Abortion Enthusiasts Wear Coat Hanger Necklaces

How disgusting is this?

The D.C. Abortion Fund (DCAF) is providing a coat hanger pendant to contributors who donate $10 or more per month for women in Washington D.C., Maryland, and Virginia who are unable to pay for their own abortions.

The organization’s website says the coat hanger pendant is its way of saying “thank you” to its contributors.

DCAF states the organization “affirms women as decision-makers,” and hopes “to make ‘choice’ a reality because we believe that a woman’s right to healthcare should not depend on her wallet.”

I honestly can’t believe that someone would celebrate the destruction of babies (boys, and YES millions of girls) as a fashion statement for feminists.

You know the phrase “they wear their heart of their sleeves?”  Well, I guess DC feminists love to wear death on their necks.

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  • Michelle Erb

    Does Bristol or whoever wrote this think that anyone is promoting coat hanger abortions? Legal abortions do not involve coat hangers.

    The whole point is to remind everyone of the horrors that occur when abortion is illegal. It would be like a Jewish person wearing a necklace that said “never again,” or black people “jumping the broom.” They are recognizing the past and empowering themselves. Those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it.

    • mc

      The fact that abortion is legal is a dark mark on history. Period. It’s not “empowering” for women to be able to kill their unborn children legally now instead of back allies/coat hangers, etc. It’s sad and sick no matter how it’s done. Please do not even begin to compare the Holocaust or slavery to abortion…

      • Michelle Erb

        So you are against abortion if the woman’s health is in danger or if the fetus has a horrible diagnosis?

        I assume you are in favor of increasing access to healthcare, contraception, sexual education, and raising the minimum wage, since those things will reduce abortions.

        • Pet_Orange

          I think anyone with two brain cells would allow it if the woman’s life is in danger.

          • Michelle Erb

            Unfortunately when abortion is illegal, women have a horrible time accessing it in those situations, especially when legislators try to second guess the opinions of doctors. We need to make abortions rare by increasing access to contraception and education, and then we need to let women and their doctors decide when their health is in danger, or a fetus has a fatal diagnosis.

          • Cindy Carlson Johnson

            We need to value human life first.

          • Michelle Erb

            Cindy we all agree on that. That is why liberals want to see actual living people with souls provided with healthcare, head start, food stamps etc.

            We want to save the environment, so that less people will die in extreme weather events, and children will not be exposed to toxic chemicals and polluted air.

            Did you know that before the ACA (Obamacare) came into effect many women could not even buy insurance that covered prenatal care and birth? Thanks to Obamacare more women will choose to remain pregnant and actually have healthy babies.

            Your definition of human life seems to stop at birth. For some reason you think an embryo in a petrie dish is more important than a living breathing child.

            When even the Pope thinks you have gone too far…

          • Section 9

            Actually, no, you want to create a dependent class of serfs who will vote for your candidates.
            That is all you want.
            May your chains hang lightly upon you.

          • Michelle Erb

            You forgot to say “Benghazi” The 1% has done an excellent job of convincing you to vote against your own interests. Did you really want to shut down the government in order to prevent the lowest tax rates in history from going back up just 3% for the extremely wealthy? Who told you that was what you cared about?

          • Michelle Erb

            ..

          • http://hrh40.wordpress.com hrh40

            The VAST MAJORITY of abortions are NOT FOR THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER.

            Stop lying.

            The VAST MAJORITY of abortions occur when, as President Obama says, women are “punished” with a baby who is an inconvenience.

            VAST MAJORITY

          • Michelle Erb

            I never said they were the majority. They are not even a significant percentage of early abortions

            But guess what? There is an ABORTION PILL now. That means that even if you closed every clinic in this country you would not be able to stop women from choosing to have early abortions, although you could prevent them from having follow up medical care. The only way to reduce the vast majority of abortions is by making contraception and education more available and helping women get out of poverty.

            However, when you make more complicated abortions difficult, a significant portion of the time you are hurting women who desperately want children but have to make a gut wrenching choice. This is far more common that you think. These decisions need to remain between a woman and her doctor.

          • Section 9

            And by the way, Obamacare, like its advocate, was the product of a Big Lie.
            Goebbels taught the Democrats well, you see.
            When you promise that the average family’s bills will go down by $2500.00, and then break that promise because you were lying all along, people lose faith in you.
            Your act is done. You people lied to the country, and now you will be held to account. You thought the voters were stupid serfs, and btw, you still do.
            They’re not, fortunately.

          • Tred

            Pet, google Margaret McBride and you will find an example of how wrong you are…. Unless you are suggesting the Catholic Church doesn’t have two brain cells.

          • Michelle Erb

            Scroll up. A woman just posted that she would not allow life saving abortion because she would trust “god” to intervene. This is what we are dealing with and why government and the church need to stay out of women’s bodies.

          • Pet_Orange

            What she doesn’t understand is that God is intervening. If there’s anything that’s humanly possible, it’s up to us to discern properly. That’s true even if you’re not a believer.

          • Pet_Orange

            One.

          • Michelle Erb

            Hardly just one. The newest does not even expect a miracle, she just wants women to die “in the name of Jesus”. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bristolpalin/2014/04/a-moms-terrible-choice-her-life-or-her-childs/

            Considering the draconian laws Republicans have been passing in various states that are killing women, anyone who is truly prolife should be speaking out against this big government interference.

            Anyone who really cares about humanity would be doing the things that would make abortion more rare instead.

        • Cindy Carlson Johnson

          How often is a woman’s health in danger? I suppose you support contraception, sexual education as early as Kindergarten? Do you honestly think raising the minimum wage will reduce abortions?

          • geo

            The far left generally use the most rare, extreme cases to promote their agendas. Whether it be pro-abortion or anti-firearm, they’ll find that one in a million anecdote to hyperbolize the issue.

          • http://hrh40.wordpress.com hrh40

            This.

            a thousand times

            This.

          • Michelle Erb

            I would only teach kindergarteners about good touch bad touch, which would save some of them from molestation and ultimately prevent some abortions. Yes raising the minimum wage prevents abortions. Many abortions occur because of poverty and many earning minimum wage are supporting families. Raising the minimum wage also helps the economy and helps everyone earn more. It would also save us billions in foodstamps and other direct subsidies to companies like Walmart, who can only pay those kind of wages because we the tax payer support their employees.

      • Felicia Holland

        Women deserve to choose

        • http://hrh40.wordpress.com hrh40

          So I can murder you, because I get to choose?

          Your reasoning is unreasonable.

          • Michelle Erb

            No but you can ask me to leave your house and refuse to support me.

    • Cindy Carlson Johnson

      What about abortionist Kermit Gosnell? He’s a lovely man! Then there’s Douglas Karpen in TX who would twist the heads off babies. What pray tell do you think we should do about these sadistic human beings who give “legal” abortions that don’t involve coat hangers? What is “safe” about puncturing a woman’s uterus so that she bleeds out on a table like the young woman in Chicago? Making abortions legal doesn’t keep women safe from unsanitary conditions and sadistic/twisted abortionists if we don’t promote safety standards.

      • Felicia Holland

        Oh my god…

      • Michelle Erb

        Shutting down excellent clinics like the ones in Texas is what
        causes horrors like that to occur when poor women are desperate to find any place. Every Democratic representative in this country would join you in passing any law to stop something like the Gosnell horror.

        • http://hrh40.wordpress.com hrh40

          Really?

          Wendy Davis and her SuperPink sneakers flies in the face of your lying rhetoric.

          • Michelle Erb

            How so? She even wants to reevaluate post 20 week abortions in light of advances in viability.

        • Jen

          Please Michelle, you are reaching. You can get an abortion easily in this country and you are telling me that this horrible, unfathomable man Gosnell was able to run for years killing and maiming (both babies and mom) because of lack of abortion clinics? Come on.

          • Michelle Erb

            Wealthy women and women with insurance did not go to Gosnell. He preyed on poor black women. There are many locations where women have a very difficult time accessing abortions. The more difficult you make it, and the more you restrict women’s access to the contraception, education, and prenatal care they could get at the clinics Texas closed the more you encourage horrors like that to occur. They will just go completely underground.

            Yes a lot of people dropped the ball on the Gosnell case, but what he did was illegal that is why he is in prison. No one is campaigning on his behalf.

    • Linda

      I would be willing to bet that the slaughter houses kill more babies in one week than ever were killed in a year by a coat hanger.

      • Felicia Holland

        Slaughter houses, haha. You’d be amazed at how many illegal abortions people receive due to people like you shaming them and trying to control their bodies…

        • Cindy Carlson Johnson

          Really Felicia? Where do they go for these “illegal” abortions?? A baby ALWAYS dies from an abortion…ALWAYS! Thus the word slaughterhouse and if you don’t think dismembering a baby, burning it with saline or piercing it’s skull & sucking out it’s brain isn’t slaughter than you need to get a dictionary.

        • Jimmy G. Linkous

          I do believe it is shameful to commit murder! They should feel ashamed!

  • Michelle Erb

    The Bible does not support the claim that “life begins at conception” http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/19/1285933/-Bible-Life-Begins-at-Breath-Not-Conception. So stop taking healthcare from actual living persons to advance your agenda. The death toll in Texas is rising quickly now that they have closed so many health clinics, but the abortion rate has not gone down

    • Linda

      The Bible DOES SUPPORT THAT LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION. READ IT FOR YOURSELF and you may learn something. Are you smart enough to look it up in the Bible or do you just take the dailykos word for it?

      • Michelle Erb

        Actually Linda, I know this is so from over 40 years of Bible study. I quoted this article because it is a great source for those of you who are ignorant. Here are links showing that I discussed the matter previously: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bristolpalin/2014/01/her-mom-aborted-one-baby-not-realizing-she-had-twins/; http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bristolpalin/2014/02/abortion-kills-black-and-hispanic-babies/:

        “Michelle Erb 2 months ago
        Maybe someone could explain why Christians emphasize abortion and homosexuality over issues Christ is actually alleged to have discussed? While the Old Testament does urge the Jews to be “fruitful,” it also associates “life” with the ability to draw breath and sets out a law that if a pregnant woman is attacked and the fetus is lost “but there is no harm” then it is not murder. Why would anyone think that an allegedly loving and all knowing god would place a soul in a fetus that was never going to become a person?”

        “What I was trying to explain is that before modern day evangelicals came along, no one used the Bible to try to to delude themselves that embryos are people. When it comes down to a choice between the health of the mother and a fetus, Judaism has no dilemma. The mother always comes first, because the fetus does not have a soul. Judaism values souls and actual living people.”

        “Michelle Erb 2 months ago

        Where in the scripture does it say life begins at conception?

        Denise Hintz Wolfgram 2 months ago

        Psalm 139: 16, “Your eyes saw my unformed body, all the days
        ordained for me were written in your book before they came to
        be.”Jeremiah 1:5, before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.” and Luke 1: 41-44 talks about John the Baptist leaping in his mother’s womb acknowledging that the unborn baby in Mary’s womb was the Savior. The verse that has always spoken to me was Proverbs 31:8. Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are
        destitute.” You could say its a “both/and ” verse.

        Michelle Erb 2 months ago

        Jeremiah suggests the idea that the soul exists before conception ever occurs. So why would you think your “god” would put a soul in a zygote that was never going to be born? Do you think when a conception occurs but implantation fails that a soul never gets to live?Why does the old testament equate life with the ability to draw “breath,” which a fetus cannot do? Why does the old testament set down a a law that if a woman is attacked and loses the pregnancy but she is not “harmed” than it is not murder?”

        Linda, I will await your apology.

    • Cindy Carlson Johnson

      They’ve closed abortion clinics.

      • Michelle Erb

        The majority of the clinics that were closed because of those deranged laws provided healthcare far more than abortions. Some did not even have an abortion component.

        Women are already dying and the unplanned pregnancy rate has soared. Now women are administering abortion pills at home and going to Mexico. You people are causing more abortions you have just made them unsafe. You are also causing women to die of cancer, hypertension and other causes. Congratulations on being so pro-life!

        • Michelle Erb

          This study came out when they had only defunded clinics. Now that they have closed them things are much worse:
          About a year after Texas slashed its family-planning budget by two-thirds, with 50 clinics shutting down as a result, the Texas Policy Evaluation Project surveyed
          300 pregnant women seeking an abortion in Texas. Nearly half said they were “unable to access the birth control that they wanted to use” in thet hree months before they became pregnant. Among the reasons: cost, lack
          of insurance, inability to find a clinic, and inability get a
          prescription. The state’s health commission says Texas will see nearly 24,000 unplanned births between 2014 and 2015 thanks to these cuts, raising state and federal taxpayer’s Medicaid costs by up to $273 million.

          Nearly half of the women said they couldn’t access birth control in the three months before they got pregnant.

          In a state where half of all pregnancies were unplanned in 2011, and 1 in 3 women of childbearing age lacks health insurance, this is only going to get worse.

          The Planned Parenthood clinics that anti-choice legislators booted from the state’s Women’s Health Program serviced nearly 50 percentof the program’s patients. Along with contraceptive counseling, the
          clinics provided basic screenings for cancer, hypertension, and other key problems. There’s no shortage of need: women in Texas suffer high rates of STIs andunintended pregnancies compared to national figures, and the state ranks 50th for diabetes prevalence in women. Nonetheless, Republican lawmakers went after the clinics in 2011, thanks to their long-standing beef with the organization, and forfeited tens of millions in Medicaid
          reimbursements to the Women’s Health Program so they could defund Planned Parenthood clinics without breaking any federal rules governing how states have to spend Medicaid money.

    • http://hrh40.wordpress.com hrh40

      Dailykos??????

      Oh OK, now I know with whom I’m typing.

      Done now.

      • Michelle Erb

        Unfortunately Daily Kos is one of the few places where you can find well reasoned articles with references to back them up. Are you afraid to read it?

        • Jen

          As I said above, the Daily Kos is a liberal rag. It is not an unbiased, fact based resource.

          • Michelle Erb

            You need an “unbiased fact based resource” to discuss the Bible? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds? I wish y’all applied that same reasoning to what can be taught in our schools.

            I have studied the Bible for forty years, it does not support the position that life begins at conception. I like that article because it consolidates points from many places.

            But if you are afraid to read it, it does not change the fact that the claim that embryos are people is not bibilically based.

          • Mike Keefe

            Never try to confront a conservatard or religinut with any opinion that varies from their own. They will refute it’s value and authenticity on pure belief alone. These folks aren’t the greatest thinkers considering their religion requires little to no thought and total authoritarian submission.

            The irony does not befall Jen or hrh40 one bit. They consider DailyKos to be an unreliable source, a blog, but yet they’re reading this blog and Palin’s tripe as hard fact.

            Irony.

  • Tred

    Abortion enthusiasts???? Pro choicers are not “enthusiastic” about abortion. They ARE enthusiastic about woman who choose abortion having access to safe abortion. There is a difference there. But you knew that……

    • Felicia Holland

      These people are Imbeciles and you and I are baby killers. This isn’t even a real article.

    • geo

      Any more than supporters of rights under the Second Amendment are “gun nuts”?
      Sorry, cherub, but you can’t play the bully one day, and the victim the next. You lose all credibility.

      • Tred

        Why say “gun nuts”? The equivalent you should have used would be “killing enthusiasts”. In which case I would say the same thing. They are not. What they are is ” gun enthusiasts”. Get it?probably not…..

  • Nakinyah

    There’s no empowerment in killing the unborn.

  • Nakinyah

    Bristol, please keep doing what you are doing. I used to be pro choice when I was younger. So glad I woke up. So glad!

  • Elmer G. Young

    If baby is a lifeless or deformed… I will understand why women have to do it… If baby is a 100% healthy and nothing wrong… Murderers who decide to do it, period! Players and hookers need to stop sex like damn animals everyday!

    • Michelle Erb

      You really think the people seeking abortions are “players and hookers”? Players and hookers know how to get birth control and use it. The picture of those seeking abortions is very different from what a reader of Bristol’s blogs might think. The race that has the largest percentage of abortions is Caucasians, many of whom are religious, and are already raising children:

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/15/1285083/-Everything-You-Wanted-To-Know-About-Abortion-But-Where-Afraid-To-Ask

      • Jen

        Gosh, the Daily Kos is such an unbiased site, glad you are recommending stories from totally un-liberal sites. Totally legit.

        • Michelle Erb

          I used that article since it consolidated everything so well. But it quotes directly from the source. Do you dispute any of the facts and statistics? if you want to break it down fact by fact and go to the original source I would be happy to go there with you.

          Or do you just attack the messenger because you cannot deal with the message?

      • Elmer G. Young

        Wow, you’re racist for accusing me being white and religious… Guess what? you are wrong one thing about me. I’m not religious… I’m just law-abiding citizen who wanted to make our Country a better place. You wanted our government give every women free birth controls so they can have sex everyday? I guess you’re one of them, aren’t you? How many men did you slept with? Unbelievable, you must be special kind of idiot like Obama and Mr. Bean!

        • Michelle Erb

          When did I say you were white and religious?

          You must be listening to Rush Limbaugh if you think people who have more sex need to take more contraceptives. Women take one pill each day that is how it works. It is the same for promiscuous women as it is for virgins who take them to regulate their period.

  • Linda

    Have any of you baby killers ever heard of Margaret Sanger ? Did you know she started planned parenthood in order to eliminate the black race? Did you know that the Democrat party was once connected to the KKK? Ever heard of Robert Byrd who was a prominent Democrat who was once a big shot in the KKK? Think for your selves , Don’t take my word or anyone else, research it for yourself.

    • Jack Dett

      The first political group in United States to recognize black Americans as equal citizens was the American Communist Party. The raciest southern democrats turned into Republicans, Nixon famously worked to reorder the electoral map with his “Southern Strategy”. The KKK is of course an extreme Christian organization.

    • Tred

      Actually Linda, you are taking the word of people who have twisted Sangers intent and taken her words out of context. Instead of taking their word for it, do your own primary research. There is a group of scholars at NYU doing just that called the Margaret Sanger Papers Project. I invite you to look it up and stop spreading Prolife propaganda.

    • Michelle Erb

      So we should not have welcomed Robert Byrd after he did a 180 degree turn? He was unredeemed and should be shamed for life? Doesn’t sound very “Christian”

      • geo

        It sounds exactly how your type treats those with whom you disagree.
        Please, you fool no one with your sanctimony.

    • Michelle Erb

      Not sure why you think Margaret Sanger has anything to do with the planned parenthood of today or why you choose to go back to what a dead man did a century ago, before he totally turned his life around.. Sad that the Republican party bases all of its arguments on ancient history.

      However, Margaret Sanger was NOT a racist. The opposite is true. The so called “proof” comes from a letter that she wrote to a black minister where she was stating that she did not want people to get the wrong impression and think they were targeting blacks, because she recognized that impoverished blacks needed services at a higher rate.

      As a product of her time, she did believe in a form of eugenics, but it was NOT about race. Back then mentally disabled people were a matter of shame and were treated horribly. Families lied about having disabled children and sent them away to live wretched lives in sanatoriums.

      In light of that time, she believed in voluntary sterilization of the
      disabled, so that they would not pass on a gene and the misery that
      came with it. She did adamantly oppose the way eugenics were applied by others.

      Her main mission was to give woman control of their own lives in a time when pregnancy after pregnancy kept them trapped in poverty and abusive marriages.

      As always the goal of planned parenthood has been contraception and education first and foremost with abortion as a backup.

      • Section 9

        Oh, bollocks. Margaret Sanger was a white supremacist who developed friendships with prominent members of the German National Socialist Party in the 1930’s. Like other liberals who came out of the Eugenics hothouse, she was a passionate believer in the development of a Master Race. Naturally, like other members of the Eugenics crowd, she wanted the weaker members of the breed weeded out.

        Naturally, her German friends became an embarrassment at some point and the abortion industry has tried to sanitize her past, but it is what it is.

        The odd thing about abortion-on-demand is that it was aimed at poor black women in an effort to control the black population. That was always the hidden agenda. However, something happened on the way to the creation of the Progressives’ Radiant Future: white Protestant women started having abortions, too. They were the backbone of what was once the Roosevelt coalition, and they started killing themselves off. Conservatives called this the “Roe Effect”.

        The only people having multiple-child families in this country are Evangelicals, Old Believer Catholics, Orthodox Jews, and Muslims. Despite the destruction that abortion has wrought in the black community, the black population has remained stable. This is the reason why the Democratic Party has been desperate to open the floodgates and let in half of northern Mexico: the Ruling Class recognizes its existential crisis.

        The same thing happened in the Soviet Union after the Great Patriotic War (WWII to us Westerners). The Wehrmacht killed up to 25 million Russians and created a demographic hole in the Great Russian population. The Soviet State in the postwar period, because they were Communist, kept up the policy of allowing abortions, and never rebuilt the population. To this day, the Russian population still reflects the population loss of the German invasion.

        • Michelle Erb

          Do you just repeat what you hear from white supremacists or do you make this stuff up yourself? If it is coming from voices inside your head, there is medical help available. Please seek it out.

          • Tammy

            I was just thinking the SAME thing about you. But I was going to leave it alone until you opened your big mouth. I can say that because I used to be just like you – get help.

        • Mike Keefe

          I love it that in your ham-fisted attempt to smear Liberals you’ve conflated modern liberalism with Nazism ala “National Socialist German Worker’s Party.” Liberalism back in those days, i.e. Classical Liberalism, was actually a right-wing ideology more akin to today’s modern Libertarian. One look into Naziism, aka fascism, and you would see why it’s called a radical right-wing ideology, because it takes a little from the Left and a whole heaping spoonful from the Right. In fascism, the state is supreme and provides for its citizenry but not in the way left-wing socialism does. The state does not take control of private property or means of production as in socialism. It just becomes a nurturing mother all her people can look up to.

          Margaret Sanger was a socialist, an authoritarian. She would be the polar opposite of today’s modern Liberal. This is probably why she connected so well with the Nazi’s and their own brand of authoritarianism, fascism.

          Since we’re talking about the Nazi’s you should open a book, try Mein Kampf. It’s pretty clear the disdain for the Left in general Hitler had, the Marxists, the Socialists, the homosexuals, the blacks, all he saw as causes for the decline of the German Empire. Since leftist ideology touts sameness and equality for all, there is no racism in communism, and right-wing ideology sees no need for equality, racial or otherwise, what does that make Hitler and the Nazi’s?

          The WASP’s don’t vote Democrat or liberal today. They are the backbone of the Tea Party and its goal of Christian Dominionism.

          Try again young Conservative.

    • Michelle Erb

      More propaganda. But there is nothing the Palin fans will not twist to try and make a point.

      Yesterday Sarah actually tried to claim that the white house pastry chef quit because of Michelle Obama’s healthy eating campaign. When the truth is that he quit to expand on her campaign because he is so inspired by her. Even Glen Beck and the Christian Science Monitor called out Palin for her propaganda. But her fans keep buying every piece of BS she spreads.

      http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Buzz/2014/0319/No-White-House-pastry-chef-didn-t-quit-because-Michelle-Obama-is-anti-cream-video
      http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03/19/how-a-pastry-chefs-resignation-became-the-first/198526

      Nothing is too petty for Palin to lie about if she thinks she can attack someone better than herself.

    • Mike Keefe

      What Linda is doing here is typical right-wing “logic.” She’s confusing party affiliation with ideology. The KKK were formed by Southern, Confederate, CHRISTIAN, conservatives. You can even read this is in a book if you know where to find one.

      Who are the Southern, neo-Confederate (limited government), Christian, conservatives today? THE TEA PARTY!

      Research? You use that word yet I don’t think you know what it means.

  • Cindy Carlson Johnson

    Being pro-abortion means you have to support it at any time, for any reason, and in any form. You can’t pick and choose because then you don’t truly support a woman’s “right to choose” and that’s what it’s all about isn’t it?

  • Jack Dett

    Those deranged psychopaths that do gun down medical professionals from time to time as far as I can see make a cogent argument based on your point of view that they are saving lives when an abortion doctor is killed. Pro lifers remind me of G.K. Chesterton who said ” The mad man is one who has lost everything except his reason.”

    • Cindy Carlson Johnson

      So how many abortion Dr’s have been killed compared to women? I’m betting women who have died or been maimed at the hands of an abortionist are higher.

  • ttravline

    I find this extremely disturbing and disgusting! Everyone has a right to believe what they want, but I think this takes it to far! Go to Washington D.C on January 22, 2015 when they have the March for life and then tell me this is okay. If people saw picures and hear the stories I and my friends heard, it might change your mind.

  • Nycki Murray

    The following link is the real story, not a story made up to make the D.C. Abortion Fund look bad. After reading this article I understand the reasoning behind offering these necklaces. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/19/dc-abortion-fund-thanks-donors-coat-hanger-pendant/

  • BlackJack Charles

    Shut the fuck up.

  • J.T. Budge

    I’m shocked that Bristol doesn’t get the symbolism. Wait, no I’m not.

  • J.T. Budge

    Doesn’t a gun represent death? Why is your mother holding death in her hands to promote her new show. Also, why did your mother chastise Obama for being a celebrity, yet she continues to milk her 15 minutes? Shame…SHAME!! DISGUSTING!!

  • mainesense

    This post and Ms. Palin’s comment are an illustration of what can happen when someone has no grounding in historical fact. Not that long ago when abortion was illegal in the United States, women truly did sometimes attempt to end an unwanted pregnancy by using a coat hanger or some other abortifacent. Ms. Palin is entitled to her opinion about abortion but she should also be obligated to get her facts straight. No one is an abortion enthusiast. No one is celebrating abortion by wearing such a necklace. The point is that abortion needs to remain safe, legal, and available in the United States.

    • BillBissenas

      ^Sad.

    • Richard Smit

      ther is nothing wrong about her opinion on abortion!!

    • Marcia Mowery Rzad

      Safe for who? What about the safety of the other person in the woman’s body? Abortion is certainly not safe for the life of that person as that person dies. Abortionists seem to forget it’s NOT just about the pregnant mother and her safety, another life with a whole separate set of DNA is murdered during an abortion. Did you know that in order to protect and preserve the woman’s cervix so she can have a baby later at her own convenience, the abortionist rips off the baby’s head, arms and legs first to make sure the human baby is in pieces to get the baby past the woman’s cervix without damage to her? The woman isn’t damaged, but the baby is butchered. Sad, sad indeed.

      • Michelle Erb

        Most abortions these days are done with a pill or a suction method, the fetus is way too small for anyone to be cutting off parts.

        While I am not sure about your description. You are clearly talking about late term abortions which occur to save a woman’s health or because a fetus has a horrible prognosis that will cause it to suffer and ultimately die. Are you against abortion in those circumstances?

        • Marcia Mowery Rzad

          I have trained at and volunteer at Carenet Pregnancy Resource Center. Suction still rips the baby apart to keep the cervix intact. It’s a far, far more powerful suction than your home vacuum cleaner.

          • Michelle Erb

            Oh you mean a fraudulent “crisis pregnancy center” where they pretend to be healthcare centers, and then bully women and lie to them by telling them contraception do not work and abortion will make them sterile?

            Planned parenthood honestly tells women all of their options and gives them resources to support whatever choice they make. Why do you need to lie and deceive?

            So you admit they use suction and do not cut off parts. I certainly hope the suction is more powerful than a vacuum cleaner. That is why it is safe and simple.

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            I cannot speak for any Crisis Pregnancy Center other than Carenet and Carenet does not pretend to be heathcare doctors when they are not. They have licensed ultrasound technicians and professional OBGYN’s that they have on the board of directors and professional counselors that will volunteer their time, but the people like me who have trained to be compassionate, and loving Carestaff (We do not call ourselves professional counselors) have been trained to refer the pregnant mother’s who choose life for their baby to services that can help them safely deliver the baby (OBGYN Clinics that have Doctor’s with hospital privileges) and adopt it out of they choose to do that rather than keeping their baby after all. We never abandon them in their journey as we are with them through their choice all the way until the birth of their baby and beyond. (Often times these women are supported financially by the pro-life community who raise money to help them through this tough time in their life, like my church does.) The women are welcome to come through our doors at Carenet ANYTIME they want to even after they have had their babies. (or even if they have chosen to abort after all and need some loving, non-judgmental, compassionate prayer and support.) Addressing your comments about the different ways that an abortionist can perform an abortion, it does depend on how far along the mother is and what the particular clinic does/practices. The baby can be killed via an intrcardiac injection prior to being removed. The baby is dismembered in utero prior to removal of fetal parts using forceps, curette and vacuum aspiration. There is still risk to injury of the cervix using the vacuum method however. The baby usually always has to be dismembered unless it is very, very early in the pregnancy and even then, the baby does not always come out whole. :( Either way, the baby is being murdered whether via either medication, vacuum or with forceps or all of the mentioned. That baby is not safe and it’s all for the safety and selfishness of the mother instead of the baby. Planned Parenthood has been known to be the liars and deceivers. (Not pregnancy resource centers who lovingly speak truth and facts to them and even offer to pray with you if a client allows them to.) PP has even been caught on video in a stings lying. I’m so sorry that you have been so deceived by Planned Parenthood and their lies. I will pray for your eyes to be opened. Aren’t you glad that your mother chose life? PS. Abortion CAN make you sterile in a sense because there can be so much damage (scarring) done to your cervix in abortions that you will not be able to have a full term viable pregnancy in the future without miscarriage. That is why the abortion clinics try so hard to preserve the cervix of the mother by dismembering the baby to pass the baby passed the cervix without damaging it. I’ve never, ever heard or seen of any woman being bullied at a pregnancy resource center, but I’ve SEEN ON VIDEO Planned Parenthood bullying their clients. I’ve heard story after story of how cold and uncomapassionate they are unlike the warm, loving and welcoming pregnancy resource centers like Carenet. If anyone knows about that, that would be Abby Johnson, who used to be a Director at Planned Parenthood and turned Pro-life advocate. http://www.westernjournalism.com/margaret-sangers-mission-accomplished/

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            What Planned Parenthood does to their clients. I’ve never heard of any woman dying at a pro-life pregnancy resource center like Carenet have you? http://www.lifenews.com/2014/02/07/planned-parenthood-pays-2-million-settlement-after-killing-black-teen-in-abortion/

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            Here is the local Carenet near me in Houston. Carenet is all over so just find one near you if you are facing an unplanned pregnancy and you are scared. http://www.carenetnw.com/ There is no condemnation for you at Carenet. You make the choice you want to. We only provide you with the resources to help you should you make the choice to choose life for your baby. Blessings, love and grace to all.

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            I also didn’t see your original question Michelle. I am against abortion completely in all cases (rape, incest, and even if it would endanger the mother.) IF I was to personally even remotely consider abortion, endangerment of the life of the mother (myself) “might” be the only reason I could even fathom having an abortion, but I also believe in God’s supernatural power and in His miracles. Nothing is impossible for God if it is in His will. Knowing that, I probably STILL WOULD NEVER HAVE AN ABORTION. There have been many documented cases where brave mother’s knew they would die to give birth/life to their baby, but they selflessly did anyway. Would you be willing to selflessly make that decision to let your baby live instead of you? I know that many times Planned Parenthood has told their clients that their babies weren’t “viable” just because they had Down’s Syndrome or some other kind of birth defect, but that is an unacceptable reason to take the life of a baby. Those babies are just as much a person as any other person and deserve to live. There are many people who are not selfish people, such as Sarah Palin, who are more than happy to raise their child with Down’s Syndrome or other birth defects. It’s selfish to kill a baby just because they have a birth defect. God loves us all, no matter in what way we are formed and we all deserve to live.

          • Michelle Erb

            I commend your honestly that you would let a woman die rather than having a life saving abortions. Do you also wait for “god” when you need other kinds of surgery? Who are you to impose such extreme beliefs on everyone?

            Why would “god” put a soul in a fetus that was never going to live? Wouldn’t he find some way to prevent an abortion if the fetus was meant to become a person?

            Did you know that the majority of time conception occurs, implantation fails for natural reasons? Do you believe they all had souls but never got to live?

            If this is so important to god then why was abortion never forbidden in the Bible or even allegedly brought up by Jesus.. Abortions did occur back then.

            I strongly encourage you to read this article. It is well researched and based on the Bible and might surprise you. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/19/1285933/-Bible-Life-Begins-at-Breath-Not-Conception

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            For issues where Jesus didn’t specifically say something about a certain subject, He certainly upheld the commandment of thou shall not murder and even added thou shall love thy neighbor like thyself. Who is thy neighbor? Your neighbor is anyone, no matter how big or small, other than yourself. Shall we love our neighbor by killing it, our own baby? No, Jesus would not condone killing thy neighbor would he? By the way, I study the bible consistently and have for years as I am a Christian. :) I would actually strongly encourage you to read the bible and open your eyes to what God says about murder and loving your neighbor. Yes, I believe that babies have a soul the minute of conception before even implantation. A woman wanting an abortion is imposing THEIR selfish desire to kill their baby for their own selfish reasons. Where’s the baby’s choice to get to live? Death is selfishly imposed on the baby by the mother. :( By the way, I conceived a baby this past fall and my baby (another life with a soul and separate DNA) did naturally die in a miscarriage this Christmas even after implantation. Life does begin at conception and that is a scientific fact. My baby was a miracle as I had been trying to have a baby for over a year. My baby was a baby with a soul and not just because I wanted that baby, but because scientifically it was another life created by God through the union of my husband and myself. A baby that isn’t wanted, is STILL a baby with a soul and it’s own DNA. I will see my baby in Heaven one day when I die. God had a plan and His plan was to have my baby be with Him because naturally my baby was not going to be able to survive within me to a full term pregnancy probably because there was something wrong with my baby. Babies who have a birth defect, have the right to live if they are not naturally miscarried and to not be killed via an abortion. By the way, yes I do have faith and trust in God to provide healing, but God did provide mankind the intelligence to provide life saving surgery when needed, but abortion is NOT a life saving surgery, it is a death procedure and not surgery unless there is tearing done during the procedure needing surgery repair.

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            Oh and to the other person who said your Cervix is scraped, it is not, unless it is by accident. It is protected as much as possible, to be able to have children in the future. It is the lining of the uterus that is scraped with a curette during an abortion to remove all the tissue after the baby has been dismembered and removed in case there are still parts of the baby left inside the woman’s uterus along with the placenta tissue.

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            The Bible (God’s holy inspired Word) says that life begins in the womb of the mother at conception. God says it AND it’s a scientific fact as well.

            Psalm 139:13-16

            For you created my inmost being;
            you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
            I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
            your works are wonderful,
            I know that full well.
            My frame was not hidden from you
            when I was made in the secret place,
            when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
            Your eyes saw my unformed body;
            all the days ordained for me were written in your book
            before one of them came to be.

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            I will continue to pray for you Michelle to have your eyes opened. I don’t know if you are a post abortive woman or not, or if abortion has affected you or anyone in your family or friends, but there is forgiveness for it. There is forgiveness for the taking of another person’s life (murder) through Jesus Christ.

            1 John 1:9

            If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

            I cannot stay on here and type messages all day as it is my son’s Spring Break and he is home and I need to go do things with him. I just needed to speak up for those innocent that cannot speak for themselves (the babies) and speak truth. I have no reason to lie about anything and I want other people to know the truth. Darkness cannot live in light and I am bringing to light the lies of Planned Parenthood. You of course have the choice to deny it and believe their lies or not. I wish you all the best in life. Blessings, love and grace.

          • Michelle Erb

            Oh you “know” that planned parenthood has told people Down syndrome makes a pregnancy nonviable? Based on what!? Down syndrome is not diagnosed at planned parenthood and planned parenthood does not encourage abortions, they give women options.

            But it felt right to you so you said it. Perfect Palin fan.

          • Jen

            Why are you on here if you aren’t a ‘Palin fan’. You need to get a life rather than trolling on a site of a women you supposedly hate.

          • Michelle Erb

            I am here because Bristol has been spreading dangerous hateful propaganda. When I see that kind of thing I challenge it. It is how I live the idea of “Never again.”

            When Bristol stops posting all those race baiting and false christian victimization blogs and goes back to just making stupid jabs at our first family and sharing her kid’s pictures I will gladly leave.

            I do not hate Bristol. She is young and under the influence of a narcissistic grifter mother. I hope (like Robert Byrd) that she matures and turns her life around. Right now she is on an ugly dangerous path. .

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            I told you that I have trained at Carenet. There have been clients that have come into Carenet and told about their experiences at Planned Parenthood. So that is what my comment is based on. What, am I to say that those clients are lying about their experiences at Planned Parenthood? Sheesh! SMH

          • Michelle Erb

            So they come to you that far along in their pregnancy after seeing their doctors and planned parenthood. You realize that a down syndrome diagnosis comes fairly late in a pregnancy and only women who have excellent prenatal care would get one. And it comes along with thorough counseling. So why would they go to planned parenthood at that point, and then come to you?

            Seriously? You thought it sounded good so you made it up, or one of the liars you work with did. Why would planned parenthood say that? A woman who has had a down syndrome diagnosis knows if the pregnancy is viable. Unlike your facility, planned parenthood has no motive to lie to women.

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            My last post, I promise as I HAVE to get my son some lunch now. Planned Parenthood’s motive to lie is its bottom line, money. If they lie about the facts and a woman chooses abortion, they get their money. They are in it for the money. Pro-life Pregnancy Resource Centers such as Carenet are Non-profit and charitable organizations and they have NO MOTIVE or reason to lie to their clients. Anyway, I promise you I would never make any of this up. What motive would I have to make that up and lie? I am not in this for any money. I’m in this for saving the life of a baby that deserves to get to live. I am a person of integrity and I don’t lie. By the way, you CAN find out, through modern medicine now, VERY early if your baby is a boy or a girl and/or if your baby will have a birth defect. (I was about to find out if I was having a boy or a girl via blood testing before I miscarried this past December.) You do not have to wait until later in the pregnancy anymore for a diagnosis. Many women go to Planned Parenthood to secretly have their abortion done when they find out that they will be having a baby with a birth defect. (or to hide the fact that they are pregnant) A person who goes for an abortion at Planned Parenthood is NOT always an impoverished person. There are people from all walks of life that go for abortions. There are people within the church that will go for an abortion to avoid the shame that unfortunately they might feel from being a Christian and pregnant outside of marriage if they are very involved in a church such as a pastor’s daughter. (or a person on the the church staff who had an affair and got pregnant and it would make the church look bad.) Don’t assume that just because someone goes for an abortion at Planned Parenthood that they are all impoverished people. Many well off people go for abortions at Planned Parenthood to avoid their real OBGYN for various reasons. We see many of those kinds of clients too who decide in the end to NOT have an abortion after all (Especially after seeing their baby on the FREE ultrasound on the large screen TV that we offer at Carenet and hearing their baby’s heartbeat) There are many scenarios of women facing unplanned pregnancy and they don’t all have to be women who cannot afford to have a baby or have an abortion. End of my LAST post. Have a great rest of your day. :) PS. I would never say anything just because it felt good to say it! LOL! SMH

          • Michelle Erb

            I apologize if I inferred or even said that you personally were lying. I am sure you believe in your cause. But your centers do lie. Bristol has even spread some of their ridiculous propaganda such as the “twin abortion” and “botched” abortion. People have the workers on tape saying contraception is dangerous and abortions cause sterilization. They mislead women into thinking they are going to actual healthcare facilities and the workers often say and do whatever they think it takes to try and prevent abortion. Women have described feeling that they were being held prisoner in the facilities.
            They also push adoption on women instead of pointing them to resources that could help them keep their own babies. The kind of resources that planned parenthood will send them too. People are making a ton of money off of “christian” adoptions.
            Planned parenthood is a non-profit and abortion is only 3% of what they do. If someone goes to planned parenthood after a down syndrome diagnosis they are there because they want an abortion not a viability diagnosis. So what you said just didn’t make sense, even though you probably do believe it.

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            Thank you for your apology. I also would never volunteer my time for and with an organization who lies to their clients, so my volunteering at Carenet says a lot for that organizations integrity as well. Yes I very much do believe in my cause because it is a cause that we are commanded by The Lord to love thy neighbor and by loving thy neighbor that means protecting their life. (even if it could mean loosing mine.) John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

            My cause is a selfless cause and one that is condoned by God Himself. Abortion/murder cannot be condoned by God. My cause is a righteous cause. The cause of the pro-aborts is a selfish cause to want to be able to continue to legally have an abortion. Just because it is made legal, does not make it right in the eyes of God. It is my hope to open the eyes of those who support abortion who think abortion is just another simple “medical procedure” to get rid of an inconvenient unplanned pregnancy, who they would like to believe is not even a human until it breathes first and convince them that they are actually killing another human being with a soul if they follow through with an abortion. One day every person will have to answer to God for the poor choices they made in life against God. (whether they believe in Him or not, He believes in you because He created you!) The only saving grace anyone has when facing God is accepting Jesus as the One who took your place and died to give you eternal life if you choose to submit your life to living it for Him. Jesus is the only way to be with God in Heaven. John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

            As for botched abortion from Planned Parenthood and other clinics like them, just Google those words and you will see that that information is true and factual. Unfortunately there are countless documented stories of that having happened at Planned Parenthood and other clinics like them. You can also go to lifenews.com or lifesitenews.com and you can read many of those stories. For a gruesome example, just Google Kermit Gosnell. No, Kermit wasn’t working for Planned Parenthood, but there have been many botched abortions that have happened at Planned Parenthood too. (Several causing the death of the mother too.) Some of these babies have been tortured and yet still born alive and then NOT SAVED if the abortionist or their staff see that the baby is dying! How cold and heartless! They also don’t try to revive the baby if it is born alive but dies shortly after birth! Here is a link to many of the outrageous things Planned Parenthood has done, including Planned Parenthood lobbyist Alisa LaPolt Snow who lobbied against extending protections to children who are born alive after failed abortions, saying “any decision that’s made should be left up to the woman, the family, and the physician.” I mean, WHAT ABOUT THE BABY?!? Abortionist, Dr. Laura Mercer (NOT a Planned Parenthood Dr. but an abortionist at “Family Planning Associates Medical Group in Phoenix, Arizona”) also admits, in the same video that PP lobbyist Alisa LaPolt Snow is in, to a client who was working undercover as a client, to NOT reviving a baby if it does die after being born alive AFTER a botched abortion. (see #1 video at the bottom of the article.) http://www.personhoodusa.com/blog/8-outrageous-things-planned-parenthood-was-caught-doing/ Planned Parenthood and clinics like them, are all about making sure the baby dies to get their money from the client for the abortion. They are not interested in saving the life of the baby EVEN IF IT IS BORN ALIVE AFTER ENDURING AND SURVIVING A BUTCHERING ABORTION.

            Many of these women are and have been called a cab to come and pick them up if they have a medical emergency arise during the procedure of the abortion if they drove themselves there and didn’t have someone else drive them or if they and their partner took the city bus there to the clinic because these PP clinics don’t have abortionists with hospital practicing privileges and they have to send their “botched abortion” client with medical complications to the hospital to deal with the complications that have arose. Why would any woman WANT to go to a clinic who has a doctor that does not have hospital privileges? I know that I wouldn’t! Texas just passed a law that made it so that these abortion clinic’s abortionists must have hospital privileges. This is to PROTECT the woman. Many abortion clinics have closed and/or are closing because they are not willing to meet the new law requirements of having a abortionist medical doctor that has hospital privileges. If they don’t meet the requirement of the law, they cannot conduct business and if they don’t conduct business getting women to get an abortion, then they can’t afford to keep that clinic in operation because there isn’t the funds/money from the real money maker (abortions).

            As for contraception causing dangers to your health, there ARE certain types of contraception that are more dangerous to your health than others. IUD’s for example increase your risk at developing Pelvic Inflammatory Disease. (PID) PID, according to the CDC, (Center’s for Disease Control) causes 1 in 8 women to have difficulties getting pregnant again. (causing many women to become sterile) so saying that is also true and factual. That is A LOT of women’s fertility effected by the use of an IUD. IUD’s are also not a true contraceptive and they are actually considered an Abortifacient. (The key to a true contraceptive is whether it taken or used before ovulation (when it acts as a true contraceptive) or AFTER ovulation to prevent implantation.) The IUD prevents the fertilized egg (life that has already happened at conception) from implanting into the uterus. A true contraceptive actually prevents the sperm from fertilizing the egg and forming a new life (conception)

            It is true and not a lie that abortions CAN cause sterilization. There can be so much scarring (Asherman’s Syndrome) that occurs when the uterus is scraped during an abortion that a woman is not able to implant a fertilized egg later when she does want to conceive. (or if a woman has had multiple abortions) It is also possible that the cervix will have been so compromised during an abortion (lacerated during an abortion or compromised from multiple abortions) that a woman may never be able to bring a baby to full term and will always have a miscarriage if her fertilized egg does implant in her uterus. The general consensus of the effects of an abortion on fertility is that they are NOT healthy for a woman’s body and they are DEFINITELY NOT healthy for the baby who dies in an abortion. You risk not being able to conceive again later when you do want to.

            As for Carenet, we do not EVER say that we are an actual healthcare facility. (In fact, we are TRAINED to make sure we do NOT infer that we are a professional heathcare clinic) This is why those of us who volunteer our time to talk with the clients when they come in to our clinic are not called counselors, but called are Carestaff. We do however, have professionals that volunteer their time at our clinics who have their own practices such as an OBGYN who is on the board of directors of Carenet at our facility in NWHouston (who happened to also be my personal OBGYN when I was pregnant this past winter.) We have actual ultrasound technicians that offer their services free at our clinic. (We have a professional psychologist that volunteers her professional services for free through her own business, but Carenet is not actually a professional medical healthcare clinic and do not claim to be. We are there and exist to provide the women who find themselves in an unplanned pregnancy their options other than abortion and to pray for and with them AFTER asking their permission if we can pray for them. We ALWAYS ask their permission first. (at least that is how we were trained if anyone has ever done differently, that is NOT how we are trained.) We DON’T force adoption on them, but we do provide them with the materials of the adoption agencies that are willing to adopt their child out to loving parents who may not be able to conceive a baby who are desperately wanting one. (The adoption agency we work with at our Carenet offers open adoption so the birth mother can be a part of her child’s life is she wishes to be.) We ALWAYS respect a woman’s choice to want to raise the baby themselves and provide all avenues possible to her and for her to make that possible if that is what she is wanting to do. NO ONE is EVER held at our clinics against their will and the door is always open to a woman to leave when they want and come back ANYTIME even if she chose to abort her baby after all. (Again, if anyone has ever tried to keep a client “prisoner” as you say, that is NOT how we are trained at all at Carenet.) If a woman chose to have an abortion after all, but she comes back to our clinic, we have volunteers who talk with post-abortive women who are also called carestaff (not professional counselors) that volunteer their time to help a post abortive woman deal with the many emotions having an abortion causes. (such as guilt, shame, depression, regret and grief.) Should a woman want to see a professional counselor, like I said, we have a professional psychologist outside of Carenet that offers her services for free to the post abortive woman. NO adoption agency is in their line of work to make money if they are a legit adoption agency, they are in their line of work to be a part of giving women another option other than aborting/murdering their baby and giving another family a chance to raise a baby they are so desperately wanting to raise. (if there is ANY adoption agency out there that is in it for making money, they are NOT affiliated with the Carenet Pregnancy Resource Centers I can guarantee you that.) Carenet is VERY careful as to what agencies they work with. Carenet is a Christian organization that is not interested in partnering with any adoption agency or any business that is only interested in making money off of the baby or from the services that a mother would need when deciding to keep her baby. THAT would be completely selfish and Carenet is a Christian ministry that is a selfless organization not a selfish one like Planned Parenthood who only cares about their bottom dollar and not really for the woman or the baby she is pregnant with.

            Also, the claim that PP says that abortion is only 3% of what they do there is a lie. Please read: http://www.lifenews.com/2012/10/05/false-abortion-is-only-3-of-planned-parenthoods-services/

            Also, one last thing. If a woman goes to Planned Parenthood to get an abortion after a diagnosis of a baby with Down’s Syndrome (or any other birth defect) does Planned Parenthood REALLY earnestly try to lovingly give the woman ALL of their options in hopes to SAVE THE LIFE of the baby, making abortion a last resort, or do they say thing’s like “it’s understandable if you want to have an abortion if you have a Down’s Syndrome diagnosis”? I mean, at Carenet, we let our clients know the truth that ALL life is valuable to God no matter what the disability they will have. God loves his precious creation (human beings) no matter their capabilities or incompatibilities. Somehow I don’t believe that Planned Parenthood would say that to a client. Every baby has a right to life. I have MANY friends at my church who have adopted children with disabilities INCLUDING Down’s Syndrome because they know and respect the value of the sanctity of life and are willing to give love to the babies born that way when their birth mother’s had the courage to give birth to their Down’s Syndrome baby, but decided not to keep their baby for one reason or another.

            Over all, Planned Parenthood and Pregnancy Resource centers like Carenet are like night and day, very different in what their bottom line is. Pregnancy Resource Centers’ bottomline is to save the life of a precious baby and Planned Parenthood’s bottom line is to make money off of the death of a baby through their “service” of abortion. There is truth there for you in a nutshell.

          • Stephanie

            They clearly tell you what your risks are right when you enter the building.

          • Michelle Erb

            So does my dentist. Doesn’t make it a statistically significant risk. Abortion is far safer than pregnancy or childbirth. That is not a reason to have an abortion, just stating facts.

          • Stephanie

            have you had a abortion before? or child birth?

          • Michelle Erb

            Well you have already told us that you would make abortions illegal even if necessary to save the life of the mother. So I suspect you convince women to make some pretty dangerous decisions. Just because they do not die or suffer great harm at your facility does not mean you did not cause it.

          • Michelle Erb

            The organization that is giving out this necklace is actually trying to ensure that impoverished women who choose an abortion can do so when it is safe and uncomplicated and not have to wait until farther into the pregnancy. The exact opposite of what Palin is trying to portray, or your arm cutting imagery:
            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/19/dc-abortion-fund-thanks-donors-coat-hanger-pendant/

          • Bright Eyes

            The fact that you call it a “baby” shows me you don’t know anything other than talking points your faux pregnancy center tells you about abortion. It is a fetus and anybody with medical training will tell you such.

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            Well bless your heart! LOL! You are not as “Bright” as you like to imply by trying to “enlighten” me. LOL! Do you even KNOW what the definition of Fetus means? (Apparently not) Hint, it doesn’t mean “mass of tissue”. The word: fe ‘ tus (Origination-Latin) means: “An unborn offspring” or “young one” of a mammal. So when the “fetus” or “young one” or “offspring” inside a woman exists inside the womb of a woman who is a human being and pregnant, WHAT do you think that the fetus/young one/offspring of the woman will become when it’s born huh? (An elephant?!? LOL!) Duh!! I will help you out a bit, the fetus will become a human being with it’s own DNA and it’s own soul. You’re welcome. Class is over. Have a great day :) (PS. I’m sorry for coming across a tad bit sarcastic, but I really just can’t believe you tried to “school” me on what you DON’T know! LOL!)

          • Bright Eyes

            You referenced a “baby”, which it is not. It is a fetus and before that, an embryo which is when most non-medically necessary abortions occur (6 weeks to 8 weeks). Carenet should be teaching their volunteers proper terminology if they are giving out medical information to prospective patients.

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            Carenet DOES teach all of the medical terminology in our training as we have a THICK training manual to learn from in our training sessions (I will insert a photo of it.), but that does not discount that the Fertilized Egg (conception) Blastocyst, Zygote, Embryo, Fetus is ALL still a HUMAN LIFE with it’s own DNA and SOUL that is a human baby, not an animal or just a “mass of tissue” and you cannot even attempt to diminish the value of a human being just because it is small. “A person’s a person no matter how small” and EVERYONE has value as all those “terms” still form into a human baby hence the reason I use the word baby because it is still going to be a baby whether it is wanted or not. Understand? Only someone who is for abortion does not want to refer to the baby as a baby because it makes even the hardest heart feel guilty because they know they are killing human life. If you destroy and kill human life before it is born, then you are murdering a baby no matter at what point in the process of life you are doing it, conception to birth.

          • Bright Eyes

            You say you use correct medical terminology when counseling prospective patients and then use the word “soul”. Where exactly on the human body is that located?

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            Of course as a Christian, who has trained at a Christian Pro-life Ministry (Carenet), I refer to another human being as another human soul because that is what each human being has, an eternal soul. :) The following link is for your information to be educated about the human soul: http://www.gotquestions.org/human-soul.html PS. I JUST took a pregnancy test myself in-between typing to you these messages and I JUST found out that I am PREGNANT with A BABY again!!! (Not an elephant, but a BABY! LOL!) I had a miscarriage this past Christmas and now I am miraculously pregnant again! Praise The Lord!! :)

          • Bright Eyes

            Congratulations! I mean that with all sincerity.

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            Thank you! :) The line on the test was very faint as it is REALLY early, but I DID see one! :)

          • Michelle Erb

            Why do you think an embryo or fetus has a soul before it even has consciousness? Did you know that the majority of time conception occurs, implantion fails? If the soul was there that early that would mean that more souls were created that never got to live than that did?

            Why would your “god” put a soul in a fetus that was never going to breath, have a heartbeat, or a conscious thought? Doesn’t god know which will be born and which wont? Do you think embryos in petrie dishes for IVF have souls?

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            First of all, I’ve heard you refer to “your god” with a small “g” for God when God is a proper name plus He is God and deserves respect. (Because He created you because He loves you and He created everything) :) http://www.gotquestions.org/life-begin-conception.html God is also not just MY God, He is also your God too (everyone’s God!) whether you want Him to be or not. :) (He LOVES you! He loves you so much He sent His Son Jesus to die for you so that you may get to live eternally in Heaven with Him one day if you believe in His Son and what He did for you!) <3

            As far as Your questions… (Great questions!) :) God has many qualities to Him and one of those qualities is that He is Sovereign. (He rules over all of His Creation including His People, human beings.) He knows every thought in your head before you even have it! :) He is Omniscient. (All knowing or having total knowledge) http://www.gotquestions.org/God-omniscient.html God knows us PERSONALLY before we were even born (Born: breathing air out side the womb; being born) Because of His Omniscience, He knows who (a soul) will come to be in existence at all through conception and who will come to be in existence through conception AND living on earth as a breathing human being and who won't. Each life that is created is done so by His knowledge through the union/fertilization of a male's sperm to a females egg (conception) and it is His decision as to whether that new life/human soul will live here on earth or will live on in Heaven instead. (Whether conception happened naturally through intercourse or whether conception happened in a petrie dish.) Conception cannot happen without God's knowledge (even in a petrie dish!) because God is Who created new human life to be possible between an egg and a sperm in the first place! :) When a person comes to have faith and love for God and trust's in Him and His all knowing power, then you trust that God knows what's best for that baby as to whether it would be best for the baby's soul to live eternally in Heaven or live on Earth first by fully forming into a human body. All human beings have souls no matter how small (right from conception), but we(our souls) all don't get to "live" in our "bodies'" because God in His infinite wisdom decides that not us. Sometimes our unformed bodies (Zygote to Blastocyst at that point) just naturally don't implant the new human life into the uterus because that is God's natural way of saying that He needs to take that human life to be with him in Heaven because for one reason of His or another that human life would not be able to have a healthy formed body to survive living on earth. You are correct, a majority of the conception of human life is not implanted in the uterus and so that means women don't even know that a new life was "Created" by God within them, but what's important is that GOD knows. :) He knows and LOVES every single one of us. Those people who have lived on Earth and came to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, when they get to Heaven, will see the "many" souls in Heaven who never existed as having been born on this earth, but who existed at the moment of conception. (And whom God knew!) He has not forgotten any of us. :) I hope this helps Michelle. Blessings, grace and love to you! <3

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            8 week aborted BABY. What else do you think it grows to be?!? IT. IS. A. HUMAN. BABY.

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            This is a photo of a 12 week old “Fetus” “Young One” or “Offspring” of a human being. The neck is present and the face well formed. The eyelids close and will reopen at about 24 weeks. Tooth buds appear. The arms and legs move. All body parts and organs are present. The fibers that carry pain to the brain are developed. Definitive signs of male and female gender are present. A heartbeat can be heard with electronic devices. The length is about 2 to 3 inches.

      • Stephanie

        Well duhh.. I mean the whole point is to get rid of the baby.. of course it get’s ripped up and taken out. How else do people think it’s done. It’s not nicely cut out and placed in a nice box. It’s sucked up like a vacuum, and then they go in and scrape your cervix to ensure it’s all gone. And it’s not like people are like ‘la la la..just had my abortion.. ye da dee’. No.. the ex-mother has some mental back lash as well. But you got to do what works for you. :)

        • Michelle Erb

          I guess she likes coat hangers better.

          • Marcia Mowery Rzad

            Ya right… I like coat hangers, I’m clearly pro-life, your comment is absurd! SMH. What I prefer is I like the courage of the woman to choose life and not have their baby killed. I don’t like ANY way that a baby is killed in the womb. A baby should be safe and protected inside the womb of a mother.

    • 3rtgf4kg

      Abortion is MURDER, plain and simple, and those who practice it especially as “birth control” are MURDERERS!!

      • Anathalee Sandlin

        No, you think abortion is murder. Not everyone shares that belief. If you don’t believe in abortion….don’t have one. And for the record….abortions are expensive and no one I know who has had one ever thought it was a great form of birth control. That’s just a like born of ignorance of the situation.

    • geo

      Then I’m sure you’ll likewise chide the nutcakes who insist that someone who wears a ballcap bearing the NRA logo, is a supporter of mass murder.

      • Michelle Erb

        Never heard of those “nutcakes”? I guess that will be the subject of Bristol’s next inane blog.

      • Stephanie

        Woah.. That’s the dumbest thing ever!! People really think that supports of NRA really support mas murder… that’s got to be the dumbest thing I’ve heard all damn day. They are nutcases if they think that. hahaha

  • Paula Maria DelaEspriella

    I’m 100% pro choice but this pendant is disturbing. ..they could have chosen something else to proudly display around their neck…just my opinion

    • Michelle Erb

      Do you understand what coat hangers represent?

      When abortions are safe and legal, coat hangers are not involved.

      Think about it.

      If you can’t figure it out, ask women who were alive before Roe v. Wade.

    • Stephanie

      Yeah I didn’t understand that either at first. But then again, it’s not like they offered that information in the article. Damn shame too. It’s caused a lot of confusion for people not reading comments.

  • Dawn L Farley

    Using abortion as birth control is OK if you believe your creations are parasites, however, during the process you should be sterilized. If you believe you are “pro choice”, are you only pro choice on murdering your own children? Or do you believe that freedom of choice includes everything from doing drugs to owning firearms?

    • Michelle Erb

      So you are against medical marijuana and owning firearms? I’m not.

      • Dawn L Farley

        I am pro choice. I just do not believe that abortion should Ever be used as birth control & those that use it as such are just Lazy that they won’t use real birth control options such as condoms, the pill, or a diafram. If you feel your unborn baby is a parasite, please feel free to exterminate it, but don’t expect anyone to believe that you wouldn’t feel the same thing about a baby or a small child. I also do Not care what consenting adults do behind closed doors, feel the “war on drugs” is a waste of taxpayer money, and understand that the 2nd amendment is very important to the populations freedom.

        • Michelle Erb

          So you are pro-choice in everything else but put a non- viable fetus above the rights of women?

          Would you require a woman to remain pregnant (or face sterilization) even if it means that she must give up medicine she may require for her mental or physical health or if it would mean postponing cancer treatments.

          Many pregnant women become very ill and miss work or have to stop their education. For some, living at the edge, missing even one day will cost them their jobs and may lead to homelessness and even the loss of the actual living children they are already raising.

          Those who oppose the morning after pill would force a woman to leave her uterine lining to remain intact just in case conception occurs. Many would even deny women the right to have children by banning contraceptives that they need to diminish cysts so that they can become pregnant, or creating laws that would make IVF illegal. Their demands never end.

          What gives you the right to decide for everyone else, that this not yet breathing fetus that has no consciousness and can not live without some else’s sacrifice has more rights than the woman and her existing family?

          At least it seems that you do agree that we should not supporting Palin type efforts to discourage the use of contraceptives, by lying about their effectiveness and encouraging abstinence only. I hope you also agree that women who pay for their insurance should have their contraceptives covered in the same way that men have Viagra covered.

          • Dawn L Farley

            You Didn’t read my post. I stated that Abortion should Not be used as birth control, ever, unless the woman having the abortion believes children are parasites. A women whose life is at risk is Not using abortion as birth control. A women who has health issues is Not using abortion as birth control. A women who became pregnant because of rape or incest is Not using abortion as birth control! The Healthy women who has indiscriminate, consential sex without protecting herself is the only one using abortion as birth control.

          • Michelle Erb

            How are you going to make that determination? What if the contraception failed or her circumstances have changed? Are you going to decide if the sex was consensual?

            How about we keep abortion legal and encourage more access and use of contraception?

            You do realize that there is an abortion pill now so that those who do use it as contraception don’t actually need a clinic? They just wont get necessary follow up care. In the meantime people who are trying to make it illegal are hurting the women in more complicated situations, and making it harder for many to get birth control in the first place.

          • Jordan Max

            Nobody is saying make it illegal (except crazy radical right-wingers), but I WILL NOT pay for YOUR abortion. I do NOT believe that it is right. Why should I have to pay my tax dollars towards YOUR abortion, that I don’t even believe in the first place? You don’t think that is wrong?

          • Michelle Erb

            So you agree with current law then, since tax payer money cannot go to abortion.

            Now I wish I could get back what I spent on the Iraq war. I detest the fact that the blood of a million innocent people is on my hands because Bush lied to get us into a war that earned Cheney’s Haliburton billions of dollars. Unfortunately only you got to choose what taxpayer money gets spent on.

          • Dawn L Farley

            Sorry, Bush didn’t lie to get us into Iraqi. Our Congress voted to go to war after being presented with intelligence from both our agencies and foreign agencies.

          • Dawn L Farley

            Her doctor would be the one deciding if a pregnant woman’s health prevented her from carrying her baby to term. Her doctor, with a rape kit, would also determine if the sex was consentual. As for contraception failing, if you use them properly there is small chance of pregnancy. But when you gamble, you take risk. If you read what I wrote, you would know that I don’t even want the option of abortion taken away from those who want to use it as birth control, I just want their ability to do it more than once, taken away.
            Most abortions should not be public fodder. They should only be between a pregnant woman, her partner, and her Doctor. When used as birth control, it opens up the discussion to the general public.

          • Michelle Erb

            Your are not serious right? Doctors making determination about rapes? Sterilizing women?

          • Dawn L Farley

            Doctors are already determining rape. You want to have your rapist prosecuted, you get a rape kit. If you claim someone raped you without doing the exam, you could be guilty of slander as you won’t be able to prove it.

          • Michelle Erb

            And if you don’t have enough physical evidence for a conviction or couldn’t or didn’t report it right away then it wasn’t a “legitimate rape” right? And you would call her “guilty”?!

          • Dawn L Farley

            If you knew that you would be steralized for having an abortion for using it as birth control, you would have the Personal responsibility of going to the hospital and having a rape kit done after the crime happened. When you say couldn’t, you must mean women who have been enslaved, they have a lot more crimes against their kidnappers to hold up as evidence of the wrong done to them.

          • Michelle Erb

            Or I am in shock or I blame myself, or I am twelve and my father did it. Or I know how people like you blame rape victims and wont believe me anyway. Do you know how many women report their rapes and then the state refuses to prosecute? Or have their own community turn on them?

            You need a lot of education honey. Way to blame rape victims for rape. Many hope they wont become pregnant and just want to move on with their lives. A choice which a libertarian such as yourself should support.

            And what will you do when she says she was raped, reports it immediately , but he says it was consensual? Do you realize that by threatening sterilization you would actually be encouraging false rape allegations by desperate women. You are also giving rapists a defense since they can claim that the woman has a motivation to lie even when they are telling the truth.

            You can’t really be this delusional.

          • Anathalee Sandlin

            I don’t know any woman who has used abortion as birth control. That’s really an asinine premise and I don’t know why any woman might think that.

          • Anathalee Sandlin

            Obviously some posting as pro choice aren’t. When you start putting punishments on actions then choice really isn’t involved.

        • Stephanie

          Your thoughts are making my brain hurt…
          Do you understand what Pro Choice means? A woman is pro-choice when she believes another woman has the right to have an abortion, regardless of her reasons. There are no ‘if’s’ about it. A personal right, is a personal right. To add on the stipulation of ‘then she should be sterilized’ is asinine.

    • Stephanie

      I believe that everyone has a right to believe what they want. Regardless if I agree.
      I believe ‘Your Life, Your Rights’. Everything a person decides, is up to them. That includes every little thing you can think of.
      I’ve had both, a child, and an abortion. And I don’t regret a thing. :)
      Have a good one.

      • Dawn L Farley

        Your life your rights, but you killed another life, guess that others life wasn’t as important as your right to kill it.

        • Anathalee Sandlin

          Where do you stand on the death penalty? Where do you stand on war? Where do you stand on programs to feed hungry children? Post born children need help too.

        • Stephanie

          You’re completely right.
          “that others life wasn’t as important as…” my need to provide for my family properly and officiant. I’m not going to bring a 2nd child into this life, knowing damn well I can’t take care of it. I looked at my situation and thought, “Would this baby want ME as it’s mother”. I said no. No, my babies would not live life happy, by being in low income housing.
          As people keep saying, what you believe is what you believe, but you don’t know the situation. And the only one that can judge me is god Which is why people like you have never, and will never effect me.

          • Anathalee Sandlin

            You’re right Stephanie. Why you chose to have an abortion was your choice and your decision. I was pregnant six times before Roe and I would have aborted my 5th pregnancy had I not miscarried. I already had two children and lost two babies and I couldn’t go through another pregnancy. When I became pregnant with my third daughter the doctor wanted me to abort for health reasons. I didn’t feel it was the decision I needed to make at that time. Today I have a wonderful daughter who is a joy in my life. I’ve never regretted losing the 5th pregnancy and I wouldn’t have regretted having an abortion then had it been available.

          • Stephanie

            And I’m genuinely sincerely over joyed that your life has blossomed the way it has. :) I hate it when people automatically assume that we have no souls, no hearts, or we’re selfish. But I personally think I’m far from selfish, because it’s that babies life and how they would live that’s my first concern. If I was selfish, I would have kept the baby, and ended up in SE Washington DC somewhere. Life happens for a reason. No matter how you got there.
            :) Love and light Anathalee <3

          • Anathalee Sandlin

            You’re a kind soul Stephanie. Love and light to you. <3

    • Anathalee Sandlin

      Pro choice means believing another person doesn’t have a right to tell anyone else what they should or shouldn’t do or what decisions they should make. I trust women to make the choices they need to make and I don’t judge women for those choices.

  • Xraygrrl

    Symbolism is lost on RWers unless it is the cross they are wearing around their own necks.
    The coat hanger is a grim “Never Again” type of symbol to women who understand the danger of outlawing abortion.
    It is a tribute to the women who died and suffered in the past from from bad legislation regarding women’s health. The coat hanger symbol is not a celebration. It is a reminder that we have to keep fighting so that we do not go back to those times.

  • Buckeye RUSSELL

    With the many kinds of birth control that is out there today, there is only a couple of reasons why it should be permitted, one is rape or incest, and the other is the life of the mother is in danger, I’ve heard all kinds of excuses from the other side the main one being that birth control is not 100% effective, if that is your stance then and you really don’t want a child, use the pill and a condom and a diaphragm then you will be protected as good as its gets, and it’s toll and your mind and body will be a lot cheaper also…

    • Anathalee Sandlin

      There are so many variables in terminating a pregnancy that it’s not a simple issue….at least not as simple as some people believe.

  • Anathalee Sandlin

    Not everyone believes that abortion is murder. For those of you who think it is, don’t have one but don’t try to foist your religious beliefs onto others because that’s exactly what you’re doing. Abortion is legal in this country and women have a right to have one without justifying her decision to anyone.

    • Anna Hall Bohach

      So you only have to believe something is murder or not? Not to long ago white slave owners were allowed to kill and torture their black slaves because they were not considered human either. I guess not everyone believed it was murder so it was okay then. SO now we torture and kill black babies by the millions because after all not everyone believes it is murder because they are not really human any way just a blob of tissue. Forget that they have a beating heart, finger prints, their own unique DNA, brain waves, and they feel pain. I mean why not just kill them after they are born as well because they are just a drain on the system and dependent on their mothers for survival. Anathalee Sadlin you have no soul.

      • Anathalee Sandlin

        Your opinion…it’s not everyone’s. You’re bringing religion into it and not everyone believes the same way. You make this personal by saying I have no soul. You don’t know me, you don’t know what I believe. It’s a fact not all people believe that abortion is murder. If you don’t believe in abortion, I say again, don’t have one.

        • Anna Hall Bohach

          I see…so “murder” is now a matter of “opinion?” Thanks for illustrating the root-cause of our disagreement. Its not religion, but moral-relativism. Its not murder unless you, the great Anathalee Sandlin says it is. Must be nice to be you.

          • Xraygrrl

            Millions of people happen to agree with Anathalee that murder applies to already born people and is incorrect to apply to pregnancy terminations.
            If you wish think of it as murder that is your cross to bear, not ours.

          • Anna Hall Bohach

            You and your Anathalee have squarely placed yourselves on the side of mass-murderers and tin-pot dictators who have ever taken a human life. It wasn’t “murder” because they said it wasn’t. Just like when Hitler killed all those Jews, it wasn’t “murder” because “Hitler said it wasn’t.”

            And since you seem to have trouble with the definition of murder, here’s one for you:

            Murder is the unjustified taking of a human life.

            And be careful if you start parsing “unjustified” too much. I may have to start evaluating the “human” part, and I may not stop “after exiting the birth canal.” As it is commonly accepted in civilized society, “unjustified” means “not in self-defense.” So unless you’re afraid that that baby is going to murder the mother from the inside, its pretty clear its unjustified.

          • Stephanie

            sweet heart… I don’t care what you have to say if it’s coming from a negative and judgmental place. My god taught me better than to listen to others that judge when it’s only his place to do so.
            Sorry you wasted your time typing that novel tho.

          • Anna Hall Bohach

            “Your god…???” My God taught me about the 10 Commandments, especially the “Thou shalt not commit murder…” one. Your “god” has a 666 tattooed on his forehead and has demon horns.

          • Stephanie

            hahahahahaha omg, that’s great! lol.

          • Anathalee Sandlin

            Feeling a little self righteous and judgmental I see.

          • Xraygrrl

            Like I said before, that is how you have chosen to view it.
            Millions of us don’t care about your opinion or your histrionic hand wringing.
            From what I can see people who think as you do are grossly outnumbered and just part of the kooky fringe.
            It’s a big scary world out there, darling.

          • Anathalee Sandlin

            First of all, I’ve never murdered anyone or any thing. Even if I’d ever had an abortion I wouldn’t have considered it murder….that that’s part of my belief system Anna Hall Bohach. And it’s not up to anyone to tell another how they should believe. Judging people by your standard is what has killed millions of people during the Crusades and Inquisition and that I do consider murder done in the name of Christianity. So I think I’ll just keep my beliefs thank you.

          • Stephanie

            hahaha. god knows your a bitch. And he looks down on you for passing judgement only he has power to do.
            Good luck in finding happiness in life, cause you clearly have some dark clouds over you to spill such hate over the internet.

          • Anna Hall Bohach

            Project much? Its always interesting to listen to atheists preach about God and Religion.

          • Stephanie

            lol, I’m not atheist! lol.. but nice try.

          • Anna Hall Bohach

            An atheist and a liar. Usually goes together. Probably a murderer too.

          • Stephanie

            you’re too cute!!!! Keep going.. this is entertaining.

          • Anathalee Sandlin

            No Anna, it’s not murder if you don’t think it is. It’s murder if that’s what you believe. I don’t make those judgment calls. And yes, it’s nice to be me.

          • fuck palin

            wow, you are such a bitch

        • Stephanie

          You know what I think is weird…
          The most understanding, caring, and loving people I know, are covered in tattoos or piercings. And the most judgmental, hateful, and angry people I know, are church goers… how twisted is that?! Don’t listen to this internet person… you clearly have a soul. Just look at how your responding and how they are.. ridiculous. <3 Love and Light girl You're beautiful! :)

          • Anathalee Sandlin

            Right back to you Stephanie. :-)

          • Anna Hall Bohach

            All your tattooed and pierced friends are now in prison some of them for murder. No wonder you look up to them. Birds of a feather….

          • Stephanie

            lol, while your husband is sleeping with the neighbors wife. lol.

          • Stephanie

            See how nuts that statement is!? I don’t know anything about you. So I don’t judge. I do however judge the despicable and distasteful things that come from your “Christian” mouth. How clever you are… to think up digs on me and my statements when you cant conduct yourself appropriately like an adult. Stating your beliefs and matters with pride, and with the knowledge that it DOESN’T matter if other people follow you on your path, the only thing that matters is that YOUR path lands at the feet of god.
            Don’t preech to me sweet heart. I am fine with my relationship with god. I suggest you heal all that hate in your heart before you meet him.

          • Anna Hall Bohach

            The only thing more nuts than your previous statement is your liberal hypocrisy. Its okay for you and liberal woman like you to judge Christians who desire to protect human life and mothers. You think we some how want to oppress women by banning abortion. What do you think abortion does to a woman’s body and her psyche? The majority of women who get abortions are not well informed. They are pressured by abusive boyfriends, their parents, or their peers to kill their babies. Do you know that teen girls who have abortions are 10 times more likely to commit suicide? But you want Christians to just shut up and be quiet because the truth hurts your feelings. You talk about God. But God calls Christians to defend those who cannot defend themselves. To protect the helpless. So no I will not just Shut up. Abortion is MURDER and it destroys women.

          • Stephanie

            Whatever point you’re trying to make, is overshadowed by the hate and cruel words that surround it.
            It’s like I’m talking to an angry man that turned off his listening ears. I say that I’m not judging you, and you come back with “it’s ok for you to judge…” what? Do you even read the comments or do you just reply?
            Don’t group all Christians in with you, I’m Christian, I don’t agree, and neither does my congregation. Our pastor tells us only God will judge us. God gave all his children the right to choose. Hello…Adam and Eve.. he ends up judging at the end, it’s our choice, and our life to live. So no, it is not your place to step in to “correct” me.
            I don’t judge you, I think you have every right to believe whatever you want to believe. Just like I have every right to. However, you’re failing to realize that I’m not pushing my opinion on to you, I’m simply sticking up for my beliefs against your attacks.

          • Michelle Erb

            I actually thought the response would be that lots of tattooed pierced people are Christians. Congratulations on going full out troll in your response.

          • Stephanie

            None of my friends are in prison hahahaha.
            I love this. I’m stating facts and open honest opinions, your just throwing daggers. I’m sure god is SO proud of you. hahahaha pray tonight… he’s getting worried.

    • Bubbles

      Women who get abortions may not have to justify their decision to anyone on this earth at the present time but thankfully one day they will have to answer for their actions to the ultimate Judge. Better still is that He is also willing to forgive such an atrocious act towards an innocent life if they repent and forsake their sins. I can barely stand to read comments such as yours without feeling sick to my stomach – I have to remember that justice will one day be served by God. I hope that you will repent of your sin and turn to Him.

      • Anathalee Sandlin

        This is your belief system and if that’s how you believe then you should walk your own path. Not all people think abortion is murdering a baby. It’s just a fact. I don’t know why you think I need to repent or what sin you’re attributing to me but I can assure you, I’m not a sinner and I don’t need to repent.

        • Bubbles

          Actually you are. So am I. Everyone is. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Let me ask you this: Have you ever told a lie or stolen anything? I have. That makes me a liar and a thief. Have you ever slept with someone outside of marriage or even looked at a man or woman with lust? Jesus said in Matthew 5:28 that if you look at someone with lust it’s as if you’ve committed adultery in your heart with that person. I’ve done all these things. I am guilty of breaking God’s law and I was headed to Hell for eternity as punishment. The good news for me (and you) is that according to the Bible, God doesn’t desire that anyone should go to hell. So, He sent His Son Jesus Christ to earth to live a perfect, sinless life and then to die on a cross and to take my punishment for my crime of breaking God’s law. Because I’ve repented and turned away from my sin and because I believe that Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross is the only way to be right with God, I’m now headed to be with Him when I die. I am blameless in God’s sight because of Jesus and will spend eternity with Him. I desire that for you. God desires that for you! I hope you will turn to God.

          • Anathalee Sandlin

            That’s your belief system. Not mine. Not everyone is a Christian. I’m not a sinner, I don’t need to repent and I don’t believe in hell. But it’s my right to believe that way…my choice if you will.

      • Stephanie

        My dog had a litter this winter… she took aside two of the pups a couple hours after having them, and snapped their necks. She then brought the two back to the litter and cuddled them as she nursed the others. It’s instincts. And when god isn’t there to step in for us, we must decide what is best for ourselves.
        When the time comes, I will be judged on having my 1st child, and aborting my 2nd. And if that god doesn’t accept me as his child, that is full of mistakes and mishaps, then he isn’t the god that I’ve believed in my whole life.
        I believe that when the time comes, people like you, will be judged far more than people like me. Because people like me genuinely believe that it’s your life, live it how you want.
        You may say you’re like that, but your writing proves otherwise.

        • Bubbles

          God has told us in His Word that He will judge all who refuse to repent from sin and believe in Jesus Christ and his sacrifice for us on the cross. It doesn’t really matter what you or I think about the things of this life, it’s about what God thinks. Ultimately He will be the final authority on anything and everything in the universe. The good news is that He promises to forgive you for any and all sin if you repent (1 John 1:9).

          • Stephanie

            Thank you! You completely spread his word without being hateful, angry, or aggressive towards myself, my life, and my decisions. I agree completely with what you said. And I look forward to meeting him.

      • Stephanie

        Also… if I’m going to be judged for taking one of his children, then I’d love to see what he says to all the soldiers that fought and killed for this country.

  • Mike Keefe

    You’re disgusted by this? I had heard Bristol was an idiot and now she’s proved it. The coat hanger is a symbol and as you are a Christian I’m assuming you either wear a cross or are at least aware that it is a symbol. It represents the life and struggle of Jesus Christ and sacrifice for all mankind. It is also the method of his execution. The coat hanger is also such a symbol. It represents the extreme women have had to go through to end a pregnancy. It represents back-alley shady doctors that performed illegal abortions that often ended in death or irreparable damage. It represents a time that we must never regress to and if you right-wing, conservative, religious zealots had your way we’d be right back there tomorrow to hell with the costs.

    To be disgusted by one symbol of death and not another is something we like to call hypocrisy, and you Bristol are just another conservatard hypocrite.

    • Anathalee Sandlin

      Excellent post Mike Keefe.

    • Stephanie

      Well said MIke!! :)
      While I would never wear a coat hanger, those who choose to have every right to decide that for themselves. bravo!

  • TomanJeri Giddens

    Wow I’m just can’t believe we live in America and people can’t keep it in there pants! And if they can’t put on a rain jacket. A baby is a gift from God and if you think it is ok than you don’t believe in God and in a beautiful life that is created! I feel real sorry for people who don’t believe! :)

    • Anathalee Sandlin

      Please tell the victims of incest or rape or the woman who is carrying a dead baby their babies are gifts from God. I’m sorry….I don’t believe the fetus is anything more than a body that houses the soul that doesn’t enter until the body can survive outside the womb. And not all houses are ‘gifts from God.’

      • TomanJeri Giddens

        There are certain circumstances where that may be true. But once that fetus has a heartbeat he or she is alive and for you to say that they are not then you do not have a clue. There are many people our there that can’t have their own and it is up to a woman to decide. And if you believed in God you would know the difference!

        • Anathalee Sandlin

          I do have a clue and believing in God has nothing to do with it. Again, your belief so don’t have an abortion.

  • stewie

    And I bet all of you idiots oppose the death penalty, and belong to peta. You talk out both sides of your mouth just like a true Democrat.

    • Michelle Erb

      Probably many here think the death penalty needs to be abolished until we can stop killing innocent people. I doubt if many belong to Peta (as opposed to the ASPCA) because unlike forced birthers who can not tell the difference between an embryo in a petrie dish and a living breathing conscious child, we actually value humanity and can tell what makes us alive, and what distinguishes humans from animals.

    • TomanJeri Giddens

      I totally agree with your comment. They all voted for Obama. That is why we are in a $@#& hole

      • Anathalee Sandlin

        The main reason so many of you don’t like Obama is he’s a black democrat who isn’t a war monger. I voted for him twice and I’m going to vote for Hillary if she runs.

    • Anathalee Sandlin

      That’s a perfect example of the right wing mentality. No, we don’t all belong to peta and a number of us support the death penalty. And this ‘true Democrat’ is a registered Republican.

    • Noah Day

      I researched the viability of the death penalty and found on several sources that it is more expensive to take a person for a death penalty trial than shutting him in a cage for the rest of his life, on average. The fact of it is that on average a death penalty court cases cost 48% more than a life without parol case, and includes the cases that do not actually get the death penalty. In NY in 9 years spent 190 mil on such cases without one person actually killed.

    • fuck palin

      At least we are not a brain dead republican.

  • stewie

    It’s not about the victims of incest, rape, or a miss carried baby. It’s about people using it as birth control instead of keeping their legs closed or keeping it in their pants. I as a tax payer shouldn’t have to pay for it either. It is like anything else. It has its place but is abused by a lot of people.

    • Michelle Erb

      As a taxpayer you don’t pay for it. And it is about incest rape etc, because once you agree that abortion can be the right decision in some circumstances, you do not get to decide which women get to control their own bodies and which do not.

      • stewie

        Not very many people are against it in those cases. People only bring it up for their own political gain. And you may want to check again on the tax payer. They get government funding. Where does the government get their money? From the tax payer. And now with this retarded Obama care it’s all taxpayer funded.

        • Michelle Erb

          It is 100% illegal for tax money to go to abortion. If you are talking about funding planned parenthood, only 3% of what they do is abortion and they can not use tax funding for that. Republicans even tried to stage a criminal investigation alleging they were using tax money for abortion and could not prove a thing, because they are not.

          • probuiltenterprises

            Your not too gullible now are you Michelle? I guess this is part of your fictitious war on women. Here, feel free to browse….this is what you condone: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=abortion+pictures&FORM=HDRSC2

            Planned Parenthood, for example, receives about $270 million annually from government funding

            Read more: http://www.ehow.com/about_4673189_government-spend-abortions-each-year.html#ixzz2wYIOxcJB

            The fact of the matter is that 51 percent of Planned Parenthood’s
            yearly clinic income – their only self-sustaining revenue source – comes
            from abortion, 329,445 abortions or about $1.82 billion.

            40 percent of all reported abortions committed in the United States occur at a Planned Parenthood
            clinic, making it by far the largest abortion provider in America.
            (Editor’s note: When using the national abortion numbers from the
            Guttmacher Institute, Planned Parenthood does 27.5 percent of all
            abortions in the United States,)

            http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

          • Michelle Erb

            I am sorry you do not understand English. Planned parenthood has to charge for abortion because the government money cannot go to that. They serve millions of women at a thousand locations. Abortion is only 3% of what they do.

            For many women PP is their sole healthcare source. Having a planned parenthood in your neighborhood means you are less likely to have an abortion because you have access to contraception and education. Desperate women will travel for an abortion when they could not do so for contraception.

            PP also refers women for mammograms and funds them. They monitor hypertension and perform pap smears. They also help women procure prenatal care so they can have healthy pregnancies.

            Why do you oppose all that? When planned parenthood had to close facilities in Texas unplanned pregnancies went up and a large percentage of women who got abortions anyway said that they got pregnant because they had lost access to contraception in the past there months.

          • probuiltenterprises

            the facts the government puts out and planned parent put out doesn’t support your facts. The fact of the matter is that 51 percent of Planned Parenthood’s yearly
            clinic income – their only self-sustaining revenue source – comes from
            abortion, 329,445 abortions out of 1.08 million. Over 1/3 of all abortions that took place in U.S. were performed by Planned Parenthood. Also they received 45 percent of its revenues from taxpayer-funded government sources. 40 percent of the organization’s reported contraceptive services last
            year were the provision of more than 1.4 million emergency contraception
            kits, which many believe cause an abortion and miscarriage in early pregnancy. To
            solidify its place as the top abortion provider, Planned Parenthood
            recently announced that all local affiliates would have to begin providing abortion services starting in 2013. Under Obama care abortions WILL be paid for. I nor the Federal government need to be paying for this.
            The Federal Government Doesn’t Owe Women Abortion Aid

        • Michelle Erb

          So you seriously want someone else to decide if a case involves rape or incest? You really do not want small government do you?

          • Tred

            He’s ridiculous

          • nought

            I’ll bet you say that about murder and rape too.

        • Tred

          Haha! Retarded Obamacare? You mean the legislation that means people can now get coverage for pre-existing conditions? And no lifetime caps ? And children can stAy on parents plan up to age 26? And pregnancy and childbirth can’t be excluded? Those retarded things???? Too funny!

          • rh

            It isn’t about health care, it is about control.

          • Tred

            Oh you mean telling people they will be fined if they don’t take responsibility for ensuring they have health coverage ? Hmmmm….. Id say those people need to be ” controlled”. Or do you telling insurers they can no longer deny coverage to people who are too sick or too pregnant? Hmmmm…. I’d say those are the kinds of controls we need to protect people.

          • Michelle Erb

            You prefer that we all cover the uninsured’s bills every time they go into an emergency room or end up hospitalized? It is not unreasonable that those who can afford insurance and choose not to have it pay a small tax to make up for the risk they put on all of us. This year the maximum fine is $95.

          • davids64

            The whole “retarded Obamacare” has become nothing but a talking point for the brainless hatemongering morons of the right,Tred. They say it as if it were a shibboleth, the code-word you need for entry to a Republiwhore political meeting! It is not, and NEVER HAS, actually described reality.

          • rh

            An excerpt from Ben’s speech:

            “…Vladimir Lenin, one of the fathers of socialism and communism, said that socialized medicine is the keystone to the establishment of a socialist state…”

            http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/11/dr-carson-obamacare-the-worst-thing-that-has-happened-since-slavery/

          • rh

            If you love socialism and communism so much, many other countries offer it.

          • Tred

            Eh if you think Obamacare is socialism and communism, then you are wrong. But sure, go with that if you want.

        • fuck palin

          Get an education you stupid republitard.

          • stewie

            Obviously you’re the one in need of an education you liberal leach. You need to pull your head out of your ass and stop draining society dry like the parasite you are. You are what is wrong with this country you worthless piece of shit.

      • rh

        They do too pay for it. Where the hell do you think the government gets their money? Their paychecks.

        • Tred

          What are you trying to say rh?

      • rh

        You have no idea where the government gets their money, do you?
        TAXPAYERS ARE THE SOURCE OF ALL GOVERNMENT FUNDS.

        • Michelle Erb

          Google the Hyde amendment. Government funds can not be used for abortion.

  • Billie Jacobs

    If liberal feminists had their way only they would have the right to reproduce? Pregnant conservatives would have their fetuses aborted and then neuter those women!!!

    • TomanJeri Giddens

      Women like them should be neutered they don’t know the difference. It’s like they don’t eat meat but will eat fish they are killing a breathing thing. Way dumb!

    • fuck palin

      That’s the stupidest shit i have heard in a long time.

  • Bill589

    Thank you Bristol for the post. I pray for the babies denied their lives.

  • Anathalee Sandlin

    Of all the ridiculous points being made about women an abortion is the statement that women use abortion as birth control. Have any of you done the math? The average cost of birth control is anywhere from $30 to $60 a month. When you multiply that by 12 you’re talking a maximum cost of $720 for the year. An abortion starts at $450 plus $150 for a mandatory ultrasound which is for up to 12 weeks. You can add $100 per week for every week over that. Really? You’re going to try to say women use abortion for birth control when it’s obviously cheaper just to take the pill in the first place? And those who are the forced birthers are now trying to do away with most birth control anyway. The only thing that prevents pregnancy for sexually active women, or at least most pregnancies, is birth control and you don’t want women to have access to it. Add to that Mitch McConnell making a statement that women should have sex with their husbands whether they are willing or not and you’ve got a conundrum on your hands. You’re going to tell women not to have sex and that she must have sex all in the same breath? Please educate yourself and stop using disproved talking points.

  • natalie

    woman who abort babies, should be aborted themselves. There, I said it!

    • davids64

      Okay, now I will say it: Women who OPPOSE other women who choose abortion should be RAPED and then forced to bear the child of that rape.

      There. I said it!

      • nought

        Next you will be calling for the lynching of the rapists..

    • Carolina

      How pro life of you.

  • baby killa nigga!

    LOL THATS FUCKING HIARIOUS!!!

  • cant_believe_it

    So when will we see Bristol advocating for better access to contraception for teenagers? You know, so they don’t get pregnant and have to have an abortion because they won’t be able to provide for their child….?
    Until then she deserves all the ridicule she can get because all she does day in day out is run her cosmetically enhanced mouth about other people’s mistakes!

    • nought

      “….they won’t be able to provide for their child….?” If that were true, the inner city welfare rolls would be less by at least 90%.

      • cant_believe_it

        Without abortions they would be even higher!
        So what are you trying to convey?

        • nought

          The government is providing the wherewithal … the welfare moms might get the proud and bragging daddies of their offspring to pay the freight of their children.
          The schools are already providing contraceptives in the schools, the Bragging Sperm Donors want a trophy of their prowess.
          Bristol is not knocking up the welfare check mommies.

          • cant_believe_it

            So let’s ban abortions and if it’s up to you let’s ban welfare too! Because we all know that people like you don’t give a flying poop about what the poor babies eat once they are out of the womb!
            You are right, Bristol is not knocking anyone up, she having that done by somebody else, while lecturing people about abstinence. (and we all know how well that worked out for her…. :-) )

          • nought

            Well she didn’t kill her baby; and letting it live and loving it had nothing to do with making money off it,

          • cant_believe_it

            So why isn’t she advocating against cuts to food stamps, so that the poor babies who don’t have a famewhoring mommy have something to eat too?

            Why isn’t she advocating for the ACA, so other babies who don’t have 1/64th of Eskimo blood get access to taxpayer supported healthcare too?

            Why isn’t she advocating for contraceptives in red state schools who teach abstinence only, so that those millions of teenagers who get knocked up because they don’t know any better don’t have to have abortions?

            Because she couldn’t care less but LOVES to lecture other people! Just like you!

          • nought

            I’m certainly noting that you have no trouble lecturing others based on the use of “What-ifs”. She, and even I, do not have to listening to your hectoring to form our own opinions.

          • cant_believe_it

            I am just asking questions that you obviously can’t answer…

          • nought

            You were asking rhetorical questions that are not answerable to the party addressed; I would say “but you knew that”, but I don’t think you do, or did.

          • cant_believe_it

            Not at all!
            Nobody was ever able to give a coherent answer to why people who are so uncompromisingly pro-life, are at the same time the ones who scream the loudest about sex-ed at school, free contraceptives and welfare programs in areas with the highest child poverty rates!
            You are just one more who either can’t answer or is too much of a coward to expose his own hypocrisy….

          • nought

            “So why isn’t she advocating against cuts to food stamps….
            Why isn’t she advocating for the ACA……
            Why isn’t she advocating for contraceptives..
            Because she couldn’t care less but LOVES to lecture other people! Just like you”.
            Did you finally get off with your rhetorical questions?

          • cant_believe_it

            Are you talking to yourself now? Are you stuck in some automatic loop? Sorry, I can’t follow… but that’s okay. You’ve said all I need to know from you anyway.

          • nought

            THOSE ARE YOUR QUESTIONS…. Short term memory failing?
            I am gone.

          • cant_believe_it

            Exactly! Those are my questions that you for whatever reason are not (wo)man enough to answer!

      • davids64

        Nought says “inner city welfare rolls”.

        This, of course, is a CODE WORD for “black women”.

        Yeah, go ahead and deny it, Nought. We ALL KNOW what you really mean.

        • nought

          I use the term “inner city” because I didn’t want to exclude any trash of any complexion who make their living cheating their children out of real chance of opportunity and happiness. During my life I have become acquainted with a number of white sluts who live in the inner city.
          Innercity is the” Code Word” for those who sell themselves and their children to the Democrat party for welfare handouts…….. and live in the geographic inner city.
          That how the Democrats politically control most of the cities.
          There isn’t very much Public Housing located in the rural areas or food banks for that matter.

      • mike

        There goes that “inner city” phrase again.

        • nought

          If that is what is what you understand as the meaning, use it by all means. Mine is: .
          in·ner cit·y
          noun
          noun: inner city; plural noun: inner cities; modifier noun: inner-city
          1.
          the area near the center of a city, esp. when associated with social and economic problems.

          Neither race nor sex is mentioned.

    • Ashley Marie Ostrowski

      She’s too busy promoting abstinence (not that it worked for her or her brother).

      • Michelle Erb

        Or her mother. As far as I know no marriage in that family has ever taken place before the first pregnancy. Would be no one’s business except for the fact that they still promote abstinence only education for everyone else.

  • Jennifer A Warford

    I am flabbergasted. I personally don’t believe in abortion in most cases, unless the woman/young girl were raped or sexually abused at home. They had no choice but to get pregnant with these assholes that took over them. BUT…… If you are smart enough to spread them you are smart enough to know that there are so many desperate families crying out for these children because they can’t have none of their own. These reasons such as I am not ready, my body, my school… Take a break and have your baby then give them up for adoption. Give them the life they deserve. Just because you had a one night stand and your lover won’t stick around, that little baby would love you forever!!!!! Don’t forget the helpless children don’t ask to be brought in to this world! Come on ladies, if you find things offensive, then there are obviously people who are offended by this hanger thing as well. Woman enough to lay with a man, so be woman enough to give your child happiness with a loving family!

    • Michelle Erb

      Carrying a baby through nine months and then adopting it out is not as simple as you make it out to be:

      A woman must change her eating and drinking and give up
      smoking and drugs that she may be addicted to at risk of criminal
      prosecution. She may need to give up medicine she requires for
      her mental or physical health and in some cases she may need to postpone cancer treatments.

      Many women become very ill and miss work or have to stop their
      education. For some, living at the edge, missing even one day will cost
      them their jobs and may lead to homelessness and even the loss of the
      actual living children they are already raising.

      Studies show that many women become stuck in abusive relationships
      because of pregnancy.. Once the baby is born they also face pressure
      from their family to keep what now is a living and breathing fully
      formed child.

      Despite the romanticism of adoption many of those children are not particularly grateful to someone who in their perception has abandoned them. And not all adoption stories are “happy ever after” ones. Moreover, once an actual child is born, many women simply cannot go through with an adoption, and the cycle of poverty is perpetuated for another generation.

      Adoption is not always even an option. They are not all the healthy
      white children that some married couple is just begging to adopt.

      Millions of children are languishing in the foster care system. In
      many cases because evangelicals, along with telling women what they must do with their bodies, have also decided that it is better for a certain
      kind of child to be stuck in the foster care system than to risk that a
      more “perfect child” could end up raised by homosexuals and/or single
      parents. http://www.dailykos.com/story/

  • nought

    The difference between the D.C. Abortion Fund (DCAF) propaganda methodology and Nina Burleigh’s propoganda methodology is simply one of taste.

  • TomanJeri Giddens

    I don’t believe in abortion. But like I said it is up to the person! Not for your bulling attitude!

    • ProLifeDynasty

      That is what many said in the times of slavery, “I don’t believe in slavery, but it is up to slave master billy to whip as he pleases!”

  • TomanJeri Giddens

    It should not matter what color their skin is it is how they do their job. He could be blue for all I care but sounds like to me you have the problem with skin color. He is harming our nation and if you can’t see that than you are not looking he is making a big mess and people do not want to vote any more they wanna leave the country which is very sad that is not how our forefathers have intended it to be. No more excuse for him he is terrible and Hillary is going to be even worse!!!!!!!

  • fuck palin

    sarah palin – should of been aborted

    • ProLifeDynasty

      And you can’t spell for shit, moron (it’s ‘should’ve).

      • fuck palin

        No it is not, go back to grade school you inbred hick. I meant should of been, not should have been, you ignorant prick.

  • davids64

    Why, that is EXACTLY how I feel about the Crucifixes that so many Christians enjoy wearing!

    How ironic: An instrument of TORTURE being worn proudly by so many people who CLAIM to revere the values and morals of Jesus Christ! Don’t you have any concern for the many tens of thousands of people (some of whom were ancestors of mine) who were MURDERED on the cross that these “Christians” now proudly wear as a symbol of LOVE?!?!?!?

    But that is okay, of course! Because there is no hypocrite like a conservative Christian hypocrite! THEY get to do things that OTHER PEOPLE are forbidden to do!

    • nought

      Do you have any idea how disconnected your logical sequences are?

      You say, today’s Christians (of whom I am NOT one), should be concerned because the symbol of the instrument, The Cross, they believe was the vehicle to their salvation, Christ’s Sacrifice, is displayed. The cross was an instrument of torture by the Romans (Italians according to Rev Wright) and other ancient people, including the Jews. See Alexander Jannaeus.

  • Chris Gauthier

    Abortion enthusiasts? Really?
    What dishonesty.

    The pendants are a reminder of what women should never have to go back to. They aren’t there to celebrate abortions, they’re there to remind us that safe medical treatment should always be available.

  • Александър Петков

    When will Bristol stand with the women who have been raped (and worse, incestual rape) or die if they do give birth? When will Bristol start discussing contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancies? Republicans talk a good game about taking care of children after birth (like adoption), yet most adoptions these days are for foreign babies. Teach responsibility Bristol, not hate and try to come up with some original material – your stuff is as old as your mom’s boob job.

    • Tred

      That’s not a boob job…. Just occassional stuffing.

      • nought

        The FLOTUS might try it to offset her Holstein sized AObamass.

        • Tred

          Wow, that’s some some disrespect there nought…. For our First Lady and the female shape. Michelle Obama actually has a great figure and is heathy, fit and strong. And all natural. Unlike Sarah Pslin who in recent years has lost her feminine curves to starving herself or whatever, and the only curves she has now are when she puts in the falsies sometimes. But hey, maybe you prefer women shaped like boys with fake boobs. Maybe

    • Cindy Carlson Johnson

      When will Planned Parenthood stop covering for pimps and pedophiles when they bring a young woman in for an abortion?

  • mike

    You know the phrase “they wear their heart of their sleeves?” Well, I guess DC feminists love to wear death on their necks.
    ….so do Christians.

  • Freebird4

    I love the irony. Stop restricting abortion access so women don’t have to resort to coat hangers. The mouth-flapping conservatives simply don’t understand much of anything. The wearing of the symbol is a statement against the deaths of countless
    women who were denied (mostly by men) from making a safe, medically supervised choice about their own bodies.

    Oh and btw, I seem to remember seeing crucifixes being worn around peoples necks, your mother a perfect example. She always wears HUGE CRUCIFIXES around her neck and HIPS. Why don’t you invoke your same disdain for that symbol? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind the crucifix. It’s FAKE Christians I can’t stand.

    • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

      Ugh..spoken like a true secular humanist post feminist ahole..

  • Ashley Marie Ostrowski

    Ah this is supposed to be a warning that if you restrict abortion access women will turn to dangerous and desperate means.

    • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

      So I guess the horror recently exposed in one clinic headed by Gosnell was what? Fantasy?? Good grief, I can’t say anything else I feel like I want to vomit by all these pro abortion, “oh my body” pseudo feminist infanticide loving freaks..good luck ladies…I’m out of here..I don’t like the company..ciao..

      • Ashley Marie Ostrowski

        What Gosnell did can never and should never be justified but I’m looking at the women. How alone do you think those women were who turned to Gosnell? How desperate were they to think that horrible, filthy place was their only option? Maybe if Semika Shaw and Karnamaya Mongar had been able to get proper care earlier they would still be alive.

  • GoFig

    The coat hanger symbolizes that legal abortion makes abortion safe… making it illegal means reverting to the barbaric coat hangers of women’s history.

    • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

      Wow, are you serious?? Has humanity become this disengaged with the divinity of life?? I find this absolutely disgusting as a woman; we should be protecting life not defiling it…God have mercy on us all..

      • GoFig

        No.. humanity in the United States.. a little over 40 years ago.. became engaged with the “divinity” of women’s lives and passed a law allowing for safe abortions. We realized then and also now that making abortion illegal does not stop abortions, it just makes them unsafe for the women who get them. If you really are so worried about “protecting life and not defiling it” then you must first look to those who have been born and need your God’s mercy and stop obsessing about the choices women and their doctors make about what is happening within their bodies.

        • Justmeandmyopinion

          Their (our) bodies are not their (our) bodies. We belong to a Higher Power!

          • GoFig

            . your beliefs in a higher power do not over ride a persons right to choose what do with their (our) bodies. If your “Higher Power” doesn’t like abortion than your “Higher Power” should do something about it and not expect our government to do the will of your “higher power”.

          • Justmeandmyopinion

            He already laid it all out in black and white. It’s up to us to believe it or not. I choose to believe the Word of God because there is hope to come. Do you think we have any hope down here being ruled by such foolish kings? Not hardly….

          • GoFig

            I am glad your religion helps to guide your life… but you cannot expect it to guide our politics unless you are prepared to let ALL religions rules decide our politics. We left the theocracy of England to come to America for religious freedom.. careful what you wish for or we will inevitably live to repeat the mistakes of the past.

          • Justmeandmyopinion

            I fear One God! I have no doubt! Like I said, people can choose either way, I will not judge them! It’s quite a difficult choice to make. My point from the beginning was, there’s got to be an opposition of everything. It has always been that way. It’s a good thing! Hateful people, not a good thing!

          • GoFig

            You have the freedom to fear whatever God you choose. You do not have freedom to force others to fear your God. If you think government should have that right, today it will work in your favor, but in the future, the tide can turn the opposite direction. Our forefathers knew this. Today’s Christians choose to ignore the freedoms they have by trying to restrict peoples rights in the name of their religion. You favor a path that could turn against you in the future. Careful what you wish for.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Religious freedom??? Hello…that’s on the way out or haven’t you noticed? We are now in the sinister embrace of Allah…good luck with that…

          • Tred

            What Angela?????? How are we in the embrace of Allah? Don’t confuse Christianity losing its place if privledges in this country to another taking it.

          • Michelle Erb

            You guys are so afraid of “Sharia” law yet if you had your way you would run this country the same way so many Muslim countries run their own: outlawing homosexuality and pre-marital sex, expanding the death penalty, having state sponsored religion, etc.

            The only problem is that is Iran is downright liberal when it comes to family planning, so you would have to be more extreme than they are

            Btw “Allah” is the same god you claim to believe in. The Muslims even respect Jesus as a “prophet.”

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Are u nutz? Allah IS NOT my God, don’t get confused on this issue..Allah is Satan/Lucifer/god of war & destruction..He’s created NOTHING!! Oh wow, well goodie goodie, Muslims respect Jesus as a prophet..HE”S the SON OF GOD…Lord have mercy. Unbelievable.

          • Michelle Erb

            So you do not believe in the Abrahamic god of the Old Testament?

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Listen Michelle, I realize you believe you are inordinately slick but spare yourself a verbal beating okay? I believe in the One True God, our Creator, the Prime Mover, the Uncaused Cause, the Alpha and Omega our Triune Father..not Allah/Satan. Here’s another pearl, there are no virgins allocated to Islam’s Muslim. Heaven IS NOT a sexual paradise where a Muslim maintains a harem. That is a Satanic lie along w/ being one of the most heretical, secular, material existentially based literal pornography I have had the misfortune of hearing. Your god may be Allah..mine is God the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. Totally opposite to one another..Allah being the representation of non creative destruction and mimicry, God the Father being the Creator of all. Wake up before it’s too late..and stop trying to corrupt other minds. I leave you with this truth..the virtue of the devil is in his loins..think about that implication.

          • Michelle Erb

            If there really were an all powerful god and a Devil they would have to be the same being. Pretty sure I know which one would have destroyed the world with a flood, told King Saul to destroy the babies and even animals of his enemy, approved slavery, and, encouraged the inquistions, pogroms, and crusades.

            Seems like the Muslims would have an equal case to argue that the Christian god is the devil. Think about that before you judge everyone else so quickly.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            “If there were really..”?? No Michelle YOU think about it..Obviously you’ve never had a supernatural experience..or an experience w/ the demonic. If you had you wouldn’t make asinine comments like your last one. Let me say this, even a gambler would take the safe 50% on this extremely important, INFINITELY important issue. Don’t believe & after death you find God does not exist..what’s your loss? Nothing, you’ve probably lived a fairly integral, satisfying, positive life..on the other side, this wrong choice spins u into infinite misery, one u haven’t the mentality 2 even imagine. The daemonic does in fact exist, Absolute Good (God) and absolute evil (Lucifer) DO EXIST. Think about this a moment regarding social chaos theory w/ my twist on it. W/ a humanity; which seeks answers, truths, evidence and is generally given none (most is reliant on faith or lack there of), borne into finite life not knowing its purpose, value or even its source in creation, must remain in chaos until those INTRINSIC questions are SUCCESSFULLY ANSWERED… Unsuccessful adaptations result in a myriad of unfortunates, including pathological neurosis, false self images, personality disorders, pathological narcissism, psychopathy etc. etc…it’s up to the individual, just as salvation is individual and not this liberation theology bs maintaining a social salvation. The call to arms of every secular humanist, right up to this current anti pope.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Stupid ideology and stupid post..

          • Michelle Erb

            “the virtue of the devil is in his loins.”
            If you really think sexuality is the most evil thing in the world you have real issues. Your Biblical god certainly did not have a problem with it. Solomon was considered quite pious with his hundreds of wives and concubines.

            Since the Muslims laws about sexuality and modesty in this world are so strict you should actually respect them. They even abhor homosexuality more than you do.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            How in the world did you glean an opposition to sexuality as an evil from my post? Sex is NOT A PART OF HEAVEN was my contextual comment. As for Solomon, he fell away so save that insipid lie as well. You have the problem Michelle..you twist context and words to suit your position, but you fail heavily at it. If you love Sharia and Islamists so much then get out of our nation and follow them. Muslims protect pedophilia you dolt..do some research for crying out loud. When a Muslim woman is raped she’s blamed for it ON ALL OCCASIONS..Muslim men are not held responsible. Apparently they can’t control themselves, nor can they take any responsibility for RAPE..U idiot, including the rape of children. How about this…do some actual research and use your dim witted mind to draw LOGICAL conclusions instead of falling flat on your face with your insane posts. Wow, if this is the position of most women in this country, then we are floating down SH*T river w/o a boat or a paddle. Good job, attempting to infect others w/ your pro Sharia, pro death, pro rape, anti woman ideologies..Crazy person, get on some meds..asap…

          • Michelle Erb

            How silly of me, to somehow overlook that Muslims molest children whereas the follower’s of Jesus have never committed pedophilia much less protected the offenders. My bad.

            Seriously? You care calling out another religion for pedophilia?! It is not just the Catholic church. There has also been widespread pedophilia among evangelical missionaries that was covered up to “protect the missions. ” And let us not forget the Mormon sects’ child brides. However, since I do not possess a hateful heart like yours, I would never use those horrors to paint all Christians with the same brush.

            I am certainly not a Muslim. I am just calling out the prejudiced hypocrite before me.

            Do you really look in the mirror and see a pious person? And not someone who is just full of hate and prejudice against others?. There is nothing you can say against Islam that can not be applied to the followers of every single religion, especially your own. So many horrors lie at the feet of the church, because they have had power for so long. Inquisition, crusades, pogroms, holocaust, kill-the gays bill. etc.

            This I know. If there were a just god, he would reward all people for being good, especially those who do so without the expectation of some heavenly reward .Considering how many different religions there are, if a creator were so petty that he required everyone to magically choose the correct one, regardless of where and when they were born, your odds would be a lot worse than 50/50, but more like religious lotto. If you did not have the great fortune to be born to the winning religion, I cannot imagine Allah or any of the hundreds of gods humans have worshiped throughout history, will be pleased with the hate you have allowed into yourself. Biblical Jesus would certainly not be pleased with your hate filled soul.

            With or without religion, good people will mostly do good and bad people will mostly so bad. But religion has a power like no other convince good people to do evil.

          • Michelle Erb

            The church’s record on women is horrendous as well. It was not long ago that women were not allowed to own property and were required to stay with abusive husbands (who were protected by the church). The Bible was used to defend slavery and to defend segregation, anti-miscegenation laws, and many other forms of discrimination. Even today Christians posting on these blogs are arguing that women should not even be allowed to have an abortion to save their own life.

            Do not even get me started on the problem of “Christian” males committing rape in this country. I am not aware of any “Muslims” that videotape their gang rapes and post them online. Let me know when Muslim rapists are defended by their entire town so that they can keep playing football..

            From the outside looking in you sound ridiculous judging Muslims.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Silly no, excruciatingly radical yes. Stop defending Islam by pointing the finger elsewhere. Bad people infect all areas unfortunately, and in my opinion any and all pederasts should be castrated for pedophilia. Priests are not applauded for this horrifying practice, they are disgusting men who’ve lost their souls and should be condemned for it. Muslims do this exponentially, daily, en force, and are NEVER held accountable. On the contrary the victim is held as the guilty party whether it’s a child or a woman..beheading, excoriation, stoning..or any like measure is the general application against THE VICTIM. If you are so blackened in your heart and soul that you continue this filthy defense of these animals, this malignant culture, than that is your own problem. Eventually you will pay for it, in this life or the next, that is just the way the moral code works. By the way, nice try at the bait and switch but you are easily readable as an ill led, maladjusted, amoral liberal witch..who should be arrested for impersonating a human. You are clearly a representative of everything wrong with this once great nation..you do not deserve to live free..instead you should live as a Muslim woman is FORCED to live. A captive in her own country, unable to speak her mind, have an opinion, forced to walk the world in fear that by EXPOSING her FACE OR NECK she might stimulate some Muslim male freak into raping her..and suffer for it afterward. That is what you deserve, and it wouldn’t bother me in the least if you received it. I believe only then would you be willing to admit your defense of these Sharia practices, as well as the practice in the production of halal..another disgusting feature of this filthy culture, is inordinately vile. At any rate, I would appreciate no further responses from you.. I would rather believe women like you are few and far between, existing in areas behind, beneath or around….which oddly enough is the same nature of supernatural and human evil.

          • Michelle Erb

            All that hate because I do not think a billion and a half Muslims are all evil and I recognize that they believe in the same Old Testament Creator god of Abraham that you claim to follow.

            Did you get all that hate in church?

          • Michelle Erb

            Your modern sensibilities regarding rape do not stem from the archaic Biblical teachings that you share with the Muslims. The ten commandments certainly do not say “Thous shall not rape or child Molest” For nearly two thousand years the church also followed the Biblical law regarding rapes and blamed the victim unless there were two witnesses present. Moreover, “justice” for a rape victim was marrying her rapist and paying off her father.

            Fortunately Western Christians have allowed secular morality to override their biblical teachings on this matter as well as polygamy, slavery and “race mixing,” although we still struggle with the “boys will be boys” idea and blaming the victim.

            While Muslim countries are still far behind because they have less secular influence, the women in those countries have also been standing up for their rights and many are moving forward quickly.. Iran is already far more liberal on reproduction and family planning than the modern Catholic church.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Take a pill idiot..no take a few of them..maybe when you awake you’ll have escaped your obvious mental condition..

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Ummm they protect homosexuals as well..moron.

          • Michelle Erb

            Muslims “protect homosexuals.” Where on earth did you get that ignorant idea?

            Don’t tell me. You think the President is a homosexual, Muslim, fascist, communist who was born in Kenya?

          • Michelle Erb

            Where on earth did you come up with the ignorant idea that Muslims “protect homosexuals”?

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            A little thing you should know about..it’s called research you twit..I’ve finally decided you just post bs to create argument..

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Are your brain cells on a diet or something? Research Mukhannath, research Bacha Bazi Boys (boys as young s 11 used for sex and entertainment..(Afganistan Muslim sex trafficking ), research Al Faitha Foundation to begin with..much more evidence on this subject. Homosexual intercourse is legal in 5 Muslim dominated countries: Jordan, Albania, Turkey, Bahrain & Mali. Additionally close to half of the Muslim population (of ALL Muslims) marry and are encouraged to marry 1st cousins…that’s called inbreeding. They are currently crucifying cats and dogs and nailing them to Christian churches..so I guess you endorse that Islamic ‘peaceful’ response too. Islam endorses beastiality too..it has certain RULES regarding its PRACTICE..even the animals aren’t safe with these evil ones..and most likely you too.

          • Michelle Erb

            Your religion has no problem with marrying first cousins. It is only in modern history that secular laws were created to prevent genetic diseases. It is even still legal in some states. Christian royalty married cousins until fairly recently and it was still common among Southern Christians in this country during the nineteenth century. Bestiality is still legal in Kentucky and a Christian Republican candidate recently gave a stump speech at a cock fight.

            Once again do you seriously want to start pointing fingers about religious organizations conspiring to protect pedophiles?

            Again I do not point out these things to bash Christianity or to support Islam, instead I am pointing out that all organized religions have bad and good. You choose to see only the bad in Islam and only the good in Christianity.

            Anyone with a true open mind and knowledge of history understands that our founding fathers established the separation of church and state to protect both.

          • Michelle Erb

            So the fact that five countries with a large Muslim population do not outlaw homosexuality leads you to the conclusion that the Muslim religion “protects homosexuality”? (If only)

            What about the Muslim Theocracies where it is a serious crime?

            So tell me, if you could make the law, what punishment would you impose for homosexuality in America?

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Hey ahole..I did not say sex was an evil..I said sex does not exist in Heaven..Solomon was not godly, he fell, read about it sometime. Muslims believe children who are raped are responsible for the rape..and by the way they are committing this crime, particularly against Christians now..along w/ many of their own CHILDREN>>BOYS & GIRLS. They have stated repeatedly (Imams) that infidels (non-Muslims) deserve persecution to death, particularly beheading, rape and human destruction..what of honor killings?? You are a completely cancerous person hell bent on supporting ANYTHING that implies Christian values. Wow..you are in such infinite danger but honestly, after all these responses from you..I think you really deserve it. Good luck and bring an AC..I hear it’s mighty hot where you’re heading you loon.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Let me explain that duality w/ regard to Satanic versus Christian philosophy…virtue satanically is sexual..this endorses human trafficking, pornography, pedophilia, rape..and all ABERRENT sexual behaviors. Understand? Satanism moves in contrast, opposite.. The above mentioned behaviors are offshoots of that very phrase..the VIRTUE of the devil is in his loins..the general satanic view on sex is “do as thou wilt”..go for it, do whatever you want sexually. Wake the heck up and stop your championing of these things or just revert to Islam in total and get the hell out of this country. You are anti American, anti Christian, anti God, pro death..a real piece of work. Put on your Burka and move ..please!!

          • Michelle Erb

            Actually you are the one who should leave. I love what this country stands for – especially diversity and separation of church and state. You should move to a theocracy.

          • Michelle Erb

            I am not sure why you insist on calling me Muslim just because I call out your hypocrisy and prejudice. I am of Jewish heritage, and I recognize your hateful rhetoric. The way you now talk about Muslims is how your people used to talk about and dehumanize the Jews. That is what led to Pogroms and eventually the Holocaust.

            Thank you for the reminder that mankind is still full of hate and prejudice.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            My Biblical God is yours too..you just choose to honor Muhammed (pedophile) and Allah (Satan).

          • GoFig

            Angela… you are still free to practice your religion and to label another person’s god “sinister”. You are practicing your freedom by what you posted. You are not allowed to restrict other people’s freedoms because of your personal belief system. Get it? Of course not. Keep your belief system out of women’s bodies and out of my government.

          • Tred

            Exactly gofig

          • Michelle Erb

            “He laid it out in black and white”? Really!? Strange how many biblical scholars disagree with that.

            The Bible correlates “life” to the ability to draw breath.
            The Bible’s definition of murder does not include abortions. The old testament sets out 613 laws, none prohibiting abortion. It even calls for an adulteress to suffer a ritual which will destroy anything in her womb. The law on an attack that causes a miscarriage, is that the penalty is for a property crime if the woman herself is not “harmed.”

            Rabbis, who are old testament experts, have always ruled that a woman’s well being always takes priority over a fetus. If her health is in danger, in the Jewish religion, it is a no brainer. You abort.

            Jews do value pregnancy because of the command to be “fruitful and multiply” but they do not consider abortion murder.

            Jesus did not even allegedly mention abortion even though they were common among the Romans of that time.

            So hardly “black and white.”

          • Justmeandmyopinion

            Okay then, kill away!!!! Worship the world we live in. Let us all do whatever we want to our bodies and so forth…… I don’t criticize anyone who chooses, but when I hear many girls brag on how many abortions they have gotten on and on… It is very sad. Someone needs to stop women from careless lifestyles (I am not saying all women who have gotten an abortion falls into this category) whether you choose to take the bible out of context or not.

          • GoFig

            Last time I checked, your God has never written anything in black or white. Men wrote a book and called it the bible. I appreciate that have the right to live your life by it’s rules, but you do not have a right to make the rest of the country “believe” what you “choose” to believe.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Not an AA like higher power..the Creator, God, the Holy Father, the Uncaused Cause, the Prime Mover..the One who will ultimately judge all of us…unfortunately you haven’t ‘evolved’ enough to accept the truth..you’d rather stay in some Darwinian primordial ooze fallacy I suppose, while you embrace this material existential philosophy that should have been destroyed eons ago..All I can say is I’m glad I am not you, and I don’t have the horrifying responsibility of millions of infant deaths on my conscience and my eternal soul..

          • GoFig

            And I am equally happy that I am not you. I have “evolved” to think for myself with facts to “judge” what is right and wrong and don’t hide behind a religion to pass judgement about people’s decisions that have nothing to do with me. P.S. Last time I checked… never has an “infant” been aborted. Only fetuses. Look it up. There is a difference. Get your head out of a 2,000 year old book of fair tales and try to conduct an educated debate without resorting to the use of a “belief” system that doesn’t exist without your “belief”. You are free to believe what ever you choose. You are not free to force your beliefs on everyone around you. :)

          • GoFig

            You can belong to whatever you choose. You don’t have the right to force others to believe what you choose to believe.

        • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

          Spare me your liberal political jargon..you and I both know legalizing abortion at this level, including the monstrous late term abortion, encourages rather than discourages pre-marital sex, promiscuity and the unfortunate unwanted pregnancy ending in death. You can try to hang all the little political smiley faces you want on this travesty, it still does not change the results. There is quite an industry revolving around aborted parts, there is also the filth of corruption & profit which nullifies any humane component parading the “we own our own bodies..” nonsense. Congratulations on supplanting the Fascist dilaect we face today with genetically manipulated ‘designer babies’..already deemed a plus by deluded wound be parents, who think the techno god is the alpha and omega. We heard this same craziness once, and that was under the Mengele Dr. Death scenario during WW11..and now unfortunately again. Yes history does repeat itself, and man is still too self interested and narcissistic to admit it.

          • GoFig

            And spare me your doom and gloom religious self righteous ideology. The fact still remains that you do not have the right to tell another human what they can do with their body no matter how “Fascist” you are able to twist your logic into believing those personal rights and freedoms are. Stop worrying about whether people are having sex. It’s none of your business. Don’t like abortions? You have the freedom not to have one. If you really want to twist the logic, if you believe that government should have the right to tell women they cannot have an abortion than you must also accept that government should be able to force a woman to have an abortion. Who’s the fascist now? Freedom of choice works both ways. Lack of freedom can cut both ways too. Get a clue.

    • nought

      Gee, I’ve searched the internet for objectively verifiable statistics related to coat hanger abortions and they are as rare as Obama’s school records, …..that be, non-existent….. but I am open to presentations . Your sources, you offer the contention of “barbaric coat hangers” …. kinda like the Tolkien Gulf evidence, alluded to but not proved.

      • GoFig

        Really? You think that abortions were not happening before they were legal and that unsafe practices were not used to implement them? And you honestly think a statistician was keeping track of abortions that women were hiding and doing in secret? You’re not too bright are you?

        • nought

          You said coat-hangers AObama, don’t you remember?

          • GoFig

            You’ve shown your IQ by bringing Obama into the debate. Perhaps you would like to say “Benghazi” a few hundred times in trying to make yourself seem relevant.

          • nought

            Will you accept Putin instead?

          • GoFig

            ..and they say it’s the liberals who are “crazy”… thanks for contradicting that myth.

      • Michelle Erb

        How is it possible that the women of the 40’s 50’s and 60’s etc forgot to blog about their coat hanger abortions? And Obama’s schools did not even post his grades on the internet? What!?

        Seriously, ask any woman over 60 about coat hanger abortions and they will tell you.

        Also if you are actually trying to claim that Obama was not born in this country, you can actually find two contemporaneous records of his birth. Do your really think false stories were planted in Hawaiian newspapers of the time, because his parents thought their bi-racial child whom they names “Barack” could some day be president? It certainly was not necessary for citizenship, since his mother was an American citizen he could be born anywhere in the world and still b ea citizen. Does it even bother you that you come across as a crazy person?

      • ProLifeDynasty

        *It’s truly sad how the pro-aborts seethe w/rage@the threat of saving unborn human beings. They are a reminder of the slavemasters that wanted to keep abusing their slaves because these cowards lied through their teeth and said the black slaves were not ‘persons,’ either. Abortion=modern day civil rights atrocity.

    • Justmeandmyopinion

      How can any type of abortion be safe to any beating heart? I would never be cruel to anyone. I do believe many mothers wouldn’t choose an abortion if there was a better way for people to be able to adopt. I am not saying that I know the perfect way, but this country should be able to come with something better than abortions.

    • Bob

      wow- someone who does not have their head in the sand.

    • Cindy Carlson Johnson

      Really? Then why do women still die having “legal” abortions?

      • GoFig

        Women still die from brain tumors even though it’s legal to operate to remove them… but if you made it illegal… MORE would die… get it?

  • ProLifeDynasty

    WOMEN DESERVE BETTER than abortion. abortion KILLS an unborn HUMAN BEING and emotionally MAULS his/her mother. BREAK THE CHAINS of abortion! ABOLISH abortion—NOW!!!

    • nolaredhead

      You want to stop abortions? Support birth control & sex education. Stop being part of the problem.

      • Cindy Carlson Johnson

        Maybe as a society we should start valuing LIFE instead!

        • ProLifeDynasty

          It’s truly sad how the pro-aborts seethe w/rage@the threat of saving unborn human beings. They are a reminder of the slavemasters that wanted to keep abusing their slaves because these cowards lied through their teeth and said the black slaves were not ‘persons,’ either. Abortion=modern day civil rights atrocity.

          • Zoey0728

            Absolute ignorance. That is all you are spewing.

            What are you doing about the 1 in 5 children who are already alive and who go to bed hungry every night?

          • ProLifeDynasty

            ABSOLUTE 0=your pro-choice to KILL unborn HUMAN BEINGS.

            Your lame rant is a BIG FAT LIE, just like abortion.
            NO EXCUSES to KILL unborn HUMAN BEINGS.
            Your rant of death is over:AMERICA=PROLIFE MAJORITY.

            BTW: Did ya hear about the—PROLIFE VICTORY in the great state of TEXAS!!!:D

          • Zoey0728

            I am not the one who is ranting. You’ve become absolutely unhinged. You are a frightening person.

          • ProLifeDynasty

            You are 1of the pro-aborts that is ranting because America=ProLife MAJORITY. Boo!

        • Zoey0728

          Why don’t you value the lives that are already here? 1 in 5 children go to bed hungry at night. Are you doing anything about that?

      • Tred

        ….. And healthcare reform, employment law reform, etc….

      • ProLifeDynasty

        America=PROLIFE MAJORITY.
        GTFO of the way, and watch AMERICANS ABOLISH the KILLING of unborn HUMAN BEINGS—in our generation.

        • Zoey0728

          Actually, the most recent poll taken by the Wall Street journal says that the majority of Americans want Roe vs Wade to stand.

          • ProLifeDynasty

            Factually—you’re wrong. Never trust a pro-abort that champions the killing of unborn human beings. Link.

          • Zoey0728

            Where’s the link to prove your contention that there is a ‘prof-life’ (ha, as evangelicals believe the death penalty is right) majority in the US.

      • ProLifeDynasty

        Actually, our generation WILL ABOLISH the KILLING of unborn HUMAN BEINGS. YOU are the PROBLEM unless you STOP LYING to women by taking advantage of their vulnerable state and preying on them by denying them the whole unadulterated truth that abortion KILLS their unborn child&emotionally MAULS his/her mother.

  • ProLifeDynasty

    This ‘hanger’ trash is not only tacky, but it is misogynist and highly offensive to women. This trash mockery of women and their intelligence symbolizes nothing but insult to women. THE ‘hanger’ make-believe is another WOMEN-HATING, PRO-ABORT LIE. The demonic pro-aborts have ABSOLUTELY NO evidence of the ‘hanger’ LIE.

    • Bob

      Wow- your ignorance is amazing! ” ‘hanger’ make-believe” You obviously do not know anything of history or as a typical right winger you have buried your head in the sand so as not see the truth. Go tell the families of the women who died because of coat hanger abortions that it was all “make believe”.
      Go back to church and keep promoting your hate and lust for violence. Sick.

      • Cindy Carlson Johnson

        Why don’t you go talk to the families of women who have died from “legal” abortions, or talk to the women who have been maimed by the likes of Kermit Gosnell & that lovely abortion Dr. in TX who would twist the heads off of babies. Perhaps you could talk to the family of the young woman who was allowed to bleed out on the table at the abortion clinic in Chicago after going in for a late term abortion. Abortions are not “safe” and you are foolish to think they are. Do you think coat hangers are the only thing that can cause a perforated uterus??

        • Michelle Erb

          Gosnell preyed on poor black women who did not have easy access to excellent clinics like planned parenthood. They missed the ball in letting it go on so long. Every pro-choice person in this country would join you in fishing out and removing the Gosnell’s of this world. If you spent less time trying to close planned parenthood and started applying the laws we all agreed upon, someone could have figured out what was going on there.

          But have no doubt, now that Texas has closed down so many excellent clinics more Gosnells will emerge. Just in the few months since the clinics were driven out of Texas, the unplanned pregnancy rate has soared, and women report that they became pregnant because they lost access to contraception. Women are having even more abortions, they are just going to Mexico and taking pills on their own. So their lives are in more danger but you haven’t reduced abortions.

          You are so worried about making something illegal when it will happen anyway, that you are imposing the very kind of policies that make abortion more common. Please join the liberals in making sexual education and contraception more available and helping people out of poverty and the abortion rate will go down.

          Did you even know that before Obamacare many women could not even buy maternity overage through the private insurance market. Now every policy must cover prenatal care and delivery. Do you honesty think that won’t prevent some abortions along with creating healthier outcomes for all babies?

          • Cindy Carlson Johnson

            You don’t know much about Kermit Gosnell do you? He was in PA not TX and it wasn’t only poor Black women who went to his “clinic”. Maybe, just maybe when the city and state had all those complaints they should have SHUT HIM DOWN instead of ignoring them!! Douglas Karpen in TX would twist the heads off babies, now tell me WHY would these “Dr’s” find pleasure in keeping the remains of babies in jars or twisting off their heads? Why would an abortion clinic in Chicago leave a woman on a table to bleed out for 5 hours from a perforated uterus and do NOTHING? Quit making excuses for sick, twisted, deranged, greedy people in the name of “choice”.

            And did you know now that because of Obamacare people HAVE to have maternity coverage even when they no longer are capable of having children because of age?

          • Michelle Erb

            That was bothering me. I did not think Gosnell was in Texas but that has been said here a few times, by so called pro-lifers so I thought I was wrong. I should have researched it. Everything else I said stands.

            When you buy insurance it covers a lot of things you will never need. I will never need Viagra, penis pumps or a prostrate exam.

            Do you really want insurance companies to be able to deny coverage for maternity? Do you not even realize how many abortions that causes? You really are not pro-life are you?

        • Bob

          Cute. Never said it was safe- typical, put words in someone else’s mouth so you can prove an inane and factually inaccurate statement. All to justify your beliefs. In reality the few instances you talk of are statistically insignificant compared to the numbers of women maimed, tortured and murdered in the CH days. That being said it is you prove my point- you lust for violence and torture because instead of correcting these few circumstances you wish to go back to the days when 1,000’s upon 1,000’s were tortured every year. How sad. wonder when Jesus started teaching such hate and violence. The Jesus I know does not- the anti-Christ on the other hand does.

      • ProLifeDynasty

        WOW—I don’t give a rat’s ass wtf you think, leftard boob.

        Btw, got any links to your “history”?—Yeah, didn’t think so. OTL

        Go back to your hole, women-hating boob, and crawl out when….just stay there.

        • Bob

          Your rant proves my point- thanks for showing you ignorance intolerance and lust for hate and violence.
          Truth hurts eh?

          • ProLifeDynasty

            Bobby, it is your hateful, misogynist LIE that deplorably displays YOUR own point: you think it’s ok for moms to kill their unborn offspring that will emotionally maul them for the rest of their lives(you don’t even need my help!).
            Don’t thank me for your uneducated&embarrassing improper use of English grammar, your vitriol towards women&your sick&twisted lust for death of unborn human beings. Face the truth, bobby, and it will less painful for you. Capisce?(rhetorical question)

          • Bob

            Again- thanks for proving my point that you are so blinded by your hate and ignorance that you are completely blind. Go and LEARN the Bible. Oh yea, I like how you couldn’t even come up with your response and instead just used my wording. LOL!

          • ProLifeDynasty

            You’re not welcome, bobby. One day soon your eyes will be forced open&you will finally see what a miserable failure your vitriol for unborn human beings and denial of the truth have greatly misled you. You have been played.OTL!!!

    • fuck palin

      You are a completely ignorant asshole! How in the blue hell did you graduate high school? Oh wait, I bet you got knocked up and didn’t graduate, because your dumbass didn’t use birth control. Go back to trolling you ignorant piece of shit.

      • ProLifeDynasty

        STFU, S4B SOB!

  • Michelle Erb

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/21/dc-abortion-fund-coat-hanger_n_5008010.html The organization is grateful to Bristol for spreading the word of their mission. Apparently, thinking people immediately understand what the hanger represents.

    • nought

      Why? Is Obama and Reggie in Love?

      • GoFig

        I think Nought is in love with Obama… can’t seem to type a comment without bringing up his lovers name.

        • Bob

          LOL!

    • Bob

      So they chose an uneducated barefoot talentless hack to be their spoke person?!! Stupid is as stupid does.

      • Michelle Erb

        Bristol and Breitbart self volunteered to spread the word. According to the article, since they decided to spin this as something ugly, the campaign has gotten a ton of publicity and many more women have been coming forward to receive funding for early abortions.

        Apparently they have been giving out the necklaces for four years, but until Bristol and Breitbart decided to publicize it few women knew the funding was available.

        • Bob

          Again- well put. Bristol and Breitbart are nothing but self absorbed ‘look at me’ types. Folks like Bristol who lack education will spit on those more educated because they fear what they don’t know. Sad.

          • Michelle Erb

            Bristol’s attack on Wendy Davis was the perfect example of that.

  • https://soundcloud.com/peter-stocking-2/tracks Peter Stocking

    I honestly can’t believe that someone thinks that the
    government has the right to tell a woman what she should do with her own body….disgusting!

    • nought

      They tell men to sign up for the draft, tell the military to go and die; tell citizens to sign up for ObamaCareLess, tell cake makers to make cakes for same sex wedding, etc As you say…….. Disgusting.

      • GoFig

        We haven’t had the draft for as many years as abortion has been legal.. The ACA is a tax the same as Social Security and death and taxes are inevitable. Arizona already allows a cake maker to discriminate against gays.. so your points are completely moot.

        • nought

          1. “The last time the draft was implemented its was by the Progressive/Liberal Democrats in the Sixties. They are not trustworthy you know.”

          2. “The ACA is a tax the same as Social Security and death and taxes are inevitable”. …. You left out ” death by coat hanger”/S
          3. Arizona.. but not the Feds.
          I have left.

          • GoFig

            Time for your medication Nought.

      • https://soundcloud.com/peter-stocking-2/tracks Peter Stocking

        The items you listed do not even come close to the type of personal decision a woman has to make if she chooses to have an abortion. It is a deeply personal and intimate decision that the government has no right to be involved in. This has been Federal law for many years now. Why is the Republican party re-hashing an issue that was resolved years ago? The coat hangar is a perfect symbol against anti-abortion efforts, because that is what will happen to poor women if abortion is made illegal again. Why is that male lawmakers (and their female sycophants) think they have the right to dictate what a woman should do with her own reproductive system. Why don’t Republicans trust American women to make decisions about their own bodies? Maybe because they are so cynical and untrustworthy themselves?

        • Justmeandmyopinion

          Be thankful for opposition. Do you really think this country would be better off without a check and balance system?

        • nought

          Gee, IIRC the some Manhattan Black, a Democrat, wanted to reinstitute the draft for some reason when Bush was President. The last time the draft was implemented its was by the Progressive/Liberal Democrats in the Sixties. They are NOT trustworthy you know.
          I have left.

          • https://soundcloud.com/peter-stocking-2/tracks Peter Stocking

            The draft should be re-instated, it will make the GOP less willing to go to war since their children will actually be required to serve.

          • April Pummill

            But they usually have enough money to just buy their way out of it…

          • Cindy Carlson Johnson

            I’m guessing there are more Conservatives serving than there are Liberals.

          • Michelle Erb

            He wanted those who did not need to join the military to support themselves to think twice before starting a war. Ever hear of “Chicken hawks”? if certain privileged families, such as the Romneys and the Cheneys, actually had to worry that their children could go to war they might not start wars just to enrich each other.

        • Cindy Carlson Johnson

          Do you also know that many women regret their abortions? The thing about “women making decisions about their own bodies” is that we Conservatives see the other body involved and we also know about the emotional trauma that can come with having an abortion. These are things pro-aborts NEVER talk about and that Planned Parenthood never discusses.

          • Zoey0728

            Why don’t you start caring about the millions of children who are already here and go to bed hungry every night? Or the ones who do get the same educational opportunities? Or the ones who don’t have homes at all? We are not taking care the children that are already here. That is where your concern should be. Not for what deeply personal decision a woman makes about her pregnancy.

      • Michelle Erb

        No one says you have to sign up for Obamacare. An exchange was set up to give people options they did not have before. But you do not have to go there. The only thing you have to complain about is that if you can afford to have insurance but choose not to buy it, thus creating the risk that the rest of us will have to cover your hospital bills, you need to pay a small fine. Next year the maximum penalty is $95, and I doubt if you earn enough to owe it. (That idea came from a Republican think tank btw)

        Likewise you do not have to make a particular kind of cake, or carry a particular type of product, and in most states, including Arizona you can still even refuse to sell it to someone because they are gay. However, if your establishment is open to the public, you cannot refuse to serve someone based solely on their race or religion.

      • WeedKiller

        *This is “tolerance”—
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTgpKoeekTU

    • Bob

      That is the way of the Conservative “Christians”. They promote hate, intolerance., bigotry, torture and war. Everything the Devil Preaches the teach. It shows their disdain for the US Constitution as they believe they should dictate how others should live – no freedom to live as one chooses. And if you disagree watch how fast they turn to violence.

      • WeedKiller
        • Bob

          Really? That is the best you can produce? Someone sprayed them with pop? Oh the humanity!
          Tell me where they were tortured? Murdered? So they sprayed you with pop- what about the gay who was chained to a fence, tortured and then viciously beaten to death- because he was gay. Or how about the guy they dragged to death? Or the other numerous accounts of torture. beatings and murders of gays?
          That is acceptable in your book but heaven forbid they spray pop on you.,
          Thanks for pointing out your acceptance of murder and torture. Now go back to praising Satan.

          • WeedKiller

            When you refuse your insidious lying&hatred for Christians, so will your demon-worship stop.

    • Cindy Carlson Johnson

      Truth be told we prefer the Government stay OUT of our lives and that includes marriage but unfortunately those who want “freebies” such as, healthcare, birth control and other little government subsidies, think the Government is the answer to all their desires.

      • Tred

        Cindy how is the government in your marriage? It’s not. It has simply allowed others the same rights and privledges you and I have through marriage. And if you really wanted government out of our lives you wouldn’t be a Prolifer. Oh wait…. You mean you only want government to do what YOU want. Got it.

        • Cindy Carlson Johnson

          No, I want the government OUT of my bedroom, out of my marriage, out of my house! Don’t tell me what to eat, what to drink, who to have sex with, what car I can drive, how many guns I can have, how much electricity I can use and on and on.

          • Zoey0728

            Then you should stay out of other people’s lives and stop telling them what to do with their own bodies.

      • Michelle Erb

        I never wanted free healthcare. I wanted an end to the Republican policies which prevented me from joining up with others to be able to have the same insurance buying power that large corporations have.

        Corporations want us to have to get good insurance through them so that we have no choice but to be employees. For someone like me who was born with a birth defect, if I wanted to buy insurance that covered maternity I would have to work for a corporation, and then there might be a waiting period.

        Now with Obamacare, I have a platinum policy that I pay for 100%. I did not even have to go through healthcare.gov. You are really against this? You like paying huge healthcare costs because irresponsible people who choose not to have insurance could show up in the emergency room and we would all end up paying for it?

        Are you also against public roads, schools, fire departments etc? Did you realize every one of those things is “socialism?” It really is not a bad word. It just recognizes that sometimes it is better to do somethings as a society instead of an individual. It really is not the same as “Communism.”

        • Michelle Erb

          Did you know that Sandra Fluke was not asking for free birth control, or even birth control for sex.

          She testified that she herself paid fo her insurance policy. but because it was procured through her school, it would not cover contraception even though it covers Viagra..

          She spoke of many reasons that women use contraception for their health, not birth control. And for that she was attacked for weeks, called a slut, told she should have to do a porno and let everyone watch it. etc.

          Did you know that when a woman wants to become pregnant but has cysts, a doctor will prescribe contraceptives for a short time to help them regain their fertility? Many young virgins also take it because of debilitating side effects from their period. In many cases that will not be covered either, even though the woman pays for her policy, and men who paid even less have penis pumps covered.

          Do you correct the men who claim promiscuous women take more birth control than everyone else? Hopefully you speak up and tell them that virgins who take it for their health, take exactly one a day, just like the sexually active.

  • Justmeandmyopinion

    It’s okay to kill a baby when they become a nuisance, but it’s not okay to kill a dog or a cat when they become a nuisance (God forbid neither)?!@? Regardless what the mother chooses, I could never be so cruel as some of you people. Shame on you, be civilized. This is America full of hope for all beating hearts – right????

    • nought

      You are missing the point, babies in the womb, and for some minutes after they are partially free of the womb…… are not human beings. Kind of like some people considered African Americans before the enlightenment…. perhaps there is still hope….. if the Democrats don’t need the Abortion on Demand votes.

      • Justmeandmyopinion

        I thought I got the point. The point to me was/is a baby whether in the womb or not, it’s still a baby from conception it is known.

        • nought

          My sarcasm FAIL, my apologies.

          • Justmeandmyopinion

            I’m sorry, long day taking exams :)

      • TomanJeri Giddens

        They are alive they have a heartbeat!!!!

        • Marti Joyce

          But they cannot be ‘alive’ without the woman, stupid. Which means they are only a parasite.

          • WeedKiller

            Speak for yourself, PARASITE.

      • Cindy Carlson Johnson

        You’re lucky your Mom didn’t consider you non human.

        • nought

          My sarcasm FAIL, my apologies

  • ProLifeDynasty

    I honestly can’t believe that someone thinks that a bald-headed old geezer can speak for women! DESPICABLE!!!

    • Michelle Erb

      Which old geezer are you referencing? The legislators who are passing laws that interfere with decisions that should be between a woman and her doctor?

  • TomanJeri Giddens

    Well look what our president has done to our country. And it is One Nation under God!!!!

    • Marti Joyce

      Actually, the ‘under God’ part wasn’t added till 1954, idiot.

      • April Pummill

        In response to the Cold War, to inspire unity and also “us vs. them” mentality we needed to justify…well…anything, Particularly invasion of privacy for Americans to make sure they weren’t “dirty Commies.” Religion is, and perhaps always was, a political tool. If I heard voices I’d be locked up in an asylum. Back in the day? Just talkin’ to God. No biggie.

    • Warpde

      The President has nothing to do with it.
      Neither does your God.
      It’s the choice of the women involved.
      Not yours, mine, the President’s or your, so called. God,
      Get over it.
      You have no say in the matter of a Woman’s choice and you deserve none.

  • Bob

    More trite from an uneducated 10th grader.

  • Bob

    I also find it ironic that all you “Christians” here are talking about killing as an abomination. Yet it is you folks screaming for war every chance you get. What about all the millions you folks have caused to be murdered just to meet your lust for violence?
    You all preach hate, intolerance, bigotry, torture, murder and war. Everything the Devil teaches you preach. Hypocrisy at its finest.

    • Michelle Erb

      They are also failing to be stewards of the earth. They make jokes while more and more people die in extreme weather events thanks to global climate change. All they care about are the two things Jesus is never alleged to have mentioned -abortion and homosexuality, and the one thing he would not have supported- firearms. In the meantime they support every immoral policy bought and sold Republican legislators can come up with. Even the Pope thinks they have gone off the rails.

      • Cindy Carlson Johnson

        Do you honestly believe that WE can control the weather?? Seriously! How long do you think extreme weather events have been occurring? The past 50 years? The past 100? Maybe just since Al Gore got on the bandwagon & made his millions? The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination several times along with other sins such as adultery and stealing, and in case you don’t know your 10 Commandments the 6th one says “Thou shalt not murder”. As far as firearms you really have to grasp at straws don’t you?

        • Michelle Erb

          The Bible very clearly correlates “life” to the ability to draw breath. The Bible’s definition of murder does not include abortions. The old testament sets out 613 laws, none prohibiting abortion. It even calls for an adulteress to suffer a ritual which will destroy anything in her womb. The law on an attack that causes a miscarriage, is that the penalty is for a property crime if the woman herself is not “harmed.”
          Rabbis, who are old testament experts, have always ruled that a woman’s well being always takes priority over a fetus. If her health is in danger, in the Jewish religion, it is a no brainer. You abort.
          Traditional Jews do value pregnancy because of the command to be “fruitful and multiply” but they do not consider abortion murder.

          • Michelle Erb

            The old testament prohibits Homosexuality but Jesus never allegedly spoke of it. He also never mentioned abortion even though they were common among the Romans of that time.

            Haven’t Christians rejected the commands of the old testament? You eat shellfish, mix milk and meat etc. But you prioritize homosexuality over the things Jesus is actually alleged to have cared about? Seems like you are motivated by prejudice and fear not religion.

          • Michelle Erb

            The Biblical god was created by a primitive people and now holds us back when it comes to morality. Decent people do not need religion to know not to kill or steal, and indecent people use the Bible to defend slavery, sexual violence, child marriage, polygamy etc.

            However, I have always thought that the foundation of Judaism was based on a beautiful idea, and Christianity even turned that on its head.

            The story is that Abraham lived in a time of human sacrifice and multiple gods. Supposedly when he agreed to sacrifice his son to “god,” god said we will not do that anymore. We have a new covenant that values human life. Never sacrifice your children to god.

            Then Christianity reversed that and decided that the very idea of a god torturing and killing his own child, somehow symbolized love and everything to which you aspire. That belief has led people to reject their own children for “god” and has led to the imprisonment, murder, and torture of millions who refused to accept “Jesus” and the story of the crucifixion.

          • Michelle Erb

            You quote the “ten commandments” but if you are a Christian, especially Catholic, you do not even follow the First commandment of their being only ONE god. While homosexuality is only briefly mentioned, that is the foundation of the old testament itself.

            The book that briefly mentions homosexuality,and never forbids abortion also warns you not to fall for any false “Messiahs” and described the Messiah as someone who would save the world right then and there, not be killed, or even resurrected and then disappear.

            Since you pick and choose what to believe why not pick somethings that will actually help your fellow living human beings?

          • Michelle Erb

            The good news is that if you do go by the Ten Commandments alone you can rape at will. Not a priority to the people of that time.

          • Michelle Erb

            ..

        • Michelle Erb

          You seriously doubt that there has been an extreme increase in deadly weather events? How will you explain to your grandchildren that you opposed every effort to turn the tide?

      • Bob

        Well put. The Anti-Christ was smart to take over the religions because the followers are so blinded they did not even notice when he slowly changed God’s word for peace and love one another to Satan’s word of violence and hate.

  • Marti Joyce

    I’m wondering who writes this blog cause it sure can’t be you, Sarah! There must be a ghost writer and even they aren’t smarter than a 4th grader…

    What you fail to realize, Ms. Palin is that you and your ilk will never rid the world of abortion. All your war against fellow women means is that, once again, women will be dying from it. It’s been around since almost the beginning of humanity. YOU are not big enough or smart enough for that fight.

    • Tred

      Marti, if you google it you will easy find the writers identity.

      • Marti Joyce

        I was being sarcastic, Tred. Tred? With a name like that you must be a Palin!

      • Marti Joyce

        That was called ‘sarcasm’!

  • Freebird4

    Congratulations to Sarah and her family for ignoring Trig on his special day!!
    There used to be a time when Sarah and Bristol would take a moment to acknowledge DS Awareness Day 3/21

    What’s more important to Sarah today? Making fun of President Obama enjoying the NCAA Basketball tournament, Todd’s gig at Sportsman Channel and a Free Speech issue in North Carolina. Please, Sarah, let the kid wear his glasses.

    • Michelle Erb

      Sarah also took time out to claim that the white house pastry chef quit because he was repulsed by Michelle Obama’s healthy food demands. When in fact he was so inspired by her that he left to teach healthier baking to children.

      There is nothing too petty for her to lie about.

      • Freebird4

        You speak the TRUTH.
        It’s about time we demand “better” articles from Patheos. Jesus Christ, I still don’t know why Bristol/Nancy is allowed a “great” platform of Patheos to spout their CHIT.

        THUMBS DOWN!

        • Michelle Erb

          Warning” Using that name (not Bristol’s) might get your comment deleted. Meanwhile on another of her blogs they have left comments calling someone named Weinsten “p*ssy jewstein” and “f*ggot” up for over a week. They do not want to risk offending any of their fans by moderating their comments.

          I have complained to Patheos about the race baiting blogs they have posted including one that took propaganda straight from a white supremacist group. Patheos has not even bothered to respond. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bristolpalin/2014/02/why-havent-we-heard-more-about-jonathan-foster/ ; http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bristolpalin/2014/02/abortion-kills-black-and-hispanic-babies/

          • Freebird4

            Thanks for the TIP. I have seen my comments disappear for no reason. Guess it’s time to move on from a place that doesn’t let OPPOSING VIEWS COME THROUGH.

          • Freebird4

            P.S.
            Where are your opposing views, BRISTOL/FRENCH?
            You just “hit and run” it seems like to me….

            Like Mother, Like Daughter, Like Ghost Writer….

          • Tred

            Watch it Freebird! You’re not allowed to speak that name! I don’t know if that’s Sarah’s rule or the writer’s.

          • Freebird4

            Most of us know the truth…those of us with BRAINS. Quite the Rabbit Hole the Palin’s have gone down…but not to “thinking” folks.
            Truthfully, I think Patheos likes DIVISION. More HITS means MORE ATTENTION. Personally, I don’t think this kind of attention does any good for ANYONE.

  • Warpde

    “I honestly can’t believe that someone would celebrate the destruction of
    babies (boys, and YES millions of girls) as a fashion statement for
    feminists.”

    Ahhhh! the “fashion statement for feminists.” has been around since before you were born and your Mom was in diapers.
    Catch up will ya.
    Not that your to blame for your ignorance though.
    We all know who raised you.

  • TomanJeri Giddens

    I’m not an idiot and who cares when it was added it’s there dumbass

    • Michelle Erb

      Someone who says “your the parasite” might want to avoid calling anyone a “dumbass.”

    • Zoey0728

      What are you talking about?

  • TomanJeri Giddens

    Your the parasite.

    • Michelle Erb

      Talking to the voices in your head again? Perhaps someone named “Your”?

      • Freebird4

        Palin-Bot: Unmistakable and Cult-ish.

  • TomanJeri Giddens

    I know it their choice . If you would of read everything I said you would know that

    • Michelle Erb

      Are you trying to respond to someone in particular? If so go to their post and then hit “reply”

    • Nicole

      “I know it their”?

      “would of” ?

  • TomanJeri Giddens

    You are a real winner. You are talking to the inside of your ass pull your head out! I can hear the pop from here!

  • Cindy Carlson Johnson

    I see the nasty people have come out of their holes. It never fails, when Liberals can’t win a debate or don’t like the direction it’s taking they start name calling and using profanity.

    • Freebird4

      Typical comment from someone who HAS NO MIND OF THEIR OWN.

      Dontcha see? Sarah is late to the party, finally posting her tribute to World Down Syndrome Day by playing tag team, linking to a post on Bristol’s blog– a post from March 19. It’s the 21st today!! She is timely, lazy and posted just 23 minutes ago. Poor Trig. She is the worst mother ever … and proves it every year. Not once has she come out on DS Day EVER. Google it Johnson, if you know how to do that….

      • Diana H

        Wha? Not posting something on Down Syndrome day means she’s the worst mother in the world? “Congratulations mothers who burn there children with ciggies, at least you don’t forget about Down Syndrome day.” Was that really the best insult you could come up with? Dear me, you need to go back to your sheeple flock and coordinate with someone more intelligent than yourself.

    • JJT

      Pretty sure those of all political persuasions resort to nastiness and name calling. (See: Westboro Baptist Church)

      • Cindy Carlson Johnson

        There wasn’t any name calling and swearing until a bunch of pro-aborts came on board, suddenly they came out of the woodwork and have done nothing but spew vulgarity towards anyone and everyone who disagrees with them.

        • JJT

          So, when people who shared the same opinion were together, everyone got along? :)

          I’m not debating that people may have been jerks. Sorry about that. But saying that only people who are liberal (“when Liberals can’t win a debate”) use vulgarity or name calling just is not correct. (Note my example of the Westboro Baptist Church)

          • Cindy Carlson Johnson

            Do you not know that even Conservatives hate the Westboro Baptist Church?

          • Michelle Erb

            That was an extreme example. Take Rush Limbaugh, Ted Nugent or even Sarah Palin, all of whom should be extreme examples but actually have mainstream acceptance among Republicans..

          • Cindy Carlson Johnson

            Lets see your side has MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC…

          • Michelle Erb

            Who fire anyone who says anything 1/10th as bad as what conservative hero Limbaugh says every single day, or nearly anything that comes out of Palin hero Nugent’s mouth..
            p.s. the only one of those that is liberal is MSNBC and even they have too much conservative corporate influence.

          • rh

            It is easier to say, all MSM except FOX.

        • Michelle Erb

          So why is there so much nastiness on Sarah’s facebook post about it? No liberals are even allowed to post there and yet the comments are full of vulgarity and threats of violence.

        • Zoey0728

          I have yet to see any pro-choice people use profanity. The only ones I see are the anti-abortion ones.

      • Nicole

        Also see any discussion on Obama and Michelle, or as the Repubs call them, Obozo and Moochelle.

        • Michelle Erb

          Or read Bristol’s blogs. Nothing is too petty for her to bring out the mean girl nastiness with a large dose of whiny.

          No decent person could possibly respect her after her personal attacks on Wendy Davis and our first lady.

        • Cindy Carlson Johnson

          Yea and your side calls Sarah Palin the “c” word and makes derogatory statements concerning her!
          Instead of this tit for tat crap why don’t we just agree that BOTH sides do it and then agree to be better than that by NOT doing it?

          • Nicole

            I’m sorry–MY side?! Listen, I don’t have a side, so stop with the exclusionary talk.

          • Michelle Erb

            Any time someone uses the C word I and many other liberals call them out. When Ted Nugent says far worse Sarah Palin says that anyone who is good enough for Ted is good enough for her. See the difference?

          • JJT

            Cindy – this entire thread began because you insinuated that Liberals were the ones that used name-calling, vulgarity, etc.

            Glad to see that your perspective has grown!

          • Cindy Carlson Johnson

            Glad to see you guys latched on and ran with it!

          • JJT

            I’m afraid I don’t know what you mean.

          • Zoey0728

            If you don’t want people to call you on it, don’t make comments with massive generalizations in them.

          • Nicole

            Yes both sides do it.

            Sarah isn’t a cunt, she is stupid. That is a fact as anyone can hear when she speaks. She is a complete embarrassment to all women.

            And by the way, I don’t have a side. I vote for who I believe will do the best job; who aligns with my beliefs; and who has the best long-term plan. If it is a repub, so be it. If it is a demo, so be it. If it is an independent, so be it. Anyone who votes straight party lines is, well, a moron.

    • Michelle Erb

      There are trolls of every persuasion. But when liberals say sickening things, they get called out, not, turned into heroes.
      How do you even sleep at night when you support politicians and bloggers who bow down to Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent? Do you even see the comments that Bristol and Sarah allow to remain on their facebook pages? Threats on the president, the n word, calls for “libtards” to die? (But try to politely post something faintly liberal and you will be banned for life)

      • Cindy Carlson Johnson

        Really Michelle Erb? So how many Conservatives have you seen on here calling the Pres the N word? So you want Bristol and Sarah to “ban” free speech? Liberals would be up in arms if they took that away from you by removing all your lovely posts. Have you ever heard a Conservative talk radio personality cry out for someone to kill a Liberal? Show me. How do you sleep at night supporting the likes of race baiters Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton? I have been to more Liberal sites that ban me for debating them without using profanity or name calling than I can count, just because I don’t agree with them.
        I’ll tell you what I’ve told my own children…anyone with a low IQ can choose to use profanity when speaking, it takes intelligence not to.

        • Michelle Erb

          The reason so many liberals are posting here, is that they are completely banned from the Palin facebook pages. In most cases all we did was put in a url showing a factual contradiction to whatever propagnda the Palins were spinning that day. Sarah censors everything. She is terrified of free speech. Even when she was running for office she did not have the guts to hold even one press conference.

          Please name the liberal sites that banned you. Because none of the liberal sites I am aware of ban people for having a conservative opinion, or referencing facts. Do me a favor go to any of the Palin’s flame throwing facebook posts and read any thirty comments, then come back to me and claim there were no comments using profanity.

          Sarah hugs Limbaugh and Nugent. Do you really need me to repeat what they say day after day? Calling women “sluts” saying that women who use birth control , via insurance that they pay for, should have to make pornos for everyone to watch, telling Hilary Clinton to suck on a machine gun, calling the President a “subhuman mongrel”. Using the word “retard” over and over. Singing about having sex with a twelve year old, handcuffing her and sharing with police. You guys idolize these people not despite these things, but because of them.

          • Cindy Carlson Johnson

            Do you honestly think I keep track of the sites that ban me? I don’t think Sarah is afraid of anyone, besides that I’m pretty sure the McCain camp kept a pretty tight rein on her once they realized people were voting for McCain because of Palin. McCain’s a RINO and needs his butt kicked from office. Why does it bother you what word choices Limbaugh or Nugent uses when your side voted 3 x to remove God from your parties platform?

          • Michelle Erb

            I was responding to your ridiculously hypocritical accusation. I do care about the dangerous propaganda that they spin and the danger it causes when people believe that the people they scapegoat actually are what they say they are.

          • Michelle Erb

            Why would a party in a secular country that includes Athiests and Agnostics put “god” in their platform? What should matter to you is that Democrats actually follow all the “teachings of Jesus” about caring for the poor, not screwing people over etc. Republicans can say “god” all they
            want but they are literally allowing people to die in order to enrich the corporation that sponsor them.

            Maybe you should stop counting how many times someone says “god” or whether they have the nerve to wish you “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas” and start paying attention to what they are actually doing.

          • Tred

            No Cindy, they put a tight rein on her when they realized she was woefully uninformed AND a loose cannon.

          • Michelle Erb

            To this day she does not allow anyone to ask her a question that has not been pre-screened. I doubt if McCain is still “controlling” her.

          • Michelle Erb

            “Do you honestly think I keep track of the sites that ban me?” How could you possbly keep track of something that did not happen? I do not believe that any liberal sites have banned you for simply expressing your opinions. It is conservatives who are terrified to let dissenters post on their sites. (Fortunately Sarah does not have that kind of control over this one. The moderator has tried but after complaints to patheos, most deletions have been reversed)

            But, yes, if you were banned you would remember. I have been banned from both Palin pages as well as Mike Huckabee’s. In all cases I had only politely referred them to facts that disproved the propaganda they were spreading. I did not even use the term “propaganda.”

            Why are they so afraid? Why do you believe all the ridiculous stuff they regurgitate when you know they censor out all other opinions?

            This week Sarah even claimed that the white house pastry chef quit because he was repulsed by Michelle Obama’s healthy food demands. When in fact he was so inspired by her that he left to teach healthier baking to children.

            There is nothing too petty for her to lie about. No jab too juvenile for her to throw.

          • Zoey0728

            God does not belong in politics. Separation of church and state. Remember that little idea from our founding fathers?

      • Justmeandmyopinion

        Oh really, Sarah or Bristol has never flat out call the president the n word. They have class. Name one thing that they have done wrong besides oppose/support laws, etc. Get your facts straight.

        • Michelle Erb

          They do not “flat out” call him the “N” word because they know they could not get away with it. But they come as close as they can, saying things like “shuck and jive,” and then leave the comments of their supporters on facebook who call him the N word, monkey, ape, Mooslim, etc, while censoring out every liberal comment.

          Sarah recently accused the President of “paling around” with cop killer supporters, based on his nomination of an excellently qualified candidate who correctly proved to the court that the death penalty had been illegally applied. His client was accused of killing a police officer, but until the Palin types came along we did not attack the attorney for the crime of the client. They truly hate our constitution.

          Both Palins supported Ted Nugent calling the president a “subhuman mongrel” straight out of the Nazi playbook, and cast aspersions on the President’s place of birth.

          Bristol’s recent race baiting has gotten so out of control that she is relying on white supremacist literature. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bristolpalin/2014/02/why-havent-we-heard-more-about-jonathan-foster/; http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bristolpalin/2014/02/abortion-kills-black-and-hispanic-babies/

    • Michelle Erb

      Scroll up, and tell me again the problem is liberals.

    • Zoey0728

      It wasn’t a liberal who is calling people “sh*t4brains” upthread.

      This is what I love. When people like you make massive generalizations like this. We are all human beings. We are individuals. We all make our own choices. You cannot claim that all liberals are alike any more than I can claim that all conservatives are alike.

  • JJT

    Did you know that Christians wear crosses around their necks!?!?! Crosses were used to torture and execute people! Who would do such a thing! *Gasp!*

    • Michelle Erb

      Many people still living lost loved ones under the accusation “Christ Killer.” They do not see the cross as a symbol of “love.”

      • Adam Wiederholt

        That’s because the cross is not the symbol of love. It’s the symbol of Christ’s death, which I don’t know why Christians have such fascination with his death. I believe what we should remember most, worship/cherish, his way, not the way he died. Good point JJT!

        • Michelle Erb

          I suppose if you did not grow up being taught it was a beautiful thing it is hard to comprehend. No longer religious, I still think the story of Abraham is beautiful, and cannot understand why Christianity turned that on its head.

          The story is that Abraham lived in a time of human sacrifice and multiple gods. Supposedly when he agreed to sacrifice his son to “god,””god” said we will not do that anymore. We have a new covenant that values human life. Never sacrifice your children to god.

          Then Christianity reversed that and decided that the very idea of a god torturing and killing his own child, somehow symbolized love and everything to which you aspire. That belief has led people to reject their own children for “god” and has led to the imprisonment, murder, and torture of millions who refused to accept “Jesus” and the story of the crucifixion.

          • Adam Wiederholt

            Killing someone is not a beautiful thing. You’re twisted, backwards, and insane. You worshiping eating of human flesh and the blood of a human being. IF you believe it’s God’s only Son, then you also shouldn’t be eating his flesh or drinking his blood. Open your eyes. I was born and raised to become Catholic, it was all a fraud.

  • cjpoprocks

    Do people even realize what the coat hanger symbolizes???? Back door abortions!!! Meaning no matter if its legal or not people will still do them and women will still get them!!! Back door abortions will simply cause more deaths and is a very savage procedure.. I don’t agree with it being a form of birth control but being a rape survivor I believe women have the right to choose… Regardless of race, religion or economic status… women deserve to have the right to choose!!!!!

    • Cindy Carlson Johnson

      Then give them a CHOICE! Abortion clinics don’t give choices to women that’s why they’re ABORTION clinics.

      • Tred

        Cindy, they go to the abortion clinic because they have already made their choice.

        • Michelle Erb

          They also go there to find out their options. Unlike those “crisis pregnancy centers” they are actually given all of their options along with the resources to actually pursue whatever they choose.

          Women are also counseled by themselves so that if anyone who brought them there is trying to influence them unduly they get an opportunity to make their own decision.

    • myintx

      Occasionally, women kill their born children, they are arrested, go to jail, are convicted and their lives are RUINED. Well, boo freakin hoo. Should we make killing a born child legal so the poor, poor woman won’t suffer?
      There are 2 human beings involved in a pregnancy. BOTH should have a right to life.
      No one should have the ‘right to choose’ to kill an unborn child.

    • Adam Wiederholt

      Women do not have any authority to kill what life is in them. That’s no choice for the child, that you’re forgetting?

      • Marti Joyce

        They have EVERY authority, Adam. It is THEIR body!!!!!!! Grow up.

      • Sam

        Your body kills life inside you all the time. Bacteria, fungi, healthy cells, mutated cells, etc. At the time abortions take place, the embryo is nothing more than a collection of cells. Let women choose and stop making it harder for them. All that emotional scarring and pain they experience comes from you fucked up assholes who shame, ridicule, and persecute them.

    • cjpoprocks

      Well I didn’t say I had 1 now did I Adam?? Maybe you religious pro lifers should leave the judging up to god because that is after all his job isn’t it?? I don’t think he would appreciate anyone stepping on his toes… It’s nobodies business what a women does with her body but her own…

  • tatoo

    Not everyone can afford to have bastard children like Palin did.

    • Justmeandmyopinion

      You’re mean! You don’t stand for abortion or not because a women who chooses to abort and who suffers from depression etc. would never be so mean as you.

  • rh

    Vladimir Lenin, one of the fathers of socialism and communism, said that socialized medicine is the keystone to the establishment of a socialist state. – Dr. Ben Carson

    • Marti Joyce

      And your point is WHAT exactly?! Ohhhhhh, socialism. The ‘bogey man’. Ohhhh. I’m scared!!!

    • Michelle Erb

      Are you also against public roads, schools, fire departments etc?
      Did you realize every one of those things is “socialism?” It really is
      not a bad word. It just recognizes that sometimes it is better to do
      somethings as a society instead of an individual. It really is not the
      same as “Communism.”

      I never wanted free healthcare. I wanted an end to the Republican
      policies which prevented me from joining up with others to be able to
      have the same insurance buying power that large corporations have.

      Corporations want us to have to get good insurance through them so
      that we have no choice but to be employees. For someone like me who was born with a birth defect, if I wanted to buy insurance that covered
      maternity I would have to work for a corporation, and then there might
      be a waiting period.

      Now with Obamacare, I have a platinum policy that I pay for 100%. I did not even have to go through healthcare.gov. You are really against this? You like paying huge healthcare costs because irresponsible people who choose not to have insurance could show up in the emergency room and we would all end up paying for it?

      No one says you have to sign up for Obamacare. An exchange was set up to give people options they did not have before. But you do not have
      to go there.

      The only thing you have to complain about is that if you can afford to have insurance but choose not to buy it, thus creating the risk that the rest of us will have to cover your hospital bills, you need to pay a small fine. Next year the maximum penalty is $95, and I doubt if you earn enough to owe it. (That idea came from a Republican think tank btw. Before Republicans starting promoting irresponsibility just to spite our President).

  • Adam Wiederholt

    What about the choice of the child? It’s the life of the girl or boy that is forgotten in this false argument of “pro-choice”-ers that forget they were once a fetus too. Women are supposed to be the MOST safest place for life to begin, and you’re rebelling in your egos to destroy that, why? To claim you’re strong? Really?!

    • Marti Joyce

      The “choice of the child”? Oh, seriously? The “choice of the child”? That mass of cells would not be anything without that woman’s body. What about HER rights, and HER choice??????

      • malachigreenidge

        that mass of cells?? And the mother is what…NOT a mass of cells?
        That “mass of cells” or more correctly, that “child” would not be IN the woman’s body without the man’s seed. It is the woman’s “right” to protect and carry the child that is in her body to the best of her God-given ability. The child doesnt have a choice. Its up to the mother and/or father of unborn infants to choose life. That is our God-given estate. Life.
        Jeremiah 1:5 – “before I formed you in the womb, I knew you…”

        • Marti Joyce

          Yeah, mass of cells. Look up the words “zygote”, “embryo” and “fetus”. They are all masses of cells. I do not believe they are a child or a baby. I believe that happens when they are given birth and take their first breath. But, of course, you and your ilk are from a different century and believe in magic (the Bible) and not science…

        • Michelle Erb

          If you really want to quote the Bible – you lose. That quote means that “god” forms a soul that exists even before a fetus and lasts even after death. It does not mean that embryos or even fetuses have souls. Did you know that more fertilized embryos fail to implant through natural reasons than ever do? Do you really think each one has a soul that never got to live? Doesn’t your god know which will actually become conscious human beings?

          Do you sincerely believe embryos in a petrie dish awaiting IVF have the same value/rights as a living breathing conscious child? If you could only save one would you even hesitate? I used to think that evangelicals interfered in cases where people were brain dead because they thought there could be a miracle that would change things. Now I realize that many do not even recognize what it is that makes us alive and human. This lack of respect for humanity is in no way Bibilically based.

          The Bible correlates “life” to the ability to draw breath.
          The Bible’s definition of murder does not include abortions. The old testament sets out 613 laws, none prohibiting abortion. It even calls for an adulteress to suffer a ritual which will destroy anything in her womb. The law on an attack that causes a miscarriage, is that the penalty is for a property crime if the woman herself is not “harmed.”

          Rabbis, who are old testament experts, have always ruled that a woman’s well being takes priority over a fetus. Traditional Jews do value pregnancy because of the command to be “fruitful and multiply” but they do not consider abortion murder. If her health is in danger, in the Jewish religion, it is a no brainer. You abort.

          Jesus did not even allegedly mention abortion even though they were common among the Romans of that time.

          It seems that right wingers choose to emphasize things that Jesus never spoke of such as homosexuality, and guns, not out of faith, but out of fear, prejudice and the desire to control and punish others.

          • Marti Joyce

            Well said, Michelle! :-)

          • malachigreenidge

            You grossly misinterpret and/or misunderstand scripture.
            “If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” (Exodus 21:22–25)
            Here we see that the law received from God clearly puts just as much value on “unborn” life as it does on “born” life. If there is harm done to the child due to the altercation, then it is to be repayed “eye for eye, tooth for tooth,” and obviously “life for life.” EVEN if the baby is born unharmed, BUT prematurely, there is still a penalty to be payed. This is actually a solid text to suggest that the life of a child in its prenatal state is of equal value to its mother. Consequently, the unborn child is fully human.

            Most informed, Bible-believing Christians would maintain that an induced abortion is a moral atrocity. However, if this is truly such an atrocity, then why does the Bible never explicitly address the issue? The answer to this is found in the Israelite view of children. God was responsible for opening the womb (Gen 30:22; 1 Sam 1:19–20). Consequently, children were viewed as a gift from God (Gen 33:5; Ps 127:3). An Israelite expected proliferation in childbearing as an aspect of the prosperity that God had promised them in the Mosaic Covenant (Deut 7:13; 28:4). The abundance of children was a blessing, but the lack of children was often considered a curse. Therefore, a voluntary abortion was unthinkable for an Israelite and, consequently, was not an issue to them. To understand the moral ramifications of this, we must approach the issue of medically induced abortion in light of other biblical material.

            What does the Bible teach about the value of human life? To determine this, we must briefly examine the Bible’s teaching about man. Moses wrote in Genesis 1:26–28 that man was created in the image and likeness of God. The divine image refers to those personal, rational, moral, and spiritual qualities of man that make him like God. Though it was marred at the Fall, the divine image in man was not lost (Jas 3:9). This is cogently demonstrated in Genesis 9:5–6 with God’s institution of capital punishment for murder. The motivation for this command is God’s creation of man in his image (v. 6). Whatever else Genesis 9:5–6 may affirm, it clearly emphasizes the sanctity of human life. This is reinforced by the sixth commandment of the Decalogue, “Thou shalt not murder” (Exod 20:13; Deut 5:17), and is reaffirmed by our Lord in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5:21–22). Though this data clearly asserts the sanctity of human life, it does not deal with when genuine human life begins.

            What does the Bible teach concerning the inception of human life? A key passage is Psalm 51. This is a record of David’s confession of sin after having committed adultery with Bathsheba. In v. 5 David traces his moral culpability back to the time of conception by asserting that he was sinful from the time when his mother conceived him. Another significant passage is Psalm 139:13–16. Having dealt with God’s omniscience (vv. 1–6) and omnipresence (vv. 7–12), David then gives an exposition on God’s providential involvement with his prenatal development. God created David’s inmost being (v. 13) and his body (v. 15). David asserts in v. 16 that his “substance,” his embryo, as well as the course of his life, was part of God’s plan. David’s personal identity extends back to his prenatal state. In addition, Luke 1:41, 44 has a bearing on this subject. After an angel had announced to the virgin Mary that she would carry the Messiah, she went to the home of Elizabeth, who was six months pregnant with her son John. When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, her unborn son leaped for joy. This demonstrates that John the Baptist had rational and spiritual capacities in his prenatal state. These passages indicate that a child in his prenatal state has personal, rational, moral, and spiritual qualities, and, therefore, is fully human.
            This understanding of a child being fully in the image of God from the time of conception is further supported by two other biblical items. The first is the biblical teaching concerning the origin of the human soul. God created the human race immediately in Adam. Adam and Eve transferred their spiritual and physical characteristics to their children through the process of procreation (Gen 5:3; Acts 17:26). When an ovum and sperm unite, a new person containing the hereditary characteristics of one’s father and mother is brought into existence. This should lend further support that a prenatal child is a genuine person.

          • Michelle Erb

            I will try to read all of what you wrote tomorrow. But we can start with this. The text in the original language does not say “give birth prematurely” it was always interpreted by Biblical scholars as talking about the loss of the pregnancy. The fact that evangelicals have to make up these kind if interpretations shows how defensive they are. Once again if the authors of the new testament considered abortion to be murder they could have easily had Christ talk about it even once.

          • malachigreenidge

            You make these statements without any references to back them up. If you would simply do a little research, you would see your error. Even without all the proofs I am about to post, if you just thought about it logically, you would come to the logical conclusion. It seems to me that You are suggesting that the text is conveying that the woman suffered a miscarriage. Let me ask you, as not to assume. Are you suggesting that text reads like this: “If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she miscarries, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him;”

            I’d like to see an incident where a woman is struck hard enough to cause a miscarriage, and not be harmed in the process. Thats a ridiculous proposal, lol!
            Regardless, Im not sure what “Biblical Scholars” you are referring to, because the ones that did all these translations don’t seem to agree with you….

            This meaning has been conveyed by nearly every other major Bible version:

            King James Version – “her fruit depart from her”
            New King James Version – “she gives birth prematurely”
            New American Standard Bible – “she gives birth prematurely”
            New International Version – “she gives birth prematurely”
            English Standard Version – “her children come out”
            New Century Version – “[causing] the baby to come out”
            Young’s Literal Translation – “her children have come out”
            Holman Christian Standard Bible – “her children are born prematurely”
            New English Translation (NET) – “her child is born prematurely”
            Darby Translation – “she be delivered”

            The Bible does not support abortion. I challenge you to show me where it does, in scripture, instead of just making these erroneous statements with absolutely no clout to back them up. Furthermore, God loves you, with an unconditional love. I pray you find the truth, and open your heart and soul to your Creator, who loved you enough to give you life.
            Psalm 139 – 13 For You formed my inward parts;
            You covered me in my mother’s womb.
            14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;

          • Michelle Erb

            Every single Rabbinical scholar who is an expert on the language and text interprets it as the fruit of her womb is lost. Do you seriously think “premature delivery” was a concept of that time? Do you think they had incubators or even due dates? Back then a pregnancy not resulting in a live child was pretty much as likely as one resulting in a healthy child. It was also expected that the woman would often perish as well, so that is why they would wait to see when they say “no harm caused.”

            Women suffer miscarriages due to falls etc all the time and are “fine.” The Bible would hardly consider bruising of a woman significant. If she could still perform her wifely “duties” than no harm is caused.

            Obviously in those days, the expected outcome of a pregnancy ending early would not be a live child, that would be a rare exception. So if the Bible thought that was “murder” it would say so. The Bible hardly minces words when it comes to things like murder..

            Notice that the ludicrous anachronistic, “premature deliver” version is only in your modern christian versions, not even King James..

            The reason it talks about different types of harms such as “hand for hand,” “burn for burn” “wound for wound” etc. it is referring to the different types of”harm” that may have been caused to the WOMAN. Any other interpretation would turn things upside down. It would be easy to say “anyone who destroys the fruit of her womb shall surely die.” That is not even close to what this passage says.

            “God” hardly values all babies, much less fetuses. When “everyone” was evil before the flood, babies and fetuses perished as well. “God” punished Saul for failing to kill all the women, children, babies, and even animals of his enemy. There is even an abortion ritual in the Bible. Please study the punishment of an adulteress, and what is done to destroy anything that may be in her womb.

          • Tred

            ” if you just thought about it logically”. Oh that’s the best, Malachi! As Michrlle so ably points out, you are not thinking logically when you suggest premature birth is discussed in the Bible. Due dates were not accurate then and premature births were not survived because there was no modern medicine. You need to rethink/ rewrite all this stuff in your Bible.

          • malachigreenidge

            I just showed you in scripture where the topic of “premature birth” is discussed. (Exodus 21:22-25)-Are you blind or just completely ignorant???
            “Due dates were not accurate” – What do due dates have to do with anything??? You think they didn’t know back then how long the gestation period of a pregnant woman was? Are due dates accurate today?? In my personal experience, I know of ONE woman who actually gave birth on her due date. Its rare to pin down the exact date a child will exit the womb. But the expected 40 week pregnancy is pretty universal for humans.
            You further say that “premature births were not survived.” That is a lie. The incubator, invented in 1888, has helped to increase the rate of survival for premature infants, but to suggest that none survived is just untrue.
            And if “modern medicine” is so great, than please tell me why we have more incurable diseases in the 21st century than we’ve ever had all throughout history??? Over 1 trillion dollars has been donated world-wide to cancer in the past 50 years, and yet no cure. You put your faith in modern medicine if you want, Ill keep my faith in Jesus. Who’s gonna raise you from the dead??

          • Michelle Erb

          • Michelle Erb

            Pulpit Commentary

            Verse 22-25. – Assault producing miscarriage. Retaliation.
            Women in all countries are apt to interfere in the quarrels of men, and run the risk of suffering injuries which proceed from accident rather than design, one such injury being of a peculiar character, to which
            there is nothing correspondent among the injuries which may be done to man. This is abortion, or miscarriage. The Mosaic legislation sought to protect pregnant women from suffering this injury by providing, first,
            that if death resulted the offender should suffer death (ver. 23); and, secondly, that if there were no further ill-result than the miscarriage itself, still a fine should be paid, to be assessed by the husband of the injured woman with the consent of the judges (ver. 22). The mention of “life for life,” in ver. 23, is followed by an enunciation of the general “law of retaliation,” applied here (it would seem) to the special case in hand, but elsewhere (Leviticus 24:19, 20) extended so as to be a fundamental law, applicable to all cases of personal injury. Verse 22. – If men strive and hurt a woman. A chance hurt is clearly intended, not one done on purpose. So that her fruit depart from her. So that she be prematurely delivered of a dead child. And no mischief follow. “Mischief” here means “death,” as in Genesis 42:4, 38; Genesis 44:29. He shall pay as the judges determine. He was not to be wholly at the mercy of the injured father. If he thought the su

          • Michelle Erb

            So a law that talked about an attack at any point in a woman’s pregnancy, during Biblical times, would assume that loss of the pregnancy would result in a live birth? Are you serious?

            “Due dates” are important because the fact that women back then did not have due dates and would not even know when they got pregnant shows how anachronistic the concept of “premature birth” would have been.

            That translation was not added by Bible scholars, or put in the King James version, but was put in by modern evangelicals who did not like the fact that the Bible does not consider abortion to be “murder.” Most non evangelical discussions of this passage concede that it is about still-born babies and miscarriages.

          • Michelle Erb

            If you think it was talking about the types of harm a fetus could suffer why does it say “burn for burn” “wound” for wound” It is speaking of the different types of injuries the woman who was attacked may have suffered. Do you think she is so unimportant that her attack should not even be addressed?

            You have already shown that you do not think a woman is legitimately raped unless very strict criteria are met, but now you do not even think someone who attacks her should be penalized for her injuries?

          • Michelle Erb

            Did you not even read the interpretations when you posted them. The vast majority, including King James, clearly interpret the passage as the loss of her fruit or ending of the pregnancy not “premature delivery.”

            You will not find one ancient scholar, or language expert, who agrees with the modern bizarreness in the newer versions.

          • malachigreenidge

            LOL, yes I read them Michelle, apparently you didn’t though. Here is another ludicrous statement by you – “the vast majority, including King James, clearly interpret the passage as the loss of her fruit or ending of the pregnancy not “premature delivery.” The King James says, exactly “Her fruit departs from her.” NOWHERE does it say “loss of her fruit.” It is impossible to even have an intelligible conversation/argument with you, because you consistently lie. You do realize that anyone reading these posts, can go to the KJV themselves, and see that you are lying, do you not? You claim that the KJV says “loss of her fruit,” yet it does not. The statement “her fruit departs from her” and “loss of her fruit” are not the same thing, now are they. Thats called a lie, when you intentionally write or say something that is not so. Fruit departing from the womb in no way implies death. It simply means the baby has come out. If you “depart” from your house, does that automatically mean you die?
            As for your other term that you have cited, again without proper citation-“ending of the pregnancy” (which I have not seen anywhere, not that it matters) does not imply that the child died either. If the child comes out of the womb, regardless of whether its day 1 or day 280 of the pregnancy, and whether its alive or dead, its the end of the pregnancy isn’t it??
            And lastly, “you will not find one ancient scholar, or language expert…” or a similar statement you made in a previous post – “Every single Rabbinical scholar who is an expert on the language and text interprets it as the fruit of her womb is lost.” -again, these are just fantastically erroneous statements. You’ve studied EVERY Rabbinical scholar have you?? But still fail to list even one. LOLOLOL!
            The writers of the Bible’s wisdom literature knew that not everybody is interested in acquiring wisdom. The sages believed that such an attitude damaged the quality of life. Therefore they invited all to search for wisdom. Those who didn’t seek wisdom were regarded as fools. Folly was basically a rejection of fullness of life. Two main Hebrew words are used in Proverbs to refer to fools: kesil (“insolent, fool”) and ’ewil (“foolish, fool”). You Michelle, remind me predominantly of the “ewil” type. This type of fool (’ewil) has gone beyond the common fool (kesil). They seem to have reached the point of no return because they have no interest in the fear of the Lord (1:7; Ps. 14:1). Yet they believe that their way of life is right (Prov. 12:15). They even mock the idea of guilt, thus indicating the absence of remorse (14:9). It is impossible to remove folly from them (27:22). Wisdom has nothing to offer them because they rejected her. The fool ’ewil will die for lack of understanding. Since they lack wisdom, the only thing they can share with others is their own meaningless opinion (verse 2; 12:23; 15:7). The wise should ignore the statements of the fool (26:4), although, in some cases, it is wise to answer them, lest the fools think they are wise (verse 5).
            I’m done with this foolish argument Michelle, I value my time too much. You go on believing abortion is justified. I guess we’ll both see what Jesus thinks on judgement day.

          • ProLifeDynasty

            Beautifully said, malachigreenidge!!!:D

          • Michelle Erb

            So you also think the Bible was talking about “premature birth” but no one discovered that interpretation until relatively recently?

          • ProLifeDynasty

            What on God’s green earth are you talking about?(rhetorical ques.)
            I was not talking to you.

          • Michelle Erb

            So you complimented Malachi for being on “your side” but did not bother to read what he actually said. (rhetorical ques.)

      • Adam Wiederholt

        Mass of cells that happens to grow into a Human being, did you know the first cluster of cells creates the first organ, the heart? Bet you didn’t know that. That mass of cells that wouldn’t be anything without the woman, doesn’t equate to women “should abort” life. What about the CHILD’s RIGHTS? HER CHOICE? SHE WAS GIVEN LIFE (HER LIFE)… why destroy a LIFE, for just a “choice” of choosing to kill that life? You effed up rebeling in death culture women need to effin WAKE UP! You’re being misled, used, and abused by this luciferian government.

  • ProLifeDynasty

    WOMEN DESERVE BETTER than abortion. abortion KILLS an unborn HUMAN BEING an emotionally MAULS his/her mother. BREAK THE CHAINS of abortion! ABOLISH abortion—NOW!!!

    • Marti Joyce

      Oh, seriously? Women deserve better? Tell that to a girl who has been raped and gets pregnant by her rapist. Tell that to a girl whose father rapes her and she gets pregnant. Tell that to a poor woman who has no resources and already has 4-5 children and no way to feed or cloth them. You are an idiot and a fool. You will NEVER ‘abolish’ abortion. It has been around since the beginning of time. All your ilk will do is once again force women to die from it! Why does NO ONE talk about the RIGHTS of the woman, you bumbling, moronic asshole?!?!?!

      • ProLifeDynasty

        And you, sh*t4brains, imbecile, misogynist pro-abort asshole sob tell the rape victim to KILL her unborn baby to EXACERBATE the trauma further, stupidass!!!

        • Marti Joyce

          Wow, your use of the English language is astonishing. You act like you know what a woman goes through. Do you? I do. So, shut the fuck up.

          • ProLifeDynasty

            Why don’t you try&make me, sh*t4brains? That’s what I thought.

          • Zoey0728

            Wow! You are such a good Christian person. You must just spend every day wallowing in hatred. Not good for your health, honey. Not good at all. I wish you peace.

      • ProLifeDynasty

        liveaction.org

      • ProLifeDynasty

        Your women-hating femi-nazi pro-abort talking points are OLD&TIRED. YOU ARE AN IDIOT&FOOL.
        NEWSFLASH: AMERICA=PROLIFE MAJORITY!!![don’t cry;(]
        You flatter me! Of course, I will not do it alone…but, TOGETHER OUR GENERATION WILL ABOLISH ABORTION!!!
        Only misogynist libtarded pro-aborts force women to kill their unborn because they LIE, LIE,&LIE some more to women, and these COWARD pro-aborts do not care to give moms the WHOLE truth about abortion and how it dismembers their unborn babies and KILLS MOMS TOO!!! REMEMBER MONSTER KERMIT GOSNELL & his HOUSE OF HORRORS!?!?!?!!!! marti joce=MORON ASSHOLE.

        • Michelle Erb

          We all want to prevent Hermit Gosnell, that is why we need to make sure women have access to safe respectable clinics. When you close places like that, more horrors like Gosnell will emerge.

          The organization who is promoting the coat hanger pendants, is trying to make sure women can afford to have their abortion early while they are safe, and not end up at a house of horrors like Gosnell or trying to do something on their own.

          • ProLifeDynasty

            From the facts of the case, CLEARLY NOT “all” want to prevent MONSTER, BABY-NECK-CLIPPER, Kermit gosnell—his abortionist employees ALL watched him KILL BABIES who were BORN ALIVE

            ANY&ALL abortuaries, where the KILLING of unborn HUMAN BEINGS is being performed—is NEVER “safe” or “respectable”!!! “Yes, mam, I am “safely” going to kill your baby, and my clinic that operates to kill it is a VERY RESPECTABLE place.”—kermit gosnell(BEFORE he got caught), steven brigham(BEFORE he got caught), nicola riley(BEFORE she got caught), et al.

            These MONSTER KILLERS are RAMPANT.
            When you “choose” to KILL an unborn HUMAN BEING and emotionally MAUL HIS/HER mother—and get PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS for it—you are VERY SICK.

            Your LIE about abortion clinics being shut down and kermits emerging—IS A BOLD-FACE DEMONRAT LIBERAL LIE!
            STOP LYING to WOMEN! WOMEN DESERVE the TRUTH of the HORROR of the killing of unborn HUMAN BEINGS, bka, abortion.

          • Zoey0728

            You have completely lost it, haven’t you?

    • Moviesforlife

      All pro-lifers are retards especially you.

      • ProLifeDynasty

        YOU are a moron, most especially.

  • Michelle Erb

    Considering how many people here are passionate about the abortion issue. I would love to discuss the law they are attempting to pass in Michigan which I think everyone should be against, once they understand what it does. It will not reduce abortions but will make women who are already in tragic circumstances suffer terribly.

    The law would provide that private insurance cannot pay for abortions unless the woman has previously purchased an “abortion rider.” It is doubtful that anyone would purchase such a rider because no one anticipates needing an abortion. However, if there are any of the type of women who really did use it for birth control as some of you claim they would have a rider and they could get as many abortions as they “like”, paid in full by insurance..

    Now lets get real. A woman who needs a simple early abortion is going to have one whether insurance covers it or not. If she cannot even afford the few hundred dollars it would cost it is doubtful that she has private insurance in the first place. So this law would not affect early abortions.

    The women this will affect is the ones who want to be pregnant, sometimes are desperate for baby. And something tragic happens. Perhaps their health is in danger, perhaps the baby has a fatal diagnosis and would only suffer and die. Often they have gone to their clergy and had an abortion approved. In these cases the procedure they will need will be expensive and complicated. How dare anyone tell them the health insurance they pay for can’t pay for that?

    I do not understand the cruelty that is imposed on women in these tragic circumstances: imposing an agonizing waiting period, making them watch video of the progression of a healthy fetus, something that they wish they had, actually picketing and protesting them etc…

    I really suspect that the people who write these laws and the ones requiring vaginal ultrasounds, could care less about reducing abortions. It is about being cruel, punishing women and ginning up votes.

    If you were really pro-life you would help prevent abortions in the first place, not close the very clinics that were providing women with contraception. Did you know that in Texas in the few months since they closed the clinics, the unplanned pregnancy rate is soaring? The women are aborting anyway, there is a pill after all, they are just not getting follow up healthcare for themselves. Many were surveyed and said they got pregnant after losing contraception in the months before they got pregnant. hardly a pro-life success.

    Why can’t we all agree that abortion is a difficult issue? No one is an “abortion enthusiast” and no one will stop early abortions. How about we work together to end the circumstances that lead to abortions in the first place, instead of all this nasty back and forth arguing?

  • CFuqua

    Have you ever seen anyone wear a cross on their neck? What about a cross with a man nailed to it, suffering and dying slowly? Well, I guess Christians love to wear death on their necks!

    The analogy: It’s a symbol, and it means something very important to people, and you clearly don’t understand it if you’re using the word “celebrate”. Nobody celebrate’s Christ’s death; they wear it as a REMINDER OF WHAT HE DID.

    • Tred

      Exactly. Just like the coat hanger is not a celebration of abortion but rather what it was like before legalization. That’s lost on the writer of this blog and others commenting.

  • ProLifeDynasty

    It is admirable to see those courageous Catholics wear their crucifixes around their throats reminding them of the undying love of their Savior. Anyone with a brain can see that. It’s also quite disheartening to witness the full-blown hatred of the hateful pro-abort, anti-Christians on this site, too.

    It is very uplifting, however, to know that it is Christian love that conquers all, even the hateful, culture of death-loving pro-abortion folks that kill unborn babies and emotionally maul his/her mothers.

    Final word: Christians love. vs. PRO-ABORTS HATE—-and KILL little babies.
    REMEMBER: KERMIT GOSNELL&his HOUSE OF HORRORS, steven brigham, nicola riley, and baby-killing CHAMP: leroy carhart(still killing babies & MOMS in the republic of morally-decaying maryland!

    • Tred

      Courageous Catholics???? You do realize it’s far easier to be a Catnolic or other Christian in this country than an agnostic, do you not? What takes courage is saying you don’t believe in God. Which is ridiculous, because it really shouldn’t matter to others.

      • Michelle Erb

        Tred, You’re bothering with someone who talks about “Christian love” while cursing out everyone who disagrees with his/her opinion?

        • ProLifeDynasty

          That was very big of you to admit about yourself, mich.

          • davids64

            He was referring to YOU, you hatemongering embarrassment to the teachings of Jesus Christ!

      • ProLifeDynasty

        COURAGEOUS&ADMIRABLE CATHOLICS. Do you realize businesses are having to fight, yeah, that’s right FIGHT for their Constitutional right to freedom of religion in our nation today—as a matter of fact, just yesterday? You must not be paying attention, or watching the idiot box. How about you educate yourself about our brothers&sisters suffering&dying for their Christian Faith in Africa. Look it up, it’s not that difficult.

        • alexandra jonas

          Courageous & admirable you got to be kidding me! good words to describe the ones who started the crusades and may I remind you of PEDERAST PRIEST and the INQUISITION, educate yourself just google pederast priest and then say from what religion are those.

          • ProLifeDynasty

            Can you say NOMINAL “catholics”? Name a group that doesn’t have dissidents? Keep digressing because you know evil attacks in just the same way. Open your eyes.

          • davids64

            Yeah: Secular Humanists have no “dissidents”. Because in Secular Humanism, ALL OPINIONS, ALL BELIEFS, are welcome, and none is granted special privileges over the others.

            You should try it! I’m talking REAL FREEDOM, not the fake freedom offered by the purveyors of bronze-age mythology!

        • davids64

          “Businesses” do not have religious freedom. PEOPLE have religious freedoms.

          For a PERSON to use his BUSINESS as a way to FORCE his employees to do something according to HIS religious belief rather than theirs, it is an INFRINGEMENT ON RELIGIOUS LIBERTY by the owners of that business.

          But it doesn’t surprise me to see righties demonstrating their lack of fidelity towards the concept of religious freedom! Because, of course, they NEVER DID! They believe in freedom for THEMSELVES to do the things that THEY want. But as for your right to do things that YOU want to do, but that they do not think you should, well, not so much.

    • Zoey0728

      People who are pro-choice do not hate nor do they kill little babies. They believe that it is a deeply personal decision that should be made by the mother. It’s not something that you, in all your self-righteous hatred, are allowed to make.

  • BetzeeB

    The necklace could be taken as a tribute to women like Mitt Romney’s relative who died undergoing an illegal abortion in 1963.

    • Tred

      Wow I didn’t know that. Adds even more to Mitts political flip flop on abortion. http://m.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/17/1146161/-Romney-s-abortion-rewrite-edits-out-dear-close-family-relative

      • BetzeeB

        Her name was Ann Keenan, she was Mitt Romney’s brother-in-law’s sister. “A college student described as ‘a beautiful, talented girl [whom] we all loved,’ she died at 21, in 1963 from a septic infection, a common fatality from unsafe abortion. Her parents subsequently asked for donations to be made in her memory to be Planned Parenthood.”

        When Romney was running for Ted Kennedy’s senate seat, he made reference to her to demonstrate his commitment to maintaining a woman’s right to chose. When that position became inconvenient for him as a presidential candidate, well he threw her under the bus and killed her again.

        • Tred

          What a guy

          • BetzeeB

            Indeed. It takes a certain type of person to use a dead relative for political gain in this manner.

            I hope the people who’ve posted here denouncing pro-choice advocates as murderers will say a prayer for Ann Keenan. Those wearing the coat hanger necklaces are paying tribute to women who died under these same circumstances.

  • Michael Cummings

    God bless you Bristol for standing up for the mothers and children both dying from a terrible disease. You know how easy it is for these “activists” to twist the truth and deny to these young women it will be a part of them they will lose. Like I’ve heard you say “what about the rights of the child?” and “it’s a child not a choice”.

    Thanks for being braver than you should
    Thanks for helping keep your sisters & brothers
    Thanks for considering those with no voice
    Thanks for being a light in a dark place

    Yeah well it wasn’t as political as it could be ill spoken of but at least we’ve read the history on molech.

  • Frank Hoffman

    And yet Sarah Palin frequently wears a cross around her neck — also an instrument of death.

    You clearly don’t understand the symbolic significance of coat hangers to the issue of reproductive choice and the need to keep abortion safe, legal (and, yes, rare).

    • myintx

      Abortion is NEVER safe for the unborn child.
      1 million deaths a year isn’t rare.

      • davids64

        Yeah, and crucifixion is a sure-fire way of execution! So what is your point?

        • myintx

          My point is that there are 2 human beings that enter a killing clinic. 1 gets EXCECUTED and 1 walks out. It doesn’t take religion to know that killing a human being – born or unborn – is wrong.

  • Tred

    No agreeable answer YET . The wonderfully exciting thing about science us we are always learning more. And this quest for knowledge of our world drive us forward . Are you aware if the latest discovery related to the Big Bang, Malachi? I suspect not, do here: http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2014/03/syracuse_university_physicist_explains_the_big_bang_breakthrough.html

  • Michelle Erb

    “If she was old enough to conceive than she’s obviously not underage.”

    OMG! I hope that is not how you live your life!

    I realize that Ted Nugent and Phil Robertson, who are right wing heroes, celebrate sex with girls as young as 12, but I hope that idea is not really taking hold.

    Did you know girls as young as nine can and have gotten pregnant?

    This has nothing to do with the Jesus and Mary story. I could not get through what you had to say about that in response to what was a tongue in cheek comment. I just read this comment of yours and saw red. I know you are not from the U.S., but is impregnating twelve years old acceptable in your country? I doubt it.

    • Michelle Erb

      In modern days men and women have been convicted of “rape” for inseminating semen inside a non-consenting person. Rape does not require a penis.

      Again the comment you were responding to was “tongue in cheek” but you need to know that rape does not require a penis. Women who are assaulted with blunt objects are raped. As are women who are impregnated against their will, especially as you point out, if they are virgins..

      • Michelle Erb

        It is interesting that you point out that she must have been “old enough to conceive.” Deep in your heart you must not really believe she was impregnated by “god.” After all, could not a god impregnate someone who was not otherwise biologically able to have a child?

        • malachigreenidge

          Not by “god, ” but by God. And yes, I do believe she was impregnated by God. Thats what the Bible says. God could impregnate a man or a tree if He wanted to, but I still don’t see what your point is. Why do you insist on believing that Mary was 9 years old???

      • malachigreenidge

        I was not aware that “rape” did not require forced sexual intercourse on one person by another. I am aware that there are various types of sexual assault, but I was pretty sure that “rape” meant “forced sexual intercourse.” If you have proof otherwise, then site your evidence. You’re very consistent for claiming things without any evidence to back them up.

        • Michelle Erb

          Rape is physically forced or otherwise coerced penetration – even if slight – of the vulva or anus, using a penis, other body parts or an object” It can be done via deception, or or one who is not of an age or mental capacity to consent..

          You really need to get some rape awareness.

          When did I say something without evidence? I think the King James version of the Bible was a pretty good reference for our earlier conversation.

          • malachigreenidge

            “forced sexual intercourse” and “physically forced or otherwise coerced penetration” seem like pretty synonymous terms to me. But thank you for the clarification. Its horrible and wrong for anyone to take advantage of another sexually, regardless of the degree of offence. I imagine this is something we can both agree on.
            As for the King James version of the Bible, you might want to read that again…before misquoting it or deliberately lying.

    • malachigreenidge

      So if I accused you of raping a little boy, you’d take that as tongue and cheek?? I personally don’t think rape is anything to joke about, and Im a man. Dont know what that says about you as a woman.
      Yes, I realize that girls can get pregnant very young. This in no way implies that God impregnated Mary at 9 years old, or 12. She was engaged to be married, which would have been approved by her parents in Jewish culture at that time. She was a young woman, probably in her teens, as was the acceptable age for marriage of young women of that day. I follow Christ, not Ted Nugent or Phil Robertson, whoever they are, I really don’t know.
      “if she’s old enough to conceive, she’s obviously not underage.” – Let me elaborate this idea, as I can see you are taking it out of the context from which I meant it. I don’t know if there was an “age” law in Judaism 2000 years ago. If there was, than God would have OBVIOUSLY upheld the law. Regardless, I’m confident that God would have impregnated Mary at an appropriate age that was safe to her and acceptable by societal standards of that time and culture. If you want to believe that Mary was 12 or 9 or too young to be impregnated, go ahead. Its not based on any knowledge though, its based on your despise for God.

      • Michelle Erb

        As I said before I was not commenting on the virgin birth story. I certainly do not think “god raped a young girl” not in the Mary story or the identical myths that preceded it.

        I was only referring to your comments that a girl who can become pregnant is automatically “of age.” Apparently the moderator must have found your comments disturbing as well.

        The original commenter was being tongue in cheek by using the term “date rape,” but was probably serious about how the story could be viewed as somewhat disturbing, if you were not raised being told it was a beautiful thing.

  • Michelle Erb

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  • ProLifeDynasty

    It’s truly sad how the pro-aborts seethe w/rage@the threat of saving unborn human beings. They are a reminder of the slavemasters that wanted to keep abusing their slaves because these cowards lied through their teeth and said the black slaves were not ‘persons,’ either. Abortion=modern day civil rights atrocity.

    • Bob

      What’s sad is folks like you who use the bible as a shield to commit torture, murder- including countless children. But those murders are acceptable eh?
      Your hate and lust for violence is amazing.

      • myintx

        It doesn’t take religion to know that killing an unborn child is wrong (www.secularprolife.org). For me, it took common sense – knowing that a child is a human being before it is born too and that, if not killed in the womb or miscarried, has a chance at a full and productive lifetime when it is born.
        There are 2 human beings involved in a pregnancy. we should care about the mother AND her unborn child. Both should have a right to life.

        • Bob

          myintx- well thought out response. Logical and not full of anger and hostility like ProLifeDynasty’s comments. Prolife is just to full of hate and has a deep love of violence. Scary. She/he would have been in ecstasy at the Salem which trials or the Spanish inquisition. Irrational and uneducated is a scary combination. Hopefully they will not harm anyone.

        • alexandra jonas

          Then answer this have you heard about , fistula, pre eclampsia, puerperal hemorrhage? those are only some of the conditions that could happen to a pregnant woman, besides do you have in your house 13 k to cope with an unexpected pregnancy? I had a planned child and still was a horrible experience and I almost die. I can not imagine make someone go through all that without her wanting it. Abortions have been around even when they were illegal the only difference is on that time the mother was also likely to die or have harmful sequels, besides if you cared about the mother you would not be pro-life, pro-choice we don’t advocate that all non wanted pregnancies end in abortion, what we want is that the woman the one that is going to face the consequences of her actions be the one who makes that choice and that if she chooses to abort can be done in a medical facility instead of using a butcher or a coat hanger. Because let me tell you if a woman does not want to be pregnant she wont stay pregnant no matter how logical or religious or anyone says.

          • myintx

            So, if a woman doesn’t want to be a mother, can she kill her born child? NOPE… even if someone told her she’d suffer severe mental anguish the rest of her life if she puts the child up for adoption? NOPE. She has to do the right thing and let her child live.
            If a woman’s life is TRULY endangered then she should be able to have an abortion to save her life. Otherwise, a woman and her unborn child should be encouraged to COEXIST so that both have a chance at life. If a woman works closely with an adoption agency, in many cases they will pay the cost of the birth and other expenses. There are other places that can help pregnant women too. With proper prenatal care a mother an her unborn child can have a healthy pregnancy. If the woman doesn’t want her child when it is born, she can put it up for adoption.
            Occasionally women do kill their born children. They go to jail and their lives are ruined! Should they be able to kill so THEY won’t go to jail and suffer in jail for the rest of their lives? NO! They shouldn’t be able to kill their unborn child either.

          • alexa

            You pretend to be so smart but still you are blind to what is really going on. You truly live in a bubble and thinks that anyone can access to “proper prenatal care” or that the adoption agencies are there to help, besides If abortion becomes illegal do you really think that it will stop? No it will not stop and just will become dangerous, I am a nurse and volunteered in very poor communities in Mexico where abortion is still illegal in most states, do you know who is in jail for abortions? POOR PEOPLE, rich girls they go on “holidays” and return as nothing happened.And the same was in the US when it was illegal. I know because my grandmother was also a nurse and knew what was going on. In the town I was working there was a woman who was in jail because her husband accused her of having an abortion,but the reality was that her husband punch her and then accused her so he could get rid of her and be with his girlfriend, so think and see and think of what are you really going to achieve, save the unborn? not so much.

          • myintx

            Rich people can get meth easier… should we make meth legal and have the govt give it to poor people because poor people can’t get it but rich people can?
            In the US there are plenty of places women can go to for help if they find themselves faced with an unexpected pregnancy. And, adoption agencies do help – otherwise they wouldn’t be in business. There are waiting lists of couples waiting to adopt a baby.
            Just because people may do something if it’s illegal, doesn’t mean we should keep it legal. A child is a human being. An unborn child is a human being too. Neither should be killed.

          • alexandra jonas

            We are not talking about born babies, Let me ask you something I had an abortion as a teen, did anything happened to you ? Did affected you in any way ? Did your world stop ? My guess is no it didn´t. But if I had not being able to do it IT WOULD HAVE affected ME. So why control something that has no effect in your life and in the other hand will affect the lives of other women, the answer is simple you don’t like abortions? DON’T HAVE ONE.

          • myintx

            If you had killed your mother, or your dog, it wouldn’t have affected me. Doesn’t make it right.
            “don’t like abortions, don’t have one”.
            “don’t like slavery, don’t own a slave” – yep, I’m sure that’s what slave owners said to others back in the days of slavery.

          • Shannon Funkhouser

            Great reply so tell me how do you deal with a mom and a sister that feel like murderers after their abortions? Do you figure it is their fault and problem deal with it? I believe what abortion clinics should offer is counseling afterwards to help you deal with what they know will happened tp your emotions and you psyche. You get cancer, diabetes and other illnesses you are counseled. Tell me why is helping someone after dealing with this a crime?

          • alexandra jonas

            That is psychological help and if women feel like that is because since they enter the clinic there are such “loving” people who calls them murders, sinners, sluts also not every women who has an abortion feels like that. I certainly dont. If you are going to have an abortion or to keep the pregnancy you must be certain that is YOUR choice and your choice alone. The people who now is saying Oh! should be illegal! Are also the ones who raise their voices against any program that could help like sex education, contraceptives, WIC, welfare, section 8, free lunches, free child care…They say are you kidding me we are not communist! seems they only care about you while you are a fetus, once you are out of the womb, you can rot it a ditch for all they care.

          • Shannon Funkhouser

            I have never been a fan of people who claim Christianity to carry horrific signs and shout out incredibly dumb things. They do this show of unity with pro-life and go home and can justify in their mind they have done their duty. I believe if someone had screamed at me when i wanted to abort my son or showed up with a sign my attitude would have been “screw you”. I think pro- life should offer helping hands whether or not a woman has abortion, no matter what anyone thinks they still need help. How difficult would it be to say “you know what you keep this baby and I will gather people to help you up and out of your situation. If they have gone through a abortion the same thing should be done. By chance I do care, I have a huge family and help kids in my little town avoid or get out of the ditch. It is not glamorous or fun but they need someone to believe in them and what a small price to pay all around for a good.

          • davids64

            That’s the righties for you: ALWAYS screaming about “freedom”. But what they mean is THEIR freedom to do the things that THEY consider important. As for the things that YOU want to do, but that they do NOT, well, not so much.

          • alexandra jonas

            You are right! for they want the freedom of shoving what they want down your throat.

      • ProLifeDynasty

        Nah, bobby, YOU are seriously pathetic to want moms to kill their unborn offspring&emotionally maul themselves by listening to your lies that abortion is a sane “choice.” That’s just heartless of you. For pete’s sake, educate yourself on the Bible and join your local church for help on how to go about doing so, because your butchering of it(no pun intended–gosnell)is sadly misleading you to lust for the death of unborn human beings and hate women.

        • Bob

          It is obvious that having any type of intelligent discussion with you is not possible. Your hate and lack of education has blinded you. Please go and LEARN the Bible and what the Lord Actually teaches.

          • alexandra jonas

            Learn? never ask a pro birth to learn that will give them hives, women must have 10 kids and never leave the kitchen that is their lord way, also we should only care for fetuses once they are born screw them, no welfare, no wic, or head start, free lunches for kids ? you got to be kidding me no, no, no, we must be focused on fetus only to hell with everyone else.

          • Bob

            LOL! So True, I see she hasn’t got her husband to come and speak yet.

          • ProLifeDynasty

            Well, since you refuse to be intelligent, perhaps. However, if you quit your vile hatred&ignorance you wouldn’t be so blind. Hopefully, for your sake, you’ll learn something about the Christian faith.

          • Bob

            Since you are a conservative- why are you here speaking? Where is your husband? Let me speak with him.

      • Shannon Funkhouser

        Hi Bob,
        I do not think murder in any sense is okay or whatever. Though what I do expect from people is a sense of morals that have continually lacked since the Holocaust, Rwanda, Sudan, Chechnya, or just about any Middle East country that enjoys or believes cutting a child’s clitoris out is of God. I have faith that freedom and God will stop this genocide of tribes, Coptic, different faiths, different languages would easily be seen as a right to exist not a right to destroy. Because of God, i can see hope for humanity instead of all the ugliness that is going on everywhere.

        • Bob

          Shannon- well thought out answer. We can only hope.

    • davids64

      “seethe with rage”?!?!?

      Seriously, is there ANYBODY on this discussion page who is a “seething with rage” as much as YOU ARE?!?!?

      • Shannon Funkhouser

        Not Me

    • Jason Smith

      Speaking of civil rights atrocities, ProLifeDynasty, how do you feel about same-sex marriage?

      • Michelle Erb

        Can’t wait to hear this answer.

        • Jason Smith

          I’m just waiting for a bunch of nonsense about how it destroys society, ruins families, etc. etc.

  • alexandra jonas

    oh yes they love to wear the death around their neck, they should wear crosses like crucifixes that were used by the romans to torture and kill thousands … wait what?

    • Shannon Funkhouser

      Oh you mean the crucifixes that show Jesus taking on all our sins and being forsaken for our sakes? Is that the one? You wouldn’t get it because it represents a renawal of life not death like a coat hanger.

      • ProLifeDynasty

        Sadly, some of the pro-aborts have been so used&abused that they will never admit their failure. Only a miracle will save them.

      • davids64

        So you DO understand the concept of an image of one thing becoming symbolic of the opposite.

        That is what happened to the cross: An instrument of DEATH and TORTURE which today symbolizes the exact opposite!

        It’s called “symbolism”.

        Now that your brain is well edified, try to apply that concept to the coat-hanger crowd. Do you get it now?

        • Shannon Funkhouser

          Oh davids64 don’t get cranky. I do understand the symbolism. I know Christ went willingly to the cross, he had a choice. He chose to die and rise again. it is difficult for a baby/fetus after being sucked out through a tube, spinal chord cut, needle in your head and so on was not a choice that baby/fetus made because someone doesn’t know what a rubber looks like.

          • Jason Smith

            Ahh, Shannon, come on. I was so pleased with you for being consistent until you made the “doesn’t know what a rubber looks like” argument. Please, please, please, do not ever insinuate that the only reason for abortions is “sluttiness”. Birth control can fail, people can be raped, and sometimes abortion is medically necessary. Rick Santorum’s wife had a medically necessary abortion – and she almost died because she waited so long to have it! Yes, it’s true, there is the odd person who will use abortion as an alternative to actual contraception – but you know what it’s like to make the decision to have an abortion. It’s taxing and a scarring experience, even if you don’t go through with it. It’s not like people are out there saying, “oh, I don’t need to use a condom, I can always just get an abortion.” This is a method of last resort that people use when all else fails.

  • ProLifeDynasty

    LOVIN’ TEXAS&their PROLIFE VICTORY!!! THANK YOU, GOD!!!

    • Zoey0728

      Meanwhile they continue to execute people. Make sense to you?

      • ProLifeDynasty

        The pro-aborts won’t stop for a second making cash from killing unborn human beings. These pro-aborts are CREEPY&GREEDY.

  • Shannon Funkhouser

    I am unsure what is more unnerving here, Fighting verbal against pro abortionist and using language unacceptable to God in doing so. I will tell all pro-abortion enthusiast you have no idea about horrors committed in the name of “choice”. Twenty years or so ago I came close to aborting who is now my first son. It wasn’t about inconvenience, or unwanted it was all about coming home empty handed after losing two children in my ninth month. Burying my kids is something I will never get over or the choice I was willing to make so I didn’t have to lose another baby at 9 months. What I do not think pro abortion people understand is the lengths some abortion clinics will go to get the abortion. They told my husband and I they would take a vcr, game machine on hold until we paid off the abortion. We didn’t need that help but I am thinking what is behind all of this. To those who are pro-life stop spending your money on signs God would not approve of and do something no pro abortionist will do. Offer a hand up, help them pay bills, get a home, keep a home throw showers and so on. It s not our duty to judge and scream silliness, it is our job to do what Jesus would do!

    • davids64

      Perhaps you should re-think your assumption that there is such a thing as “language unacceptable to God”.

      Any truly omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient God surely has better things to do with his massive intellect than be concerned about a person’s choice of words!

      • Shannon Funkhouser

        Hi davids64,
        I am sure an all powerful God who counts the hairs on head is concerned with language since I highly doubt we crawled out from the sea to be the superior of all animals (creations). I am positive that Jesus willing went to the Cross for our sins, I am not so sure women fully understand the impact this will have on them for years later. The fact that a cross tells you a story of the ultimate of becoming sin for us. Remember the point here is willingly. I am quite sure women know what they are doing and can handle whatever comes after. What about the women that can’t is my question. The coat hangar symbolizes death to women and children, innocent children. Whats lacking in all this is the aftercare from abortions or the truth before abortions.

      • alexandra jonas

        TY if you read the funkyhouse reply is hilarious how they think their god even cares, and “counts hairs ” that is their logic he will kill his own son because 2000 years earlier some idiot eat some fruit then it was for our sins but then after that went silent for another 2000 years, about wars, silent about the atom bomb in hiroshima and nagasaki but if you take a pill or swear he will lose his marbles.

        • Shannon Funkhouser

          Hi Alexandria,
          I am glad I amuse you, my cause is to believe in what is best about people and not what I see going on everywhere. I admit this does seem far fetched but so does not believing in God to me. I am hardly silent about many things that go on. I am pro-life but to me that encompasses a a lot more than can be shirked off. I believe every creation has a right to exist, even that little delta smelt in Ca. that farmers want to do away with for water sucking farmers. I believe we are over fishing our oceans and killing off to many species by the hand of man to sit back on a righteous chair of God and claim dominion. Yes, what I believe may be far fetched but I can still remain open minded enough to see real things count, people, animals and this earth. So if believing in a God that allowed His Son to become human and Godly to die for our sins because of love, versus a gelatinous critter that crawled out of the ocean to hit the right time to grow every single time. I will go with the God thing.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Well said..

        • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

          God killed His Son? Man killed His Son…you haven’t a clue what you are talking about and your mentality is completely diseased. By the way God did not develop nor use the atomic bomb..man did..hello..

          • alexandra jonas

            Still doenst change the fact that it doesnt exist

    • Michelle Erb

      First my condolences on your two horrible losses, I cannot even fathom that kind of pain.

      Now as for your accusations against the abortion providers. How heartless you make them sound. You or your husband told them about two horrible tragedies and said you could not face having it happen again, so they offered to help you financially. (weird since so may pro-lifers claim these non-profit clinics are all about the Benjamins) Obviously they did not coerece you in any way other than offering financial help, since in fact you did made a different choice. They certainly did not force you to go there or pretend to be something they are not.

      Someone I know got pregnant sooner than expected and did not have maternity insurance. She contacted a “crisis pregnancy center” to find out how to get affordable prenatal care when she did not qualify for public assistance. She was told adoptive parents could take care of all expenses- not helpful when she wanted to keep her own child. Then she contacted planned parenthood who immediately got her in touch with a midwife plan through a local hospital. (Under Obamacare (a real prolife program) she never would have had to contact anyone because insurance is required to cover prenatal care.)

      You would probably agree that the accusation that planned parenthood pushes abortion to make money is ludicrous. However, one must wonder about some of those so called Crisis pregnancy centers pushing “Christian adoption.” Do a little research and you will find some shady people making a fortune off of those adoptions.

      Please do not forget that the very same people who support choice, are
      also the ones trying to get contraceptive access and prenatal care for all. Nor that they are constantly fighting conservative plans to cut food
      assistance for poor women and infants.

    • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

      Yes, and my sympathies..my cousin had an abortion @ 6months. They utilized salt which literally burned the infant, causing much pain, and nearly killed my cousin. She regrets that act to this day and will never recover from it emotionally, never..she carries that guilt every waking hour..

  • Margene Salzano

    Yea, I mean I believe that jewelry has always been a statement one way or another. As for me? I love wearing charms. I personally wear ones that represent my occupation, hobbies, and philosophy of life.

  • Michelle Erb

    How can you expect to change anyone’s mind if you refuse to even try to understand the other side? On the other hand if your real goal is to foment more divisiveness, then, going with “abortion enthusiasts” and misrepresenting the purpose of the necklaces was a brilliant move.

    • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

      Are you aware that Roe recanted her position and is pro life now, ADAMANTLY pro life?

      • Michelle Erb

        And one person’s opinion matters above anyone else’s because?

  • Homer Sansom

    I am not religious but here is my perspective on abortion. It is nothing but murder to abort an unborn child. And I am not as nice as the rest of the pro-life people on here. I’ll be damned if I agree to a process that allows a woman to be a damn slut who wants to do nothing but lay on her back while spreading eagle to anyone who wants some and then expect someone else to pay for the murder of a unborn human being. Now, with that said what is wrong with adoption? Why not give a loving couple the chance to raise a child that a woman may not want to take responsibility for. There are women having 2 or 3 abortions in a year. Several more throughout their lifetime. And pro-abortionist find this ok? What the hell is wrong with you people? And Oh by the way, I am not religious but I do believe and trust in God. I just don’t believe in ramming my love for God down other peoples mouths.

    • Hgyu

      Wow Homer, that’s quite a view of women you’ve got there. Well guess what? You don’t get to decide what we choose. Doesn’t matter if you think a woman should have to carry a pregnancy to term and then give up for adoption rather than abort. Not your choice dude. And btw, love the talk about hating murder from a guy who has a handgun as his avatar. You’re ridiculous.

      • Homer Sansom

        Uh no, that is not my view on most women. That is my view on women who do exactly what i said. lay on their backs for anybody who wants it and refuses to accept the responsibility that comes with that activity. Yep, it happens all the time unfortunately. Political correctness on a topic like legalized murder does not exist in my opinion. But you know, I am just one person. So unfortunately until D.C. and the Supreme Court gets it right women, a very small number of women will continue murdering their unborn children. And as for the avatar, I am pro gun and pro self defense. Not a murderer. Learn the difference. You know I have never killed anyone. I guess my guns are defective.

        • Hgyu

          Homer if you think that describes all or even most women seeking an abortion then yes, you have a bad and erroneous view of women. Good luck with that.

          Not your choice to make dude

          • Homer Sansom

            I do believe i am right. Why in the hell are you having sex if you aren’t ready to take the responsibility that comes with it. Flat out murder, Period. And you are right. It is not my choice. But me and my wife together made the choice to give my daughter a chance at life and never regretted it for a millisecond. And my view of all women is not bad like you think. Just the ones who murder their children.

          • Hgyu

            Not your choice what women do, especially those you aren’t married to. And good thing, that.

          • Homer Sansom

            “Not your choice” is all you can say. You know, unfortunately tax payer money funds some abortions. To me that is elective surgery and should not be funded by any tax payer who doesn’t believe in it.

          • alexandra jonas

            No taxes are used on abortion that is a lie that was repeated enough so morons believe it. ok so If I don’t have any children can I opt out of my taxes been used for schools? or if I’m not religious can I refuse my taxes should go to the fire department that saved the church from burning in my town last month? what about if I don’t want basketball courts just because I don’t play basketball. Naw you don’t really care the only thing you want is shove your beliefs in everyone else.

          • Homer Sansom

            Got my opinion just like you have yours. The differences is with the fire fighters and basketball courts and schools is none of those take lives. They actually can save lives. Unlike abortions. And yes, Planned Parenthood accepts taxpayer funds therefore tax payers do fund abortions whether we like it or not.

          • Michelle Erb

            Whether tax payer money funds abortion is not a matter of opinion but fact. It is illegal to use government funds for abortion under the Hyde amendment. Republicans even tried to trump up charges against planned parenthood alleging that some of the funding they get for life saving healthcare went to abortions. They failed, because the funds are kept separate.

            I only wish it worked in other cases and my tax money had not been used to fund the Iraq war that was fought to enrich Cheney and his corporate buddies. Unfortunately that blood is on all of our hands. I also wish my tax money had not been used to execute people who have since been proven innocent.

          • Homer Sansom

            Oh yeah, I was also a corrections sergeant and unless you work in a prison you should not make any statement against the death penalty. Everybody who was proven guilty for taking a life should not be able to live themselves. Not only did they terrorize people while they were not incarcerated, but they terrorize people while incarcerated. You are right, our justice system is not perfect. The laws on the death penalty need to be overhauled. But, once some one is found guilty with DNA evidence and reputable witnesses and even video there she be no question that they should be executed for murdering someone in cold blood.

          • Eyal Lev

            let me take your view point, and show you how ridicules it sounds:

            I think guns should be banned. Did you know that criminals use guns?
            Some people buy them, and go around shooting people. That’s murder, do
            you want to be associated with murderers like that? If you support guns,
            you are no better then those criminal murderers.

            now back to your point. you are upset that some girls “have an abortion 2-3 times a year” mind if I ask you HOW MANY girls fit that catagory? are there more criminals using (and killing with) guns than girls having 2-3 abortions a year?

            as long as you are not against one, you can’t be against the other (unless if you’re a hypocrite).

            now I’m sure you’re against criminals using guns, and I can assure you, most pro choice people are disgusted at women that use abortion as a counterception.

            facts are, however, that this happens VERY RARLY.

            a large number of abortions are preg’ that resulted from rape. are you against that?

            some abortions are because the fetus will have birth defects if carried to term. are you against those?

            some abortions are done to save the mothers life (sure, nothing is 100% sure, and maybe the mother would survive without it, but who are we to make that choice for her?) are you against those ones?

            and some abortions are done because counter ception failed, and the woman is not ready to have a child in such a case (let’s say, for example, her husband died, and she won’t be able to take care of the child alone).

            and yes, SOME abortions are “because I just don’t want to have a baby now”. but should all the above be forced to find underground hack doc’ to get their abortion?

          • Homer Sansom

            Hey Eyal, If you ban guns then only criminals will have guns. They don’t follow laws. All you do by banning guns is keep innocent victims from defending themselves. And around 80% of law enforcement agree with me. The only problem is when someone does defend themselves with a handgun, you know like George Zimmerman did, they count it as a homicide even though it would be found to be justified. I would count that as a necessary use of force to rid the world of criminal trash. And to the abortion issue, that unborn child never hurt anyone to be murdered by a irresponsible person

          • Hgyu

            First off, no one is talking about banning guns. Second of all, other countries have stricter gun control and far less gun violence per capita. It works. We should learn from them.

          • Jason Smith

            I can’t stand this kind of rhetoric. If we ban guns, only criminals will have them – but if we ban abortions, somehow they’ll magically disappear! Can’t have that cake and eat it too. I love how you are so supportive of innocent, unborn life – but the minute that kid comes out the womb, no soup for you, right? If you’re really “pro-life” then you should be opposed to the death penalty and in favor of welfare programs that allow kids to have good lives instead of growing up in poverty and despair. But no, you’re only “pro-life” for the nine months a woman is carrying a baby. I suspect this is because you are a misogynist piece of trash who can’t understand any kind of perspective other than that of a straight white guy who’s never had to deal with any kind of hardship in his life.

          • Adam Wiederholt

            Jason, go suck on Lucifer’s co&K

          • Eyal Lev

            odd, I replied but the post is gone somehow.

            I’ll rewrite it.

            your point, that, “if you ban guns, only criminals will have guns” is (more or less) the point I’m trying to make about abortions. If you ban abortions, then the only way to have one, is to go to a criminal, because only there could you get one.

            the question of “allowing clinics to perform abortions, or criminalizing the process” is the same as “giving women that need to have an abortion a safe and clean place to have it done in, or forcing them to look for a back ally hack, that would ignore the law, and who knows what else, just to make a buck”.

            banning something has never really seemed to aid in preventing it.

            you want to reduce the number of aboretions? get people to understand and use counterceptions. so many places (in the US) are giving bad sex ed’. it’s akeen to giving people guns and as a safety course telling them (only) “don’t shoot people”.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Of course you believe that..protect an elitist populous hell bent on destroying the right to bear arms, legal arms not being the problem here..criminals generally acquire their guns on the black market, etc..not registered..criminals are savy enough to understand registered guns means they get caught..hello; but you want to punish law abiding Americans by removing a constitutional right. All this played to the backdrop of infanticide..amazing simply amazing..good little Obamite..good little controlled, mind locked sheeple.

          • Jason Smith

            So you don’t support taxpayer-funded termination of an unwanted pregnancy, but you have no problem using taxpayer funds to terminate unwanted adults? Wow, you are a massive prick!

          • Hgyu

            Planned Parenthood also prevents unintended pregnancies in the first place. And abirtions there are not funded by federal tax dollars.

          • Hgyu

            And FYI Homer, chances are the women and girls who find themselves unintentionally pregnant, have similar stories behind their pregnancies whether they choose abortion or not. So your talk of sluts and spreading their legs for anyone applies to all. You do your gender such a disservice, dude.

          • Jason Smith

            No kidding. This guy is a real piece of work! I can’t believe all of this stuff he’s saying about “close your legs”…I hope there’s a God, and I hope people get reincarnated. Specifically, I hope Homer Simpson here gets reincarnated as a poor woman who gets pregnant unintentionally.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            There is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, but not reincarnation..1 soul to 1 body..you really buy into 1 soul in multiple bodies is reasonable??

          • Jason Smith

            I was making a joke at Homer’s expense.

          • Adam Wiederholt

            Jason Smith, you love women rebelling in murder don’t you?

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Planned Parenthood is ONE of Obama’s federally co opted death tanks..wake up.

          • Adam Wiederholt

            Hgyu, how come you don’t abort yourself? You love murdering so much.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            You are mesmerized and under complete control..a virtual Obama zombie..good luck.

          • Hgyu

            Actually federal tax dollars do not fund abortion. It’s against the law. I don’t know about your state taxes, but I doubt they do.

            That aside, regarding your comment about tax dollars going to something you don’t believe in….I don’t believe in war, but unfortunately I still have to pay tax dollars that go to it. You don’t get to pick and choose which things your tax dollars go to. All you get to do is vote.

            And yes, not your choice is all I have to say in your case. Not your choice.

          • Adam Wiederholt

            Your effing choice was made by God. 10 commandments, C&NT

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            You are so flippant regarding termination of an infants life. Life begins at conception..I’m sure you repel that truth as well..

          • Adam Wiederholt
          • alexandra jonas

            Do you have 10 kids then? time to get your own reality show GET, GET!

          • Bob Roszko

            Yeah because most guys think about the consequences of having sex before they do it. It takes two to make a baby for the most part.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Nor yours ‘lady’, you think you OWN the creation of life because the perfection of God’s created temple, allows we blessed women to carry our own in the ‘protection’ of our wombs. You will see the error you’ve made eventually, hopefully before death and not after..I hope you’re not in any professional field that deals w/ an innocent populous..you’ll pull a Kevorkian for sure..

          • Adam Wiederholt

            It takes 2 to create life. It’s not JUST and ONLY your decision, Hgyu, you only WANT it to be ONLY your decision and you withhold that information from the father to be, of course cause he has every right to take you to court and force you to not have an abortion, remember those court cases? I bet you never knew they existed. Father has MORE rights to protect the unborn life, than the Mother does to KILL the unborn life.

        • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

          Homer pay no attention to hgyu, she’s obviously in need of venting her feelings regarding infanticide…probably so she can continue to reamain cold and unaffected by the termination of a life dependent on it’s MOTHER..once the protector of life, and now the new age annihilator of life..

          • Homer Sansom

            Just feeding the idiot Obama trolls Angela. They don’t understand that killing a unborn child is murder. And one of the idiots actually put executing a convicted murderer and the murder of a innocent unborn child on the same level. One has murdered and needs to be exterminated and the other has never harmed anybody and should have the opportunity to live.

          • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

            Obama, a flaming queen who’s convinced the nation that he loves his family, America, its people and God..and these easily manipulated zombies have fallen for it. If they saw Obama in a red suit w/ a tail and horns, they’d say he’s wearing angel wings. He’s got them all lock, stock & barrel. Soon however he will drop the mask..and all you little sheeple puppets, remember this convo when he does. By the way, the entire political schema is corrupt. There is only 1 party..and that is elitism & the NWO. I understand your position on the death penalty as opposed to abortion, they are polar opposites. Personally however, I am not party to either one. I cannot exterminate life…but at times I know it is well deserved..re: the Night Stalker, etc..I just personally cannot take part in it on a federal level. In protection of my life or anothers vs someone taking my life or anothers..I would have no problem defending that life…even to the death.

        • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

          I agree, and pro-abortion ladies, it is the utmost hypocrisy & irony to whine about our right to bear arms..using the argument guns kill (they don’t people do), while clinging to the “it’s MY choice” rhetoric concerning MURDERING YOUR OWN flesh and blood..moronic self involved egotistical aholes…good job ladies following the social instructions of humanity hating radical liberalism. I am so disgusted w/ this argument you all pose..you just mimic what you’ve been sold by a perverse elitist cabal..right down to your own thinking and actions..where the hell has the creative mind gone?? Nice little puppets you are..all ripe for transhumanism and social engineering.

      • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

        Really unfortunate that women like you can so callously make statements like “MY own body”, MY life”, MY choice” blah blah blah..this position literally reeks of narcissism..how can any WOMAN, MOTHER take such a position regarding the innocence of your own child? This literally makes me ill..good luck explaining it to your Creator..we ALL have the same One..

    • Jason Smith

      Hey Homer (heh heh), where are these women having 2 or 3 abortions per year? How many of them is this happening to? Maybe we should pass a law requiring men to marry the women they get pregnant. If a woman shouldn’t be allowed to terminated a pregnancy, then neither should a man.

      • Adam Wiederholt

        Men and women aren’t allowed to terminate pregnancies. Only the corrupt death-culture misleads people to think they are allowed to, by calling it “pro-choice” to be “pro-death”.

  • Holly Young

    I love how they equate abortions with women’s health care. If you show a little common sense and restraint you could prevent becoming pregnant in the first place. Abortion is murder – plain and simple!

    • Hgyu

      Pretty much the same as they claim vasectomies with health care. Actually more so, because sometimes a pregnancy has an adverse effect on a woman’s health.

    • Bob Roszko

      Wow so simple! Just control all your urges and you’ll be fine. You faux Christians are the perfect case for abortion.

      • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

        Ugh, well aren’t you just a little light in the darkness..do you even have a pulse??

    • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

      I agree, it’s appaling, as if pregnancy is a malady, disease, an unfortunate ‘condition’ to be treated w/ abortion..extermination..why don’t we just call America Fatherland, EXTERMINATE EVERY BEING we choose..funny it’s called pro-choice..that’s a tecnique to make it less offensive, more palatable..when actually it should be called what it is..pro-death. What’s even more overwhelming is the number of good intentioned women who fall for this PC bull%%it.

      • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

        So true Holly..the term pro choice was coined by the innovators & champions of abortion..to make it ez to swallow..it’s pro death, period, no matter how they try to twist it. Women have fallen victim to social engineering and mind control..repetitive “it’s your body”, u have the right 2 choose”,etc. etc..the brain reacts to constant repetition w/ even a lie by accepting it as a truth. They are puppets to aid in the abortion death march..embracing the duality in message by accepting the lie that a ‘war on women’ is not having a right to abortion. The REAL war on women, war on humanity is convincing the populous infants have no right to live..It is the utmost in deception regarding the human condition.

  • Eyal Lev

    you don’t get it, a woman that wants an abortion will get one. be it with a coat hanger, or a doc’. personally, I’d rather it would be with a doc’. but if people like you have their way, it would be with a coat hanger.

    I vote for giving women the choice of a safe abortion; that way, there’s a much higher chance she’ll have a baby next time, when she wants one.

  • Jason Smith

    “If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. If abortions are outlawed, they’ll magically disappear!” -Bristol Palin logic

  • Mylahn Jace Lee

    I’m 100% pro choice. But this is just vulgar. They could have thought of a better symbol than a coat hanger! It’s almost like they are condoning basement abortions. Unbelievable.

    • Michelle Erb

      Mylahn, think for a minute. Are coat hangers involved in safe legal abortions? Could it be that they are saying we should never have to go back to basement abortions?

      • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

        Hey Michelle you can spend every waking hour defending this crass symbol, but you won’t succeed. It’s disgusting. It degrades the humanity & divinity of fetal life, that’s the part you seem to be disconnected from. Abortion in the latter stages is VIOLENT, painful to an innocent life depending on his/her MOTHER for love, safety, nurturing…it’s a disgrace that these dependent helpless lives are regarded as a malady or inconvenience to be terminated. The real war on women is abortion..for mothers to engage in the select destruction of their own children is unfathomable to me. I once was pro choice, before I knew the development of fetal life per month to month..and the absolute dismissal by moms regarding their own. Horrifying, simply horrifying..and it’s a PC NWO strategy to annihilate most of humanity, and turn love into the opposite. Have we as a human race become so distanced so unaffected by the most vital component of human life..pro creation and the protection of our children, that we just ignore the pain our own child is feeling during the cold, uncaring termination of a pure life force? By the way, infants that survive botched abortion are left alone w/o care until they expire: that’s DIE on their own w/o even a human hand to ease their passing. Wake up ladies, release yourself from this inhuman, inhumane bondage….

    • Adam Wiederholt

      What about child’s choice? Effin “pro” choicers are FOOLS!

  • Moira Gleason

    This is SO F√CKING NASTY whoever wears this should go RIGHT TO HELL and that’s being Nice about but I don’t know why I would care about being Nice to ANY OF YOU PIGS!!!!!!!!

    • Michelle Erb

      Were I searching for “pigs” on this page, I do not think I would start with the people who do not want to see women go back to the days of back alley abortions. At least they show empathy.

      • http://Disquis.com/ Angela

        Oh yes..a coat hanger necklace is the height of an empathetic ideology..give it a rest Michelle.

  • Kristy Patullo

    Absolutely morbid. Read comments on Twitter where even some “pro-choice” women
    were disgusted. Beyond the pale.

  • GoFig

    P.S. Last time I checked…. I’ve never heard of anyone being an abortion “enthusiast”. Abortion is a difficult decision for anyone who needs to make it. That choice is called freedom. You have the freedom to choose to not have an abortion, why should you have the right to decide for others and take away their freedom of choice. Would you advocate the government telling you that you have to have an abortion? No? Then keep the decision out of the government. And if you think you are the voice for the unborn, it’s laughable. It’s a fetus until it becomes viable. This was decided in the highest court of law decades ago. Try a new argument.

  • Corinna

    this is disgusting!! just pathetic. back in the day when abortions werent done in hospitals.. it was horrific and terribly dangerous. if your going to supports something dont be trashy about it. but I guess you cant be classy about things that are truly trashy and horrific! just a shame and disgrace to yourself to even put something around your neck like that..

  • edgineer

    Apparently abortion is the only cure for getting your brains screwed out.


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