Whatever Happened To Humility?

Whatever Happened To Humility? April 26, 2019

Does it seem that humility is disappearing from society today and is being replaced with pride?

Opposed to the Proud

The antonym to pride is humility or humbleness, and this makes sense of James statement that “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble” (4:6). Grace is like water…it always seeks the lowest areas. It is those who are abased that will be exalted, but those who exalt themselves will be abased someday (Matt 23:12), however “The reward for humility and fear of the Lord is riches and honor and life” (Prov 22:4). Clearly, “humility comes before honor” (Prov 18:12). The order therefore is humility first…exaltation later…probably much later, like in the Kingdom, so James tells us, “Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you” (James 4:10). God tested ancient Israel by bringing them into and through the wilderness. The Word of God says that the Lord “has led you these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble you, testing you to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep his commandments or not” (Deut 8:2). David wrote, “You save a humble people, but your eyes are on the haughty to bring them down” (2 Sam 22:28). Time and time again, the people and kings of Israel and Judah humbled themselves, and scripture records the fact that “the wrath of the Lord turned from him, so as not to make a complete destruction” (2 Chron 2:12). Repentance takes humility, which is why God is opposed to the proud.

Persecution

It is better to humble ourselves voluntarily because if God does it for us, it’s a lot more painful. If we willingly humble ourselves, we’ll better endure the persecution or humiliation that comes from sharing Christ. It is unavoidable that people will be offended, but for some, it will be the sweet savor of eternal life, but others will be offended by it (2 Cor 2:15-17). People that are willing to suffer shame for the cause of Christ typically “have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind” (1 Pet 3:8). Humble people generally “Live in harmony with one another” and are not “haughty, but associate with the lowly” (Rom 12:16a). A humble person won’t respond in kind or revile back when reviled, but rather, they are always “prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect” (1 Pet 3:15). I would like to emphasize the part where it says “with gentleness and respect,” so whether a person is saved or not, we should always respond with “humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love” (Eph 4:2). It is by our love that others can identify who Jesus’ disciples are (John 13:34-35), and humility is a byproduct of love.

Esteeming Others

A person that is truly humble will “Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves” (Phil 2:3). What that looks like is a humble person doesn’t interrupt others when they’re talking, they don’t always have to have the last word, and they don’t belittle others they disagree with. A humble person might disagree over something but they won’t be disagreeable with those they disagree with. The Apostle Peter urged the younger people to “be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble” (1 Pet 5:5). With the coming of the Lord, it is said that God “has brought down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of humble estate” (Luke 1:52). Think about this: The God of the Universe, Who “being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross” (Phil 2:8). This is all the more reason we ought to have “a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart” (1 Pet 1:22). Humble people will find it easy to “Love one another with brotherly affection [and] Outdo one another in showing honor” (Rom 12:10).

Conclusion

If you have not yet trusted in Christ, Zephaniah the Prophet speaks to you to “Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, who do his just commands; seek righteousness; seek humility; perhaps you may be hidden on the day of the anger of the Lord” (Zeph 2:3). Just as God told the Jews who were being held in captivity, “You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart” (Jer 29:13), God can be found if you truly seek Him with your whole heart. Let today be your day of salvation (2 Cor 6:2). What the Lord said “to the house of Israel: “Seek me and live” (Amos 5:4), He says to you; “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest” (Matt 11:28), and “Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your soul” (Matt 11:29). It doesn’t matter who you are or what you’ve done, Jesus says,“whoever comes to me I will never cast out” (John 6:37b). Come to the Savior today because tomorrow may be too late (Heb 9:27; Rev 1:7). This is all the more reason Christians “must live in harmony, be sympathetic, love as brothers, and be compassionate and humble” (1 Pet 3:8).

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is a Pastor and Prison Minister in the State of Kansas. Jack is also a writer at Christian Quotes and Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • Carlos Santiago

    Amen, amen, amen.

    You walk through the bookstore seeing aisles of books on being great, successful or a leader. Not one book on being humble or a servant unless you go to a Christian bookstore.

    Mankind is seduced by the humanistic Godless value of Social Darwinism. We may want to be a leader or great but scripture calls us to be servants of all, loving all, being kind to all and thinking of others as greater than ourselves (Philippians 2:3). Jesus told us to cut a new groove, those can only be great who is the greatest servant. Luke 22:24

    Real love is not parsed out to others on our twisted perception of earning it. Love is given freely even to those who haven’t earned it. (1Corinthians 13:2)
    Have a great weekend!

    • Susan Jane Elohim

      Yes, that’s why I am convinced that the modern democratic idea of an elected representative being a public servant is traceable to Jesus. We don’t always get it from our public officials in the West but it is the ideal.

    • Maine_Skeptic

      “Mankind is seduced by the humanistic Godless value of Social Darwinism.”

      As a godless man, I’d like to offer a respectful dissent to your view that the arrogance and ignorance infesting the country are coming from atheism or humanism. I recognize that there’s a widely held belief in the US that atheism is born out of rebellion against God. Let me get some of the tropes out of the way: they say we’re arrogant, that we deny the existence of gods because we can’t stand authority; we’re atheists because we’re entirely self-centered; we deny the existence of gods because we want to rape and pillage; we’re atheists because we put ourselves in the place of the Almighty; if we seem to have consciences, it’s only because we’ve been Christianized; we’ve just never heard the word of God or we’d believe; we’ve never been humbled. I’m sure others could furnish dozens more.

      People are godless for a lot of different reasons, so we’re not a monolithic group, but there is nothing inherent in godlessness that encourages arrogance and amorality. Most people don’t rape and pillage because a god tells them not to; most people (including atheists) don’t want to hurt others. Since there are no gods to fix our blunders or forgive our sins, we can’t evade responsibility for the consequences of our poor decisions. Furthermore, in the United States, most atheists start off their atheism with the humbling experience of concluding they’ve been wrong all their lives up to that point, because they were Christians or adherents to another religion.

      Nor is there any evidence that the problems afflicting the country are because of atheism. There are no gangs of atheists raping and pillaging across the land. Our prisons are not full of atheists. Atheists overwhelmingly oppose this president, who embodies the arrogance of Social Darwinism.

      Nor am I saying that Christianity or any other religion is responsible for the arrogance that is destroying the US and Europe. It’s a human problem that afflicts one group or another in larger numbers depending on circumstances. I do believe at this point it afflicts American Evangelicals in higher numbers than others, but we’re all capable of it, and history demonstrates that no religion or philosophy is immune to arrogance, violence, or atrocity.

      If we want to overcome this dark side of human nature, we can only do so by resisting the impulse to reject the comfort of black-and-white thinking and leave open the possibility that our worst enemies may have a point. And that they may not be horrible people just because they believe things we don’t like. I remind other atheists of this when they point out that 83% of white evangelicals voted for a president who has no decency or loyalty to anyone but himself. Not all Christians buy into his lies. And if atheists or humanists were 70% of the richest country in the world, it could have been us.

      • Susan Jane Elohim

        I want you to know an atheist is deleting my posts in this thread. So not all atheists are tolerant and advocates of free speech.

      • Susan Jane Elohim

        Sorry didn’t mean to hit this reply button to you.

      • Susan Jane Elohim

        I can see you are thinking hard but why not ask the right questions and really understand.

        Why do so many people refuse to hear God and take His perspective to heart?

        Why do so many assume they understood Him when they twist scripture in ways so far from orthodox interpretations?

        If we won’t hear God out until we fully understand Him enough to love, honor and obey Him then we
        cannot know Him and did not understand His Word.

        Why is it these people never seek good Bible tutoring when they are spiritually illiterate and can understand God hardly at all?

        Rebellion has nothing to do with that?

        Don’t ever argue or object to God without understanding His aims, plan and character. Not with Satan still on the loose.

        If you do you sawed off the branch you were sitting on.

        Have a blessed day!

        I don’t argue the scriptures. I study and meditate on them to grow in godly maturity like God told people to do when he said “to study to be an approved man.”

        Become an approved man or woman. Then there will be no arguments or objections to raise.

        Obedience is better than sacrifice.

      • tovlogos

        Thank you — I will say one this — since you have heard our position and we have heard your position a few times as well; it is not
        our “opinion” that matters — we believe, and let me emphasize, without any doubt — that God exists and and everyone will have to reckon
        with the perspective of heaven and the reality of the Son of God — now or after death of the physical body. You and I can agree
        on one thing — we will see everything clearly after death; then you will no longer be able to make your case. So, of course we hope and pray that you receive the Messiah. Why should we care? Because you are a human being and even if you did hate us, which I don’t believe
        you do, if we are certain of what we know we would be sorely remiss if we could stand by and watch you lose the opportunity ahead of you,
        and none of us will be able to help you. If you would like to see one of numerous precedences, look at the story of Lazarus and the
        rich man in Luke 16:19-31. For those of us who have really seen His light, I assure you there’s no turning back to anything
        this world has to offer. Another man had this same experience named Peter — John 6:68. Once you’ve legitimately experienced Him there’s no turning back — no place else we would want to be after being engaged by the Spirit of God.

      • tovlogos

        Thank you — I will say one this — since you have heard our position and we have heard your position a few times as well; it is not
        our “opinion” that matters — we believe, and let me emphasize, without any doubt — that God exists and and everyone will have to reckon
        with the perspective of heaven and the reality of the Son of God — now or after death of the physical body. You and I can agree
        on one thing — we will see everything clearly after death; then you will no longer be able to make your case. So, of course we hope and pray that you receive the Messiah. Why should we care? Because you are a human being and even if you did hate us, which I don’t believe
        you do, if we are certain of what we know we would be sorely remiss if we could stand by and watch you lose the opportunity ahead of you,
        and none of us will be able to help you. If you would like to see one of numerous precedences, look at the story of Lazarus and the
        rich man in Luke 16:19-31. For those of us who have really seen His light, I assure you there’s no turning back to anything
        this world has to offer. Another man had this same experience named Peter — John 6:68. Once you’ve legitimately experienced Him there’s no turning back — no place else we would want to be after being engaged by the Spirit of God.

    • pud

      “scripture” tells you to stone disobedient children, witches and women who aren’t virgins on their wedding day or who didn’t scream loudly enough when raped….stone anyone lately?

      • Susan Jane Elohim

        How strange you are applying modern individualism standards to an ancient community that lived by communal not individual standards.

        As far as insisting on virginity that is biologically correct for more than one biological reason.

        You should watch this video. It shows how the brain in love works and validates Genesis 2.

        Women are not biologically made to accomodate random sex.

        Why we love, why we cheat, Helen Fisher on TED
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x-ewvCNguug

        As for witches. Don’t witches try to manipulate and control things that only God has power over. What if you failed to receive your blessings from God or your family did because you failed to obey Him?

        Also stoning almost never occurred in ancient Israel. Though the penalty is in the book it doesn’t mean it was always applied.

        Why don’t you try getting a good education on the Bible before acting authoritative on it.

        Go consult a rabbi on the Old Testament if you can’t consult a Christian scholar.

        You have distorted the truth of most of the Bible probably because you didn’t want to know the truth.

        Why would you come onto a Christian site and attempt to change people when you didn’t want to know the truth and refused to see God’s perspective?

        • pud

          Truth in the buybull? LOL…Do snakes talk? Donkeys talk? Men live in the bellies of whales? You’re so messed up in the head. There is NOTHING true in that entire ridiculous stupid mythological text other than some place names. NOTHING

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Multiple prophets and no geography mistakes? Huh…no human error there? Seems pretty incredible to me.

            You will always lose:

            1) Your heart is not right with God. It shows in the way you twist scripture because the biblical heart includes the mind and you inaccurately interpret God’s book so I suggest you actually find a true disciple to study under.

            2) With God all things are possible.

            3) Revelation is progressive. This age could have differences from the Old Testament time periods.

            4) God gives some information in parables and uses a lot of symbolic language. If you don’t know the symbolism or are poor at His symbolic language then your understanding is limited.

            5) Without Jesus you haven’t got the Holy Spirit to enlighten you. Why do you think Christians pray before they read scripture?

            6) Faith is by hearing and you never listen to God or go to church. You are too busy blocking Him out to learn His perspective.

            If I were you I would start regularly praying to God to enlighten you.

            You’re in spiritual darkness attempting to steer people more spiritually enlightened than you.

            Why do you think some people can hold a carnal line of thinking in their head and a spiritual one but you can’t?

            You’re not influencing any spiritual people because they know you’re wrong and some of them even know you are spiritually blind.

            I suggest you find an Ananias to help you. Cf. Acts 9 because you cannot inspect people for character on the Internet. You will find an Ananias at church if you go to the right church.

            Nobody in his right mind opts for bumbling around in spiritual blindness every day of his life.

            Find a good church and sit in the back and observe everyone. Look for signs of true discipleship or get out of there. Ask the Lord for discernment before you go.

            All atheists are not saner than all theists. Read what this ex-atheist had to say about his mother.

            Quote: “My mother, brother and daughter were murdered by fellow atheists.”

            Were those murderers sane?

            The Madalyn Murray O’Hair Murder
            https://www.religiousfreedomcoalition.org/2011/04/05/the-madalyn-murray-ohair-murder/

          • Carlos Santiago

            I had forgotten about poor Madalyn.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Yes, it is a very terrible story. The son of her’s that wasn’t killed is a Baptist minister now working to help persecuted Christians in the Middle East. He tries to get help for them thru Congress through his organization called The Religious Freedom Coalition and his name is William J. Murray.

            So he went from the son of the woman who’s court case stopped school prayer in U.S. public schools to a Christian minister fighting for the civil rights of Christians in the Middle East.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            I bet you didn’t watch that video and so you don’t understand that it validates God’s point in Genesis 2.

            Genesis 2:24, KJV
            24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Well I won’t bother you any more because I suspect you are being dishonest and never did a truth seeking search for God by yourself.

            You could have done your own original search for God. A lot of atheists have done them and been changed by them like Lee Strobel and Josh McDowell. McDowell had a terribly abusive alcoholic for a father but he did his own search in his own way and he found God. Strobel who was a journalist and a lawyer investigated from his legal-journalist perspective and found God.

            Little boy science prodigy, Hugh Ross, went searching on his own using science and found God and the deist Paul Davies examined science and found God exists as did Francis Collins and Anthony Flew.

            I am sure there are tons of others. Plant geneticist John C. Sanford found God, too, while studying evolution and concluding what evolutionary theory was saying about mutations being beneficial was wrong.

            So why not come up with your own way to honestly search for him and stop badgering this blog. While you are seeking ask God to remove any biases that might be causing you to cherrypick and not equally consider and reflect on all the evidence.

            Remember philosophy geek Derek Prince? He found God too after his own deeply personal search.

            I don’t know how many famous scientists down thru the centuries went seeking for God but most of the great ones like Mendel, Newton, Gallileo, Einstein, etc. believed in God. They were not masters of theology but they knew He exists.

            So don’t be too afraid to seek. God approves of seekers and rewards them.

            I will let you go because you are an adult and can actively seek any time you want to instead of submitting everyone to your lazy skeptic armchair psychology denial.

            Have a great life.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            There’s a lot more but you are going to have to become a genuine believer to find out. I can’t reveal it to you. Work on seeking first.

            Seeking comes before believing.

            Ask God for a genuine seeker’s attitude. Throw off the lazy skepticism and start using your mind.

            Be an independent thinker and stop letting the doubters rule your mind.

            Don’t you have to be independent to stay bias free?

            You can be biased after you prove God to yourself but you haven’t proven Him or disproven Him.

            All you did was carelessly cast burdens on theists.

            But this is your soul in jeopardy not mine.

            You better get seeking and take it seriously when God says His Son died to save you.

            How many people in this life have actually laid down their lives for you so you could be a spiritual success, have an abundant life and will give you an even better life in the hereafter?

          • Carlos Santiago

            Well said.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Thanks Carlos. An unbeliever is trying to stop freedom of speech on the Christian Crier by spamming some of my posts to remove them.

      • Susan Jane Elohim

        You need to pick up a copy of Stephen E. Jones’ Deuteronomy Series and read it.

        He has a doctorate in the Old Testament as well as a doctorate in the New Testament and He explains that the intent of the Old Testament Law was
        REHABILITATIVE not punitive. I used all caps for emphasis. Please excuse me for appearing to shout.

        The Old Testament Law aimed at providing RETRIBUTION TO THE VICTIM OF A CRIME.

        Death was only adjudged in cases like rape, etc. where restitution to the victim was not possible.

        A good short essay showing how an elite disciple of the Bible analyzed God’s law in practice is here for you to read. I will post it below.

        PRAY TO GOD for inspiration and guidance and read it and be blessed with enlightenment, friend.

        You are beloved by God so be sure to read it. It will shake the devil up when you do and he will start to leave you alone. When you accept and know for A FACT BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT YOU ARE PERSONALLY LOVED BY GOD then the devil has to flee you.

        Read this, friend. See God’s intent to save everyone. How can the GREAT ONE fail?

        HE CAN’T. HE WON’T. NOT EVEN THE MOST REBELLIOUS WILL BE FAILED.

        If God Could Save everyone, Would He? by Dr. Stephen E. Jones
        https://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/books/if-god-could-save-everyone-would-he/chapter-1-if-god-could-save-everyone-would-he/

        Let God OPEN the blind eyes of your heart now and be saved!

        Have a blessed day!

        Next short work to read is here:
        The Restoration of All Things
        https://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/books/the-restoration-of-all-things/chapter-1-judging-righteously/

        You need to learn to judge righteously like God does. Please pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and ask for discernment. Right now. Pray to Him.

        • pud

          LOL. The last thing I’d ever read is christian apologetic babble lies and bullshit.

          Demonstrate that ANY “god” past or present ever existed/exists.

          For the 100th time…I don’t give a shit what you “believe” If you can’t show it you don’t know it.

          You strike me as the kind of rabid religious lunatic who would fly a plane into a building.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Demonstrate it to yourself.

            You are the victim of the crime of the devil. We all are.

            We all fall down but some of us let God send us the Holy Spirit to lift us back up again then walk in God’s light.

            The devil takes a different tack with each of us trying to destroy God’s message before it can be received by us so we will stay his victim in sin.

            Here is a spiritual message from God through a spiritual person if you will receive His personal message through his dedicated messenger to you.

            Please hear this message! And let Jesus break you free from the inherited chains of sin that the devil forces on us all.

            We Fall Down
            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5s2feN6Yk

          • pud

            You make the claims for all these invisible undetectable characters…it’s your job to prove they exist

            You’re not simply delusional you are mentally ill. You need serious medical intervention before you hurt someone or yourself

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Be sure to read Ephesians to put on the whole Armor Of God.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Did you get my last post or spam it?

          • pud

            You are not well. You are a mentally ill gullible indoctrinated cult member impossible to reason with. You are irrational, have no respect for evidence, don’t care what is actually true and simply want to believe what you want to believe. I don’t take anything you babble seriously

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            People are God’s evidence and you are out of control of yourself and have been attempting to browbeat Christians for years.

            I turn you over to God.

            Don’t bother me any more if you are set in your ways.

            You chose to be set as an atheist and refuse to be reformed.

            I hope you get up the nerve to examine why you are so insensitive and repent.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            7 Ways to Recognize a Lying Spirit:

            1. A lying spirit can not understand the truth. (John 8:43-45)
            2. A lying spirit denies the deity of Jesus Christ (that He is God). (1 John 2:22)
            3. A lying spirit stands with a majority opinion (many times). (2 Chronicles 18:21a)
            4. A lying spirit practices unrighteousness. (1 John 3:7-8)
            5. A lying spirit doesn’t listen to believers. (1 John 4:5-6)
            6. A lying spirit speaks words that fail to come to pass. (2 Chronicles 18:27)
            7. A lying spirit entices men to destruction. (2 Chronicles 18:19-21)

      • Susan Jane Elohim

        By the way, as a sinner you are the victim of a crime.

        Your spiritual covering in God was stolen from you by Satan before you were born.

        Jesus died a torturous death on the Cross personally for you so that covering could be restored to you in your lifetime.

        All he humbly and graciously asks is that you accept his offer of salvation so he can restore order in your soul and give you a whole new life free of sin.

        The devil tries to enslave us all by influencing us through sin.

        So be free! Accept Jesus’ offer and be free. That is too great an offer from our Lord and Savior to pass up.

    • pud

      “christian book stores” are all closing. LOL Gee, I wonder why?

      • Monty

        Same reason secular book stores are closing. The internet.

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          Lol…he thinks Christian bookstores closing will stop Christianity….he he…

          We lasted almost 2000 years without bookstores.

          The good news is that the conversion rate is highest in Iran right now. Christian radio is having an impact around the world, too.

          Be sure to check out the Far East Broadcasting Corp. site, Monty and tell all your friends about it in case they would like to contribute. The FEBC has secured land in South Korea and is asking for contributions to raise enough money to build a radio station that will air the Gospel in North Korea.

          North Korea is currently under atheist dictator Kim Jong Un and he runs the country like a concentration camp. They have concrete obstructions on the road in case they are invaded and electric barb wire fences to keep people in.

          Persecution of Christians is highest in that country and some North Koreans are being forced to eat grass.

      • Carlos Santiago

        You should understand it’s a phenomena called on line shopping.
        http://money.com/money/5637426/retail-store-closures-2019-jc-penney-sears-gap/

        • pud

          No, it’s called people waking up and tossing out your deranged death cult superstition and the snake oil salesmen who peddle it. Reason and truth always triumph and your infantile irrational cult narrative isn’t being swallowed anymore.

    • a r tompkins

      honestly, could there possibly be a perception of oneself any LESS humble than that the many gods alleged to have created all the universe(s) made YOU in their image? And further, these gods are busy right now preparing an afterlife that guarantees your eternal bliss, because, given the myriad of gods from which to can choose, YOU have figured out the correct one(s)? The mind of the “humbly religious” is a curious one indeed.

    • Susan Jane Elohim

      Good post, Carlos.

      Most don’t even know what seeking is any more.

      What Does It Mean To Seek The Lord?
      https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/what-does-it-mean-to-seek-the-lord.html

    • Susan Jane Elohim

      I got banned off a public blog once by an atheist moderator in a mixed religious group forum though the community was predominantly atheist for mentioning that evolution was connected to eugenics.

      Maybe he wanted to bury the history and definition of the idea of Social Darwinism.

      so·cial Dar·win·ism
      noun
      1.
      the theory that individuals, groups, and peoples are subject to the same Darwinian laws of natural selection as plants and animals. Now largely discredited, social Darwinism was advocated by Herbert Spencer and others in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and was used to justify political conservatism, imperialism, and racism and to discourage intervention and reform.

      Have a great day. Brave of you to even mention Social Darwinism with certain atheists trying to take over this evangelical blog that exists to promote the glory of God.

      • Carlos Santiago

        We have a lot in common as I also participated in Christian discussion debate rooms for years as well and atheist/infidel rooms. I was good friends with Bob and Gretchen Passantino who were the main researchers for Dr Walter Martin I can tell by your answer you have a good sense of identifying the issue and providing the answer. Blessings to you.

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          I never heard of Dr. Walter Martin before. I am familiar with several other apologists but not him. I think with apologetics you pick up some things but nothing beats being immersed in the scriptures.

          Spiritual warfare is going on all over the internet and a Christian needs to know how to handle it.

          That’s why I recommend Strongman’s His Name What’s His Game by the Robesons to mature Christians strong in the Lord. It helps equip one for spiritual battles and collates all the evil spirits for ease of reference.

          Though sometimes you just have to wing it. My copy is in storage right now but I will be getting it out soon in the future.

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          Everett Cox has a free online deliverance ministry course. It only takes a couple of hours. He’s out of Oklahoma. I don’t know him personally but took the online course several years back.

          https://delmin.org/

  • pud

    Now this is funny! Coming from an old man who claims HE was chosen by gawd!

    ” Just as God told the Jews who were being held in captivity”….NEVER HAPPENED janitor jack…it NEVER HAPPENED!

    “Come to the Savior today because tomorrow may be too late”….Just like all good salesmen…always closing…always closing.

    Stop LYING jack.

    • Susan Jane Elohim

      ATS Bible Dictionary
      Unbelief
      Of the testimony of God makes him a liar, and is a sin of the greatest enormity. It is the work of a depraved and guilty heart; for no one without this bias could reject the abundant witness God furnishes of the truth of his word, Psalm 14:1. Especially is unbelief towards an offered Savior an unspeakable crime, justly sealing the condemnation of him who thus refuses to be saved, John 5:18 1 John 5:10.

      Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary
      1. (n.) The withholding of belief; doubt; incredulity; skepticism.
      2. (n.) Disbelief; especially, disbelief of divine revelation, or in a divine providence or scheme of redemption.

      International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
      UNBELIEF
      un-be-lef’: The word (the King James Version) represents two Greek words, apeitheia, “disobedience” (only in Romans 11:30, 32 Hebrews 4:6, 11), and apistia, “distrust,” the antithesis to “faith”. (which see). The two words are not only akin etymologically but run into one another by mental connection, certainly where spiritual relations are concerned, as between man and God. For when God has spoken, in precept and yet more in promise, distrust involves, at least potentially, an element of disobedience. His supreme claim is to be trusted to command only what is right, and to promise only what is true. He is infinitely sympathetic in His insight, and infallibly knows where distrust comes only of the dim perceptions and weak mis-givings of our mortal nature, and where, on the other hand, a moral resistance lies at the back of the non-confidence. But the presence of that darker element is always to be suspected, at least, and searched for in serious self-examination.

      We may remark that it is a loss in our language that “unbelief” is the only word we can use as the antithesis to “faith”; for “faith” and “belief” (which see) are not exactly synonyms. “Unfaith” would be a welcome word for such use, if it were generally so understood.

      Handley Dunelm

      Greek
      570. apistia — unbelief
      … unbelief. Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: apistia Phonetic Spelling:
      (ap-is-tee’-ah) Short Definition: unbelief, unfaithfulness, distrust …
      //strongsnumbers.com/greek2/570.htm – 7k
      543. apeitheia — disobedience
      … Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: apeitheia Phonetic Spelling:
      (ap-i’-thi-ah) Short Definition: willful unbelief, obstinacy, disobedience …
      //strongsnumbers.com/greek2/543.htm – 7

      I am willing to bet you cherrypicked for the people who supported your skepticism about ancient Israelite history instead of consulting the archaeologists and Bible scholars who support it.

      That’s called bias.

      Who can carry on a 1500 year hoax with the degree of historical accuracy the Bible displays?

      Those are multiple prophets inspired to write the Bible with the historical facts that historians still consult and find reliable.

      It is a source document for ancient history yet you deny that.

      I am sorry that you suffer from some type of internal turmoil and feel you have to mock God when you should want to get away from sin and Satan.

      There are also no accounts close to the time of Christ denying he lived while there are sources close to the time of Christ’s resurrection verifying he lived so you are biased again.

      Trying to backtrack and deconstruct history and Christian foundations without looking at things closely from the beginning.

      How come no one disputed Christ lived close to the time he was on Earth? Because there were too many witnesses to his life that’s why. They only wrote things down later to preserve everything for future generations.

      Religions don’t start without founders, pud.

      Thanks for all the angry airheaded assumptions.

      You should have researched better.

      And why do you twist scripture if you aren’t under evil influence?

      Why don’t you get a life and leave God’s people alone.

      No one is twisting your arm to make you join us.

      • a r tompkins

        “Why don’t you get a life and leave God’s people alone.” When “god’s people” stop trying to rule the world with their perverse, inhumane, primitive book of fable, they can expect to be left alone. not until then. deal?

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          O really? God’s people were suppose to abandon God’s claim to His own creation without defending and helping God expand upon it?

          That just leaves the devil and sin unopposed and sin is both interpersonally and intrapersonally destructive.

          What would this world be without the right spirit guiding it?

          I suggest you examine a few atheist dictatorships. Many try to flee them if they can get up the nerve to break free. Why let a fear of man stop you from having real courage and following the most courageous of all, Jesus Christ.

          Did you ever examine the life of Richard Wurmbrand.

          Start being an independent thinker and don’t let the scaredy cat people lean on you with their biases teaching you the wrong way.

          Jesus was the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and the tribe of Judah are like the Marines. They are always the first in spiritual battle. The devil doesn’t even have a chance of stopping them. There are too many God qualified disciples that can cast him from their midst. All in the name, power and authority of Jesus, of course.

          The Bible…You know the book where God reveals Himself is always backed by His personal power and He never goes back on His Word so those progressive Christians not centered on Christ….they need to relearn their theology.

          Have a great day! Peace Be With You!

          Be sure to read Ephesians 2. The prince of the power of the air is one of Satan’s titles.

          Why should he be allowed to try and rule anyone or anything?

          • a r tompkins

            whoa! looks like I hit the motherlode of looney here! my lucky day. not.

            the creator of the whole universe needs YOUR help to expand upon it?!?! My, don’t we have a rather inflated vision of one’s self-importance, don’t we?

            If you just say you believe in supernatural, unseen, unproven things, then go off yourself, you’ll live in paradise for eternity!! so what are y’all waiting for? Good-bye! Be sure to give the gods my regards. In the meantime, we’ll try our best to make the world a livable, sustainable place, by respecting reason, science, and each other.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            What makes you think God stopped creating? And why wouldn’t He use people if they are the object of His creation?

            Science was only possible because people like Newton were trying to discover God’s mind and His laws of nature.

            Too bad people have short memories and don’t bother to investigate the history of ideas like Rodney Stark did.

            Go check what Stark has to say on it.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            How are you respecting other people showing up on their blog and calling them looney?

            If I was looney is it ethical of you to tell me to “off” myself?

            Do you say self destructive things like that to yourself and others?

            Is that sane behavior?

            Am I suppose to have a fear of people who don’t act ethically or have poor self control?

            How will they learn self control if Jesus does not correct them and give them the Fruit of the Spirit?

            Does my use of the Socratic method to point out the flaws in your reasoning make you angry?

            If so why can’t you make your peace with God and stop being so angry?

            Please take Jesus’ advice and examine yourself.

          • a r tompkins

            I don’t respect superstitious beliefs of people. there was a time in human evolution where this might have been an advantage, in some ways, but now it’s dangerous.
            If you believe so much in a perfect afterlife, what are you waiting for? Just suggesting you practice what you preach, so to speak.
            self control has nothing to do with Jesus – honestl

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            Well. You’ve made up your mind. There’s nothing for us to talk about.

            I live in the everyday miracle of God’s love and can’t imagine returning to lesser things.

            But you can if you want to. You just can’t talk me into copying your bad decision because I truly like using my God given mind for myself.

            Worldly propaganda? That’s just bad CBT that the unmeditative people (the ones that refuse to stop and listen and learn from God) learn from the world’s random low brow thinking and attitude.

            Talk is cheap.

            The truly ethical people in this world know that the world will always be coming along to test their ethics.

            So best tie yourself down to God as your anchor so you won’t be moved in the storm.

            Have a blessed day! Christians are just God’s representatives on Earth. His ambassadors delivering His messages. We don’t control anyone.

            Perhaps you need to learn some self control so your fears will stop overriding your common sense long enough for you to listen to Him.

            Really you have time to devalue Christians on the Net but not one second to take God to heart?

            Got to be some internal issue causing that. Examine yourself.

            I no longer argue with people who have questionable heart motives.

            I know the propensity to do me a mischief is always latent there because they never dealt with their own issues.

            Sin, fear, idol creation….these are all serious heart and soul issues.

            I’d rather be fearless and speak the truth in love.

            Have a great day. I hope you get some self control. Enough to get free of your pride and fears and enough to stop trying to control other people’s decisions.

            God is the Fearless One. He’s not a control freak though He is in control. Usually the fearless ARE more in control of themselves and their attitudes and actions.

            Blaspheme away!

            He does not fear you and you cannot force Him to do a single thing no matter how much you yourself knuckle under to your own human limitations.

            May His grace abound to you!

          • a r tompkins

            let’s examine your belief system a little and see how long you can hold so many delusions in your head…

            Does god or do gods listen to and answer your prayers “personally”?

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            No I do my own personal examining because I am a counselor type personality and capable of greater self introspection and examination than most.

            So why would I devolve to biased inexpert opinions?

            I don’t want your answer. I want my own.

            A lot of people in this world get buried under other people’s emotional garbage and trash ideas.

            I learned to think and sort for myself. Most people have issues. If you can’t sort your own out then how could you help me with mine?

            I do my own thinking and research now and ask my own questions and let God lead me in all this now.

            I finally got fed up with all the world’s half truths, mixups, platitudes, etc.

            I could have a personally higher standard for exacting the truth than most people so why let some biased person meddle with a deceptive argument.

            You go ahead and let yourself be buried under the rubble of these “arguments” which I know is really other people’s baggage they like to place on others for various reasons and I will stay free of all that baggage over here with God. Free out in the open clear of that mess.

            I don’t have the time in this life to do all the really important things and submit to other people’s incompetence continuously.

            So I went seeking to establish some truth for myself. Now I don’t submit to anyone’s thinking but God’s.

            People are so error prone and some of them don’t mind burying you under their baggage when you already have enough of your own.

            Must be one of the reasons why God said to His people to separate themselves. They get free of the snare of the fowler that way.

            I hope you learn to cast the world’s complaints aside so God can set you free.

            God Bless!

          • a r tompkins

            yeah, all that’s nice, but do gods answer your prayers? do you hear the voices of gods in your heads? what are they telling you? do they ever use a word you don’t know?

            your answer would be most valuable to my survey.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            No. Never heard a voice in my head.

            We might all have a negative overly critical inner voice from the self at times that causes pain or turmoil. So we have to learn to key on the balanced one.

            We can tear ourselves up more cruelly than others do sometimes especially if we have perfectionist tendencies.

            It’s ok to rethink things and change your mind.

            I run into atheists that may be more emotional than me all the time.

            People put up false fronts. Don’t be fooled.

            Really who does anyone control but himself and his minor dependent children.

            How do you change the world without changing yourself?

            The world will test you for sure.

            You’re going to need some really good mentoring to pass those tests.

          • Susan Jane Elohim

            No. Never heard a voice in my head.

            We might all have a negative overly critical inner voice from the self at times that causes pain or turmoil. So we have to learn to key on the balanced one.

            We can tear ourselves up more cruelly than others do sometimes especially if we have perfectionist tendencies.

            It’s ok to rethink things and change your mind.

            I run into atheists that may be more emotional than me all the time.

            People put up false fronts. Don’t be fooled.

            Really who does anyone control but himself and his minor dependent children.

            How do you change the world without changing yourself?

            The world will test you for sure.

            You’re going to need some really good mentoring to pass those tests.

          • a r tompkins

            I bet you were raised in an area and in a family that is influenced by predominantly Christian traditions. So you probably just believe in the kinds of gods you were told about as a child. Like any other gullible, passive person raised in Jewish or Islamic traditions, or any of the other major or minor religions of the world, active today or in the past.

            Do you believe if you had been born in say Saudi Arabia you would not be a Muslim? Do you think a person born in Iran, who is a Shiite Muslim, deserves to be tormented for eternity, as some Christians I know think they should? Why or why not?

          • Susan Jane Elohim
          • a r tompkins

            No links, silly girl no one else’s words…

            Do you really believe there are gods that hear your prayers, and sometimes manipulate the universe so as to answer them?

            Yes or no? If you’re not going to commit to this one way or another, you have nothing.

          • If it’s factual, it’s sane behaviour. You need to visit a professional psychiatrist before it’s too late for you, if it’s not already.

          • You are right! She is a loon and desperately needs to visit a professional psychiatrist to have her sanity checked out and receive professional help before it’s too late.

        • Susan Jane Elohim

          I want you to know an atheist is deleting my posts in this thread. So not all atheists are tolerant and advocates of free speech. It has been done several times in different threads for about a month now.

          • a r tompkins

            an “atheist” is deleting your posts? how do you know it’s not a religionist posing as an atheist? how do you know it’s not SATAN deleting your posts, because your posts are just too powerful, too persuasive in God’s favor? What evidence do you have to support this claim?

  • a r tompkins

    quite the hypocrisy – religions like Christianity that preach gods exist and made a whole universe, with all of its good and bad (and there’s plenty of bad) just to test the souls of their subjects. The Christians, who interpret a bunch superstitious ancient contradictory sometimes brutal sheepherder philosophy as a message just to them, from the gods, and use their interpretations to force oppression, domination, war, slavery on others who are not like them, all the while claiming they are the most humble of all creation. You can’t make this stuff up!

    • This Susan Jane claims to have been banned for several atheist blogs. It’s no wonder. She is so sanctimonious and self righteous and abuses atheists, then takes umbrage that she has been banned. As you said before, she is the mother of all loons.

      • a r tompkins

        Christianity is a fragile and fearful little sphere.

        • Jack Wellman

          So fragile, huh? Christianity is by far the world’s largest religion, with an estimated 2.2 billion adherents, nearly a third (31 percent) of all 6.9 billion people on Earth…so fragile? Fearful? Wrong on both accounts.

          • a r tompkins

            OMG, behold! you’re right! I meant to say the Christian *mind* is a fragile and fearful sphere. “Christianity”, whatever that term means, is a disparate, splintered, fractious set of beliefs which attempts to assuage the conscious mind that there is some kind of awareness after death because the reality and finality of death is just too discomforting for most people. Thanks for correcting me.

  • a r tompkins

    wow – what a lot of nonsense! you spew you, girl!

    but in all of your drivel, nowhere did you answer my very simple question: do you pray to a personal god and does that god answer your prayers and how do you know? god! don’t make such a big deal here! just trying to establish where we’re starting here. or are you afraid of answering? it’s a yes or no question.

    waiting…