It’s Not Just in Big Cities

Sometimes you think “political correctness” happens only in certain areas of the country  — on the east and west coasts…  in cities…

But this story from Georgia proves that we really need to be on our guard against it, no matter where we live.

Darryl Woods is a parent of a child who attends a charter school.  He was reading a note from school about their upcoming “holiday program.”  It read:

“We will begin rehearsing popular American holiday music (such as Jingle Bells, Feliz Navidad and Santa Claus is Coming to Town) during music class.  Religious songs will not be included.”

Todd Starnes, a writer at FoxNews, tried to call the principal to figure out the policy.  He didn’t answer.

Mr. Woods commented that “when it comes to holidays, there appears to be a double standard at the charter school. A few weeks ago the school celebrated Halloween with ghosts, demons and goblins roaming the hallway.

“It’s okay to celebrate demons but you can’t celebrate Jesus.”

Thanks to Mr. Woods, Todd, and — of course — my mom for shining a light of these things that happen…  sadly….  all over America.

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  • Itarion

    Quick question: How much non-Christian religious music gets played, and how much do you want played?

    • AshleyAshley

      Perhaps addressing what holidays are being celebrated and singing songs which are traditionally sung for them would be appropriate. Not just labeling everything ‘holiday’ and ignoring their Jeudeo Christian backgrounds or other pertinent backgrounds.

      • Itarion

        That works. The selection the school in question had, the “politically correct” one, had a Christmas tune in it. “Feliz Navidad,” lit. “Happy Christmas.” Personally, I’m not anti-Christmas-songs, I’m pro-lots-of-different-songs.

        • AshleyAshley

          I think pro-what applies works. Otherwise you’re watering down meaningful things in general, not just religious holidays.

          And yes, those songs are Christmas related which makes the non religious part of the message from the school all the more maddening.

          • Itarion

            You mean, “Religious songs will not be included”? Yeah, I chuckled a little at that spot, in the “you idiot” sort of way. Again, you get this, but not everyone does: it’s about balance. I’m just as much against banning/not using Christmas and, more generally, Christian music as I am against banning heavy metal and provocative books. Hell, there’s some Christian music that I even like.

  • Hilary Booth

    I am proud to say that I work for a preschool/after school club in Georgia and our “holiday” program will include “Oh Holy Night” and “Silent Night” and my group another year my group did “Mary Did You Know”
    I am scared that this is now becoming a trend in even rural Georgia cities though…

  • Nog

    Well Christmas and Halloween are both Pagen holidays and many churches will have those good old religion songs sung for the month so I fail to see the issue here. You need silent night, go to church.

    • JohnL1313

      Christ-mas isn’t pagan. Celebrating it as our culture does – idolatry of “things”, greed, gluttony, etc., is pagan as it completely ignores the core reason we are celebrating which is the birth of Christ.

    • rickg62

      Nice try but you’re just repeating what you read someplace. Yes, the date for Christmas was co-opted from a Roman pagan holiday in order for the early Christians to convert the Romans to Christianity. As with most people like you, you purposely confuse the date with the celebration. We are not celebrating the old pagan holiday, we are celebrating Christmas.

      • John Rolls

        If you are so negative about Christmas just don’t celebrate it. No problem . I will celebrate it.

        • rickg62

          What in the world are you reading and who are you commenting to? Where am I negative about Christmas? That would be Nog, not me. I was just correcting his historical interpretation. Try some reading comprehension courses.

          • John Rolls

            Try not being such an arrogant ass!rickg62

          • rickg62

            try not to be an ignorant fool. You obviously have zero comprehension of what I wrote.

      • Itarion

        Top three parts of traditional Christmas: what are they for you?

        • rickg62

          Let’s see, I’d say Midnight Mass, traditional Christmas carols (favorite is O Holy Night), and dinner with family and/or friends.

          • Itarion

            Well… Yep, those don’t have much basis in pagan tradition. Except for dinner, but everyone’s gotta eat, so I won’t count that.

          • rickg62

            What are you talking about? There is no pagan tradition celebrated in Christmas beyond using the date. I could give a rat’s ass what you count and don’t count. I’m Catholic and thus celebrate a Christian Christmas. Don’t know what you celebrate.

    • Nog

      We celebrate the birth of Christ not by reflecting on this who have less, who need help, who need a hand or a shoulder. Instead we worry about are so called rights. Christmas it self is not biblical, is not relavant to the church and follows no example from Christ. We celebrate the sacrifice of Christ by are selves being the sacrifice and being the example of the Christ in are lives. Christmas has nuthing to with God or Jesus for that matter, it’s a man made Holliday from Pagen times. Remember what happened when Jesus was born, no room at the inn, they were poor, today that would have been on food stamps but sorry that program was cut, Jesus would have had no health care as that program is being blocked. His parents would have no hope as they would have been labelled as dead beats or even terrorists based on there culture of birth. Sadly this is how we celebrate the Bith of Christ, silly culture wars that meen nuthing and a belief that we are to tell people now to live and worship and believe regardless of the law, the country and the constitution.

  • Scott Garland

    home school.

  • JohnL1313

    It’s not the “holidays”, it’s Christmas. Secularists have morphed the Christmas season into “the holiday” season. Without Christmas there would be no holiday season.

    Home education is the best option.

    • Leah

      Sure there would be. Jesus/Yeshua celebrated Hanukkah!

    • Molly Effin English

      Without paganism, there would be no Christmas on Dec 25th!

    • Rich

      Advent is the season until the end of December 24th, then the Christmas season starts, and the “Twelve Days of Christmas” begin on December 26th. You might want to remember that when you start homeschooling – you would not want to be misinforming your children about what Christmas is

      • JohnL1313

        I’m well aware of that Rich, thank you. No sarcasm intended. I was addressing the season as a whole and the supposition that Christmas is a secular or pagan concoction.

  • Barb

    Feliz Navidad translates as “merry christmas”, just say’in

    • CEvonK

      How funny — people too linguistically and culturally ignorant to even understand what they are singing. ‘Murika!

      • $70129662

        Not so fast. Feliz Navidad is not a religious song. Bristol’s point was about religious songs being banned.

  • FreedomFighter

    Santa Claus=Saint Nick. Saint Nicholas of Myra was a 4th-century Greek Christian bishop of Myra

  • Exodus2011

    Good Job Bristol —-> ^5!

    **__**

    • Exodus2011

      no

      why do you ask?

  • $3838536

    Georgia is becoming the Massachusetts of the South. Common Core infects the schools.

    • Nog

      Heaven forbid are kids learn science and math, learn that the universe is a wonderful yet not truly mysterious place. Some people rather there kids be ignorant so as not be free thinkers, I weep for those kids.

      • otlset

        It is truly a mysterious ‘place’, as more and more is discovered, it seems there is more and more we really don’t know. ‘Current’ understanding of the universe is incomplete at best, as paradigm after paradigm of understanding is overturned and new ‘current’ paradigms of understanding take their place through time. I don’t think (in man’s hubris) there will ever be a complete and final understanding of the universe — from mere man’s perspective anyway.

  • Akamaigeek

    We don’t celebrate ghosts, demons and goblins on Halloween. What we celebrate is facing our unfounded fears.

    • otlset

      I just used to celebrate how much candy I could get.

  • allyn211

    I’m not sure if you’re aware, but College Park, GA, is not exactly a “small town”. It is more of a suburb of Atlanta, GA. So I am not surprised that it is reflecting the “values” of a large city.

  • Randy DuBose

    The PROBLEM with our society; keeping God out of schools. PERIOD.

    • BlackJack Charles

      “God” doesn’t fucking belong in schools. PERIOD.

      • otlset

        Too bad, His presence is everywhere whether you like it or not. Even in your head, which is probably too thick to realize it.

  • Michelle Erb

    Since you want religion in the public schools, I guess you are also fine with your children being taught about Mohammed as well as Wiccan beliefs? Or maybe you should consider that you have plenty of opportunity to teach your children your own beliefs and sing about Jesus at home, in Church, and in the shopping malls of America.

    Is your faith really so weak that your children will become non-believers if they don’t hear the word Jesus every waking second. If so exercise your right to send them to religious schools or home school them, and stop trying to force Jewish children to sing about Jesus.

  • VL

    Your faith can’t be very strong if not singing silent night in a public school makes you angry. But….without these anecdotal stories Sarah Palin wouldn’t be hawking a book. Cha ching! Making weak Christians feel persecuted is a HUGE paycheck for Sarah. Sarah is no different than the televangelist sitting in his ivory tower, asking the gullible to send him money because God wants them too. As Sarah said in a recent interview. “I love the commercialization of Christmas.” She sure does.

    • otlset

      Christmas is a significant stimulus to our economy, and Sarah well knows this. The side benefit of Christmas giving is a boost to the economy, making all involved happier and wealthier for the season’s giving and receiving. The rest of your rant is BS.

      • TrueBlue

        Oh, my goodness. You can’t really believe that economic growth is “the reason for the season.” You can’t… But let’s say that Sarah’s case is that, yes, since Christians are the main reason for the economic boost during the holiday season, for that reason they deserve to be wished a merry Christmas by everyone, no matter anyone else’s faith, then that’s still one of the most blasphemous arguments I have ever heard. Not to mention, the Bible counsels us to give even in times when there is no abundance. If the generosity of the Christian spirit is determined by a happier, wealthier giver, well then, that’s not Christian. Read the Book of Job for the Word about that.

        • otlset

          In a post further down I explained that apart form the spiritual import of the season, it is also one of the most important economic times for our economy, what with people practicing the underlying feature of the season (giving). So you twist again — it’s not the only reason for the season, Sarah knows this as well as business owners, that a humming economy brought on by buying gifts benefits almost everyone.

  • nickbrizzi

    Thanks for posting this Bristol. We need to keep fighting for our Christian beliefs no matter what the government does. I swore to do so in June of 1960 when I joined the military and I took it seriously to the point I was and still am willing to die for this Country. Not many politicians can say the same.

  • Jason Toney

    Regarding “political correctness” in general, I live in a town of a little over 7000 people. Our high school mascot used to be the Redskins, but because of a couple of people having a fit in more recent years, we had to change it, and the students chose “Redhawks.” No one really thought about the COST of doing this – they had to go through the whole school system and change the logo and everything, including taking up the gym floor and replacing it. Ridiculousness.

    • VL

      Really? So if it’s o.k to offend native Americans, who else would it be o.k to offend? How about call the mascot/team “White Boys,” Any African Americans on the team? You could call them the N#####. Any Italians? Call it/them the Wops. Any Mexicans? Spics, Germans? Krauts. I suspect your town is in the south and mostly white. I suggest the Mascot/team be named Whiteskins.

      • Lindsay

        Seriously. if I every visited Jason’s hometown would I watch the local football team take on the Pollacks, Wetbacks, Negros, or Jews???

      • otlset

        Hmmm, I wonder if blacks are offended to be part of the “Fighting Irish” teams of Notre Dame. Or even Irish who object to the ‘fighting’ stereotype.

        People have such thin skins these days, so easily “offended” at very minor things really.

        • VL

          Since when is “Irish” offensive? You know darn well that redskins is offensive. And this is 2013 not 1954. Time to grow up.

          • otlset

            I don’t think it’s offensive at all. Time to grow up yourself and shed that whiny politically correct thin skin.

    • BlackJack Charles

      Oh, blow it out your ass!

      • otlset

        Another gutter post, showing off the usual perceptive intelligence of the typical liberal gutter-brain. It’s disrespectful people like you who keep making this country worse.

        • VL

          And your reply says what about conservatives?

          • otlset

            Fighting back against your gutter-brained ilk, that’s what.

    • Nog

      Redskin is racist, the Indians suffered at the hand of the white man for years. Now it’s time we step up and see that such things can hurt. This country is becoming the mix are for fathers hoped it would be one day and the white population is becoming less dominant every day.

  • David

    If you do not like ‘something’ … then do not participate in it,
    but you do not have the right to keep other people from participating in it.
    The ‘Control Freaks’ are the ones who need to be ‘Controlled’.

    • VL

      What don’t you understand about the word public? Strong Christians don’t need to feel persecuted. Strong Christians don’t need to be control freaks.

      • TrueBlue

        Thank you! All this brouhaha is what weak Christianity looks like. “Truly, I tell you, if you have faith as small as this mustard seed, you can tell this mountain, ‘Move from here to there…'” The “War on Christmas” is a political effort in which hypocrites co-opt His name.

  • Jeff

    Hilarious that Bristols “fight back” link is to amazon for her mother’s book. Shameless.

    • Nog

      Fun to read all that crazy negative reviews though.

      • $70129662

        You mean fun to see all the demented liberals hating on a woman for writing a book about Christmas – if only these liberals could get this worked up about a president that left 4 Americans behind in Benghazi and went to campaign in Las Vegas a few hours after the attack.

        • Itarion

          And you hate him because…? Did he shoot your children or something?

          • $70129662

            I don’t hate him. I strongly disagree with his policies and his unethical ways and I have the facts on my side, unlike the foaming at the mouth liberals with their irrational hate for everything Palin. I don’t camp out at his website or pro-Obama websites to harass him, his family and his supporters – that is the kind of sick thing liberals do with the Palins.

          • Itarion

            I have the facts on my side,

            I don’t find that the facts take sides.

            foaming at the mouth liberals with their irrational hate for everything Palin.

            I do not, nor have I ever, had rabies. And I wouldn’t say it’s hate, either. I don’t hate, it’s a waste of effort. It’s disdain, if anything. I would rather not have Sarah Palin in office, because from what I can tell, she’s not cut out for high office. That’s my opinion, and you’re welcome to disagree, but according to the 2008 election results, you’re in the minority on that. And I won’t hide that a lot of it has to do with her aggressive religiousity, first because that will harshly color her perspective on a lot of subtle and nuanced issues, and second because I am a member of her favorite abuse target.

            I don’t camp out at his website or pro-Obama websites to harass him, his family and his supporters – that is the kind of sick thing liberals do with the Palins.

            Actually, this liberal is just here for the comments section. Discussing over at Cross Examined is fine, but sometimes seems rather like an echo chamber to me.

          • Nog

            She’s just trolling, nothing more.

        • Nog

          I’m sure many are republicans who can’t stomach her politicks. Is there is so many liberals about then that must be the new normal.

          • otlset

            Incoherent post above — same old ‘normal’.

          • Nog

            Normal is the country moving forward to let gays marry, let the poor have health care, let kids get a good education etc. what is not normal anymore is white superiority, racism, homophobs etc

          • otlset

            “white superiority, racism, homophobs etc”

            Knock it off, nobody is for these obviously politically-incorrect descriptions.

        • Nog

          I’m sure many are republicans to, she does not represent anything really. And honestly being liberal is the new normal, were forced to deal with the things the republicans can’t like the job market, world peace, the Eco system, global warming etc.

          • $70129662

            You are not serious – the job market?

          • Nog

            Lets see, the republicans only care about a woman’s sex organs, and keeping the poor underfed and unhealthy.

          • $70129662

            Hilarious – who are you?! It is liberals who are obsessed with their sex organs – that is why every election Dem leaders tell them there is a war on contraceptives, etc. As if they know that is the only thing liberal women care about – what an insult,.

            This is how obsessed liberals are with their sex organs, what kind of mental illness causes you to make this kind of video: Code Pink dancing female sex organs, only in liberalville! Mind you, liberal women thought this was a brilliant idea!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRBTrlc77l0&feature=player_embedded

          • Nog

            Omg your a dude

          • $70129662

            Nope, I am a proud conservative woman. Listen to the words of that song, sang by proud liberal women, have you people no self-respect – who came up with such a stupid idea and are there no thinking liberals that could have advised these idiot women? No wonder the Dem leadership have no respect for liberal women, just look at their focus for even a presidential campaign….

          • Itarion

            Yes, the job market. The housing bubble popped at the end of the Bush II era because of his policies and lack of regulations concerning mortgages. That was the start of a chain that led to some seriously shitty economy.

          • $70129662

            Oh man, I get tired of educating you people. Goodness, gracious me! You are not to be taken seriously, we have labor force participation lowest since 1978, foodstamp usage at highest level ever, high unemployment, debt of 17 trillion dollars, etc. That is success, only in Obama’s America.

            Bush wanted regulations, Dems, protecting Barney Frank’s Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, opposed him, said he was racist, google New York times, early 2000s.

            Community Reinvestment Act Bill Clinton – read up on it for the origins of the housing bubble and financial crisis.

            Not forgetting how Pelosi and Reid were in front of the cameras everyday in 2008 whining because Republicans did not want to approve bailing out the banks and Detroit (TARP), as soon as GOP gave in, same Dems turned around and blame GOP for “bailing out the banks” (TARP)!

          • Itarion

            So you admit that the jobs crisis originated prior to Obama’s election to President, so he was not in a position to either cause or prevent it?

            The debt is, if you will look at historical increases, more on the shoulders of the Republican party, and a significant portion of the debt is a direct result of the Bush war against the Middle East/terror.

          • $70129662

            Nope. Obama is fully responsible for the mess this country is in today, after 5 years he doesn’t get to blame Bush anymore. The Dems forced TARP, employment was good under Bush, until Dems took over 2006, went down-hill from there.

            His party with their Community Reinvestment Act and protecting of the corrupt Freddie Mae and Fennie Mac (who contributed generously to his campaign ), caused it.
            Our debt sky-rocketted under Obama. The buck stops with him.

          • Itarion

            Obama inherited 10 trillion in debt. That blame for that debt does not fall to him, it falls to all Presidents since the mid 1800’s, which was the last time that the US was not in debt. It is ridiculous and shortsighted to assign the sum total of the debt to the current President merely because he is currently in office. That said, the Obama administration has increased the debt, and is so at least partly responsible for the current debt total.

            But here’s an interesting thing to note, and it brings a new perspective into this mess. The President doesn’t set the tax rate, and the President doesn’t set spending. Congress, importantly the House, does that, and the President approves. And if you’ll look at recent history, 50 years or so, the debt has tended to go up with with a Republican controlled House.

            And what about this mess with the Tea Party faction forcing a shutdown? Do you care to explain or defend that?

          • $70129662

            Obama forced a shutdown. Obama increased the debt more than any president in the history of America. Ask DNC to send trolls that at least know a little something, your ignorance is annoying.

          • Nog

            Yes he did, by standing up to the bullies that are the Republican Party

          • $70129662

            Finally we agree, he shut down the government, because it is his way or the high way, only this is America, not a dictatorship.

    • $70129662

      I guess honorable is when you take taxpayer money to purchase your own books in bulk, like Barack Obama.

  • BlackJack Charles

    Oh, shut the fuck up!

    • otlset

      Nothing like accepting free speech, much like the liberal student fascists on some university campuses yelling down a speaker they don’t agree with to prevent him/her from freely speaking. Hypocrites.

      • Itarion

        No, no. You can say what you want, we “liberal student fascists” just don’t have to listen. And can say stuff back.

        Also, how the hell is a liberal also a fascist?

        Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.

        Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

        Authoritarian means not free. Liberty means free. “Liberal fascist” is fundamentally self-contradictory, and trying to label someone as such is fundamentally stupid.

        • otlset

          Shouting down speakers preventing free speech is authoritarianism of the worst kind, as the term ‘fascism’ is now used to describe forcing people to do others bidding against their will. Shouting down speakers to prevent them from expressing their views is mindless authoritarianism at its frightening worst. And the idiot kids on campus do it anyway not realizing the irony of their attempts to squelch free speech.

          • Nog

            Cool, so people trying to force there form of worship in to public schools is fascism then, wow thank for the eye opening info.

          • otlset

            Nice try to shift the topic. Is your head full of nog?

          • Itarion

            No, the idiot kids on campus sit around playing League of Legends.

            Freedom of speech applies in public forums, which is not all college campuses. Private colleges can host what speakers they want, because they aren’t public forums. Constitutional rights apply to what the government will or will not do/allow, not what private entities can do.

            Second, if your ideas are being shouted down, it’s probably a good idea to examine why they are being shouted down. Location is a good start. They’re being shouted down on college campuses, which generally have intelligent people. Intelligent people don’t like stupid ideas. You can finish that math on your own, I think.

            It’s not all about free speech here. You are expecting that people have to listen, but that’s not what the right is. The right is the right to speak, not the right to be listened to. A violation of the freedom of speech is imprisonment because of ideas, and similar. The government acting against the speaker is the violation. The US Constitution holds the US government to certain restrictions, not free, unrelated agents.

          • otlset

            All that typing and you still can’t defend the squelching of free speech, one of the cherished tenets of the left as I understand. And here you strain to defend instances of squelching its expression. Fail.

          • Itarion

            I’m not attempting to defend the squelching of free speech. I’m all for free speech. It’s the forced listening you propose that I don’t like.

            Let’s take an example. By your argument, I can say whatever I like, wherever I like, and everyone there has to listen. [If that’s not what you think, let me know.] Thus, I could, if I wanted to, teach evolution theory at the Creation Museum, and they can’t do a damn thing about it. However, I have no illusions about what would happen if I were to try that: I’d be kicked out. Why? Because the Creation Museum is a private organization not affiliated with the US government. I would not go screaming about how my rights have been violated, because…

            The freedom of speech applies only to interference by the government. Say what you like, absolutely, and the government won’t stop you. Expect people to be forced to listen, and you’ll be disappointed. A friendly audience is not assured. Expect people to be forced not to object, and you’ll be disappointed. Your audience has a freedom of speech, too.

            You argument calling on the freedom of speech fails, because it sets your right to speak above the rights of others to speak, but [ideally] everyone is equal before the law. Everyone has a right to speak their mind, including the audience, and if they don’t like your mind, they are free to say so.

          • otlset

            This is a very strained and unsuccessful rationale for the limits of free speech. If you and the rest of the college shouters don’t want to listen, cover your ears and repeat “Naaa naaa naaa naaa…”. But I have the right to speak my mind, no matter what the subject, even on a college campus. But you can’t force someone to repress his right to free speech, especially on what is usually known as a bastion of free-speech — the college campus.

          • Itarion
          • Nog

            Cool so lets also teach about every other version of creation, of every belief system, lets have images of Hindu gods in school and teach kids to be Muslims as well as Christian, while we’re at it lets go back to the world being flat and the moon of green cheese. After all, that’s all free speech as well

          • Itarion

            Yeah, but it’s also STUP… I see what you did there.

          • otlset

            Okay.

        • Barb

          Nazism was National Socialism, and in competition with Stalin. Since there could ‘only be one’, Stalin turned on Hitler. So, Fascism actually is a form of socialism. Sorry, it’s true.

          • Itarion

            It can call itself what it wants, but what it IS is a form of extremist nationalism and state endorsed racism.

            Second, you’ve got your aggressors backwards. Hitler turned on Stalin, in violation of the non-aggression pact signed by both, probably because Germany viewed the USSR as a threat despite said pact.

            Finally, socialist governments tend to join together for the good of everyone, which is what socialism is about. Take a look at all of the socialist states in the European Union, all not trying to kill each other. Dictatorships, of which fascism is a form, tend to avoid sharing power with other groups.

            Seriously, they’re really, really different.

          • Barb

            They are exactly the same – socialist. And Stalin killed many times more than Hitler and was determined to bring to world under his rule. They are both horrible and the same. Stalin had no intention of working with Hitler, he never worked with anyone. You should find out more about Stalin. He was the worst dictator of all. His own staff let him die because he was so dangerous. Socialism is destructive, period. And you might want to check out the dictatorship building in Brussels. If that is so benign, why is it so dictatorial and why are so many member states looking for a way out.

          • Itarion

            And now you’re confusing socialism and Communism. And ignoring that Soviet Communism shifted away from pure Marxist doctrine into a dictatorial regime.

            Where do you get your information from?

          • Michelle Erb

            Actually Hitler gained power by amping up the fear and hatred of Communisim. He was as right-wing as you can get. http://www.theholocaustexplained.org/ks3/the-nazi-rise-to-power/how-did-nazis-gain-power/the-nazis-gain-power/#.UodkYOJDd9Y http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

          • otlset

            Like Obama and the ‘progressives’ are now amping up the fear of conservatives and those sympathetic to one of the many iterations of the “Tea Party”. Blame the Tea Party thugs eh?

  • TrueBlue

    Read the story Bristol’s linked here (or Nancy’s linked here). It’s so dumb. Woods is ticked because religious songs aren’t going to be sung at school. Here’s a solution, Mr. Woods, and I promise, Christ will approve: go to church and lift your voice and praise Him there, OR gather round your fire and praise His name as a family. I can assure you, Mr. Woods, these traditions are just as wonderful.

  • nogeeksadmin

    Looks like the apple didn’t fall far from the Idiot Tree.

    • otlset

      Nicely substantial post. I’m sure you’re proud of your childish name-calling.

  • Lindsay

    When I lived in New York there was a pretty big Jewish population. I learned Christmas AND Hannukkah songs in school. This dad would likely throw a fit if his kid came home from school signing Hannukkah songs.

  • nogeeksadmin

    “Fight back”

    Translation: link to my grifter mommy’s book on Amazon, so that we may make money off the Christmas holiday! Shameless pieces of garbage.

    • otlset

      The usual liberal intolerant name-calling. It’s all you got — mean-spirited nasty name-calling.

  • Stephanie

    The only acceptable belief system in public schools is none at all. Christianity is so watered down to make it equal to other religions in order to seem “fair” (Jesus was just another dude, nothing about what “Son of God” means). I grew up in a very secular background and it wasn’t until I was finished with college and did some outside research that I finally learned what Christians actually believe, and have been Christian ever since. I was also shocked at what Islam teaches… good grief, no wonder they water it down so much… very radical anti-anything-that’s-not-Islam religion.

  • Beebo

    Parents can either homeschool their children, they can put their children in a private school, or they can live with their children not singing religious songs at public school. Why? Not everyone is a Christian. Christianity isn’t the only way to seek God. Many parents understand that. Many churches have programs that involve their kids at various times during the year. Do you want to know why Christianity is losing a strong base? It isn’t because of the crap you believe. It is because of “Christians” shoving their religion down everyone’s throats. I have distanced myself from Christianity because of attitudes like that! Do some research! Read the book UnChristian! It is done by a Christian research group and they know what they’re talking about.

  • $70129662

    Wow, Bristol, you’ve got them all wee-weed up, as Dear Leader Obama would say. LOL!

    Hilarious: DNC thanks Obama for pledging to protect Americans from Obamacare!

    http://mikesright.wordpress.com/2013/11/14/hilarious-dnc-thanks-obama-for-pledging-to-protect-americans-from-obamacare/

    Also check out http://twitchy.com/2013/11/14/nauseating-dnc-thanks-obama-for-pledging-to-protect-americans-from-obamacare-pic/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter for some hilarious comments.

  • Abe Green

    As a Chasidic Jew, while Christmas is not a holiday I celebrate, I agree with your position. I see the underlying issue is not about the denominations of faith we adhere, but an extinction of God; to spread and seed the atheistic agenda.

    This education issue is something we God believing people should unite to fight. I see the danger of this infestation of atheism, were so many people my age and younger have abandoned the Genesis of wold creation and think the government/scientists created the world.

    I blame this atheistic agenda on the First Amendment, which says “Congress shall make no law respecting the freedom of religion….” But may/should (shall is a legal terminology for a mandate/decree of law) enact laws like abortion or demons education that DISRESPECT religion. We need to restore freedom of religion beyond the laws of Congress.

    • Nog

      We have freedom of religion, checking my notes which religion are we talking about? I get confused because there are so many of them and each group per the constitution has a right to worship freely there version of God. Now being able to say merry Christmas is a non issue, there is no government crack down on freedom of speach. Now corpse rite issues and public schools operate under different rules, they trying not to exclude based on ones belief. See in the USA it’s more importent to allow as many people to participate in the freedom process by understanding that not all people worship the same plus God, who never attends meetings, to determine a woman’s right to control her body, see people who have no regard for other people’s rights have determined that they get to speak for God in regards to what others can and cannot do. Sadly the same rules rarely apply to those people being I guess perfect and above such things as compassion, love and basic human decency.

      • Abe Green

        I must distinguish your comment from mine. The right to freedom of religion is a natural and unalienable one; it has nothing to with the Bill of Rights [You Think You Have]. However, read carefully the word RESPECT in the First Amendment, which does allow for DISRESPECT of religion.

        The First Amendment reads “Congress shall make no law respecting the freedom of religion….” Yet, we have all sorts of Congressional mandates that disrespect religion, including Government sponsored abortion or forcing religious people to pay their employees decision to abort even if it violates/disrespects the employers religion.

        If you want some more examples of DISRESPECT of religion look at the fact that dinosaurs must be taught in public schools even though it disrespects a child’s religion. However, the schools will not teach that Jesus bankrupted paganism or that Moses brought the Ten Commandments to the Hebrews on Mt. Sinai.

        The shit list goes on and on. The First Amendment supposedly created the separation of church and state but did not create the separation of church and atheism. Remember Thomas Jefferson, the founding father who influenced the First Amendment, is the same dude that slandered the Bible. Look up the Jefferson Bible.

        We need to untie against the preaching of Atheism, regardless of our religious denomination. The liberal perfectionism of demonizing religion is now colorful everywhere including in the media and every law coming for our government.

        • Itarion

          Can I point out that that is a gross misreading of the 1st Amendment? The intent is concerning, as in, “The US gov. isn’t to be bothered with religions.” The US government will neither affirm nor condemn any given religion. The United States is not walking over anyone’s religion by saying that government agencies – schools included – need to let religions with an even field. It’s preventing the majority religion from waltzing over the top of less popular religions, traditions, and philosophies.

          • Abe Green

            Your comment does not explain the government mandated abortion. I can understand the concept that government agencies seek to have an even field. However, why teach children about dinosaurs while prohibiting the teaching that Moses delivered the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai?

          • Nog

            Well mighty as well teach about Zues while your at it. Dinesours exist, are part of the fossel record and are cool, kids love them. And government allows a woman’s right to choose for her self, another cool thing. And I’d rather be in a country that understands both need to exist.

          • Abe Green

            If that is the case, then why not teach about the Christian significance of Christmas?

          • Itarion

            At minimum, two reasons: First, most of America KNOWS the Christian significance of Christmas. Second, it is not the place of a secular school system to teach religious lore for the modern day.

            Personally, I find learning about the anachronisms of the holiday. Where the heck does the tree come from? Pagan tradition. Where does the holly come from? Pagan tradition. Where does the mistletoe come from? Pagan tradition. Why does this stuff get kept? Cause the average Christian forgot where it came from.

          • Abe Green

            I am not Christian so I cannot defend its traditions but I can tell you even if they are Pagan they are significant to a global/universal holiday.

            Even if assuming that Christmas has Pagan elements, the significance of Christmas can still be thought in the schools of who Jesus was and why his birth is important to history. Yet, the history of Christmas is scrapped but the Pagan Christmas Trees with the ornaments, along with other Christmas symbols are displayed all over our public school system and in every governmental building. This hypocrisy is nothing more than taking a religious holiday and as you called it, making it “secular”.

            There is no better definition to the “secular school system” than fascism. Whatever the secular corporations dictate as education worthy, this is education. The only reasons kids see Christmas trees etc in the schools, so the kids would ask from their parents for Christmas Presents. Another scientific method by the corporations to control this Secular Education for Children.

          • Itarion

            I am not Christian so I cannot defend its traditions but I can tell you even if they are Pagan they are significant to a global/universal holiday.

            I don’t expect you too, I’m fine with the traditions. I just like looking at where the traditions really come from. If they’re pagan, it’s because the converts didn’t stop celebrating their way. Ideas move around, and traditions change.

            Even if assuming that Christmas has Pagan elements, the significance of Christmas can still be thought in the schools of who Jesus was and why his birth is important to history.

            That story is told, at least in that the religion and the idea of Jesus had a huge part in history. The slow decline of a broken half of the former Roman empire as the only world power for a thousand years. Then the Crusades to “regain”, by which I mean capture, the Holy Lands, since the Europeans were new to the area. And a variety of other ignorant and bloody events. Yes, Christianity is a historical and modern power, and it does poorly in both of those.

            There is no better definition to the “secular school system” than fascism. Whatever the secular corporations dictate as education worthy, this is education. The only reasons kids see Christmas trees etc in the schools, so the kids would ask from their parents for Christmas Presents. Another scientific method by the corporations to control this Secular Education for Children.

            You really like that word, don’t you. “Fascism.” A short, angry word, easy to spit out like acid, or poison. Secular schooling is not fascism. Fascism is, first, a governmental system. Specifically, a dictatorial governmental system. Dictators don’t like to have a generally educated populace, it makes holding on to power difficult. As for “education worthy” well, I’m not altogether pleased with the direction that some secular institutions are going. But, the heart of the matter is that ANYTHING can be worth studying, provided that one goes about studying it in the proper manner. You just have a generally dim view of humanity as a whole, don’t you. Does Judaism have anything on the fallen state of man? I know that’s Catholic, but it’s derived from the events leading to the exile from Eden. [And it rather irritates me, as a way of looking at people.]

          • Abe Green

            I absolutely have a dim view of the so called humanity our government is shaping up with ignorance and violence everywhere. In the “secular school system” handwriting is no longer part of education because it is outdated, which is prima facie ignorance. Let me not mention the utterance of violence our secular government is spreading abroad with wars and domestically including with retaining everyone’s emails for their corporate interests. I do have a dim view because my emails are view-able by my secular government.

          • Itarion

            Yeah, I’m not big on the US’s actions of late, either. If by handwriting you mean cursive, rather than printing, I think it is. You aren’t using handwriting to reply to me. Prima facie: at first look. Take a second. How necessary is cursive writing? How often do you use it?

            Let me not mention the utterance of violence our secular government is spreading abroad with wars and domestically including with retaining everyone’s emails for their corporate interests.

            Oops, too late. I do definitely object to the loads of money being spent on war, the [relatively] new name for the Department of War [Defense my ass], and the actually new Dept of Homeland Security. I do urge you to reconsider what you understand secular to be. The vast majority of the government actually holds to Christianity, and more than a few admit to allowing it to “inform their decisions”. Further, there is very little secular reason to go to war: for the most part, its fairly pointless. “War is not about who’s right or wrong, but who’s left.” It’s an abhorrent waste of life and resources.

            But really, my question was about faith based reasoning for a pessimistic view of humans. Is there any sort of doctrine [is that the right word? Terminology seems to change between religions] encouraging or supporting this view?

          • Abe Green

            Even regular handwriting is barely thought in the secular schools let alone cursive. Even if you do not consider cursive as important, it is as important as dinosaurs.

            Think again, the Departments of Offense and Homeland Insecurity is both run by secular principles. I have no need to prove to you that religious services or freedoms is barely provided if any in these two departments. President Obama is secular, like a number of our presidents were. The heads of these departments and decision makings are all secular, and utilized by secular principles in their duties, which have nothing to do with religion.

          • Itarion

            As knowledge, yes. As a skill, yes. The ability to locate and identify dinosaurs is important to some few people.

            Secular my ass.
            War Dept:
            http://www.redstate.com/matthewclark/2013/08/14/victory-no-atheists-in-foxholes-article-reinstated-on-chaplains-website/
            Homeland Security:
            http://www.scn.org/ccapa/pa-vs-const.html
            Former Pres Bush II:
            http://www.pierretristam.com/Bobst/07/wf081507.htm

            Pres Obama:

            In an interview with the Washington National Cathedral magazine, President Obama discussedhow his faith influenced his politics — saying that at the end of the day ‘God is in control.’

            “First and foremost, my Christian faith gives me a perspective and security that I don’t think I would have otherwise: that I am loved. That, at the end of the day, God is in control,” Obamasaid.

            http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/obama-talks-about-his-faith-132696.html

            The wars in the Middle East is religiously inspired on one side, and greed inspired on the other. Was 9/11 faked? No, but it got abused like none other, and warnings were ignored. That was not a bolt from the blue, except to people with their heads up their asses.

            The gist is that, despite designs, the government of the United States is not secular, and Christianity is the de facto religion of the state, and people get pissed off, and misuse and abuse words just to get good and riled up.

          • Abe Green

            The violence in the Middle East is not religious, but inspired by those who nothing about their own religion. People of all religious denominations say, if these violent extremists would read the Quran they would not be killing each other. So it is not religion that is the problem, it is the lack of familiarity of their own religion that allows them to be fooled by the American Department of Offense.

            I am Jewish and cannot defend Christianity as my own faith, but I will say Christianity is steadfast as ever. Atheism, Paganism, and Secularism has been a de facto since the disciples of Jesus revealed the New Testament.

          • Itarion

            And for every cry of “Not really that religion” I say, “False.” Why is it a problem to take them at their word? You have religious figures inciting suicidal sociopathy in people, and it is unrelated to the religion?

            Religion is just another division. It brings people apart, makes it easy to say “us” and “them.” It makes “them” easy and right to kill, and the death of one of “us” a heinous offense requiring death and death and death.

            Sorry, not just. Not only. But that is a use for it, and an all too common use.

            This is the very first time in history that atheism as a movement NOT endorsed by the state has become even marginally popular and outspoken. How is that the “of fact” religion for the past 2000 years?

          • Abe Green

            Exactly, atheism and secularism acted out much worse than religion did, right in its development. Stalin and Hitler both atheist, killed more in one instance than these radicals in the middle east can in a decade.

          • Itarion

            Stalin was suppressing religion because it was a threat to his authority. Hitler… wasn’t atheist. He was Nazi, which appears to have been loyalty to country elevated to the point religious fervor. “[Hitler] himself saw Christianity as a temporary ally, for in his opinion ‘one is either a Christian or a German’. To be both was impossible. Nazism itself was a religion, a pagan religion, and Hitler was its high priest… Its high altar [was] Germany itself and the German people, their soil and forests and language and traditions.”

            At the same time, I don’t hesitate to condemn the actions of these countries, but atheism did not lead to Communism or Nazism. Nazism is unrelated, and Communism leads to atheism, and the actions taken to bring around each can clearly be violent. But the purpose was not atheism for the sake of atheism, it was worship of the state.

          • Abe Green

            Again, excuses but no rational. Stalin saw religion as a threat to his authority because religion brings freedom. So did Hitler use religion because without religion he had no legitimacy in a Christian population.

          • Itarion

            In a sense, yes… Religion was something he didn’t control, so he got rid of it, because he was a dictator and thus wanted as much power as possible.

            Yep. He used Christianity as a tool to make his ends. His goal, however, was to replace it with a religion with the state as the god, of which he was the head priest, so to speak.

          • Nog

            George bush, a white Christian republican could not wait to invade Iraq, to the point he created a fake reason to go to war, Obama on the other hand is working to peace not war.

          • Itarion

            Just because we looked for the black cat WMD and didn’t find it them, doesn’t mean that it they weren’t there…

          • Abe Green

            Pin blame someone’s personal fault on an entire religion.

          • Itarion

            If the religion influenced those actions at fault, yes.

            If the religion endorsed or allowed those actions when the religious institution was in to stop those actions, yes.

            When the religion in question has a history of endorsing and encouraging similar actions, yes.

          • Abe Green

            Religion is a powerful tool for spirituality. Yet, it is so powerful that those benefiting of war use religion to justify their wrongs. Still religion does not approve of their wicked action.

          • Nog

            I see your issue, churches teach about God and all that God stuff, people have a right to choose their church and that effects the teaching they receive. Kids in school rarely have a choice to what school to attend and school teaches math and science and all that real world stuff. So teach God in church and math in school, rather simple.

          • Abe Green

            How about just not teaching so much about materialism?

          • Itarion

            Hmm… Government permitted abortion is probably a better choice of words. Mandate sounds like everyone needs to have one, rather than it being the personal choice of a woman and possibly her family. It is required for religiously affiliated healthcare institutions to give such because their primary objective is healthcare and not proselytization.

            Because the dinosaurs we have record of besides a book. The OT (Torah for you? The terminology changes depending who you ask…) is an ostensibly historical document, but there are not archaeological records confirming the giving of the Commandments. Furthermore, the teaching of such is akin to teaching the creation of a legal system, and the Hebrews were not exceptional in that regard, being neither the first, nor being “ahead of their time” compared to their contemporaries. The choice to not teach Judeo-Christian lore doesn’t stem from any denial of its truth, but of its usefulness from a historical standpoint in influencing current events.

          • Abe Green

            So you are arguing that hospitals founded by Catholic nuns to provide healthcare as part of their religious mission and belief system must provide abortion because it is “healthcare and not proselytization” is precisely the type of DISRESPECT the First Amendment allows against the freedom of religion.

            Somehow you have a record of dinosaurs, based on what….. a scientific hypothesis? You are so sure and certain that the Old Testament is not scientific, because whatever you know about the Torah is one or two verses here and there. Let me share with you, the Torah is more than just scientific. As someone who knows Kabbalah and can read the Hebrew script I can decode based on the Torah everything happening in life.

            For instance, A specific example of word decoding is the name “Adam” (אדם) which means “man”; its arithmetic as
            written in Hebrew tells us the harmony of human. The Talmud in (Nidah 31a) explains the human development as:

            שלשה שותפין יש באדם הקב”ה ואביו ואמו אביו מזריע הלובן שממנו עצמות וגידים וצפרנים ומוח שבראשו ולובן שבעין אמו מזרעת אודם שממנו עור ובשר ושערות ושחור שבעין והקב”ה נותן בו רוח ונשמה וקלסתר פנים וראיית העין ושמיעת האוזן ודבור פה והלוך רגלים ובינה והשכל
            Three partners of Father, Mother, and God coexist in the creation of a human. The father provides the semen, which formula develops the bones, veins, nails, and the brain. The mom takes the semen and grows the amniotic
            for blood, which formula provides the skin, flesh, hair, and the eyes. God provides for the human the soul, spirit (includes breathing), appearance, vision, hearing, speech, ability to walk, comprehension and understanding.

            Here is some math:

            אדם =45 (Adam)

            The breakdown is
            א = 1 (Alef)
            ד = 2 (Dalet)
            ם = 40 (Mem)

            אב = 3 : אם = 41
            א= 1
            ב = 2
            ם = 40

            44 = ילד
            י=10
            ל=30,
            ד=4

            The Alef (א) of A-dam equals to one, which stands for God because he is one as the Bible says, “O’hear Yisrael, God is our Lord, God is One” (Deuteronomy 2:4). Then there is the construct of the word דם (Dam), the second part of the word A-dam, which means blood in Hebrew. The word Dam (blood) is equal to the words אם (mother) and אב (father) as the combined numerical calculation is 44; which is also, the same amount as the word ילד (child). If you notice, אב is calculated to only a fraction of three of Dam—forty-four (3/44), a ratio of what the father contributes to the human development. The remaining is what the mom provides for the creation of a human, a significant portion the man does not provide. The number 41 also reflects the maximum of weeks a mom is pregnant. Combined the Alef and Dam, there is the name A-dam.

            Here is a video that will explain it to you further http://youtu.be/76onHqQSAtI

          • Itarion

            So you are arguing that hospitals founded by Catholic nuns to provide healthcare as part of their religious mission and belief system must provide abortion because it is “healthcare and not proselytization”

            Indeed I am. So what of it? There is not, to my knowledge, anything in the Bible banning abortion. You [general] don’t have the right to deny choices to others. Abortion or carry to term is a rather heavy choice, and there is one person who makes that choice: the woman who carries the child.

            Somehow you have a record of dinosaurs, based on what….. a scientific hypothesis?

            Based on a great many fossils found buried in the earth, the matching of the depth of these fossils with a variety of other age determining methods, including, but not limited to, geological events, rock age strata, and radioisotopic dating of various elements present in and around the fossils.

            You are so sure and certain that the Old Testament is not scientific, because whatever you know about the Torah is one or two verses here and there. Let me share with you, the Torah is more than just scientific. As someone who knows Kabbalah and can read the Hebrew script I can decode based on the Torah everything happening in life.

            And make unerring and specifc predictions of what is and will happen? Bull. Anyone who claims to have or be “more than science” immediately loses my respect, either for not understanding what science is and does, willfully denying observable reality for a pipe-dream, or both.

            For instance, A specific example of word decoding is the name “Adam” (אדם) which means “man”; its arithmetic as
            written in Hebrew tells us the harmony of human. The Talmud in (Nidah 31a) explains the human development as:…

            You’re pulling numbers from a book, and applying extant meanings to them. Those numbers don’t have those meanings for themselves, you’ve applied the meanings after the calculations. However, for the sake of argument, do me. Here’s my first name, in the original Hebrew: נְתַנְאֵל. Explain who I am, using those numbers.

          • Abe Green

            My response on your items:

            Thank you very much for agreeing with me that the First Amendment forces to violate religion because the woman, who has a right to choose. decided to be admitted to a religious hospital instead of a secular one.

            Based on fossils found in the desert of Egypt there is evidence that Moses had a cellphone because archaeologist dug the earth particles and did not find any wires. When the earth and rocks from the deserts in Egypt was compered to the earth and rocks from Columbia University the atoms matched.

            It is interesting how the testament of the Bible you do not want to trust, but the meteorologist forecasting the weather you will trust even though meteorology failed so many times including with Hurricane Katrina. You will trust Apple with an iPhone to lead your life based on company warranties but will defy God because you don’t trust his unfailing testament in the Bible.

            Your name נתנאל is combined of two words נתן (given) by אל (God). There is more to your name. The נ is spelled as נין, which is in Job 18:19. ת which is spelled תו is in Ezekiel 9:4. You can study the words there to learn more about the coding of your name.

            In addition, נתנאל in reverse is written לאנתן (Not Given). You can pick and choose what you want your name to mean, whether Given by God as looking forward to the prophecies, or in reverse as Not Given like stubborn who refuses to repent and go forward but is stuck in the negativity.

          • Itarion

            Suppose that there is one hospital within reasonable distance, as defined by this woman’s ability to travel at a whim. This hospital is Catholic, and tries to avoid performing abortions. Does she have a choice as to which hospital she is admitted to?

            You’re going to have to cite a source on that one, I think, because I can’t find it with a quick search.

            Frankly, I don’t trust the weather out past today, and just for an estimation. Katrina was not a failure of predictive capabilities, but a failure of engineering. Most of the destruction and devastation was caused by the failure of the levees holding back the extra water near the Delta after the hurricane ended. It was then exacerbated by poor government responses. Also, I don’t like Apple products, since I like getting a comparable product for cheaper.

            You cannot [evidenced by your refusal to attempt] predict my personality, therefore numerology is, as far as I continue to be concerned and your subconscious appears to be concerned, discredited.

          • Abe Green

            The name נתנאל is in Number 1:8, but for its definition you need to know basic Hebrew. Since you don’t know basic Hebrew, I cannot blame you for discrediting me.

          • Itarion

            A blind man cannot see, and yet there are ways of proving light to him. A deaf man cannot hear, yet sound might be proven to him.

            An example of the blind proof of light: Two blocks with different texture and color. Without feeling, you can determine, with better than 50/50 odds, which block is which. You can tell that one is missing, which one is missing, whether one has been moved, ALL WITHOUT TOUCH. Something similar can be done with the deaf man. You have two people who can hear, but cannot see each other. One can see the deaf man. The deaf man selects a number, and the other, who cannot see the deaf man, holds up that many fingers, again with better than 50/50 accuracy.

            If you cannot provide evidence of your theory, that is either a failure of your theory, or a failure of yourself. Do NOT pin this on me.

          • Abe Green

            The deaf man and the blind man, both have a soul which gives them the ability to utilize their intelligence even when their eyes or ears are physically defective. Since your soul is defective you are reluctant to use your eyes to Google a translation for the words נתנ/נתן and אל. Do not pin the blame on me your failure to know basic Hebrew.

            You asked for my input on the word נתנאל, which i graciously gave you. You are dissatisfied with the results so you are acting out.

          • Itarion

            I can look up the words, and understand the literal meaning of them, but without the context of the language they mean nothing more. I am a gift of god, my name says. To reconcile this with the facts of the origin of my life, I must conclude, based on this incomplete perspective, that either this study of names and numbers is meaningless, or science is God, and since science says this is meaningless, God says this is meaningless, thus this is meaningless.

            I am not pinning my ignorance of a foreign language upon anything. You have two skills that I do not, the language and numerology. I am at least curious enough to ask about it, and you share minimally that which I can find on my own, and then berate me for not accepting that as sufficient. That is not gracious, it is patronizing. I am not dissatisfied with the results, I am dissatisfied with the LACK of results. You claim to have something, and when challenged, show nothing.

          • Abe Green

            Well if you want more on your name, that would require a further analysis you will most likely not comprehend without knowing the depth of the Hebrew language.

            The word נתנאל means Given by God, because it is a combination of two words. Call it gift of god, the meaning would be the same and not alter a bit. This is only if you read the word נתנאל from right to left. However, if you read the word נתנאל from left to right like in English then the word will mean לאנתנ. The word לא means NOT נתנ which means given will make the combination of the two words Not Given.

          • Itarion

            that would require a further analysis you will most likely not comprehend without knowing the depth of the Hebrew language.

            Try me.

          • Abe Green

            If you do not understand the depth of the word נתנאל, your name; why waste my time?

          • Itarion

            Using the numbers of my name, can you tell things about me that were not previously known? I don’t care to know how it is done, which requires the depth of knowledge I lack. I can look at what you predict of me and know if it is right. Predict something inherent to me with my name, and I will admit that there is something to numerology.

          • Abe Green

            Now you re asking for predictions, which I usually am not accustomed to do. Since you insists to follow the secular science which reads from left to right, I will do the same. לאנתנ also means לאן תן, to where should you give. Taking the initials of those two words that combination is 430 and the spell out the לת I find the words לת מו ד, which if you combine leads to the word לתמוד (to learn).

          • Itarion

            The translator is outputting “לתמוד” as “cute”. Is that a missed translation, or what?

          • Abe Green

            The word לתמוד as cute is not in ancient Hebrew, its modern Hebrew and you can use that application. .

          • Itarion

            Still, missed translation or not, “cute” was pulled from my name, and is moderately relevant to my life currently, through a person. Identify him/her with moderate clarity, and I will concede that there is more to the world than just what I can science.

        • Nog

          The preaching is just science and common sense really, see the bible is not a book of science, it’s a love story spread out over 66 books written over a two thousand year span. No wherein the bible does it worry about things like evolution or black holes etc. it worries about the souls of all humanity. Science and free thinking is not atheism, the woman right to choose is not atheism, civil rights and common respect for all non whites is not atheism either.

          • Abe Green

            Your comment still does not explain the government mandated abortion to be paid by individuals whose religion gets offended. I can understand the concept of equal treatment and that the Bible in your view is not scientific. However, if dinosaurs is science and is critical for our education… then why is world creation not science?

            Further, in your view if abortion has nothing to do with atheism, then please check who are the ones pushing for free abortions.

          • Itarion

            Because it’s their damned job. If your religion gets in the way of your job, you’re in the wrong job. Getting an abortion, choosing whether or not to have children is a PERSONAL choice, and some stranger with a scalpel doesn’t have the right to decide that for you. They have the right to decide it for themselves. If you don’t like abortions, you don’t have to get one. But if someone else wants one, you don’t have the right to tell them not to have one, or otherwise prevent them from getting one.

            World creation is not science because it doesn’t follow the science method. “World creation” begins with a conclusion, and finds evidence, which makes for some poor science. Begin with the evidence, and follow where it leads.

          • Abe Green

            So you are saying the religious person who has a business and as a result has employees is in the wrong business because the government decided to force him/her to pay for the abortion of his/her employees. Your logic needs some logic.

            World creation does not follow science. I agree, because World Creation is superior to science.

            Can you please explain to me where knowledge goes after a person dies, and why it is impossible to extract knowledge from a deceased? Can you please find me the scientific ways to extract knowledge or intellect from a deceased?

          • Itarion

            Not even close. If your religious inhibitions prevent you from performing your job, then you are attempting to do the wrong job. My apologies if that was too complex for you to follow.

            Explain to me why a secularist should agree. Explain the superiority of World Creation without resorting to the World Creator.

            Knowledge = information. After a person dies, the information is gradually destroyed as the storage medium degrades. [In less technical terms, the brain rots.] Technically, it’s not impossible until the storage medium degrades, in the same manner that read/write damaged hard drives can potentially be recovered, but wiped hard drives cannot. Information is stored in the brain in the minute physical structure. Potentially, it would be possible to, prior to the degradation of the brain, copy the physical structure into an alternate medium and decode it, thus accessing all of the memories of the recently deceased.

          • Abe Green

            You still did not explain why the local grocery store owner who is Christian has to provide for abortion to his employees. So you are telling me, because he is Christian, he should not own a grocery nor have any business because otherwise he/she will be forced to provide health insurance with abortion coverage. Your logic still needs logic, why the Christian who is against abortion is not allowed to own a grocery store.

            World creation is simply not an implosion by coincidences like the Big Bang theory. The world has an intelligence to its structure that is beyond of human or natural design, including the fact that there is day and night which is not a coincident but an intelligent design that astronomers cannot duplicate. The human, who you consider to be just another specie, has the ability to grow in intelligence and development to the highest levels of intelligence, unlike the animals, fish or birds who cannot grow in their intelligence beyond their animal status. .

            They have studied Einstein’s brain sine the moment he died, yet where is the knowledge/intelligence?

          • Itarion

            Non sequitor: it does not follow. Why is the grocer paying for an abortion? Health insurance for employees? Not a local grocer: “Businesses with 50 or fewer employees may get employee health coverage in the SHOP Marketplace. Employers of this size aren’t required to offer health coverage.” Emphasis mine. https://www.healthcare.gov/what-do-small-businesses-need-to-know/ Your argument is silly, because that grocer doesn’t have to offer coverage for anything.

            World creation is simply not an implosion by coincidences like the Big Bang theory.

            Big bang theory is incomplete, and virtually everyone freely admits this. There are several potential theories that attempt to explain why we find a universe suited to our existence, if such a universe is the only, and unlikely. The popular trend is that it isn’t the only.

            The world has an intelligence to its structure that is beyond of human or natural design, including the fact that there is day and night which is not a coincident but an intelligent design that astronomers cannot duplicate.

            You realize that the inhabitable volume of the universe is virtually zero, right? That doesn’t seem like a very intelligent choice. Something like 90 percent of space is just wasted space. The duplication of day and night is more or less because of ability. It can totally be explained, though. Rotation of a star’s satellites. Day and night is by no means rare, and again, we have a 24 hour day because a 24 hour day is good for life: a relatively stable temperature, and the rotation is slow enough that inertia doesn’t fling [proto-] us off of the surface.

            The human, who you consider to be just another specie, has the ability to grow in intelligence and development to the highest levels of intelligence, unlike the animals, fish or birds who cannot grow in their intelligence beyond their animal status.

            Oh, that must mean we’re special! We’re the only smart ones! Maybe our special is to elevate the other species? Maybe we’re not that special. Dogs, dolphins, gorillas and chimps are all very intelligent, and I swear to you that my dog, while he lived, was smarter than some people I know.

            They have studied Einstein’s brain sine the moment he died, yet where is the knowledge/intelligence?

            First, I said it’s possible, not we can do it currently. “Potentially, it would be possible…” which just means that I saw this coming before you even asked. Second, Einstein’s brain got cut up into sections, which don’t come close to containing the whole of his knowledge. Third, the rate of degradation of organics is fairly high, because carbon is reactive, so his brain’s encodings are probably long gone. And finally, they did find something that might account for his genius. At the base of the cerebrum is a bridge, the corpus collosum, between the hemispheres of the brain. Einstein’s was far larger than average, allowing his thoughts, as neural firings, to move much more quickly between hemispheres. Since both hemispheres are involved in thinking, he was able to think and process information much faster than a typical human being.

          • Abe Green

            Your underlying response to every point is an excuse, not a rational. Religion, world creation, the Torah offers a rational to all its theories. But you need to study them to understand it.

            I need not to waste my time tantalizing your scientific theories, because the number one rule in science is, “One cannot prove a hypothesis, One can only disprove it.” If you want to disprove the hypothesis of Torah, then we have a conversation. If you want to discuss with me the hypothesis of some artists that is only possible to be disproved, then we are on a speculative subject not possible of proving.

            Knowledge and intelligence as well comprehension goes with the Soul. When a person dies from natural causes it is because the soul deceased from the human. According to religion the soul returns to high heavens with its creator. This is why people have been able to communicate with ghosts, demons, spirits etc because a soul does not die. Einstein’s intelligence was not in his brain but was in his soul.

          • Itarion

            I take it you are done, then? Very well.

            Thank you for sharing your thoughts. They are certainly interesting.

          • Abe Green

            I am never done, this is a conversation that can continue for ever.

          • Itarion

            I need not to waste my time tantalizing your scientific theories,

            certainly sounds like “stop wasting my time.”

          • Abe Green

            Give me something sound and solid to debate and we can spend time chatting. Possible theories, which you are not sure will suffice why waste time over those theories?

          • Itarion

            Because exploring what we don’t know is the only way to expand what we don’t know.

          • Nog

            He’s not actually cheating with you but with those people who might read your posts and be confused by the lack of rational thought you exhibit. What an individual receives from there doctors, from an abortion to a band aid will not, more ver be known by the employer. He’s simply helping his employee to get insurance.

          • Patty Kane

            “Common respect for all non whites!” What in the heck are you talking about?? Are you making being a Christian about being white??

  • 1MiddleRoader

    So many things here…
    1) The principal should have taken the calls, but there should have been other opportunities to resolve the issue before alerting the media. That’s what local school boards are for. If a parent can’t schedule a meeting with a teacher, or administrator, that’s a big red flag.
    2) The comparison with Halloween is not valid. I’m pretty sure no students rehearsed songs of adoration to ghosts, goblins, etc.
    3) Even some Christians, such as Jehovah’s Witnesses, do not celebrate Christmas (and most holidays).
    4) The music is rehearsed during Music class; this means that, unless they opt out, all the children in the class have to sing the songs, so it make sense to me that more neutral songs are chosen. Do you want to be a non-Christian singing “O Come Let Us Adore Him, Christ the Lord?”

  • Osbhaimta

    The PC police have ruined this country. Go rogue….say MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Scream HAPPY HANUKKAH!!! Dress up like a ghost and say TRICK OR TREAT!!!! Get a grip, people!!! Life is but a fleeting moment, don’t take it so seriously. Treat others as you would like them to treat you. Respect and love yourself so that you will know how to love and respect others. Take care of yourself, your family, your neighbors and friends. Give generously. I would add love God, but you don’t need to be a Christian to do these things. It’s really NOT THAT HARD!!!!

  • $70129662

    Now if Bristol was an Obama, she could have used taxpayer money to purchase her mom’s books in bulk, after all that is what Obama did for his books. Of course as with everything else, Obama “did not know” about it!

    State Department spent 70K to purchase Obama’s books – to send, wait – as Christmas gifts! And no, no other president ever did that! Now sit back and enjoy the liberals’ spin and justification for this:

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtontimes.com%2Fnews%2F2011%2Foct%2F25%2Fstate-department-buys-70000-worth-obama-memoir%2F%3Fpage%3Dall&ei=HdyHUsTAEIiwjAKcjYCABQ&usg=AFQjCNF1HBZasyh4YZI_r5eTqZnILKZn8w&bvm=bv.56643336,d.cGE

    • VL

      Rah, rah, rah. Melory, you are such a hack. How many hours per day do you spend researching this stuff in order to defend your queen?

      • $70129662

        That is all you can say? Too many facts for ya? I spend a second finding a link backing up what I already know, I am an informed voter, not from the low information crowd.

        • VL

          From limbaughs mouth to your ears and straight to your keyboard melory. How original. Do you have a thought of your own? Or do you just parrot right wing talking points 24/7.

          • $70129662

            You mean like from Chris Matthews, Ed Shultz and Daily Kos’ mouths to your ears, to your keyboard?

            I love El Rushbo, but no, I love doing my own research and educating myself. But I am not ashamed to qoute him – he is the all-loving, all-knowing, all-sensing great Maha Rashi! (liberals’ heads exploding!).

            Btw, how original of you – ridicule because you cannot deny the facts. So what do you think about Obama using taxpayers’ money to purchase his own books? Can we talk about that now, or are you avoiding the subject?

          • VL

            Did you read your own article melory? You saw only what you wanted to see in that article. Only the words that suit your agenda. Such a hack. And would you like to point out anything I said that is a direct quote from anyone from MSNBC? Why are their ratings terrible melory? Because we don’t need constant stroking and constant validation. Unlike you talk radio, Fox News drones.

          • $70129662

            You still have not answered my question.

            Did, or did he not use 70K (some reports say it was 79K) taxpayer money to purchase his own books in bulk and spread his propaganda? What do you have to say about that? In which scenario is that ok?

            What are the other “words” that I should have considered, “words” that in your opinion make his abuse of taxpayer money ok? So he gives to charity, so did all presidents and Sarah, it is very possible that most gave much more than Obama. If Sarah Palin, Bush or any Republican did this… don’t answer, we know.

          • VL

            Yes, that is so much more significant than the billions in tax money spent and the thousands upon thousands killed in the Bush wars. How petty melory.

          • $70129662

            Still avoiding the subject?

          • VL

            So 76,000.00 really grinds your gears. Scouring the internet for old articles to get my blood boiling just isn’t my thing. No, I don’t think this was a bad thing.If you read the article, they weren’t even sure if he knew about it.
            Thousands killed and billions spent on a trumped up phony war, should affect you melory. But that just rolls right off your back. We know, Bush good, Obama bad. Get a different tune.

          • $70129662

            Of course he knew about it – but then, he knows about absolutely nothing that goes on in his administration.

            So Bristol advertising her mom’s book on her own website for people to buy with their own money – bad! Obama using taxpayer’s money to purchase his own books in bulk and spread his propaganda – not a bad thing. Got it!

          • VL

            How do you know he knew about it? You need to get your hate on, so you assume. You don’t know, period.

          • $70129662

            Hate? A Sarah hater would know all about it.

            I have every right to criticize his abuse of taxpayer money. Especially since he was hailed as this new kind of ethical politician, unlike any other, that would bring “change to Washington”.

            What the Palin’s do with their own money is none of your business.

            If he did not know (which I don’t believe judging by his lack of character and the fact that he pretends to know nothing about all the scandals) and he found out later, why did he not pay the money back – that would have been the ethical thing to do.

          • VL

            I don’t care if Bristol advertises her mother’s book. Where did I say that? If she wants to spread her propaganda, that’s her business.

          • $70129662

            Liberals here have called her advertising her mom’s book “shameless”. And they are constantly criticizing her for advertising her mom’s book, don’t pretend you don’t know.

            At least she doesn’t steal taxpayer money to “spread her propaganda”, increase her mom’s books sales and line her own pocket, like Baraketh did for his books.

          • it’s my opinion

            Don’t forget Mika, Keith O. and of course MADCOW.

  • Rick Terry

    It is and has been a great concern. This admin. has openly declared war on Believers at every opportunity. They will continue to do as long as they stay in office. We must stand up for our beliefs and our God-Given Rights at every confrontation; otherwise they will continue to Bully us.

    • Itarion

      Actually, it’s mostly just keep it in the church. A war on religion was what was had back when Stalin was in charge of Russia. When the religious get sent en masse to North Alaska to die painfully and icily, then you can call the administration out for a war on religion.

    • VL

      You care to explain this nonsense? How has this admin. declared war on you? Victimhood is unbecoming of you so called Christians. The wool has clearly been pulled over your eyes. Thanks to Sarah etc.

      • otlset

        Good grief, Obama has pulled the wool over your and the rest of the gullible pie-in-the-sky liberal tool’s eyes for more than five years now — and it’s all collapsing now all around you — but unfortunately because of his stupid incompetence, malfeasance and dishonesty — we ALL are victims.

        • VL

          How has Obama declared war on Christians?

          • otlset

            Because of his lying malfeasance that has economically hurt this country, many may not even afford to have a Christmas.

          • VL

            As a Christian, what do you need to afford Christmas?

          • otlset

            Not me, others. And his willfully looking the other way and doing nothing as Christians in the middle east are slaughtered and dislocated by Muslims due to the “arab spring” he instigated and encouraged is another indication.

          • VL

            You conservatives can’t make up your minds. Hate on him when he does something, hate on him when he doesn’t. It’s just hate, period. Just admit it.

          • otlset

            He richly deserves it.

          • VL

            Economic stimulus for Sarah. Absolutely.

          • Nog

            For her wallet yes

          • $70129662

            You wanted it to be for your wallet? Don’t worry, government will redistribute her wealth to you.

            Thanks to people like Sarah making all this money, goverment can take care of the little wards of the state hanging around on the internet complaining about hard-working people getting rich.

            (Before you give me the liberal talking point – Hillary also:

            – makes money from speeches, etc.(but I know it is only a bad thing when Sarah does it);

            – has a book coming out (luckily for us she is not in office right now – these liberals love purchasing their own books with taxpayer money)

            – oh and she is getting rich from their so-called charities ( most of them money-making schemes, these “charities” according to a well-known, well-respected leftist at the New York Times!).

          • Nog

            Your the most funniest troll I ever met, it’s why I love coming here, it has the most funniest people spouting the funniest stuff, Melory, your a gem your foolish ness makes me smile. Thank you

          • $70129662

            All that mumbo-jumbo because you and VL can’t deny the facts.

          • VL

            Wow, you are balls deep melory, balls deep.

          • $70129662

            Good for her! She makes her money in an honest manner, unlike Barack. You know what I’m talking about:).

            What about the manner in which the Clintons, Pelosi and Feinstein are getting rich. When can we talk about that, man, you’ll love what I have to tell you, I have the easily verifiable facts!!

          • VL

            Honest? That’s debatable.

          • otlset

            Show me evidence where she’s not. If you find any, I’d like to contrast it with the boatload of whoppers Obama has churned out over the years. Sarah is an honest politician, which is the main feature that has attracted me to her side. Obama is a con-artist of the first rank, a liar through and through. And the tragedy is the gullibility of you and all the rest of the low-information voters that were tricked into voting for him — to the country’s great detriment.

          • otlset

            You must be willfully stupid, or at least slow on the uptake. Economic activity (buying and selling goods and services) benefits everyone involved, even the government through taxes.

          • Nog

            No he does not, he’s the president because he was chosen by the will of the people and he’s doing a good job once you get past the lie machine that’s become the Republican Party

          • otlset

            You’re a sucker to have voted for this fraud.

          • VL

            Or do you love the commercialization of Christmas, like Sarah. From the long lines at her book signing, looks like you conservatives are doing just fine.

          • otlset

            Besides the spiritual import, Christmas is probably the biggest economic stimulus of the year. Sarah knows this, and knows that economic improvement and commerce benefits almost everyone, which is why she extols the commercial aspect of the season.

  • John Gallagher

    Seriously???? Now you’re taking your cues from Bristol Palin???? The same Bristol Palin who didn’t seem to be able to keep her legs closed and p[opped out an illigitamate kid??? That Bristol Palin???? Daughter of the ONLY Alaskan governer to not last even half a term – who quit in the middle of it???

    That Bristol Palin??? You “christians” are scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

    • George Murrey

      Talk about far fetched, is this the best you can offer? You’re the one that needs to learn about being compassionate to others.

    • otlset

      Willful ignorance and hateful attitude. Some day your life may improve, and the hate will fade into acceptance of the truth and just a smidgen of compassion.

    • Nog

      She’s bitter she had to go back to her dull life, no more tv, no more plastic surgery, no more dragging her poor kid all over the map to make a buck, now she has to work for a living in some obscure crappy job because she had never gone to college

      • 1MiddleRoader

        Enough with the personal attacks! You don’t know that she’s bitter, or that her life is dull. You also don’t know whether there will be other TV offers (or plastic surgery, for that matter). You don’t know enough about her life to describe Tripp as “poor kid.” She apparently is working in a dermatology office- I wouldn’t describe that as “crappy job”. She is also apparently taking community college classes, and so what if she hasn’t graduated from college (yet.)? In her young life, she’s made a good bit of money (I assume). Good grief, there’s so much in her post to dissect and disagree with, without attacking her personal life.

        • Nog

          This is not her personal life, it’s the life she tries to put tv, in books heck who knows what else, the truth is that she’s back being pretty much one of us. One of us, one of us..the Palins are fading and that’s a good thing. What we need are people who have resolved them selves to enriching life and working for the betterment of man, not always bitching about Obama, the leftist and so on.

      • Abe Green

        Nog, I am amazed why you even hang around this page. Certainly you adhere to an secular or atheistic view and do not like the Palins. Why don’t you find some of your likes?

      • Guest

        Are you talking about Cher?

    • 1MiddleRoader

      Look, on most issues I don’t agree with Bristol or her mother. But personally attacking her is out of line. So she’s an unmarried mother- get over it! And just for accuracy’s sake, Sarah P. resigned about 2 1/2 yrs into a 4 yr term. So she lasted longer than half a term. That said, resigning before the end of one’s term does bring up legitimate leadership issues, and does make me think that she’s more suited to doing what she does now rather than holding political office.

      • $70129662

        Not agreeing with everything you said, but thank you for defending Bristol.

      • VL

        She is well suited for what she is doing now. Throwing out the red meat. The problem is she teases the faithful about running for office to keep them on the hook. And to keep money flowing to her Pac. Out of all the donations to her Pac last year, she gave a measly 5,000.00 to one candidate. The rest of the money spent on consultants (family) and postage (what!). What a racket.

        • 1MiddleRoader

          I agree that she should stop teasing the public about running for office, although some of her recent statements have sort of shut (but not locked) that door. Yeah, her PAC is a bit of a racket, but aren’t most PACs? I think the saying is, “A fool & his money are easily parted…”

          • VL

            Isn’t that a tease middleroader? Common sense tells us that she will never run for any office again. But, she knows she has to leave that door open just a crack to keep her fans excited about her. And yes pacs are rackets. But, in a recent speech she spoke against Pac money being used for consultants yet most of her Pac money went to consultants. Too funny.

        • Abe Green

          VL if you don’t like her don’t giver her any money. Those who give for Governor Palin money in my view do the right thing.

      • Abe Green

        What an foolish statement to make. Sarah Palin stands for leadership, as she was in her term of governor she finally realized as an elected official she cannot change the status quo, so she quit to pursue her mission through public advocacy. Now tell me what is wrong with that…..?

      • Doro

        I don’t think John’s point was to attack Single Mom Palin (unlike me) as much as it was to illustrate that she’s the last person anyone should be listening to for advice on anything.

  • Nog
  • Else Marie Ayala

    Seriously! You have to be kidding me with the Halloween comparison. The two holidays are completely different , celebratory-wise. Singing holiday songs that aren’t religous at christmas should make everyone happy, unless of course you really believe that Halloween is all about demons, well then if you insist on religous songs, then to be fair we should all dance around a fire at the full moon on Halloween. Get a grip, look up your holiday origins, and why christmas is in the month it is.

    • Nog

      Remember there is a conservative movement to end the practice of Halloween in schools because of there idea it promotes satin worship, along with heavy metal, dungeons and dragons and magic the gathering.

      • Itarion

        But I love heavy metal, Dungeons and Dragons, and trading card games! I call on freedom of expression to defend these activities!

      • 1MiddleRoader

        That’s true. Several yrs ago, I was having a Halloween party, and invited one of my best friends and her family. She declined, saying that they don’t celebrate Halloween for religious reasons. They see it as a celebration of evil. I’m suspect that’s why Mr. Woods choose that example.

  • Abe Green

    Is that all you have on your mind? Perhaps you are looking for the most perfect person to be your role model, if so you have the most imperfect speech in blogging.

  • Kristy Patullo

    It’s beyond ridiculous at this point. Thank God for the Palin’s for protecting
    the heart of Christmas.

  • Doro

    Of course it’s okay to celebrate Halloween as even the least rational of the population can understand that the goblins and witches aren’t real. The same can’t be said for X-mas. Some people really believe that the Jesus was born on December 25, in a manger, with the wise men coming to visit. It’s silly, and as long as its kept in the churches it does no harm. The myth has no place in public schools.


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