Really, Michael Voris?

OMG. Simcha had this on her facebook feed this morning and I watched it out of curiosity, having never paid much attention to the whole Voris phenomenon except idly chuckling at that inane “Lenten cruise” thing. But this.

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This is so embarrassing. No wonder people call us wing-nuts. Um, hey, Michael? Guess what America wasn’t founded on? Catholic principles. Actually, the people who founded America were pretty much running from exactly the kind of “benevolent dictatorship” you’re talking about here so…just no.

You wanna know what really gets me about this whole thing, though? The assumption that only a “faithful” Catholic, whatever that means, can be unselfish. That everyone else in the world is utterly self-absorbed. “Looking in a mirror,” Voris calls it.

Well that’s just a steaming crock of shit. Don’t excuse my French, because I totally mean that word and no other word will do it justice. Two of the most unselfish people I know happened to raise me and they’re not Catholic. But my parents believe in Christ, raised me with an objective sense of right and wrong, loved me enough to let me suffer the consequences of sin, and loved me enough to forgive me. They love me enough to handle the pain of my conversion to a different religion and the rift that is between us now with grace, love, and a true desire to understand. They are truly good people, who are deeply concerned about the common good of our country and absolutely do not vote based on what they can “get out of it”.

Some of the most wonderful, least selfish people I’ve met are professors at UD. They’re not Catholic. One’s a Buddhist. Another’s a mish-mash of Eastern Orthodoxy. And by God, these people are beautiful souls. Brilliant beyond belief, and getting paid pennies because they want to teach, to shape minds and souls, and the students at UD want to be shaped. They could be teaching at Cambridge or Oxford, but they chose UD because they wanted to impart knowledge, not accumulate glory and wealth. That’s pretty damn unselfish. And they shouldn’t vote, because they’re not “faithful Catholics?”

Don’t even get me started on the whole “faithful Catholics (emphasis on the faithful)” thing. I guess in Voris’ imaginary Stepford Monarchy, us women would have to submit to blood tests to prove we’re not on artificial birth control before voting. Or perhaps our bedroom activity should be recorded, to make sure no one slips a condom in there? He’d definitely have to invest in lie-detector tests, just to make sure no one votes and has those nasty “homosexual inclinations” at the same time. And I guess I’m out, since I love the Novus Ordo, wouldn’t know which side of a mantilla faces up, know how to do a wicked keg stand, and am a convert. I’m given to understand that us converts “don’t really count” as faithful Catholics. That we’re muddying up the waters with our Muggle bloodlines. Especially Mark Shea, since he’s a convert and a scummy Commie Lib.

This kind of crap gets my blood boiling. I love Catholicism, but I definitely love it in spite of self-proclaimed “faithful Catholics” like this guy, not because of them. Thanks a lot, Michael Voris. The rest of us are now going to have to spend valuable time apologizing for your holier-than-thou bigotry and trying to convince people that this actually isn’t what Catholics should believe.

Dear people of the internet: this isn’t what Catholics should believe. Now you’ll have to excuse me, because I have to


*I eventually posted an apology for this unseemly post, which you may find here. I am leaving the post up because it’s good for me to have a public reminder that I can be a real jerk.

  • GenXCatholic

    Wow, you youngsters sure can be ugly. Michael Voris sincerely believes what he speaks of and has created a platform to profess it, just like you have your set of beliefs that you put on your blog, just like writers at the National Catholic Reporter do, just like pro-choice Catholics do, just like the Fisheaters do, etc. It has become a fun game to cut down Michael Voris in the nastiest of ways, including mocking his looks. How juvenile. Don’t watch his videos if you don’t want your sensibilities offended. I don’t agree with 100% of what is on his videos, but you know, there are good solid reasons to receive on the tongue, for male-only altar servers, and for wearing mantillas (humility for one, ahem) maybe you could come up with some if you weren’t spending your time hating on a fellow Catholic.

    • calahalexander

      I’m not sure what a Fisheater is. And the way I see it, this is not me “hating” on him, but responding to a profoundly disturbing claim. Granted, it’s an emotional and not particularly level-headed response, but I don’t spend my days nefariously plotting how to destroy Michael Voris. This is the first time I’ve ever seen any of his videos. Like most bloggers do, when something upsets me I blog about it.

      • Andrew

        “…..but I don’t spend my days nefariously plotting how to destroy Michael Voris.”

        Mark Shea has that covered for you.

        • Mark Shea

          Right. A combox gripe is plot to destroy Voris. No butthurt pansy cult members here.

    • Grok

      I also noticed the overflowing amount of love, understanding and openness to others opinions in this blog. The Pope also only allows male only servers and only gives communion on the tongue while kneeling. Obviously, he too must be just another right wing nut, right. I’ve heard that the Pope doesn’t even believe in same sex marriage, divorce, or contraception. I personally don’t agree with a lot of what Michael Voris has to say, but his thoughts on Traditional Catholicism seem pretty well right on. The more the Church has tried to keep up with the times, the more Catholics seem to leave. (The second largest religious group in the US are ex-Catholics.) If it had stuck to its guns back in the 60s and stopped many of the liturgical and teaching abuses that we have seen over the last 50 years, my siblings and I may not have wandered off like so many others. As we find our way back, we seem to be drawn to the almost 2000 year old traditions of the church rather than this modernist garbage that is eating away at the Church. I always find it funny how these left wing Catholics want what the Episcopal Church already has. Why don’t they just go there? They want to make the Catholic Church into their own image instead of Gods.

      • GenXCatholic

        Great comment.

      • calahalexander

        My blog post said nothing about male altar servers or how to receive communion. Perhaps you were reading a different post? Also, I follow the teachings of the Magisterium and have no desire to remake the Church. I love the Church. That’s why I converted. I’m not sure at all what you’re responding to, actually.

        • Rebecca @ Shoved to Them

          They were responding to your other commenters, not to you.

          I don’t really know what it is about Mr Voris that stirs up so much emotion in the comment boxes. (Not the blog post about the video, I am so very happy that he clarified his POV in a later one.) He seems like a guy who sincerely believes what he says. He’s not so different from those of us who blog our opinions except he has a snazzy production operation that I can only dream of being able to use. I just find the com box reactions to him to be odd. That’s all.

        • Grok

          I used a bit of a shotgun approach on my reply, hitting your blog as well as the commends of some others. Your comments did seem to stir up a lot of the modernist Catholic crowd here though and it did have a very harsh tone to it. He is a fellow faithful Catholic, no matter what his current or past views. Hopefully we can learn from those who we both agree with and disagree with but always staying faithful to the Magisterium while showing Charity for our fellow Catholics.

      • Mark Shea

        Criticism of Voris idiotic remarks = “left wing Catholic who wants to turn the Church into the Episcopalian church”. Golly, why would anybody think that Vorisees are arrogant and ignorant members of a cult of personality founded by a demagogue?

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        • Cordelia

          Yup, yup! Thanks, Mark! (And, responding to an earlier comment, personally I’m just so inspired by people who point their long trembly finger at me and shout, “YOU, young woman, need to learn some HUMILITY!” I’m sure Calah is, too…)

          • Mark Shea

            Get under that mantilla, wench. And put on a jumper! Do you think the Blessed Virgin would wear pants, you tramp?

      • Jane Hartman

        So right you are.

    • Mark Shea

      Vorisees demanding humility. Good one.

      • Andrew

        So says the master of hypocrisy and half-truths.

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  • Mary

    “it’s an emotional and not particularly level-headed response…..”

    At least we agree on that ;)

    • calahalexander

      Hey, I can call a spade a spade with the best of them.

      • Cordelia

        And your bestly spade-calling is why we love your blog!

  • Carter

    “And I guess I’m out, since I love the Novus Ordo, wouldn’t know which side of a mantilla faces up, know how to do a wicked keg stand, and am a convert.” -A Catholic.

    Calah, your honesty and frankness just might save the world one day.

  • Theresa

    You make me smile! Make sure you take some Tylenol after you use your stress reduction kit! LOL Michael Voris is nuts. I’ve never been able to watch a single video of his stem to stern. He makes me too angry and I’d rather not give that wacko one ounce of power in my life!

    • Josh

      Voris has a video of his stem to stern? Link please.

      • Theresa

        Haha! Darn it! I hate it when I’m guilty of a dangling modifier! :) I haven’t been able to watch more than a few seconds of any of his videos.

  • Matthew

    Never mind Voris. I just come here to watch Mark Shea write hysterical over-the-top personal attacks on all those folks who write hysterical over-the-top personal attacks.

  • jen

    Thank you for this. I needed to see this today.

  • Loud

    il comment on this in a minute, right now i have to pause the video before i explode….

  • Loud

    Nevermind, i have nothing good to say.

  • frenchcookingmama

    He forgot one very important thing in this whole mess: Humans are fallen. Human agendas, even those of faithful Catholics, aren’t pure and can easily be corrupted.

    Sorry, Michael, guess that quashes your dream of the vote being restricted to people like you and this Catholic Monarch.

    • frenchcookingmama

      He did mention our fallen nature. But who’s virtuous? Who’s a “parasite”? Who’s supposed to decide this? Voris and people like him?

      In other words…Voris’ ilk who pollute these comboxes? The same ones who called for Simcha Fisher to be fired from the National Catholic Register a few weeks ago?

      No. Thank. You.