!! Better hurry or else!!

      • “I think in the Spirit all the time”.

        You mean that you don’t think, at least, not rationally. Your thinking “in the Spirit” is actually thinking out of your imagination and applying this to the bible. You deny historical-critical biblical scholarship, so your views don’t agree with mainline Christian views but with idiosyncratic Christian views developed by cultists.

        • Matthew 22:39

          Sorry but I no longer feel I should engage in religious dialog with atheists who think they can lecture Christians.

          If your heart isn’t right with God why would I worry about arguing doctine and other technicalities with you?

          I used to argue to help correct people’s views so they could be saved but no longer.

          One’s heart is a very personal issue and a person has to know to guard it and be discriminating about the ideas it absorbs.

          Why would I welcome discussion with people who aren’t even discriminating enough to follow God’s direction to repent?

          I am deleting the account again and taking off.

          Christians have authority from God to deliver His Gospel and messages and some have the spiritual gifts of teaching and exhortation. I don’t believe an atheist has this authority or spiritual gifts so I refuse to submit to them any longer.

          You may think you know something by virtue of having gone to a seminary but callings come from God and authority on the scriptures is drawn from Christ.

          And for those reasons since you buck God’s authority this comments section should be shut down because maybe not everyone realizes that God qualifies those He calls.

          Get that? God qualifies those He calls.

          Down through history a lot of people entered churches to take up positions in it without a calling from God. It happened a lot in Catholicism where second sons with no callings entered the Church.

          So if you want to be taken seriously by a Christian on the scriptures then try being a Christian first.

          I wish you well. But just throwing open discussion and letting the uncalled people think they can challenge people with actual callings is pure nonsense.

          The authority on the Bible is God but He allows believers to tap into His authority in Jesus’ name . Some are His elected representatives on Earth and those representatives could only come from believers’ ranks.

          That’s why Ehrman is not an authority on the Bible any longer. He’s no longer a believer.

          Leaving again soon. Just stopped by to praise God but no reason to stay here. I am a fish out of water. A universal reconciliationist on an eternal tormentist blog and I am not going to shut up and refuse to tell the truth so I had better find likeminded people or other things to do.

          I hope you see the light.

          • “I am not going to shut up and refuse to tell the truth.”

            The trouble with you is that because you have a bible and because you believe that God inspired the book, you think that you infallibly know what the truth is. So you do not shut up and refuse to tell what you consider to be the truth. You go ahead and pontificate your version of the “truth”.

            You seem to lack any ability to distinguish between inspiration and interpretation. Inerrancy is not guaranteed for interpretation: you or anyone else. You lack humility and though you say that you don’t want to debate, you push your views onto others without any rational justification. Do you expect those who disagree with you to acquiesce in what you have said as if you are a protestant pope? Why shouldn’t we have the right to reply to you?

          • Matthew 22:39

            Outta here. Deleted the account.

          • Good! We won’t have to read your B/S.

          • “God qualifies those he calls.”

            Well, one thing for sure is that you are not qualified to speak about the bible on behalf of an alleged being called God. You are totally ignorant of mainstream biblical scholarship. This isn’t something you can call Bart Ehrman. He did his Ph.D in theology from Princeton Theological Seminary, one of the world’s top seminaries. Although talk about God is probably B/S, at least he knows (unlike you) how to do it properly.

          • Matthew 22:39

            Lol….Ehrman fell away. That means his calling was non-existent. He most likely just regurgitated things he learned from actual Bible scholars like Metzger.

            Once he fell he should have changed professions because he was no longer abiding in Christ which makes him a false authority.

            Christians do have certain basic standards like abiding in Christ that they are suppose to meet.

            If you want to consult a false authority on the Bible go ahead.

            You came onto an evangelical blog touting a man as an expert who forfeited his authority when he fell and you’re not even discerning enough to realize it.

            A lot of atheists do the same. Tout Ehrman so they can refuse to obey God. When Ehrman has no standing in Jesus so how can he be a legitimate authority on biblical matters? A counterfeit can look like an original but fools people not alert to key differences.

            He’s a false counterfeit and you fell for him.

            I on the other hand have never fallen away from God no matter how much my beliefs are refined. That is what a fine Christian belief system is suppose to do. Refine people. God’s way.

            What I was suppose to stay on the orthodox track for fear of being slandered?

            The righteous will be persecuted. See 2 Timothy 3:12.

            Who elected the pope or the emperors of Rome arbiters of Christian doctrine.

            Martin Luther challenged the pope at a risk to his life.

            I hope you see the light.

          • It’s you who needs to “see the light”. You need to recognize that the biblical authors of the Gospels use myth as a literary form. Jesus was a normal human being, not a mythical superman. Virgins don’t give birth. Mary had a shotgun wedding. The unknown author of the Gospel of Mark (writing about 70 CE) knows nothing of any virgin birth story. Nor does the author of the Gospel of John (written in the 90s) mention it. Paul doesn’t mention it in any of his letters (CE 50- CE 62). Only the unknown authors of the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke have this mythical story.

            Stories of a dead man coming back to life and after 40 days floating into the sky defy the laws of physics. These are also myths. But you, as a fundamentalist, fall hook, line and sinker for these stories as if they are literal. It’s no wonder that you are a religious crackpot! So, did God call you to crackpottery? Unlike you, Bart Ehrman doesn’t fall for these myths.

        • pud

          They are all completely irrational.

          • Matthew 22:39

            You let sin rule you. That is not reasonable.

            Goodbye. I am leaving now. Troll away but people will just ignore you because people tend to blow off insane people as insane.

            You desperately need to repent and let Jesus restore love, peace and joy which are order in your thoughtlife.

            I only lasted this long with you because God gave me a counselor personality type. I am an InFJ and ESTJ cross personality type.

            Be sure to re-evaluate everything from God’s perspective. You are loved by God you know but the devil is trying to make you look at everything backwards or the wrong way so he can continue to rule you.

            Love Jesus, repent and put on the full armor of God now!

            And never leave the devil a foothold. He tries to maintain a foothold through worldly influences and our flesh nature.

            But read Paul’s directive in Philippians 3 and put no confidence in the flesh.

            We are all in a body of death born to die one day.

            But Jesus gives us new life.

            You be sure to latch on to Jesus and let God do a work in you and make you into a whole new person and you will feel better.

            Just repent, put on the Armor like it says at the end of Ephesians and take it one day at a time while the Spirit leads you on your journey through life under God’s protection.

            God loves everyone all the time. Whether they realize it or not.

            You take a step towards Jesus. Read Romans 10. Acknowledge him and let him destroy sin and the devil’s foothold on you.

            Blessings on you pud! You will convert one day. The Word doesn’t come back void.

            Have a great life. Leaving for other pastures now.

          • Yes! you are right!

    • Matthew 22:39

      Demonstrate that you are sane. You let Satan and sin rule over you.

      I am not taking your word for it. Look at your bad behavior on this board. You already publicly admitted you have a problem with sexual sins and see nothing wrong with them.

      You like your moral impurity.

      But sanity displays more holy characteristics than you display.

      I am sorry to have to be so personally truthful but you need a reality check.

      Nobody was more sane than Jesus. But insane worldly people executed him any way.

      What’s your sanity worth to you? Since you always act like your’s is marginal sitting up here obsessively on a message board where you are no longer welcome.

      Repent. Then come back otherwise Satan gets to rule you.

  • pud

    Clearly psychotic.

    • Matthew 22:39

      No I am not psychotic. I am confident of my belief in God and Jesus.

      God can do anything. Nothing is impossible with God.

      He even changed blaspheming, out of his mind angry Saul on the Road to Damascus.

      Commit yourself to Him fearlessly and humbly and ask Him to change you.

      Faith is a growth process. God is building a new spirit in you. So stop resisting your own spiritual progress and get your heart right with God.

      You will be a stronger person with your new spirit but you will have to feed it like a dependent baby is fed…on God’s Word.

      Don’t let this world kill your baby spirit.

      You are too important to God to keep refusing to heed Jesus. Go read the Sermon on the Mount and ask him to turn you into His true disciple and mean it.

      • pud

        Demonstrate that anything in the above babble is actually true.

  • tovlogos

    Perfect, Jack — “Jesus’ sinless life and death on the cross are where judgment and mercy meet”.Yes, indeed;
    and, though necessary, it is a symbol of perfect Love colliding with this painful curse of sin.

    • Matthew 22:39

      God’s will will prevail.

      Concerning God’s Eonian Purpose:

      The Scriptures speak of God’s wisdom, in a secret, designated before the eons (1 Cor.2:7), His own purpose and grace before eonian times (2 Tim.1:9), and life promised before eonian times (Titus 1:2). Each eon (aiõn) has its own world (cosmos, system), and they synchronize (Eph.2:2). God is King of the eons (1 Tim.1:17), and made them through Christ (Heb.1:2). Five epochal eons can be found. The first two eons are not mentioned, but their corresponding worlds are. Two eons are impending (Eph.2:7), and we are living in the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4). They have consummations (1 Cor.10:11) and a conclusion (Heb.9:26). God is the Saviour of all mankind at the consummation, but especially of believers during the eons (1 Tim.2:4; 4:10). At the consummation, we find all saved, justified (Rom.5:18), vivified (1 Cor.15:22; 1 Tim, 6:13), and all the estranged reconciled (Col, 1:20). Death will be abolished (2 Tim.1:10; 1 Cor.15:26), sin having been repudiated (cf Heb.9:26), and God will be All in all (1 Cor.15:28).

      • tovlogos

        Adam, Abraham, At the consummation, we find all saved, justified (Rom.5:18) — presumably, you realize the justification will not be given
        to “all men”, since there is only justification in Christ, and to those who receive Him, exegetically speaking, notwithstanding, sanctification follows Justification.
        Also, the point of Ephesians 2:7 is His gifts, the spiritual message is not to objectify Eons, i.e, His riches in His grace, more than time sequences. Romans 10;9 places Jesus and Saviour, and 2 Cor. 5:10 reckons Him as Judge — is it any wonder that demons were in abject terror when in proximity to Him, throughout the gospels? — when they look at HIm they look in horror at their destiny.
        We could look at the 9 primary eras of the OT, consisting of the Creation, the days of the Patriarchs, Exodus, Joshua’s
        conquest, and the same for the NT, and so on… but I have a specific approach to witnessing the Gospel in which I do not
        intersperse epochs with spiritual messages; albeit, time sequences may come later or as appropriate.
        “Each eon (aiõn) has its own world (cosmos, system),” I wouldn’t characterize eons that way — I see all temporal phenomenon
        as having a spiritual undertow, or as it were, overtow — in other words, the bare rudiments of present existence consist of the spiritual world and the temporal existence. There is eternal Spirit and there is the creation. This fact is what I try to keep in mind at all times.
        I am also fully aware that you do not believe Jesus is equal to the Father, as well as the Holy Spirit — as is your option, ultimately, you and I will take different forks in the road which will be irreconcilable. Blessings to you.

        • Matthew 22:39

          Sorry to bother you. I see you like many Christians find it impossible to get out of the shadow of traditional organized religion’s theology and simply recognize that God does everything according to the counsel of His own will. See Ephesians 1:11 on it.

          I am quite sure some people have a better understanding of God’s revealed will than others.

          It’s really too bad Catholicism was allowed to impose so many erroneous theological constructions on people for so long.

          But it’s the relationship with Christ that is important. Not belief in damnation. See 1 John 4 on it. There is no theological requirement to believe in a fear doctrine to be a Christian.

          Faith is placed in God through Christ.

          There’s no requirement to believe in the Trinity the way Catholicism articulated it either no matter how many people assented to it and try to force their theological views on others.

          A strong minded Christian can acquire his own views of the Bible and God’s plan over time by studying it on his own.

          Spiritual unity is in Christ not in creeds. The Bible is a multilevel book that encourages spiritual growth.

          Don’t let the dogmatism of other people keep you stopped on one level.

          The Spirit is higher than the letter.

          2 Cor. 3:6
          He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant–not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

          Zeal is higher than knowledge but zeal with knowledge is better.

          You have to work to understand God on your own not let other people’s mental shortcomings prevent you from coming into a better understanding of Him.

          The negative cast some people give on the scriptures may be coming from their own minds.

          Why would you let someone’s negativity prevent you from understanding the bigger picture?

          Some people believe in a little God.

          Some people believe in a big God.

          The Bible is the divine word. How does God call Jesus the Savior of all men and fail to accomplish that?

          People lost track of the Doctrine of the Ages.

          It’s hard for people to hold in their heads and memories all of God’s plan so they start to take doctrinal shortcuts and teach these to people.

          Better to compare various schools of theology and compare them to the scriptures.

          There are multiple schools of unified theology.

          That’s why I like the book “The Sacred Secrets of the Sovereignty of God”. It corrects Arminianism and Calvinism and explains predestination more accurately than Calvin did.

          Or Creation’s Jubilee. Explaining the thelema and the boulema. The will and the plan of God not over crediting free will like the eternal tormentists do trying to justify eternal torment.

          God doesn’t have to torment most of humanity.

          And sin won’t win over Him. It might look like it in the short run but He has a better long range plan that most theology schools don’t teach.

          Have a blessed day!

        • Matthew 22:39

          See I am spammed by another person most likely the atheist John Arthur again while having a sidebar conversation with another Christian.

          This is why the comments section should be closed and apologetics as a profession is so misleading.

          The authority on the scriptures is sacred and derives from Jesus Christ.

          It’s not to be disputed by unbelievers. They can stay in their own communities if they haven’t got enough respect for God to hear His perspective delivered by His representatives on Earth. The prophets were His representatives and that function of prophetic teaching and exhortation has now been given to His devout Christian followers known as disciples. Not to the pastors alone but to the disciples.

          The way Catholicism tried to repose all authority in one person i.e. the pope is not biblical.

          Every one of these atheists should read up on the believer’s authority and where it derives from.

          It’s bad enough God’s people have to surf immature teaching and false prophets while in this world but being required to have to dialog with the unauthoritative as if they are authoritative is the last deception.

          If you deny the Resurrection and that Jesus came in the flesh you have an antichrist spirit.

          Why should someone with an antichrist spirit be allowed to silence a representative from God.

          The truth is people’s hearts are desperately wicked just like the Bible says and without the Gospel these wicked ones have no chance at all. Satan will continue to rule them through their thoughtlives.

          That doesn’t mean a holy person should allow them to rule them or be silenced.

          Here is my post that an atheist spammed. Most likely Arthur because I reject certain people or institutions as being too worldly to share God’s perspective with now because they are flat out wrong in spirit and only want to mock God and the people devoted to Him.

          God changed the world with one person: Jesus and He has done it again over and over through Francis of Assisi, Martin Luther, etc.

          So why do these unbelievers say God cannot change people who will then change the world?
          Nonsense…They just refuse to submit to the supremely just and merciful authority of God.

          The post spammed was:

          7 hours ago
          Detected as spam Thanks, we’ll work on getting this corrected.
          Sorry to bother you. I see you like many Christians find it impossible to get out of the shadow of traditional organized religion’s theology and simply recognize that God does everything according to the counsel of His own will. See Ephesians 1:11 on it.
          I am quite sure some people have a better understanding of God’s revealed will than others.
          It’s really too bad Catholicism was allowed to impose so many erroneous theological constructions on people for so long.
          But it’s the relationship with Christ that is important. Not belief in damnation. See 1 John 4 on it. There is no theological requirement to believe in a fear doctrine to be a Christian.
          Faith is placed in God through Christ.
          There’s no requirement to believe in the Trinity the way Catholicism articulated it either no matter how many people assented to it and try to force their theological views on others.
          A strong minded Christian can acquire his own views of the Bible and God’s plan over time by studying it on his own.
          Spiritual unity is in Christ not in creeds. The Bible is a multilevel book that encourages spiritual growth.
          Don’t let the dogmatism of other people keep you stopped on one level.
          The Spirit is higher than the letter.
          2 Cor. 3:6
          He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant–not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
          Zeal is higher than knowledge but zeal with knowledge is better.
          You have to work to understand God on your own not let other people’s mental shortcomings prevent you from coming into a better understanding of Him.
          The negative cast some people give on the scriptures may be coming from their own minds.
          Why would you let someone’s negativity prevent you from understanding the bigger picture?
          Some people believe in a little God.
          Some people believe in a big God.
          The Bible is the divine word. How does God call Jesus the Savior of all men and fail to accomplish that?
          People lost track of the Doctrine of the Ages.
          It’s hard for people to hold in their heads and memories all of God’s plan so they start to take doctrinal shortcuts and teach these to people.
          Better to compare various schools of theology and compare them to the scriptures.
          There are multiple schools of unified theology.
          That’s why I like the book “The Sacred Secrets of the Sovereignty of God”. It corrects Arminianism and Calvinism and explains predestination more accurately than Calvin did.
          Or Creation’s Jubilee. Explaining the thelema and the boulema. The will and the plan of God not over crediting free will like the eternal tormentists do trying to justify eternal torment.
          God doesn’t have to torment most of humanity.
          And sin won’t win over Him. It might look like it in the short run but He has a better long range plan that most theology schools don’t teach.
          Have a blessed day. – end post

          I am going to walk away from this blog now rendering the more controlling atheist trolls powerless.

          I can deliver the Gospel anywhere now without fear of anybody or of illegal human authorities so why waste all my time here unwelcome and unwanted.

          pud and Arthur, etc. have lost this round. I will go on mission trips and maybe start a church. God already let me beat cancer so why not? And I only get more obedient to Christ and agree with God more and more over time.

          My spirit is unbowed to this antichrist spirit of confusion attempting to spread itself all over the Net.

          Thanks be to God and all the glory.

          God’s Word still works in this world on God’s obedient people and always will.

          Our existence IS the argument that ends all argument.

          Christians are God’s peace messengers.

          We just have to identify those ready and willing to make their peace with God in this lifetime.

          The rest can seek.

          Arguing isn’t peaceful.

          It takes 2 to argue so I will walk away now and render pud, Arthur, Brien, et al powerless to change me.

          I am a spiritual person. I think like a truly spiritual person so they never had a chance at changing me or my mind.

          Already survived around 400 of them’s attempts to deconvert me and am still going strong. That is Jesus in me.

          He who is within me is greater than he who is in the world.

          God bless you and continue to keep your peace. Oh they want to break you and take it but they can’t.

          Not from people who fully surrendered to God and put on His full armor.

          That armor is Jesus and Jesus always emerges victorious!

          All praise, glory and honor to our Father God!

          • I did not spam you. Why should I? I am not afraid of what you say. You say it was most probably me who spammed you, but you offer NO evidence whatsoever. You trumpet your guesses as if they are facts. Another name for what you are doing is “lying”. You are a liar for Jesus, a Jesus of your own imagination.

          • You’ve got tickets on yourself. You are not a prophet of God but a false prophet of your heretical dogma. You deny the Christian dogma of the Trinity. You deny the Christian dogma relating to hell as a place of eternal punishment, yet you claim to be a spokesperson for Christianity. Judged by mainstream Christian standards you are a false prophet.

        • pud

          You’re more insane than he is

        • Matthew 22:39

          Just spam them tovlogos or block them when they say you are crazy.

          Why let Satan talk to you through them?

          They heard the Gospel and repudiated it.

          They will have to reap what they have sown in their thoughtlives which is a lack of peace and sanity.

          That’s why they go around accusing the more peaceful, sane people of insanity.

          Some of them are so far gone a saint can’t even reason with them any more as you see everyday on this blog.

          Their insanity sooner or later always emerges as ad hominem, spamming, trolling, continuous controversy, blaming, blasphemy, complaining, banning, mockery, etc.

          The atheists obviously need a new nature but they let their sin and rebellion own their thoughtlives.

          Who rejects the Prince of Peace to let the devil own their thoughtlives? Satan is a dictator and motivates people to serve evil sin.

          God warnes us to never even let Satan get so much as a foothold.

          Imagine what happens when you let Satan hole up in your heart and mind.

          If you wouldn’t harbor a termite in your house then why would you harbor Satan and sin?

          Block and spam them all tovlogos.

          They only want to communicate evil to you because they gave up on themselves spiritually when they refused to love, honor and obey Jesus.

          What’s a man or woman without spirit? Without moral courage?

          Nothing that I would want to be that’s for sure.

          Have a blessed day. You are right to ignore them. They only want to do you a mischief.

          • tovlogos

            Hi Matt
            “Sorry to bother you. I see you like many Christians find it impossible to get out of the shadow of traditional organized religion’s theology”.Wrong of course.
            The bottom line is we have a “distinct difference” — the difference is theologically rudimentary; and I believe the difference will not carry us to the same place after we leave this earth. We will probably disagree on the meaning of Mark 10:18, a Jehovah’s Witness’ favorite — As Jesus started on His way, a man ran up and knelt before Him. “Good Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Why do you call Me good? Jesus replied. No one is good except God alone. The key word…exegesis. Charles Russell had a difficult time grasping the Trinity — solution? the JW’s, which he spread all over the world to its detriment.
            Nevertheless, I don’t hold my differences with other people against them (that would be sinful) — we are all on the same planet and we must help one another. Take care, Matt.

          • Matthew 22:39

            You have a great day, too. I used to believe in the Trinity too until I saw doctrinal comparisons on it and the truth is it’s not necessary to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian. Read 1 John 4.

            1 Cor. 12:1-3:

            1Now concerninga spiritual gifts,b brothers,c I do not want you to be uninformed. 2You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. 3Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

            I say Jesus is Lord all the time.

            So believing in the Trinity doesn’t control things.

            Here’s Peter saying:
            Matthew 16:16 New International Version (NIV)

            16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

            God is a Family, not a Trinity.

            You ought to read this one:

            Chapter 3 – The Truth of the God Family, God the Father & God the Son
            https://godsplanforall.com/free-online-book/part-i/chapter-3-the-seven-foundational-biblical-truths/

            The truth is we inherited the doctrine of the Trinity from Catholicism. It’s a sacred cow and people are too afraid to check into it but a Berean checks the scriptures to see if a matter is so.

            Jesus had a starting point in time. He was born before the world was created. That doesn’t mean he was eternal just pre-existing creation.

            Have a blessed day. Our minds are free so if you want to believe in a “trinity” go ahead. I prefer believing in the family of God.

          • tovlogos

            Agreed that our minds are free to believe as we prefer based on our studies, and yes I believe in the family of God.
            The passages you have referenced from time to time, I am familiar. Here is a classic example of how the JWs have
            obscured the word of God: (John 1:1) Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος… the literal translation — In the beginning was the Logos/word, and the Logos was with the God, and God was the word.”
            Every sentence has two parts — the subject which names the person or thing uppermost in mind and the predicate which makes an assertion about the subject.
            The predicate may be a noun, pronoun (for ex. I am yours), or an adjective… Theos en ho logos — In English we switch the last part of the sentence to read: “…and the word was God” because the Word with the definite article is the subject Theos/God (the same God in the first part of the sentence) is the predicate. To put the indefinite article “a” in front of “Theos”, as the JW’s do, makes no sense grammatically; but they do that to “change the meaning”. Now we could go through every passage concerning this issue and form a linear exegetical case for their equality — this change smacks of an Agenda…When the JW’s were tested in a court of law in Great Britain, it was discovered that no one knew one single word of either Greek or Hebrew; Charles Russell had a visitation from “heaven knows who”, which is how the new translation was developed — the same goes for Joseph Smith of the Mormons. Your perception is along the lines of theirs. That’s the last thing I will say about this subject. Take care, Matt

          • Matthew 22:39

            I’m not sure why you brought up the Jehovah Witnesses. A universal reconciliationist is not a JW.

          • tovlogos

            Sure, I know, I was simply drawing the similarity in ideologies whereby Jesus is removed from where we
            firmly believe , and ready to back up theologically, His due position. (I also mentioned the Mormons), I didn’t mean to imply that you were a JW — there are differences… I don’t close the door in their faces, I talk to them.

          • Matthew 22:39

            So do I. I went round and round online day and night for 6 weeks on the Christian Crier with the Jehovah’s Witness named GoodScienceForYou.

            The trinity is an unexplainable mystery but God is not the author of confusion.

            After at first accepting the Trinity I later came across better theological explanations by the great bible researcher Ernest L. Martin and also by the people who wrote the free ebook God’s Plan for All.

            One of the purposes of the Bible is to reveal mysteries and I believe Martin and others have explained the family of God better than Catholicism or traditional religion did.

            Aren’t we all going from revelation to revelation when we lovingly accept Jesus?

            Don’t let anyone stop God’s revelations to you.

            Some church officials like some of the popes were quite controlling on revelation. They wouldn’t even allow the Bible to be translated into the vernacular. They burned Tyndale at the stake for it and dug up Wycliffe’s body 50 years after he died and burned it and scattered his bones.

            Have a great day.

          • tovlogos

            Hey, Matt — ‘The trinity is an unexplainable mystery but God is not the author of confusion.” I believe it’s fairly easy to comprehend if one can become “spiritual”…without this awakening (John 3:3,5) trying to understand the message of the HS is like speaking to a person in a foreign language you have never studied. It’s so infinite we must have help from the HS, John 16:7-15; and we “must” pray spiritually, John 4:24. The question is, How do we pray spiritually?
            The Bible is multilayered and dense — the translation, the original languages, the theological layer, the the grammatical nuances; it cannot be completely comprehended because the message leads to infinity; but it can be far more than enough to teach with a hard study and conformity to the image and pattern of Jesus — that’s the ticket to the HS coming to your life.

          • Matthew 22:39

            I’m sure He’s already here but not everyone thinks identically. We’re all originals.

          • tovlogos

            a’gain, I disagree — as I said we would, because we have a major rudimentary difference — your ideology is one of many that thinks you are so unique; I believe we are individuals but all in Adam and Eve’s gene pool. So we all have a similarity but we all
            have the basics in common — no one has ever come up with something that didn’t arise thousands of times before.
            sometime it may appear that we are utterly unique bc we arrived at a thought that you we may have never read before.
            God is Unique, His Logos/intelligence is unique; and He doesn’t change bc one cannot improve upon perfection, however, we never stop changing because we desperately need improvement at all times. The Godhead is our pattern and because we are dense humans, if God didn’t come down, hold our hands and give us a tangible understanding of spiritual things (John 21:25), we never would have grasped, John 14:7-9…

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Well let’s agree to disagree then. Yes, all are sinners but no 2 people are perfectly identical. Not even identical twins. I once knew 2 identical twins and they had facial differences and differences in height. Too many factors come into play to make each person a unique work for God and an original is always worth more than a copy and God works on us, in us and through us all.

            Regarding the Trinity no where does the Bible say one must believe it. It is just an orthodox idea fed us by rote that was forced onto everyone so we cease to check the scriptures on it but a few have.

            God is not a Trinity only. He is adding to His family daily.

            Look at this verse:
            1 John 5:5 New International Version (NIV)

            5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

            Have a blessed day. No need to worry or disagree. God is in control for those abiding in Him. For those not abiding in Jesus I am not so sure but that’s why we give them the Gospel so they can have the assurance of a living hope.

          • tovlogos

            Hi Susan — Worry? Not a chance, thanks for your response. You read it as you see it, as I will.
            I read that Jesus and the Father are One — John 10:30…One is derived from “heis”, neuter…not expressing a gender.
            In the Greek sense, that speaks of the essence (one must think spiritually in order to begin contemplating the majesty of God) they are uniquely the same such if you have seen the Son (John 14:9) you have seen the Father — which no created being can possibly say.
            They don’t change because it would be like trying to improve perfection (Hebrews 13:8). thus theologically, Jesus contains the fulness of the Godhead, The Father contains the fullness of the Godhead, and likewise the Spirit.
            Likewise, take a look at 1 Corinthians 2:10: “10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God…From my perspective it is safe to say no created being can even contemplate doing that… so, call it what you like, I have more than enough information to believe as I do. So, Blessings to you forever.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Well I really need to spend more time finding out those ancient Hebrew and Greek word meanings.

            But I believe as long as you acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God then you can be saved. Both the Trinitarian and the Non-Trinitarian view could be considered correct. But in any case there should be no schisms or church people killing other church people over this difference of opinion. John Calvin had Severus killed over this disagreement over the Trinity.

            Christianity is a revealed religion and it seems to me some Christians are more enlightened and better able to interpret revelation than other Christians. Still zeal over the scriptures should not lead to bloodshed. God wouldn’t want it. God wouldn’t even let Dietrich Bonhoeffeur kill Satan incarnate Hitler. God doesn’t like blood spilled whether it is holy or unholy blood. Plus God has a set time and date in the future that only He knows when He will toss the devil into the Lake of Fire and be done with him.

            Until then good Christian disciples can only cast him out. So it is a good thing in my opinion that Bonhoeffer was executed (though on the surface it may not seem like it) because then he did not compromise his discipleship status by shedding blood. Even an evil person’s blood. And I think Bonhoeffer got that message from God, too, because he went to his death like a lamb without protesting the will of God.

            Why would both the Trinitarian and Non-Trinitarian views be correct? This is only my opinion but I believe it is because how the human mind works. Some people are more linearly, logical thinkers but others are more multiline intuitive type thinkers.

            Revelation always involves the human mind. The human mind has to make sense of the received revelation and one mind type may not be able to force the way it perceives things onto the other type of thinker.

            I suspect many atheists are linear thinking so may tend towards making sense of Jesus through a Non-Trinitarian view.

            Whereas other people are more intuitive and tend towards a Trinitarian view.

            This is why studying doctrine for oneself is so important. Initially people are led and introduced to Jesus then they have to acquire and refine their understanding of him through scripture.

            If you attempt to forcefeed your view on anyone then they could rebel under sin’s prompting and kick Jesus out of their consciousness.

            That’s why the scriptures say to study to be an approved man.

            People are to win God’s approval not other men’s. God pleasing is more important than men pleasing in the scheme of things.

            Have a blessed day! I appreciate having a pleasant conversation for a change.

          • tovlogos

            The original languages are the inspired text so the couldn’t hurt.
            Fair enough, however the reason I disagree is because I find it impossible to repeated study Scripture and not see the exegetical undertow of of equality.
            Acts 17:11 — 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true; as well as, 2 timothy 3:16…and for example, 2 Peter 1:20; or, 2 Timothy 2:15 — Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman who accurately handles the word of truth…and so on…demands that we compare Scripture with Scripture to find the full picture of passages that may not be obvious at first. So, study, we search, pray, fast, witness… Doing this, I personally, cannot avoid the Scriptural impact
            of the Trinity; (the discipline of theology further enhances comprehension) therefore, some of the reasons I disagree with you position here — “Both the Trinitarian and the Non-Trinitarian view could be considered correct…” So, I’m speaking for myself, many agree and many disagree; and so be it.

          • tovlogos

            I love you with ll my heart, with His holy love.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Thank you.

            Have a blessed day.

            For some reason another post of mine to you got spammed.

            Apparently this blog’s comment section is to be forced to serve an atheist agenda.

            So take advantage of speaking up for God in the real world.

            Why let anyone take away your freedom of speech to serve antichrist purposes?

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Your loving kindness mean the world to me. Thank you again, tovlogos, for expressing Christian love towards me in an appropriate manner.

            I was reviled and insulted and spat on for years while trying to deliver the Gospel on atheist blogs. They wished death on me, trolled me, slandererd me and intentionally misquoted me just because I tried to reach them with God’s love. They even broke into my email. I was banned repeatedly by atheists and they erased two of my blogs. Now someone is spamming my posts on the Christian Crier to deny my freedom of speech.

            I am a teacher-preacher-counselor personality type in Jesus and that is what we do. We talk a lot so people can get Jesus and learn how to be doers.

            If that wasn’t enough abuse a faceless, nameless Christian called me a heretic once and some zealot Christian banned me from Christian chat. So people do get overly doctrinaire whether believers or unbelievers and like to deny you your freedom in Christ who came to set everyone free spiritually.

            So to you spammer out there: Go ahead spam me but know this. You persecuted Jesus Christ through me and through every other Christian you expressed an unkind thought towards.

            Suppression of freedom of speech through spamming to remove a poster’s post while intentionally targeting them is a hate crime.

            You should have blocked me if you hate God and me so much. At least it would have showed some self control. By spamming me continually to remove my posts you have made atheists around the world look like the angry militant zealots that only some of them are.

            Thanks spammer for spamming me. When you persecute me you look insanely angry to me but the glory of God rests on me.

            Yes, I do talk too much but it is because so many refuse to get their hearts right with God but love to abuse others while in that condition.

            If you are going to be abusive spammer I want you to know your abuse and social rejection did not hurt me. I am too well protected in Jesus and His armor to be hurt. But you hurt yourself and others besides me and God is taking notice of your actions.

            Have a blessed day spammer and thanks again for the Christian love, tovlogos. I appreciate it.

          • tovlogos

            I’m very sorry, but you sound strong — “Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone,” Col. 4:5-6(NIV)”
            This verse is for unbelievers; since you are a believer in Jesus — all the more to be kind to one another.
            So by definition people who treat you like that are not abiding by the rules of the Lord — simply as that.
            The fact is If we study for 100 years but do not have love — we are nothing from the perspective of heaven.
            “For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love. The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out, or you will be consumed by each other. Galatians 5:14; Matthew 22:40; and of course 1 Corinthians 13:1-2.
            We must all guard against losing it…when faced with hate — I know, it’s not easy at times — living in the curse is in fact painful. But we do have an extraordinary advantage.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            I know all that but thanks for the reminder and I probably am too strong but everyone is different.
            That’s why I am planning on shifting away from online dialogs. A lot of Christians aren’t putting the work in talking to unbelievers at all. I know Christians who recommend not talking to unbelievers at all.

            And I am not a carbon copy Christian. I am also very aware that some Christians are not getting out in the field at all.

            Do you know when you encounter resistance and have the chance to supply missing info to enlighten or correct someone is when you actually bothered to engage them?

            Sitting in a pew doesn’t get the Great Commission done.

            And this is spiritual darkness Christians attempt to break through. That could be a longer and harder break for some people.

            If you were a blind person would you rather have a strong lead or a weak one?

            Have a great day and thanks for the suggestion.

          • tovlogos

            I’ll say one thing — I find witnessing, if one is in the Spirit is an entirely different reality, assuming the person
            has some experience. The Spirit leads just as He led Philip to the Ethiopian…and often people can discern the Spirit in a one on one meeting, even if he has no knowledge of the Bible — I have no doubt you know this. From there all we need is God’s Love (John 21:15-17.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            You may be a lot better at it than me. But I do feel like most of the time I am in the Spirit and for some people it is the unusual that stands out and makes them start to meditate on things.

            I am trying to get an 86 year old irreligious Jew right now to go to a Messianic Jewish temple but he may be too set in his ways. But it could be the perfect fit for him and he may never have realized before that there are Jews who are followers of Jesus around today. He was already offended over religion before I got there but at least he has more options now and is thinking things over.

            You can’t let people’s “issues” stop you from telling the truth because almost everyone has issues and if it stopped Christians the truth would not get told.

          • tovlogos

            Right — Jewish ministries are important to me — as you probably know, there has been a huge growth
            in these ministries for several years; nothing that we did it’s simply growth as per prophecy when the churches
            would be leading toward victimization by a great Falling Away, and the Jews would begin to return…I understand that by now there are several hundred thousand in the world today and growing. After all, some branches were removed and other branches grafted in, but the roots have remained the same. Certainly one must be familiar with the Tanakh to have a viable witness in many cases; yet, as the Spirit leads many Jews have already have it in their hearts to draw closer to Jesus — humans don’t have a bird’s eye of heaven’s perspective but the Spirit leads. On the other hand Messianic churches and outreach programs have been quite successful in this effort. The local Spirit-filled outfit is traditionally the most successful — it’s organized, qualified, and supported.
            The bottom line, as I see it, I don’t worry about whom I’m going to save — we stay on the Narrow Path with all its ramifications
            and the Spirit leads…His leading is not always obvious, but staying in prayer, study, growing in wisdom/love, and staying active,
            the Spirit will continue to use you, for sure. Undoubtedly, you know to be anxious for nothing… “Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus (Phil. 4:5-7).

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            I haven’t spent enough time evangelizing Jews but there are many Jewish congregations now believing in Jesus. Sometimes I receive mailings from Jews for Jesus or other ministries like Jewish Voice Ministries reaching out to the Jews around the world and in Israel and even to some of the Lost Tribes in Ethiopia.Though I did get to attend a Jewish Voice Ministries conference once in a lovely setting.

            I think a good portion of the Lost Tribes made their way through the Caucasus mountains into Europe but you can find them in other places around the world, too. The Puritans called themselves The New Israelites. God always knew where these Lost Tribes were. Jeroboam corrupted them by leading them in to false worship but God always kept an eye on them I believe because He meant to continue His plan through them.

            God is still saving the world using His dedicated people but it does take some time to raise them to get them to observe His ways. People aren’t raised right in a single day
            and theology and the history of religion and the history of ideas, etc. is a lot to master.

            The main thing is you get Jesus so you can be love just like God is. God is love it flows naturally from His being. So when you abide in Jesus you are abiding in and abiding by His love, mercy and grace and showing it to all.

            Of course, people have trouble mentally comprehending who Jesus is so the course for a Christian can get bumpy in this world.

            Have a great day!

          • tovlogos

            Amen, and,

            Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
            Also, I would say, I don’t see Jeroboam per se as the reason for much since very few kings were considered righteous in God’s eyes, perhaps 8?; so, the theological underpinning has to do with the ruler of this world combined with the disobedience of mankind.
            It’s a bad joke to expect fallen people to fix a fallen world, not realizing that only a pure entity apart from the corrupting can see clearly enough to objectively fix this world — nevertheless, God has no intention to fix this world, it’s the people He intends to save from this world! People who do not see God due to lack of the HS think we’re crazy, which makes sense. They would have to have the HS in order to understand Him…and there we go again…they will need Jesus in order for that to happen.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Exactly you need Jesus to get the HS. My mother once told me she didn’t say certain things because people would think she was crazy but I don’t think I agree with that. Let them think we’re crazy. They haven’t proven their own sanity and we shouldn’t be afraid of public opinion.

            Evil spirits still exist in this world. I saw a video on them and read M. Scott Peck’s biographical account of them. Plus a friend told me to check out this Christian’s experience of demons in Ghana. I will look into it when I get the time.

            When people tell you they escaped various mood disorders when they trusted Jesus what’s that but the eviction of an evil spirit? Some could be biological but not all. Some people get worse on psyche meds or are never cured.

            There have been reports of epileptic spirits leaving people when they read the Bible consistently. Also faith and prayer promote healthy brains by spurring on the brain’s creation of neural connections and it’s good for the prefrontal cortex.

            Jeroboam was the king that led 10 of Israel’s tribes into idolatry and into a split from the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin. That’s a very serious offense but God was punishing Solomon’s son for Solomon’s wrongdoing and disobedience as well as punishing Rehoboam for his mistreatment of the Israelites. Sin has consequences. We may not always see the connection between sin and consequences but it’s always there.

            An interesting book to read on the spiritual roots of disease is called A More Excellent Way by Henry W. Wright. I don’t think he can map out all the spiritual connections on all diseases but he makes a stab at it. It is a very complicated subject.

            I think God is mainly interested in fixing people who He then wants to help Him save the world. We’re suppose to evangelize and perform charitable works. Sometimes Christian works lead to social progress and He can intervene in human affairs when He wants to. I know some people who claim He still does. If He makes a convert then He intervened in human affairs.

            But we will continue to have a lot of problems in this world until the Millenial Kingdom is set up.

    • pud

      The “perfect love” of ritual human blood magic sacrifice…ahhh nothing quite like it.

    • Jack Wellman

      Thank youi my friend.

  • Theodore A. Jones

    “For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.” Rom. 2:13