In this episode we talk with Wayne Jacobsen Wayne served as a pastor for twenty years and was also a contributing editor to Leadership Journal. As the director of Lifestream Ministries, he now travels the world helping people learn to live deeply in the life of Jesus and share it freely with others. He has written and worked with others on many books about spiritual intimacy and relational community, including He Loves Me, So You Don't Want to Go to Church Anymore, A Man Like No Other, and The Shack. You can find his writings at Lifestream.org and hear his podcast at TheGodJourney.com. He lives in Newbury Park, California with his wife of forty years and enjoys his children and grandchildren. You can follow Wayne on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out the Lifestream webpage. You can find quite a few good resources including Waynes Blog. Waynes book can be purchased on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!