On episode #679 Preston has a conversation with Brian Zahnd. Brian is the founder and lead pastor of Word of Life Church , a non-denominational Christian congregation in Saint Joseph, Missouri. Brian and his wife, Peri, founded the church in 1981. Brian is also the author of several books, including, Sinners in the Hands of a Loving God, Water to Wine, A Farewell To Mars, Beauty Will Save the World, and Unconditional?: The Call of Jesus to Radical Forgiveness. You can follow Brian on Twitter: @BrianZahnd Keep up to date with Brian on his website: https://brianzahnd.com/