In this episode we talk to Mark Karris. Mark Gregory Karris is a licensed marriage and family therapist, theologian, adjunct professor, ordained pastor, husband, writer, recording artist, and worship leader. He's a voracious reader, researcher and all around biophilic. He has received a master's degree in counseling through the Alliance Graduate School of Counseling in Nyack, N.Y., a master of divinity from Drew Theological School in N.J., and is currently working through his PsyD from Alliant International University in San Diego. You can connect with Mark on: Facebook ? ? ? Twitter Check out his website His books can be purchased on Amazon.com You can connect with us on? ? Facebook ? ? ? Instagram? ? ? ? Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon ?where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our? website ?for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The?Podcast?Doctor ?Eric Howell. If you?re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger