In this episode we chat with Ben DeLong. Here is his bio in his own words: I was born in Iowa, grew up as a pastor’s kid, and eventually became a pastor myself. What I later learned was that becoming a pastor was my way of coping with wounds and trauma that had built up within me since childhood. I have since given up being a pastor and turned my focus to becoming an author. My lovely wife has been a steady presence in my life. We were married in 2005 and adopted our son in 2019. They have been the greatest teachers in my life as I’ve journeyed toward a greater sense of wholeness. I love writing, and I love exploring the inner journey. I combine these two passions in my books to help give people hope to make the next step in their own story. I invite you to explore my work and see what you are inspired to move toward in life. You can follow Ben on: Facebook Twitter Instagram You can find things all Ben DeLong related at his website You can purchase Ben's book at Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!