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Being "Trans" Is All Up In the Bible: Inconventional Conversation EPISODE 155

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January 6th Anniversary & Moderate Evangelicals
Episode 1
January 6th Anniversary & Moderate Evangelicals
It's been one year since the insurrection attempt at The Capitol. We talk about where we were on Jan. 6th 2021 and play our individual TikTok videos we made on that day. We also discuss the aftermath in the evangelical church and how Jan. 6th was the catalyst for many of us to officially become EXvangelicals. But what about moderate evangelical pastors who have remained silent despite Qanon and other conspiracies flooding their churches? We dive into why remaining silent is problematic. Follow us on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy Join Our Private Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1024639534974464 Please leave us a review wherever you listen to us and subscribe to our YouTube Channel where we record these episodes live: https://www.youtube.com/c/Evangelicalish/
New Year, New Season
Episode 1
New Year, New Season
Happy New year! To start season 3 off, we take a look back at 2022 and share a few of our favorite moments. We are thankful for this community and look forward to a new year. Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Our 100th Episode
Episode 1
Our 100th Episode
Paul, Jeremy, and April look back at where they were at episode 1 and cringe, laugh, and talk about what has changed since then. Thank you for being with us for 100 episodes! Here's to 100 more. Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy
Racism in the Church (Feat. Jessica Eaton)
Episode 2
Racism in the Church (Feat. Jessica Eaton)
Ted Cruz Hypocrisy & LGBTQ Christians - Side A, Side B & Side X
Episode 2
Ted Cruz Hypocrisy & LGBTQ Christians - Side A, Side B & Side X
In this episode, we discuss Ted Cruz headlines of the week. He had a moment of courage talking about January 6th but completely walked it back on Tucker Carlson's show. He was also in the news recently because of things his daughter said on TikTok. This leads us into a discussion on Christian parents and how they respond to their kids coming out as LGBTQ. We go into the different viewpoints on LGBTQ issues within evangelicalism: Side A, Side B and Side X. We also talk about the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin" and how it's actually harmful and problematic. We're planning on coming to a city near you. Help us decide where by answering the poll in our FB group or sending us a DM or comment of a city you could attend :) Follow us on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy Join our private Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1024639534974464
Evangelical Resolutions and House Republican Ridiculousness
Episode 2
Evangelical Resolutions and House Republican Ridiculousness
We're back for our first live show of 2023. We talk about New Year's resolutions, how we used to view them and how that's changed since deconstruction. We also talk about the fiasco that was the Speaker of the House vote and what that means for the political climate. Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Theologizin' Bigger with Pastor Trey Ferguson
Episode 2
Theologizin' Bigger with Pastor Trey Ferguson
Pastor Trey Ferguson joins April and Paul to discuss his new book Theologizin' Bigger: Homilies on Living Freely and Loving Wholly. As a podcaster and public theologian, Trey discusses many topics online and this chat is no different! We talk about the harm caused by the Penal Substitutionary Atonement theory in Christianity and how there are other ways to live authentically and hold to faith. Get Trey's book and learn more about his work at pastortrey05.com and follow him on X (formerly known as twitter) @PastorTrey05 Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @aprilajoy
Ravi Zacharias and Purity Culture in the church
Episode 3
Ravi Zacharias and Purity Culture in the church
Anniversary Show & More Cringey Evangelical Clips
Episode 3
Anniversary Show & More Cringey Evangelical Clips
Evangelicalish turned ONE this week and we wanted to celebrate by sharing some of our favorite moments from the last year and by reading favorite moments sent in by you all. And back by popular demand, we react to some cringey evangelical clips that happened during the season break. **Thank you for all of your support over the last year - we are excited to continue on this journey with all of you.** Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy Join our private Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1024639534974464
Ableism in the Church
Episode 3
Ableism in the Church
In this episode, we talk with Elora Dodd (@Online1schoolroomhouse) who is an Autistic comedian and activist who fights to improve the lives of disabled people and combat religious abuse. She shares some of her own story of growing up in the church, going to Oral Roberts University and shares stories of other people with disabilities, how the church treated them and what needs to change. Find Elora on Instagram: @online1roomschoolhouse Elora's Linktree (please note we experienced some audio issues in this episode that could not be correct and we apologize for the inconvenience) Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Pro-Life or Pro-Death? The Texas Border and Death Penalty
Episode 3
Pro-Life or Pro-Death? The Texas Border and Death Penalty
April and Paul dive into the thorny issue of how evangelicals reconcile their supposed stance on life with some, well, let's just say troubling recent developments. We'll be unpacking the disturbing reports from the Texas border, the ethical quagmire of the new nitrogen gas execution in Alabama, and how these realities clash with the "pro-life" label many evangelicals wear. Join us as we dissect the rhetoric, challenge assumptions, and explore the complexities of faith and policy in the face of harsh realities. Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @aprilajoy
Misogyny in the Church and CPAC
Episode 4
Misogyny in the Church and CPAC
Rev. Derek Terry's Journey From AME to UCC + Super Bowl Reactions
Episode 4
Rev. Derek Terry's Journey From AME to UCC + Super Bowl Reactions
Reverend Derek Terry is an artist, scholar and Pastor at St. Peter's United Church of Christ in Cincinnati. He talks about his journey from growing up in the African Methodist Episcopal Church to becoming an openly gay Pastor in the United Church of Christ denomination. Then we all discuss the Super Bowl Halftime Show, the outrage that followed from conservatives, and why the NFL still needs to fix the racism within their system. Then we each share one thing we weren't allowed to enjoy growing up that we love now. If you would like to help Derek repair his church's boiler, here is the GoFundMe page: https://www.gofundme.com/f/st-peters-building-birthday-boiler-fund Follow Derek on Twitter, IG, TikTok & Facebook, YouTube: @RevDerekTerry www.RevDerek.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy Join our private Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1024639534974464
We Had a Fight
Episode 4
We Had a Fight
This week, Paul, Jeremy and April had a hard conversation that wasn't the prettiest- but it ended well. We decided to talk about it - our conflict, life after working in toxic churches, and things that trigger us since leaving. We also discuss the importance of recognizing these things in ourselves to figure out how we keep from falling back into old patterns. Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
I Kissed Purity Culture Goodbye
Episode 4
I Kissed Purity Culture Goodbye
Paul and April talk to Kristina Hart, a faith-informed humor writer, content creator, comedian, and popular online persona about the trauma of Purity Culture and the impact it has in the decades the follower. We discuss the ramifications it has had on both dating and married life. Kristina is the spirited voice formerly behind The DTR Blog and now the That?s Super Weird Podcast, Kristina is the proud daughter of Iranian immigrants and has an internationally and spiritually informed perspective that is fully attuned to the inner thoughts and struggles of her fellow Millennials. Follow Kristina @edgykristinahart Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish , @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul ,
Beth Moore and The Equality Act
Episode 5
Beth Moore and The Equality Act
The Evangelical War on Deconstruction
Episode 5
The Evangelical War on Deconstruction
John Cooper, the frontman for Christian rock band Skillet, recently declared war against deconstruction during a concert and followed it up with a long Facebook explaining the dangers of deconstructing one's faith. In this episode, Paul, Jeremy & April address Cooper's attack on deconstruction, what he got wrong and what it actually is. Then we talk about what it's like when people from our evangelical church past come into our lives to leave us comments and messages full of gaslighting and christianese. We end the show talking about what non-violent weapon we would bring to the frontlines of John Cooper's war. Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy
Our Last Podcast Before the Rapture?
Episode 5
Our Last Podcast Before the Rapture?
Apparently, some Christians believe the rapture is happening on February 15 so if true, this will be our last episode before the rapture. We talk about the rapture, Sam Smith's Grammy performance that sparked Satanic Panic and we wonder how God chooses a winner of the Super Bowl since he is always thanked by the winners.... If the Lord tarries, we will be back in a couple weeks. Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Roe v Wade Roots in Christian Nationalism
Episode 5
Roe v Wade Roots in Christian Nationalism
Rev. Rob Schenck joins April and Paul for a fascinating conversation that takes us behind the scenes of the movement that overturned Roe v Wade, showing the anti-abortion manipulation of Christians to the Evangelical Christian nationalism of today. Schenk, an Evangelical clergyman who has ministered to elected and appointed officials in Washington, D.C. and serves as president of a non-profit organization named for Dietrich Bonhoeffer, can be found in the new Documentary "God + Country." Schenck says that he was part of a group that paid Norma McCorvey (also known as Jane Roe from the landmark Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision) to lie that she had changed her mind and become against abortion. Schenck now speaks up to undo the work he used to do after seeing the harm it caused. Hear more from Rev. Rob Schenck on Patheos. Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish , @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul ,
QAnon, Covid, Pope Francis, and Cussing
Episode 6
QAnon, Covid, Pope Francis, and Cussing
War, End Times & The Biblical Canon
Episode 6
War, End Times & The Biblical Canon
In this episode, we talk about Ukraine, the tragedies of war and the evangelical urge to make every world event about America and the end times. Then we are joined by Manuel Ramminger, who has a biblical studies degree and has run several Bible schools. He will talk to us about the formation of the Biblical canon- how the Bible was formed and who made the decisions on which books to include and exclude. And knowing the Bible is not the literal Word of God, how should we read it? Manuel now runs Ethical Trading Company where they fight human trafficking, extreme poverty & exploitation through job creation: www.ethicaltradeco.com Stay for the end to hear a special announcement from April & her spouse Beecher. Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy
A Therapist Talks Religious Trauma
Episode 6
A Therapist Talks Religious Trauma
In this episode, we're joined by licensed therapist Adele Martelle to talk all things religious trauma and how it affects us. Adele is a somatic based psychotherapist, certified trauma professional and spiritual integrationist. She is also speaks on topics of religious trauma, complex ptsd, intimacy development, mindfulness and body based healing. Follow her IG or TikTok @AdelleMarTellit Sign up on her website for info on your purity culture course coming up: adelemartelle.com Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Fearfully and Wonderfully Weird: Journey to Emotional Wellness
Episode 6
Fearfully and Wonderfully Weird: Journey to Emotional Wellness
Trigger Warning: This episode contains stories of sexual abuse and thoughts of self-harm. Over a year ago, Jenna of the Gianu System, appeared on an ISH episode to share about her journey with Dissociative Identity Disorder (D.I.D. - formerly known as multiple personality disorder) and saw some familiar things in Paul as she shared. Jenna joins us as Paul shares about their own diagnosis and wellness journey into a world of learning about self and all the parts that make us. Follow Jenna: @Gianusystem Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish , @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul ,
Guns, Cussing, and Comments of the week!
Episode 7
Guns, Cussing, and Comments of the week!
Join April, Paul, and Jeremy as they discuss firearms, bad words, and crazy comments of the week.
Narcissism in the Church
Episode 7
Narcissism in the Church
Paul & April are joined by Matthew Phifer, MSEd, who is a therapist, speaker, trainer, and toxic relationship, narcissism, trauma and emotional abuse expert. Matthew is here to talk all about narcissism in the church: the different types of narcissism, the cover churches give for them and signs to look for. He also tells us about the dangers of high-control groups like cults and how many churches aren't any different when they use FOG - fear, obligation and guilt tactics. Follow Matt on Tiktok, Youtube, IG @mattphifercoaching Buy his book "Oh Sh!t, I Think They're a F^cking Narcissist" on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099X56CDH?tag=mattphifercoa-20 Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy or email us: [email protected]
Was "Homosexual" Added to the Bible in 1946?
Episode 7
Was "Homosexual" Added to the Bible in 1946?
Rocky Roggio joins us this episode to talk about the film she directed called 1946 The Movie. 1946 is a documentary film that chronicles how the misuse of a single word changed the course of modern history - the word "homosexual" was not included in any Bible translation until 1946. We discuss the film and her own journey as a lesbian woman who was raised in a fundamentalist household. Learn more about 1946 the Movie: 1946themovie.com/ Support 1946 The Movie GoFundMe Here Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
The New Evangelicals, Super Tuesday & The Election
Episode 7
The New Evangelicals, Super Tuesday & The Election
Tim Whitaker joins Paul and April to talk about what it means to be a new evangelical and why he started his nonprofit The New Evangelicals. We also discuss the white evangelical affect on the election, Super Tuesday and why Trump is still the chosen one. Then we react to videos in our new segment Evangelicringe. Follow Tim and TNE @thenewevangelicals or visit their website: thenewevangelicals.com Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish , @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul ,
Lil Nas X, Franklin Graham & Cancel Culture
Episode 8
Lil Nas X, Franklin Graham & Cancel Culture
Join the crew as they discuss the reaction to Lil Nas X, Franklin Graham, and the church leading the cancel culture charge.
Ukraine, John MacArthur & Church Cover-Ups
Episode 8
Ukraine, John MacArthur & Church Cover-Ups
In this episode, we talk about the tragedy of the war in Ukraine but acknowledge the problematic way evangelicals & media have treated Ukrainian refugees differently compared to other countries. Recently, investigative journalist Julie Roys, dropped a story of a decades- long child-abuse cover-up in John MacArthur's church. The church shamed the wife/mother of the family and stood by the abuser, even after he was convicted and is still serving time in prison. Read the story here: https://julieroys.com/macarthur-shamed-excommunicated-mother-take-back-child-abuser/ We talk about the larger issue of church cover-ups for abuse, the misogyny of it all and what to do about it. Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy or email us: [email protected]
Do I Stay Christian? A Chat with Brian McLaren
Episode 8
Do I Stay Christian? A Chat with Brian McLaren
Besides being an author, speaker, activist, and public theologian, McLaren says he's a "passionate advocate for 'a new kind of Christianity' ? just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good." April, Jeremy and Paul talk with Brian about his newest book "Do I Stay Christian?" Get Brian's book and learn more about his work at www.brianmclaren.net Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
You Will Always Belong: Matthew Paul Turner
Episode 8
You Will Always Belong: Matthew Paul Turner
Renowned children's book author Matthew Paul Turner joins April and Paul to talk about his journey to being an openly gay Christian man and the impact his own embrace of authenticity has had on the books he writes. Get his latest book: You Will Always Belong Follow Matthew on social media: @matthewpaulturner Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish , @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul ,
Chauvin Trial, Conservative Evangelicals & Worship Music
Episode 9
Chauvin Trial, Conservative Evangelicals & Worship Music
Season 2, Episode 1. The team responds to the Chauvin guilty verdict and how christians have responded. We respond to a listener question on how to talk to conservative evangelicals still in your life. We each tell our favorite hate comment of the week and go into an impromptu discussion on Worship Music - the good, the bad and the weird. Follow us on Tiktok: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok , @aprilajoy, @jeremycradio
CSA & Church Abuse with Mary Katherine Backstrom
Episode 9
CSA & Church Abuse with Mary Katherine Backstrom
Bestselling author, blogger and social media activist Mary Katherine Backstrom joins Evangelicalish this week to talk about being a survivor of CSA (child sexual abuse) and how her church responded when she reported it to them. We also touch on purity culture and the cover it gives to abusers. Then the show ends with a new game - Two Truths & A Lie - but with comments we've each received on our individual platforms. Buy MK's book Holy Hot Mess here: https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Hot-Mess-Finding-Wonderful/dp/1546015493 Follow MK on FB: https://www.facebook.com/MKBackstrom Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy or email us: [email protected]
A Chat with Dara Starr Tucker
Episode 9
A Chat with Dara Starr Tucker
Singer/Songwriter and social commentator Dara Starr Tucker joins April, Jeremy and Paul in this episode. They discuss a wide range of topics, from the school shooting in Nashville to the white evangelical response to President Obama being elected and wild charismatic services we used to attend. Follow Dara on YouTube: @DaraStarrTucker TikTok: @darastarrtucker Instagram: @daratuckerb Dara is a content creator who shares captivating commentaries on race and social issues, music and the arts, education and political action. Her work has been featured in campaigns for HBO, FX, and Ebony/Jet Magazine. She has amassed a social media following of over 1 million people across all platforms. Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Disruptive, Authentic, Inclusive: Pastor Kristian A. Smith
Episode 9
Disruptive, Authentic, Inclusive: Pastor Kristian A. Smith
April and Paul talk with Kristian Smith, a pastor and host of the Holy Smokes: Cigars and Spirituality Podcast. Kristian identifies as a Spiritual Humanist and is doing great work in the deconstruction space. In this episode, he discusses his journey to becoming LGBTQ affirming, White evangelicalism, the Black church and being a Spiritual Humanist. We also react to some Evangelicringe videos. Get connected with Kristian's work: www.holysmokesmovement.com Follow Kristian online: @thekristianasmith Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish , @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul ,
Right Wing Extremes, Pulpit Politics & Cringe Church Stories
Episode 10
Right Wing Extremes, Pulpit Politics & Cringe Church Stories
April, Jeremy & Paul discuss how evangelicals spread misinformation & downplay Covid from the pulpit and how extreme politics infiltrated the church. They also share some cringe church stories of their own, their favorite hate comments of the week & end the show briefly talking about sex & how the church talks about it. Follow us on Tiktok: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @aprilajoy, @jeremycradio
Complicated Grief, Hillsong & Corrupt Churches- Season Finale
Episode 10
Complicated Grief, Hillsong & Corrupt Churches- Season Finale
***This is the last episode of the season. Evangelicalish will be back in May*** In this episode, Paul talks about the complicated grief of losing his father whom he had a difficult relationship with. The team talks about grief and human emotions that the church often tries to shun or dismiss. Then they talk about the new Hillsong documentary and the uncovering of more and more toxic church environments. What is there to do moving forward? Then hear them deal with trolls live who show up in the chat towards the end of the show. Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy or email us: [email protected]
Trump and Tarot Cards
Episode 10
Trump and Tarot Cards
In this episode, April shares some exciting news. Then the boys are joined by guest-host Janice Lagata. They discuss the Trump Indictment and the Christian nationalists response. Also, the crew discusses their spiritual practices after deconstruction. Finishing with a prophecy from Paul and a tarot card reading from Janice for Jeremy.
1946: The Biblical Mistranslation That Shifted Culture
Episode 10
1946: The Biblical Mistranslation That Shifted Culture
Is it true the word "homosexual" was never in any version of the Bible until 1946? And, if so, how did it get into so many different english translations? Rocky Roggio, Director of the movie 1946: The Mistranslation That Shifted Culture, joins April and Paul again to discuss their groundbreaking documentary, the heart behind and how to watch it now. To watch and learn more about the film visit: www.1946themovie.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X:? @evangelicalish , @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul
Christian Dating/Marriage & Mental Health
Episode 11
Christian Dating/Marriage & Mental Health
Jeremy & April are joined by their spouses to talk about Dominion Dating - a new christian dating app that aims to keep women submissive to men, not just in marriage, but in all forms of leadership. We also talk about Christian dating/marriage in general and mental health. Follow us on Tiktok: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok , @aprilajoy, @jeremycradio
More Cringey Clips & Roe V Wade
Episode 11
More Cringey Clips & Roe V Wade
We're back from an extended break with a new season! Paul and April are joined by Reverend Derek Terry to react to some cringey evangelical clips from the past month and discuss relevant news such as Roe v Wade. Jeremy had a last minute issue but will return on the next episode. Follow Derek online @RevDerekTerry Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy or email us: [email protected]
What is Fierce Civility?
Episode 11
What is Fierce Civility?
Joe Weston, an international trainer, coach, and?above all else?an advocate for lasting peace discusses ways to bridge divides and meaningful resolution from the lens of a Buddhist. We also look at how historically marginalized communities in our society might feel "civility" of any level of fierceness might not be possible for them. Joe joins Paul, Jeremy and guest co-host Janie Lagata for this lively discussion. https://joeweston.com/
Deconstructing "Traditional" Marriage
Episode 11
Deconstructing "Traditional" Marriage
Dr. Dana Hicks, author of The Knot, joins April and Paul for a discussion about new ways to think about marriage. Dana has researched marriage and divorce, and lived through both himself, even when he was a pastor. His conclusion? There's got to be a better way than what some call "biblical" marriage. Get connected with Dana's work: danahicks.blog Get his book: The Knot: How to Secure Healthy, Modern Relationships While Not Being Tied to Marriage's Past Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish , @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul ,
Liz Cheney, Leaving the Republican Party & the Best Hate Comment Yet
Episode 12
Liz Cheney, Leaving the Republican Party & the Best Hate Comment Yet
The gang talks about Liz Cheney and the state of the GOP. After months of baseless election fraud claims and extremism becoming the norm, Paul officially changed his voter registration and left the Republican party. We discuss why we can no longer be Republican and how that relates to the lowest numbers of church attendance in history. And based on our favorite hate comment, we discuss which one of us is the beast, the anti-christ and the false prophet. Follow us on Tiktok: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok ,@aprilajoy, @jeremycradio
Mass Shootings, Greg Locke & Madison Cawthorn
Episode 12
Mass Shootings, Greg Locke & Madison Cawthorn
Paul, Jeremy and April discuss the Buffalo shooting, the racism/white supremacy behind it and what to do about America's gun problem. Greg Locke went viral again for saying you can't be a christian and vote democrat. Should his tax exemption be taken away? Why isn't the government doing anything about extremist pastors? Finally, Madison Cawthorn lost his re-election bid. We discuss what we think is next for the problematic, failed republican. Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy or email us: [email protected]
Taxing the Church and Truth v. Fox News
Episode 12
Taxing the Church and Truth v. Fox News
"Tax the Church!" is an often-heard cry amongst the deconstruction community, but is there good reason to do so? Jeremy, Paul and guest co-host Janice Lagata discuss the nuance of taxing and tithing in American churches. Also, why is Fox News the "CNN" (Christian News Network) of evangelical Christians. The team discusses why truth should be allowed to set us all free again!
Hell is a World Without You - Growing up Evangelical
Episode 12
Hell is a World Without You - Growing up Evangelical
Jason Kirk joins Paul and April for a fun conversation about growing up evangelical. Jason is the author of the funny ex-vangelical novel Hell Is A World Without You and co-host of Vacation Bible School ? a podcast with his wife, Emily. We also react to clips of Pastor Mark Driscoll and the drama he caused at the Stronger Men's Conference this past weekend. Get Jason Kirk's novel: https://www.jasonkirk.fyi/p/novel Follow Jason: @JasonKirk_fyi Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish , @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul ,
Israel, Palestine & Evangelicals
Episode 13
Israel, Palestine & Evangelicals
Paul, April and guest Pastor Adam Ericksen discuss the conflict between the Israelis & Palestinians and how American Christians have responded. We also talk about end times prophecy and why so many evangelicals seem to support Israel at all costs. Follow us on TikTok: @Evangelicalish, @adamericksen1 , @pastorpaul_tiktok, @aprilajoy
Uvalde, SBC Report, Rage Prayer
Episode 13
Uvalde, SBC Report, Rage Prayer
April and Jeremy are joined by guest Reverend Elizabeth Riley to talk about the world: the Uvalde Elementary school shooting, the report that was released on the Southern Baptist Convention sexual abuse and cover-ups and the Indiana Pastor pulpit confession to adultery that was actually CSA. Rev Riley then leads us all in a rage prayer as we sit in the heaviness of the moment. Then we talk about how we move forward and how we make change. At the end, April reads a real thread by a Twitter account called "Alpha Masculinity" who is against women riding horses and bicycles. And we all read a hate comment of the week. Follow Reverend Elizabeth on TikTok, IG @therevriley Follow the Evangelicalish team on TikTok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy or email us: [email protected]
Discussing New Research on Religious Trauma
Episode 13
Discussing New Research on Religious Trauma
So often we hear Christians say of deconstructionists "oh they are hurt." Well, turns out scientific research says this is likely true, but ought to be treated as a negative attribute of the American Christian Church, not as an excuse to victim-blame but it. Guest Darren Slade's organization, the Global Center for Religious Research, defines religious trauma as resulting "from an event, series of events, relationships, or circumstances within or connected to religious beliefs, practices, or structures that is experienced by an individual as overwhelming or disruptive and has lasting adverse effects on a person?s physical, mental, social, emotional, or spiritual well-being." For more information or to access resources about religious trauma, check out the Global Center for Religious Research website at https://www.gcrr.org/ Darren Slade is a theological historian, systematician, and critical rationalist philosopher from Denver, Colorado. Specializing in historic-speculative theology, theoretical metaphysics, and the socio-political development of religious belief systems, Darren's academic publications include topics ranging from the philosophy of religion, ancient Near Eastern and Second-Temple hermeneutical practices, church and Islamic history, and the psychology of religion.
Becoming a Guncle : From Publicly Outed to Proudly Out with Jonathan Merritt
Episode 13
Becoming a Guncle : From Publicly Outed to Proudly Out with Jonathan Merritt
Author and award-winning columnist Jonathan Merritt joins Paul and April to discuss his journey from being publicly outed to being proudly out and his new children's book My Guncle and Me. He also talks about his own faith, his relationship with his pastor parents and his inspiration to write My Guncle and Me. Buy the book: www.myguncleandme.com Connect with Jonathan's work. www.jonathanmerritt.com Follow Jonathan: @JonathanMerritt Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish , @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul ,
Civil Discourse, Another Exiting Baptist & the GOP Blocks Jan. 6th Commission
Episode 14
Civil Discourse, Another Exiting Baptist & the GOP Blocks Jan. 6th Commission
April, Jeremy & Paul discuss issues of the day in Christianity, culture and politics. This week's topics: Deconstruction & discourse - how do we keep it civil; Another leader of the Southern Baptist Convention (Russell Moore) has left the denomination; the GOP seems to have amnesia about January 6th & hate comments of the week! Oh, and happy Pride month! :)
George Floyd/BLM and The "Exvangelical" Movement
Episode 14
George Floyd/BLM and The "Exvangelical" Movement
One year later, what have we learned from the police murder of George Floyd? Also, DC Talk's Kevin Max recently confirmed he's an "Exvangelical." Why are more famous people turning up "Exvangelicals?" and what does this mean for the church? Follow us on TikTok: @Evangelicalish, @jeremycradio, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @aprilajoy
Life as a Non-Binary Christian
Episode 14
Life as a Non-Binary Christian
Paul, Jeremy and April are joined by April's spouse Beecher Reuning (they/them) as we discuss what life as a non-binary Christian looks like in the evangelical-ish world. They tell us about their journey from suppressing their gender dysphoria and viewing it as something that needed fixing to now fully embracing & celebrating their God-given non-binary identity. Listen to Beecher and April's story on their podcast The Non-Binary Marriage. Follow Beecher on social media @hellobeecher Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy or email us: [email protected]
Is This Religious Trauma?
Episode 14
Is This Religious Trauma?
Guest co-host Malynda Hale joins Jeremy and Paul to discuss religious trauma. Why do we downplay or even deny the effects religion has had on us in our lives? How do we face that reality that religious created trauma responses in us and what do we do about it today? Guest Co-Host Malynda Hale hosts the "We Need to Talk" Podcast. Check it out here Find out more about Malynda here or on social media @MalyndaHale
The History of Christian Zionism
Episode 14
The History of Christian Zionism
April and Paul talk with historian Daniel Hummel on the history of Christian Zionism: what it is, how it started, who espouses it and the harm it causes today. Daniel G. Hummel is the Director of The Lumen Center in Madison, WI and a research fellow in the History Department at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He received his PhD in American history from the University of Wisconsin-Madison and has been a research fellow at the Institute for Research in the Humanities and the Harvard Kennedy School at Harvard University. He is the author of two books: Covenant Brothers: Evangelicals, Jews, and U.S.-Israel Relations and The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism: How the Evangelical Battle Over the End Times Shaped a Nation. Keep up with Daniel's work: www.danielghummel.com Get his latest book titled The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism: How the Evangelical Battle Over the End Times Shaped a Nation.
Pride Month & the Church
Episode 15
Pride Month & the Church
A new Gallop poll shows that for the first time, the majority of Republicans support Gay Marriage. But why are so many conservative evangelicals still so against PRIDE month? Paul & April talk about LGBTQ+ issues in the Church and why the Rainbow should be embraced & not "reclaimed." We also discuss whether or not Christians should be political and end with hate comments of the week. Follow us on Tiktok: @evangelicalish, @aprilajoy, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @jeremycradio
Pride Month & Jan 6 Hearings
Episode 15
Pride Month & Jan 6 Hearings
**Last Episode of Season 7. We will be back July 6. ** In this episode, we talk about Pride month and our own journeys to becoming theologically affirming of LGBTQ+. Then we talk about the Jan 6 hearings and is there anything to convince people out of "the big lie." We end the episode reacting to another cringey christian movie. Follow the Evangelicalish team on TikTok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy or email us: [email protected]
It?s Gettin Hot in Here: Are We the Frogs in the Kettle?
Episode 15
It?s Gettin Hot in Here: Are We the Frogs in the Kettle?
Should we truly fear Christian Nationalism? Could it be this time in America has a rising heat of so many crazy things are happening that we don?t really realize how bad and scary things are? Guest Co-host Malynda Hale joins Jeremy and Paul to discuss on this edition of Evangelicalish Find more about Malynda here: https://malyndahale.com/
Taking Off the Tinfoil Hat: Conspiracies in Christianity
Episode 15
Taking Off the Tinfoil Hat: Conspiracies in Christianity
Cynane Shay of Taking off the Tinfoil Hat joins April and Paul for a chat about conspiracy theories within evangelicalism. Cynane is a nuclear engineer living in South Carolina. Her childhood in White Christian Nationalism (Florida-style) normalized conspiracy theories like Obama Birtherism and the Biblical apocalypse; but 2020, with COVID and Qanon, finally made her realize something was deeply wrong. Now Cynane is writing a book, ?Taking Off the Tinfoil Hat: How Lizard People and Space Lasers Dismantled my Christian Worldview,? to process the deconstruction of her fundamentalist evangelicalism and her propagandistic patriotism. Losing loved ones to the pandemic was a tragedy, but losing loved ones to the rabbit hole was its own tragedy and Cynane needed to understand the ?why.? So from Flat Earth to the IBLP cult to Jewish space lasers, she pulled the thread, cracked her faith, and found the inseparable link between cults, conspiracy theories, and American White Christian Nationalism. TakingOffTheTinfoilHat.com
Modest is Hottest?/Purity Culture & Church Patriotism
Episode 16
Modest is Hottest?/Purity Culture & Church Patriotism
Paul, April & Jeremy are back with season 3 to talk about Matthew West's new song 'Modest is Hottest' and the backlash he received. April talks about how growing up in Purity Culture directly impacted her life. We also talk about the church's obsession with America, patriotism and our hate comments of the week. Follow us on TikTok: @evangelicalish @aprilajoy @jeremycradio @pastorpaul_tiktok
Women of Deconstruction and Paul
Episode 16
Women of Deconstruction and Paul
Evangelical leader David Jeremiah recently said the exvangelical movement is the beginning of the end times. To talk about it, Paul and April are joined by fellow TikTok creators Pastor Abbey, Rachel & Lindsay. They also talk about deconstructing evangelicalism, finding new community and misogyny in the church. Follow us on TikTok: @evangelicalish, @aprilajoy, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @bhambluedot, @youknowthatonegirlrachel, @thatabbeysmith
A Chat with Rev Brandan Robertson
Episode 16
A Chat with Rev Brandan Robertson
We kick off our new season talking with guest Reverend Brandan Robertson - to hear his story from being the next big up-and-coming evangelical preacher to a now openly gay pastor. We also talk about patriotism in the church and christian music we had to listen to as kids. Brandan's website: https://www.brandanrobertson.com/ TikTok: @revbrandanrobertson Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy or email us: [email protected]
Pride Goes Before the Boycott
Episode 16
Pride Goes Before the Boycott
Why do so many evangelicals seem extra hateful during Pride Month? Boycotts are everywhere - Target, Bud Lite and Chick Fil A? We discuss all this and more. Don't miss our reunion show as April returns from her sabbatical. Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Heaven Bent: A Conversation with Tara Jean Stevens
Episode 16
Heaven Bent: A Conversation with Tara Jean Stevens
Tara Jean Stevens joins April and Paul to talk about recent church controversies, such as IHOPKC, and the manipulation that is easily found in these environments. Her chart-topping podcast, Heaven Bent, a spotlights Pentecostal and Charismatic movements and helps victims and survivors find healing through telling their stories. Tara Jean has also been a fan-favorite on Vancouver radio & TV, for nearly 25 years. Today, you can hear her Smooth Jazz morning show, weekdays, on WAVE 98.3 - Vancouver?s Coolest Vibe. Listen to Heaven Bent Podcast Follow Heaven Bent on social media
Where We Are in Deconstruction, Live Q&A
Episode 17
Where We Are in Deconstruction, Live Q&A
Where are April, Jeremy and Paul in their spiritual journey today? They discuss things they've learned and are still figuring out after starting the faith deconstruction process. They also answer submitted questions such as: Things outside the church that have helped them deconstruct, building a bridge with current evangelicals, and God the mother (embracing a non-binary, gender-free God). Follow us on TikTok: @evangelicalish , @aprilajoy @pastorpaul_tiktok , @jeremycradio
If We Could Talk To Our Younger Evangelical Selves
Episode 17
If We Could Talk To Our Younger Evangelical Selves
In this episode, Paul and April talk about their former evangelical selves: what would they say to us today? What would we say to them? We also share some cringey Church Kid's Camp stories and discuss the continued harm of purity culture. Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy or email us: [email protected]
Bad Stuff Happens in the Bathroom - Trump Indictment #2
Episode 17
Bad Stuff Happens in the Bathroom - Trump Indictment #2
In this episode, we talk about Trump's second indictment and what that means for the 2024 election. Why are so many evangelicals still on team trump? (Also we are NOT legal experts and probably guessed wrong. Please look up facts on the laws of the land and not rely on our legal commentary:)) AND the SBC ousted Saddleback Church for ordaining women and we talk all about it and how their rhetoric harms women. Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
The Exvangelicals with Sarah McCammon
Episode 17
The Exvangelicals with Sarah McCammon
This week, April and Paul have a conversation with Sarah McCammon, the author of The Exvangelicals: Loving, Living, and Leaving the White Evangelical Church, a 2024 book that is part memoir and part journalism, about the movement of people who grew up inside the powerful evangelical subculture and ultimately left it behind. Sarah McCammon is a National Political Correspondent for NPR and co-host of the NPR Politics Podcast. Her work focuses on political, social and cultural divides in America, including abortion policy and the intersections of politics and religion. She's also a frequent guest host for NPR news programs.
D.I.D., Mental Health & the Church
Episode 18
D.I.D., Mental Health & the Church
Paul, April & Jeremy start by talking about semi-famous people who attacked them this week (Skillet, Ben Shapiro). Then they get into the meat of the show: mental health and how evangelicals get it wrong. Jenna Kraft ( ?@Gianu System? ) joins the show to talk about her story with having D.I.D. (dissociative identity disorder), how their system works and how she's not demon-possessed despite being accused of that. She uses her platform to break down the stigma around D.I.D. and other mental health issues. We discuss where the church has got it wrong in how they handle mental health. Follow us on TikTok/Instagram: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @jeremycradio, @aprilajoy, @gianusystem
Leaving Hillsong with Janice Lagata
Episode 18
Leaving Hillsong with Janice Lagata
Janice Lagata was a member/stage manager/super volunteer at Hillsong NYC and was featured in the recent Hillsong Documentary on Discovery+. She's shares her experience with Hillsong and why she left. Then we talk about Mega Churches in general. We finish the episode doing impromptu sermon illustrations/altar calls based on prompts given to us in the live chat. Follow Janice on Instagram: @godhasnotgiven www.janicelagata.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
A Pastor Coming Out Story with Mike Maeshiro
Episode 18
A Pastor Coming Out Story with Mike Maeshiro
Former Bethel pastor Mike Maeshiro tells us his story about coming out and accepting himself as gay man and how he realized God affirmed his identity all along. Follow Mike on IG, FB and YouTube: @mikemaeshiro https://www.mikemaeshiro.com/ ------------ Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
The Bible's Data vs Pride Month Dogma with Dr. Dan McClellan
Episode 18
The Bible's Data vs Pride Month Dogma with Dr. Dan McClellan
Dr. Dan McClellan is back! He joins Paul and April to talk about what the Bible actually says when it comes to all of the "clobber" passages certain Christians like to use against LGBTQ people. Dan McClellan is a public scholar of the Bible and religion. He received his PhD in theology and religion from the University of Exeter. In 2022 he published YHWH's Divine Images: A Cognitive Approach as an open-access book. He worked for a decade as a scripture translation supervisor for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and in 2023 transitioned to full-time public scholarship. He goes by @maklelan across several social media platforms, as well as on the Data Over Dogma Podcast, where he seeks to increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion and combat the spread of misinformation about the same.
Simone Biles, Jan. 6 Testimonies & Can Good Be Salvaged From Harmful Churches?
Episode 19
Simone Biles, Jan. 6 Testimonies & Can Good Be Salvaged From Harmful Churches?
April, Jeremy and Paul talk conservative hatred towards Simone Biles and the Capitol Police. We also discuss the Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, Mark Driscoll and is it possible to hold onto the good after seeing the ugly in evangelical churches? Follow @evangelicalish on Twitter, Tiktok, Instagram and Facebook. Follow us on TikTok: @jeremycradio @pastorpaul_tiktok @aprilajoy
Making Idols Out of A$$holes
Episode 19
Making Idols Out of A$$holes
Why are evangelicals drawn to assholes? Why do Christians want our leaders to be jerks? We discuss the elevation of bigots and nationalism on the main stage in evangelicalism/republicanism. Also, we talk about grieving in deconstruction: the best and worst parts of leaving your church community. We finish the episode talking about Greg Locke's "angel wings" aka back sweat. Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Shiny Happy Podcast: Inside IBLP
Episode 19
Shiny Happy Podcast: Inside IBLP
Shiny Happy People is a docuseries on Prime that is making waves. In this episode, we're joined by Tara and Floyd Oathout, who were featured in the doc. They share more of their story inside Bill Gothard's IBLP (Institute in Basic Life Principles - made popular by the Duggars), their experience with the doc, fundamentalism in general and how they got out. Follow Floyd and Tara on Tiktok and IG: @advocateaverage_ Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Everybody Goes to Hell In Somebody Else's Religion with Candi Carpenter
Episode 19
Everybody Goes to Hell In Somebody Else's Religion with Candi Carpenter
Singer, Songwriter, Musician Candi Carpenter ( @candicarpenter on social media platforms) joins April and Paul to discuss their new album Demonology, with the great song "Everybody Goes to Hell," and how they got to where they are after deconstructing their Christian upbringing. Follow Candi and check out her music: www.candicarpenter.com
The End Times and Anti-American "Patriots"?
Episode 20
The End Times and Anti-American "Patriots"?
Are we in the end times? Ever since we can remember, the evangelical church has been warning that we are in the end times and that the Rapture is imminent. We discuss where we are on this belief and the fear tactics used to enforce end times rhetoric. We also talk about the far-right and how their "patriotism" is actually anti-american. This discussion was brought on by this article by VOX "The Anti-American Right": https://www.vox.com/22600500/olympics... Follow us on Twitter, Instagram & Facebook @Evangelicalish We also have a Facebook group to continue the discussion & community throughout the week. Request to join here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/10246... Follow us on TikTok: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @jeremycradio, @aprilajoy
About the Bible with Dr. Dan McClellan
Episode 20
About the Bible with Dr. Dan McClellan
Are the stories in the Bible literal? Allegorical? Moral Fables? So often then Bible doesn?t really say what we?re told it says. How should one read the bible today? Dr. Dan McClellen helps set the story straight and blows our minds in the process. Follow Dan on TikTok, IG or Twitter: @maklelan Sign up for his class on the Goddess Asherah here: https://dan-mcclellan.square.site/ Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
The Trump Effect (We're Back!)
Episode 20
The Trump Effect (We're Back!)
Paul, April and Jeremy are reunited and it feels so good! We're back from our summer break and catch up on what we missed. We talk Trump Trust - as people say they trust Trump more than family and if there's anything to do about it. We also discuss where we are on our faith journey and share our hate comments of the week! Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
ISH Reunion: Paul, Jeremy and April Together One Last Time
Episode 20
ISH Reunion: Paul, Jeremy and April Together One Last Time
In this episode, Jeremy returns with Paul for April's last episode as co-host of Evangelicalish. The 3 talk about the upcoming election, react to a few Evangelicringe videos and discuss plans for the future. Jeremy and April share their new endeavors and Paul talks about their plans for the future of Evangelicalish. Paul and Ashley (Paul's wife) will return with Evangelicalish next week. Follow Jeremy @pastorfromok Follow April @aprilajoy and pre-order her book Star-Spangled Jesus. Follow Paul @unconventionalpastorpaul and follow @evangelicalish everywhere.
Christian Democrats, Nationalism & Covid Conspiracies
Episode 21
Christian Democrats, Nationalism & Covid Conspiracies
Kelly Krout, a christian democrat who ran for office in Arkansas, joins April & Jeremy to discuss faith in politics and how faith led them away from their former conservative beliefs. They also discuss the Covid vaccine, how Christian nationalism is prolonging the pandemic and the ridiculous Covid conspiracies running rampant in conservative circles. Follow Kelly on TikTok @kellyrosskrout Follow us on Twitter, Instagram & Facebook @Evangelicalish Follow us on TikTok: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @jeremycradio, @aprilajoy
Two Christians and an Atheist Walk Into a Podcast
Episode 21
Two Christians and an Atheist Walk Into a Podcast
Podcaster and Comedian David C. Smalley joins us to talk atheism, morality and Christian Nationalism. He also shares how he finally had a breakthrough of common ground with a Trump supporting family member and gives advice on how to talk to others trapped in their echo chamber. Follow David: ?@davidcsmalley? https://www.davidcsmalley.com/ Check out our new website and join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Join us LIVE in Nashville on Sat. Oct 1, 2022. Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
September 11 and the Church | PragerU in Public Schools
Episode 21
September 11 and the Church | PragerU in Public Schools
Paul and April are joined again by content creator and former pastor Abbey Smith to talk about September 11 and how it changed our lives and the church in the last 22 years. And new rulings will allow Conservative media PragerU to teach rightwing views in public schools in Florida and Oklahoma. Abbey and April blind react to a couple PragerU videos to get an idea of what level of propaganda will be taught. Find Abbey at her website: thatabbeysmith.com or follow her on social media @thatabbeysmith Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Afghanistan, School Mask Mandates & Improv Altar Calls
Episode 22
Afghanistan, School Mask Mandates & Improv Altar Calls
On the last episode of the 3rd season, Jeremy, Paul & April talk about the terror that is happening in Afghanistan, how we got here, and what we can do now. They also talk about mask mandates as kids go back to school and the parent protests popping up in school board meetings across the nation. They end the season on a fun note: Improv altar calls. The topics for the sermon illustrations were given in the live chat of this episode. Follow us on Twitter, Facebook, Twitter @Evangelicalish Join our private Facebook group for community throughout the week: Evangelicalish Podcast Group Follow us on TikTok: @evangelicalish @pastorpaul_tiktok @pastorfromok @aprilajoy
Matt Chandler, Debt Forgiveness and The Billy Graham Rule Mad-lib
Episode 22
Matt Chandler, Debt Forgiveness and The Billy Graham Rule Mad-lib
Village Church Pastor Matt Chandler announced he is stepping away from the pulpit after sliding into the DMs of a woman who is not his wife but claim there was nothing romantic or sexual about it. Is there more to the story or was his sin having a female friend? We discuss and go into the depth on the Billy Graham Rule (that no man should ever be alone with a woman who is not his wife). Then we talk about Biden's 10k student loan forgiveness and the response from conservative christians. And we end with a super fun Billy Graham Rule inspired Mad Lib. Check out our new website and join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Join us LIVE in Nashville on Sat. Oct 1, 2022. Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Being Muslim in America
Episode 22
Being Muslim in America
Emad Meerza, an American Muslim, joins us to share about his faith that is widely misunderstood in evangelical culture. Emad has served as an Imam and as the elected Amir (a Islamic religious and community leader). He has also assisted the FBI, DOH and other government institutions by providing Islamic Training lectures. He is co-host of a podcast called A Christian and a Muslim Walk Into A Studio. Paul and April chat with him about their own misconceptions about Islam, what is different between our faiths and what is the same. Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Jeremy Resigns From His Church, Texas Abortion Bill, Fun Q&A
Episode 23
Jeremy Resigns From His Church, Texas Abortion Bill, Fun Q&A
Join us as we kick off season 4 of Evangelicalish. Jeremy recently resigned from his church as Worship Pastor and tells a bit of that journey. The team discusses the feelings of leaving a church community behind and what church means for them going forward. They also dive into the new Texas Abortion Law. If you want to hear them argue about pointless things, you'll enjoy the the lighthearted Q&A at the end. Follow us on Twitter, Facebook, Twitter @Evangelicalish Join our private Facebook group for community throughout the week: Evangelicalish Podcast Group Follow us on TikTok: @evangelicalish @pastorpaul_tiktok @pastorfromok @aprilajoy
'My Gay Church Days'
Episode 23
'My Gay Church Days'
In this episode, April and Jeremy talk with George Azar about his story going from an evangelical pastor that "struggled with same-sex attraction" to leaving the church to embrace himself as a gay man. We talk about his upcoming book "My Gay Church Days" and what life was like for him to get to this point. Follow George ?@My Gay Church Days? Pre-order his book: https://www.mygaychurchdays.com/ Check out our new website and join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Join us LIVE in Nashville on Sat. Oct 1, 2022. Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
MLMs and the Church
Episode 23
MLMs and the Church
Our guest this week is Roberta Blevins, a former Hun, who left the MLM world in 2017 and began publicly educating and speaking out against it. She's been featured in the LuLaRich documentary for her time in LuLaRoe and in Bloomberg, Vice News and lots of other press outlets. She talks to us about her time in MLMs, what makes them culty and why evangelical churches so susceptible to them. Connect with Roberta at her website: https://robertablevins.com/ Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Are American Evangelicals Listening?
Episode 24
Are American Evangelicals Listening?
Countless exvangelicals have been sounding the alarms about the American Evangelical church but nothing seems to be changing. To discuss what can be done, Jeremy & April are joined by Antwuan Malone who is the Executive Director of Elevate a young adult ministry in Texas and host of Colored Commentary podcast. He is working within evangelical spaces to try to get churches to listen to the stories of those hurt by the church. The three of them discuss how that's been going and is it worth trying to change from within. The show ends with a fun Q&A. Follow Antwaun on social media @antwaunmalone https://antwuanmalone.com/ Follow us on Twitter, Facebook, Twitter @Evangelicalish Join our private Facebook group for community throughout the week: Evangelicalish Podcast Group Follow us on TikTok: @evangelicalish @pastorpaul_tiktok @pastorfromok @aprilajoy
A Chat with Kevin Max
Episode 24
A Chat with Kevin Max
Member of popular Christian Band DC Talk, now an exvangelical, Kevin Max joins us. We discuss how life has been since he tweeted he is an exvangelical, his deconstruction journey, and his upcoming Winter Woods album. We also talk about Lord of the Rings and other fantasy world things just for fun. Support his Winter Woods Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kevinmax/winter-woods www.kevinmax.com Check out our new website and join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Join us LIVE in Nashville on Sat. Oct 1, 2022. Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Are Witches Really Spooky?
Episode 24
Are Witches Really Spooky?
If you grew up evangelical like we did, you were probably taught that anything "witchy" was evil and satanic. So, let's find out the truth about modern witchcraft. Hana O'Neill, aka The Suburban Witch, joins April and Paul to talk about all about it. Hana is a Professional Tarot reader, Natal Astrologer and Witch located in Australia. Her goal is to make witchcraft and alternative spirituality easy, fun and accessible to all. She hosts the podcast ?Witch Talks? interviewing key Witches in the community, has a thriving YouTube channel with content from Spellcrafting, Tarot tutorials, Witchcraft basics and even details her own journey from Pentecostal Christian to proud Witch. Find out more about Hana's work at www.suburbanwitchery.com Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
SBC Abuse Cover-Up and Evangelical Gullibility
Episode 25
SBC Abuse Cover-Up and Evangelical Gullibility
Paul, April and Jeremy discuss the Southern Baptist Convention's decision to have a closed investigation of the more than 700 sexual abuse cases within SBC churches. The messengers wanted an open investigation and full transparency of all findings, and the higher ups at the SBC voted against the will of the people to protect themselves. So, they discuss the implications of this and how widespread abuse is in churches beyond the SBC. They also talk about the gullibility of evangelicals and how 19 of the top 20 Christian Facebook pages were controlled by foreign troll farms. https://www.relevantmagazine.com/culture/tech-gaming/almost-all-of-facebooks-top-christian-pages-are-run-by-foreign-troll-farms/ The show ends with some improv sermon illustrations. Follow us on TikTok, Facebook, IG, Twitter: @evangelicalish @pastorpaul_tiktok @pastorfromok @aprilajoy
Christian Migrant Abuse, License Plates & Nationalist Salutes
Episode 25
Christian Migrant Abuse, License Plates & Nationalist Salutes
Are Ron DeSantis' actions "Christ-like?" Should we be worried that cars in Tennessee are now numerically marked as "Christian" or "Non-Christian?" and what on earth is going on at Trump rallies with culty salutes? Join us in Nashville LIVE Oct. 1 at the Lipstick Lounge. https://evangelicalish.podia.com/nashvillesplash
GOP Speaker's Loud Christian Nationalism
Episode 25
GOP Speaker's Loud Christian Nationalism
Jeremy, Paul and April discuss the overt Christian Nationalism of the new GOP Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson. Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
God's Not Dead, Bad Christian Art & Facebook Stuff
Episode 26
God's Not Dead, Bad Christian Art & Facebook Stuff
Jeremy watches the God's Not Dead 4 trailer for the first time live on this episode. Paul, April and Jeremy then talk at length about the God's Not Dead movies and other bad Christian art. They also talk about the Facebook whistleblower and the impact of social media sites becoming targeted echo chambers. They end the show with coming up with titles for God's Not Dead 5 and read live responses from the chat. Follow us on TikTok, Facebook, IG, Twitter: @evangelicalish @pastorpaul_tiktok @pastorfromok @aprilajoy
Evangelicalish LIVE (Nashville, TN)
Episode 26
Evangelicalish LIVE (Nashville, TN)
The Evangelicalish crew does their first live event from the historic Lipstick Lounge in Nashville, Tennessee! Trust us you're gonna wanna take a listen to this one! The real conversations about community, family, and love was powerful, and the jokes were epic. Also, did we mention MADLIBS? That's right! April writes an epic Madlib for the live event that will leave you on the floor while Paul and Jeremy struggle to keep a straight face. Check out our new website and join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Dr. David P. Gushee on Saving Democracy From Its Christian Enemy
Episode 26
Dr. David P. Gushee on Saving Democracy From Its Christian Enemy
American democracy is in danger at the hands of authoritarian-seeking Christians according to Christian ethicist Dr. David P. Gushee. His newest book "Defending Democracy from Its Christian Enemies" calls us to sane, ethical, and compassionate politics in a world where many Christians are instigating discord and vying for power. Join April, Jeremy and Paul as they discuss with Gushee his view on the dangers of our current form of political engagement and with insight into what Christian interaction with democracy is truly meant to be. Click Here For Dr. David P. Gushee's Website Get His Latest Book Here: "Defending Democracy From Its Christian Enemies" Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy
Halloween, HeII Houses & Jon Gruden
Episode 27
Halloween, HeII Houses & Jon Gruden
It's October and churches are gearing up for their Harvest Fests, Hallelujah Nights or Judgment/Hell Houses. April, Paul and Jeremy talk all things Halloween and the fear tactics used by Evangelical churches over the years. Then, they discuss Coach Jon Gruden resigning from the Las Vegas Raiders amid racist, homophobic and misogynistic emails that recently surfaced. They talk about the difference between persecution and accountability. The episode ends with a new segment called 2-Minute Takes where they talk about whatever is on their mind for a timed two minutes. Follow us on TikTok, Facebook, IG, Twitter: @evangelicalish @pastorpaul_tiktok @pastorfromok @aprilajoy
Women's Revolution in Iran with Kristina Hart
Episode 27
Women's Revolution in Iran with Kristina Hart
Writer and Comedian Kristina Hart joins Evangelicalish to talk about her experience as a Persian woman and child of Iranian immigrants living in America and how that influenced some her deconstruction journey. She talks about the women's revolution happening in Iran, why it matters and how we can help. Follow her on social media @edgykristinahart Buy her shirt "I'm a love your neighbor Christian, not a storm the Capitol kind" https://www.superweirdpod.com/kristina-hart-merch Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Thankful for Thanksgiving?
Episode 27
Thankful for Thanksgiving?
Janice Lagata is back as a guest host for our discussion on Thanksgiving and dealing with the holidays - family dynamics, problematic history and finding ways to be thankful in a brutal world. Follow Janice @godhasnotgiven on IG/Tiktok or visit janicelagata.com Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy
Immigration & the Border; Decolonizing Faith w/ Pastor Alex Vaiz
Episode 28
Immigration & the Border; Decolonizing Faith w/ Pastor Alex Vaiz
Paul, Jeremy and April are joined with special guest Pastor Alex Vaiz to talk about his experience as a Pastor of Color within White evangelical spaces and the importance of decolonizing your faith. He also talks about his experience going down to the southern border and what Christianity should look like when it comes to immigration. Links to organizations Alex mentioned: Al Otro Lado (AOL) (CA border)- https://alotrolado.org We Care- https://somoswecare.com Matthew25 (CA border)- https://matthew25socal.org Ra?ces (Texas border)- https://raicestexas.org Global Immersion- https://globalimmerse.org NM Cafe (New Mexico border)- https://organizenm.org Follow us on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @alexvaiz, @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktik, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy
Going to Hell-ish
Episode 28
Going to Hell-ish
It's spooky season, so for Halloween we wanted to talk about the scariest thing in evangelical dogma: Hell. In this episode, we talk all about the after life: The different views of hell and what we believe now. Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
What Makes You Bloom with Kevin Garcia
Episode 28
What Makes You Bloom with Kevin Garcia
When we leave conservative faith traditions behind due to toxic theology, bigotry, and harm, do we also lose our spiritual rhythm? Kevin Garcia wants to help people see they can still gather, pray, worship and have connection to heaven - which they say is a connection already designed inside us. Join the ISH crew for this interesting conversation Learn more about Kevin: thekevingarcia.com Follow them on IG: @thekevingarcia Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Preorder their new book What Makes You Bloom, Available worldwide January 9, 2024.
Evangelical turned Episcopalian & Mark Driscoll TikToks w/ Pastor Joseph Yoo
Episode 29
Evangelical turned Episcopalian & Mark Driscoll TikToks w/ Pastor Joseph Yoo
April, Paul & Jeremy are joined by Pastor Joseph Yoo of Mosaic Pearland (@joseph.yoo, https://www.mosaicpearland.org/) who tells us about his journey from evangelicalism to the Episcopal church. They then talk about Mark Driscoll and his rants against "Critical Theory" on TikTok. The show ends with 2-Minute-Takes where it turns into pointless arguments about pop culture and sports. Follow us on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktik, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy
John Pavlovitz Saying What Needs To Be Said
Episode 29
John Pavlovitz Saying What Needs To Be Said
This week, Paul, Jeremy and April are joined by John Pavlovitz. John is a writer, pastor, and activist from North Carolina committed to equality, diversity, and justice while actively working for a more compassionate planet. He is the author of If God Is Love, Don?t Be a Jerk, A Bigger Table, Hope and Other Superpowers, Low, Rise, and Stuff That Needs to Be Said. https://johnpavlovitz.com/ In this episode, we discuss Christian Nationalism and the upcoming election. We also each share our Hate Comment of the Week. Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Prepping for an ISH-y Holiday Season
Episode 29
Prepping for an ISH-y Holiday Season
Have we all deconstructed Christmas? What do we do with stories like the virgin birth, wise men at the manger and Jesus ?no crying he makes? as a newborn. Laci Bean, the co-host of the ?Deadly Faith Podcast, fills in for April and the crew discuss how much, if any, losing some of those stories that made Christmas special in the past are impacting our abilities to enjoy it today. Listen in and give a 5 star rating at the end. To find More about Laci Bean and her podcast, you can find her on social media as @LaciBean or can check out her podcast page here:? https://www.patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/deadly-faith
JFK Jr, Qanon: Reclaiming Faith from the Crazy
Episode 30
JFK Jr, Qanon: Reclaiming Faith from the Crazy
Our last episode of the season! We will return live on Youtube Dec 1st at 9pm Est with the podcast dropping shortly thereafter. In this episode, we discuss the crazy Qanon conspiracy that led hundreds of people to go to Dallas to await the return of the late JFK Jr, Let's Go Brandon and other crazy stuff in conservative evangelical world. We then talk about where we are in our own faith journey, prayer, church and moving forward. How do we reclaim faith from the toxicity of the evangelical spaces we left? We each play our first viral TikToks that brought us all together and reminisce over the last year. Follow us on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1024639534974464
The Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism
Episode 30
The Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism
Paul and April talk with American journalist Katherine Stewart about her book The Power Worshippers: The Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism and how she has tracked the danger of this Christian political uprising for many years. Buy her book and learn more about Katherine here: katherinestewart.me Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Cringey Evangelical Clips, Fox News Cancels Jeremy?
Episode 31
Cringey Evangelical Clips, Fox News Cancels Jeremy?
We're back with Season 5 after our longest break yet. To make up for lost time, we react to some of the cringiest evangelical videos that we missed. Also, Jeremy recently landed on Fox News and has the threats and hate mail to prove it. We also talk about cancel culture and all the things christians have tried to cancel over the years (despite claiming to hate cancel culture). We missed you all and are glad to be back, Follow us on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1024639534974464
Would Jesus Be a Republican?
Episode 31
Would Jesus Be a Republican?
With the all the political discourse around the midterm elections, there have been lots of gatekeeping within evangelical circles. Lots of conservatives say one can't be a christian if they vote democrat. So, in this episode we discuss how Jesus' teachings line up with our modern political environment. We also react to the midterm elections, the lack of a red wave and Donald Trump's 3rd run for president. Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Deconstruction Isn't Sexy- Featuring J. Crum
Episode 32
Deconstruction Isn't Sexy- Featuring J. Crum
In this episode, April and Jeremy are joined by award-winning rapper and producer J. Crum. We listen to some of his new single "Clarity" and talk about what inspired the song and his deconstruction. His story from growing up in a Oneness Pentecostal Church to spending a few years in Master's Commission to where he is now is a fascinating and sometimes enraging journey. Then they discuss Pastor Matt Chandler and how he called deconstruction just a "sexy thing to do." The story J. Crum tells in this episode shows that deconstruction is anything but sexy. Watch Clarity Official Music Video Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00LHvLJ3HMM Follow @jcrummusic Follow us on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1024639534974464
An Indigenous Perspective on Thanksgiving & Evangelicalism
Episode 32
An Indigenous Perspective on Thanksgiving & Evangelicalism
Candice Teets joins the Evangelicalish team this week to offer an indigenous perspective to the Thanksgiving holiday. She also talks about her experience in a charismatic church, how her own indigenous culture was demonized and how she's been able to reconnect to her heritage since. Follow Candice online @candicecakes_ Sign the petition for Congress to Vote to Seat a Cherokee Delegate Check our Candice's RedBubble store, JKDesign Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Dangerous Christians & The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill Response
Episode 33
Dangerous Christians & The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill Response
There is a real threat to democracy and it's not what we were raised to be weary of: it's christian extremists. In this episode, we discuss the danger of crazy evangelical politics along with January 6 texts, Church Gun Give-aways and more. Then we give a reaction to the the Rise and Fall of Mars Hill podcast. Follow us on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy
Deconstruction Chat with The Naked Pastor
Episode 33
Deconstruction Chat with The Naked Pastor
Content creator, cartoonist, artist and theologian David Hayward, aka the Naked Pastor, joins us for a chat about deconstruction and his mission now after leaving 30 years of pastoring behind. Check out his art at nakedpastor.com buy his book "Flip It Like This" : Follow him on social media @nakedpastor Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
The Holidays & Dealing With Ultra Conservative Family
Episode 34
The Holidays & Dealing With Ultra Conservative Family
Christian Nationalism seems to be getting worse. This week, it gave a stage to Kyle Rittenhouse who was met with elaborate praise and gave a scandal-ridden ex-president (Trump) a Sunday morning pulpit. It is obviously problematic for many of us, but what do we do with family members who support and celebrate these things? To help us discuss, we are joined by Promise Enlow whose family is deeply involved with Qanon and considered leaders among several prophets who believe Trump is God's chosen. She is also a former worship leader at Bethel turned exvangelical atheist. For fun, we end the show discussing our favorite Christmas movies. We'll be back in January 2022. Happy Holidays everyone. Follow Promise on TikTok and IG @eve_wasframed Follow us on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish, @pastorpaul_tiktok, @pastorfromok, @aprilajoy
Marriage Equality and Church Christmas Productions
Episode 34
Marriage Equality and Church Christmas Productions
Season Finale** Will be back in Jan 2023* We are celebrating marriage equality being codified with the Respect for Marriage Act. We spend time talking about the bill and the christian response. Also, are expensive Christmas presentations at Church a way of honoring Jesus or a waste of money for people commanded to care for the poor? Jeremy was out sick so Episcopal Priest and overall good time Joseph Yoo joined Paul and April as co-host for the episode. Find Joseph online: https://josephyoo.com/ Check out our new Merch ISH or join our ISH Community: www.evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & Twitter: @evangelicalish , @pastorpaul_tiktok , @pastorfromok , @aprilajoy Or email us: [email protected]
Death is Not Only Important, but is a Beautiful Part of Life
Episode 99
Death is Not Only Important, but is a Beautiful Part of Life
When a person wants to stay in the comfort of status quo, they can give up the change for something new to come into their lives. In this special Evangelicalish released edition of Unconventional Conversations w/ Pastor Paul we see how wisdom from the ancient Torah and New Testament demonstrate we can find amazing new opportunities when we embrace the mourning of endings of seasons, relationships, belief systems and all kinds of things before they have to be pried from our cold dead hands.
Debating the Debate: WTF Just Happened
Episode 120
Debating the Debate: WTF Just Happened
Paul and Ashley Swearengin shared their live reactions immediately after the June 27 debate between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump. It was a painful moment. Come process with us!
Celebrating Freedom___ _freedom from religion_
Episode 122
Celebrating Freedom___ _freedom from religion_
Paul and Ashley share moments on their journey of freedom from religion and how they are looking forward emotionally and spiritually. Also discuss how to keep one's head as dark moments such as SCOTUS ruling this week and discuss a new fave YouTube show @antibot
We Saw Christian Nationalism Coming... Up Close and Personal
Episode 123
We Saw Christian Nationalism Coming... Up Close and Personal
Ashley was running for mayor of the city of Fresno, CA. Paul was leading a group that was starting a new evangelical church. Why did they feel like such a bad fit in an evangelical religion growing evermore extreme and evermore political? Listen as Paul and Ashley share of the journey, including sitting at a table at the National Prayer Breakfast with Ted Cruz AND Nancy Pelosi and being invited to a supremely cringey meeting with Doug Coe, leader of the infamous "Family," a secretive Christian group operating in Washington D.C.
We Met Sarah Palin_ Our Journey w_ Christian Nationalism
Episode 124
We Met Sarah Palin_ Our Journey w_ Christian Nationalism
In part 2 of their series on how they were in the middle of evangelicalism as Christian Nationalism had its rise around them, Paul and Ashley share about meeting Sarah Palin just after the 2008 election and about friends who tried to recruit them to be devotees to QAnon conspiracy theories. It's a wild tale of a wild shift in relgious people. And Paul and Ashley saw it all happening - up close and personal! #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction
Homosexuality: Deconstructing & Reconstructing Our Theology
Episode 125
Homosexuality: Deconstructing & Reconstructing Our Theology
Paul and Ashley discuss how opening one?s mind to learn other views of the evangelical theology on queerness can not only be freeing for the person, but life-saving to those around them. Paul is in Houston on the 1946 the Movie Road Tour sharing about the dangers of Christian Nationalism, its roots in weaponized abortion theology and the mistranslation of the ?gay clobber passages? in the Bible. This podcast was recorded on Aug. 7, 2024. #1946roadtrip ?? Evangelicalish.com ?? Pastor-paul.com
Laughing Through Deconstruction: Evangelicalish Convo with the Libtarts
Episode 126
Laughing Through Deconstruction: Evangelicalish Convo with the Libtarts
Four talented women, out of boredom, perhaps, started sharing their feelings on a changing world through their gifts for comedy, music and theater. Hear their story as the Libtarts share their world with Paul and Ashley and why sometimes humor is the very best way to share truth and love. Watch some of their videos here: Illegal In Texas - https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP81NSPP5/ Alabama Moms - https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP81NYucK/ If Abortion Laws Applied to Men - https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP81NADXp/
Reclaiming Traumatic Spaces
Episode 127
Reclaiming Traumatic Spaces
trauma can resurface due to familiar places, relationships and even references to faith in our past. As Paul?s 1946 the Movie Road Tour takes him across the country, he stopped in the town of Springfield, MO, which holds many painful memories and he and Ashley discuss dealing with trauma and the work to reclaim lost spaces
Who Hears from Holy Spirit? A Special Unconventional Conversation w Pastor Paul
Episode 128
Who Hears from Holy Spirit? A Special Unconventional Conversation w Pastor Paul
Who Hears from Holy Spirit is a special edition of Unconventional Conversations with Pastor Paul. On this episode Pastor Paul discusses Prophetic Words and who really "hears from heaven." The answer may not be as simple as some think it is. To hear more from Pastor Paul, check out their YouTube Channel @UnconventionalPastorPaul or their website Pastor-Paul.com
Things We Believed That Are Hard to Shake: Paul and Ashley
Episode 129
Things We Believed That Are Hard to Shake: Paul and Ashley
Things We Believed That Are Hard to Shake: Paul and Ashley Even in the midst of or after deconstruction of our beliefs, there are some things that are difficult to get out of our minds and emotional systems. What are some old Christian beliefs that still haunt you? Listen in as Paul and Ashley share some of the most difficult beliefs for them to shake!
Expelled for Affirming Love; But Not Guiilty: Thomas Jay Oord
Episode 130
Expelled for Affirming Love; But Not Guiilty: Thomas Jay Oord
Expelled for Affirming Love; But Not Guiilty: Thomas Jay Oord Join Paul and Ashley as they find out why Pastor, theologian and author Thomas J. Oord was will to withstand an official heresy trial by the Church of the Nazarene. The charge: teaching against church doctrine and misconduct for calling the church to become LGBTQ+ inclusive. And why the guilty verdict that accused Oord of leading serious offenses of which the denomination said "...Only eternity will show how many souls have been led astray through his false teaching" shook his life, took his ordination, but didn't change his mind. Find Dr Oord here: Website: https://thomasjayoord.com/ Center for Open and Relational Theology: https://c4ort.com/ Dr. Oord's books on Amazon, Including "God After Deconstruction:" https://www.amazon.com/stores/Thomas-Jay-Oord/author/B001H6OGWE?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2&qid=1726177418&sr=8-2&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
Jesus; Christian Nationalist? How Did We Get Here?
Episode 131
Jesus; Christian Nationalist? How Did We Get Here?
Christianity has not always been about politics and anti-abortion and anti-gay extremism. This was a long planned grooming of Christians to get to this point. Now here we are - what do we do about it? Join Paul and Ashley to discuss live how a political operative name Paul Weyrich has done more to shape American Christianity than any pastor ever dreamed. Sign up to potentially win a free copy of Pastor Paul's Novel and/or to be a Birthday Book Ambassador Sign up for the Evangelicalish Zoom Gathering on Christian Nationalism and receive you Zoom Link
Rightwingers Gone Wild: Lizard People & Racist Jokes
Episode 132
Rightwingers Gone Wild: Lizard People & Racist Jokes
What do Lizard People OverLords have to do with Tim Walz, VP Candidate? Well one rightwing preacher wants you to know, and Pastor Paul has the skinny in this special Evangelicalish offering of Pastor Paul's Rightwinger's Gone Wild - this week's look at those who no longer have eyes to see and ears to hear
Patriotism is NOT a godly duty, but is it one of loving your neightbor?
Episode 133
Patriotism is NOT a godly duty, but is it one of loving your neightbor?
Join Paul and Ashley for this week?s discussion about the political swing in evangelicalism from politics as ?dirty and worldly? to today?s view of ?godly duty? from declarations of whom to vote for from the pulpit and singing patriotic songs in worship services. But can "Seek the welfare of your city" (Jeremiah 23:7) change our view of what it means for a Christian to be civically engaged? #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction
An OffRamp for RightWing Faith Voters: Doug Pagitt, Vote Common Good
Episode 134
An OffRamp for RightWing Faith Voters: Doug Pagitt, Vote Common Good
Doug Pagitt says it?s important to helping faith voters to detach from a republican voting identity if they wish to. Pagitt, a former Evangelical Pastor from the emergent church movement, feels his organization, Vote Common Good, was able to help shift 5 to 10 percent of Evangelicals away from Republicans. Can they do it again or more in 2024 from supporting a party that Doug says is about ?policies of division, racism, selfishness, cruelty, and exclusion?? Join the discussion on this week?s episode. #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction
Star Spangled Jesus: Leaving Christian Nationalism and Finding True Faith
Episode 135
Star Spangled Jesus: Leaving Christian Nationalism and Finding True Faith
April Ajoy wouldn?t have called herself a Christian Nationalist when she performed her original song ?America Say Jesus? on the Jim Bakker show, or when she participated in Jesus Marches across America, or when she posted cringe-worthy videos on YouTube to campaign for Mitt Romney. April just considered herself a good Christian: faithful, Republican, and determined to make America a Christian nation once again. But as her view of the world widened, Ajoy began to see cracks in her steadfast beliefs and recognized the ways her conservative politics and religion were intertwined in her mind. Join Paul and Ashley as they talk with April Ajoy, content creator and podcast host, exploring how aspects of evangelical culture such as product boycotts, Satanic panic, and end-times theology have all been exploited to advance the Christian Nationalist narrative. April's Book - Star Spangled Jesus Find Paul & Ashley and Evangelicalish
The Wisdom of Hobbits & Heretics: Matthew Distefano of Heretic Happy Hour
Episode 136
The Wisdom of Hobbits & Heretics: Matthew Distefano of Heretic Happy Hour
On this edition of Evangelicalish, Paul and Ashley talk about handling anxiety around the upcoming election and then pull a previously unaired interview with Matthew Distefano of the Holy Heretics Podcast on his second most recent book discussion how learning of the life of charming hobbits and their Shire-based lives - though not a religious society, the author argues that spiritual truths-love, kindness, generosity, hope, and compassion - can teach us a lot about humanity and how to live a joyful, heretical life. Come join Paul and Ashley for this episode. The Wisdom of Hobbits book Heresy After Hours Facebook Group
Rightwingers Gone Wild: What's Wrong w/Trump's Admiration of a "Hot" Female Artist & a Podcasters Admiration of Putin?
Episode 137
Rightwingers Gone Wild: What's Wrong w/Trump's Admiration of a "Hot" Female Artist & a Podcasters Admiration of Putin?
See why rightwingers have truly lost their way as we see people talk about their anger at being called racist, a woman's disappointment that Haitians have ruined her chance to be an angry cat lady and why a church music leader sees beings in heaven getting castrated! You can also watch on YouTube, Here
Election 2024: Keeping Our Heads as All Others Lose Theirs; Joaquin Alvarado
Episode 138
Election 2024: Keeping Our Heads as All Others Lose Theirs; Joaquin Alvarado
Election 2024: Keeping Our Heads as All Others Lose Theirs; Joaquin Alvarado Joaquin Alvarado has been at the forefront of the changing world journalism in the U.S. for more than two decades and has his finger on the pulse of the country as much as anyone. Where are we as we head into this election? Will we recover or are we forever changed. Join Paul and Ashley for this compelling discussion. #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction
Women's Values Represented in Places of Power? Election 2024 with Liz Erickson
Episode 139
Women's Values Represented in Places of Power? Election 2024 with Liz Erickson
Liz Erickson has been on the front lines for some time, working to ensure the rights and values of women have representation in all levels of government and societal power. As Senior Director of Strategic Programs at Supermajority, how does she feel as, at times, it seems we are sliding back to Make America Male Dominated Again? Join Ashley and Paul for this important and fascinating discussion. #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction
Post Election Day: What Do We Do Now? James Fallows, Writer & Political Expert
Episode 140
Post Election Day: What Do We Do Now? James Fallows, Writer & Political Expert
James Fallows once served as chief White House speechwriter for Jimmy Carter and now writes 'Breaking the News' on Substack and has a new article about California's promising future in WIRED magazine. Fallows is a longtime book and magazine writer, whose most recent of 12 books, "Our Towns," co-authored with his wife Deborah Fallows, was a national best-seller and the basis of a 2021 HBO documentary. His perspective, the day after the 2024 election will be riveting conversation with Ashley and Paul and will be cathartic for us all!? Nonpaywalled version of Jim's Wired piece:? https://www.wired.com/story/californi... ? Today's Substack (non paywalled)? https://fallows.substack.com/p/electi... ? Nick Lemann in the New Yorker? https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20... ? #Evangelicalish ? #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong ? #postevangelical ? #UnconventionalPastor ? #GodIsNOTmadAtYou ? #MindRenewal ? #Rethink ?@UnconventionalPastorPaul? #WellBeing ? #Deconstruction ? #reconstruction
Reviving the Global Heart, After a Heartbreaking Election: With Joe Weston
Episode 141
Reviving the Global Heart, After a Heartbreaking Election: With Joe Weston
Joe Weston is an international facilitator, author, lecturer, consultant, coach, professor, and-above all else-an advocate for lasting peace. He speaks to a revival of the "global heart." How do we revive the global heart when so many are broken hearted after America's election day this past week. Paul and Ashley discuss this with Weston who has a career spanning 30+ years in the fields of conflict prevention, leadership, stress management, and communication. He is a highly sought-after thought leader and trainer for individuals, as well as corporations, government agencies and nonprofits around the world. The Weston Network: https://joeweston.com/weston-network/ Respectful Confrontation: https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Resp... Fierce Civility Project: https://fiercecivility.org/ #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction ?
UGH! Home for Christmas? Reclaiming the Holidays in a Divided World; w/ Therapist Naomi Wiens
Episode 142
UGH! Home for Christmas? Reclaiming the Holidays in a Divided World; w/ Therapist Naomi Wiens
The holidays have always been difficult for many. Are they even more difficult in this post-COVID, crazy political world? Naomi Wiens is an LMFT who works with adolescents, adults, and couples with a relational and dynamic approach. As a professional working with religious trauma and spiritual reclamation, embodiment, identity formation, dream & shadow work, grief/loss, cultural and generational trauma, and working with artists and creativity, can she help us conquer the holiday blues? Join Paul and Ashley for this fascinating and important discussion. #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction
You Lied to Me About God! Dr. Jamie Marich on Spiritual Pilgrimage
Episode 143
You Lied to Me About God! Dr. Jamie Marich on Spiritual Pilgrimage
Jamie+ Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, REAT, RYT-500 (she/they) Founder and CEO, The Institute for Creative Mindfulness Approved Trainer and Consultant in EMDR Therapy www.redefinetherapy.com www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com www.jamiemarich.com Now available for pre-order- The Dissociation Made Simple Flipchart (June 2024) and You Lied to Me About God: A Memoir (October 2024) ? Virtual book tours: www.redefinetherapy.com
Regrets? We've Had a Few. Q&A with P&A
Episode 144
Regrets? We've Had a Few. Q&A with P&A
What does Paul regret most in his ten years as a Sr Pastor in an evangelical Church? What would Ashley tell her 21 year old self, getting ready to be married? Paul and Ashley dig into their past and learn about their present spirituality through difficult questions about the evangelical life they've known throughout their existence. Come on a memory lane trip that's insightful into this world of the evangelical... ISH. And what it's like to be freed of the shackles of the world inside a church building! #evangelicalish #religiousrightreligiouslywrong #unconventionalpastorpaul
Manipulated by the Trans in Sports Issue: An Unconventional Conversation w/ Pastor Paul
Episode 145
Manipulated by the Trans in Sports Issue: An Unconventional Conversation w/ Pastor Paul
Why are dozens of states banning trans athletes when there are at most 10 trans women participation in college athletics out of some 510,000 athletes? Because, as so many times in history, political and religious leaders want the demonization of a people group the gather to themselves political power. Pastor Paul shares why the issue of trans women in sports is NOT an issue at all, but rather is simply a manipulation tool of the extreme right, generating hatred amongst people and deep fear in the trans community. We can do better. Listen in and be ready to think, to be introspective and to grow. #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction
Good Year or Good Riddance? Let's Review (or Curse) 2024 w/ Paul and Ashley
Episode 146
Good Year or Good Riddance? Let's Review (or Curse) 2024 w/ Paul and Ashley
It was a year that put Trump back on the cover of Time Magazine and headed back to the White House, but a lot of other things happened, as well. Was it a good year? Or a tragic one? And can the Bible or history tell us what the answer may be? Let's discuss in this episode of the Evangelicalish Podcast with Paul and Ashley Swearengin
LA Wildfire Facts over Fox News: Fire Chief Kerri Donis
Episode 147
LA Wildfire Facts over Fox News: Fire Chief Kerri Donis
Kerri Donnis served as the fire chief of the City of Fresno (CA) fire department for over nine years, the first bio female to serve in the position, and worked in the fire service for almost three decades. She will share her perspective on the horrifying tragedy in LA and help us cut through the political fiction that is truly endangering the lives of people and is creating a division in a time when our country's leadership ought to be bringing us together. Let's get some facts, not more Fox News on the subject as Retired Chief Donnis joins Paul and Ashley on Evangelicalish.
Deadly Faith: When Horror and Religion Collide; Laci and Lori of the Deadly Faith Podcast
Episode 148
Deadly Faith: When Horror and Religion Collide; Laci and Lori of the Deadly Faith Podcast
https://deadly-faith.simplecast.com/ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhMS1GGKTssMhDEWeA4ZlFnh7cMmLINIh https://www.instagram.com/deadlyfaithpodcast/
Jesus Didn't Speak English? Learning from the Aramaic Jesus
Episode 149
Jesus Didn't Speak English? Learning from the Aramaic Jesus
It shocks western Christians sometimes to realize Jesus isn't American and didn't speak English. Neil Douglas-Klotz, PHD has written about Jesus through the language or Aramaic, which was Jesus' actual native tongue. The book is an approach to Jesus?s recorded words and teachings to answer many questions clearly and consistently, even if unexpectedly, no matter which Gospel one has in their hands. Paul and Ashley discuss with Dr. Klotz why Aramaic?s multiple meanings can provide revelation and even transformation through the way of the prophet of Nazareth. It shows how Jesus?s deepest teachings address contemporary challenges, such as our relationships with nature and each other, as well as the purpose of life itself.
Jesus Did NOT Call the Woman at the Well a "Sinner": Snarky Bible Stories
Episode 150
Jesus Did NOT Call the Woman at the Well a "Sinner": Snarky Bible Stories
@evangelicalish on YouTube ?https://youtu.be/MzRV88hdc5U
The Comfort of the Mob or Courage of a Spirit of Christ
Episode 151
The Comfort of the Mob or Courage of a Spirit of Christ
Why do people join a sectarian church community? Or MAGA? Or a mindset group like conspiracy theory followers? It's to gain identity from inclusion in that group. Too often, that group turns inward to become an "us" and soon starts looking to demonize "them" - those who are not us. And once demonization and dehumanization starts of "them," out come the torches and pitchforks and everyone better LOOK OUT! Getting out of the mob is messy and scary and, according to Pastor Paul... totally worth it. Come listen to the Unconventional Conversation.
Can Paul Survive MAGA? Ashley Breaks Down Paul's Guest Spot on Rightwing Radio
Episode 152
Can Paul Survive MAGA? Ashley Breaks Down Paul's Guest Spot on Rightwing Radio
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Can Paul Survive MAGA? Part 2 - Ashley Breaks Down Paul's Guest Spot on Rightwing Radio
Episode 153
Can Paul Survive MAGA? Part 2 - Ashley Breaks Down Paul's Guest Spot on Rightwing Radio
Listen to Paul on the Marc Kapetan Podcast Buy Paul's Book: Religious Right Religiously Wrong Buy Evangelicalish SWEET SWAG : Clothes, Candles, Water Bottles, Coffee Cups ISH Socials: TikTok YouTube InstaGram Facebook Private Facebook Group (Must request entry)
Ethics: The story of Jonah, Religious Nationalism, Deportations and MAGA Christians
Episode 154
Ethics: The story of Jonah, Religious Nationalism, Deportations and MAGA Christians
@UnconventionalPastorPaul talks of how ethical decisions must be made ahead of difficult situations that require a higher level of morality. The lack of such ethical foundations, Pastor Paul argues, are why the Republican Christian view of Immigrants, today, parallels the view of Jonah and people not of his race and religion; and why the god of Jonah's story asked him "How's that feeling of disdain for others working out for ya?"
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